Are they right to panic? I don't feel like people are particularly excited for XVI and every time someone presents criticism it's just brushed under the rug.
Will the 18 month plan really help or is that why they suddenly released info about FF7R2? To maintain relevance?
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1) >game journalism
2) They'll make up the difference once the PC port drops
3) I don't mind at all if Squeenix fails. They deserve it
PC players don't buy games.
Hope the pc cancer Black folk infestation ends soon.
What's wrong? Can't afford one? PC is just a catch-all platform and has been for over 20 years. I think the last time a console was as powerful as the avcerage gaming PC was the OG fat xbox, and that only lasted a month or so.
Truth is, we're in a multiplatform era. PC is still the best, because it's not locked down hardware-wise like an iphone. I don't think anyone on PC wants PS5 exclusives anyways, there are none. Same with xbox. We can emulate switch.
I still want bloodborne though, because I like to replay FROM games and I sold my PS4 just before the Old Hunters released.
PC port won't leverage shit. If a game depends on PC to be profitable, it's doomed because the master race doesn't buy games, buys only at 90% discount, or buys from key resellers (which result on a loss to the dev)
Now tell that to Capcom and Bamco.
Capcom releases sales units, not how much said units sell for.
Their financial reports tell the story, mate.
Their financial reports don't tell shareholders and the public how much they're selling each unit for.
And yet you'll continue to ignore the actual success Capcom has had for catering to the PC market, even with their continued denuvo homosexualry, these past few years.
Or how Elden Ring majority sold on PC.
Not to mention Yakuza games becoming more popular than ever thanks to Steam
I didn't ignore the actual success. You ignored how often PC sales are discounted and purchased via resellers. If PC sales were full price, Capcom would be even MORE successful. Elden Ring PC sales weren't the majority. Console sales were.
>Capcom would be even MORE successful
And they ARE because of PC.
>Elden Ring PC sales weren't the majority
Barely. And only if you literally combined every console. But it'll have way longer legs on PC regardless.
Again, you keep ignoring how PC sales are often discounted and purchased through resellers. I'm not ignoring Capcom's success. I think they would be even MORE successful if their games were purchased full price on PC. They almost never are.
And, no. It won't. Dark Souls 3 online servers were shut down for 7 months. When PC ports are that poorly ported, there's plenty of reason why consoles would remain competitive versus PC. Especially since consoles are now dominated by their own digital stores which is gives sales the same longer legs advantage that PC has had.
They might be a little right to panic, yeah. The brand name isn't as strong anymore (see FF13) and the MMO players aren't very intrested in a DMC game.
The rason all the problems are brushed off is because of shills.
>ff14 reshade, on vs off.
The initial trailer already looked underwhelming.
People are waiting on reviews or PC
This is now an FFXIII thread.
Her time to save Final Fantasy has come. Remaster and Remake are inevitable.
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Kusogaki needs correction.
How did this get three games
They made a brand new engine and a shitton of assets, game didn't sell as much as they thought it would, used the assets to make more games to try and scratch some more money.
Also, the director had a boner for Lightning
You're wrong 13 actually sold a lot and surpassed their expectatives. It was just controversial.
>controversial
You mean bad.
Not even that, just controversial. When you leave places like anonymous boards like Ganker 13 isnt nearly as polemic as people thing. Even 15 isnt that way.
Yea, when you leave Ganker, neither 13 or 15 are often talked about.
You already changed the point, so i guess you did understand what i said.
The point was that Ganker shits on 13 and 15, but they don't elsewhere. I brought up the point that even if that's the case, they barely get discussed at all, which suggests the places they aren't shit upon aren't discussed much.
Tell me which jrpgs are discussed a lot, anon.
Hard mode: one that isnt persona 5.
None. JRPGs are dying.
Sure, next week.
No, now. Dying is present tense. It is an on-going act. Your response would make more sense if I said, "JRPGs are dead". They're not dead, but they are dying.
Sure. In two weeks. I know this because our Ganker analysts also predicted SE dying 15 years ago, it will happen at any moment.
Its honestly a miracle they haven't gone under with how they constantly frick up.
They have more profits than ever.
And all those profits get spent on mediocre games that they don't market & don't sell worth a damn, that & making hyper detailed graphics for hair follicles for the next mainline FF. If FF & their mobile games ever stop making money they're fricked.
>that & making hyper detailed graphics for hair follicles for the next mainline FF.
But everyone says FF16 looks like shit.
I didn't say people bought it for the hair, that's just SE's obsession.
But FF16's hair looks like shit. Forspoken has nicer hair than FF16.
As every japanese company they have budget management. Even in the year where their biggest release was forspoken they only had a drop of 6% in their net income. This is what is making japanese companies thrive and western ones fumble. a FF game has 300 people in house. An assassins creed had 3000.
No, not in two weeks. JRPGs are dying NOW. They're dying now. They've been dying for a while. They'll continue to be dying for a while. One day, they'll be gone. And not in two weeks.
Sure, anon. At any moment...
Yea, right now. JRPGs are dying now. They've been dying for years. They're going to be dying for years to come. One day, JRPGs as we know it will be gone.
Just like the planet...kino.
The planet is dying if you talk to the environmentalist people. But JRPGs definitely are dying. They've been dying for a while now. They'll still live on a while longer, but they're fading into irrelevance.
The problem is they don't make them anymore. Persona 5 was huge because it was good. There is still a market there but they just don't make them.
Persona 5 relies a lot on Social Links
I think Dragon Quest is a better example, it's weird to see a current jrpg turn based game
I think SE should try again.
I hope Capcom tries with Breah of fire again
Well, I consider myself to be an oldschool jrpg fan, and I hate DQ11 more than anything because it's so fricking pozzed. It's literally hidden in my steam library right now.
>dq11
>pozzed
What?
Or maybe they're not made anymore cause the market for them is shrinking. And P5 wasn't huge. Breath of the Wild was huge. Elden Ring was huge. Animal Crossing New Horizons is huge. FFXIV is huge. Genshin Impact is huge. Spider-Man is huge. Fortnite is Huge. Call of Duty is Huge. FIFA is huge. Apex Legends is huge. Hogwarts Legacy is huge. Overwatch is huge. These are huge games. P5 is not huge.
Obviously it wasn't Fortnite huge, but it made a splash that went far beyond it's niche and Persona 6 will probably do fantastic because of it.
I used to be ignorant to it, but i kinda get it now. A game like Luigi's mansion 3 will effortlessly sell 12 million and P5 with all it's good word of mouth and being on every platform only sells about half. It's pretty fricking unbelievable honestly, maybe it's because JRPGs didn't bother localizing their franchises world wide until recently.
You don't get it, that's not how business works you moron
That's got nothing to do with JRPGs. If Nintendo released a Super Mario JRPG tomorrow it'd sell just as much if not more. Nintendo fans are a different breed, and will pay any price for anything Nintendo throws at them.
>If Nintendo released a Super Mario JRPG tomorrow it'd sell just as much if not more.
But they don't. And the closest thing to a JRPG that Nintendo has is one of its lowest selling franchises.
Ryza probably. Though I hated it.
You mean the last good FF?
imo that was xii, I'm replaying that now and despite it's flaws it's actually a fully realized game. Xiii I quit before the last stretch because I just couldn't take it anymore and I was such a FF gay back then. I've tried to play through it several times since then and I always uninstall after like 3 hours max. It does some stuff right, the cinematics are flashy and interesting but goddamn do I hate every single character.
>despite it's flaws it's actually a fully realized game.
Eh, I think it just has the benefit of the first ~25 hours being finished by an actually decent director
the game does very much fall apart though, it's just got enough going for it in the systems and setup it doesn't hit the ground nearly as hard as XIII
Where do you think it falls apart?
>As much as they thought it would
Do you have source, because what i implied is exactly what i said. 13 actually reached their metrics sales-wise.
This is the same Square Enix that said that Tomb Raider 2013 selling 4M was underwhelming.
They wanted to make a whole new mythology for the FFXIII (Fabula Nova Crystallis) yet they gave up after releasing FFXIII and saved face as they could. Why would they need to do that if it was such a financial success?
Did you ever google how much tomb raider 2013 cost? That game had the AAA budget for a project that would be really expensive in 2023.
SE game a free pass for those studios to use all the money they want. And they made a misery porn game. I like Eidos, but selling their western branch was the best idea SE ever had.
>And they made a misery porn game.
Yea, it was great.
>sexist men making Lara:
Strong, smart, cool, great body
>feminist men making Lara:
Puppy eyes, torture porn, crying, covered as much asap, legs are a sin
What did they mean by this
TR games did really well despite the awful writer. It just needed to come back with a less nun Lara Croft and that alone would sell
Its not only TR ip, they could have made a good use of Deus Ex, Soul Reaver, Hitman (?), etc, they are iconic and easily recognizable within all that western crap
Yeah but that's not how things work. When you make one of the most expensive games ever, you set yourself to harsh judgement. Saying "they just needed to change this", but who knows if they would still accomplish a game like that without burning that much money. We can only take things as they are.
Well yeah, Versus 13 was a thing too, not to mention Type-0
But basically, since FF13 didn't make any profits, Square ordered a sequel to it
How could a sequel do that?
By reusing most of the assets from the previous game
And since FF13-2 ended on a cliffhanger, yeah....
how does anyone find this appealing, her calf is thicker than her thigh which is clown length
This may shock you, but there was a time when everyone wasn't a fat ass.
>demo comes out
>It's good
Pre-orders explode.
>It's bad
DoA.
We'll know in a week.
But what if:
>it goes unplayed
Why FF16 interests me
1. Console exclusive means the game is made for a specific hardware.
2. Decent quality control with Yoshi P as producer.
3. While the Game of Thrones vibe is generic today, it at least is popular and makes fricking sense. Wacky slappy ‘creative’ Japanese aesthetics I am sick of. When Lord of the Rings trilogy of movies came out, all the fantasy games copied them (such as World of Warcraft). It was fine then. It is fine today.
4. FF16 is designed to be an English narrative game. This is very unique for a Final Fantasy. This might be why Yoshi P is upset over the "JRPG" label. Will it help them break into the Western market? I don’t know. Final Fantasy is interesting because it is Western influenced but not entirely Western. This might make the game seem more generic since it won’t stand out to WRPGs. We shall find out.
5. I knew this game was serious when I saw that it was coming with a CLOTH MAP. Old WRPGs had cloth maps.
6. Game is said to be "complete" and not needing patches. Yeah, they might just be saying this. But this might be true since it is on a single console. Octopath Traveler was exclusive to Switch, and Square Enix said the same for that game. It might be true. The game doesn’t look unfinished or anything. It looks like it is complete.
7. Final Fantasy 15 left such a sore taste in people’s mouths, that I think Square Enix is trying to undo that damage. Just as Capcom’s Street Fighter 6 is so feature complete at launch compared to the non-feature complete Street Fighter 5, I think 16 will be a reversal of 15.
8. Crystals and High Fantasy. Frick yeah. Get out of here with the "modern" stuff. I don’t care if it is Game of Thrones inspired. Either be a fantasy game or go away.
9. Game is easy on the eyes. It looks beautiful.
10. Not Open World.
Why FF16 DON'T interests me
1. It has homos
Have you taken into account:
1. Homos exist
Reportedly
Not a problem for me, I love sucking wiener.
No one asked, shill.
>actually gives reasons on why hes excited
>"muh shill"
kys moron
the "reasons" are homosexualry no-one but a shill would spout
>second point its already about yoshi p
Is Yoshi P the Kojima for trans and degenerates?
> Are they right to panic? I don't feel like people are particularly excited for XVI and every time someone presents criticism it's just brushed under the rug
Yes. That is why combat designer have to explain the combat system. A combat system is always easy to learn and hard to master. But ff16 combat is not.
> Will the 18 month plan really help or is that why they suddenly released info about FF7R2? To maintain relevance?
Probably after 4/5months when Spider-Man 2 come out, no one will remember this game again.
It's over
This is SE fault OP, and its very simple
>Fans wand a classic FF game with the medieval stuff. Any anon that tells you otherwise is a fricking contratian or part of the Barry cult
>Game is only in 1 console, so that will of course affect the potential sales numbers
>FF XV kinda left a bad taste in old and new players.
>Lastly, remember how SE pumped up so much money for the FF XV promotional materials? Yeah, FF16 really doesnt have that autistic push that SE used for 15
I feel like they didn't understand that FF7 remake's success was largely because of its nostalgia factor.
I just don't know why they expect this game to gain traction when its not casualbait or streamerbait.
How is it not casualbait?
>Cinematic movie
>Inspired by normalgay shit like Game of Throne
>Action because casuals don't like turn-based games
>Not open world
>No multiplayer
Those are the two big casual baits. It may be trying to be a melodramatic movie game like Last of Us or God of War but its not showcasing that well enough if it is.
>reportedly
I have to ask, who reported that SE is panicking in the first place?
Why does Barry hate XIV when there are so many XII references in it?
>PS5 exclusive
There's your problem
>time gated
PlayStation knew exactly what they had and so did square this all pr bullshit
I don't think so. The game just looks painfully boring and bland.
I wish Bazzy looked like this.
https://twitter.com/drellatsun/
if bazzy looked like this I'd be okay with the endless shitposts.
>all the yoshi-P cultists just have the ff14 trannies on their side
>barry has a qt e-girl
barry keeps winning...
>preorders stop working
Good frick them always trying to get a
Let up
Huh? Do you seriously think this is ghe game people will stop preordering?
>every mainline FF in the past 20 years has been disappointing
>preorder? hmmm, nah. I'm gonna wait and see brah.
The FF brand is damaged.
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Plastic looking Face.
Small indie developer.
This. Capcom knows how to make hot vidya girls while FF is still stuck between this uncanny limbo between anime and realism.
>tendie trying capcom vs ff
Didnt you try this shit with sf6 and t8?
Pathetic tendies and their gametheyhate1 vs gametheyhate2
Pathetic Zeldagay falseflagger, when you can't stop insulting SF6
Frick why is Claire hotter than I remember?
True, but it's not like Nomura is a saint either. KH3 proved that the man has no idea how to tell a story, and pic related isn't helping matters.
Final Fantasy is no longer a AAA franchise anymore. It's a relic of a bygone era, like Halo.
AAA just means budget. FFXVI is AAA. Halo is still AAA (even if all the recent games suck and nobody cares about them).
>FFXVI is AAA
Then why to the facial animations look like they're from an indie title?
You dont play a single indie game. Shut up moron.
Or wow are you a psychic or something? Yes I do moron. This game made by a literally who on a budget of less than $20k has facial animations that absolutely destroy FFXVI's.
How much is SE paying you to be a damage control prostitute by the way, or are you doing it for free?
First FF thread? SE pays a LOT to have shills on the ready on social sites.
Good for the shills, cause they're obviously overcharging SE for their work.
That's probably true. But what are they suppose to do when abons keep going off script?
Nothing. They're still getting paid.
>abons
Subtle Barry callout?
It is AAA it just isn't the flagship of all JRPGs anymore.
Unpopular opinion but Persona sells better, costs less to make and has higher normalgay-appeal than FF has now. I'd argue Atlus is in the driver seat when it comes to JRPGs these days.
Persona 5 is a 2016 role-playing video game
Persona 5 Royal reaches 3.3 million units sold, with total sales surpassing 8 million copies in 01.12.2022 14:56
Sure. Better than ff15
Yes. FF15 spent 10 years in development hell and needed 10m to break even. Oh and FF7R sold 5m which os pathetic.
If Persona is flagship JRPG, the genre is clearly dying.
This, FF used to matter to this industry it used to mean something it used to be huge but now no one seems to give a shit about it anymore
how many of these fricking threads de we need
I think part of it is Square Enix corporate suits being their usual selves in being fricking delusional in their sales expectations.
Them slightly panicking doesn't necessarily even indicate bad state of preorders, they might just really expect that this should be their most hype game of all eternity.
What should be their most hype game?
Do you know the bar isn’t high for FF16? but I guess mmo developers are just incompetent for this task.
>Sep 2018
>May 2022
Why the huge gap in the chart?
They report 10mil as a milestone in may 2022
Yea, but why didn't they report sales every year between Sep 2018 and May 2022?
They did i dont know why its not on that chart
in nov 2018 they reported 8.4m
in October 2019 they reported 8.9m
in feb 2021 9.5m
in nov 2021 9.8m
then may 2022 they said it was "over 10m"
Now make a chart with those data points to fix their mistake.
Nobody cares about DMC-like combat anymore.
>anymore
When did people care about DMC-like combat?
PS2 era.
if its a good game. ppl will play it by word of mouth. Will play it again for pc.
They should have just stuck to remaking their classic games like Capcom has been doing. Its easy money as FF7 remake has already proven.
This report says sales dropped off rather fast for the FF7R remake.
>5m sales
>easy money
5 million sales on one console is pretty good.
From their golden goose on a console with a 100m+ customer install base? That's abysmal Anon.
> Hogwarts Legacy sold over 12 million copies and raked in $850 million in sales in the first two weeks following its PS5, Xbox Series X/S and PC release on February 10.
It is reasonable to assume PS5 got at least 40% sale in two weeks which is close to 5mil.
The 5 million figure is an update from August the same year it released in April. So what is your point? That FF7 remake would sell more if it were on more consoles? Thanks for stating the obvious.
if they want to beat FF15, they just need 5mil in first year. see here
>bribery to make PS5 exclusive
Who going to take the fall this time?
It will be the old-school JRPG fas ffor not getting with the times.
SE doesn't seem to realize that the interest in them as a company and the games that they make has waned considerably. People are looking to other places for RPGs and most don't care about whatever franchise that SE has it's hand in by lue of simply buying whatever company they could at the time, such as Tomb Raider. SE will downsize in 10 years, in 20, they will barely exist.
the aesthetic only appeals to FF14 gamers, but unfortunately since FF14 has PS2 graphics none of those players have PS5 most likely. The entire franchise will probably collapse after this flop.
They've made their bed let them lie in it. This is what you get for chasing an audience that thinks you're cringe and will never change their minds no matter how hard you pander to them
Breath of the Wild changed their minds.
/v/tendo has been saying RE4R and SF6 would flop and kill Capcom and look
it’s all in your head Barry. seek help.
>no pc port
dead game
>ps5 exclusive
april fool's worthy
Nintendo games do fine without PC ports.
And the game is on PS5, not Nintendo.
Would it sell better if it was on Nintendo?
Probably, there sure are more people who owns a Switch than people who owns a PS5
But I thought switchgays hated ff16. So in the end it was just jealousy
If there are more people who own a Switch than own a PS5, why is it a "probably"? Shouldn't it be a certainty?
Because that's for old women, children and pedos. Capcom and From dont need nintendo since the games are for real players
Most zelda fans are unironically old women
Nintendo also only appeals to kids
Is that why Ganker is full of Nintendo fans?
yes. See: Zelda threads
Those are spammed and die before reaching 100 posts
Kids are the ones spamming them because they have a switch version of garry's mode + minecraft
Nintendo is for little kids (and pedos being horny playing with toddlers)
Ganker is a pedo board so no wonder this place is the way it is
Square Enix's main star is not FFXVI, though. It's FFVIIR.
It's wholely unsurprising that preorders would lag. Up until now, people were pretty confident of what kind of game they were getting when they buy FF. Now they're not too sure. Of course more people are gonna wait and see.
It's not worth panicking about, but SE are fricking stupid as all fricking frick to think their brand alone would always guarantee amazing numbers no matter what they did with it. Even a single moment of critical thought would've told somebody "hey this is a big change, maybe people won't be as confident in it at first?"
Boomers ruling companies are the problem. Stop accepting easy money, Capcom just release their stuff everywhere and this made them even more popular
Stop accepting PS5 and epic deals
Capcom doesn't have any games that sell 30M copies like Breath of the Wild.
Capcom has a lot of ips that sell a lot
Besides cod and witcher sold more than botw and tendies boycotted the threads so if a game sells more you would just insult the fans
CoD legitimately outsells everything Nintendo does but Witcher 3 is bargain bin fodder most people bought for $5 or less
Nintendo has a lot of IPs that sell a lot. A lot more than Capcom and they sell it only on one platform. CoD sells more cause it's bigger. Witcher 3 is the only game from CD Prokjekt Red that sells well. Nintendo has sold nearly 400M units of first-party titles on the Switch alone.
Capcom games are fun and a solid fanbase
Meanwhile zeldafans seethe at a gacha chink which made way more money than Zelda
Capcom games are fun and have a solid fanbase. That has nothing to do with Capcom's approach to multiplatform releases which haven't helped any single Capcom release eclipse the Nintendo Switch's best console exclusive titles.
Why is there always some zeldagay obsessed with ff16 and capcom threads talking about sales?
This is what gets me too, The Witcher 3 sold 50 million, CoD is super popular, but mods ban the second one and W3 threads get invaded by nintendies saying sales don't matter and game is shit
>Why is there always some zeldagay obsessed with ff16 and capcom threads talking about sales?
Because there's always some Capcomgay obsessed with FF16 and Zelda threads talking shit about sales.
>Zeldagay kissing ff16gays butt now
Lmao, Capcomgays dont need saleshomosexualry and they just discuss games
Meanwhile your threads need porn and controversial bait to make it
>Lmao, Capcomgays dont need saleshomosexualry and they just discuss games
>Boomers ruling companies are the problem. Stop accepting easy money, Capcom just release their stuff everywhere and this made them even more popular
Stop accepting ps5 and epic deals
What is wrong with that post? I have a ps5 and I agree blocking Steamgays and ps4gays is not a good idea
I loved Jack games and I hated that Epic killed it and neo there
said
>>Lmao, Capcomgays dont need saleshomosexualry and they just discuss games
but
brought up saleshomosexualry
If you agree blocking steamgays and PS4gays is not a good idea, alright. But Nintendo games sell much better than Capcom games despite blocking Steamgays and PS4gays.
You are moronic. I dont care if a game sells well or bad as long as I like it, but blocking fans is moronic if they care this much, not to mention a lot of ps4 users dont have a ps5 so they cant play ff16
Also yes, Capcom threads>>>
threads
If you don't care if a game sells well or not, but care that blocking fans is moronic, then why don't you care that Nintendo blocks non-Nintendo users from their games.
Nintendo is for kids and pedos going after kids
Do you seriously think all those Disney shows starring little kids are for kids and not for pedos?
Nintendo blocking kids and pedos from their video games is even worse. Those fans can't play Nintendo games on their PC and Playstations.
Nintendo only blocked the chat function because it was full of groomers sending horny messages to kids
Its harder to find toddlers on pc and ps
Nintendo blocked fans and pedos alike from enjoying sweet, child grooming on huge platforms like PC and Playstation.
And? It's still the main platform if you want to play with little kids, knowing they are playing with a toddler makes them horny already
And Nintendo is wrong for blocking non-Nintendo fans from enjoying playing with little kids. It's wrong.
I agree, I'm shit at fighting games but I have been enjoying World Tour. It's true sf6 could be better visually but you get used to it but so far it has been funnier than sf5
Also I cant wait to see RE Death Island cringekino with Ganker
I do think it's a different market. People buy a switch for zelda, pokemon and mario and that's it, for the rest people go to pc, ps or xbox. This year there are a lot of third parties not coming to switch, even fightinggames are being drowned by SF6, Tekken 8, MK1 in such a short time
I think the audience is very different, other ips don't sell as well on Switch like Dark Souls port, Metroid, and O suspect smt5 would sell better if it was multiplatform, similar to Fatal Frame
Finally finished BN1 and on my way to BN2. Wish there were more games like that
>I do think it's a different market. People buy a switch for zelda, pokemon and mario and that's it, for the rest people go to pc, ps or xbox. This year there are a lot of third parties not coming to switch, even fightinggames are being drowned by SF6, Tekken 8, MK1 in such a short time
>I think the audience is very different, other ips don't sell as well on Switch like Dark Souls port, Metroid, and O suspect smt5 would sell better if it was multiplatform, similar to Fatal Frame
I don't know what you're talking about. We're talking about why games are exclusives and whether or not it's right to keep fans from those games due to exclusivity. Nintendo is the only publisher that doesn't put their games on any other platform. Everyone else puts their games on multiple platforms.
99% of all Capcom threads exist soley because of Cammy wearing loose clothing.
There are a lot of people discussing wt and sharing movesets
DD threads are comfy as frick, megaman bn threads have been amazing, RE threads are fun and SF6 is unironically comfy except when zeldagays try to boycott it with muh pozzed
Also other games that sell better than yours are never spammed in this board or get immediately boycotted for selling better
Nta but what are you talking about? I have been a Capcomgay and I'm looking forward FF16
FF16 and dd2 are the games I'm looking forward the most
I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about this Capcomgay
This, it's like when they pretend you can't like DD, elden ring and FF16
This is why I dislike Nuzeldagays, I must be the only one who enjoyed even Zelda games that didn't sell much and never cared about sales
What you're really complaining about isn't generational, but hedge fundies of all ages.
Put the blame where it belongs and get those shits out of company's asses.
Well phrased Anon.
What are Square Enix's expectations because they don't seem normal compared to others. They thought the Tomb Raider series was disappointing and that franchise has hit 95 million as of the end of 2022. Then they got dunked by selling it to Embracer and they doubled their money by selling to Amazon. Square Enix's thoughts of what is a success is a little skewed.
SE is often mocked as the EA of Japan.
EA is worth $40 billion in market cap alone.
I don't really think it's the economic aspect they're refering to.
What do you think they're referring to?
>SE is often mocked as the EA of Japan.
Truly the most moronic take i heard today when Bandai Namco exists.
que yoshit piss crying on stream
As much as I'm planning to buy (and enjoy) this game on release, I can't shake the feeling out of my head that by making this game for everyone they ultimately ended up making it for nobody.
I think doing something similar to FF7r's combat would've been best but they streamlined or outright removed so many elements from the franchise that this game just ends up feeling bland at least from first impressions
There is no desire for natural growth in SE. Everything must chase trends.
Think they hit the panic button. Hopefully we get some Rebirth news next week
I think they have an uphill battle because the FF name hasn't really meant anything in at least a decade. FFXIII and FFXV came and went and never really made their mark in the video game world, FFXIV might have the same name as the rest of the series but the people who play XI and XIV aren't always the same people buying the singleplayer games.
People who wanted the gameplay of the old titles aren't getting what they want with XVI and people who want a Japanese style fantasy world are losing out to a Game of Thrones clone. The only people who feasibly have anything to look forward to are Matsuno fans who might get a story on par with FFT or TO, but that's such a small subset of the playerbase that it's not going to move copies.
Instead, all signs point to XVI trying to replicate the gameplay of Devil May Cry and other action games while propping itself up with possible good storytelling which can't be seen at all in the previews of the game. So it doesn't surprise me that XVI is trying to crawl its way to prominence because the series as a whole is trying to do that.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
How much did SoP sell? Wasn’t that an action game? Ganker seemed to like it, but I’m actually not sure how it did. Maybe sales expectations should be low
Probably did below SE expectation. It was fricking awesome tho.
Pretty sure SE called it "below expectations" like NEO TWEWY but both were screwed by EGS marketing black hole. Even if steam release bumped the numbers i doubt there was much difference or SE would already be bragging about it.
SoP didnt sell much because it didnt even get a tenth of the marketing FF16 got.
Its a great game and people here liked it because it was batshit insane and rightfully labeled as a spinoff. People dont mind action gameplay in a FF game when its not labeled mainline.
And funny enough SoP has way more RPG mechanics than 16 too from the looks of it.
Even ff16 marketing was stopped for months because SE focused on fricking Forspoken. They sent Harvestella, SoP, Neo the world ends with you, Star Ocean 6 and VP to fricking die unnoticed
Sure Blackrock pays well, but that damaged their brand too much
Are any of those games actually good though? I love jrpg's and none of those seemed remotely interesting to me.
SoP is amazing
Neo is underrated as frick, it's pretty good
SO6 is underrated
Harvestella you love it or hate it
Valkyrie is okay but could be better, still better and cheaper than Forspoken
Not even Snoy would use a black woman as a protagonist. Hell Abby should be black and they made the character white
Nadine and that other one from gowr can't survive without Drake or Kratos being on the cover
Actually I'm sure Chloe's spin off would have sold more if it was chloe and charlie, not Nadine kek
Not the marketing only, Epic store, then shadowdrop the game on steam during a busy month kek
Just like with NEOTWEWY shadowdropping a day before fricking Persona 5
I'm convinced someone at S-E has a hateboner on Nomura, they won't even let him make Verum Rex
I'm just pissed that the Origins idea wont get expanded into a series at this point.
Lots of potential for side/prequel stories in other FF universes.
If I factored a games financial success into how much I enjoy it I would be playing AI generated gachaslop like genshin.
>thread killed by Lightninggays
>Thread saved by Clairechads
>barryposting stops when bragging about Nintendo sales
Very interesting
And it returns as soon as you call it out. Fascinating. Of course I might get defensive as well if the one game capable of beating Zelda for GOTY is 2 weeks away.
>ff16 losing to Game Night
APOLOGIZE, Capcomtards, FFtroons
Normalgays dont want to play flashy character action DMC shit.
If Square REALLY wanted to appeal to a wider western audience the combat needed to be slowed down and grounded.
Doom eternal is the most video gamey western triple a game of the past decade and is basically a character action game, the old gow games still sold well even if they were less movie compared to nu gow
Dude Doom Eternal sold like 3M by 2020. And this is a shooter with a long history that had proven success with 2016.
XVI is trying to throw so much shit at the wall in hopes of finding an audience again.
>XVI is trying to throw so much shit at the wall in hopes of finding an audience again.
Worked for Breath of the Wild.
The real problem is PS5 exclusivity. If this was on PC day one, it would do gangbusters. Watch them release it in a year on the Epic store, lmfao
>If this was on PC day one, it would do gangbusters.
Like Forspoken?
Forspoken was shit and nobody cared about it. NEO TWEWY and SoP would have sold better with day 1 Steam release, or at least TWEWY. The optimization issues with SoP probably would had happen anyway
And Breath of the Wild did great and never touched PC. What's your point?
How does that help sales?
A lot of people I know who emulate, also buy the game.
Why would they buy the game then emulate it?
Because, contrary to what you see on Ganker, the vast majority of the gaming public actually want to pay for games they play.
You're telling me if the vast majority of the gaming public could play a better version of a video game for free, they wouldn't and would feel compelled to spend $200-350 for a Switch and then $60 for the game to then play an inferior version on inferior hardware.
No, I'm saying that a vast majority of people who emulate games on their PCs, end up buying those games despite not owning the system the games are meant for.
A lot of hyper-normalgays have unopened boxes in their homes of games they don't own the system for but that they emulated and enjoyed that way.
No, you are said
>the vast majority of the gaming public actually want to pay for games they play.
You're NOW saying the vast majority of people who emulate games on their PC. But you're telling me 80% of people who emulate games on their PC then go out and pay full price for said game even though they cannot play it because they did not buy the console said game would work with.
You're also telling me hyper-normalgays, which I don't think is a thing because how can you be anymore normal than normal, went out and paid full price for a bunch of games they cannot play and enjoyed doing that. By the way, is the "hyper-normalgay" demographic a subsection of the normalgay demographic?
Do you not know how to read? You misunderstood my last post and you misunderstood the one before it? Is this what happens when you partake in too many FF threads?
Your last post said
>the vast majority of the gaming public actually want to pay for games they play.
The gaming public is like 2 billion people or something. You then changed it to people who emulate and then hyper-normalgay people which I don't think is a thing.
But alright. I misunderstood your post and the one before it. Apparently you were talking about...well, if not how people pay full price for retail games they will never touch because they feel compelled to after emulating a superior version of the game for free, then I don't know.
What the frick am I reading.
Part of a chain you that goes back multiple posts. If you read only one post in that chain, you're bound to be confused.
I dont know why are you bringing Switch. We are talking about PS5
No, you're talking about FFXVI not coming to PC.
And the game is not on PC because is stuck on PS5, if it was stuck on Switch it would have better preorders out of userbase alone. But is irrelevant because adding PC to the mix could increase the numbers on both situations
The Switch userbase has shown little appetite for Final Fantasy games and little appetite for Third-party games. Pre-orders for a FF16 Switch exclusive wouldn't be better after the shitshows of FF7R, FFXV, FFXIV 1.0, FFXIII and its trilogy. And adding PC release to Nintendo games would help sales, but Nintendo doesn't. Playstation and Xbox do though.
This
Ok, switchgays this year/2024:
Totk
PC/Ps/Xbox:
Resident Evil 4 Remake
Street Fighter 6
Starfield
Hi Fi Rush
Final Fantasy 16
Diablo 4
Dragon Dogma 2
MGS3 remake
Star Wars
Tekken 8
Mortal Kombat 1
Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth
Etrian HD trilogy
Megaman Batle Network Collection
Potential Tales of
Persona 3 Remake
Persona 5 T.
Granblue
Amnesia: The Bunker
Alan Wake 2
Alone in the Dark
Silent Hill 2 Remake
Silent Hill Ascension
Outlast trials
Lies of P
Atelier Marie Remake
Hellblade 2
Yakuza Kiryu Boomer crisis edition
And more I'm forgetting
>in before shit
Just because you consider them shit it doesn't mean gamers are not interested on them
Hell this month alone there are 3 games eating each other or forcing interested people to delay the shopping
PC/PS/Xbox have A LOT of games releasing this year. Switch only has TotK. Now, let me copy and paste, like the map of 2023's GOTY winner, what I just said:
>The Switch userbase has shown little appetite for Final Fantasy games and little appetite for Third-party games. Pre-orders for a FF16 Switch exclusive wouldn't be better after the shitshows of FF7R, FFXV, FFXIV 1.0, FFXIII and its trilogy. And adding PC release to Nintendo games would help sales, but Nintendo doesn't. Playstation and Xbox do though.
What are you smoking? Third party games always sell best on Switch.
>inb4 percentages
Finally someone say it
PC has way more games
It does. Like millions of games. And yet none of them are worth playing because PC gamers keep asking for or talk about playing games from other platforms.
>passive agressive again
Ah of course the zeldafan is a barren woman. I'm pretty sure PCgays are suffering with all those games you can't play on Switch
>but they emulated muh game!
They emulate other games too only that those are not crybabies like you
If PCgays were happy with all their games, they wouldn't be portbegging for games at every possible opportunity. I'm sure PC users emulate a lot of games. Piracy is the number one advantage of the PC platform.
But you know every ps5 “exclusive” is shit in /v as long as it isn’t on pc
Forspoken had 0 advertising for pc
nobody even knew if was there
So, if Steam had plastered Forspoken ads all over its front page, Forspoken would've sold like hotcakes.
>The real problem is PS5 exclusivity
Nah not even PS5 users are interested in the game. The issue runs deeper than that. Game simply looks boring and wholly generic.
>The real problem is PS5 exclusivity.
Wouldn't say that
Ever heard of the term "system-seller"
Either way, I think the main reason why pre-orders are low, is FF15, and how shit that game was
I guess even hardcore fans now wait for the first let's plays and such
>Ever heard of the term "system-seller"
This isnt the system seller you think it is
That's the best part about system-sellers
You never know if a game is gonna be one, or not
Yes, you know it because those system sellers use to come out with the console or within the first months of its live, not 3 years after NOTHING
the game looks like shit, ps3 graphics and quick time events
square enix has been releasing trash for years now
You always got Playstation Studios.
they make all the characters so ugly, why cant we at least get hot lesbians
I'm convinced half the negative posts in these threads are FF16 fans waiting to screencap their own posts in the archive after FF16 releases and doesn't flop just so they could laugh at the "doomposters." Let's be honest, when was the last time a major franchise actually flopped?
gaylo but other than that idk
More like tendies being negative and getting it wrong again like with RE4R
They are also saying sf6 is invaded by bots
This. Pretty much all the games nintendies doompost end up doing well
Yeah, it's "tendies" doomposting. Like how they doomposted TotK for years and that failed. It's totally not just jaded Ganker homosexuals that don't play games desperately clinging to the hope of getting a new TORtanic so they can vindicate not buying or playing games by playing it off as "see the game was bad, therefore I'm not poor, I'm righteous."
Anon nobody cares about totk as much as you wish, most doompost threads about totk die and a lot of them are made by tendies themselves
Just accept people have more games to look forward to
Nice revisionism TORtanic homosexual.
If course it won't flop you moron but the sales would be fricking laughable compared to the previous two big budget FF games.
FF15 had the versus 13 hype behind for a decade, its another dmc1 helping dmc2 sales and dmc2 game affecting dmc3 sales
>le dmc2 to dmc3 comparison
This fricking cope again. XV released after the XIII, a very critically panned game yet it sold like hotcakes.
Versus 13 had NOMURA all over it and KH gameplay, and it was supposed to be the savior. Actually Versus 13 trailer stole FF13 attention for a while, it was supposed to be le dark FF
That's what zeldagays do
>post totk cover
>UUUH THIS IS SO BAD
>reply himself with smug Zelda
>GAME IS FAILING GUYS HAHA, LOOK LOOK, THE GAME IS FAILING, I DID THAT GUYS
TORtanic Discord moved on from Zelda quickly.
I have a PS5 and I'm not buying FF16.
XVI is definitely going to underperform.
I expect it to do like 3M in the first year and maybe 4M by 2024.
We live in a timeline where a new Persona game is likely to be an even bigger success both commercially and critically than a new FF game.
>mogs SMT
>mogs FF
>mogs Xenoblade
King of JRPGs
More like dating-sim lmfao
Nah that's DQ
Yes. And that doesn't have anything to do with combat, or setting, or characters. It has to do with staying true to what made your brand successful to being with.
In marketing, natural growth is drawing customers to a growing product by coordinating it's growth. This is the exact opposite of what SE are doing by not allowing their products to grow naturally and instead chasing new audiences.
You can see the difference in approach very clearly between Persona and Final Fantasy.
>And that doesn't have anything to do with combat, or setting, or characters. It has to do with staying true to what made your brand successful to being with.
Persona is succesful for one reason: coomerbait social links.
Fricking this. It's for coomers who wish they could have all the underaged pussy they want because they don't look as kewllll and edgy as the Persona MCs
I play Persona so I can frick pedophiles.
How did SMT5 do btw
The time to panic was a decade ago when they had already ruined the brand name with an entire console generation of XIII and XIV 1.0 had totally bombed, while XV was stuck in development hell. FF's reputation has been in the shitter ever since 2009. Only a complete idiot would even give a shit about a new one at this point.
Eh, im just waiting for switch 2 to seal their fate, cant wait for it to collectively end most jap publishers.
Windows is sinking with xbox
is FFXV an enternal thorn on Square enix's side? It was comercially a failure but a financial sucess I think. People will go on about how it sold so much which is technically true, but then forget the endless marketing it had
>movie in theaters
>fricking stand by me
>nonstop presentations
>20 dollar re-release
Even if future games are better how are they gonna live up to that.
I genuinely think 13 was the more damaging for the brand than 15 was. 13-3 barely moved a million units and had run the Final Fantasy brand so hard into the ground it's a miracle 15 managed to do as well as it did.
And before you scream "Barry", I hated FF15, it was an awful game filled with nothing, with characters that barely did anything in a story that went nowhere.
I mean I agree, 13 and 15 ruined the franchise for most people. As a kid 13 trilogy is what caused me to lose interest, I have no idea why Nomura gets so much shit when it's Toriyama who set everything a blaze.
all of the Black folk who work with Kitase including Kitase are responsible
It was the double whammy that did it. You had 13 and versus 13, and when 13 didn't deliver people placed all their hope and hype on the versus. Instead they got 15, along with the botched 14 1.0.
13 lasted too much, even though I liked 13-2 and LR
15 removed like 90% of the story, the trailers have more fricking scenes than the final game
14 while succesful being a subscription game is a pain in the ass
Just try to make a mix of ff7r action and turns. Ever Crisis seems to be doing this but that one is gacha
>I genuinely think 13 was the more damaging for the brand than 15 was. 13-3 barely moved a million units and had run the Final Fantasy brand so hard into the ground it's a miracle 15 managed to do as well as it did.
Most damaged it did tonthe brand, was that god awful engine they made for it, which was a pain in the ass to use, afaik
And even if 13 was a turd in itself, it was still a more complete game than 15 ever was
And 15 is considered a success?
They cancelled dlcs for that game
>Japan
>physical
>COMG
>2023
>no deluxe edition, collector's edition, or PS5 bundle available at COMG
>still #1 and points increasing every day since the launch trailer dropped
Yeah, sure, another Tortanic. Like Elden Ring and RE4R. Or Tortanic itself which turned out highly profitable in the end. Lmao Ganker.
If this was coming out on pc day 1 I would probably be sucking it's dick despite feeling like a battered wife as a hardcore FF fan. Unfortunately, it's only on ps5 and I couldn't get one when I actually wanted one so they can go frick themselves. I hope it crashes and burns.
I hope this game succeeds because of no forced bullshit, yoshida's interviews are hilarious
>sorry no blacks
>if you play easy mode you're a homosexual
>turn based is cringe
this is great
Considering the pontential install base is way bigger than XV, sure. The only other factor is that pre ordering is probably less popular nowadays.
People forget how bad FF13 was for this franchise, everyone was so tired of it. Why the frick was it allowed to have 3 games? I'm so confused, it literally set the franchise back by a decade.
Did you forget about the Gucci commercials? They thought they made some timeless classic still at the top of the graphics world with an insane deep story.
Sorry, it was Prada and Louis Vuitton.
They really thought they caught Lightning (LMAO) in a bottle.
13-2 and LR were made in 1.5 years each. Pacing of games in the 90s.
The reason FF took this long with mainline games was because the other team who was supposed to take mainline titles went to make a shit mmo that would almost kill the company.
See
Yoshit-Piss MMO team was a mistake.
>reportedly
it's over for FF16 bros...
GoQ sold well due to massive marketing push and 95+ Metacritic.
FF16 will have neither.
People irl dont care about metacritics, at most youtubers
>bundles
>last two mainline games were shit
>KH3 was shit
>FF7R was alright but ruined by time jannies and Nomura autism
I think people have just lost faith in SE. I think it'll be decent, but Final Fantasy's brand image is pretty tarnished at this point.
I don't get why anyone thinks this is surprising or a big deal, especially Square Enix. Final Fantasy XV was a fricking mess from development to release. The signs were there, but people pre-ordered anyway and got burned. Now those same people are being more cautious, despite FFXVI looking to be a frickton better than literally any Final Fantasy game we've seen in over a decade. The pre-order numbers don't mean squat. The game's going to come out, get glowing reviews and people will know it's safe to buy.
>much smaller budget than XV
>releasing on a fraction of the platforms
>the platform it’s releasing on has a much smaller install base than XV’s platforms
SE needs to hire better analysts if they are legitimately surprised it’s tracking behind XV. That being said, no, I don’t believe OP’s story.
Square Enix has been accepting sony and epic money
They are the ones who sold fricking tomb raider for not selling 80 millions in 5 minutes, what did you expect
And i'm glad for that every day.
>SE
it's just some random paki on patreon, unironically.
4 days later nobody corroborates his story
i'm not a sales gay, i just want the game to be good
Wrong millennium brother. Better luck next time.
I don't like hack and slash shit.
Sorry Yoshi Piss-Poo.
Capcom's upcoming pedobait will be a success
Genuinely how is square enix doing?
Taller is better.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/259720/square-enixs-annual-sales-by-segment/
ok so they're doing ok, compared to a decade ago anyway. they need better quality control, how the frick did forspoken even happen.
Giving your most unsable team who works with a bad engine a writing team full of holywood writers.
if they can avoid making flops, then they would be in a perfectly good state. A game like forspoken should'nt happen under any competent company. It makes sense to release a mediocre game once in awhile but it feels like sq has these giant flops yearly.
SE gives their teams a lot of rope. The more to hang themselves with if they fail, but a lot more to expand if they succeed. SE rented out the Tokyo Dome for an upcoming FFXIV Fan Festival event in January. It can hold 55k people, though I doubt they're expecting that many.
Financially and stock-wise at their best moment in more than 20 years.
Why do you keep replying to these threads?