Elden Ring

>Boss literally unbeatable with certain weapons or builds unless you respec your character
Less bosses like this, you fucking hacks.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > Game is harder if your build is dogshit
    Woah

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >you have to cheese your way and exclusively use the same build in your action RPG
      Fuck you

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >forced to autistically minmax from the beginning of the game
      terrible game

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The game is beatable at level 1

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >forced to memorize every frame in the boss attack patterns
          terrible game

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't want to min/max
            >ok, the game will be harder then
            >NOOOOOOOOO IT SHOULD BE EQUALLY AS EASY WITH EVERY BUILD AND EVERY WEAPON!!!! WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE GOLDEN HALBERD DOES MORE DAMAGE THAN MY FISTS??????

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How to tell someone was raised with no strong father figure.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >you have to cheese your way and exclusively use the same build in your action RPG
        Fuck you

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >bloodcrutch step
          into the trash it goes.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How is the guy doing that DaS2 teleport?

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Optional boss
    Who cares? Optional challenges requiring super specific strats isn't anything new. Melania has way deeper issues than not being viable for specific builds.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Optional challenges requiring super specific strats isn't anything new
      yes it is

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No it's fucking well not. Cheesing bosses using specific strategies, builds, etc and being almost unable to beat them otherwise goes back to arcade games.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it doesnt even require super specific strats.

      Just use high vigor/damage reduction and panic roll the first part then roll the last 2 parts which are easy.
      Use a shield
      use bloodhound step
      use fast roll
      use endure
      use frost pot
      run and jump the first part

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Final boss is actually totally immune to Faith
      Which is kino and has sense lore wise

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Except it is not? Pest Threads is like the easiest way to kill it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's almost like Pest doesn't do Faith damage, wow!

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is nothing wrong with content filtering out bad builds

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's been like that since Dark Souls 3. In Dark Souls almost all weapons could get you through the game (unless you used the dagger or some shit) but after that, it's clear the games were built for generic STR characters with a sword, shield and faggy spells.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I help on PC, just with esg password, let me know when

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >dont use summons for fight its free healing for her!!!
    >summon anyways dont give a shit
    >stun lock her with my best bud
    Easy fight don't know why you all cry about it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >stun lock her with my best bud
      Did you suck each other's cocks afterward?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        no the mimic tear sucked mines, and its still called masturbation

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >stun lock her
      This. Malenia has literal 0 poise and staggers from even dagger attacks.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Literally using a Dagger now, and 2 handed heavy attacks do not stagger her. STRfags are a hard counter to her (and 99% of the game), so people assume it's the same for all weapons.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Using daggers
          Absolute mad lad. I tried my best with poison mist + moth and slashing things but the complete lack of poise breaking with daggers just makes them feel like absolute shit.

          The game is definitely biased towards poise damage.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        takes 2-3 dagger attacks to stagger her btw.

        she did waterfowl 5 times vs me and the phantom attack once. Still beat her, I wish i was recording because i never learned how to roll waterfowl perfectly so it wasnt some mechanical perfect attempt it was messy and fun.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        She has low poise but like half of her moves have hyper armor, including her sidestep for some fucking reason

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yup, why even make a boss with low poise if you're going to give them hyper armor for everything

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >literally unbeatable
    You just suck ass. There have been countless people now who have done rl1 against her and others have used some of the worst weapons in the game. You just have shit reaction time or are so fucking stupid you can't read a basic combo and remember to dodge.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah uhh sure but malenia is an absolute bullshit boss and she cheats not only the game but herself. This is just a failure on From's part to create a challenging experience without having it break the rules of the game to such an insulting degree
      it's Armored Core-level cheating on the AI's part

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I really hope we're going to continue seeing quality seethe when Wo Long releases

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          literally no one cares

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Nioh team
          You bet it will, they fucking love their instakill suckerpunch grabs. Hell, even Elden Ring has those now.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you can fistfight her ez but you wouldn't know since you are redditor who hates playing videogames

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Boss literally unbeatable with certain weapons or builds unless you respec your character
    Low IQ issue

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >equip mohgwyn sacred spear
    >summon mimic tear
    >me and mimic L2 spam her into oblivion
    Fun times. Fuck that cunt.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I did the same thing, NIHIL personell kid

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Impeccable.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >your brother
        OUR brother

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I just finished slogging my way through DS3 for the first time when Elden Ring came out, I was not in the mood for another hard game so I over-leveled and cheesed as much as possible. No regrets, I had a lot of fun even if I didn't really beat the game

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I was not in the mood for another hard game
        which was the hard game you played?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >another hard game
        ?????

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This but with Blasphemous Blade and Taker's Flame
      I don't care what anyone says, it's fun being overpowered and wrecking shit in single player games

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Same but with Chilling mist + Great sword stunlocking her to death.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I killed her with a slow-ass Sacred Zwei. It sucked ass but it was certainly do-able. Hyperbole does not help your case OP.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >block 100% of her damage
    >she still heals from the hit
    Retarded

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >respec for a boss that can demonstrably be beaten at rl1
    ???

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    anons trying to beat her with magic when hes 0 in intelligence and faith

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    learn to dodge her waterfowl dance and the fight becomes trivial

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The problem stems from the fact you can end up in situations where she is directly on top of you and you really aren't going to be able to avoid it. The boss really is fucking cancer for anyone not abusing strength or bleed.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >she is directly on top of you
        That's just you being greedy.
        Control the pace of the fight

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Play melee
          >Never stand next to her
          K.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            See I'm trying to be reasonable then you say some dumbass shit.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The fight is just ass, Anon. Why it's so hard for people to admit this is astounding.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                shills can't admit the game has extremely poor design decisions so they literally spam threads on cooldown with autistic gaslighting

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nah its fun

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because it isn't. The game has some extremely ass fights like Godskin Duo or Duo Gargoyles but Malenia isn't one of them.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I beat Duo Gargoyles in 6 attempts. Been at Melania for about 6 hours now, and only managed to get to 2nd phase about 4 times. The fight it ass.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                post your build

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Starting to wonder if Melania has some jacked out Magic resistance, because unless I proc Frostbite on her, my damage seems to be pretty poor.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                she's got 30,000 health

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                are you almost exclusively using melee or did you fall for the glintstone pebble is the best spell meme or something?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Almost exclusively melee. Honestly only carry the staff Unseen Form, Starlight, Loretta Bow sometimes, and Freezing Mist on occasion bepending on what Ashes of War or Infusion I'm using for the Wakizachi offhand (Magic + Glintblade Phalanx or Chilling Mist + Cold).

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >lvl 172
                >magic user
                >6 hours at malenia only got to phase two 4 times

                what the fuck gear are you using?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                MH: Moonveil +10
                OH: Magic/Cold Wakizashi +25 (Powerstanced)
                Carian Regal Scepter +10
                Ronin Armor Set

                Talismens:
                - Millicent's Prosthesis
                - Green Turtle Shell
                - Dragoncrest Greatshield Talismen
                - Carian Filigreed Crest

                Gone this far playing mostly blind and zero summons, but this boss is starting to make me pull the trigger.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I assume you're using moonveil, since you're dex/int. Try spacing her attacks instead of just rolling through everything, use the time after she misses to hit her with your weapon art. For waterfowl either be distant when she gets at the treshold and run away or use a shield (an unupgraded brass shield is more than enough) in your offhand that you can swap to when you need it. Projectiles spells are kinda shit because she can just dodge them if she's not in an animation, I'd only use the katana if I were you, and maybe hit her with Ranni's full moon after she uses scarlet aeonia. Good luck.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if hes using moonveil he can prob just interrupt her attacks. the only attacks you cant interupt are the slow telegraphed ones you can side step away from. Then he has to deal with waterfowl. he fell for the dual wield low vig meme but if he had a shield it would be easy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Even 2-handing, Moonveil doesn't stagger unless I get 3 hits in, or do the R2 unsheath and manage to nail her with both sword and beam. The issue is that the window is so short, that to physically sheath the sword and unload it is actually slow as fuck, and Melania is sometimes able to recover + re-attack before it can even be pulled off.

                Her 3hit Combo that she follows up with an additional hit seems safe, but she sometimes follows it up again with a jump attack, so it's safer to get quick r1 hits in. Problem comes when she immediately recoup and starts spamming the 3hit combo again that I get tripped up and lose 90% of my healthbar.

                Duck Dynasty Dance, or whatever people call it, I can manage to avoid instantly dying 50% of the time (assuming I have full life), but this is all just stage 1, and I maybe get a poise break 3 or 4 times during this entire sequence.

                The odd thing is that I have a 2nd character I started for fun using greatswords, and I feel him at lvl20 staggers even better than my lvl172 Samurai.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                hit her with the swords and the beam then.
                >Moonveil doesn't stagger unless I get 3 hits in,
                i find that hard to believe

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Moonveil doesn't stagger unless I get 3 hits in
                This is wrong, you're hitting hyperarmour. The issue of course is it's extremely unclear when she'll be armoured and she can begin hyperarmoured attacks immediately out of hitstun. She can also hyperarmour dodge out of hitstun and immediately do this sequence which has an instant followup slash which can not be dodged if she was close to you when she began the first swing. Issues like this are what make the fight fucking obnoxious to approach 'normally' and push you into AI manipulation or lame fishing for specific attacks to punish instead of just squaring up and responding to what she does.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that move can be interrupted btw, wait until she finished the side step float thing and you can interupt her before the attack comes out.

                >slash which can not be dodged if she was close to you when she began the first swing
                Incorrect.
                Every attack has Anticipation, Attack, and Recovery frames.
                You cut short recovery frames by either attacking or using your "escape mechanic" (rolling). When you hit a boss that is your attack frames, then shortly after your recovery frames start, similarly after getting hit, you or the enemy you hit have a stagger animation and half (or thereabouts) is recovery animation, that has recovery frames. Malenia plays by these rules and her recovery frames can also be cut short by her escape mechanics, which are the side step, the kick, the parry, and waterfowl (lol).
                Your recovery frames on your attack start up around the same time her recovery frames start up from being hit, and she will cancel her recovery frames at about the same time, or slightly after your recovery frames start.

                tldr: it is mathematically impossible (by design, thanks miyizaki) for her to "dodge out of hitstun" and attack in a way that is impossible for you to dodge. The reason that you feel you cant do anything is because you start up an attack animation after she starts her escape mechanic.
                verification not required

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >. Then he has to deal with waterfowl.
                Its easy with moonveil
                When you've done enough damage on her back away and spam the long range attack which should force her to use the waterfowl.
                Then get far enough to dodge the first part, then roll in to the 2nd part and stand still and walk backwards on the last.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You have too many points in damage and not enough in vigor if your are relying on melee. You should get your vigor to at least 50 or start relying on ranged spells more so you don’t have to dodge as much. Try night comet, it’s very strong against Malenia since she can’t dodge it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                not that anon, but waterfowl breaks my guard while using a med shield (granted, less guard boost than brass, which i assume is the stat that cover stamina usage in this case). this fight is annoying as fuck.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I assume you mean the whole thing, because I'm talking about the first flurry. For me this build was enough to guard the first flurry with a brass shield assuming I was at almost full stamina, and then I just dodged the other two.
                Also I'm not 100% sure but I think you can guard the whole thing if you use Barricade Shield, although it's not really worth to do so since she heals from it and you could have just dodged after the first flurry.
                >Her 3hit Combo that she follows up with an additional hit seems safe, but she sometimes follows it up again with a jump attack,
                The end of that combo is a combo branching point, meaning she will do the 3+1 attack and then, depending on your position relative to hers, she will do a follow up combo (or nothing at all if you're too far). She will always do the follow up double jump attack if you're facing her after her fourth slash.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                meant to quote

                Even 2-handing, Moonveil doesn't stagger unless I get 3 hits in, or do the R2 unsheath and manage to nail her with both sword and beam. The issue is that the window is so short, that to physically sheath the sword and unload it is actually slow as fuck, and Melania is sometimes able to recover + re-attack before it can even be pulled off.

                Her 3hit Combo that she follows up with an additional hit seems safe, but she sometimes follows it up again with a jump attack, so it's safer to get quick r1 hits in. Problem comes when she immediately recoup and starts spamming the 3hit combo again that I get tripped up and lose 90% of my healthbar.

                Duck Dynasty Dance, or whatever people call it, I can manage to avoid instantly dying 50% of the time (assuming I have full life), but this is all just stage 1, and I maybe get a poise break 3 or 4 times during this entire sequence.

                The odd thing is that I have a 2nd character I started for fun using greatswords, and I feel him at lvl20 staggers even better than my lvl172 Samurai.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >guard the first flurry with a brass shield assuming I was at full stamina
                yeah, at full it's fine, but i'll probably ditch the shield anyway. i'll get her eventually, but holy fuck am i annoyed by this bossfight. there's something about her moveset, that just fucks with my consistency.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you have trouble managing your stamina for the shield I'd suggest putting barricade shield on it, it makes guarding consume almost no stamina while it is active.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nah, i pretty much figured out when she does it, so i run beforehand. i don't really want to go out of my way and build or respec specifically for her as i'm using uchi and it should be more than enough. still have issues with dodging the 3rd flurry as the locked on camera goes apeshit but i'll get there eventually.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Malenia allegedly has 20% magic resistance.

                Even 2-handing, Moonveil doesn't stagger unless I get 3 hits in, or do the R2 unsheath and manage to nail her with both sword and beam. The issue is that the window is so short, that to physically sheath the sword and unload it is actually slow as fuck, and Melania is sometimes able to recover + re-attack before it can even be pulled off.

                Her 3hit Combo that she follows up with an additional hit seems safe, but she sometimes follows it up again with a jump attack, so it's safer to get quick r1 hits in. Problem comes when she immediately recoup and starts spamming the 3hit combo again that I get tripped up and lose 90% of my healthbar.

                Duck Dynasty Dance, or whatever people call it, I can manage to avoid instantly dying 50% of the time (assuming I have full life), but this is all just stage 1, and I maybe get a poise break 3 or 4 times during this entire sequence.

                The odd thing is that I have a 2nd character I started for fun using greatswords, and I feel him at lvl20 staggers even better than my lvl172 Samurai.

                Don't rely on staggering her to stop her attacks unless you are an absolute stagger monster and have backup. I was summoned to join a group like that and we chain staggered her and beat her easily.

                Use one of the night spells to damage her that she won't dodge. Get used to dodging her attacks. With time you can learn a lot of her nastiest moves. With a certain spacing she will be vulnerable to your attacks while her attacks all very visible and easier to avoid.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Malenia allegedly has 20% magic resistance
                Definately would not be suprised. All my attacks felt gimped as hell even despite her having a trillion fucking HP. Phase 1 just dragged on, so knowing I'm getting my damaged nerfed out of the gate probably explains why I'm struggling.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                She starts doing her waterfowl dance at about 3/4 health I think, then has a 2 minute cooldown. The next cooldown is half that and after that I think the AI can do it whenever. If you're having trouble with that move then you should remember that timer because you're relatively safe during those cooldowns. This is meant to be a disincentive to overly cautious play, which is why builds that can easily break her poise have a relatively easy time.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not. I've played this series from the beginning many times and this is not a bad boss just because she annoys you

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It’s fucking legendary. Tf planet are you even on? You’re the definition of a shitter.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes that's happened to me multiple times against her. If you can't predict her then hit her and run away to reestablish distance when her health gets low enough that she'll use that attack. If she goes uses waterfowl you can keep running and then dodge when appropriate.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          See I'm trying to be reasonable then you say some dumbass shit.

          He's right and you're fucking retarded. If you're playing melee then she's inevitably going to pop waterfowl starting while you're in recovery frames and while she's on top of you. That said, you can just block the attack with a halfway decent shield or even some weapons.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >play melee
            >attack once or twice then space yourself
            >roll forward into waterfowl
            >rinse and repeat
            I bet he just smashed the attack button without any fucking plan

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    she's elden rings nineball and that red guy has always required some cheese to beat

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >easily staggerable
    >so we gave her a hyper armor input read attack
    >easily stunlocked
    >so we made her heal on hit
    great, I love DPS checks

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      its more of a "how well do you know game mechanics" check. I binge watch people play vs her and its funny how many die to the forward swipe on attempt #50 still because they avent though of rolling out of the way and they keep rolling backwards. Or they have 35 vigor and a soreseal and no shield or any defensive ashes of war and they get obliterated by waterfowl everytime it catches them and thye are like
      >NOOO THE BOSS SHOULDNT DO ENOUGH TO PUNISH MY GLASS CANON BUILD WITH NO DEFENSIVE OPTIONS OTHER THAN muh iframes NOOOO

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nope. They made an easily staggered boss, like Friede from DS3 (hell it's probably a reskin of her) but they gave her hyper armor for a lot of her attacks and made her heal on hit. It's a DPS check boss

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the whole point in giving her healing on hit is so that its harder to just trade with her and you have to learn the mechanics instead of relying on out sustaining her with healing.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the point of giving her heal on hit was so that you can't summon for her with most summons and breeze through the fight by stunlocking her (which is really easy). But one swipe and she's full hp with normal summons

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Dex weapons don't stagger
      >Still have to deal with all the bullshit
      Great fight

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    me after I beat her, cheese to the max but I managed it solo

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I simply had black knife tiche kill Malenia, mohg, Maliketh, Godfrey, radogan, and the elden beast for me.

    Thank you black knife tiche!

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >All these people with 50+ Vigor
    Why the fuck does this game even have stats if more than half of them are going to go into just buffing health?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe miyazaki should have tought of that before making everything hit like a truck

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      two things

      #1 the stat system is definitely not perfect. Damage difference relative to early game and late game should be less severe and vigor should give less health to compensate. Or somthing.

      #2 a viable strat is to get more endurance than health and then use shields.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Have Health tied to each stat at various increments, so that adding STR or END will wield more HP per level up vs INT or ARC
        >Have diminishing returns like everything else in the game
        >Free up an entire fucking stat so people can instead invest in shit they actually want
        Literally every other game does something skin to this. Why does FromSoft insist on people manually upping HP? And why is the health bar do fucking long on the screen? 40/40/40 should provide the same sized bars between VIG/MIN/END.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I dunno.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because the game is an HP bar check, it's about how much HP you're restoring with your flasks, if you're not filling your healthbar with one flask every time you're wasting health which is important in the late gimmick fights where you either don't get hit or you lose almost all your health in one shot.

      So every time you get hit you chug an estus, which turns on the boss "bullshit" mode and they start beyblading across the arena to try and tax another flask from you

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can't survive the endgame with low vigor unless you're a super player who spent time learning all the patterns and parry opportunities. Hits from endgame bosses will always deal 1/3 of your health bar, possibly more depending on the specific attack. The vigor isn't there to make your character tanky necessarily. It's more of a stat requirement to be allowed to take a hit from Elden Ring's super bosses without immediately dying. You could actually see builds with lower vigor in older games, but Elden Ring made it a required stat for most normal players to beat the game.

      The final bosses do such a large, comical, and atrocious amount of damage that if you have less than 50 Vigor when fighting the late game bosses and you're not a fucking god at video games, you're going to die very, very fast.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Failing to softcap vigor (or at least get close to it) was always incorrect on every build in every Souls game except meme hypermode builds. You could do it if you wanted to make the game harder, but that was the only reason to. ER is no different in this regard.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          DS2 gives Vigor for every level you increase, regardless of stat. So there's not much of a reason to level Vigor there unless you specifically want more health.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They made a game where you don't have to waste time pumping up arbitrary numbers. Ganker usually seethes and calls it a rhythm game.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean fromsoft are pretty incompetent devs and weebshit does not appeal to me in the slightest, parrying is also cancer and the entire game is basically a parrying minigame

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The game constantly ups your numbers. It's just shallow about it

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Unless you're "playing" a visual novel or a puzzle game, every video game becomes a rhythm game when you take away stats and gear.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >more than half of them
      I was level ~210 when I finished the game.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because weapons have usually 3 damage stats, so they are balanced around meeting and slightly surpassing requirements

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I beat her with a shit build on my first playthrough

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >literally unbeatable with certain weapons or builds
    Git gud

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't it interesting how quality builds in Elden Ring are automatically nerfed by default because they need to raise both strength and dexterity to 80 instead of 40 like older games, which also potentially lowers the amount of points a player with this build would be putting into endurance and vigor? Isn't that kind of fucked up?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good. Now there's a reason to make a build other than quality.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      quality infusion requires high level to be worth it but there are a few somber weapons that benefit more from str/dex split even at low level. basically every weapon that has C scaling in one stat and D scaling in the other where both benefits the physical damage, it is better to split between str/dex a bit than to go all in on one stat.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ywn be cucked by Marika
    Grim...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She looks like she fucks herself

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      imagine marrying her and then watching her get gangbanged in her wedding dress...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >god queen of the entire planet
      >wearing high heels
      i hate this shitty coomerfied creature

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    She doesn't say that your DEX or INT is extraordinary for a reason

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I was expecting leg spaghetti

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well if you refuse to use all the tools the game gives you out of pride, that's your own fault

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >build
    It's a video game that lets you respec and change your gear at will. Malenia is dogshit but there's nothing conceptually wrong with fights being better or worse for certain setups - it actually makes the game more interesting when you have to consider changing your setup.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sure there is, if the game isn't fun in the first place there's very little the devs have on the table to demand respecing

      Especially in a dogshit fromsoft game that doesn't even explain respecing, let alone what spells do

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Retard post. If the game isn't fun don't play it. Elden Ring lets you respec.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    used the carian ret exploit to delete this weeaboo slut. katana users get the rope

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    does anyone else think that Elden Ring is waaay too fucking over the top and anime? it's weird to fight bosses like Malenia or Maliketh in a game about knights n shit.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love tree sentinel!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They don't call it Input Ring for nothing

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They don't call it Input Ring for nothing

      >NOOOOO THE ENEMY REACTS TO WHAT I'M DOING NOOOOO

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        retard-kun, you can see the whip attack and fire breath start up simultaneously every time after the second fireball.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that boss shoots fire when you are out of range of its melee. half of the fireballs started up even before the whip.
          >is the input reading in the room with us now?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >that boss shoots fire when you are out of range of its melee
            then it should never move and only ever shoot fire out of melee range. yet this isn't the case, retard-kun. the dragon sentinel in farum azula walks up to you. get that boot out of your mouth.
            >half of the fireballs started up even before the whip
            input during rolls have a very generous buffer. you'd know this if you played the game, retard-kun.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >then it should never move and only ever shoot fire
              ...
              >NOOOOOO IF THE BOSS DOES A THING WHEN X THEN IT SHOULD ALWAYS DO THAT THING!
              >NOOOOOOO THE BOSS CANT DO DIFFERENT ATTACKS DEPENDING ON THE SAME SITUATION!! NOOOOO
              jesus christ lmao

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Holy cope-spam
                it's called input reading

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The boss literally shoots fire when the player isnt even doing anything. You are a dumbass.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                input reading

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Use Golden Retaliation
      >Tree Sentinel dies

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not gonna defend this shit game but seriously moron just dodge, get closer and punish it's not hard, fire breath is slow as fuck

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        why design enemies that will endlessly chain attacks because of input reading

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What was your build? I beat the entire game swinging around a giant fucking hammer without magic, she was my litersly counter and I still beat her. Just use ashes you tryhard.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just like irl some builds are suboptimal. if your skill is lacking then drop the big boy toys and keep to the gear/role that you are actually competent with if you wish to have any fighting chance

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      shouldn't fromsoft actually balance their games so that most of the tools and playstyles are viable

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Most of the playstyles are viable, and most of the bosses are optional. It's balanced, you just suck.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          are you sure?
          Are you sure the game just isn't balanced

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Game offers weapons of all sorts, various complimentary talismans, myriad passive effects, weapons that cause bleed, poison and rot out the house, numerous armor for mobility or defensive options, and an onslaught of fucking Pokemon to either compound, compliment or make up for deficiencies in your build
            It's balanced. You're just retarded. Read the item descriptions and make a build that works. My guess is you grabbed some shit off YouTube and are now getting roadblocked because you smash the attack button with no respect for spacing.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >It's balanced.
              I don't think it is, not even in the slightest. I think the game is fundamentally broken

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I think the game is fundamentally broken
                the cope on release about this was pretty funny.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Which means people have had it right since release. The game is broken

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yep. frost bleed was crazy day 1 and it's crazy now. from are simply incapable of balancing bleed. it always ends up being ass or bonkers. nothing in between.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I think the game is fundamentally
                Kicking your ass, sure. Broken, no. The tools to overcome obstacles are wide and many. Use them.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                at what point does a "challenging featureless game" become a broken game mostly from incompetence using fake challenge as excuse for marketing?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >fake challenge
                The amount of whinging you've produced suggests the challenge is genuine. At what point do you simply admit you can't beat a boss that others have?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not even talking about bosses, the entire game is broken

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the entire game is broken
                The entire game is an intentional challenge to be overcome by use of the nearly limitless weapons, spells, talismans, outfits, etc. at your disposal. Which many have beaten using said aforementioned variety. At what point is it you, anon? Why is this difficult to grasp? The game runs. The content can be conquered. There are people who beat it with their friends, people who beat it by themselves, and a guy who became famous for beating Malenia while wearing nothing but a pot on his head. So where do you fit in?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That can easily be "the entire game is intentionally broken"

                So at what point would you realize a company was incompetent at game design if their entire marketing gimmick was "this shit is probably broken"?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That can easily be
                The sounds of your incessant whining complaining about a game that millions enjoyed---and beat. The only thing broken is you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >incompetent at game design
                lol yeah so incompetent that half the industry copies them and spent the better part of a decade calling their own games "the dark souls of [genre]"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >t. westoid dev

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Most tools and playstyles viable, they’re just not equally good.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          if there's things in the game that trivialize it while others can't even finish the game it isn't balanced

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The only things that will have notable difficulty finishing the game are whips and daggers because they just can't interact with the mechanics very well. You're not meant to use just one weapon type anyway, there are thirty classes and every damage stat has several options from big to small.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's a great point, having weapons like whips and daggers and bows imported from previous games and having them still be useless when you can one shot bosses at level 1 with the new additions is unforgivable

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                daggers are good they just take a while to get going AR wise.

                takes 2-3 dagger attacks to stagger her btw.

                she did waterfowl 5 times vs me and the phantom attack once. Still beat her, I wish i was recording because i never learned how to roll waterfowl perfectly so it wasnt some mechanical perfect attempt it was messy and fun.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >daggers are good
                only because of bleed, the actual weapons are shit

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >using MoonCheese
    >6 HOURS
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wasn't Moonveil infamous as a PvP weapon exclusively? Bleed weapons and STR poise breaks are unironically way more powerful than katana beams.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Wasn't Moonveil infamous as a PvP weapon exclusively?
        it was broken in PVE as well, its still pretty strong now too

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        katanas are best in slot weapons generally, it's actually pathetic considering how useless they were historically

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it's actually pathetic considering how useless they were historically
          b-but my nippon steel folded 1000 times!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not at all. Moonveil and Rivers are literally just the dipshit's overpowered. They take nothing to use and are powerful. The people intent on breaking the game use other shit entirely.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No? there's a reason why the pve meta is powerstanced katanas

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Meta for who? The casual player "Meta" is literally just what is most braindead and popular.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what?
                do you have an argument? you annoying gay

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My argument is that you have no idea what the meta actually is. Katanas were the "Meta" because people could get dual katanas quicker than most dual weapons and there were two good katanas in the game. People who actually built out their characters don't stick to dual katanas, dual katanas are as "Meta" as the fucking drake sword.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                oh yeah? and what changed?
                besides your goalposts

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Both katanas got nerfed and not to mention dual katanas were never meta to begin with, the game RELEASED with better weapons. Dual katanas continue to be the shitter's "I heard this was good" outdated guide reading casual meta.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >dual katanas were never meta
                >Katanas were the "Meta"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, the "Meta". In quotations because it wasn't a real meta, they were never the very best, they were "Meta" like every other "Community build" that gets widely used in day one guides.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the meta is the same since release, you want to proc bleed and frost and sometimes scarlet rot.

                You can do the same with any dual weapons.

                no you can't because katanas have inherent bleed, which makes them have much higher bleed output

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So do many weapons across many weapon classes. Curved swords, straight swords if I recall, daggers, rapiers, every fast weapon has a bleed variant on it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What does that have to do with anything?
                You know a curved sword is slower than a katana right?
                >straight sword
                half the range of a katana

                Oh right you're braindead and actually trying to argue meta

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're retarded and are exclusively talking about shit you don't know about if you think the curved sword is faster.
                >less range
                We're talking PvE, range doesn't matter.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you're so stupid it's disgusting
                please stop replying to me you subhuman

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Stop being a worthless player clinging to day one guides you irredeemable shitter. Go actually look up what people use to speedrun bosses.

                >Range doesn't matter in PvE
                This statement alone is so stupid that it's retroactively hurting whatever previous point you may have had.

                The distance between a curved sword swing and a katana swing isn't worth talking about.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >is retarded
                >can't cope
                >screeches schizo conspiracies that I'm somehow a time traveler
                fromsoft isn't sending their best

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, I cannot stress hard enough that you have no clue what you are saying. You are sitting here telling me how the zwei is meta in DS1 while never mentioning the BKH. You're a clueless guide reader.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                okay schizo

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are either completely unfamiliar with the game and played on release or never even played it and are just here to shitpost on Ganker about a meta that doesn't exist.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                take your meds shill

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The distance between a curved sword swing and a katana swing isn't worth talking about.
                When it comes down to hitting or missing an attack, it 1000% does. Remember that a weapons physical aesthetic length means fuckall; the hit box and attack/recovery speed does, and a weapons length tied directly into this metric.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And that is really important in a match where physically rubbing against the thing you are trying to hit is a problem, like PvP. In PvE, if you can hit with a katana, you can hit with a curved sword. No boss is going to be spaced out by a katana better than a curved sword. Your engaging jumping attack is identically effective.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Range doesn't matter in PvE
                This statement alone is so stupid that it's retroactively hurting whatever previous point you may have had.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                powerstanced katanas is actually a mediocre moveset imo. Dual spears, straight swords, heavy thrusting swords, and greatspears are much better.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the moveset doesn't matter, it's about applying bleed and frost damage at the same time

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can do that with dual cross nagainatas with a safer and faster moveset.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                requires NG+

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can do the same with any dual weapons.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The only move you need is Unseath anyway

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, on release moonveil could stance break most bosses from range with it’s weapon art in two hits, in addition to it’s high damage and innate bleed. They’ve nerfed the stance break potential since then, but it’s still a top tier weapon for both PvP and PvE.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Boss literally unbeatable with certain weapons or builds...
    read the clipboard.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here's what would have happened if Elden Ring didn't contain horseshit bosses. The Soulsmorons would have come out, having played all of their previous games, easily beat the game, then complained it had been made too easy to pander to casuals.

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >2hand my big sword
    >summon my bro who also has his 2hand big sword
    >take turns slapping the shit out of her
    >infinite staggers
    >win
    I think some of you just suck.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is why the game needs boss room invasions for everything (other than the bugged ones that still work).

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >invader invades me and my mimic
        Wtf lol. I did let myself be summoned a lot admittedly and killing all of the tryhards in forum azula was great fun

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    malenia had me seething for days
    https://streamable.com/j2hss4

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kino finish, anon. Did it count your victory or no?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No.
        Hence the seething lmfao

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is this the souls game Ganker has bitched the most about? When was the last time Ganker was so overly destroyed by a game like that?

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What str/fai weapons should I be on the lookout for? Just got to Altus Plateau for the first time, so I'm looking for things to get done with before getting closer to the Erdtree and whatever bullshit they have around it.

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Boss literally unbeatable
    Some autist beat her with only kicks

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fromfags are just mad that their autistic no summon no magic no shield swordautism doesn't work on everything anymore. These people unironically want you to be able to beat every single enemy in the game by dodgerolling and hitting it with a sword.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically yes. If you're going to design a boss that relies on a particular type of equipment or playstyle to get an honest shake at, then you need to make a Sekiro style game, NOT a Demon's Souls style one.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i beat her like that several times though. The fromfags complaining about malenia just never learned basic game mechanics. I stopped playing early for a while and binge watched streamers play, most people did not know how to play the game by endgame and they got by just out trading the boss with sipping healing.

      most people couldnt space, most people didnt know to use positioning or to roll to the side instead of backwards and got hit by the jabs every time. They had like 30 vigor and a bunch of buffs that increased the damage they took by 15%, they manage their stamina and they spammed R1 then got caught with a retaliation attack and cried fowl. They literally didnt know how to play the game properly and ended up just running away, jump attacking into her then running away again and repeat. then they say the combat sucks, its funny but its sad too.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's exactly how i beat malenia thoughever

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >fight Malenia
    >reach second phase a few times
    >for some reason, she enters her second phase with fuck all HP
    I took my shot but it left such a sour taste in my mouth, I didn't earn my victory, I unironically didn't beat the game

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Has to do with getting her in a parry animation while blowing through her hard gate. She never replenishes health.

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I beat her with a Golden Halberd.
    If she's too hard for you, then grind some more levels.

    Malenia is a pushover after beating her the first time.

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My best friend who only plays fifa beat her after a few hours at mine, git gud

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Did he use Ashes? Because if he used Ashes or Summons, then I got bad news for your friend.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I beat her with a gimped kit, and I say ashes are fine.
        The sole unforgivable offense is looking up a guide on how to beat her on a blind playthrough.

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I beat her with nothing but my bare hands lol
    what's your excuse?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't Summon.

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >want to fight her again
    >cba to go to NG and get to her
    >put my sign down to help others
    >they ALWAYS get caught by the flurry and don't know how to survive it
    sigh

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      use duelist helmet and that taunting talisman thing.

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think I'll nut to malenia today

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Insufficient skill. People beat this game without leveling up and without upgrading their weapons. They do it by controlling the game with a fucking dance pad. If that can be done, I do not believe the boss is literally impossible with certain builds. There's no way your build is worse than literally not leveling up and not upgrading your weapon ever, unless you're memeing on purpose like equipping all the shit which increases damage taken while being overburdened so you can't move properly. You just suck at the game, the boss is not impossible.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Actually believing the dance pad meme
      I bet you think the magician really sawed a bitch in half too.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is this the levels of copium you're on? Just how horrendously bad must you be to think it's impossible? The game isn't that hard.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Never said impossible. I'm saying farming twitch views by setting up shit like putting someone's gf on a dance pad while they play with a controller is fucking surface level parlor trick for eThots.

          Yes, I already know it was a girl without checking shit, because that's how fucking predictable that shit is.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So you think it IS possible, but the videos showing it happening are totally fake because there's no way somebody actually did it, right? Makes sense anon, you're totally not coping about your own suckage at the game.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No, I said it's possible (because yes, it's technically possible), but it's more likely a sham from an eThot to get views and patron cash from retards who havn't figured out that snake oil salesmen never stopped existing just because we're in a digital age. I also assumed it was a female, because if you wanted to drive the absolute max profit for doing it, getting a chick to wear skin revealing clothing while jostling around on an old DDR dance pad that hold up like shit is your best bet. Willing to bet it was also some bleed shit just to top it off.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have faith that some furious incel watched that girls stream in ultra slowmo for inconsistencies between her inputs and the game. Given there's no such screaming I assume it's legit

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shitter. I’ve run multiple builds, some total shit ones too, and never had an issue with her

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Super specific build
    moron just have more than 30 Vigor

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's the soft cap on strength?

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The camera sucks fucking ass and keeps losing lock randomly

  54. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally just beat this bitch on my 4th try using nothing but godslayer sword +8 and burn o flame.
    Stats are 42 vig, 50 dex and 46 faith

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      are all discussions of fromshit games like this?
      >dude I beat this boss with the chad thundercock build, you guys are bad
      >is the game fun? uh who cares

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's precisely because that build isn't anything special nor is my ability at the game that I mention it. People are fucking retarded and keep smacking their head against a brick wall hoping RNG will favour them when literally just changing tactic can do wonders. I'd been using lightning most of the game but switched to that fire spell and godslayer for her, because she's weak to fire and that spell knocks her on her ass.

  55. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Holy fucking cope. If I can no hit her with giant crushers, anyone can do anything.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I can beat the boss playing directly against her 1 of 2 weaknesses
      Damn dude, you really showed us by poise breaking the bitch that gets fucking stunlocked to death the second you hold a weapon heavier than a standard greatsword 2 handed.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        When things like magic, bleed, and dex exist, strength is the worst.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anon no, strength is absurd. It was good on release back when the weapons were slow, now it's insane.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You didn't play on release. Strength was the worst, and literally everybody shit on it. It's still the worst, but it's better now.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Everybody shit on it because literally nobody knew what they were doing. RKR jumping attacks annihilated everything, people shit on it because all they ever got was one or two attacks against most bosses, but when you hit for 1000 and break posture in three hits that doesn't matter.

  56. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I beat her with a strength build. You just SUCK

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you think you're still playing DaS2/3? Strength is fucking pushed beyond belief in ER.

  57. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just beat her earlier today on a faith melee character. Scythe with black flame tornado, some buffs, and dung eater puppet. Not as bad as the first playthrough, but way way more attempts than any other boss. She really is on an entirely different level from the rest. Love when she decides to attack continuously for like 15 seconds and I end up performing a slapstick routine until I die. How do you even beat her if your weapon can't stagger her?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You don't. Notice a trend among all the people ITT; they either went STR or Faith. Melania has one real flaw in her strategy, and it's that her poise/stagger is fairly low compared to most bosses, but you only get enough of a window to reliably land a single attack. This is important, because trying to fight her with a Dagger and only squeezing 2 hits in before she starts putting you on the defensive means she is going to reset her poise before you get a stagger. Whereas a Greatsword is likely to stagger her in 1 hit, which means you either get a free follow-up attack (so vastly more damage being a heavier weapon) or breathing room to recoup that lighter weapons just simply don't get. It also doesn't take a math major to figure out why 2 hits with a Dagger is abysmally worse than the same 2 hits with a Greatsword.

      Faith is able to leviathan this with powerful buffs/spells, but from a raw damage aspect, STR >>>>>>> DEX is true for the vast majority of the game

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nobody uses daggers for their DEX build retard. There's a reason why katanas were always the most used weapon.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I was using it merely as a clear juxtaposition in variance for how stagger/poise works, Anon. That's not even touching how all great weapons have their own tier in Poise/Stagger damage seperate from all others, and how 2-handing your weapon ups your poise/stagger by an additional 10%. All this is to show that of you beat Malenia using STR, you literally took the easiest method of doing so next to Arcane bleed spam.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Damage scaling is garbage in ER. The attack difference between dex weapons and strength ones isn't very large, but dex has the advantage of being 3 times faster and safer. Staggers were literally put in the game to make Strength even stand a chance against shit, and it still doesn't close the gap. Strength is the worst.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You're early retarded. STR damage is far better than DEX on a hit-for-hit basis; DEX having an advantage in that their weapons are generally faster in theory (I say this, because a faster weapon is irrelevant if the window of execution only allows for a single attack between both weapon types). That's also not bringing up how STR just flat out gets a additional 1.5x multiplier on it's own stat for 2 handing their weapons on top of the aforementioned poise/stagger buff.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >(I say this, because a faster weapon is irrelevant if the window of execution only allows for a single attack between both weapon types)
                Have you even tried to play through the game with different builds? There's a massive fucking difference in your windows of opportunity depending on if you're using a greatsword or a fast DEX weapon. Strength was so fucking shit they needed MULTIPLE patches just to bring it somewhat inline with other builds. Strength was so fucking shit that it created an entire meta around jump attacking because it helped eliminate startup and ending lag on its weapons' shitty speed. Play the game more.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Jumping attacks are basically the best attacks in the game so I don't know what point you are making.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The point was that other builds never needed to exclusively use jumping attacks just to stand a chance. Strength did because of how shit its damage and speed was.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But doing one big attack was all strength weapons ever needed, no weapon group excels at charged heavy attacks. Charged heavy attacks in general have been shit since DS3. The jumping attack was and still is their best move, and there's no reason to do anything else under any circumstance aside from maybe crouching greatsword pokes. "I can't just mash R1" isn't an indicator of the weapon class's weakness, spamming jumping attacks made them outperform dex weapons in general.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Their jumping attacks equaled like two swings from an equivalent good DEX weapon. Like I said, damage scaling is garbage in ER which is why everyone and their mother uses faster DEX weapons. Again, everyone knew this since, and it's why strength had to get multiple patches of buffs.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Strength got multiple patches of buffs precisely because their jumping attacks and/or crouching attacks were so completely dominant. They are still dominant. Furthermore, just jumping up and down on a boss repeatedly was better damage output than most non-bleed seppuku builds in general. They also got way more free RKR ripostes. Again, strength was only "Bad" because people were trying to play them identically.

  58. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hey you're wrong, it's totally beatable, but the boss still sucks dick and Souls games are extremely poor action games. Cool worlds though.

  59. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Boss would be almost fine if it didn't literally just use a super attack from a dropped Sekiro boss.
    Waterfowl dance is so beyond the pale that it almost loops around to being funny.
    Sucks that by playing a sword and board knight I had a challenge harder than nearly every other playstyle.

  60. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i've beaten her with a grug smash, dexfag, and mage character. get gud. unless you're a fist user, probably. but fists are gimped in every single souls game outside of demon's souls. but those were good for the wrong reason in that game.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fists seem like they're actually pretty good in ER from the few times I tried them on bosses. I beat Morgott to a pulp and with Endure I didn't even need to respect any of his moves except the grabs. I could see them being difficult to use on other enemies that have more annoying hitboxes like the gargoyles, but the damage output is there.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >fists are gimped in every single souls game outside of demon's souls
      I destroyed blind (I mean blind except I knew fists were fun in DS2 and there was the hadoken fist in the third DLC) DS2 using Fists, it was probably the one of the most fun times I've had in the entire series.

  61. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    can someone recommend good rpgs with elden ring vibes? i want something with story. not the witcher, skyrim, etc. i am fine with text-based games

  62. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >it's not fair I have to use rolling

    no, it's quite fucking fair
    She's easy to beat

  63. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >lock best in slot items behind retarded quests and endgame areas
    >the quests required to get some best in slot items nuke low level save files by giving players upgraded weapons without warning

    0/10

  64. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's your favorite boss bros?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're all equally trash in my eyes

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's a shame anon. Not even one appealed to you?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          after replaying the game, no
          I want whoever specifically designed the bosses to die in a fiery car crash

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What issue did you have with them? Why specify replay, did you enjoy them on your blind playthrough?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              some of the bosses seemed fine the first time because I brute forced the game, but after replaying it and learning all their moves, gimmick and input reading I want whoever designed them to die in a fire as their face melts off and eyes burst

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I see. I don't think that many of the bosses honestly have crazy gimmicks, but I can see you saying that about a few at least. I never had a problem with input reading since I didn't play mage. I just outspaced or dodged an attack before healing each time. I can at least see why it would annoy you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it happens with melee but because melee prioritizes HP you don't notice that you're getting input read you think "woops better luck next time"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The game definitely input reads flasks, but it most certainly doesn't read attacks. What made you think that it did?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Some bosses have certain combos that have a false opening at the end of their moveset. If you try to punish this, then the boss sees you attempt this and will either trade with you or counter your punish outright. Malenia's hyperarmor roundhouse kick comes to mind if you swing at her while she's edgewalking in her 1st phase. Mohg will do it too, adding an additional backswing or downward thrust depending on your positioning when you try to punish him.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bosses definitely read attacks

                as [...]
                said

                Well, you have the right idea but it's most certainly not input reading. The bosses will "extend combos" depending on your positioning. As an example, if you are directly in front of Margit after one of his combos he will immediately follow up with his daggers regardless of if you attack or not. You can test this yourself, he's at the beginning of the game. Dodge in front of him and don't R1, he will still use his daggers. It's entirely positional

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not immediate, it's based on if you're attacking him or not, input reading. That's why he will stare at you until you attack, the kicker is he does throw in randomly timed combos in there so midwits think it's how the bosses are designed, but it's not

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Have you ever actually tested this? Please show us your test.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not trying to be rude anon, but you are wrong about this. Margit, as well as every other boss in the game, do not read your melee attack inputs. His combos are also not randomly timed, they are always the same. You can test this yourself, and I really hope you do because it will be the only way for you to know what I'm saying is true. Margit has two different melee combos that he will follow up with his daggers only if you are in front of him, he will do them regardless of if you attack or not. His delayed attacks will also always swing at the exact same time, even if you swing at him while he is holding it.

                actually yes

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon... This is ridiculous. What are you trying to convey with this footage. Half of it is him punishing your flask, which I already said is a thing that exists. Look at 0:26 for example, Margit started his swing before you even pressed R1. If a boss happens to swing at you around the same time that you decided to attack, that doesn't mean they are input reading. In each of these circumstances, he would have attacked in the same manner regardless. The tailswipe clip is a great example of it, he will do it at the exact same moment regardless of your attacks if you are behind him.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We know about heal punishes. Those "attack punishes" don't line up at all.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're wrong, would you like to know how you're wrong?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, go ahead, show me the footage of those scenarios in which he simply doesn't attack because you don't.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                At 6 seconds he whiffs his combo so I charge a heavy attack, he then input reads my held R2 as an attack and uses his dagger to hit me

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Or, get this, alternatively he notices you are next to him, he is in neutral after the cooldown of the attack, and then brings out his dagger.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He whiffed his combo and is in a vulnerable state, a "fake opening" when I hit R2 he attacks. It's called input reading

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He missed one strike and can dagger you. It's only a "False opening" because you misunderstood the attack cooldown. Please show evidence of him never daggering you unless you attack within that "False opening". If he daggers you anyway, then it isn't input reading, it's positioning reaction.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Right he's standing there doing nothing because it's actually a really delayed combo for him to randomly swipe behind his back

                Or you know it's called input reading which practically every enemy in the game has now

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He's standing there "Doing nothing" because he is finishing the cooldown animation for his sword swing before starting his animation for the dagger swipe. The animations literally lead into one another, it's a scripted part of the combo. Please prove he does not do the dagger if you merely stand still near him.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Would you like to move to the next example of input reading?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sure, melee attack input reading. The one where he started up the dagger as you jumped but before you input the attack. Because that dagger is positioning based.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the dagger is input reading, the same as it is for the estus

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What input did it read? Your jump? Does it just read any and every input? Does he not use it if you stand perfectly still?
                It isn't input reading, you're just getting hit because you keep forgetting he can pull out a dagger.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bosses can input read jumps, attacks and rolls and queued inputs. They also input read items

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You have only provided evidence of one of these. The one we all knew.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I showed a boss input reading an attack, a charged attack. At 13 seconds it input reads a jump

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You showed a combo string end with a dagger because of your proximity, twice. You have not shown any footage of him not ending that string with a dagger despite you being close by not inputting anything.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I showed him input reading

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You showed nothing of the sort, because you never showed that string not occurring due to a lack of inputs. As we have seen from your footage, he always ends with the dagger.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >actually
                it's input reading

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can't be serious at this point right? This is some elaborate false flag or something right?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Good no proof, fag.

                I already posted proof
                nearly every boss and enemy in the game has input reading now

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are you the "backwards spells" guy?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your proof isn't proof no matter how many times you insist.

                >it's not proof if you show video of input reading
                cope

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I accept your concession.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, please tell me you aren't the backwards spell dude.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your proof isn't proof no matter how many times you insist.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Good no proof, fag.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then show us a single clip of Margit not using the dagger while you're in front of him after one of his 2 combos that he follows up with them. If it's input reading he won't use them if you're doing nothing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, at 6 seconds Margit had just finished using one of his two combos that he can use his daggers afterwards. Your character is still within the area in front of him where he can follow up with them. It has nothing to do with the fact that you went for an attack.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not trying to be rude anon, but you are wrong about this. Margit, as well as every other boss in the game, do not read your melee attack inputs. His combos are also not randomly timed, they are always the same. You can test this yourself, and I really hope you do because it will be the only way for you to know what I'm saying is true. Margit has two different melee combos that he will follow up with his daggers only if you are in front of him, he will do them regardless of if you attack or not. His delayed attacks will also always swing at the exact same time, even if you swing at him while he is holding it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bosses definitely read attacks

                as

                Some bosses have certain combos that have a false opening at the end of their moveset. If you try to punish this, then the boss sees you attempt this and will either trade with you or counter your punish outright. Malenia's hyperarmor roundhouse kick comes to mind if you swing at her while she's edgewalking in her 1st phase. Mohg will do it too, adding an additional backswing or downward thrust depending on your positioning when you try to punish him.

                said

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Godfrey is my favorite fight with Radahn as a close second. Draconic Tree Sentinel and Mohg are S-Tier, too.

      Godrick, Rykard, Ancestor Spirit, Mimic Tear, and Tibia Mariner are all a strong A-tier

      The rest are kind of 'meh.' The only ones I outright dislike are Radabeast, Godskin Noble/Duo, and Morgott/Margit. Maliketh and Ancestor Spirit have my favorite OSTs

  65. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Strength got multiple patches of buffs precisely because their jumping attacks and/or crouching attacks were so completely dominant
    Nothing about this line of thinking makes any sense. They weren't buffing strength to make its moves as good as jumping attacks. They buffed it because jumping attacks were the ONLY viable moves in comparison to every other class that wasn't limited to just one move.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Actually what they mostly did was revert the nerfs put in place for Elden ring from DS3 since Elden ring is just a DS3 mod

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They literally ended up nerfing crouching attacks on the greatswords if I recall because they were so good. Great weapon standard movesets have always been shit, this game just made the single hit you get from jumping completely dominant over the single R1 hit you would otherwise get. The r1's were still "Usable", they were just completely inferior because they were as slow or slower and did LESS damage.

  66. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just got watchdog's staff, can I cheese the crucible knights or they'll just bum rush and rape me?

  67. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This tear made her a joke for me because I was light rolling with the bull-goat gear.

  68. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >get to Rykard
    >big sword swear spear thing at the start of the boss arena
    >it's a meme weapon that trivializes the fight
    why was this allowed

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >get to Yhorm
      >weird sword thing at the end of the boss arena
      >it's a meme weapon that trivializes the fight
      >get to Storm King
      >weird sword thing in the boss arena
      >it's a meme weapon that trivializes the fight
      Because Miyazaki likes the concept obviously.

  69. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >sneeze in her direction to stunlock
    >hold l1 to block 100% damage of the meme attack
    WOOOOOOOOOOOWWWW ITS SO FUCKING HAAAAARRRRDDD

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      retard

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        retard who beat the boss you're shitting and pissing about, yeah

  70. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just learn to dodge waterfowl and you literally win everytime. it has a huge punish window - stop fucking panic rolling, get your shit together and unironically get good.

  71. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are there so many people playing on steam atm?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because around a month ago the game went on sale and its a long enough game for people who bought it there to still play it.

  72. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >some bosses practically require small and fast weapons to attack between the boss' attacks
    >other bosses have insane damage resistance so smaller weapons do tiny chip damage

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      tfw 20 minutes chipping the fallingstart beast's hp away because of shit damage and the boss having only one attack that is safe to punish

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        hit its face you dumbass

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There is more than one?!

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There's like four of those fuckers bro

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yes

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Even less space and no horse.
              I cant unseaths to this

  73. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    haha
    git gud

  74. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What is a fun/good build in this game?

    I've done:

    Jump attack build
    Max stance break build
    Roar build
    Bleed/Ice/Fire build (daring)
    pure int
    pure fth
    godslayer incants only
    beast incants only
    rl1
    magic melee spells only (carian slicer)
    carian grandeur only
    WA only
    bow only
    dexfag
    strfag
    fthfag
    intfag
    summoner (summons + support/heal spells)

    whats fun, im burning out

  75. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    lol I can beat her at level 1 with a torch. git. gud.

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