>"Every faction has its pros and cons."

>"Every faction has its pros and cons."
>"That's why there isn't an definite 'good guy' faction present."
>"The Mojave Wasteland isn't black and white."

>(The Legion exist)

What the hell?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >game
    >2 major factions
    >whatever faction you, a singular dude, chooses wins the entire war
    every fucking game

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >two major factions

      more like four

      NCR
      Legion
      House
      BoS
      (You)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        BoS feels more like a minority, especially it was revealed they had just lost a war against the NCR.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        BoS is a non factor in Vegas. They're basically tech raiders.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It could be really satisfying to be on the losing side, see your allies fall in combat, your cities burn, barely escape with your life, flee en masse, have a last stand, watch it all come crashing down, and die in glory so that a few might live. I don't like to say nice things about the movie but The last Jedi works on that level, with the good guys under constant onslaught, losing ground for the entire movie, holding out against impossible odds, and only a few young whippersnappers getting away while the old guard must give their lives. DeHispanicable shit in the context of Star Wars but if you take it on it's own, it's kind of compelling.

      Then again this is sort of what happened at the Undercity and I didn't care much for that.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's like, I'm glad the side I choose wins because of all the hard work I put in, but i'm one fuckin guy man, cmon

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >(The Legion exist)
    Don't act like they're the only good guy option, House exists.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      also elijah

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fanatically personality cult factions like the legion exist in real life right now and overthrow NCR-type governments. You’re a sheltered gay retard.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Fanatically personality cult factions like the legion exist in real life right now and overthrow NCR-type governments. You’re a sheltered gay retard.
      The fact you felt the need to say this proves you were insecure about the possibility of such a ridiculous faction existing in the first place, which means it probably wasn't believable to you either. The simplest answer is that it isn't. It isn't believable.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, in the Middle East maybe.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are you trying to tell me the post apocalyptic wasteland is too civilized to be compared to the middle east.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah but like the Legion how long do they last? They'll resort to infighting and backstabbing when the charismatic leader dies.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes Caesar knows this himself. He mostly wanted to plant the seeds of society and have an almost second fall of Rome.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They won't. They're a short term order that's meant to live in a small area as long as their leader lives.

        If they tried to expand, they'd get BTFO by everyone else. When Caesar's brain tumor kills him, they'll get BTFO by any faction who learns this.

        The only reason the Legion seems successful in NV is because the NCR is horrifically mismanaged and spread paper thin, so any resistance basically cripples them.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          doesn't help the moajve is the far edge of NCR territory as well

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Based on what we hear from others though things aren't the best on the homefront.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >They're a short term order that's meant to live in a small area as long as their leader lives.
          But their territory is stated to be around as large as the NCR with most of Arizona under their control with parts of New Mexico and stated to be moving into Colorado.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it's literally only being held together thanks to Caesar, once he's dead that's fuckin it, plus it's a lot of territory but probably nothing people ruled over wise

            Based on what we hear from others though things aren't the best on the homefront.

            wasn't it a case of just too fast expansion and the same mistakes of MURRICA in their timeline started to rear its ugly head

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >wasn't it a case of just too fast expansion and the same mistakes of MURRICA in their timeline started to rear its ugly head
              An issue of lack of supplies for how much they expanded. And a bit of real life issues as the NCR has very little water supplies which makes lake mead very useful. And multiple wars with the brotherhood of steel that has fucked their economy(with the brotherhood directly destroying their gold reserves fucking their currency) and loss of life. Kimball being a war hawk who's surrounding his ranks with nepotism hires is just a symptom of the problem.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >If they tried to expand, they'd get BTFO by everyone else.
          Who the fuck is "everyone else" if not the NCR? The BoS despite being very reclusive and staying in their bunkers? Followers of the Apocalypse despite not fighting anyone ever? The shitty tribes explicitly stated to get destroyed or brought into the Legion by Honest Hearts? There's nobody else big enough to take them on besides the NCR.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The BoS despite being very reclusive and staying in their bunkers?
            Don't forget the midwest group with the legion has directly made contact with with the legion being in the prevailing category.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              they actually mention the midwest faction of BoS in NV?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not directly stated to be the midwest faction but Caesar mentions running into the brotherhood up in Colorado, with them not actually remembering where their original bunker was. This actually implies an Van Buren reference of a bunker in that region that went rogue. But Veronica does indeed mention them as a branch that went off the grid near Chicago, and also mentions the east coast Brotherhood being in a civil war.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              True, though the midwest BoS isn't talked about too much outside Tactics so I kinda forgot about that, either way it shows that the Legion can deal with them if needed, which probably won't happen often given they have barely any tech.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The king's are by far the strongest faction.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You’re a sheltered gay retard.
      Oh the irony

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s just a lefty thing, they did the same thing with right wingers in Disco Elysium too.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I really hate the Legion but a unified culture with good infrastructure and a distinct lack of raiders, ghouls, and mutants is a pretty reasonable side to choose.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unless you view the game through the lense of retarded modern politics there's really nothing wrong with the Legion.
    Caesars usage of the Roman Model works pretty well in the context of the universe.
    Not everyone in Fallout is a gigachad who can turn from a useless dirt poor farmer to the person who can take over fucking post-war Vegas.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >nothing wrong
      Lucius Lanius doesn't even believe in it

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Even so, the results speak for themselves.
        Regardless of how people view their shit like slavery and brutality it clearly works against the tribes and factions they've come across here (for now atlease).
        Unlike many other places in post war america a dirt farmer from arizona could walk from flagstaff to phoenix by themselves and not be constantly attacked by cocksuckers and max max extras just like how it was in ancient times where the romans used the same fucking tactics and assimilated most of the tribes they came across.
        The wasteland is fucked. The idea that most people would be okay with a state like the legion at the cost of security isn't really that bad with the universe context here.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      legion is probably the most successful model, but them being baby eating rapists make it pretty non-viable later down the line, you run into the facist problem with bloodthirsty generals scrambling to fill the power void.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good thing this thread showed up - I wanna do another run in NV but am in need of some Legion quest and content mods. How true to lore it is, how immersive it is, how much depth there is, etc. doesn’t matter too much, just need a list to check out because I feel the need to be a villain for once - do you know of any to check out?

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The point is that over the course of the game, the NCR reveals themselves to be just as corrupt and warmongering as the Legion.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why have so many new vegas threads popped up the last week or so?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shitposting meta for Fallout fans right now, specifically hailing Fallout 3 as KINO and better than New Vegas.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Midterms
      Every third thread on Ganker will be a New Vegas thread by November

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A single Indian shitposter started making shitpost threads claiming Fallout 3 is the superior game and in typical Ganker fashion the gays around here couldn't resist copying him.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you new here? New Vegas is probably the most popular video game on Ganker

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >implying Punch-Out!!! (2009) for Wii doesn't exist

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Legion's pros and cons:

    pros:
    -has lots of people
    -master in infiltration and guerilla warfare
    -knows how to fight closer and personally; doesn't rely on guns
    -has fearsome reputations that made other faction fear them, refrain them from attacking their merchant caravan
    -has doggos
    -wins most of the time in off screened lore
    -lanius is cool and strong
    -lupus is cunning and awesome
    -caesar's dialogue is interesting and his tough wise guy tone is enjoyable to listen to
    -highly competent, always fulfill their promises and duties
    -strong stance on purging the inhuman beasts such as mutants and ghouls. Their territory has none of them.

    cons:
    -melee sucks for NPC battle in FNV so legionnaire so are exclusively melee lost 90% of the times against enemies with firearms
    -since they don't appreciate the power of science, their lives stays the same barbaric way without any improvement in military technology or civil technology. Not using science also preventing them from using cool toys like power armors and other high tech laser gun and plasma gun
    -lose most of the time in in game performance
    -Caesar is secretly dying to brain tumor. With his death, the legion falls apart.
    -their attire is dumb. Just foot gears without pants.

    extra:
    -/+ treat woman like cattle. A bit edgy, and extreme but it helps improve their human productions
    -/+ each legionnaire were brainwashed so much they don't have independent freedom of thoughts (except for the higher ups and the caesar). This however is what preventing them from being morally corrupted, prevents them from running away in combat "most of the time".
    -/+ -brainwashing by caesar's teaching, the legionary's refusal to use medicine resulting them having short lives after injured in battle. This however has some positive effect that prevents them from giving in to further morale corruption and bribery.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >since they don't appreciate the power of science
      I would put this as a double edged sword, the issues are apparent but there is a reason to it that makes sense as the idea is not to build you civilization off of technology that you don't know how to build or reproduce.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >treat woman like cattle.
      My biggest problem with this is the way they'll even use them as beasts of burden. Like, fine, if you're going to go hardcore traditionalist then at least make them do shit they're adequate for. Carrying heavy shit is not something women are good at.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>"Every faction has its pros and cons."
    >>"That's why there isn't an definite 'good guy' faction present."
    >>"The Mojave Wasteland isn't black and white."

    Who are you quoting?

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Between the NCR, House, and an independent Vegas, I felt that the player had three “soft” grey choices.
    >There’s nothing really morally grey about Liberia’s Charles Taylor, but he’s a real guy who did astoundingly terrible things for the sake of maintaining power. In the context of F:NV, I don’t think Caesar and the Legion need to be thought of as “grey” like the player’s other options. I think they can be what they are, as they are, because the lie of their fiction is intended to provoke thoughts about truth, i.e. the nature of humans who rise to power in such circumstances. When we say “war never changes”, we’re talking about things like this.
    -Josh Sawyer

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >legionfags btfo'd by the actual writer of the game

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the creator said it so it must be true!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sawyer already said the legion is badly written

      I legitimately think Sawyer just regrets writing the Legion as well as he did. Say what you want, but the ideas he presents are at the very least compelling. You don't have to agree with them, I certainly don't, but it really feels like Sawyer tried to get into the mindset of a Legion-like entity instead of just going straight up black and white with it. And the proof of how well it was done is in the fact that there are unironic legionfags.

      Basically, I think he's just ashamed and fearing the twitter mob.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Keep in mind his main form of communication is tumblr, where the retards that ask him these questions don't even make an attempt to hide their desire to drag anyone who says anything that goes against their narrative through the dirt. Some indie dev writes a blog article criticizing PoE and when they ask Sawyer to respond to it they phrase it as "DESTROY THIS RETARD". Sawyer may be a fag but he knows well enough to not poke that hornet's nest.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, it's clear they were hamstringed by dev time but the clear idea is there, and they are a faction that makes sense as something that would develop within the post-war world. Really the largest mistake is us never actually seeing a civilian settlement and getting to see that perspective.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I legitimately think Sawyer just regrets writing the Legion as well as he did.

        This is what happens when you listen to Ganker for video game opinions.

        >"Damn I just wrote the dumbest fucking shit but I have zero time to fix it"
        >"You're wrong, Ganker and reddit taught me that you wrote it really well despite it being obviously horrible."

        Fuck.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's even worse in disco Elysium

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why not be independent? House Caesar and the ncr all suck why would you work for them when you can do it?

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Legion
    >Gets the best results
    >But is extremely violent, ruthless, and are slavers
    NCR
    >Gets practically no results
    >But allows for fairly peaceful living in areas under their control with at worst a modern day form of indentured servitude to the ruling brahmin baron caste
    House
    >Gets results, but they are always below expectations
    >Doesn't enslave anyone but does force them to kowtow to his rules by force
    >Dumb enough to almost get overthrown by Benny and immediately places you in the position to do the same

    Seems like they all have ups and downs to me. Only thing Legion is lacking is quest content.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Legion aren't objectively the bad guys. It's like you fuckers haven't played the game at all, or if you did, you just started blasting Legionaries as soon as you saw Vulpes and never stopped.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      too bad house is objectively right

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sawyer already said the legion is badly written

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He says a lot of shit

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP is a retard

    While the legion is the closest to an "evil" faction it makes for a reasonable alternative in a dangerous environment like the wasteland.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    even the legion has a story to tell

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Legion had cut content that shows more of their territory on the other side of the river other than their main camp that are thriving after the faction that joined them willingly/assimilated after they are defeated are doing better compared when they were independent/under NCR rule.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    gay game, stop shilling it

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