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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wrong

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      making fallout threads should be bannable offense

      >Fallout 1
      Perfectly concise RPG with proper stakes in the story and great writing
      >Fallout 2
      Bloated mess with Rick and Morty pop culture meme writing (DAE know the Magic the Gathering reference, Redditors??? XDDD)

      Fallout 1 was the only good game in the series.

      Fallout 1 lacks depth, I made an easy to understand visual aid. fricking morons

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nope

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yep

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You don't want to swim in a bottomless lake or a deep lake with all sorts of shit mixed in there
        I'll take the pond I can see and enjoy the water of instead, thanks.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not really wrong, 1 is more tonally consistent while 2 offers more roleplaying variety

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    making fallout threads should be bannable offense

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the borderlands 2 of the series is the best one
      reddit

      >stop talking about videogames on the videogames board!!!
      >we need more space for culture war and twitter threads!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        coincidentally, Borderlands 2 is also the best of the Borderlands series

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >every weapon is made shitty
          >every character and event is flanderized
          >music is still ok
          Horrid.

          Me? No, because I've always associated fallout with irreverent references. Personally, I only complain about Zeta because I think the ayys should be wild wasteland tier shit.

          >Fear Factory
          I didn't get it then, I assumed the soul thing was a 40k ref.

          >THE INFECTION HAS BEEN REMOVED
          >THE SOUL OF THIS MACHINE HAS IMPROVED
          >Burt C. Bell

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Burt C. Bell
            Perhaps my philistine is showing, but I really had no fricking clue who that was, or what FF itself was. I've still never even hear the song that's apparently being referenced.
            Point is, as a silly data log that easter egg is just fine. A silly wacky reference or event like a FO1 raider quoting The Joker or the kid in a fridge are fine. I just thought a whole dlc of ayys was my breaking point.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >weapons are actually unique and not all the same
            >more environments
            >genuinely a beautiful game that still holds up due to art direction
            >amazing enemy variety
            >loaders are one of the best FPS enemies ever, you an shoot off their limbs, slowing them down or reducing threat

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >this weapon has a spinny disk for a "magazine"
              >this weapon shoots slow, shitty, ineffective rockets that suck
              >this gun is a wiener
              >this gun sucks wieners
              >this gun makes autistic baby noises
              >this gun literally shits your pants
              Yeah, "unique".
              >more environments
              Explain why a desert wasteland planet only ever touched because it had resources to mine needs to have a variety of environments.
              >amazing enemy variety
              Bandits, bandits but gayer, bandits but irish, bandits but voiced by mark hamill, bandits but they're actually ok because they just lazily copypasted the brutes from borderlands 1 and left their sane voice lines alone, oh and some shitty mutants.
              >loaders
              >hehee XD the robot say funny thing in robot voice lololololol
              Good lord do you have shit taste.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>this weapon has a spinny disk for a "magazine"
                I love Maliwan aesthetics yeah. When you reload their RL it spins the rockets and does an awesome energy sound. Cool shit.
                >this weapon shoots slow, shitty, ineffective rockets that suck
                You mean, like Carnage in BL1?
                >this gun is a wiener
                Now it's just wishful thinking from you.
                >Explain why a desert wasteland planet only ever touched because it had resources
                Because it's a game designed to be played by human beings and not sleeping aid, presumably.
                Also BL1 had Ned's Island with trees and shit
                >Bandits
                Yeah, there's now actual VARIETY with bandits, you have same old bandits from 1 but also Nomads who move slowly and mostly ignore cover but can have shields, then an entirely different class of jumping agile bandits, and get it, you're not only fighting bandits now! There's more wildlife instead of SKAGS FOR FRICKING DAYS.
                >hehee XD the robot say funny thing in robot voice lololololol
                Why the frick cares what they say? There's like 20 variants of them and being able to shoot off their hands to de-gun them, legs to cripple them etc. is so cool.

                It's shit.
                >Got rid of the awesomeness rating loot system in BL1 and replaced it with old school mmo tier drop rates
                >lack of awesomeness loot system, less chests in general(some are even rarity locked lmao), and focus on low% drops from dedicated sources means you spend a vast majority of the time save quitting for loot
                >weapon part system makes a vast majority of weapons you find complete dogshit and makes getting good variants of guns exponentially harder than it should be
                >exponential stat scaling exasperates the looting issues
                >slag is a dogshit mechanic that they decided to make mandatory instead fixing the core issue
                >slag only being desired for a handful of weapons/nades means that there is a constant ~20% chance your weapon will just be shit
                >guns look like ass
                >buggier than bl1 somehow
                >character flanderization, killing off old charcters, retcons, plot holes, story deliberately wastes your time
                >no one ever shuts the frick up
                I will admit the enemy variety was great and tearing apart loaders is fun, but this game gets too much wrong to be considered a good game. Literally introduced everything wrong with the series.

                >character flanderization, killing off old charcters, retcons, plot holes, story deliberately wastes your time
                1 had no characters or story. Things just happened. Remember commander Steele? Yeah me neither.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >1 had no characters or story. Things just happened. Remember commander Steele? Yeah me neither.
                Is that so? Then pray tell why a vast majority of important npcs are returning characters and why the plot centers around the twist of BL1.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Absolute dogshit taste.
                >ned's island
                DLCs are non-canon and started the cancer that 2 and beyond followed with.
                >it's a game so it needs to shake keys in front of my little baby face to be entertaining
                Take your adderall.
                >b-but BL1 had no st-
                Because your piss-chugging buddy Randy decided to scrap development and use up the whole of the remaining development time to redo all the visuals with this moronic cartoon style instead of actually finishing what was planned. Even in its barebones state, BL1 is the best of the series and there is no comparison.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And it was a correct decision, too. Look at this generic brown shit. You're one of those guys who unironically miss the piss and shit filters? Lmao. Frick off.

                >it's a game so it needs to shake keys in front of my little baby face to be entertaining
                Yes. It's a fricking FPS, it's not an essay. It exists explicitly to entertain me.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                moron.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Here's an advice: next time you play a game with colors, scoop some shit from under your chair and smear your monitor in it. You will get your comfy 7th gen experience!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its so funny to me how brainlets were conditioned to instantly associate artistic color grading with things like ''brown filter'', ''piss filter'' etc. With zero consideration for the reasoning behind such decisions.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Genuine fricking moron.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sick Rage gameplay screenshots bro

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's shit.
              >Got rid of the awesomeness rating loot system in BL1 and replaced it with old school mmo tier drop rates
              >lack of awesomeness loot system, less chests in general(some are even rarity locked lmao), and focus on low% drops from dedicated sources means you spend a vast majority of the time save quitting for loot
              >weapon part system makes a vast majority of weapons you find complete dogshit and makes getting good variants of guns exponentially harder than it should be
              >exponential stat scaling exasperates the looting issues
              >slag is a dogshit mechanic that they decided to make mandatory instead fixing the core issue
              >slag only being desired for a handful of weapons/nades means that there is a constant ~20% chance your weapon will just be shit
              >guns look like ass
              >buggier than bl1 somehow
              >character flanderization, killing off old charcters, retcons, plot holes, story deliberately wastes your time
              >no one ever shuts the frick up
              I will admit the enemy variety was great and tearing apart loaders is fun, but this game gets too much wrong to be considered a good game. Literally introduced everything wrong with the series.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shut up Black person

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Fallout 1
    Perfectly concise RPG with proper stakes in the story and great writing
    >Fallout 2
    Bloated mess with Rick and Morty pop culture meme writing (DAE know the Magic the Gathering reference, Redditors??? XDDD)

    Fallout 1 was the only good game in the series.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >great writing
      Did we play the same game? Fallout 1 reads like it was written by the programmers

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No wonder it didn’t feel like slop, we need less self described “writers” who huff their own farts when comes to what they write down unlike a programmer who has some form of self awareness that their writing may be shit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      FO2 was a bit too reddit for me

      other way around, except fallout 2 is a kiddie pool that stretches forever

      >the borderlands 2 of the series is the best one
      reddit

      >stop talking about videogames on the videogames board!!!
      >we need more space for culture war and twitter threads!

      Fallout 2=Reddit
      Half Life 2=Reddit
      No more Heroes 2=Reddit
      Portal 2=Reddit
      Dead Space 2=Reddit
      Borderland 2=Reddit
      Dark Souls 2=Reddit
      Team Fortress 2=Reddit
      Terminator 2=Reddit

      the reason why you losers dont like the references is because the ability to connect the dots between in game events and what they refer to is highly correlated with a high iq, something you mouthbreathers lack

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Or maybe it's because it takes them out of the immersion? Even as someone that considers F2 their favorite it's not hard to see why not everyone likes F2s references. It's perma-wild wasteland. Now I do think calling it reddit and shitting yourself because of them is ridiculous and it's not like the other Fallout games are above it but there is a reason it's a complaint.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao. This is like unironically saying Rick and Morty requires a high IQ to watch. You must think the Avengers movies are high art because you can basedpoint at the screen when someone you recognize from comics comes in.

        Fallout 2 is a shit game riding on the coat tails of the original and it's clear the writers were the equivalent of millennial writers today in that they were so creatively bankrupt they had to make Reddit-like references to the real world instead of coming up with their own jokes and gags. Not to mention it's immersion breaking to read le epic "us nerds right?" references that have no place in a nuclear wasteland.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You mean the original that reference proto-Rick and Morty? The rage that F2s reference get is kind of amazing at this point when all the other Fallout games do the same. How many people even know that the .223 gun is from Blade Runner? Also it's not like F2 never contributed to the worldbuilding of Fallout 1.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If you'd read the whole thread more carefully, you'd already realize that people like

            Lmao. This is like unironically saying Rick and Morty requires a high IQ to watch. You must think the Avengers movies are high art because you can basedpoint at the screen when someone you recognize from comics comes in.

            Fallout 2 is a shit game riding on the coat tails of the original and it's clear the writers were the equivalent of millennial writers today in that they were so creatively bankrupt they had to make Reddit-like references to the real world instead of coming up with their own jokes and gags. Not to mention it's immersion breaking to read le epic "us nerds right?" references that have no place in a nuclear wasteland.

            have never actually played any of the original Fallout games, and are entirely, 100% parroting a meme discourse that was actually created as a by-product of the obssessive Fo3 and F:NV rivalry.
            There is no point in engaging zoomies like that. And it is a zoomie, the fact that he literally cannot come up with any reference point other than Rick and Morty and the Ganker meme idea of "reddit" is absolutely giving the gig away.

            Trust me, NOBODY old, smart or patient enough to actually play and appreciate any of the isometric games, talks like this in the first place.

            If you have the capacity to appreciate Fo1, then I can assure you, you will never call Fo2 a "shit game", and you will be able to express yourself in ways other than stale regurgitated Ganker memes.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah you're right, I shouldn't have bitten the bait. I just get tired of people that keep pushing moronation like that. I hate that F1 and F2 keep getting dragged into these stupid flamewars that F3 and NVgays keep having.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why can't we as a community come together and all just hate on BoS and Bawls?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because BoS and Bawls is so insignificant at this point. It's just a mediocre Dark Alliance clone. And even that game has it's camp of fans.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Bawls
                what's that?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Soft drink that BoS swapped nuka-cola with.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                wait, the brotherhood of steel game had their own soft drink?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, it was a tie-in. BoS is a really bizarre game since it was post-Black Isle Interplay and Pre-Bethesda. As such the games tone is all over the place.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i've seen some gameplay video from it. it looks like shit. i also know that the vault dweller shows up as like some crazy hobo or some shit

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They also had a Slipknot soundtrack. The whole thing is a fever dream.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >fallout 2 is now reddit

      i hate you Black folk so much

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It had gay sex in it...

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          oh noooo homosexuals frick in a videogame stop the fricking presses call Kotaku for all i care

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fallout 2 has:
      Lore ruining shit like talking deathclaws, ghosts, porn stars
      Terrible writing with 30 year old pop culture references being dropped constantly
      Boring NPCS
      Boring quests
      Terrible combat balance
      A lack of talking heads compared to the first game
      Nonsensical and lame main story that the player doesn't care about. Not once does the game even try to make you care.
      Thematically jarring areas like New Reno and San Fran that don't even feel like they belong in the same game next to cities like Klamath and Modoc

      eceleb parroting NPCs

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fallout, like Persona, begins at 3

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >simping for a cancelled game

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Forgot to mention, I am 12 and my favorite game is fortnite, in case that matters

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >FO3: Can't drink
      >FNV: Can drink
      What did he mean by this?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        gotta fix that water purifier.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fallout fans are sad. Make way for the real king, which is obviously too much for you.

      I don't get the water metaphor.
      Can someone explain?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This will explain it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Fallout has ugly brown water though.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i assume its the depth of the game/story/gameplay

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's like the ocean

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I want to shitpost, but all my bait is stale

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Should have put more points into INT.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's a food analogy. You wouldn't get it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think pokemon creatures are more your speed.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FO2 was a bit too reddit for me

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Whoever was the first Black person homosexual to start spamming "Fallout 2 = Reddit" did more damage to Fallout discussions than FO3jeet could ever dream of.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think the trannies inexplicably latching on to NV did that first before some moronic bottom-feeding jeet got anywhere near it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People have been complaining about FO2's pop culture shit since it came out. Connecting it to reddit is just the modern way to do it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know why they fixate on 2 when 1 is just as bad with South Park, Simpsons, The Hulk and Doctor Who references. Fallout has always been as glib as it was "realistic"

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You say that, then you throw a tantrum over fridge kid in 4, ayylmaos in 3. Hell, you'd probably whine about the Fear Factory reference 3 has if you were capable of understanding it. Of course, any silliness and stupidity in new vegas is totally given a free pass.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Me? No, because I've always associated fallout with irreverent references. Personally, I only complain about Zeta because I think the ayys should be wild wasteland tier shit.

            >Fear Factory
            I didn't get it then, I assumed the soul thing was a 40k ref.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            All of New Vegas's most absurd references are locked behind the
            >I want pop culture references
            trait. So unless the schizophrenic nightkin trying to sell you tumbleweeds in the emptiest corner of the map is somehow too "Reddit" for you, the most there is to whine about is Romanes eunt domus or whatever that graffiti is in Cottonwood Cove.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              "Romanes, they go to the house" is another WW thing actually. What's funny is if you don't get the reference, it works perfectly as a believable in game graffiti

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. Fallout 2 is a great game that does many things better than the original, but I guess none of that matters because I cringed when it referenced Little Shop of Horrors. The fact that it did some things worse (the tutorial, the pop culture references) doesn't automatically disqualify the improvements it made.
      >much better skill balance than the first game
      >more weapons and armor
      >more viable weapons, as opposed to the turbo plasma rifle making every other gun look like a pea shooter
      >more enemies
      >locations are interconnected, as opposed to Fallout where you can count the number of interactions between locations on one hand (the BoS hostage in the Hub, the chemistry journals, confronting Bob about his "iguana" bits)
      The game's biggest fault is completely blown out of proportion, and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if you were you tell me it's mostly secondaries who never even played 1 or 2 that parrot it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The game's biggest fault is completely blown out of proportion, and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if you were you tell me it's mostly secondaries who never even played 1 or 2 that parrot it.
        It is. 99% of it comes from people who's first Fallout game was Fallout 3. The fact that 99% of them straight up use phrases like "fallout 2 is reddit" or "fallout 2 is rick and morty" should probably clue you into that fact.

        The whole meme is even younger than Fo3, actually. It's by-product of the Fallout 3 vs. F:NV rivalry, which gradually formed only over the course of several years after Fallout New Vegas was released.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i can assure you. this fnv vs fo3 rivalry wasn't a thing back when i used to lurk this place actively between 2011-17. it's a lot more recent thing. from waht i've gathered it's just pushed by a handful of mentally ill people

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            back in 2011 I once told a co-worker at the borderline illegal to eat at diner I worked at I like 3 more for the setting, and he yelled at me. It was always real amongst freaks

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              your coworke doesn't sound like a sane human being lmao
              also why was your diner borderline illegal to eat at?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He was, is if he's still alive...
                Well, I for one never bathe and touch food, he used to get high and spit in the food, and I don't wanna talk about the <4 int customers that used to shit in bags and not the toilet. I love Michigan baby

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lmfao bruh, what did you guys serve?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                burger n fries, sandwiches, coneys, some chili, and some basic breakfast shit.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i can assure you. this fnv vs fo3 rivalry wasn't a thing back when i used to lurk this place actively between 2011-17.
            It absolutely fricking was. It grew in scale and vocality as more and more of Ganker was being replaced by gen7 groomed kids, and it only started peaking around 2014-2015, but it was here, a regular thing, since the fricking moment F:NV came out. While a minority back then, gen7 kids who utterly despised F:NV still existed here, in fact, Fo3 defense threads were pretty much the thing that made me first realize how many gen7 kids are actually here, despite the looks, it was together with Oblivion, the fist casual console shit that became OK to like here, which unsurprisingly, rubbed off lot of the actual old-school Ganker users the wrong way.

            And it has always existed outside of Ganker as well. In many, many ways, F3 and New Vegas became proxy subjects of the gen7 NPC's and the gen7 critics - which might sound weird to you if you haven't been there, but trust me, it made a lot of sense back then.

            Of course, the whole poo-in-the-loo thing, that is a very recent meme, about a year, year and half old? But it started as a joke, making fun of the stereotypical F3 vs. NV debate, which ended up being taken completely wrong.

            Meaning at that point, this particular rivalry has been literally a ritualized staple of this place.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >the whole poo-in-the-loo thing, that is a very recent meme, about a year, year and half old

              Lolwut? Poo in loo is an old as frick /misc/ meme.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Lolwut? Poo in loo is an old as frick /misc/ meme.
                I mean the specific association of indians with Fo3. Also known as the "Good morning Sirs", "Do not redeem", "Rajeesh" etc...

                damn really? I only remember fallout new vegas threads daily but barely anything about fo3 at all when i used to lurk this place actively. coming back since some months ago i see nothing but shitflinging among fallout fans

                Again, the amount of animosity slowly but steadily increased in proportion to rising numbers of gen7 groomed Ganker users. So back in 2010/11 there would rarely be an extensive argument between FNV and Fo3 fans simply because the number of people willing to even admit they liked Fo3 was very low, because at that point, the whole ethos of Ganker was "frick this 7th gen brainrot" and post-Morr Bethesda games were poster-childs of Gen7 brainrot. So you would see a lot more people just praising NV and condemning F3, and not that many people rising in defense - though there usually would be one or two.

                But with each year, the userbase was being remplace more and more with younger generation, and the 360 gen kids felt more safe and secure and willing to actually voice their opinions. And this MASSIVELY accelerated with 2013 moral panic shitshow and the 2014+ rise of /misc/, which displaced an insane number of gen7 or older users all over the site, side-effect of which being that Fo3 vs. F:NV threads became quite literally, a DAILY THING in here. Since then, they fluctuate in popularity in few-months long cycles, but they do keep coming, and probably will never go away.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i see, so that's how it is. that explains why i literally never saw fallout 3 threads but fnv threads on the daily

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >that explains why i literally never saw fallout 3 threads but fnv threads on the daily
                Yeah, we are talking about the era the biggest boogyman buzzphrase was literally, "casual gaming", most Ganker users back then would rather die than admit they liked Fo3, much less prefer it to NV, even if that was how they honestly felt. The peer pressure, or "board culture" was just set up that way. Ganker was a fundamentally elitist place, as bizarre as that may sound to anyone who know's Ganker only based on what it is now. This elitism and deeply anti-mainstream, anti-gen7 era sentiments, were later misunderstood as simple contrarianism, which is why that is seen as the "staple" of being a Gankertard today.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is a good summary. You can see the legacy of this shift in things like newbies not knowing why Dark Souls's success was so significant in the context of the "casualization" of gaming, or trying to psy-op legitimately great games into being the next TORtanic for... no reason.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >or trying to psy-op legitimately great games into being the next TORtanic for... no reason.
                The funniest thing is that TORtanic was itself just an attempt to artificially emulate a different shitshow, and if we wanted to historically accurate, this phenomenon should probably be called the DA2 syndrome or something like that.
                Because it was DA2 release that was arguably the first really, really bad mind-break and beggining of bushitization of this site. It was an understandable explosion of frustration given the context, but it was what made so many Ganker tards realize that being "part" of a disaster scenario is much more satisfying and emotionally engaging than actually caring about good games. The attempt to artificially re-create the catharsis of DA2's release shitstorm has became a major source of cancer, and TORtanic was - at the time, absolutely and completely fricking stupid meme already.

                But yes. Modern Ganker culture is build on foundation of profoundly anti-mainstream, anti-gen7 sentiments, being continuously more and more misunderstood and fladnerized. To a point where Ganker right now, is exact, PERFECT OPPOSITE of what it was back then, to a point where it feels like a completely deliberate satire: everything that defined the board culture here has been twisted into it's exact opposite.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Somebody brought up the "what do they eat" thing. That's from a video called Shandification of Fallout" by one MrBtongue, an early days youtube "essayist" briefly popular between 2013-2015. The video itself is I belief, from 2013. And while it took a while before it became widely popular, maybe a year or so, the "what do they eat" thing became so deeply ingrained in Ganker Fo3 vs. NV regular shitshows that it eventually completely transcended Fallout subject, and is even today, one of the many go-to basic shitpost prefabs.

                So yeah, by 2015 F:NV vs. Fo3 ragefest became so characteristic and common here that even people with zero knowledge and interest in the subject matter were parroting purely Fo3 vs. F:NV debate-born meme's.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >that explains why i literally never saw fallout 3 threads but fnv threads on the daily
                Yeah, we are talking about the era the biggest boogyman buzzphrase was literally, "casual gaming", most Ganker users back then would rather die than admit they liked Fo3, much less prefer it to NV, even if that was how they honestly felt. The peer pressure, or "board culture" was just set up that way. Ganker was a fundamentally elitist place, as bizarre as that may sound to anyone who know's Ganker only based on what it is now. This elitism and deeply anti-mainstream, anti-gen7 era sentiments, were later misunderstood as simple contrarianism, which is why that is seen as the "staple" of being a Gankertard today.

                thanks

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              damn really? I only remember fallout new vegas threads daily but barely anything about fo3 at all when i used to lurk this place actively. coming back since some months ago i see nothing but shitflinging among fallout fans

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Even as someone whose first Fallout was 3, I didn't understand how adamant 360 kiddies were about it being God's gift to gaming

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I disagree. I've been here since 2007 or whenever the frick and I feel like the timeline was
            >trailer releases
            >oblivion with guns lol
            >game releases
            >fallout 3... fun?
            >BINGO BANGO BONGO I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THE JUNGLE, OH NO NO NO NO NO
            >everyone experiences the ending
            >fallout 3... bad?
            >[sound of No Mutants Allowed and classicgays shitting themselves with thunderous fury this entire time]
            >every DLC had a mixed reception except Point Lookout, which was loved
            >new vegas releases
            >players who started with 3 are filtered by the thousands because the desert is brown and a desert
            >big iron becomes the game's most well-known song because of a bug that causes it to play 2x as often
            >the characters and factions are universally loved
            >[continued sound of classicgays shitting themselves]
            >fallout 3 vs. new vegas rivalry ramps up as soon as people start finishing the main quest, with "what do they eat" being the most common got'cha
            The troony and Pajeet narratives didn't emerge until 2016, at the earliest. I was playing a frick ton of modded New Vegas in 2015 when I was between jobs, and I spent way too much time in Fallout threads. The games were just obviously very different from a design philosophy and writing perspective, even though one of the more common criticisms about New Vegas when it released was that it wasn't different enough.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              damn alright, thanks dude for the write up. i had no idea it was like that, even though i was in every fallout thread that came up on Ganker daily. given my memory is shit

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              At least half of classicgays accepted NV. Not all of us are complicated people. Sawyer dangled shiny NCR rangers, Califronia references, classic weapons, skillchecks and brancing quests in front of me and goo goo gaa gaa

              >1 had no characters or story. Things just happened. Remember commander Steele? Yeah me neither.
              Is that so? Then pray tell why a vast majority of important npcs are returning characters and why the plot centers around the twist of BL1.

              No, the plot centers around something not even referenced in BL1. Around second Vault and Eridium. How many fricking Vaults does that stupid planet even has? Who cares. At least Handsome Jack has a presence and isn't a complete nobody. He does something in the story that can conceivably make someone hate him.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The troony and Pajeet narratives didn't emerge until 2016,
              Actually, those are 2020+ invention entirely. The whole Pajeet thing was one of the most pathetic but also succesful case of a forced meme I've seen in decades here.
              I was here for when it started. It's all... quite a fascinating history to me, because it was a joke that ended up not only backfiring, but actually ending up making fun of the exact opposite of what it was supposed to make fun off.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I will say that I only said 2016 at the latest because I didn't touch Fallout from 2016 to 2022. I decided to ignore 4 and 76, and I wasn't playing 1, 2, NV, or TTW so I had no reason to read Fallout threads. I have no idea how the Pajeet / troony memes emerged, but there are enough people who have given consistent explanations as to their emergence that I believe them.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I have no idea how the Pajeet / troony memes emerged
                I have seen a lot of explanations, but most of them were wrong, because the truth of it is kinda boring. It was a very basic joke, that unfortunately revealed just how many people on Ganker are absolutely, insanely naive and clueless.

                In retrospect, you can find a lot of beauty and irony in it, especially the fact that a lot of people now somehow unironically think that Fo3 is genuinely exceptionally popular in india, despite the fact that Fo3 was not, in fact, ever released in india, it was straight up banned there and remains so even today, as far as I know.
                But this is the kind of emergent irony, it was never an intended part of the joke.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's literally the same guy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You described the same person.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP's pic btw is actually an allegory for the amount of millenial writing in the game

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fallout 2 is just a load of going back and forth.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what's the little bit that goes all the way down meant to be? new reno?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it leads to New Vegas at least, the NCR. game's deep.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    other way around, except fallout 2 is a kiddie pool that stretches forever

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you definitely didn't play the game

      for all the genuine faults 2 has, of which there are many, quest complexity is not one of them

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only people who b***h about 2 are people who haven't played it. Also, this picture looks like a womb.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    are you dumb? for the first half of the game you go through the same copypasted five towns until you reach vault city and start circling around between it, new reno, and the NCR then wrap the game up in like thirty minutes once you make it to san francisco and to the oil rig

    it's filler garbage

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fallout 3 is just a straight line with water spilt on top of it.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Read about the horrid trials tutorial for many years
    >Finally play 2 this year
    >The trials take 2-3 minutes
    ?????????????????
    I'm baffled, I just lock picked door, stole key from the guy you have to fight.
    Woah

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's the point. If you actually try to fight anything you're immediately fricked.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Tag melee

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I did well enough, didn't tag melee or unarmed. I tagged speech, science, and small guns.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not everyone realises you can just lift the key off the fighter. They think it's either speech or fight

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The ass part is rocking a non combat build there. Sure you can juke the scorpions and ants and poke them to death with your small guns build thanks to your high agility but it wont be that easy if you max int and charisma

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >if you max int and charisma
        couldn't you at least speech your way past the guard? even without tagging speech. I don't know why more people don't just also run pass the ants. Even with 6 AP you can do it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You have high agility. You run past the bugs.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    same shit, pools just wider in FO2

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The water in the lake on the right is richer in minerals and has more fish.
    The water on the left is devoid of any life.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's the point of this thread?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We're all collecting (you)s. Now you're also a based (you) collector.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What's the point of this thread?
      To parasiste on the massive surge of awareness of the Fallout brand generated by that 200 million dollar Amazon add that just came out.

      Every zoomie now knows Fallout is a big thing. Which means zoomies will post about Fallout a lot, because they correct assume it increases the likehood of getting a reply. Which in return, attracts even more zoomies, and the cycle continues.

      This place is a surrogate social media outlet for children who are addicted to social media, but for various reasons (mostly, being too insufferable even for regular social media) ended up being chased off them.

      The algorythm requires engagement. Zoomies are reprogrammed to literally be physically addicted to the process of generating engagement, at any cost, at any time.

      That is why we end up with this this shit.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fallout 2 feels like 5 different games duct-taped together.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fallout fans are sad. Make way for the real king, which is obviously too much for you.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I kneel, TacticsGOD. Fukken saved.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is Fallout Tactics really as good as people say?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's a mediocre tactical squad game carried by the aesthetics. It's not a CRPG.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes and no, the concept and moment to moment game play are pretty cool. However the game is actively, and dev admittedly, not finished or fully balanced. You don't need to follow a guide, but it's advised.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's underrated kino.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's fun until you have to sell & rearrange your items
        seriously takes 20 minutes 1-at-a-timing everything everywhere GOD DAMNIT

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's got a cool aesthetic and an almost Wasteland-esque plot compared to Fallout's plots (mainly focusing on you being consistently part of a very present military unit instead of just one guy) and a more Jagged Alliance approach to gameplay but it needs a lot of fine-tuning with fan patches. By default if you get an automatic weapon you immediately break combat balance and mulch everything.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, but it is highly contrarian to call it the best. It's okay.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        F76s water is way too clean. Should have piss and shit from the other players.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >16 times the depth

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      is tactics actually good. I love ja2 and x-com for reference

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >is tactics actually good. I love ja2 and x-com for reference
        It's nowhere near as good as those games. It's an OK tactics game, and a subpar Fallout game. There is a reason why it was actually mostly completely ignored back in it's day and forgotten until youtube influences started flogging it for desperate contrarian views.

        The game was never bad, and if you just want more JA style tactical combat, sure, go play it, it's entirely passable and there is nothing fundamentally wrong with it.
        It's just that there is nothing fundamentally good about it either.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not as good as those games but it's still a decent tactics rpg worth playing.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's okay, but the thing is that Fallout was not a game you played for the depth of its combat, and it's one of those games that only fans of it have vocal opinions about. It's a bit like public opinion of 76 being primarily informed by players who either weathered the frick-awful launch and players who began playing it years into its development - when it is now a wildly different experience. It's hard to pin down unless you play it yourself.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Truth

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    fallout ends at 1

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm so fricking coomerbrained I see a womb.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    since when did this board start pretending like the old fallout games are somehow better?

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    me get advanced power at level 1
    me win game

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fallout actually ended with 2

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >want a simple solo character crpg game
    >classic fallout games are retro shit
    >wasteland 3 is neat but with too many characters
    >atom rpg is neat but jank
    >underrail is solo but autism

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      simple & not jank don't really mesh with crpgs. Even the best of em

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Embrace the autism.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I should give Underrail a shot again. Problem is that my first build got fricked harder than someone taking 1 Agl in F2. I feel like either I go baby mode (easy with classic xp) or i need build suggestions.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i genuinenly think you're supposed to look up builds for that game. that game is all about builds and shit. you don't want to be 90hrs into your campaign and realise you can't progress because your build sucks

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That seems like a weird point of Underrail to focus on. I don't think people actually like cheezing Fallout with 10 AGL. It's more of a necessary evil.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yeah when i realised that i lost all interest in the game completely tbh. i don't play these games for the sake of build diversity

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i genuinenly think you're supposed to look up builds for that game
            I went completely blind and didn't have any problems on normal mode. I did psi plus energy weapons, and yes it was after the psi nerf.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i genuinenly think you're supposed to look up builds for that game. that game is all about builds and shit. you don't want to be 90hrs into your campaign and realise you can't progress because your build sucks

          That seems like a weird point of Underrail to focus on. I don't think people actually like cheezing Fallout with 10 AGL. It's more of a necessary evil.

          There are 2 main elements to Underrail. First is planning the build, second is executing it (playing the game). You need at least a rough plan going in, but seeing your build come to life is the best part of Underrail. If you can beat Junkyard, your build is viable.

          There's absolutely nothing wrong with looking up a build and following that foe your first run. My first run was a stealth grenadier/SMG burst user and it was a blast.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fallout 2=Reddit
    Half Life 2=Reddit
    No more Heroes 2=Reddit
    Portal 2=Reddit
    Dead Space 2=Reddit
    Borderland 2=Reddit
    Dark Souls 2=Reddit
    Team Fortress 2=Reddit
    Terminator 2=Reddit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >All better than the original (expect Half Life)
      Huh. maybe reddit is one to something.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is reddit the product of a bootstrap paradox?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      T1 mogs T2 but frick off if you think it's actually bad

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Portal 2 could definitely be considered proto-Reddit humor, but it rides the line okay and is still safe because it's still very genuine and not post-modern ironic nonsense or subversive humor.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like this a loaded comparison because fo1 was a side-project from some devs after hours while fo2 was a properly funded sequel to a major hit.
    But I waste my efforts. 100% of fallout threads are made in bad faith. Its a franchise you can’t discuss on Ganker.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Monster Hunter
      >Dark Souls and Elden Ring
      >Fallout
      Another series joins to un-discussables

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >fo2 was a properly funded sequel to a major hit.
      Yeah and it was also rushed out the door hard. I can bet at least 70% of F2s problems are because it had to be shoved out in less than a year. F1 also got fricked over though, it was going to have more content that got cut as well like the Vipers and Jackal raiders. And a lot of the gameplay and build issues I can bet came from F1 having to ditch GURPs ruleset last minute. My take from all of this is that Interplay sucked as much as Bethesda did.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Interplay sucked, but based on what I've heard from Tim Cain's YouTube channel and Avellone's blog, Interplay comes across as aggressively moronic, but less ideologically compromised than Bethesda. Their sin was cracking the whip as soon as Fallout succeeded despite their lack of interest in the first game's development. It's weird that they're guilty of some of the same stuff, and both obviously wanted Fallout to be a successful brand, but they went about it in wildly different ways.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I can understand somewhat. Fallout is a gold mine and the fact that we still talk about the games shows that there was reason to get hyped up about the IP. Even outside of Fallout itself there's lots of other games that try to do what Fallout does. Wasteland got brought back from the dead because people wanted F1/2 again. But man did Interplay need to let Cain/Avellone just cook and not crack the whip. Also making some spin-offs no one was asking for didn't help Interplay either. I get the PS2 era was tough for PC gaming but BoS was not the answer.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm at NCR right now in Fallout 2 and I still haven't been pulled into it. I liked how New Reno looked visually, but the whole place felt like a joke. It was like something made by a 14 year old in the late 90's or early 2000's who recently discovered porn.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you haven't been pulled into by Vault City, NCR, Modoc, Reno, Broken Hills, or Redding then F2 just is not for you.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I guess not. Somehow Fallout 1 grabbed me after Shady Sands, so I was hoping Fallout 2 would do the same at some point. I'm kind of just forcing myself to play it because I want to see how a tribal goes from searching for a GECK to attacking the Enclave.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          F2 is all about side content imo. If you're forcing yourself to do the main quest you're gonna be bored. F2 is all about fricking around in Reno, taking jobs for the families, being a slaver or ranger, helping Modoc with the drought, etc. Don't stress about the GECK until it falls in your lap.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fallout 1 = Serious game
    Fallout 2 = Parody game

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When will it be safe to talk about Fallout on Ganker again? It's literally impossible now.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Fallout 2 is a leaking mess

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Fabio singlehandedly destroyed all fallout discussion on Ganker for all eternity
    RANGEBAN ITALY

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fallout 1 is relatively short even if you do everything, but it's consistent and to the point. There's no real fat to trim, in fact it might be a bit too lean with a couple areas obviously suffering from rushing it out, but everything feels purposely placed and it quietly leads the play along a nicely paced main plot.

    Fallout 2 has a lot more stuff to do and more opportunities for interesting role-playing choices, but the content is more lumpy and uneven. You can feel how each area was written by a different person, and has a lot weird shit that can feel out of place like the plot of the last city focusing on a Scientology parody. The main plot isn't organized very well and you end up not even knowing much about who the main villains are even supposed to be until the game is almost over.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only New Vegas matters. All other games are inferior therefore irrelevant.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Only Troon Vegas matters. All other games are inferior therefore irrelevant.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I judge games by the quantity and quality of OC made by Ganker, because even an amateurish, hand-drawn MS Paint comic is evidence enough that someone genuinely cared about something. New Vegas has the most and highest quality OC of any Fallout game, therefore it's the game that people were most passionate about. Simple as.

    Is there any good Fallout 3 OC? I honestly can't remember any comics or memes except Dogmeat stepping on the landmines, which is more memorable as the bait it was turned into.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thats kind of a dumb metric to judge a game by. F1 gets less OC than F3 and yet the actual quality of F1 is probably the highest of the series. Do we need images of The Master wearing drip?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I give pre-meme culture games (90s, early 00s) an arbitrary bonus to account for this
        >Do we need images of The Master wearing drip?
        Yes.
        >your mutants can't breed, and that's ong (and this holodisk)
        >cap? CAP? cap? is everything i did... actually sus? SUS? sus?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ty

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I do like fallout 3 shame it didn't really work for decade and the last dlc was ass. But the krama system in the game is one of the best if not the best. But the quest are mostly good witch you can't say for 4.

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does this count as Fallout 3 OC?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's just paraphrased from Shamus Young's article "The Blistering Stupidity Of Fallout 3".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      At this point, this image is the legacy of Fallout 3. Even though it is just a (poor) paraphrase of someone else's words.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >game that has the exact same mechanics as the other lacks depth
    Fallout 2 is LITERALLY just more content. On that image it would just be wider but the same depth. You don't know what your're talking about. That image makes more sense for 3 vs NV, not 1 vs 2.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fallout 2 has:
    Lore ruining shit like talking deathclaws, ghosts, porn stars
    Terrible writing with 30 year old pop culture references being dropped constantly
    Boring NPCS
    Boring quests
    Terrible combat balance
    A lack of talking heads compared to the first game
    Nonsensical and lame main story that the player doesn't care about. Not once does the game even try to make you care.
    Thematically jarring areas like New Reno and San Fran that don't even feel like they belong in the same game next to cities like Klamath and Modoc

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >lore ruining
      >balance
      >jarring
      Just throw in "it doesn't know what it wants to be" and your transition will be complete.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    make the water brown for fallout 2

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What if it's F2 + RP though?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        add a pajeet shitting into it representing the RP

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    more=/=better
    fallout 2 gays wont accept that the pacing is terrible. by the time you get to the good stuff everyone has checked out of the game.

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fallout 1 was good, but very short.

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fallout: fun
    Fallout 2: more fun

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I didn't like 2 as much as i liked 1. The early game felt too long for me and i'm not fond of how they bloated the health of enemies compared to 1.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It just felt like more of the same for me, which is fine. I liked both.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1>2>nv>3>4

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Best QoL mods for Fallout 1&2?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >F1
      Fixt (Can be just Vanilla Bug Fixes) or Et Tu (Added Content)
      >F2
      Unofficial Patch (Vanilla Bug Fixes) or RPU (Added Content)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >QoL
      Just watch a youtube if you don't want to play the game.

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