Tim is truly /oneofus/, looking out for the small guy.
Epic Games CEO says AI companies shouldn't be 'hoovering up everybody's art data'
This phonograph "reads" a rock’s rough surface and transforms it into beautiful ambient music pic.twitter.com/PYDzYsWWf8— Surreal Videos (@SurrealVideos) March 3, 2023
That's actually kind of based, if true.
I will now install EGS for the free games, thank you based Timmy!
I still don't want the CCP spyware, thank you.
its what ur mom does to to your dads dick while ur sleeping
31st president of the united states
It's a dam. He means he doesn't want companies blocking the average joe with an AI from freely using art he found on the internet.
A vacuum company. What he is saying is that the computer AI is basing its renditions off of other people's art.
This. Installing a Chinese botnet isn't worth the free games.
>What he is saying is that the computer AI is basing its renditions off of other people's art.
Don't people do the exact same thing themselves?
>Don't people do the exact same thing themselves?
yes, but it's suddenly bad when AI does it because it puts them out of a job
America's national dog. Hoover's putting on too much weight, so Tim-san is telling everyone too stop overfeeding him.
It's a weird west coast way to say hovering, for some reason they add an extra O because of the way they pronounce it in California.
It's a song
it's a reference to the hoover dam from the hit role playing game Fallout: New Vegas
Imagine you consoom so much you start using brand names for daily activities like vacuuming, that's hoovering.
For me, it's "Kirbying". That way I get to reference to brands at once!
J. Edgar (he was a chud)
indeed. if the AI companies' model is so sound, they can commission the art they need for their outputs without plagiarizing others' work and IP.
Actually they dont have to. There are shit tons of banks of images and illustrations without copyright. The difference is that it would take more time so they just stole everyone's artwork. Which we can discuss is not even stealing because human artists also take inspiration from other works of art.
The "they are infringing my copyrights" is just artist cope. They are salty the coomer eventually will just type what they want in an uncensored chatgp3 and get their coom dopamine for free. And they are scared. They dont give a shit about who used what shit on creating a new technology, they are afraid of the technology.
Saying the "program is just inspired, like an artist" is actually brain damaged. I don't care about copyright, it's the argument itself that bothers me. Artificial neural networks are inspired by brains but do not even try to simulate them according to current knowledge and make no claim of functioning in exactly the same manner. They empirically very clearly do not, based on both input-output relations and internal state. There is absolutely no reason why we should consider an ANN to be "merely inspired" while we consider a compiler to perform a mechanical conversion - if we accept this argument, then a binary is merely inspired by the source code.
>do not even try to simulate them according to current knowledge
if they tried to simulate your brain they'd commit suicide before doing anything else
Big Sweeney sticking up for artists' property rights
Sticking up for his future property rights*
what about the costumer data little timmy
BUT…UMMM.. WE ASK PERMISSION WHEN YOU AGREE TO THE ToS!!!
>WE LIVE IN MONKEY WORLD
No worries bro, it's only about UT!
good luck stopping chinks
What, is he gonna launch an Epic platform for that too?
Funny coming from the guy selling your data to the Chinese. Epic still allows AI art on arstation as well.
>Rivalry with Gaben ended. Emad ist new rival now.
All companies sell data to China because all companies sell data to third parties who then sell data to the government and anyone interested
with Gaben ended. Emad ist new rival now.
Just wait until Gaben says something similar and he'll do a 180.
Hold on, it belongs to Epic?
Some things are starting to make sense now
Look at the leftmost picture of the third row
Its implying AI art is racist, this is your camp anti AI gays lmao
> UV and Retopo pls
This bro knows what's up
Are those databases that AI programs use to make art public? How would an artist know if their art got used to make AI generated images?
I think both can co-exist, but I don't think it's weird to not want your art to be used without permission.
stable diffusion at least comes with an excel sheet with names of thousands of artists that have been used in training
He owns Artstation which allows AI art generated from stolen data. Eat glass you bald ugly gay.
it's not stolen when it's freely available on the internet.
if a person copies someone else's artstyle that's also not stealing.
Watch him move the goalpost now to 'ethics' and 'morals'
or worse the "its a machine so its not the same" cope
People generally don't get mad when a human copies an art style because it still requires effort and there are still differences due to person's unique quirks.
Nobody really expected an attempt to fully automate one if mist humanistic activities.
Why are you still replying to the bot that's made the exact same posts for months?
Because I'm a retard who doesn't keep up with news
you can't let your AI model train on our image okay? you just can't even if I can't tell you why it's copyright infringement.
Ehhh…it’s complicated innit?
Dont most artists take “inspiration “ from art thats out there already?
The ai does the same thing but more direct, but the outcome isn’t 1:1 though…right? Haven’t kept up with ai so far but i doubt it can trully mimic shit like Amano.
It's never 1 to 1, ever. There have been some twitter cunts who used the image 2 image functionality in an attempt to discredit the AI process, but they were called out fairly quick. These cunts are salty as fuck and will do anything it takes to see AI art destroyed permanently at this point
I saw that since it was a direct reply, thanks anon.
So yeah i like ai art, its just more honest from which style it takes inspiration from.
bro, that take is so retarded nobody even uses it anymore.
They literally said their music AI won't use copyrighted music in the database because they know the AI copies shit, and can sometimes copy shit verbatim.
They don't apply that to artwork because they can grab investor money while they still get away with it, when obviously the same standard applies.
Wrong. They don't want to risk a lawsuit is why, as the music industry is ultra garden gnomed and go after anyone even making a somewhat similar tune to whatever pop trash they signed off on already. Hence the not so recent katy perry bs case
>They literally said their music AI won't use copyrighted music in the database because they know the AI copies shit, and can sometimes copy shit verbatim.
the music industry, and disney, have the biggest grip on copyright laws
the ai wont use copyrighted music because even tho the music industry has not yet, it will eventually mold the new laws regarding this shit in a way that its in the favor of big studios
and until that happens any company doing ai using cpyrighted music will just sued to oblivion against the kinda money they cant win
image based copyright is way less loose online
timmy taking this stance is probably him figuring he also just has something to loose from this tech being developed
>They literally said their music AI won't use copyrighted music in the database because they know the AI copies shit, and can sometimes copy shit verbatim.
This this this
>The ai does the same thing but more direct, but the outcome isn’t 1:1 though…right? Haven’t kept up with ai so far but i doubt it can trully mimic shit like Amano.
ai recognizes details (like how google lens does) traces those recognized details (eg. lines or how shading is applied on an eye from an angle) compresses the hell out of these details till they are pretty much just noise so it can store shitloads of traced details like these in it's library, and when it tries to create a picture it assembles an image from fitting details while also using upscaling, blurring, filtering, warping etc. on them to make them look seamless. It will still result in a lot of cursed art and fucked up details but you can keep regenerating until you come across something random that looks good enough to share.
This is also why it can't actually redraw the same character in slightly different angles or poses (like during animations) without each frame looking like the details are slightly different in each frame, because it has to find new fitting details instead of the ai actually knowing how to draw the things it portrays
AI is still tracing, even if the details are used from so many sources and even filtered where it's hard to recognize where each detail was lifted from.
It can produce pictures that look good at a first glance, but you should keep in mind that if an ai art has a really nice detail (eg a beautiful eye or breasts or lines in general) it was just lifted from another real artwork where that detail likely looked much more fitting. This is why AI art currently has no real use and why you can't copyright it
its not tracing at all
its the exact same thing a real artist does
try and replicate art
compare to see what you did right and wrong
and eventually they can draw from memory
>its not tracing at all its the exact same thing a real artist does try and replicate art compare to see what you did right and wrong try again and eventually they can draw from memory
That's just how it's detail assembling part works, but it still does this with traced details. It is recognizing details from pictures and saving them in an ultracompressed noisy sate, then recreates these details where they are needed.
It doesn't know how to draw, it just has shitloads big library of details it can apply where needed and tweak them to make them more seamless and this is what it "learned".
Again, this is why ai can't draw the same character in a different angle correctly, it won't use it's logic to twist the details it "knows" how to draw in 3d and draw them like that (like how an artist would), it will just try finding a new set of details from it's library that are fitting for this slightly different angle and look close enough to the original, but in the end they will still look noticably different since they aren't the same (like every frame of ai animation does (unless it is literally just tracing eg live footage and is more focused on applying filters, in which case this will likely be less noticable)
that's the same thing your brain does when you look at something and draw it
I suggest you look up how ML actually works, as there is no "tracing" being done at any step in the process. The images are trained by way of a reward system, and through iterations, as results are fine-tuned from eldritch abominations to results that are preferred. Images are produced FROM noise, not tracings at any step.
Don't waste your breath. You're likely replying to a shill bot.
>still repeating "a computer copying data is the same as a human inspiration" bullshit
Who do you shills expect to believe this shit?
If the output is very close to one of the training images, then the model is experiencing overfitting, meaning that it wasn't trained properly. The opposite of that is underfitting, where the output doesn't resemble the training data at all.
Tim was always /ourguy/ and it's ridiculous how some sneaky shills convinced the entire board and half of the internet that bigger taxes on game distribution is a good thing for the consumers. Like how fucking desperately do you need to ignore basic economics to convince yourself that higher middle man taxes of any kind have no negative effects on the consumer
That was never the element that people disliked, and you know that.
>That was never the element that people disliked, and you know that
Lol, it was an element that drones like you deliberately ignored and you know that, even though it was literally the whole fucking point behind Tim making EGS from the beginning. He even talked about the issue of pointlessly high digital distribution taxes years before
You were also always pushing this hypocrite bullshit where you were both pretending that Tim just made EGS out of greed while also pretending that his low taxes are unsustainable just to defend Valve's pointless greed. Not even mentioning all the "spy program" gaslighting with you making up or just circlejerking with literal lies
Congratulation, thanks to you drones middle man companies will keep taxing 1/3 of gaming revenue for no fucking reason other than because they can get away with it. Hope it was worth it so you can keep using those glorious steam features. Oh wait, you don't, nobody does, because everyone is just already using superior free alternatives for fucking anything steam offers. You retards were literally just too paranoid of losing the convenience of not having to click on a different launcher every now and then
Stop kissing Tim's ass, you autistic fuck. This is the same guy who advocates that consumers shouldn't review the games they buy so as not to harm the corporations. They only added a star review system after a lot of pressure, and even then it's all controlled to avoid "review bombings", i.e., it's one more of the endless examples of Autistic Tim allying himself with corporations against the interests of consumers because he has the business vision of a blind mule.
And the games are starting to be released for $70 on Epic as well. Curious, no? Apparently leaving a higher proportion of money in the hands of the publishers doesn't reflect in lower prices because games aren't commodities or some shit like that whose price is determined purely by the laws of supply and demand.
It's not that simple. Just because Epic taxes developers less than Steam does not inherently guarantee that the developer will lower the price of their final product. It also doesn't help that their storefront is slow, laggy and miss a ton of features users have gotten used to from Steam (the store they want to compete with), or that their store searched for steam folders when running (allegedly they don't do this anymore.)
But the real shot to the foot was Epic making exclusivity deals, which really pissed people off, and is inherently anti-consumer.
Thank you for that statement Mr. Sweeny CEO of Epic GAMES
Thanks to this it'll never be used in big companies and it's a good thing.
NO NO NO BUT I OWN IT I OWN THE IMAGE I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO SELL IT AND IT SHOULD BE DISPLAYED IN GALLERIES AS WELL
H-huh? Copyright issues? Plagiarism? Ummmm... what if I just lie? What if I never say that a computer made it? Surely that will evade copyright law, right? (Actual argument that was used in AI threads btw)
>What if I never say that a computer made it?
All digital art is the same photoshop garbage anyway.
I only respect traditional artists.
I remember back in the early 2000s on DeviantART there would be so, so many newbie artists imitating the exact artstyle of the few popular artists, and it still happens even today.
>(Actual argument that was used in AI threads btw)
most likely a strawman posted by yourself
>boomer seethes because he didn't invest at the right time
he should offer more free games to attract kids to his platform
It's literally no different from me downloading shitloads of porn off the internet or me downloading wallpapers from DA.
That sperg is just virtue signalling for reddit points.
The data is not hoovered up. No data has been taken away from a source.
*Yawn*...another moron who has no concept of AI art generation.
>please artists stop using references...or tracing, that's like 80% of Patreon's "artists"
>please artists stop using references
Using references still involves you doing all the work, something that doesn't apply to AI "artists"
Using references is about reducing the ammount of work just like an AI
Tell me you never painted anything without telling me you never painted anything in your life lmao. There is no art without reference, that's a myth created by retards like yourself that have never produced any kind of artwork.
it's not that complicated
>Epic gets on the trend of condemning AI art
>Epic immediately opens up a division dedicated to AI art while everybody buys into the misdirection
Kek, Timmy switching sides every other day, just recently he was all for the cutting edge AI to empower the little man.
Oh Epic Games wants someone else to stop sucking, that's rich.
Why can't this cunt just stop seething to anything? Is he secretely trans or something?
>noooooo those 1s and 0s I willingly uploaded belong to me! You can't use them with your 1s and 0s to make new 1s and 0s!
abolish all copyright law
You never made anything in your life and want everything handed to you on a platter, zoomie
>abolish all copyright law
retard tier opinion, probably a chinese perosn that thrives on stealing people's work because they re autistic/low emotions/schizo pattern recognition and their creativity is terrible
It's over you gay. The tech to copy creative works exists now and China is the new great power in the world. Create all the stupid laws you want you're still gonna burn.
it doesn't though, artists will always be needed. this is only for making cheap filler garbo (which is a pretty good thing). but for s tier shit you ll always need artists who spent leir life mastering their craft
Brotherman, have you not seen the progress alone from google Dreams to our current situation? It's unironically only a question of time now before it can give you exactly what you want to see.
no it's not. any technology has diminishing returns and will be progressively increasingly be bottlenecked by the laws of physics, resources available. making random stuff is extremely easy but to make stuff with intent, message and harmony, with the signature of the artists, we re talkign near infinite patterns to make. ain't not one got the computing power for that shit, nor the training available. you won't travel solar system, you won't become immoral. because god's laws prevent it. at some point it becomes so difficult that practically you have to admit it's just never gonna happen. but trying has some benefits so enjoy yourself, not everyone needs to have the same beliefs about everything especially secondary shit like this
Aren't apeic games chinese now? Never ever trust anything coming from China
it's kind of surprising how mesmerized people are by AI and they're overlooking the fact that it's basically just all stolen art composited together by a calculator. AI cannot create anything truly beautiful. The AI e-boi is a deformed mockery of the beauty of a hand-drawn e-boi. AI futa cocks are misshapened beyond recognition, to the point where I can't even masturbate that often to it. We are losing our sense of beauty and our sense of truth.
>nooo nooooo muh super artistic soulful furry porn jobs!
>ai can't create anything good looking!
which is it gay?
>AI cannot create anything truly beautiful
>goes on to talk about e-boi and futa
For a moment there I thought you were going to talk about something with actual cultural worth, but no.
The real masterworks of centuries or millennia old are already freely available anyway, so it doesn't really matter how anti-AI tards feel about modern slop being scooped up by the algorithm along with everything else. You art isn't worth "protecting" as much as you think.
>how mesmerized people are by AI and they're overlooking the fact that it's basically just all stolen art composited together by a calculator
Every artist learns from other art, means that by definition every artist steals art
If art were inherently unoriginal we'd still be smearing wet mud on cave walls.
No, because art is recursive
And original apparently
>mud painting + berries
>mud painting + berries on tree
>berries on tree bark
none of these things are spontaneous either, the "original idea" comes from training data (observation). we can learn about berries staining shit while trying to feed ourselves and not make art.
we just have more variety in training data and are tasked with using that to do more than one thinh and can take data from unrelated tasks and share it. an AI today can only apply data to a singular task. if an AI can freely generate art, or drive a car, or make audio, or tell a story all with the same process and share that freely it will start to be more "original"
Are we still painting berry trees with mud?
>if an AI can freely generate art,
That "if" is what I'm talking about, hypothetically (and imho probably) AI art can exist in the future but the current generative models are just an advanced form of collage.
That aside from 26 fingers, is so well composited you can’t tell. Artist will finally starve the rest of the way.
>Are we still painting berry trees with mud?
Do artists not look at colors,faces, scenery ? those cave paintings you say are recreations of things they saw or heard about
You know why high art has devolved on shit stains on walls,toilets,etc instead of intricate baroque paintings? because the philosophy of art caught up with the fact that originality is impossible and that information buck broke the minds of artists into trying desperate meassures to try and come up with something original
You're now experiencing amateur artists getting buck broken by that same reality and even harder because they are being given proof of how worthless they are
Dont post a glasses wearing pepe if you are going to post dumb shit like that
>caught up with the fact
*the belief, and if you're going to full ackshually you shouldn't act like 1875-1925 art was monolithic.
>Do artists not look at colors,faces, scenery ?
What does the Sistine ceiling recreate?
FACT unless you have irrefutable proof that magic is real and human brains function out of magic, the philosophers that came to understand that fact did it with a fraction of the information about the human brain as we have now but their observations and logical conclussion was not a simple belief
>What does the Sistine ceiling recreate?
Looks like human bodies to me, did Michelangelo invent humans ?
>Looks like human bodies to me, did Michelangelo invent humans ?
But how were the human bodies arranged? Have you had AI drawing a crowd of people? Let me tell you, that shit doesn't end well.
Why are you afraid of AI art then?
Different anon, genius. I'm just chiming in AI may be able to generate the bodies but if you tell it what to do with them, it won't always carry and some might not be generated properly.
but the point is, ai can be improved, and eventually will be better
of course it sucks NOW, shit's barely a few years old, what matters is the future
>but the point is, ai can be improved, and eventually will be better
Yes, a lot of us know that.
We're only talking about what we've seen and experienced. No sense praising something for what hasn't happened yet or what developments have yet to surface but will someday.
Someday we'll have graphene CPUs that can run a 12THz but what's the point in saying that when it hasn't happened yet?
because, following current trends, it WILL happen
in less than 30 years, even
Where did Michelangelo see precisely what he replicated (not "created")?
The mythical world of outside, where humans congregate in numbers and there is enough data to train your brain on how they look and act
And the bible, a text that describes some scenes containing the above
You dont understand how machine learning or human learning works at all
Where did chatgtp see precisely the answer of your little sister's english homework?
In various text sources
But it didnt saw the exact same text and copy pasted, it created something new using those various text sources
There is your answer
>it created something
As did Michelangelo, there is your answer.
so all creations are unoriginal then
No, all creations are original in some aspect. Hence "creation".
>in some aspect
then they aren't original
and the part that isn't, then it's taken from another different source so still unoriginal
Evidently new art, stories etc. are created all the time, if you want to call them categorically unoriginal then congratz on winning a retarded argument of philosophy 101 semantics.
You're arguing semantics because you lost the argument
Call it COMPOSING instead of creating then
Michelangelo can't "compose" images out of text, dummy.
Again semantics lol
Gonna start pointing out typos next?
It's the other way around, my point is that you can call the process creation, composition, "data process" (le brain pc meme lol) or whatever, it requires to make something new because it's not there yet, it's that simple.
Let me break it down to you
>You see a tree
>You see the color red
>You imagine a red tree
Thats not originality
It is if the tree differs from the one in my memory.
They are original in the sense that the permutation is new. Things cannot be created, only changed and combined. But every AI image is a novel permutation in that same way
If by "change and combine" you mean not just already existing art but also experiences, things you saw personally etc. then I agree.
yes. and a machine can eventually do that too. its only using one type of data now. eventually it will be 2, then 4, then 8 at an exponential rate. to say humans have an unemulatable soul is just narcicisstic romanticism. we arent there yet, but there is no stronghold of humanity.
Yes, but imho the big next step is AI that can create art without human guidance/input.
Generally speaking I find the recent "AI" (not really AI) image generatives boring but I'm very interested in genuine AI art once it gets there.
People and everything in the observable universe. Even God is just an old man. Did you know the camera obscura isn’t just a fatal frame weapon but in fact a for the time advance tracing tool? Thats right, a lot of that “art” you love so much was still just tracing. Turns out the reason artist screech about tracing is because thats how they do it but want to pretend like they are better than you. Get fucked art fag, make me my cheese burger cocksucker.
Did Diefenbach trace this?
Probably, he didn’t just imagine trees and seeing objects in clouds.
I'm sorry to inform you that fairy clouds aren't real
Neither are lion clouds in the sky moron. It isn’t original, kids do it every day.
People are real. Fire is real. Smoke is real. Aurora is real. All supernatural concepts are just mental mashups of things in nature. AI mashes existing things together to make a new thing in the same way.
>mash existing things together to make a new thing
Art in a nutshell.
You can't imagine a tree?!
>aifags are such NPCs they can't imagine trees
you can't imagine trees, the only reason you can picture one in your mind is because you've seen one already, either described or through an image/photo, maybe looked at one once
If you can't imagine a tree that isn't a 1:1 copy of a memory of a tree then you're unironically mentally challenged.
Nice cope, pajeet.
>you can't imagine trees
ai shills are really this stupidly desperate
Can you imagine something that has properties unlike anything you have ever seen?
Lovecraft sure couldnt and he tried
You're fucking retarded mate, you have seen TRILLIONS of trees, real,drawn, plastic from different angles, contortions ,lighting, hell the TRILLIONS may be too low of an estimate
You can put together some surreal looking trees from that information alone and thats not it you can combine other data into your mental image of a tree, giving it cocks for branches and fire for leafs as an example that still is not originality everything you imagine you have already seen
>Lovecraft sure couldnt and he tried
You need to read more books
how's that gout going, hume? you fat fuck
yeah, he looked at some trees and imagined it in his mind and the added some people shapes blended with smoke shapes which is basically tracing by AI standards
So even a broken clock is right twice a day huh.
He's literally backtracking now that more people and more institutions are filling lawsuits against AI companies.
There's an ongoing strike in my country over VAs getting mogged by AI (other than, you know, getting paid like shit).
I am literally praying it destroys the US voice acting market, though.
I hate all these people. They're getting in the way of the perfect AI future because they're greedy whores no different from Hollywood garden gnomes like the RIAA
> the perfect AI future
Pods that jerk you off for only 1000 usd/week the rent, and bugs that taste like chocolate if you use the right VR headsets.
But this will bottleneck art because people will stop making art and AI won't have new concepts to pull from.
New concepts such as...? More DeviantArt furry inflation porn? MLP trash? Maybe some of that tumblr-tier red nose garbage?
The fact of the matter is that the artists whining about AI either already ape other popular artists, or produce absolute dogshit "art" that not even AI engines want to include in their models
>there is nothing new to create
there have always been idiots that think this and they re always proven wrong
There is nothing new under the sun. Everyone apes each other and claim originality. You also didn't answer the question
indeed nothing new under the sun. humans keep making new things, and some narcissistic ignorants who think the changes that have been constantly happening before them will stop happening after them because they re SPECIAL and the world ends at them. far from everything has been made because everything is a hell lot. I answered the question because interesting new concepts will be made, regardless of you denying it or not
Not him, but holy shit, anon. I could prompt an AI to argue against the use of AI and I bet the result would have made more sense than your incoherent rambling.
People deep down want to spend their limited time and money on artistry, AI is not art, this is a very simple thing AI users refuse to believe when people tell them and understand when explained to.
AI has zero artistic value so its ever only used as background for some sort of art form, eg. You made a soundcloud album of music and need a nice cover, nobody will bother you for using AI art for it, You want character portraits for your RPG with friends, AI is a good use, You write long fapfics and want a cover for it? you will be more appreciated if you use real art, but AI art can be used because the actual art is your writing not the image.
AI art is to be used where artistry in the IMAGE is not important, but that's a thing AI fags will never accept.
>AI art is to be used where artistry in the IMAGE is not important
This is what is going to happen: corporations doing whatever the fuck they want while fucking over the people in every possible way.
> A banana taped to a wall can be art
> But AI is not because it-it just can't!
It's funny that it's human beings themselves making the best argument in favor of AI to get us out of this cultural rut we find ourselves in. There's so, so, so much fucking mediocrity (or even worse than that) and generic shit being targeted at either mainstream or niche audiences, that the advent of AI cannot possibly be worse than what we have now. That's how bad things have gotten.
Even something as essential as having a dialogue with someone is difficult. At least a fucking chatbot has an attention span, whereas people are largely judgemental dickheads or just stare at you (that is if you're lucky enough and they aren't just looking down at their phones) with a dumb look in their faces about any subject that is remotely difficult or complicated.
Based n this
>Hear about ai winning an art contest with a large amount of people
>Turns out the other contestants were just that garbage
This whole post reeks exactly of who is clamoring for the proliferation of AI. It's the socially outcast nerd who had a difficult time socializing with "normalfags". And my heart goes out to you anon, because most people are difficult to converse with. But inside that contention you will find intellectual discussions if you seek it in the right places. I want you to give it a try instead of throwing it out the window in favor an emotionless string of numbers emulating a human's mind which cannot be replicated or forged.
This post was written by an AI.
False, AI art can't be copyrighted so if anyone wants to actually own their art they will need to do the work themselves.
>opens AI image in photoshop and adds a few alterations
there, all ready for my copyright 🙂
What country? Ai va work sound more authentic in another language?
>EGS thread AND and AI thread
Good morning, sirs
Pajeets are making so much money from AI art. It's the new bitcoin and boomers are too dumb to understand prompts that's why they'd rather shut down everything.
>Tim Sweeny pushes NFT shit then pretends he didn't
>Tim Sweeny pushes AI shit then pretends he didn't
lmao the chuds are so blatant
Imagine defending the most anti-consumer and anti-developer company in all gaming
what a gay
nah fuck timmy and fuck jeets
i'm just pointing out the discordchuds that keep making 2 kinds of posts. it's either
>AI IMAGES ARE JUST LIKE NFTS BECAUSE.... THEY JUST ARE OKAY?????
seriously look at this shit
you can instantly tell when xir enters the thread
Stop shitting in your streets, Radesh
This gay always sides with the establishment, never with the consumer, as an anon noted in another thread.
The only way to "defend" your art is to never publish it. If your talent, ideas, style, has any value, then people will learn from it and replicate it, either manually or using tools to do so.
AIs are going to represent a huge opportunity for the consumer to get something cheaper, or sometimes for free, that before they had to pay a lot or wait forever to get it in their hands. Autistic Tim sees this as a risk, because he fails to understand that the idea of business is to please the consumer, not to keep him in a position of inferiority and ignorance as Autistic Tim does when he even lets players write review about the games they buy from his shitty store.
Good morning sirs
Hey chud, how's the 'cord?
This guy is the antichrist of videogames.
Looks like the ai pajeet shills are back. Did they get upset at the 2 threads in the catalog mocking nfts?
He is playing both sides. He will try to shut down the western access to data collection knowing that his tencent backing can get him all the shit from china. So he will be the only one left with a viable product.
Does anything he say have any weight behind it? I mean, he's no Elon Musk
Elon is a vaporware seller. Tim actually sells something and has real value behind him, its just that he is pretending to be the underdog while being a massive force in the industry.
Elon was one of the people behind ChatGPT, and he's had a humongous amount of success in pretty much every field
>one of the people
He threw some money at it. Just like with most projects. Wanna talk about boring company? His solar tiles? His trucks? Mono rail tube shit? All failures that are not to be mentioned. Does he by pure chance occasionally fund projects that go somewhere? Sure, but i would not follow him as a sign of quality in a project.
Guy made pipe dream shit actually happen like SpaceX.
Leftoids are just perma butthurt because he's a democrat but not a wokester
Vaporware doesn't deliver supplies and American astronaut to the ISS.
Rajeesh, may Shiva curse you, report to central management, it was my turn to make the thread.
DO NOT REDEEM THE CARD
This lying gay was one of the biggest shills for any new scam and likes to pretend he didn't support them whenever the law gets involved or when a new fad flops.
Anyways, good morning sirs.
Jesus, what a fucking fag
don't worry sisters,
this is strategy surely working and not making us look like desperate chuds
Good morning sirs
Please show bobs and vagene
Its OK, Tim, those artists all probably clicked 'Agree' to something somewhere that said they were OK with other people harvesting their art and data anyway
Everybody's already seen that, but way to out yourself as someone whose only been on Ganker for a maybe a year at most
keep going, xister!
next post will surely be the one
DO NOT REDEEEEM NO!
you are so transparent
tell me, how are AI image generators remotely the same as NFTs again?
I'm against this, simply because I wanna see AI advance. Also training an AI should not be considered copyright infringement. That's like saying learning someone's technique is copyright infringement.
>we need regulatory capture so only companies with huge amounts of hoarded IP can benefit from AI content creation
Love the "artists" using NFTmoron arguments after mocking them for over a year
I'd just like people to credit me, I'll make Art all day for AI people if they just gave me a credit.
For what? 3 or 4 pixels in a piece that had hundreds of artists behind its inspiration?
>Picasso literally plagiarized aboriginal and african scratch "artists"
>that'll be 4000.000.00.etc for one painting
Frankly, I can understand why some artists feel offended when they see AI generated artwork that is CLEARLY aping 100% of their artstyle, and some asshat claims that it's all "his" work because he put in some prompts. That shit is ridiculous. But if every single artist that had an influence on the final image had to be credited, the list would be longer than the prompt itself, and it wouldn't happen anyway, as the people who claim to be "prompters" and upload their AI produced art on sites like Artstation and Pixiv are specifically doing it to pass off as some kind of actual artist, as cringe as it is.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the tech itself, as it is a fun novelty, but I really do despise people who act like they're now artists because they put in a prompt.
I don't know how you would do it, but I just want some acknowledgement. I work very hard and the AI learned from me.
Listen bro, I'll be real with you— you won't get the recognition you desire, ever. At least not from the crowd that is using AI. Focus on your art and focus on those who appreciate what YOU make. Because regardless of how accessible AI art will become, there will still be plenty of people who will appreciate real artists.
>why yesss, AI data and generation should be secure and hrrmm, ETHICAL, in our hands of course.
Fuck this fatso, praise the pajeet for releasing that stuff on open source.
He's right. These companies are profiting off data they have no right to. Including things like Ganker shitposts. They don't have the right to make money off other people/companies owned data.
Then do something about Artstation you retard, you bought the damn company
He did. Artstation now allows artists to specify that their art shouldn't be used for training sets.
Nearly all recent games are either in Unity and UE, which makes them a great source for data for feeding AI. He should just datamine all UE games in order to destroy all competition with mass-produced games of dreams from a single prompt.
>voice TTS lets you use Joe Biden's voice to quote the YWNBAW pasta
>image diffusion lets you generate pretty landscapes and porn with the click of a button
>"burn it down, anyone who cares about this is either a shill or a street-shitting pajeet"
Why are you guys like this?
They aren't actual Gankerners, they're a Discord that links these threads and has guidelines on how to respond to people here
There is a difference between laughing at silly shit and admiring things done with care, skill and passion.
I dont want all things to be treated like a shitpost, SOME things need to be good and done well.
furry drawfags (mostly third worlders) will fucking starve and that is a good thing
>another ai shilling thread
The nft thread must've triggered the lurking indians and chinks.
Nobody cares about your Discord's NFT fetish, gayboy
Language models are also a scam. It won't be tool to tool to finally burry you in riches you low IQ third worlder.
What the fuck are you even saying? You calling anyone else a thirdie is pretty goddamn funny when you jabber on incoherently as often as you do
The subject of the thread isn't NFTs, which is and always was a scam, much like shitcoins were
>corporate shill backpedaling when the lawsuits start and people leave his platforms
Based timmy, CORPORATIONS ARE OUR FRIENDS!
Be right back, going to shove a probe up my ass with the other end streaming directly into xing ping ling ding's brain and langley's HQ
>haha, just forget I was simping for the pajeet marketers, goy!
good morning, sirs
Anyone who opposes AI art exposes themselves as a narccasistic philistine.
why do you keep posting this
whitoids associate all new technology with Indians
>noooo you can't just hoover all that art
retrains their AI without using copyrighted art
>>>>>>>it's exactly the same
still whine about it
Which one, Ganker?
I always have medium rare.
Any of it, who gives a fuck. I swear this shit is the "pineapple on pizza" of the boomer era.
I have yet to meet anyone who likes their steak blue.
Medium or medium rare.
Trick question. A real man only eats cow bones.
>rural area I grew up in had people eating their steaks well-done
>was made to have a childhood of bad steaks
Fuck that bottom shit and anybody who likes it.
Medium, if you enjoy drinking literal animal blood you are a caveman
>If you can't afford to tip... you can't afford to go and eat
Tipping is not legally enforced, so I'm not doing it. The fact that your country doesn't want to pay you a minimum wage is not my problem.
The funny thing that these gays leave out is if a worker doesn't get enough tips to make minimum wage for that day, the business has to make up the difference. They'll probably fire you instead for being a shitty worker, but oh well.
>if you can't afford to pay your employees you can't afford to run your restaurant
Then increase the price of the most commonly purchased menu items a little.
I look forward to the day Skynet happens.
Is this the poo thread?
This video being posted 4 times in one thread is pretty good proof that someone in the anti-AI Discord told them to link it, only they weren't smart enough to see if the others did it first
>post picture on twitter
>picture gets scraped and used in an AI
People really are that retarded, huh?
At that point it makes more sense not to create anything.
Honestly, I say it just weeds out shitty artists just looking for a quick buck and allows those with talent to flourish.
Not just artistic talent but a good creative mind as well. Once you git gud, you can effectively understand what is genuinely appealing to people and create that to garner a large following base.
having an AI being able to spit out an image whenever you want is extremely useful, yes, but ultimately a good artist can never really be replaced due to the fact they'll be that unique.
I think it's the perfect time to go physical. Art is not limited by shitty digital amime cartoons. Do the real stuff.
I want to agree, but my personal experiences in the music industry just make me shake my head. Maybe you are right, but I have never seen people make the "right" decision in regards to this type of tech.
>nooooo don't use art to generate more art, that's immoral!
don't give a fuck
gonna generate my waifus all day erry day
Cute girl, anon
>Artists still pretending that they learnt art, in a bubble, with no direct influence from others work. Be it implicit or explicit.
Time to adapt, the future started over a decade ago, and they were caught sleeping.
so all the AI haters were just chink shills
isn't AI art copyright-free? if so why so much panic? it's not like people will just enter "female with big tits using [anon]'s artstyle" in Stable Diffusion and use the prompts to make money
at worst you'll get some fag claiming the AI to be exclusively their work, which is still annoying I guess
>it's not like people will just enter "female with big _ using [anon]'s artstyle" in Stable Diffusion and use the prompts to make money
thats exactly what they are doing
So is it the gun's fault, or the shooter's?
depends on the local laws
So it's only a matter of legality to you? Not whether it's right or wrong?
The law of the land determines what is right or wrong
Tricky because some believe the gun IS the shooter
Obvious answer is they want commissions and people that can just prompt their own art won't have to do that to get what they want
Looks like Tim went from Chinese shill, to Indian shill, to Chinese shill again. Did the AI companies stop paying him rupees?
All AI art is shit.
>dude what if Warcraft was sci-fi
>dude what if Mona Lisa smoked a blunt
>dude what if Auschwitz but Ghibli style
That's what the Redditors prompt.
>Oh god, they're actually having FUN with it. Jesus Christ.
The people who don't produce anything don't have an imagination.
Shitters love to complain but hate to be tested.
>Auschwitz but dom futas
AI is sounding better by the minute.
>lazy tech grifters and third worlders have no creativity
In other news, the sky is blue and fish swim.
>Dude, what if Kanna from Blaster Master Zero 2 wore a sexy dress?
>complaining about how others choose to use the tool instead of downloading SD or signing on a colab and showing what you'd make
>complaining about others tastes as if that's the entire bastion of what AI can do.
>dude what if the sky but wavy
>Artists learn to draw by eyeballing millions of pieces of art free of charge
>Machines learn to draw by eyeballing millions of art free of charge
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HELP ME COPYRIGHTING LAW SORRY I CALLED YOU FASCIST
Very original take redditor, are you going to quote heckin Picasso "great artists steal" next?
Nobody would call you an artist
Everyone would call you gay
>Being smart and humble enough to realize human creativity is an ilusion is being a redditor
Ok twitter gay, go imagine a color or a shape you never saw and report back
>human creativity is an ilusion
Cant tell if third world shitskin, emotional chud or boomer, anti AI people only have low IQ as a common denominator
Can you explain how creativity is this mystical supernatural force to us?
Well sentience itself is a "mystical supernatural force to us". Are you arguing that cognition is an illusion? Where do you draw the line specifically?
Yes your brain is just processing input data like a very well engineered computer model
But that's just any mammal's brain. Why sentience?
As opposed to what? you think your brain is fundamentally different than your dogs ? its just has more connections
Or worse you think there is a magical soul
>you think your brain is fundamentally different than your dogs?
You think dogs have sentience then?
are you serious right now?
of course they do, which is why chinese are subhuman
I think sentience is a buzzword
At least the definition of sentience you're hinting at, you're too afraid too say "soul" because people will laugh at you for being superstitious but thats what you mean
This guy at least has the balls to be retarded openly
you don't have sentience
all brains are just particularly complex chemical computers
eventually, metal computers will be able to perfectly replicate them or even better
sentience is a cope and so is the soul
you are a biological machine, no different froma robot except for material composition
thought is an electrical current through the neurons in the brain
No. You're an NPC, I have a human soul and god's will in me.
You have a dress on and are a man
you are a philosophical zombie and there is nothing you can do to prove me wrong
in the same way I am also a philosophical zombie, and also how everyone else is one
>god's will in me
thats just your rabbi's cum
I believe it.
>Machines learn to draw
Don't use that word or you'll trigger some autist. The correct terminology is "generate"!
Machines don't have families to feed, they're supposed to be tools.
The problem with the computer generating images is that poos in loos and garden gnomes think this'll allow them to overcome a skill gap of becoming a decent artist or the paywall of hiring a decent on and paying what they're worth. The issue at its root is having something no one thought a machine could replace grow so fast.
Sounds like a supply and demand problem, maybe instead of trying to stifle others you should look at that instead
Whether you're a Stable Diffusion enthusiast or think it's the devil, the fact is artists do have a right to feel threatened by those who see it as a cost-cutting measure among other things.
Life is about more than consoom
and how is that different from all the other times it has happened in human history?
do artists really really deserve to be treated better than the rest of humanity?
kek yeah seething trannies keep spamming pajeets
>>and how is that different from all the other times it has happened in human history?
>do artists really really deserve to be treated better than the rest of humanity?
Machines cutting down on labor? Well that's just a tale as old as time, so I get you on that. How can this not be considered progress? Teaching a computer to generate or reskin an image with whatever style the set-up is trained and customized to do yields limitless potential and sometimes people want to see ideas polished by the artist of their dreams without having to spend upwards a small fortune to get it.
To be perfectly honest, this is kind of what I wanted to happen. Though it still needs more work to grow on. Artists still have a right to eat, even if I don't always agree on their business practices in this post "know your worth" world when I'm expected to pay someone who couldn't make a decent scribble of Tifa Lockhart the same amount I would someone who'd draw her in a full swimsuit worthy of a playboy spread. It's hard to say if style replication is stolen work since some of the best results might come from mixing artists in via LoRAs so even if people like Samdoesart, Borvar or Khyle may have a right to bitch about the machine sampling from their work to make things they wouldn't do, I'd sooner put common curiosity on a pedestal before an artist and err on the side of those who weren't able to get their money's worth out of artists like this and see this as justice being served in a twisted way.
Perhaps the trend of AI generated images can be a humbling experience rather than a contentious and insidious one.
>Machines don't have families to feed
neither do you childless chud
Anon, just because I'm speaking contrary to my interests for the sake of perspective does not mean I'm against further development nor the potential of AI art.
im with you we need to stop this photography technology its going to kill all the painter jobs
he's right, but currently there is no way to stop it. maybe if there was a decentralized ledger that ai developers had to comply with...
Why does he talk like a turn of the century newspaperman?
>artist sees art
>artists draws new image based on seen art
>this is good
>ai sees art
>ai draws new image based on seen art
>this is bad
>b-but muh creativity/soul/orifinality/etc
all creations are inspired on something else and use other things as base, nothing "original" exists, everything comes from memory and their perceptible surroundings
if you argue that this is creativity then ai is capable of creativity too, replacing memory with database and you have the exact same thing
are we supossed to sue artists for seeing any copyrighted image once
are we supossed to add censoring filters so no one can look at copyrighted art and thus introduce it in their memory/database
>ai is capable of creativity too
I have yet to see proof of this.
zero reading comprehension
im arguins that humans don't have creativity because creativity as a concept does not exist when nothing is original and formed from already existing ideas and concepts assimilated from their surroundings
You should proofread your own arguments anon.
>if you argue that this is creativity
I accept this and, repeating myself here, have yet to see the AI equivalent of human 'creativity'
BECAUSE THERES NO "HUMAN" CREATIVITY MORON
THATS WHY ITS IN QUOTATION MARKS ANON
>im arguins that humans don't have creativity because creativity as a concept does not exist when nothing is original and formed from already existing ideas and concepts assimilated from their surroundings
this simply isnt true and you are moving the goalposts
Stop responding to pajeet bots
That's what the "arguments" expressed against AI in these threads and elsewhere sound like.
It's an anti-AI schizo who is either manually spamming that shit or set up a bot. Either way, so much for human expression or complex thought. The irony is fucking palpable.
ai is incapable of creativity and humans are incapable of creativity how can you not get this
That's just semantics, unless you're unironically arguing that art itself does not exist.
you like arguing with your self homo?
What if i said your AI images are just boring and uninteresting.
>ai is capable of creativity too,
You need to know the difference between "aesthetics" and "creativity."
Emulating an artist is a cool trick I'll admit but creativity would be guided choices like having a car that can transform into a plane or a diving suit that makes you look like a mermaid. AI can not consistently handle these abstract concepts in a way that isn't a mutated horror show.
true, people should learn how to make checkpoints and embeddings themselves, rather than relying on some company
Any good guides?
This should be relatively normie-friendly
>you're not allowed to make your AI useful
fuck off sweeney, if you used AI, you'd actually make your first nice looking game
Lol, he probably got letters from disney and pussying out
seriously though, how is this supposed to help your point?
you are just exposing yourself as a desperate chud with no actual arguments, and the post cooldown makes it crystal clear
this just reminds me that india is spending millions trying to get their population to use a toilet and failing
Looks like ol' Timmy decided not to redeem the card.
why is Tim such a gay
he's doing exact shit as chinese government
>accuse others of some terrible thing
>do it yourself all the time and lie with straight face
>try to gaslight everyone and create false image of you being the only good guy
i hate this soulless fucking gay like you wouldn't believe
>he's doing exact shit as chinese government
Guess who owns 40% of Epic Games?
i know, he's learning from his masters
or rather doing what they tell him to do, dunno. either way he is an insufferable gay
He wants the money from both the poos and the bugmen. He stuck with the poos until the lawsuits showed up.
you guys weren't this anti-AI when Elevenlabs was popular
Turning hitler into an anime girl or making celebrities say moron is funny.
Doesn't mean I want this tech to replace things done by actual artists, composers or voice actors.
>Doesn't mean I want this tech to replace things done by actual artists, composers or voice actors.
At this point I think it's an inevitability. It's just a matter of how long it's going to take.
Nah. People thought photos would make paintings obsolete too.
You can't replicate artstyles with photography.
When photography first emerged it could do exactly that.
You're missing the point that people thought photographs were going to put artists out of work and now it's a tool for it.
Though it's a stretch to suggest people will use AI as a tool and even then, AI generated images are not flawless to work from as reference since mutations, extra limbs and impossible buildings are prone to show up.
>You're missing the point that people thought photographs were going to put artists out of work and now it's a tool for it.
That too, but my actual point was that artists simply moved on from (photo-)realism similar to how they will move on from derivative digital art in the wake of AI generatives.
I know normies like goyslop, but fuck normies.
I have no interest in consooming infinite mass generated content for entertainment, that too lowly even for someone who jerks it to anime and plays videogames.
There is a point where the standards can get way TOO low and that's it.
Good morning, sirs
Don't care. Changs and Pajeets should just kill each other.
Tiananmen Square, do not redeem the card.
>WHY DID YOU REDEEM IT!?
tfw andrew yang was talking about this 7 years ago and no one took him seriously
Good morning, sirs.
>just arbitrarily limit AI for years because feelings
doesn't make sense when you're using a small towns worth of power to make models while everyones power bill is going through the fucking roof for having a light on.
>just legally limit AI for years because property laws
fuck IP laws. copywrite is the death of humanity. if you don't believe me try to build a spaceship, no nasa tech allowed whatsoever, its within the last 50 years...
I thought property was theft?
Ironically AI fags ITT are arguing for both of these.
Speaking of indians, whats the real reason they're afraid of using toilets and instead shit in their own streets?
The ironic thing is that AI would unironically generate more original posts than all the fuckers in this thread spamming "pajeets" over and over and over.
Lefties are better at putting people to sleep with their attempts at humor than they are at actually making anyone laugh, especially considering all they do is steal jokes from Gankerners
He's only saying the reasonable thing. Don't see why everyone is making a big deal of it. If you disagree you're a pirate chud.
Who make for the best shills: kenyans, chinese, indians, or koreans?
Discord chud lefties
Indians because they're the ones connected to the biggest tech companies
>1 minute apart
we can see you, malding chud
All me =^)
Gihesh get out of computer and help clean the loo
DO NOT REDEEM
all me btw
DO NOT REDEEM THE NAME!
Good morning sirs
How long until Valve says the same thing and Timmy pulls a 180?
>Using everyones art to train your AI (for porn mostly) = BAD
>Using everyones voice to train your AI (for meme and porn purposes mostly) = BAD
>Using everyones code to train github co-pilot (Microsoft) = GOOD
AI is good if it's for menial, non-visual things.
Why limit things?
For fairness, uwu.
Very equitable, sister
Or its good when youre stealing from well paid white professionals that people desperately want to get rid of...
But to steal from some lesbos and other adult daycare "people" that provide society with nothing useful
NONONO thats too far! Now its a moral dilemma!
Yes indeed, let whitey starve. That'll teach his unrelated brethren and descendants for events they had no way of controlling while I without a shred of irony will be selectively oblivious to the descendants of said victims perpetuating cruelty by different but still ill-minded means in the name of justice which in practice sounds more like entitlement.
But if you make my ugmo tumblr drawings I charge 799$ a pop for a head/bust obsolete, you're the real thief of joy.
implying you can stop it
we cant even stop big tech harvesting our personal data and selling it
fucking matrix as is
It's understandable why some people praise the machine.
Like that Emma Watson-fag on Ganker who just wants to remember when she was at her prime and not when she became a cracked-up cat lady with her eggs doomed to rot.
veganism is a hell of a drug lmao, they age like spoiled milk
> thousand cock stare
if only it can suck my cock
Why DID he redeem it when he was told not to?
What a gay lol
I can't wait for artists to become completely obsolete.
I can't wait for anon to refute his point
If people can do use art for inspiration, AIs should be able to too, after all, you put that art out on the internet in the first place
Can AI come up with something original though?
>after all, you put that art out on the internet in the first place
Yeah fair enough.
Even if the presentation is hollow, it's still trying with the notes it's given.
I fucking hate GPT's writing style, it's like a mix of 6th grader school essay and promotional brochure. But you're right about it putting things into its own words even if stylistically it's not quite there yet.
Maybe Elon's unpozzed version will be better
Can humans come up with something original though?
How do you define what's original and what isn't?
not made by an ai. its that simple
>How do you define what's original and what isn't?
As things are today, an AI may write the summary of what happened, but a person can write the experience of how it happened and in what order of events they choose to tell it.
Experience is just processing data though? hows that original?
If it wasn't there'd be no original thing ever.
fiction is derivative of nonfiction
because there are no "original" things
"originality" does not exist
>If it wasn't there'd be no original thing ever.
Yes? welcome to rational modern philosophy and understanding of how the human brain works
You are trained with input data from 6 senses and whatever life experience you had, AI as it stands now is trained with text
What happens when AI is trained with a wider variety of data than (You) and process more information than you can in a lifetime ?
You're not making a coherent argument other than "chatgtp is not AGI" which we all know
>AI art isn't there yet but it could be one day
Wait I thought this thread was about the current thing and not hypotheticals
wrong, this thread is about philosophy and the nature of human soul/mind when compared to artificial intelligence sufficiently advanced enough to perfectly replicate our definition of it
Yeah, I'm inclined to believe in a materialist, computable conception of the universe, which would imply the possibility of AGI, but it's far from a given that scaling current paradigms will solve the problem.
You seem to think just because I'm addressing AI's flaws that it's peaked at development. I'm not. I'm only speaking of the technology and axioms that are available now. Someone could just as easily make a discovery that turns what we know about AI on its head tomorrow but right now it's not very fruitful to discussion to hinge on maybes and somedays. That's just pie in the sky thinking.
technological singularity 2050
You're missing the forest for the trees.
The whole point is that AI can only think inside the box based on what concepts it's trained to understand or how the prompts are manipulated. Abstract concepts make a huge difference in execution that allows something to be original. AI struggles to think outside what it's trained to do. Maybe it's not impossible that doesn't mean it will do so effectively or cohesively.
humans just have a bigger box
Human's boxes are modular by choice. What they know expands and when they break the rules, they do so in a way that's mindful of the conventions they pick up.
AI working outside the box is just mistakes and visual jank that may not always be endearing.
>AI struggles to think outside what it's trained to do.
And so do humans. A lack of personal experience really shows when it comes to any form of creation.
Humans can overcome that struggle though.
because we're programmed/coded that way
if ai was too, it also could, but right now it's not advanced enough
By adquiring experience (data) do you not understand what you're saying?
Why can't computers do the same?
They can you imbecile
>AI struggles to think outside what it's trained to do.
>And so do humans.
In this context adquiring experience = training
What is your disability?
Determination is a romanticized meme
Current AI systems are actually measurably far, far worse at this than humans. Current models need far more training data than humans to adapt to novel tasks. I recommend looking up Francois Chollets paper The Measure of Intelligence and the ARC test introduced with it.
This is arguably the very core of the problem AGI would have to solve, of course - but as it stands, AGI is purely speculative.
The thing is humans can be trained reliably if they stick to what they're taught.
An AI that has been trained on images and anatomical structure will still fuck those up in a way a human wouldn't outside intention.
We have millions of years filled with raw evolutionary training, it's not a fair comparison.
yet ai still imrpoves with each update so that means it hasn't hit the ceiling yet
You're right, development is the only guarantee we have that will yield better results so maybe in 3 or 5 years I'll be eating crow. Possibly less time than that.
because our experiences dont solely consist of text in / image out. humans have an unfair advantage in training data. AI is a baby that can learn later.
you think youre saying theyre fundamentally different but youre just saying that its in infancy. its like arguing that the sword is superior forever because muskets now suck.
Even with img2img, shit can get screwed up.
>AI can only think inside the box
kinda like you
Nothing says original thinker quite like consooming AI-generated goyslob
ma'am can you listen to me?!
don't bother stopping chud, i'm making another AI art thread after this one dies just to make you keep working overtime
Don't care about artists, I'm pro AI.
it's insane how buttblasted mad AI makes some people, we got some mindbroken chud over here posting about pajeets non stop as his way of coping
It's sorting out the artists who love to draw and the average at best artists who can't be fuck to improve.
As someone who uses Stable Diffusion a lot, the people who are legitimately concerned about AI art cutting into their profits deserve sympathy. People gotta eat, after all
The people who just spam "PAJEET PAJEET PAJEET YOU WILL NEVER BE A REAL ARTIST" with no other arguments are annoying as hell, though.
they have another thread in the catalog right now, i would spam it with pajeets but seeing it gave me a panic attack
i feel like there is something wrong with this but, on the other hand, most of the "artistic" types i know are commie retards so they should be in favor of the masses being given equal access to art
That's the funniest thing about it, they're become full blown hardline capitalists overnight when it comes to AI. I mean, nobody expects a leftist to be honest or non-hypocritical, but still
What can I donate to to help ensure artists lose and AI wins?
Thats the fun part
All you have to do is fucking nothing for that to happen
Just support the artists you like and smaller artists you think have potential. I've spent a lot on gumroad, fanbox and patreon over the years supporting the artists I like because I think it's a good use of my money.
If I pirate their art using Kemonoparty, can I take money out of their wallets?
Dis someone actually made money out of NFTs before it all went to shit?
AI sounds like a good scheme to scam some idiots while is still new, I'd like to make a quick buck before it all implodes
How is that relevant at all. Why'd you mention NFTs?
Make youtube videos about how to make money with AI, aka the shovel seller strategy, the best way to make money with gold.
A good number of retards will give you some clicks.
Funny considering epic games is literal spyware that runs in the background and hoovers up all of yours.
Would Ganker be open to a Stable Diffusion thread where we post vidya-related prompts?
Good luck enforcing that retard
Sweeney must be absolutely braindead, cause that's the same as expecting police to be able to arrest people who pick illegal mushrooms in fuck off nowhere
>Epic Games CEO says
Why did Tim wanted to steal Valve's thunder in the first place? It's clear he doesn't give a fuck about PC gaming and I'm not sure if just "greed" is enough to justify being this retarded.
Abortnite became huge and he needed to show growth on quarterly report so he started EGS to have something for investors.
All right, that makes sense.
Its funny how much this hack is trying to pretend how much he cares about the customer and VALVE BAD
Its all posturing in the end
it really is extremely obvious Sweeney gives no shits in regards to customers purely due to his actions in comparison to what valve has done.
>invests in linux gaming
>created/funded a compatibility layer for linux to make windows games compatible with linux
>made their own linux OS
>made steam deck
>effectively produced a lot of support for linux gaming which can undermine Microsoft's monopoly on the OS marketplace.
>store front stagnating in regards to its development
>is preventing Easy anti-cheat from having a linux compatible version that works which prevents a lot of games from working on linux
>actively promotes Microsoft's operating system and bashes linux
>actively promotes stagnation
>only promotes the 15% meme so they can save/make more money
Epic really is just a bad company that's only being supported by Unreal Engine. Once its dead, then the company is 100% following after.
>allows AI """art""" on artstation
imagine thinking the world is a romance novel and that metaphors are reality
"imagine" "thinking" that you're actually capable of thinking or imagining things, and aren't just tricking yourself into believing so
Does Epic even care about consumers? afaik their entire plan of action is publisher focused. The only thing worth mentioning is the free weekly game, which in reality is a payoff to the publisher
how can you guys not get this
take for example the chinese room
isn't the brain of the person just another iteration of the chinese room within
we only simulate and pretend to understand on the outside, bht there's nothing inside
therefore, strong AI is the exact same as a human intelligence
WHAT IF BIRD
WOWEE ZOWEE HOMER AM ORIGINAL
AI CANNOT COMPETE
Corporations will own nothing and be happy
poojeet ai moron shill thread #35824634675476457547
I'M DILATING AS HARD AS I CAN SISTERS, BUT THE THREAD ISN'T GOING AWAY. WHY ISN'T IT WORKING
It is genuinely hilarious that AI-morons are so fucking dumb they don't understand that corporations are the ones who will abuse these tools.
>they don't understand that corporations are the ones who will abuse these tools.
We know that's likely to happen, but that doesn't mean the machine should disappear. Most artists are just narcissists that plateaued on their methods and skill too early anyway
doesn't matter, corporations will soon be overtaken by AIs capable of doing the executives job a dozen times better than any human, and workers will also be replaced with tireless automatons controlled by the same AIs
Who maintains the automatons?
Then who maintains them?
sufficiently advanced automatons will maintain and improve themselves as extensions of the AI
do you need help from somebody else to shove food into your mouth? retard
>be a surgeon
>get diagnosed with a brain tumor
>have to die because surgeons aren't allowed to get surgeries from other surgeons
oh no, ai generated slop instead of handcrafted slop
>that corporations are the ones who will abuse these tools.
As opposed to which tools that are not gatekeeped by capital?
Do you own the means of production of your everyday products?
true, these kinds of tools must be able to be used by the average consumer without being monitored by a corp
AI threads always, without fail, end up devolving into cancer
Why is that
Discord chuds, obviously
As an artist myself, I see at least several pros of this whole AI thing
>traditional art will get more appreciation that digital one, fucking finally
>mindless coomer printing press has been a cancer of digital art for years, now people finally will have to make STORIES/ideas and pour themselves into the art they make, i.e. they'll start becoming better art-ists and will have to compete with AI which will undeniable raise their quality bar - just like when traditional art made several breakthroughs in a row after photography has been invented
>it will help with tedious mechanical work for pro-artists which can now focus on other aspects of their work, just like when 2d artists started implementing 3d tools
It's all for the best, and filtered fags can stay filtered. Adapt and survive.
but anon you don't understand, AI is bad because I won't be able to sell my furry diaper porn for $75 a pop anymore 🙁
okay I would read this kotaku article
Ironically, furries are the most likely to keep paying for art even if AI could do all the shit they want.
They were the first ones to gatekeep AI art out, other art communities like Newsgrounds, gelbooru and reddit followed just after.
>As an artist myself
Post your work
>it will help with tedious mechanical work for pro-artists which can now focus on other aspects of their work, just like when 2d artists started implementing 3d tools
This is what gets me. So many artchuds are outing themselves as incompetent artists by complaining about the tech that is best utilized by real artists with real imagination and composition skills. Stuff like region control and controlNet are making diffusion AI less prompt RNG oriented and more about taking useful art skills and making it more involved with the process.
That's been my take from the start honestly, it's a good tool in the right hands like an advanced form of collage crossbred with generation. What's funny is the retards ITT who think computer generated art will topple human creativity as we know it.
Fun fact - UI art (as in icons and shit) has been hated by artists for a very long time and is still considering a pit from which you can't really climb up as a pro since no one fucking wants to do it.
I unironically wanted to be an UX designer at a point of my life.
I got into architecture instead, but it's not That boring of a field IMO.
Dodged a bullet here my guy.
>all this talk about true intelligence, originality and how the brain works
why do low iq retards even argue about shit they don't understand? stick to your artists btfo "discussion" and meme spam, that's all you lot are good for
Anon, how can you not tell by now tell that these threads are just a bunch of pajeet chatbots regurgitating the same shilling points?
it's not about shilling, the point is that it has to be free
The matter is rather simple really. You can't use any images as training data unless the owner of that image has explicitly agreed to it. The image being available online is not consent to use the image for training AIs, or for anything other than just looking at it with your two human eyes. Everything else needs a separate written contract.
>don't put a licence on your art
>noooo you can't use my art!!
>humans started to question what exactly makes them human
Adorable, meatbags, simply adorable.
Where did this forced meme that people from India support AI come from?
I dont think there is a single AI lab of note in india and Indian people are extremely religious by western standards
Logically the average Indian opinion about AI should be on the luddite side
>apples store is better than epic, ITS NOT FAIR!!!
>steam store is better than epic, ITS NOT FAIR!!!
>ai can draw better than my nepotism artist hire, ITS NOT FAIR!!!
Why does this fag feel the need to wake up every single morning to cry and whine about something?
>can AI think? boring and uninteresting question
>can humans think? now that's what I'm talking about
AI has the potential to think consistently but its current, known form of execution isn't reliable.
Humans have the potential to execute tasks reliably but their capacity to think can be shit.
>YOU CAN'T MAKE GAMES WITH AI!
Why do you pajeets love shilling this NFT mobile shit?
You're the only one talking about NFTs, chud
>F2P game with NFTs
AImorons are such fags.
two years ago in summer there was a busker that only played two very simple songs on violin with a speaker adding other instruments. for weeks the same basic songs with no actual improvement. that's the talent level I associate with most artists trying for commissions that are angry about AI art, getting just skilled enough to beg for money for their mediocrity.
> Someone playing songs straight out of Spotfy on a speaker, sets up a hat just right next to the violinist
> Gets mad that the violinist beggar with his two songs makes 30x more and gets more attention and praise than he does.
it was the same dude, watched him pick up and put down the speaker, same piano carrying his violin the whole time.
>violinist beggar makes 30x more
lol if ai isn't a threat why complain about it?
>homeless woman who just sits there
>homeless man/poor man busking his heart out with a ukulele
> but my music is better
> but you are not playing it yourself retard.
That makes all the difference.
>AI cant replace human creativity
Here is what a professional creator that is worth 20 million dollars can do
Feeling silly yet AI nerds?
artistsisters..... how do we respond???? it's so over.....