>every action, good or bad, gives chaos power. >every emotion, thought, and idea gives chaos power

>every action, good or bad, gives chaos power
>every emotion, thought, and idea gives chaos power
>if chaos loses it wins anyway because whatever happens they get buffed by it
So what's the point of playing any of the established scenarios for this where you fight chaos if in the game world chaos wins and you're actually just serving it all along anyway?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What's the point of doing anything when you'll eventually die?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This is about WFRP, not RL.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        No, it's about both.
        You would know, if you played the game and finally stop living in mom's basement.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >whats the point of me going to work if the sun is going to just blow up
      nihilists should kill themselves

      why is chaos always defended by atheisanons who go "there's no point to life rl but we live anyway", like regardless of what you believe that is not a good defense of shit like
      >hooray we killed this demon of tzeench we might can win this
      >ehehehe your hope actually makes me stronger and actually i planned for that demon to die because i changed reality so you'd be born so i could suck in your hope in this moment and laugh at you. nothin personal kid.
      >ps i have infinitium demons

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        because they're "alt-rock muh metal hair" cuckolds who haven't done anything with their lives so their only personality trait is nihilism

        chaos fanwank is literally for trannies and mental patients

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >"alt-rock muh metal hair" cuckolds
          God, those are almost as bad LARPing Christcucks

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Before anyone says this is an exaggeration I'd like to point out there's an officially published campaign for WFRP 1st ed where Tzeench sets the PCs up to be born so they can do a scheme for him, and if they survive to the end which requires doing basically everything frame perfect, the main suggested ending of 3 is to have them all immediately die, no saves or anything, because that's the price of trying to defy Chaos's uninterrupted victory. The Tzeench scheme works anyway, and the author called this the "proper" ending.

        The other two, a happy ending where the plot is foiled which the writer called "banal and cowardly", and another where Tzeench just sends the group back in time and resets the world so none of it ever happened.

        Personally I don't know how much of a pegging enthusiast you'd have to be to find that fun, at least the "proper" ending.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          This is what happens when midwit spergs try to write “serious” stories, they’re so culturally bankrupt and disconnected from actual literature that they think being miserable and edgy for its own sake makes something deep. All those works of literature with tragic endings are also surpassingly beautiful and the tragedy arises more naturally from difficult aspects of reality. This kind of edgelord evil-wank just proves that nerds deserve to be bullied, they’re not smarter than non-nerds people, just more obsessive

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >like regardless of what you believe that is not a good defense
        Yes, it is. Just don't play anything Warhammer-related if you don't get it.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          "you die rl" isn't a defense of

          [...]
          why is chaos always defended by atheisanons who go "there's no point to life rl but we live anyway", like regardless of what you believe that is not a good defense of shit like
          >hooray we killed this demon of tzeench we might can win this
          >ehehehe your hope actually makes me stronger and actually i planned for that demon to die because i changed reality so you'd be born so i could suck in your hope in this moment and laugh at you. nothin personal kid.
          >ps i have infinitium demons

          if you believe life has no point so you think that's fine, that's based on your beliefs and no more objective than me using my beliefs to defend/attack it too

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >that's based on your beliefs and no more objective than me using my beliefs to defend/attack it too
            Utterly delusional. Believing in magic is not equally rational to not believing in magic.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Believing nothing exists beyond what we immediately observe physically is irrational imo.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        because the application of your nihilism to real life exposes it as the hollow fricking shell it is
        if an inevitable end is enough for you to believe things are pointless have a nice day and save us from your incessant whining

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Okay that's cool and all, but the immediate harm that the daemon was going to do at that moment in time has been prevented and even if this somehow benefits Tzeentch in the long run, I still did some immediate good and people who would have otherwise died get to live for a while longer. A town that might have been wiped off of the map gets to exist for a while longer. Hopes and dreams and lives that could have been snuffed out get to enjoy existence for a while longer.

        Learn to savour the small victories, frickboy.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          learn to lose homosexual

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >I still did some immediate good
          No you didn't, because Chaos let you do it and that success empowers them more.
          >get to enjoy existence for a while longer
          You mean they get to feed the Chaos gods for a while longer which is why they aren't dead already.
          >Learn to savour the small victories
          There are no victories in the way WFRP is written, except for Chaos.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Cool, in that case I win and Chaos win simultaneously and these people who I saved from Chaos get to enjoy living for a while longer. Everyone wins.

            What's the problem?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Why are you calling other people atheists when you're the one shitting your pants over a setting where there's an omnipotent and omniscient god and everything is according to his plan no matter what happens?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Touche

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Touche

          probably because belief in gods doesn't equate to a belief in fate you giant moron

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Are you claiming that God isn't omnipotent and omniscient? Well, aren't you a fedoralord?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              having faith doesn't even need a belief in a deity

              I can see you spent a lot of time cumming on cookies and being raped in catholic school, but the world of belief is a big place

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Doing things IRL doesn't actively feed some supernatural entity that will violently destroy, consume, and torment everything in the universe

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >he doesn't know
        NGMI

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >source

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Stop listening to chaosgays, and understand that a lot of the in-universe stuff is written by biased sources.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >So what's the point of playing any of the established scenarios for this where you fight chaos if in the game world chaos wins and you're actually just serving it all along anyway?
    Because you can have a fun game.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    That's the delusional cope followers of chaos believe, not the actual truth. In reality it's pretty much the direct opposite, chaos "gods" are minor deities with very little power that are only allowed to exist because Order (aka true) Gods are opposed to the idea of changing the status quo of the world, and chaotic petty-gods existing is a part of said status quo.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I thought even the elves thought the "good" gods were just additional manifestations of the realm of magic.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >whats the point of me going to work if the sun is going to just blow up
    nihilists should kill themselves

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The setting would get less dangerous and more boring if there was a way to actually contain chaos for good.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      With there being no way to defeat chaos even temporarily and with it being basically all-powerful it's also boring imo.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >With there being no way to defeat chaos even temporarily and with it being basically all-powerful
        Neither of those things are true.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      chaos is literally contained because of the high elves with their magic vortex you giant moron

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        not him but the vortex doesn't mean shit apparently, not just in end times but even before. if it only took 4 greater demons to kill aenarion and chaos had 4,000,000,000,000,000,000 ^ 500,000 greater demons on standby it could drop in at any time, it stands to reason they didn't actually care about the vortex or its consequences. they could still flood the world with warriors and demons and corruption afterward anyway. shit, the chaos books that mention the vortex don't even give it credit, they say shit like
        >the elves did a pathetic, ineffective ritual while chaos doomed the entire world

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >ET nulore
          chaoswank is gay and I don't read it

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            that's not ET lore

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              army books always tried to be glowing towards the faction they featured
              chaoswank is shit and chaos needed the storms to invade properly
              you dumb gay

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                i agree that it's shit and it's dumb but i'm saying it's the default lore because it is. so do most people just ignore it?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                chaosfanwankers ruined the setting so they don't matter and their opinions are dogshit

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. Ignore this shit and make your own lore in your head.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It doesn't need to be something easily obtainable, or even fully explained. It just needs to be a possibility. That tiny seed of hope that makes the darkness seem that much more oppressive, because at any moment that hope might be snuffed out.

      Maybe one of the Temple Cities really does have a way to shut down the Polar Gates. Maybe there is some magic ritual that would drive back the Chaos Wastes. Maybe there is an ancient Rune that could repel corruption.

      Without that chance, the setting becomes truly stagnant. Nothing matters, Chaos always wins. 40K got this right at least. Humanity might have been royally fricked, but maybe, just maybe, there was a chance they could drive back the darkness. Mind you, the whole setting then imploded thanks to Cadia falling but that should be disregarded.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I agree with all of this but 40k's no better in that regard, especially after the Horus Heresy books. But yeah, while I hate hopeless settings in general, I'd be okay with the setting if it was "chaos might win" or even "chaos will probably win" instead of "chaos will definitely win" which is just writer bias factionwank.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    go clap in Ponies RPG then, gay

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How to fix WFRP.
    >chaos isn't timeless or eternal, the chaos gods came into existence when the world was created
    >no multiverse, no 40k shit, no aos shit, fantasy is it
    >demons aren't infinite and creating them requires a chaos god to expend a portion of its power, and they take so long to reform that it's not just no big deal when one dies
    >demons can be permakilled
    >the non-chaos gods are powerful themselves, lacking the same primal vigor of the chaos gods based on emotion but being able to focus their power more effectively
    >chaos gods don't receive buffs from everything equally, i.e. an orc or ulrican killing his enemies empowers gork/mork/ulric more than it empowers khorne, hope in sigmar's deliverance empowers sigmar more than tzeentch
    >the chaos gods don't know everything or control the flow of time/reality, not everything that ever happens is because tzeentch planned it
    >chaos isn't guaranteed to win, it's likely to win because people can become corrupted and evil easily, but it's not a foregone conclusion
    And Morr's your uncle, you're left with a setting that's still grim and perilous, but not a nihilistic chaos frickfest.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That's literally what they did in Age of Sigmar

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Afaik AoS didn't change the fundamental aspects of chaos. It's still immortal, timeless, all knowing, infinite, etc., and from what I remember even Archaon's stronger than any other god and can/will kill them.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          AoS timeline ends with Nagash victory and it's only a metter of prolonging it, because it might be next thursday or might be trillion years from now. Either way he is actually unkillable, not sustained by lives of mortals like Chaos, and chaos can't do shit about him long term

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >nagash has had the shit beaten out of him by archaon multiple times
            >archaon could kill him if the chaos gods ordered it but they don't because they think he's funny

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >acktually choas is in fact the strongestest!
              >this homosexual cosmic entity could beat that one!
              do you gays ever realize how gay this is

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I agree it's gay as frick, and I don't see why people put up with shit like it or

                [...]

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I just realized how bad warhammer names are, holy shit
      >gork/mork/ulric
      Gork and Mork would be fine but them being combinee and in the same "ork" pantheon make them absolute trash. Ulric is ok.
      >sigmar
      This one is fine
      >tzeentch
      What the frick is this lmao. Sounds like something a 13yo came up with

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Warhammer isn't a serious setting. Or wasn't as it was being developed

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      New idea: Make your own setting

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >How to fix WFRP.
      >the non-chaos gods are powerful themselves, lacking the same primal vigor of the chaos gods based on emotion but being able to focus their power more effectively
      How about just adding the Law gods and end the discussion?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They are already a thing.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >They are already a thing.
          ????
          I don't think they were "officially" introduced in the Warhammer universe apart from some minimal and veiled indication of existence.
          Also, even if they do exist, they were nearly powerless, like

          They should, or at least be able to challenge them, but the law gods we had and the replacement gods we got after are weak to the point of not being gods at all. They can't do anything let alone fight chaos. 8ed retcons sigmar into being an egotistic and physically weak coward, liar, and manipulator who gets snapped into a portal by tzeentch who laughs at him, and he's THE foremost anti-chaos godm

          says, with even Sigmar having more influence in the WF world.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That doesn't fix the issue of the chaos gods being so infinitely far beyond them to the point of nihilism. Nonchaos gods are in the mariana trench. Chaos gods are in the andromeda galaxy. They need brought closer together, nonchaos risen, chaos lowered.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >How about just adding the Law gods
        But they would be able to defeat Chaos Gods, and this is unacceptable.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          They should, or at least be able to challenge them, but the law gods we had and the replacement gods we got after are weak to the point of not being gods at all. They can't do anything let alone fight chaos. 8ed retcons sigmar into being an egotistic and physically weak coward, liar, and manipulator who gets snapped into a portal by tzeentch who laughs at him, and he's THE foremost anti-chaos godm

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >8ed retcons sigmar into being an egotistic and physically weak coward, liar, and manipulator
            No, it very much doesn't.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >No, it very much doesn't.
              We aren't intrested in your headcanon.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Meant for

                They should, or at least be able to challenge them, but the law gods we had and the replacement gods we got after are weak to the point of not being gods at all. They can't do anything let alone fight chaos. 8ed retcons sigmar into being an egotistic and physically weak coward, liar, and manipulator who gets snapped into a portal by tzeentch who laughs at him, and he's THE foremost anti-chaos godm

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Meant for you actually.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              It very much does. He never kills any monsters, he never fights any demons, he's b***hslapped by Nagash and only wins by tricking him, gets b***hslapped by Archaon, gets punked by Tzeentch, and as a mortal Chaos only doesn't kill him because they get bored and frick off just as they're about to. Sigmar is shown as being fully in it for himself and the Empire's founding is to get money and devotion from people despite him hating and looking down on everyone.

              sources: 8ed, end times, time of legends books

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                see

                >No, it very much doesn't.
                We aren't intrested in your headcanon.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >official gw books
                >headcanon
                it'd odd how you defend the lore as a whole but actually only your specific selection of it, which is based but dont act like all the canon is good

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >official gw books
                Posted where? You only posted headcanon and lied about it being from books, but we made it abundantly clear here

                >No, it very much doesn't.
                We aren't intrested in your headcanon.

                that we don't care about your headcanon.

                >They are already a thing.
                ????
                I don't think they were "officially" introduced in the Warhammer universe apart from some minimal and veiled indication of existence.
                Also, even if they do exist, they were nearly powerless, like [...] says, with even Sigmar having more influence in the WF world.

                >I don't think they were "officially" introduced
                I don't think you've read anything about warhammer

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >official gw books
                >Posted where?
                Lmao.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Do you have problems with understanding english?

                Back up your shit (you can't because you're making shit up) or accept being called a liar pushing his headcanon.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >keeps saying others are lying
                >keeps saying wfrp doesn't specifically include a blurb saying chaos will win
                lol

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It'd almost be a hint of interesting if this wasn't also an edition that enforces the Liber Chaotica and end times as being canon, and refers to the Law gods as "spent". Way to frick it up C7.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >an edition that enforces the Liber Chaotica
                every edition does, that's been the basic metaphysics of the setting since it resembled anything remotely like a setting
                >and end times as being canon
                the rpg is set before, not during, not after, it doesn't enforce anything here
                >and refers to the Law gods as "spent".
                alluminas invoked by wizards, daora with a heir in venera, priests of solkan with prayers included in the book, a plothook to free arianka, an indication of lizards understanding the gods of law... it's almost as if the term "spent" isn't used literally.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >basic metaphyiscs
                Yes, that everything that exists is controlled by and empowers 4 evil tards.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No, that's not what it says, you're encouraged to pass middle school and then to read the book.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                see

                >No, it very much doesn't.
                We aren't intrested in your headcanon.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                meant for

                >basic metaphyiscs
                Yes, that everything that exists is controlled by and empowers 4 evil tards.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Actually

                >No, it very much doesn't.
                We aren't intrested in your headcanon.

                meant for

                No, that's not what it says, you're encouraged to pass middle school and then to read the book.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >meant for

                No, that's not what it says, you're encouraged to pass middle school and then to read the book.


                *

                meant for [...]

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >No, that's not what it says
                Yes, that's what it says.
                >but context
                Doesn't matter when the writers OOCly say that's how it is. Canonically you have two choices, the 80s up to pre 8e version where all the non-chaos gods are actually just fragments of the chaos gods duping mortals for kicks (confirmed by Gav Thorpe), or the 8e-aos-present version where the non-chaos gods are real but are completely powerless and will die to chaos.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You keep posting your headcanon and not answering the questions

                Who forced you to enter warhammer threads? who forced you to read warhammer fluff? what other threads on /tg/ were you enjoying before the evil warhammer fan shoved his game down your throat?
                no, seriously, what games do you even play?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You keep trying to change the subject, but you can't change the fact WH lore is pure shit.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >lore
                but you keep posting your headcanon and are trying to get away from the questions, again

                Who forced you to enter warhammer threads? who forced you to read warhammer fluff? what other threads on /tg/ were you enjoying before the evil warhammer fan shoved his game down your throat?
                no, seriously, what games do you even play?

                answer them, mongoloid

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >but you keep posting your headcanon
                >Official GW books.
                >headcanon.
                Nice.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                answer the questions, what threads did you browse before warhammer shoved its fluff into your throat, what game were you playing until /tg/ interrupted you to force you to read and talk about warhammer in their general threads?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't think you've read anything about warhammer
                I know they were introduced in the first editions, but they were also quickly abandoned and never discussed. Apart from brief nods and cameos, they're basically non-existing and non-influential to the general plot.
                When was the last time you saw a faction worshiping a Law God?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >He never kills any monsters
                wrong
                >he never fights any demons
                wrong
                >he's b***hslapped by Nagash
                wrong
                >and only wins by tricking him
                *outsmarting and beating with a hammer
                >gets b***hslapped by Archaon
                wrong, sigmar overpowered him and threw him down a portal
                >gets punked by Tzeentch
                wrong
                >and as a mortal Chaos only doesn't kill him because they get bored and frick off just as they're about to.
                wrong
                >Sigmar is shown as being fully in it for himself
                wrong
                >and the Empire's founding is to get money and devotion from people despite him hating and looking down on everyone.
                wrong

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The rest is correct however
                >wrong, sigmar overpowered him and threw him down a portal
                is wrong.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >but the law gods we had

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >comparatively weak
              >when chaos decides to win they'd kill all the law gods too (wfrp)
              sasuga

              Meant for [...]

              No it wasn't.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                weak
                make up lack of numbers with unity
                >>when chaos decides to win they'd kill all the law gods too (wfrp)
                This isn't written, nor it happens, they even get to the age of sigmar.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                WFRP 1e explicitly says the chaos gods will consume the law gods no matter what, and further says law is just a facet of chaos. The only WH god ever to threaten the chaos gods was Malal and his creator fricked off from GW at the end of the 80s because they were as shitty and dishonest a company back then as they are now.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                warhammer 1e had laser guns and chainswords
                you're one dumb frick

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                yeah it's moronic, that's the point

                >WFRP 1e explicitly says the chaos gods will consume the law gods
                No, it doesn't, and it doesn't happen when the end times happen, why do you keep lying?

                I'll post a pic later but yes, it says it verbatim.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >WFRP 1e explicitly says the chaos gods will consume the law gods
                No, it doesn't, and it doesn't happen when the end times happen, why do you keep lying?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                he's a chaosgay
                headcanon is all he has because he follows shitty writing for a boring faction

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >what the point of playing DnD, Hell and Abyss cant be permanently defeated anyways
    >whats the point of playing Warcraft, Demons and Void cant be permanently defeated anyways
    >whats the point of Elder Scrolls, the Daedra cant be permanently defeated anyways
    Is this your first setting with cosmic forces?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      In those settings those antagonistic powers can be defeated, and when they lose they genuinely lose. There are also protagonistic cosmic powers that exist, and they're genuinely strong too. Also, in those settings not every single action, thought, or emotion empowers the antagonistic powers. Also, the antagonistic powers aren't infinite and supremely powerful. Even Lovecraft's cosmology isn't as bleak as default Warhams.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >elves make the Vortex
        >chaos repelled for countless lifetimes of good people
        >empire wins great war against chaos
        >chaos repelled again for countless lifetimes of good people
        >Imperium wins Horus Heresy
        >Chaos a joke for the next 10.000 years
        The only difference is that GW decided to axe the WFB setting for real world reason, to make a new product.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >GW writers say all of that was just planned by chaos or they wanted it to happen anyway and could've won anytime

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So? People still play Pathfinder, despite there being Rovagug, who cant be killed and may or may not be free in some undefined future, to ruin the setting. Stop obsessing over some 4 lines of meta narrative and just enjoy the game.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >People still play Pathfinder
              Unfortunately. I think if people knew the magnitude of autism in Pathfinder's setting, which dwarfs even Warhammer, they wouldn't play it.
              >canonically Cthulhu, Lucifer, Thor, and Jesus all exist in Golarion
              >canonically Golarion is somewhere in a distant galaxy during the 1910s RL and there's an adventure where the players teleport to earth during the russian revolution
              >the endless line of fetish and magic realm content and lore everywhere

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                And don't forget that nowadays D&D isn't much better.
                >it is literal canon in D&D that Rick Grimes from The Walking Dead, Godzilla, Rick and Morty, and 40k all coexist and are real
                I hate the modern tabletop industry.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >>it is literal canon in D&D that Rick Grimes from The Walking Dead, Godzilla, Rick and Morty, and 40k all coexist and are real
                wait wut

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                [...]

                You need to learn what cannon means anon

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                wew
                fricking
                lad

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Entropy exists! Everything you do increases entropy! Arghh this is such shitty writing! And the sun is just going to blowup eventually?? GRIMDERP!!!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >entropy is evil demons laughing and plotting evily
      >entropy isn't a slow natural loss of energy over time it's roid vikings stabbing you because their demon gods decided you die now

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        1) False equivalence. Chaos is actively malicious, unlike entropy
        2) Fiction is held to a different standard than reality
        3) Yes it is shitty writing
        [...]
        [...]
        [...]
        This is no worse than every fan WAD being canon to DOOM's setting. Every drooling idiot still creams their pants over the doomslayer despite just as much silly shit being canon there

        Why does it matter whether entropy is malicious or not?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Because entropy isn't a sentient force or malevolent. Chaos is sentient and malevolent. It killing everything or being inevitable isn't entropy any more than someone standing on railroad tracks and getting hit would make a train entropy. It also doesn't matter because this isn't a discussion about life or how you view the nature of the real universe, it's about a GM running a game then killing all the players and having everything they did not matter and justifying it with "le entropy of chaos" which is HIV ultrapositive.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Because entropy isn't a sentient force or malevolent. Chaos is sentient and malevolent.
            But what does it matter? The motivation or lack thereof is irrelevant. All is dust regardless.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              It matters for the whole thing. Entropy is a natural expenditure of energy. Chaos killing everyone on a whim is no more entropic than a bank robber shooting and killing a guard. It's an artificial, contrived death.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >It matters for the whole thing.
                Why though?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                He explained it, moron. It matters because it isn't entropy. It's a second, random person killing you, not the universe ending.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >It matters because it isn't entropy.
                It not being entropy isn't important, though. Both entropy and Chaos represent inevitable demise. Why does the precise form matter?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Being killed and dying of old age are different, the the difference matters. I imagine you don't want to be killed, but wouldn't mind dying of old age, peacefully, on your couch. Why does it matter?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Being killed and dying of old age are different
                People are killed in the real world.
                People die of old age in the warhammer cosmology.
                Killing is not exclusive to Chaos and old age is not exclusive to entropy.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Could you possibly have worse reading comprehension?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You are shitposting, illiterate, misunderstanding, or just dumb, my Congolese-American.

                I read gud. You've explained the differences between entropy and Chaos, but not why the differences matter when the end is the same.

                Entropy is a natural process, except it's not really a process at all. It's a combination of natural factors, some still unexplained, that cause energy to be spent and be rendered into a different state, generally not the same energy as before.

                Chaos is not entropy, at least you'te getting there. It's actually the opposite of entropy, it's a purely artificial death brought on by the whims of plot-armored, overpowered entities in the setting who have the power to end the world when they choose because it's boring, forced grim-nihilism.

                >Chaos is not entropy
                Not relevant to the point. Chaos is not entropy, but it is like it in that both are doom.

                >You can choose to speed up entropy as well.
                That has absolutely nothing at all to do with my point.
                When the universe is consumed by entropy, nothing happens afterwards.
                When the universe is consumed by Chaos, bad stuff happens afterwards.
                >Which isn't really relevant when the setting is intended to be dark.
                Read the rest of the fricking post after that sentence, butthole.

                >When the universe is consumed by entropy, nothing happens afterwards.
                Which most would say is in fact bad, since they rely on stuff happening to live.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Which most would say is in fact bad, since they rely on stuff happening to live.
                You're being an obtuse butthole and not actually acknowledging the point I'm making. Eat shit and die

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No, I'm not sure the point you're trying to make. Again you're showing the difference between entropy and Chaos, but no one is saying they're one and the same, just that in essence they will lead to the end of everything you love and care for, and both are unstoppable. You will die. Your loved ones will die. All your descendants will die. All life on earth will die. Chaos is much like that for the people of the Warhammer cosmology. The key difference is maybe that Chaos can be bargained with.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >just that in essence they will lead to the end of everything you love and care for, and both are unstoppable. You will die. Your loved ones will die. All your descendants will die. All life on earth will die
                If that's your belief. That's not what everyone believes and I'm not sure how effective it is to defend Chaos's writing with your personal beliefs (anymore than criticizing it for the same reasons).

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                If you believe some god can swoop in and save you from your doom then you're a Chaos warrior yourself. They're even actually correct in their setting.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                life will continue on in some fashion where as chaos is just gaywank for gays
                that's why you're a dumb homosexual nihilist loser

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >life will continue on in some fashion
                Will it though? Surely gods and daemons will be more "alive" than whatever could survive the heat death of the universe.
                >If you don't understand the difference between dying and staying dead vs dying and getting tortured for all eternity
                Most people don't get tortured for all eternity though, they just dissolve back into the primordial currents of the immaterium.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Second point was actually for you

                The point that I'm trying to make is that there is shit that happens after you die to chaos. Big massive fricking diff between entropy happening and everyone just being regular dead vs chaos winning and everyone gets murderfrickassrapemindbrokentortureenslaved for infinity eons.
                If you don't understand the difference between dying and staying dead vs dying and getting tortured for all eternity then you're the most moronic person still alive and I have zero idea how you've managed to remember to breathe all your life much less know what the frick a warhammer is. Never post again you pseudointellectual illiterate frick

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the heat death of the universe.
                >implying you or anyone else living or dead knows a single god damn thing about the universe and how it will "end"
                just shut the frick up, my god you're moronic

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Cool, come back when you've got a better set of laws of thermodynamics.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >this is how the universe works I wrote a paper on it because I couldn't get laid !
                >oh wait white holes do exist..my bad !
                go for another lap MC dipshit hawking

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You're back quick. Where's the new laws?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                don't skip class bro, highschool is important

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >chaos is the heat death of the universe
                >we know the universe has a heat death
                >we know there is no god/gods above the universe
                >we know that death is it and there's nothing else
                how are you using Ganker, dead time traveler

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                If you're just going to believe in shit for no reason then you can just believe that after Chaos kills everyone they actually get to live happily ever after in Heaven.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >you can just believe that after Chaos kills everyone they actually get to live happily ever after in Heaven
                We know what happens after Chaos wins though, the writers tell us. It's not the same thing or even similar to RL.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >We know what happens after Chaos wins though, the writers tell us.
                But you can just imagine something else, like you do in real life.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Do you have an argument beyond keyboard fedora-ing? When this whole discussion isn't even about what you or I believe RL?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Do you have an argument beyond keyboard fedora-ing?
                I'm not arguing with you, I'm telling you to believe whatever you want if it improves your enjoyment of warhammer.
                >this whole discussion isn't even about what you or I believe RL?
                It sort of is when you want to argue about entropy but you don't want to really believe in it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >mad because people point out how dumb chaos is and you have no argument
                dire

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                But I've given my argument, you just refuse to engage with it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >mad and moronic
                dire

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >It sort of is when you want to argue about entropy but you don't want to really believe in it
                The argument isn't about what entropy is or isn't, it's that Chaos isn't entropy, which you've been given arguments of a dozen times now and haven't said anything in response besides "that doesn't matter" despite your original point being that Chaos is fine because it's entropy.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >The argument isn't about what entropy is or isn't, it's that Chaos isn't entropy
                It's not because I've stated several times that Chaos is not entropy. Both Chaos and entropy simply both represent inevitable doom.

                >mad and moronic
                dire

                Still not engaging with that argument.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Both Chaos and entropy simply both represent inevitable doom
                Okay, and what's the point? The original point is Chaos inevitably winning is dumb in WFRP because it makes games about fighting Chaos pointless and robs player agency. What's your counterpoint to that if it's not "chaos is entropy"?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The point is that Chaos is inevitable doom and that in real life we have our own inevitable doom called entropy. Chaos is not entropy, and so differences can exist between them and pointing out those differences is not relevant, because they key similarity is that both are inevitable doom.
                Since we live under the shadow of a real inevitable doom, and since you're still alive, presumably you've found a reason to keep on living.
                If you've found a reason to keep on living in real life you can probably find a reason for a character to keep on fighting in warhammer.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >in real life we have our own inevitable doom called entropy
                Depending on how you see it, and the nature of existence in general. Regardless, the concept of (physical) entropy relates to us eventually dying of old age. What comes after our death, we don't know. We know in WFRP though, it's eternal soulrapefrick by Chaos.
                >presumably you've found a reason to keep on living
                Yes, because real life is different from a fictional story/setting.
                >If you've found a reason to keep on living in real life you can probably find a reason for a character to keep on fighting in warhammer
                There is none, full stop. Everything people do empowers Chaos. Fighting Chaos empowers Chaos. Chaos wins no matter what happens, making all adventures to fight Chaos pointless, because by even trying to oppose it it grows stronger. You could do other adventures I suppose, but fighting Chaos is presented as the central theme of WFRP, and it's also completely pointless and actually counterproductive.

                I'd rather just not play the setting.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >What comes after our death, we don't know.
                We have no credible reason to believe anything happens after our death. Anything else is just you believing some shit, and you can do the exact same thing for warhammer. Sure you're afterlife is shitty, but nobody said anything about the afterafterlife, which is actually sunshine and rainbows.
                >Yes, because real life is different from a fictional story/setting.
                Yeah, you can choose to engage with different view points and modes of thought in fiction, you're not tied down to just your own.
                >There is none, full stop.
                Sure there is. Maybe the character is delusional and believes in salvation. Maybe they just want to be able to go home and have a pint. Fihgting Chaos may make it stronger in the long run, but if you don't fight it now it'll kill you and you won't be alive anymore.
                >I'd rather just not play the setting.
                Another great option.

                >You can probably find a reason to eat shit.
                This is the main problem for people, who don't like chaoswank. We have no such reasons.

                >We have no such reasons.
                Then move on, I don't stand around looking at turds while considering how to prepare them to my taste.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Maybe the character is delusional and believes in salvation.
                Do you actually read other people? Did you read warhammer lore?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, and yes. Delusion is a good character motivation.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Yes, and yes.
                Looks like no and no.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Then give me an actual point rather than making vague aspersions.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Give me a point to waste my time on you.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You keep replying, so presumably you see some value or have some time to waste.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Or they could've just, you know, not written it in a way where PC delusion is the only way of interacting with it, and they could've just, you know, not gargled semen from a fictional fantasy faction making it all-powerful and inevitable. But what do I know?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                So tl;dr your point is
                >the lore is fine if you ignore it
                which I agree with, you should always ignore lore you think's shitty in a setting, but that doesn't make it -not- the lore by default. If I were to play in a game of WFRP with

                Before anyone says this is an exaggeration I'd like to point out there's an officially published campaign for WFRP 1st ed where Tzeench sets the PCs up to be born so they can do a scheme for him, and if they survive to the end which requires doing basically everything frame perfect, the main suggested ending of 3 is to have them all immediately die, no saves or anything, because that's the price of trying to defy Chaos's uninterrupted victory. The Tzeench scheme works anyway, and the author called this the "proper" ending.

                The other two, a happy ending where the plot is foiled which the writer called "banal and cowardly", and another where Tzeench just sends the group back in time and resets the world so none of it ever happened.

                Personally I don't know how much of a pegging enthusiast you'd have to be to find that fun, at least the "proper" ending.

                this campaign, if my GM plans to run it as written then that means I'm indeed gonna instantly die at the end of it and everything I or the other characters did won't matter because the focus of the campaign, stopping Tzeench's scheme, is pointless because his scheme works anyway, regardless of our actions or the campaign's progress.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >So tl;dr your point is
                >>the lore is fine if you ignore it
                No, my point is that it's good and that you should be able to engage with it on an intellectual level even if you don't share the general world view. But you can also ignore it if it's bothering you that much.

                Or they could've just, you know, not written it in a way where PC delusion is the only way of interacting with it, and they could've just, you know, not gargled semen from a fictional fantasy faction making it all-powerful and inevitable. But what do I know?

                >Or they could've just, you know, not written it in a way where PC delusion is the only way of interacting with it
                It's not the only way, that just happens to be a good way in my opinion.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >it's good because it is
                Different strokes, but it's not easy to truly defend completely sapping your players of agency, running them through a campaign that's actually a big jape, and killing off their characters in a rocks fall, everyone dies moment for no reason other than to make the setting futile and extra-dark. It's not a game I'll be playing any time soon.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >it's not easy to truly defend
                It's very easy if you're manchild, who like muh grimderp.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >>it's good because it is
                I'd say it's good because it engages with real life anxieties, and presents a different sort of world compared with more common heroic fantasies. Also the art, models, fluff and so on.
                >but it's not easy to truly defend completely sapping your players of agency
                I think it is, stroies about fate a prophecy are old and I think speaks to something in the human condition, also I'm not sure the campaign you're talking about, but I believe the ending was left to GM discretion anyway, no?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Different strokes. I can safely say WFRP's setting doesn't interest me and I'll be avoiding it, but it's good if you find depth and enjoyment in it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Cool, go in peace. But I'd urge you to keep an open mind going forward, and to remind you that you don't need to agree with something to engage with it and find something enjoyable there.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >this homie makes fanfiction to enjoy a shitty setting
                lmao

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                At least with WFRP, one issue is that it largely and intentionally (as far as I can tell) serves as an attack on or satire against, depending on how you perceive it, things like traditional European or British culture, conservative or moralist ideas in general, and religion, mainly Christianity. I can agree that you don't need to agree with everything someone says to enjoy their work, but at the same time, if something isn't meant as entertainment, but as an attack on your beliefs, that's likely a different story. Same if something is so far removed from your interests as to not be interested in it at all - I'm sure the folklore of China's RotTK period is interesting if you're into it, but I'm not whatsoever and wouldn't go seek out games or books set in it, just as I'm sure a lot of people don't like Renaissance Europe and shot-and-pike despite that being my thing.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I believe the ending was left to GM discretion anyway, no?
                No, but you can't read, so yes.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Well I know it presented some options as superior, but you're not forced to take the superior option.

                At least with WFRP, one issue is that it largely and intentionally (as far as I can tell) serves as an attack on or satire against, depending on how you perceive it, things like traditional European or British culture, conservative or moralist ideas in general, and religion, mainly Christianity. I can agree that you don't need to agree with everything someone says to enjoy their work, but at the same time, if something isn't meant as entertainment, but as an attack on your beliefs, that's likely a different story. Same if something is so far removed from your interests as to not be interested in it at all - I'm sure the folklore of China's RotTK period is interesting if you're into it, but I'm not whatsoever and wouldn't go seek out games or books set in it, just as I'm sure a lot of people don't like Renaissance Europe and shot-and-pike despite that being my thing.

                >At least with WFRP, one issue is that it largely and intentionally (as far as I can tell) serves as an attack on or satire against, depending on how you perceive it, things like traditional European or British culture, conservative or moralist ideas in general, and religion, mainly Christianity.
                I can't say it's an attack. They portray a world that's obviously informed by what they know being white British men in the 80s, and the world is intentionally dark. But they don't offer anything else as morally superior as you might suspect in a hit piece. Communism or new age eastern mysticism isn't presented as the answer to everyone's problems, it's simply a shitty world filled with a lot of shitty people. Christinaity isn't really featured much beyond lifting the aesthetic, and they do that because they think it looks cool, rather than because they have an issue with doctrine.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                an attack doesn't need to offer an alternative, it just needs to undermine

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >You can probably find a reason to eat shit.
                This is the main problem for people, who don't like chaoswank. We have no such reasons.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The point that I'm trying to make is that there is shit that happens after you die to chaos. Big massive fricking diff between entropy happening and everyone just being regular dead vs chaos winning and everyone gets murderfrickassrapemindbrokentortureenslaved for infinity eons.
                If you don't understand the difference between dying and staying dead vs dying and getting tortured for all eternity then you're the most moronic person still alive and I have zero idea how you've managed to remember to breathe all your life much less know what the frick a warhammer is. Never post again you pseudointellectual illiterate frick

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's all just shitposting at this point.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                chaosgays are genuine morons that's the actual problem

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Entropy is a natural process, except it's not really a process at all. It's a combination of natural factors, some still unexplained, that cause energy to be spent and be rendered into a different state, generally not the same energy as before.

                Chaos is not entropy, at least you'te getting there. It's actually the opposite of entropy, it's a purely artificial death brought on by the whims of plot-armored, overpowered entities in the setting who have the power to end the world when they choose because it's boring, forced grim-nihilism.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                My Congolese-American, there is a very important difference between a world naturally running out of its energy and either turning into a different state or ceasing to exist in its current form, and hell demons murderfricking everyone because invincible demon gods will it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                What is it? It's the fate of both to end and for the works of man to be undone.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You are shitposting, illiterate, misunderstanding, or just dumb, my Congolese-American.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Mainly the consequences. Chaos has active consequences when it wins.

          >Because entropy isn't a sentient force or malevolent. Chaos is sentient and malevolent.
          But what does it matter? The motivation or lack thereof is irrelevant. All is dust regardless.

          >It matters for the whole thing.
          Why though?

          >It matters because it isn't entropy.
          It not being entropy isn't important, though. Both entropy and Chaos represent inevitable demise. Why does the precise form matter?

          The OOC answer is because chaos being active puts it in the place of an antagonist. It's satisfying to see heroes succeed against an antagonist but chaos being inevitable means that the antagonist wins no matter what. In framing the setting as one where chaos is some ultimate evil it shoots itself in the foot in the same breath because that evil is unstoppable.
          Also, there is always material difference in the experience of one's demise. The difference between chaos and entropy is akin to the difference between drowning and dying in your sleep

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Mainly the consequences. Chaos has active consequences when it wins.
            You can choose to speed up entropy as well.
            >The OOC answer is because chaos being active puts it in the place of an antagonist.
            Which isn't really relevant when the setting is intended to be dark.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >You can choose to speed up entropy as well.
              That has absolutely nothing at all to do with my point.
              When the universe is consumed by entropy, nothing happens afterwards.
              When the universe is consumed by Chaos, bad stuff happens afterwards.
              >Which isn't really relevant when the setting is intended to be dark.
              Read the rest of the fricking post after that sentence, butthole.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >the setting is intended to be dark
              Darkness in a setting is a seasoning, and like any seasoning, too much makes it inedible.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Who is qualified to judge how much is too much for another person?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                When you end a game with "you lose you die because chaos" that's when. From a design standpoint it's shitty. Otherwise it's subjective, but its quality is also subjective. If you think it's good dark fantasy that doesn't mean it is, and the other way around.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Entropy exists! Everything you do increases entropy!
      >Arghh this is such shitty writing!
      yes

      >And the sun is just going to blowup eventually??
      false equivalency, don't argue like you cut off your penis for goodboy points

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      1) False equivalence. Chaos is actively malicious, unlike entropy
      2) Fiction is held to a different standard than reality
      3) Yes it is shitty writing

      >People still play Pathfinder
      Unfortunately. I think if people knew the magnitude of autism in Pathfinder's setting, which dwarfs even Warhammer, they wouldn't play it.
      >canonically Cthulhu, Lucifer, Thor, and Jesus all exist in Golarion
      >canonically Golarion is somewhere in a distant galaxy during the 1910s RL and there's an adventure where the players teleport to earth during the russian revolution
      >the endless line of fetish and magic realm content and lore everywhere

      And don't forget that nowadays D&D isn't much better.
      >it is literal canon in D&D that Rick Grimes from The Walking Dead, Godzilla, Rick and Morty, and 40k all coexist and are real
      I hate the modern tabletop industry.

      >>it is literal canon in D&D that Rick Grimes from The Walking Dead, Godzilla, Rick and Morty, and 40k all coexist and are real
      wait wut

      This is no worse than every fan WAD being canon to DOOM's setting. Every drooling idiot still creams their pants over the doomslayer despite just as much silly shit being canon there

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >So what's the point of playing any of the established scenarios for this
    The whfrp adventures are all linear railroad trash. There isn't, not because of the setting but because they're frick awful adventures.

    For the
    >why do if choas?
    idiocy for the millionth time, if you don't see the appeal in smaller struggles of individual heroism against an invasive and tragic corruption and collapse you probably just don't like warhammer and should investigate other things you'd be happier playing. If you're ideologically set on the necessity of improvement and betterment, stop making the same moron threads, go play any of the thousands of games with what you want.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      maybe you should play other games you chaoswank homosexual

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That's fair if it's what you're into. I just think it's a shame because WHF is about the only thing that satisfies my renaissance guns and pikes vs. fairytale monsters and orcs itch, but it's yoked to a setting with lore that I find repulsive.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        There's a fair number of osr games with that general time frame, might want to check out Lamentations of the Flame Princess or Engines & Empires or Epées et Sorcellerie. There's more, enough I have forgotten them. There's more outside of osr. Stuff like 7 Seas.
        For most gaming, ttrpg or ttwargame I have found taking systems you like and bits of the settings you like, then adjusting to your preferences works best.
        Honestly if you like enough of warhammer or whatever and just do your own thing with it there's no problem. Thousands of kids must have run some version of their characters being the hero and winning in various permutations.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Lamentations of the Flame Princess
          That's just Warhammer's aggressive nihilism but with a side dish of autistic incel rage seasoned with his degenerate fetishes.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Okay.
            You know its not a totalizing setting and more a themed publishing house with a wide range of things from gwar written stuff to no monsters at all cottage murder mysteries, that you don't have to use any of the adventures if you don't want to?
            The basic rules for the time period work well, do what you want with them. They're free.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I agree with your post here

              There's a fair number of osr games with that general time frame, might want to check out Lamentations of the Flame Princess or Engines & Empires or Epées et Sorcellerie. There's more, enough I have forgotten them. There's more outside of osr. Stuff like 7 Seas.
              For most gaming, ttrpg or ttwargame I have found taking systems you like and bits of the settings you like, then adjusting to your preferences works best.
              Honestly if you like enough of warhammer or whatever and just do your own thing with it there's no problem. Thousands of kids must have run some version of their characters being the hero and winning in various permutations.

              I'm just saying Lamentations is as far as I can tell horrendously moronic and I don't want to touch any part of it. I'd discourage anyone from doing so. It was literally started as a project for the schizo-incel 40s something writer who acts like a teenager to vent his frustration about his ex-girlfriend who he eventually got in trouble for fricking stalking.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                ydy but it really seems like you're too caught up in weird ideas about whatever the author's politics, personal life or ideological modes are to the point you can't just read a book of rules for games of the imagination and then use your imagination to have fun with your friends.
                Reading a book by someone who did something you don't like won't mutate you into a super satan. There are specifically a wide variety of games that aren't lotfp that still do what you claim to want.
                glhf

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Then make your own setting?

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    ΔS+ = Happens.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    it's a laugh, innit?
    gotta do summink till ya die, otherwise yer just a poof commie

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What's the point about whining about the Warhammer RPGs when you could just play a Dark Fantasy setting that isn't moronic, like Shadow of the Demon Lord or Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser or Elric... ETC?

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    My main beef with WHFRP 1st ed. was how weak your character was.
    Even maxed out with 4 attacka and autisitic min/maxing you were at best mediocre.against any opposition harder than a snotling,
    If I wanted to be a use- and worthless character I would simply look in the mirror.
    The setting is a cool read but really not at all fun to play in, in my experience.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >every action, good or bad, [headcanon]
    Didn't read the rest.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    chaos: the metaphysical force and chaos: the faction of evil devils are two separate things in the minds of the writers despite the omonym
    a scenario where sigmar has a complete victory over everything was given as an example, that still counted as a victory of chaos: the metaphysical force
    it's more of a matter of spirituality over reality than of good vs evil, the miniatures make the spiritual side mostly evil devils because the point was to have a wargame where landsknechts would get to fire on dark metal vikings, but the cosmology is very much not a battle of good and evil once you get past the ground level

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >but the cosmology is very much not a battle of good and evil
      Yes, it's about the victory of evil, because there is nothing good in the cosmology.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >"I don't like how Chaos wins in the end."
    >"Play something else."
    >"Make your own setting."
    >"But I don't like how Chaos wins in the end."
    morons all over the shop.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I'm just curious, but what is appealing about this?

      Before anyone says this is an exaggeration I'd like to point out there's an officially published campaign for WFRP 1st ed where Tzeench sets the PCs up to be born so they can do a scheme for him, and if they survive to the end which requires doing basically everything frame perfect, the main suggested ending of 3 is to have them all immediately die, no saves or anything, because that's the price of trying to defy Chaos's uninterrupted victory. The Tzeench scheme works anyway, and the author called this the "proper" ending.

      The other two, a happy ending where the plot is foiled which the writer called "banal and cowardly", and another where Tzeench just sends the group back in time and resets the world so none of it ever happened.

      Personally I don't know how much of a pegging enthusiast you'd have to be to find that fun, at least the "proper" ending.

      Would you as a player be content with the outcome?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Sounds like a Chaos character scenario. In which case its the journey, the descent that is meant to be entertaining. I'd also imagine the dude describing it is seething, so I'd take it with a pinch of salt.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It's from Doomstones, a WFRP 1e campaign where the players try to stop a plot by Tzeentch to use the power of the aforementioned Doomstones. It ends in a reveal that Tzeentch arranged for the PCs to be born to deliver the Doomstones to him and complete his plan. In the end they fly away from the Chaos Wastes in a Dwarf airship, and the suggested, quote "proper", ending is to have all of the characters either each die suddenly, or have the pilot if it's a PC die suddenly and then crash the airship which immediately kills the party (no saves, spending Fate points, or alternatives are presented to any of this in the ending). This is caused by Tzeentch, and he recovers the Doomstones anyway. The author in a third person description of the ending says this is the fate of the Warhammer world and anyone who tries to interfere with "the inexorable forward march of Chaos." and "No triumph goes unpunished."

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Post some scans or quotes, I bet you're just distorting things because you're upset. Something to the effect of the player charavters always dying no matter what they do.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous
              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, so its one of several endings in a non canon scenario. The blurb saying "the good guys lose in the grimdark version" isn't particularly earth shattering.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >non canon scenario
                It is canon. What is non canon is the shit in your head.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >a non canon scenario
                You can write any RPG adventure off as non-canon.
                >The blurb saying "the good guys lose in the grimdark version" isn't particularly earth shattering
                No, because that same attitude is pretty much everywhere, at all times, across all versions of canon. Realm of Chaos and Liber Chaotica are still canon and getting mentions in WFRP 4e, and those say exactly the same thing: Chaos transcends space and time, it is all-powerful, present everywhere, and the world is its plaything. It's grimdark to a moronic degree, and I've only seen a few settings moreso.

                Its one of multiple endings, none of which actually happen in any lore. The warhammer ending isn't described as the true or correct one. Its the "warhammer" one because in warhammer fashion its the most edgy. But its made clear you pick your ending rather than one being true and the others being false.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I'll have to post the pic later but it literally says the Warhammer ending is the proper one and refers to the Hollywood (good ending) ending as "banal" and for if you lack "courage".

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It doesn't say that moron. It says its up to the gm which ending they pick. Nowhere does it say that one ending is canon, it just says that one ending is more grim than the others.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >It doesn't say that
                But it does.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It literally doesn't. You can pick from one of multiple endings. You chose to read the darkest one and got upset. Its not any more valid than the hollywood ending, for example.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It literally doesn't. You can pick from one of multiple endings. You chose to read the darkest one and got upset. Its not any more valid than the hollywood ending, for example.

                "If you're a virgin loser, and you want to use the banal and idiotic ending of the campaign, here's this shitty, stupid ending, where everyone is happy. If you're a true fan of Warhammer and The Arts, and your dick is at least half as thick as your head, here's this cool ending! And, if you really deem so, here's a third ending, where you never did the journey."

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You're just not reading the whole thing.
                >If you as the game master feel that they've done their best to behave in an honorable way, have tried to stick to the straight and narrow, and haven't plunged into each encounter in a frenzy of lying, cheating, stealing and wanton blood-letting, then this is the moment to reward them for it.

                This ending is presented as an alternative in just the same manner as the warhammer ending.
                >Do you want a banal and cliche ending, a grimdark ending, or a mix of both?
                Isn't saying that the warhammer ending is the most true. You're just seething.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >then this is the moment to reward them for it
                The third ending is a time warp that puts the PCs back at the beginning of the adventure and causes none of it to ever happen. The "good" ending is that the adventure never happened.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The ending has the adventure continue without their characters dying. You brought this scenario up as an example of "Chaos rock falls, party dies" that isn't the true ending, nor is it the canon one of the three. Its just an option.

                Where are you getting timeloop invalidation from anyway? The sequel section mentions that revenge will be seeked for their destruction of the doomstones.

                It strongly encourages the "proper" ending (which is an unavoidable TPK).

                Unfun fact, that writer is still with Cubicle 7/GW.

                Calling the hollywood ending banal doesn't encourage the warhammer ending anymore than it does the Third Way ending.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >doesn't
                It does. If you weren't autist, you would know.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Are you legit disabled? The Third Way ending isn’t critcised, and involves the characters all surviving if they’ve acted nobly enough and not brushed with darkness too much in their quest.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Are you legit disabled?
                worse
                he's a chaosgay

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >characters all surviving
                Characters achievend nothing, their adventure never happened. Brilliant.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Where are you getting that from? The sequels section specifies that, if you want the campaign to continue, you'll be facing enemies you made along the way coming after you. Nothing suggests its some sort of time loop.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >The ending has the adventure continue without their characters dying
                The author-suggested ending is an immediately partywipe because of some gay shit about "the inexorable march of chaos".
                >nor is it the canon one of the three
                What do you even mean canon? It's a WFRP adventure. There's no canon to the outcome, but the writer clearly says the TPK is the most canon-friendly, and he's still writing for GW/WH.
                >Where are you getting timeloop invalidation from anyway?
                Look at the third ending.
                >Calling the hollywood ending banal doesn't encourage the warhammer ending
                If I told you the shirt you're wearing looks moronic and ugly and you should wear the awesome stylish shirt instead, what do you think I'm doing?
                >and involves the characters all surviving if they’ve acted nobly enough and not brushed with darkness too much in their quest
                Yes, it lets them all survive by looping them back to the beginning and causing the entire adventure to never happen.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                We've moved so far away from "module where your characters have to die at the end" because you can't give any evidence for it. 2 of the three endings have the players survive. Its explicitly said this is up to what the GW wants. One ending where they survive is a direct reward for the player characters acting nobly and not like shitters. The text even states "since your players have been good, now is the time to reward them".

                You're so assblasted you probably skimread the warhammer ending and seized on it.
                >The author-suggested
                >writer clearly says the TPK is the most canon-friendly
                Not said anywhere in the text. You're getting this from the stereotypical ending being described as banal.

                >If I told you the shirt you're wearing looks moronic and ugly and you should wear the awesome stylish shirt instead, what do you think I'm doing?
                What you're not doing is telling me which shirt to wear, or what is the correct one. You're just saying that, of all the shirts, you don't think that one is cool. Similarly, the author doesn't say any ending is more correct or valid than the other. Nothing negative is said about the best, most noble ending either.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Nothing negative is said about the best, most noble ending either.
                Aside from calling it banal, cliche, and stating that it requires GM courage to not do it.

                I'm done at this point.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Thats not the Third Way ending you fricking mongoloid.
                >First Ending: Banal, good
                >Second Ending: Edgy warhammer-style grimdark
                >Third Ending: Heroic, good, everyone lives

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the best ending is dwarves the players haven't even met teleport onto the ship, fix it, then teleport away
                So your pick of the poison is

                >the players save the day by their heroism and clever choices - bad, bland, banal, cowardly
                >the players all immediately die because chaos - proper, warhammer, brave, correct
                >the players are gonna die but are saved by magic dwarves who immediately disappear - the middle ground, acceptable

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, the players being rewarded for their nobility by the intervention of either a good god or dwarven spirits recognizing their worth is a good ending. As much as you're clearly upset by that being the case.

                The only outcome being party death was just made up seethe. Thats 100% fact.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >intervention of a good god
                Doesn't happen, because for some reason this fantasy world Dwarf ghosts are more prevalent and powerful than non-Chaos gods.
                >or dwarven spirits recognizing their worth
                Random ghost dwarves appearing out of nowhere, fixing the problem to the point the GM is supposed to not even let the players speak or react, then disappearing as the adventure ends is not a good ending. It's a happier ending than the dumb TPK, but it's still not a good ending, it's also very dumb. All the PCs have done meant shit, and it's not even their friends or gods who save them, it's random Dwarves they never met before who do all the work.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >>Do you want a banal and cliche ending, a grimdark ending, or a mix of both?
                >Isn't saying that the warhammer ending is the most true. You're just seething.
                Do you know what "banal, cliche, cowardly" means? The writer is telling you the only proper ending is TPK, and the acceptable alternative is to retcon the whole adventure.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                people that write for GW (any of their systems or games) are dogshit

                there's the real answer

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                "Do you want this stupid fricking ending, the real ending, or for everything to not have happened?" That's the choice being given. Do you want to be lame and dumb, be cool, or have everything you've done be meaningless?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It strongly encourages the "proper" ending (which is an unavoidable TPK).

                Unfun fact, that writer is still with Cubicle 7/GW.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >a non canon scenario
                You can write any RPG adventure off as non-canon.
                >The blurb saying "the good guys lose in the grimdark version" isn't particularly earth shattering
                No, because that same attitude is pretty much everywhere, at all times, across all versions of canon. Realm of Chaos and Liber Chaotica are still canon and getting mentions in WFRP 4e, and those say exactly the same thing: Chaos transcends space and time, it is all-powerful, present everywhere, and the world is its plaything. It's grimdark to a moronic degree, and I've only seen a few settings moreso.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >No, because that same attitude is pretty much everywhere
                Its what makes warhammer warhammer. Its been baked into the setting from when it was created. The world is a plaything for evil gods, all mortal victories are fleeting.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I wish there was a middle ground setting somewhere. Everything's either a 1 slap happy good guys win noblebright or 11 edgy angst-ridden grimdark shitfest. Maybe I just need to make my own setting.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                post the next chapter

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Anon is a b***h, ignore him

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                post the next chapter

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                plus some extras

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the world's not doomed
                >later says the world is doomed
                Seems like shitty writing.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >However one does exist.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >tzeentch knows everything
                >but there is a loophole
                >but it doesn't work or make sense
                >but the campaign revolves around it
                >but the correct ending is tzeentch tpks the party and wins anyway
                High school students could write better than this.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >>but it doesn't work
                but it does work in all endings where the players throw the stones into the vortex, anon, please, read.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >you can survive by giving the stones to chaos lol
                You also die regardless in the "proper" ending.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, it's to summon a bunch of dwarfs out of nowhere, with no direct cause, and nothing the players could have planned for. It's like if the fricking DMPC decided to save the shipwreck. Terrible writing.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the world's not doomed
                >later says the world is doomed
                Seems like shitty writing.

                Tzeentch in general is shittily written. muh all knowing ebil butthole and the writers think it's clever, then they have to scramble for ways to overcome the obstacle of "how do you outsmart an evil god who knows everything and planned the universe" that they themselves made, and they do it poorly.

                plus some extras

                This is actively contradicted in WFRP 1e let alone later lore. In TEW they can spawn in demons at will and inevitably destroy the world and do so uncaringly according to WFRP.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the obstacle of "how do you outsmart an evil god who knows everything and planned the universe"
                the answer is that tzeentch works by alien scales, morals, and logics, in practical terms it's self destructive and can't be otherwise, you aren't supposed to outsmart it, just to beat it.

                >This is actively contradicted
                no, it's not, it's still fundamentally true even to this day, please, apply high school-tier reading comprehension.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >endings are everyone dies because that's proper hehe nothin personnel or time travel and the adventure never happened
                >actual ending with any resolution is "banal and cowardly"
                sasuga

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                are
                throw the stones into the portal and it collapses, stopping tzeentch's plan, things may or may not happen to players depending on GM.
                or fail to throw it and have a chance for finding again the stones and throwing them in the portal, closing it and stopping tzeentch's plan.
                or fail and the campaign ends badly, with no sequel.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The book encourages you to do the forced TPK ending, afterwhich the sequels and disasters show even "success" doesn't mean anything because Tzeentch's plans just work since he knew they'd do what they did. It also ignores the fact he's a super overpowered plot-armored Chaos god who can just do whatever the frick and his whole self-limitation to a plan is for amusement, not because he has to.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                the book gives you option, which you are completely free and encouraged to choose based on the players inclinations and plans for further games.
                tzeentch's plan is stopped in any ending where the stones are thrown into the portal.

                please, read.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the book gives you option
                Option to loose in one way or another. Good game.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You're arguing with a demented autist.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                My guy, the author encourages you to do the TPK ending. If someone begs you to eat shit and offhandedly and snarkily adds you don't have to, it doesn't mean they didn't just beg you to eat shit.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >and his whole self-limitation to a plan is for amusement, not because he has to.
                it's its nature to behave that way, he has to be self destructive.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's not framed that way, it's framed entirely as him being all-powerful and doing w/e he wants.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >It's not framed that way
                Yes, it is.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >he could kill them but doesn't want to
                sasuga
                >he kills them anyway in the suggested ending
                gachisuga

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >but doesn't want to
                because then he would gain no power from the keikaku, his plans have to be faulty
                >he kills them
                it's not tzeentch who kills them

                please, read, it's plain english, black on white, there're even silly pictures every page or so.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >he could kill them any time but can't because he wants to larp a keikaku
                >wants to gain power but is already invincible and knows he wins anyway just like all chaos gods
                >but especially tzeentch since the universe and all reality is his foreseen plan
                sounds like shit to me

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >sounds like shit
                Because it is.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                of course stuff sounds dumb to you when you are dumb enough to keep failing basic reading comprehension

                no wonder you're a nogame

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >chaos has never won anything ever
    >"b-but they will eventually! I swear!"
    KEK

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >We like TV show but don't like the last episode.
    >Go KYS, make another show and enjoy it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >We like TV show but don't like the fanfic we made of the last episode
      Fixed that for you. There is no last episode.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This. Warhammer fantasy bums me out most because I like so much of what's in it, but the tacked on forced meta point of "everything is chaos's game and they're gonna eventually choose to terminate the world and you can't do anything lol!" is as tiresome as it is unnecessary.
      >it makes the world grim though
      And is that supposed to be a good thing? What, the hordes of rats, orcs, disease, and other shit weren't grim? How is it a positive for a setting to make it grim to the extreme of nothing you do matters? I just don't get what drove the devs to do shit like that, or this.

      Before anyone says this is an exaggeration I'd like to point out there's an officially published campaign for WFRP 1st ed where Tzeench sets the PCs up to be born so they can do a scheme for him, and if they survive to the end which requires doing basically everything frame perfect, the main suggested ending of 3 is to have them all immediately die, no saves or anything, because that's the price of trying to defy Chaos's uninterrupted victory. The Tzeench scheme works anyway, and the author called this the "proper" ending.

      The other two, a happy ending where the plot is foiled which the writer called "banal and cowardly", and another where Tzeench just sends the group back in time and resets the world so none of it ever happened.

      Personally I don't know how much of a pegging enthusiast you'd have to be to find that fun, at least the "proper" ending.

      It's from Doomstones, a WFRP 1e campaign where the players try to stop a plot by Tzeentch to use the power of the aforementioned Doomstones. It ends in a reveal that Tzeentch arranged for the PCs to be born to deliver the Doomstones to him and complete his plan. In the end they fly away from the Chaos Wastes in a Dwarf airship, and the suggested, quote "proper", ending is to have all of the characters either each die suddenly, or have the pilot if it's a PC die suddenly and then crash the airship which immediately kills the party (no saves, spending Fate points, or alternatives are presented to any of this in the ending). This is caused by Tzeentch, and he recovers the Doomstones anyway. The author in a third person description of the ending says this is the fate of the Warhammer world and anyone who tries to interfere with "the inexorable forward march of Chaos." and "No triumph goes unpunished."

      Like who is reading or playing this and having fun or thinking it's well written lore?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >What, the hordes of rats, orcs, disease, and other shit weren't grim
        No. That shit exists in all fantasy settings and stories. The good guys being unable to win has been a foundational pillar of warhammer. Right from the get go by thr guys who created it.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >a foundational pillar of warhammer
          GW stole so many things from other IPs so there were no pillars. And there should be Gods of Order who are fighting Gods of Chaos and Malal, who ends Universe when Gods of Order or Gods of Chaos wins. But we have only Chaos Gods because it's so grim and so depressing.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >make a narrative-based wargame setting
          >advertise the idea players can influence the outcome of lore events
          >the outcome of the war is decided and can never change
          Surely you can see why this isn't a good idea.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >the good guys can never win and bring about peace
            >the evil faction will always ensure fighting, for as long as humans exist
            Its the perfect setting for a wargame. The good guys can win infinitely, create giant sprawling empires, but bad guys will always exist and they'll always be fighting until humanity dies off.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              The good guys being unable to win doesn't facilitate a wargame, because it means the bad guys will win and destroy everything instead. Especially with how it's framed as the bad guys being able to kill the good guys any time they want.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Your fanfic isn't canon.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The bad guys being the only ones able to win facilitates more violence and war than any option for good guys winning, which would spell an end to those things. Its like survival mode, only writ large with regards to a setting. Eventually humanity will experience a fall of rome style death, but that faraway future isn't relevant for the stasis of a wargame.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Its the perfect setting for a wargame.
              Faction's favouritism automatically makes any game ruined.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the faction that always loses is actually the writers' favorite because my headcanon says so
                Take your fricking meds.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >>the faction that always loses
                Yes, Chaos was fricked in End Times.
                >my headcanon
                End Times is my headcanon. I retconned Storm of Chaos in my head.
                >Take your fricking meds.
                No, u.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Skaven win at the end. Chaos think they got their big win, but it was Skaven and the Horned Rat outplaying them.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Skaven won, but their victory was given to Chaos. It doesn't bother chaoswanking imbeciles though.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Skaven won, but their victory was given to Chaos. It doesn't bother chaoswanking imbeciles though.

      >chaos won the end times
      >even though it was actually skaven
      ???

      Skaven were always destined to win. They outnumber all the factions combined, they can appear almost anywhere in the world, they are the most technologically advanced, their god actually exists and interacts with them, they're split into factions (disease, knowledge, war, stealth), and everyone knows they can kill more of their own troops then the enemy, come out with only 20 or 30 remaining models, and still win.

      Chaos is just an inferior Skaven clone.

      Did you even read End Times: Thanquol? They get their buckteeth kicked in. None of their plans don't work, they can't work together for shit, two out of four great clans get rinsed, all warlord clans get their shit pushed in and most grey-seers are dead by the end.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They blew up moon, ruined a lot of cities. It was impressive.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          And lizardmen stopped the whole moon fiasco with mind bullets in a reverse uno card play. Said gigantic chunks of Morrslieb then fell onto clan pestilens, killing them all while the lizards fricked off to space.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Chaosgay mad that Skaven won

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i know that as playerscum you cant be expected to actually read the rulebook, but you could at least read the cover.

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This is why I dropped Fantasy around 7th edition.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >He keeps remaking this same thread over and over again
    You were filtered by the setting and btfo in those threads numerous times already.
    Stop posting

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I beat chaos.

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >gets his headcanon disproven by citations
    >still insists his headcanon is correct
    Take your fricking medication, you schizophrenic freak.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >this is canon
      >no it isn't
      >schizo

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >I don't play
    >I don't collect
    >I don't like warhammer
    >but I have read every book and spent years telling others I don't like warhammer
    what am I?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Chaosgay.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      you can ask why someone likes something without liking it yourself, especially when for years this board shoved warhammer into everyone's faces

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        asking the same questions for years? blindly refusing to accept the same answers for years? crawling through novels and rulebooks of a setting you don't like and of games you don't play for screenshots of text you miss the point of and discard the context for, to keep on whining for years?

        when has warhammer been shoved into your face? who forced you at gunpoint to enter the general threads of games you don't play? who coerced you to read books you evidently don't like? what goddamn kind of mental moronation were you diagnosed with?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >when has warhammer been shoved into your face?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >for years this board shoved warhammer into everyone's faces

        asking the same questions for years? blindly refusing to accept the same answers for years? crawling through novels and rulebooks of a setting you don't like and of games you don't play for screenshots of text you miss the point of and discard the context for, to keep on whining for years?

        when has warhammer been shoved into your face? who forced you at gunpoint to enter the general threads of games you don't play? who coerced you to read books you evidently don't like? what goddamn kind of mental moronation were you diagnosed with?

        >when has warhammer been shoved into your face?
        You can't read, right?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Have you even read the rest of the post?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You can try to ignore other people's posts, but it wouldn't help.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Who forced you to enter warhammer threads? who forced you to read warhammer fluff? what other threads on /tg/ were you enjoying before the evil warhammer fan shoved his game down your throat?
              no, seriously, what games do you even play?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                warhammer sucks ass

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's none of your business.

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Chaosgays are worse than D&Dgays. D&Dgays at least pretend to care when their company shits over all the other players. Chaosgays sit back and eat the shit as GW shits on them, and get mad when other people get mad at GW for shitting on them.

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >this is headcanon

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >1e anything
      no one cares
      lose weight

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >that's headcanon
        >no it's not
        >prove it
        >*proves it
        >no one cares

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >ignores the important bit about losing weight
          how fat are you

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >the tide eventually turns
      >can be delayed
      it doesn't say what you think it says and was disproven by the end times

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >tide always advances more
        >no matter what chaos wins
        >further elaborated in roc and liber chaotica that everything exists to be the chaos gods' toy

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          that's not what roc and liber chaotica say, again with the headcanon

          btw, answer the questions

          asking the same questions for years? blindly refusing to accept the same answers for years? crawling through novels and rulebooks of a setting you don't like and of games you don't play for screenshots of text you miss the point of and discard the context for, to keep on whining for years?

          when has warhammer been shoved into your face? who forced you at gunpoint to enter the general threads of games you don't play? who coerced you to read books you evidently don't like? what goddamn kind of mental moronation were you diagnosed with?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            you can ask why someone likes something without liking it yourself, especially when for years this board shoved warhammer into everyone's faces

            >the same answers
            calling official canon headcanon and fake is not an answer

            you haven't answered why you like it

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              you didn't answer the questions

              >calling official canon headcanon
              none has called official canon headcanon, they've only told you your headcanon is just headcanon and to read the fricking sources because they don't say what you keep crying about and explain how shit works

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >spend a third of the thread saying

                >this is headcanon is made up headcanon
                >get shown visual evidence it's not
                >only response is "you're fat"
                sasuga

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                your headcanon wasn't canon, in fact, the text says chaos can be delayed and the end times proved their victories aren't final

                btw I wasn't the anon calling you fat but since it triggers you I'll now call you a fat slavic pig

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >it doesn't say what you think it says
        What kind of mental illness is it?
        >disproven by the end times
        Inevitable victory of Chaos was disproven in End Times where Chaos finally won and destroyed everything.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          the inevitable victory of chaos was proven not inevitable the moment it was said it could be delayed

          and the final victory of chaos was proven not final when everything fricking survived, most gods were not "swept back into the voids", all life did not decay, and not all souls were forever tortured by the gods, a lot escaped, reincarnated or were taken back, to the point gods, life and souls regrouped to be stronger than before

          this is the victory you have been whining for years on end

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >not all souls were forever tortured by the gods, a lot escaped, reincarnated or were taken back, to the point gods, life and souls regrouped to be stronger than before
            Because Chaos allowed it to, canonically will still win, and canonically could win anytime.

            Also, isn't AoS shitlore? We're talking about WHFB, specifically WFRP, where canonically Chaos kills everyone full stop.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Because Chaos allowed it to
              it's its nature to do so
              >canonically will still win
              can be delayed
              >and canonically could win anytime
              but they won't because it's not in their nature to do so

              >specifically WFRP, where canonically Chaos kills everyone full stop.
              no, it doesn't, it can be delayed, remember?
              >but the end times
              you either whine about the end times and accept that they disprove chaos's victory is whole or final because of aos, or you ignore shitlore and chaos still doesn't win because it hasn't won and can be delayed

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >it's its nature to do so
                if you still seriously think GW's canonical framing of the chaos gods is mindless forces of nature and not literally huge evil demons you're badly mistaken. nurgle literally stands around a big bubbling cauldron laughing and farting and has a physical little shack and a bed inside it that he sleeps in. it isn't some deep esoteric metaphor, it's edgy supervillains.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >mindless forces of nature and not literally huge evil demons
                it's both, always has been both, will always be both, except the first is their actual nature, the second is how they get perceived or shaped by what mortals expect to perceive

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >chaos army books
                lmao

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                you're too fat to deflect that, anon.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                that fat comment really hurt you didn't it
                just go for a bike ride and you won't be a corpulent pig my man

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >gw writers: chaos gods are physical beings
                >chaosgays: they actually don't mean that, they secretly mean the chaos gods are given emphemeral shapes by belief!
                >no, they're physical beings, here, we wrote these stories where physical chaos worshipers are hanging out in nurgle's physical garden in view of his physical mansion where he's sleeping in a physical bed
                >aha, sure, whatever you say 😉 man i love how clever and deep warhammer is, it's just so........wow..

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >chaos gods have common traits and physical appearances across all cultures
                s a s u g a

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Also, isn't AoS shitlore?
              Of course it is. It was made by GW after all.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >the inevitable victory of chaos was proven not inevitable the moment it was said it could be delayed
            It is inevitable if it's not about if but about when.
            >and the final victory of chaos was proven not final
            It was final victory, lad. If you won a game, you're still a winner even if there will be a new round of this game in future.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >It is inevitable if it's not about if but about when.
              but if it can be delayed then it's practically a matter of if, because chaos doesn't win at a certain fixed inevitable moment, it wins only if it doesn't get delayed.

              then you agree that the great war against chaos, or the great catastrophe, or whatever other war was a final victory by the forces of order as well, there was just another round of the game afterwards

              you're as moronic as you're fat

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >it can be delayed
                It actually can't.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >in-setting beliefs, hearsay, tales and threats
                plus proven wrong by the end times, all life did not decay, souls were not all or forever taken, the realm of chaos hasn't begun, only the mortal realms and the age of sigmar.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Not proven wrong because all that is canonically happening, AoS literally only happened because the Chaos gods decided not to end it completely and let some spirits reform.

                Also, this is about WFRP, not AoS.

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because I choose to.

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >still bumping the mentally ill moron's thread

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I enjoy seeing how moronic choasgays are myself

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >"chaos always wins"
    >chaos never wins
    >"chaos always wins... at the end"
    >the end happens
    >chaos still doesn't win
    >"D-D-DOESN'T COUNT"

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >the old lore says chaos wins
      >doesn't count
      >the mid lore says chaos wins
      >doesn't count
      >the late lore says chaos wins
      >doesn't count
      >chaos blew up the world
      >doesn't count
      >chaos let the aos world form so they could blow it up again
      >doesn't count
      >writers say chaos will eventually decide to win and will do so immediately when it decides to
      >doesn't count

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >writers say [hallucination]
        And now he's samegayging.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Planet is destroyed, everybody dies.
      >This is not a victory.
      We are talking with endygod.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >When Chaos has their ultimate victory at the end of time and the universe, the entire setting becomes a lovecraftian pool of mad energy
      >Why hasn't this happened yet, the Everchosen took over a kingdom!
      Real moron hours.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >warhammer Universe
        >n-not that's not universal enough!
        chaosgays are morons

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The same book that has the warhammer world being destroyed introduces another setting. Plenty of lore makes it clear that fantasy is just one of an endless number of other places Chaos fricks with. At no point is Chaos said to have achived their ultimate victory, everywhere. That would mean an end to the warhammer setting, including 40k and AoS.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Chaos victory is not edgy enough for our manchild.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So it's not only that Chaos is going to win, no matter what, and is wholly unstoppable, we also have to make it clear that the Warhammer world/galaxy is just a little footnote in the overall game they're playing, and when it's completely destroyed and swallowed by Chaos and all the people and souls within tormented forever, it's not even Chaos's final form, they've not even used 1% of their power yet, and the setting they destroyed really, truly meant nothing.

            nice frickin game

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, Chaos is an entropic, lovecraftian force, and the best the mortal races can do is life as well as they can in the meantime. Thats been the lore since page 1.

              Instead of acting like a troon and demanding it be changed because it hurts your feelings, just go and make your own setting nobody will care about. Or play settings where good is a more fundamental force.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >muh lovecraft
                chaosgays are morons

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Lovecraftian monsters didn't care about humanity and they never were killing machines, who destroy one universe after another for muh grimderp.

                You're fixing on semantics because you want to keep seething. Its blatant what chaos is in warhammer. If you don't like it play something else, or create your own setting that is "warhammer, minus Chaos."

                Also find a better module to get mad about. That Third Way ending is pretty uplifting.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The Third Way ending is literally just "No, your efforts are worthless. Here, these Dwarfs can fix it for you. Isn't that nice and satisfying?"

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, because your characters earn those dwarfs showing up by their good action and resisting evil. And they succeed in their quest, so its only worthless in the "but one day the world will end" way.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                What do you mean they earned it? They just showed up. Maybe if it was set up in some way beforehand, but they literally pop out of nowhere, because the GM felt "Might as well." It's garbage. If you were a good boy and got good boy points in your most recent campaign, then God Himself picked you up, crushed Satan, and put you on a throne, despite your Good Boy Points having nothing to do with that, it would just be confusing. And it is. Why are you defending trash writing, if you're not trans?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Its said there in the ending. You only get that ending if you play heroically, and not like a shitter.
                >Heroic and faithful till the end, all seems lost when either a god or noble spirits materialise in a genuinely good miracle on your behalf.
                If you think something like that needs to be set up, even though its the continuation of a tone, you're just a gigantic gay. Go read some sanderson books where everything is a mechanism or system, and nothing is allowed to be genuinely supernatural.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >If you think something like that needs to be set up
                It need to be set up or we will have contradictory mess.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You're autistic.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, but I like things to make sense. Dwarfs appearing out of nowhere to save you, when you're not allowed to succeed any rolls yourself, is just plain bad. Adding on to that, they have no reason to be there outside of "I thought it was neat."

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Destroy magical superweapon created by long dead dwarf loremasters and twisted by Tzeentch
                >Durr I didn’t know there were dwarven spirits!!!
                Well now you do, homosexual. And they saved your life since you stopped the corruption of their greatest work.

                It would be like fricking around next to the great vortex and being suprised at there being elf spirits showing up. That doesn't mean they'll show up outside of that interacting with an impossibly powerful artifact.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Lovecraftian monsters didn't care about humanity and they never were killing machines, who destroy one universe after another for muh grimderp.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >muh lovecraft
                chaosgays are morons

                Lovecraftian monsters didn't care about humanity and they never were killing machines, who destroy one universe after another for muh grimderp.

                It's funny that Lovecraft's default cosmology is less grim than Warhammer's, even without more optimistic authors' contributions. Nyarlathotep is the only real evil force he has and he isn't unstoppable, and he's opposed by an equally powerful god (Nodens) who intervenes on behalf of humans twice.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            sounds gay
            in old times chaos was galactic and the nids were from outside
            now it's all just chaos
            choasgays are fricking lame and moronic

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The third ending isn't a time loop, it's just that random Dwarves show up out of nowhere, fix the ship, and then disappear, which for some reason the writer thinks isn't banal. He words it all really stupidly and clearly wants the main ending to satiate his edge fetish though.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You know better than author, of course you do.

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >it's ALWAYS some dumb shit from the earliest, abandoned editions

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that this mentally ill freak has been at it for almost a decade.

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >chaos won the end times
    >even though it was actually skaven
    ???

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Luke, did I ever tell you about chaoswank?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Skaven were always destined to win. They outnumber all the factions combined, they can appear almost anywhere in the world, they are the most technologically advanced, their god actually exists and interacts with them, they're split into factions (disease, knowledge, war, stealth), and everyone knows they can kill more of their own troops then the enemy, come out with only 20 or 30 remaining models, and still win.

      Chaos is just an inferior Skaven clone.

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What annoys me more than the nihilism and chaoswanking is the general "lolol europeans and western culture so moronic" attitude through it. It's that smugfrick Moorwiener or fake Monty Python attitude that pretends everyone in history was an idiot and the only answer is some BS Marxist utopia. At least Monty Python made fun of them too, but still, it's this shit-eating-grin anti-westernism that irks me the most. Some level of parody is fine, but not treating every historic European as a complete drooling caveman.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Most Europeans aren't as emotionally fragile as you are. Things can be entertained for the sake of aesthetic or tone inside a fantasy game. The people who get upset at that sort of thing tend to equate escapist fantasy with a statement of intent regarding the modern world.

      Its one thing leftists, troons, and Romaboos/VGH...muh cultur types all have in common.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >he says while playing troonhammer
        lmao

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >equate escapist fantasy with a statement of intent regarding the modern world
        Considering Warhammer was made by big Moorwiener fans, and Moorwiener's a (literal) Marxist who said all fantasy literature needs to serve the Marxist cause, it's not too far fetched to say that Warhammer was made with similar motives in mind. Maybe not at the forefront, but I'm sure the "haha britain sure sucks huh" line wasn't 100% there just for funny entertainment. Maybe like 90% entertainment, 10% some kind of politi-shit message.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >it's not too far fetched to say that Warhammer was made with similar motives in mind
          It clearly is, since what warhammer copies is stuff that looks cool, and the people who were fans of it were fans of Moorwiener's stories, not marxism.

          >he says while playing troonhammer
          lmao

          Swarthoid detected

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Swarthoid detected
            >trans jargon
            lmao

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >brown ape out
              A tale as old as time

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >the only answer is some BS Marxist utopia. At least Monty Python made fun of them too
      Warhammer does too. No ideology is promoted as good.

  38. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Live and let live. No one should be going
    >y ur game not like warhammer it gay
    nor
    >y ur game like warhammer it gay
    that only makes you the gay, whether you're a chaosgay, antichaosgay, carnac, bizarro carnac, w/e etc

  39. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    would have thought that some mentally ill loser wasting hundreds of hours and years of your life screeching into the post-relevance Ganker void would relate to futile struggle on a deep spiritual level

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