Probably yeah. Everyone was on board because they saw the big numbers FF7 remake did, but didn't think to ask if people would buy the mediocre combat system attached to anything but some of the most recognizable characters in all of vidya
spoiler:they didn't
>Cloud is a playable character in the most popular party game in the world on top if already being iconic part of vidya history >Cuckive is some literally who homosexual from a shitty exclusive on a dead console that stopped being discussed months ago
Shouldn't have started this argument, tranny. Now take another massive L.
Cope Barry, FFXVI is a masterpiece that will sell +10M units once it gets released on PC and people will actually give it a chance instead of crying over a game they haven't played.
Reminder this poster is an autistic 30-something loser obsessed with convincing people over a vietnamese basket-weaving forum Yoshida's game isn't dogshit.
It's not arguable. Clive is more recognizable than Mario at this point. Half of the kids I saw trick or treating this year were dressed as Clive. "Clivemania" is in full swing and Square is scrambling trying to figure out what to do with the surprise popularity of their new mascot.
>not a FF fan, never played one of the games >hop into this thread because I'm curious anyway >see this >lol
I don't even onow who Clive is or what game he's from.
i've never played a final fantasy game and never will
but i know who cloud is because of his pointy yellow anime hair and massive fuckoff sword
but who in the ACTUAL fuck is Clive?
lightning is popular because of cum. she took off not because her games are good but because other than the vile trickery the games force you to endure, her visuals are the only memorable thing. and there's no way noctis is popular - if he is, it's because of female cum (not that i want to repeat myself). no one except barry liked his game because it's impossible to like
Clive is certainly a better main character.
Cloud was self-insert bait for the most pathetic otaku for two decades. Some manchildren just can’t grow up. These people can’t self-insert as Clive because he makes them feel inadequate.
Cloud is certainly a better main character.
Clive was self-insert bait for the most pathetic amerimutt losers for over three months (already forgotten). Some manchildren just can’t grow up. These people can’t self-insert as Cloud because he makes them feel inadequate.
You are a homosexual. You don't become iconic over night much less than under a year. Clive matters as much as Square is willing to parade his image in every thing they're willing and even then look how well that helped Lightning and Noctis pass Cloud, which is not at all. Word of mouth and staying power of a game determines how iconic a character can be and Clive will be forgotten.
FF16's combat was smooth, fast and fun. The problem with the the game was its whole design. Fights were so braindead easy you could button mashing without even looking at the screen and win. Sidequests were some of the shittiest, most mundane busywork trash ever seen. Main story quality drops the more you play. Level design was Uncharted-tier garbage. And not to mention the insane amount of cut-scenes ala MGS4. When you think about it is like they didn't want to actually make a game but a movie or maybe a mini series but definitely not a game.
>story gets worse
How? It goes from GOT trash to an actual fucking jrpg story, the only part i’d consider straight trash is the transition from revenge tale to mother crystal shit
too bad that they didn't walk back on their initial tone philosophy with the second timeskip
no reason not to add minigames/cardgame in the new hideaway
I agree. FF16's combat is fucking shallow as fuck. FF7R isn't very deep either, but it's still more involved than 16. I don't know why they made a full fledged action game with combat that simple.
The issue isn't gameplay or anything like that but more on franchise/character recognition. It doesn't attract MMO players or nostalgia players. It attracted a particular audience and for some casual gamers became marred by identity politics.
>watched my ex play about thirty minutes or so of it >regular fights are stupidly easy to the point where you could probably not even look at the screen and win >she gets to a boss battle after Jill has some heroic speech to a cult guy >whole fight is just pretty flashes on screen while mindlessly dodging, attacking and hitting QTEs >watching in disbelief at what the fuck is happening on my tv and how a studio thought this level of combat design was good
I broke up with her a few weeks later and threw the copy of it in the trash.
FF7R's numbers weren't that big. I'd go as far as calling them middling when you consider for how long people were begging for the remake
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FF7 Remake sold 3.5 million copies first week on ~100 million PS4s
FF16 sold 3 million copies first week on ~40 million PS5s
And FF15 sold 4 million on ~45 million PS4s in three days.
Just goes to show "muh installbase" doesn't mean much past certain point. It doesn't scale linearly and every series has a ceiling
This, 7R should have been pushing cod numbers for the legacy it had but instead it just did decently. Fucking Vergil is more iconic amongst zoomers then Sephiroth
>big numbers FF7 remake did
it was below expectations for SE actually, sold well initially but died down faster than what they wanted. Also got a big pandemic boost
what didn't sell below expectations for SE these days? they always have the most irrealistic expectations, they will never get ff7/10 numbers again just like how fromsoft shouldn't expect elden ring numbers for their next big projects
it's up to them to manage their budget for their games so they don't have to sell 10 mil copies just to turn a profit
7 million for a part 1 of what was the most anticipated remake ever isn't good, especially when you consider it had a boost from covid lockdowns. Rebirth and the third game will have a big drop off especially since they can't trick people into thinking it's a proper remake this time
>the big numbers FF7 remake
7R barely reached 5m total after two full years
If it gets diminishing returns like the XIII trilogy, we might not even get a third game at all. To say nothing of the burnout that's already setting in with Square trying to force another Compilation on people who just want to play a game, not spend $300 on a garbage dump of multi-media trash like gacha games.
No shit, he got the boot like right after they announced how garbage the sales numbers were
I think it has more to do with how the vast majority of PS4 owners (and the people most likely to play a Final Fantasy game) moved on to PC as the platform of choice. Even before Covid cockblocked people from buying a PS5, you already had a lot of people making their first builds and loading up their Steam accounts with games they might've bought on PS4 but want to take advantage of the higher performance PCs had in comparison. Now the only people who are sticking with PS5 are literal children who don't know better or retarded naggers who bought a PS5 due to its status as a luxury good.
at first I thought Ganker schizos were pushing this meme about Ryan getting fired for lols, but now I'm starting to come around. The A-B deal going through, Bungie missing revenue by 45%, FF16 disappointing, Factions being a mess, other GAAS games looking like shit, still trying to make Horizon a thing (and failing), even their biggest successes are costing $250 million, Hulst sucks at his job, etc.
He killed Playstation Japan Studios. Effectively ending the soul of Sony and replacing it with Western California made BASEDny games. No shit, good riddance to Jim Ryan. He's the Great Satan and Phil Spencer is the Greater Satan of gaming.
Microsoft's Bethesda acquisition was the natural outcome of Jim Ryan's paid exclusivity strategy.
If Sony did nothing different from pre-Jim Ryan era (late 2018), they would still win by default against Microsoft.
GaaS strategy failed when they shouldn't even bother with it in the first place. Sony was associated with single player games and they already got free microtransaction money from multiplats.
>Jim Ryan's paid exclusivity strategy. >On February 11, 2019, Ryan was named president and CEO of SIE, effective on April 1 of that year.
paid exclusivity strategy happened before Jim Ryan.
Nah, he got fired because he bet everything on liveservice games. Only for the liveservice trend to die now that the market is saturated and everyone has decided what to play.
Playstation had multiple studios work on big budget liveservice titles. Those got all cancelled. And now Sony has nothing the pipeline after Spiderman 2 and is desperately trying to secure some exclusivity deals in order to bridge the gap.
I still think that trying to develop a multiplayer franchise is the right way to go, because they cannot rely on third party deals with companies when you have MS lurking around trying to buy everyone.
But it seems like they went about it in the totally wrong way by just spending billions buying studios on Fortnite-tier revenue projections. Should have started small, resurrected old franchises, see what hit, etc.
I still think that trying to develop a multiplayer franchise is the right way to go, because they cannot rely on third party deals with companies when you have MS lurking around trying to buy everyone.
But it seems like they went about it in the totally wrong way by just spending billions buying studios on Fortnite-tier revenue projections. Should have started small, resurrected old franchises, see what hit, etc.
Wasn't live service games that got him fired. He was spending budgets of more than $200 million dollars on Sony's AAA single player games and most of those games were struggling to get over the 10 million mark where they would be viable. TLOU 2's budget was $220 million dollars before marketing. In comparison Red Dead Redemption 2 cost $170 million and had a live service element so Take Two could easily make their money back on that investment even if RDR Online 2 was a bust compared to RDR 1 and GTA Online. Sony's model was not a viable business model.
The reason Sony has pivoted to live service games was because those big single player games were not making their money back and Ryan even admitted under court deposition they don't make money on exclusives. They only make it on big third parties like CoD/GTA/FIFA. And nearly every studio in Sony is now on a GAAS project to hope one sticks including Insomniac and Santa Monica. They bought Bungie because they wanted a proven live service IP and a studio with GAAS experience to help shepherd their projects. And even now that is crumbling down because Bungie has said some of their projects like TLOU Online aren't viable. So that's why he's being politely asked to leave by the board. He's spending too much money, not seeing returns (Sony's operating margin for the segment has cratered for one, Though the bad bet on PSVR is partly to blame there) and now their biggest direct competitor owns the highest revenue driving IP on Playstation. Sony needs new leadership badly.
So don't be surprised if they give Herman Hulst the job and they greenlight even more Horizon projects on top of the six they have in development
If this is true, then the last guy to run the studios, Shawn Layden, said that this would happen as these games are getting too expensive to make but they just kept plowing on.
Hermann Hulst has been a disaster. You need a person with vision in that spot but his is "funnel more money to his old studio." When the news about the TLOU remake mess came out, including the way it alienated Bend, he should have been fired then and there. I would probably blame him more than Ryan but he keeps failing upward.
>If this is true, then the last guy to run the studios, Shawn Layden, said that this would happen as these games are getting too expensive to make but they just kept plowing on.
Shawn wanted to invest in smaller AA games that would be more profitable and had even set up PixelOpus within Sony to do smaller projects. Unsurprisingly soon after Shawn left, Jim gutted the studio and shut them down because they weren't doing AAA SP or AAA GAAS projects. Jim Ryan was really hellbent on Sony being "AAA or nothing". Sony's just been in a perpetual state of bad management making the same derivative AAA game with a horde of fanboys ready to screech at you if you point it out.
Jim leaving means the new CEO is stuck with all those GAAS projects and has to release them to make a return on them. Or cancel them to pivot back to single-player and hope the PS5 can survive off COD/FIFA/GTA (On top of having to re-scope single-player AAA games to not cost over $200 million dollars) as it will take 5-6 years for studios to get back on track. I don't envy that choice but then Sony has been warned for years about it and didn't listen.
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Sony is in a tough spot for sure. Xbox as a whole is now massive in gaming thanks to activision blizzard and no longer has to worry about revenue since mobile games alone help keep the whole division in the clear and with their game development finally reaching their goal of two AAA a year with it ramping up fast.
Nintendo meanwhile has cemented a massive money printing machine with the switch and the upcoming switch 2. Sony is in deep trouble here.
>said that this would happen as these games are getting too expensive to make but they just kept plowing on >are getting
People keep saying this. But it really is just cope.
Games haven't gotten more expensive to make. They've just chosen to make more and more expensive games.
But this idea that games have gotten more expensive to make (which is just flat out false) or the idea that you have to make expensive games (also false) is nothing but cope. Unironically.
But they keep making these excuses.
Reminds me of that genius CEO that re-structured Sears according to his Ayn Rand headcanon.
Internal departments started cannibalizing each other with board-room metrics as the big picture fell apart and nothing on-paper panned out in the real world.
>bet on Forspoken and FF16 to rebuild PlayStation nation's (tm) prestige >one bombs so hard the studio is dissolved, the other is a no nothing trash that was forgotten in a weak with the weakest sales in FF franchise's history
him leaving could very well be a ramification from those two failures, gaas pivot failure and ps5 having less games than consoles 3rd year into its lifespan
FF16 isn't a failure. It took 3 FFVII remake 3 years to sell 7 million and it'll track close to that based on first week sales. Jim was probably hinted at to step down by the Japanese because of the Activision blunder as he was emailing the CEO saying "I would prefer it didn't happen but it doesn't matter to us that much if it does". Big corps don't work that way, you always have to win.
>FFXVI is still at 3 million almost half a year later.
You don't know what the sales are. They announced 3 million shipped first week and won't update until years later. Most sales are digital which is private
Yeah, you clearly don't know shit about sales. FF7R shipped more than FFXVI in the same time period. FFXVI can't ship more than 3 mjillion copies because there is no demand for this trash. Physical copies fell off hard on Amazon and other marketplaces, digital sales slowed down to a crawl as seen in monthly bestsellers by region published by Sony themselves. FFXVI is an objectively less profitable game than FF7R.
It is a fucking GOODE thing, fuck Jim, he gutted Japan Studio when he thought nobody was looking, that nigga deserves it. I was actually putting together a fund to hire a hitman just to kill him.
We can wait, I'd much rather they ignore the Japanese isles than start actively ruining shit like Jim did. Fuck Hulst too. The Horizon games are dogshit and they're only claim to fame is that Kojima gave them a rusty trombone and improved their shit, which evidently, they didn't put to good use in the sequel. Fucking retards. What the fuck is up with incompetent Western developers squandering gifts from the Japs? WHERE THE FUCK IS MY ENGLISH TRANSLATED BUILD OF MTFRAMEWORK FUCK THE LOST PLANET 3 TEAM
>be Gordon Roomsay >apparently a chef >only puts salt and pepper on food
I would unironically eat Indian street food for 3 months than one meal in his restaurant.
>create FF7R >combat system lots of people liked, a hybrid of real time and turn based atb >tons of customization options and systems like materia. >weapon, armor and accessory system with each of them being distinct
>make FF16 >boring 4 hit combo action system >all weapons are the same with more attack power >accessories are useless stat increases that barely matter >armor system completely gone
FF7R
system lots of people liked, a hybrid of real time and turn based atb >>tons of customization options and systems like materia.
, armor and accessory system with each of them being distinct
I haven't played FF16, and i'm sure is dogshit as well, but your recounting of FF7R is extremely generous, that games is fucking ass in pretty much any department aside from graphics and music.
FF7R's combat system was great, not sure why people keep trying to deny this. To me its flaws lie in that it only shines in hard mode and the forced anime cutscenes that can ruin your attacks. Most games have the decency to just do a normal cutscene and not fuck your attacks over if you don't know exact HP break points.
The pressure/stagger mechanic work well, there are plenty of weaknesses that interact with Pressure/stagger so it stays varied, multiple characters for different playstyles and tactics, hotkeys for non-shitters, menu-based commands for shitters, i-frame dodging, blocking, line of sight interactions, perfect counters. Each character felt unique, and I pray this is something they don't fuck up. Ruin your story all you want, but keep this one saving grace.
Remember how SEGA shat the bed with Hyenas? Sony did that multiple times. Naughty Dog, Santa Monica and Co. all had big multiplayer titles in the works in order to get some of that sweet Tarkov, Fortnite and Valorant money.
But now that the liveservice hype is dying Sony panicked and cancelled all those titles which not only got Jim Ryan to "resign" but also the head of playstation studios. Sony right now is in absolute shambles.
It's squarenix's fault for trying to pander so hard to ADHD buttonmash wiggers 2 games in a fucking row. It's bad enough they not only abandoned turn based shit for so long but choose to spit on this games grave while deploying damage control astroturfing shills who have no life.
Now call me barry, get your mentally ill serotonin release because you have no justification for how bad FF has gotten.
Is there a way I can rent a PS5 for FF7 Rebirth? I don't see myself using it for anything other than that but I don't want to wait forever for the PC port this time.
Square enix quarterly earnings call showed positive growth so the resident ffxv aborigine schizo is running damage control because the company was supposed to be dead by now or something
aborgine just means native. if your an american, born in america, your an american aboriginal. if your trying to refer to like, australian "aboriginals", just say, petrol huffer or something.
No. They are just jrpg fans/anime weeb. FF7RB will show that FF is only Asian games. 77RB can be only seen at amazon japan top 100. SE should only make 2D jrpg with low cost of production and focus Japanese market, probably put all their up-coming games on switch/phone.
No, he was fired because he was unable to stop Microsoft's purchase of Activision/Blizzard, it is not coincidental that he announced his """retirement""" a few weeks before the official announcement, by that time there were already rumors that the CMA was ready to give the go-ahead for the purchase.
To be fair there are a lot of people being fired
EGS cant compensate the brand damage and (sorry if /misc/) the anti white politics have made a lot of gamers poorer and mant potential costumers wont be born
At this point its more like anti everyone than anti white specifically
Imagine have the freedom of working with Spiderman and being able to do pretty much anything with the character and the universe without fear due to the brand selling itself and your first line of thought is >YAS QUEEN SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! IM MAKING MARY JANE THE MC AND GIVING HER THE DOUBLE OF PLAY TIME, I DON'T GIVE F*CK ABOUT YOU CHUDS! >btw her sections are literally every stealth section from every western game that has it from the last 10 or so years
It's like they exclusively hire only the most fucking unimaginative and constantly seething about boogiemans people they could possibly find to work in those AAA companies
good and whoever was responsible for pushing final fantasy into becoming garbage action rpgs instead of remaining kino turn based games should be fire as well. ff16 was so bad I just stopped playing, never even finished it.
Barry isn't even in the thread (easily recognizable by very specific ESL grammar patterns) yet buckbroken Twitter rapefugees who simp for their cult leader Yoshi-P continue to scream into the void. This is low key the best part of these threads.
Squeenix is too fickle to try and bolster some kind of relationship with.
I can imagine Jim on hands and knees sucking off every squeenix exec in a big suck and fuck orgy, during which the execs are talking about making the definitive version of DQ11 the swirch version, as Jims huffing and puffing his fave covered in asiatic cum
I dont think he got fired. He's too upbeat and cordial in the employee meetings. He might have a golden parachute or something though but he's definitely taking it well. I think he's not lying about the jetlag taking its toll. He's also pretty old.
Im pretty sure it was all the money on bribes he wasted trying to stop the Activision deal, which was as stupid as trying to empty the sea with a spoon
You would not believe just how many hours, days, weeks, months I have spent dedicated to defending/hyping this game up every chance I can get on Ganker.
If you heard how much time I've spent keeping the reception of this game positive here you would think I was joking, seriously.
And the funny part is I don't even think it's a 10/10 masterpiece or anything. I know it was a little disappointing. But again, the reasons I do what I do are so unbelievably sad to say out loud you would think I was making them up.
The bottom line is I refuse to let the doomers and haters win, even if there are only one or two of them. And if I have to sacrifice almost every minute of free time I have to do it, then that's fine by me.
It says it right in their financial report. Physical sales in the west is less than 20%. Asia is the smallest market and domestic the only market still doing okay with physical.
What was the point of only releasing the game on PS5 when it barely runs at 60 FPS throughout the entire experience? Why wasn't there a PS4 version if they wanted it to sell more? Why the fuck would Square Enix greenlight a PS5 only version of a mainline Final Fantasy?
It made sense with 15 and the PS4 due to the install size, it doesn't make sense for 16.
It was going to be on PS4 but got delayed due to war. SE weren't thrilled about the console change but put up with it so it must have been Sony's request.
with all the live service shit failing and the FF games flopping are they gonna stop being as risk averse as they can? maybe make some turn-based JRPGs instead of action games?
>maybe make some turn-based JRPGs instead of action games?
Just make some old school vibe FF like they did with IX.
I had more fun with Persona 5 or Atelier Ryza than any FF of the last 15 years.
As someone who played FF16, I had a fuck ton of fun. You tell me that Bahamut and Titan Lost werent visual stunning masterpieces. I've been gaming for a long time, but Titan made me shit fucking bricks with how intense it was. Its not a perfect game, but I'll be damned if its anything less than an 8. Last I checked, 8 was 80 percent meaning good. That it also got DLC means that it was a success, barely, but it was. It was a fun game, and the combat system was pretty smooth
it's a 7, the high highs can't cover for all the lows(no rpg mechanics, no good exploration, useless gear system, no party, shitty fetchquests, no cities and such)
>Also btw FFXV sold more in less time than either FF7 or FF10 did, it's sales pace is 2x FF7 and 3x FF10
Is it true or am I getting bamboozled by XV-kun?
Holy shit this is grim. Nearly 5 months and no sales update for XVI. Square refuses. This game was a massive disaster
Funniest thing is seeing all the yoshi p drones in the comments seething and blaming a man that is just reporting on facts. Are yoshi p drones the worst fanbase alive?
Is Sony CEO, after Kaz quit they fired all the game guys at Sony and put the money poeple in charge.
After years of pushing F2P and GASS development the games in production end up being shit, the acquisition of Bungie one of the worst decision and waist of money made by the company and end up having a games showcase after 3 years of drought with ZERO games, Hey enjoy Spider Man 2 and.... Cat Quest III.
Fuck Jimbo, retired my ass, he got boot and the CEO of Sony should follow up, but hey, the PS5 is still selling like hot pocket without games so....
He's talking about games that are (or possibly were) still in development, like Fairgames, Concord, Marathon, and 9 other Games as a Service that Sony said they were making
I'd always thought it was weird that their exclusivity deals went from 12 months (officially) for FF7r, to 6 months with FF16 and now down to 3 months with FF7 rebirth. Either Sony are thinking the expense isn't worth it for FF exclusivity anymore or sqenix aren't seeing enough of a return on their exclusivity deal and want it on more platforms quickly. Either way it seems Sony is losing hold of FF again.
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Square Enix Q2 results
-Net sales up thanks to FF16 and Pixel Remaster
-But operating income down due to higher development and advertising costs
-MMO segment down
-Ever Crisis & new titles unable to offset weak performances from existing mobile titles
-Merchandise up
>had lackluster opening sales >steep drop off from those >speculated it might not have even cleared its initial shipment >square enix declined to update its sales for ff16 for the entire quarter
It's not a particularly good look, even when you take their bullshit entirely at face value
There are already spreads on if Rebirth will beat XVI sales tbh. Take one of the bets if you're confident, I'll enjoy making more money off this board LOL
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Spider-Man 2 barely scraped by in comparison to 1. And it's a full sequel with a separate story.
People are delusional if they think a PS5 exclusive will sell well. Making a game PS5 exclusive is incredibly dumb, I imagine Sony must be putting out a lot of money to convince Square to do it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Bet is up, I remember reading similar things pre-XVI launch (this is why I got such great odds.)
Beating xvi isn't much of an accomplishment, especially when it's banking off the brand recognition of vii
Fair enough
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
anon, XVI did 3 million.
spider-man 2 is at 2.5 million at the moment, but it just came out
i don't even know what you're talking about "bets"
3 weeks ago
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Sometimes I forget how delusional some diehard FF fans can be
3 weeks ago
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Beating xvi isn't much of an accomplishment, especially when it's banking off the brand recognition of vii
>I should fucking hope net sales increase.
No one was buying another FF game after how XV released.
XV was their chance to bounce back from the Lightning trilogy absolutely no one asked for. Instead, they released something even worse that would've been received poorly even it didn't have 10 years of hype and expectations behind it.
XVI doing 3m sales is a fucking miracle, they deserved 0. The only thing Square deserves is to get fucking shuttered.
I think it's more likely the fact that he reoriented every single first party studio to make live service slop, when none of them knew how, and none of them wanted to, was told that all these games were unsalvageable, paid 4x what they were worth to buy bungie just to serve as a fucking consultant firm, only for them to also say "yeah, shit's fucked, you're probably better off canceling all of these", and they were too busy running this consulting, causing their one game they've put out to decline dramatically. If we thought the first half of the ps5's life was brutal, the second half is gonna be even worse thanks to him.
I think he probably got fired because he told everyone that if Microsoft merged with Activision, the whole Sony corporation would cease to exist. Then Microsoft merged with Activision.
So XVI did well but it couldn't save Square from the repercussions caused by other games that actually flopped (ahem ahem Forspoken ahem ahem Marvel Avengers)
Doesn't seem like XVI's fault.
>Are you fucking stupid?
Are you? Can you read?
It says XVI sold well, but it couldn't mitigate the losses by their other shit. Shit that flopped, like Avengers and Flopspoken.
Cope.
3 weeks ago
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>avengers and forspoken >in april-september of 2023
You're a special kind of retard
3 weeks ago
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Forshitten released in 2023 you fucking imbecile
3 weeks ago
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In a different fiscal year
>losses stop being a factor because it's another quarter
That's great. I'll tell all those companies that suffered massive losses a year ago that all their losses magically disappeared after 3 months so they shouldn't be sweating to recoup them.
Right, retard? You numpty? You braindead vanta black primitive neanderthal? You loathsome black hole hued troglodyte with a grasp on reality equal to that of an ant missing four of its legs while being crushed by a beetle?
>make more profit when forspoken launched than when ff16 launched >"clearly, this is because they didn't see any of the losses from forspoken until 8 months after launch"
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Argue with this >-Net sales up thanks to FF16 and Pixel Remaster >Final Fantasy 16 sold well, but not enough to patch Square Enix's profits
Stop bouncing between goalposts you literal triple-lobotomized pitch black bike-yoinking mongrel.
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>net sales up >profits down >"BUT IT TOTALLY MADE TONS OF MONEY THOUGH!!! IT'S ACTUALLY LOSSES THAT WERE INCURRED IN SEPARATE FISCAL YEARS TRYING TO SABOTAGE FF16!!! BASED SQUARE ENIX IS MY FRIEND AND THE CLOSEST THING I HAVE TO A FATHER FIGURE, THEY WOULN'T STRETCH THE TRUTH!!!"
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>losses stop being a factor because it's another quarter
That's great. I'll tell all those companies that suffered massive losses a year ago that all their losses magically disappeared after 3 months so they shouldn't be sweating to recoup them.
Right, retard? You numpty? You braindead vanta black primitive neanderthal? You loathsome black hole hued troglodyte with a grasp on reality equal to that of an ant missing four of its legs while being crushed by a beetle?
That literally does not matter, retard. >-Net sales up thanks to FF16 and Pixel Remaster
And
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
>Final Fantasy 16 sold well, but not enough to patch Square Enix's profits
Basically read your own shit before you scree about it, limp-dicked doomsissy.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>net sales up
So it sold more than forspoken >profits down
But managed to lose more money than forspoken
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Final Fantasy 16 sold well >but not enough to patch Square Enix's profits
Get into basic reading comprehension. Until you do, I don't wanna hear any of your chimping.
3 weeks ago
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>THIS CORPORATION WOULD NEVER SPIN THINGS TO DOWNPLAY A BAD SITUATION TO APPEASE SHAREHOLDERS, CAN'T YOU READ?! THEY LITERALLY TOLD SHAREHOLDERS EVERYTHING IS FINE!"
Get into basic critical thinking. Until you do, I don't wanna hear any of your chimping.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>b-bros even though they were painfully honest about flopspoken failing hard, they're totally downplaying ffxvi's floppage... b-because I say so it's all a conspiracy. it's all yoshitpiss fault!!!!!!!! THEY MADE THEM LIE!
You're a schizo nagger. Go plague some other forum with your mongoloid ideations.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
If you think what they told about forspoken wasn't them downplaying it still, I have a bridge to sell you.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ah, so now we're just making up straight up fanfiction to try and hold on to an argument.
I accept your consneedsion. You lost.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You have no idea how business works
Profits are recorded annually, as a function of revenue minus expenses. A game like FFXVI is in development for several years. Those expenses are recordered all at once, they occur over those years. The profits, on the other hand, are generated this year. So whatever their expenses for the year are are subtracted from the revenenue that 16 generated.. not to mention any OTHER games. SE is a massive company, they have more than one game releasing in any year. So what it means is, despite FFXVI's success, their profits are still down because other games they were anticipating on selling this year, like Forspoken, didn't sell well and haven't offset expenses (expenses that are actually for titles CURRENTLY in development)
I'm glad I could spell this all out for a moron like you, I hope you understood like 5% of it
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Anonymous
>"You have no idea how business works" >has no idea that there's a difference between calendar years and fiscal years
Top fucking kek
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Don't bother with this clown. Even if he had the basic capacity to understand something evident, he's still actually unwilling to.
You can lead a retard to the obvious conclusion, you can't make him accept it, and this retard just wants to rage and spin fanfiction.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's just a butthurt tendie, they're underdeveloped and play literal baby "games"
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah, tendies have had it out for ff16 ever since the ps5 started outselling the shitch
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wouldn't surprise me t b h.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
They can't handle that the ps5 is dominating and the shitch is dead in the water, so they pretend FF16 flopped, because they'd probably kill themselves if they faced the reality that ps5 is on its way to becoming the most successful console of all time, and shitch is not. 160 million floor for ps5 according to experts.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Final Fantasy 16 sold well, but not enough to patch Square Enix's profits
This is stakeholder speak for "yeah it flopped b-b-b-but please keep investing in us!"
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah bro Square does that all the time, lying about things that underperformed. Not like they shit on stuff that even does perform well. No, they're just constantly lying that something that didn't perform adequately is actually doing well.
And then you woke up from your doomsissying-induced fanfiction.
>net sales up >profits down >"BUT IT TOTALLY MADE TONS OF MONEY THOUGH!!! IT'S ACTUALLY LOSSES THAT WERE INCURRED IN SEPARATE FISCAL YEARS TRYING TO SABOTAGE FF16!!! BASED SQUARE ENIX IS MY FRIEND AND THE CLOSEST THING I HAVE TO A FATHER FIGURE, THEY WOULN'T STRETCH THE TRUTH!!!"
>net sales up >but not enough to patch Square Enix's profits
You know what this implies, right? Surely, you have the two braincells to rub together to divine what the meaning behind that is?
It means that Square was suffering losses, and that XVI, despite selling well enough, didn't sell well enough to recoup previously incurred losses.
You literal retard. Please do the world favor, spend less time shitposting angrily on imageboards and go to school to get a basic grasp on sentence structure and implicit statements.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
See [...]
retarrd
>didn't sell well enough to make money >success
KEK
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
That doesn't say "didn't sell well enough to make money" you illiterate retard.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Tendies are fucking desperate to try and make any anti-ps5 FUD stick
Best-selling PS5 games
1.) Elden Ring - 3.64 million
2.) Final Fantasy XVI - 3 million
3.) Marvel's Spider-Man 2 - 2.5 million (still close to release, may go higher)
4.) Demon's Souls - 1.4 million
5.) Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart - 1.1 million
Trying to put exclusives on PS5 or XB:S/X is just dumb at the moment.
outdated and debunked
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>outdated and debunked
Post your sources, then, if you can.
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Square Enix Q2 results
-Net sales up thanks to FF16 and Pixel Remaster
-But operating income down due to higher development and advertising costs
-MMO segment down
-Ever Crisis & new titles unable to offset weak performances from existing mobile titles
-Merchandise up
The fag made a fool of himself and 'lost' the lawsuit against Microsoft/activision, shortly afterward he announces his retirement. Well, it was closer to that day when those hackers hacked Sony and to this day it is not known how serious that was.
Yeah bro Square does that all the time, lying about things that underperformed. Not like they shit on stuff that even does perform well. No, they're just constantly lying that something that didn't perform adequately is actually doing well.
And then you woke up from your doomsissying-induced fanfiction.
[...] >net sales up >but not enough to patch Square Enix's profits
You know what this implies, right? Surely, you have the two braincells to rub together to divine what the meaning behind that is?
It means that Square was suffering losses, and that XVI, despite selling well enough, didn't sell well enough to recoup previously incurred losses.
You literal retard. Please do the world favor, spend less time shitposting angrily on imageboards and go to school to get a basic grasp on sentence structure and implicit statements.
Best-selling PS5 games
1.) Elden Ring - 3.64 million
2.) Final Fantasy XVI - 3 million
3.) Marvel's Spider-Man 2 - 2.5 million (still close to release, may go higher)
4.) Demon's Souls - 1.4 million
5.) Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart - 1.1 million
Trying to put exclusives on PS5 or XB:S/X is just dumb at the moment.
He's mad because you are right and he can't stand it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
BOOM HEADSHOT
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
What is up with the "defeated Barry" shit then? That some namefag in a lot of Sony threads or something?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Barry is someone who made it his autistic crusade to cry about XVI day in day out, mostly based on cherrypicked stats and lists to show that "it flopped"
So you showing a concrete list of how it fared compared to its competitors that he can't refute is upsetting him.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh. Ganker autists obsessing over shit stuff.
Thanks for the lore anon
It's SO derivative of Game of Thrones. Yes. Game of Thrones was popular. People loved it for the characters and the world building. But you cannot tail that line forever.
It's a Mario game. It's on the Switch, which was recently reported to now have 130 million+ consoles out.
Of course it's going to sell well.
It would take it being called Metroid to sell like crap. Mario games do well.
>We used to be able to say this of Final Fantasy too
not really, FF7 was an anomaly and was the first FF that sold incredibly well. most of the titles after it were banking on the success of it and people that were fans of 7 hoping the series remains as good, to mixed results.
There's a few shitposters, but it's largely some autistic Australian immigrant that's been obsessed with the director and has been posting about said director for 10 years on Ganker
They also run into issues on /a/, and was caught liking tranny porn in a /wowg/ a year ago
It's Ganker. It has a number of obsessive autists hyperfocused on weird shit, I dont' know all their names.
naoki yoshida ended a man's career
>Forspoken killed a studio
>FF16 ended a CEO
just fucking nailing it, Square
Killed a shit studio and fired a moron? Maybe they are doing it on purpose to slowly get Sony back to Japan
who and who?
Probably yeah. Everyone was on board because they saw the big numbers FF7 remake did, but didn't think to ask if people would buy the mediocre combat system attached to anything but some of the most recognizable characters in all of vidya
spoiler:they didn't
Clive is arguably more iconic than Cloud.
If you asked a stranger on the street to recognize cuckive, they wouldn't be able to.
>thinking normie would recognize cuckloud
FF is not that popular.
>Cloud is a playable character in the most popular party game in the world on top if already being iconic part of vidya history
>Cuckive is some literally who homosexual from a shitty exclusive on a dead console that stopped being discussed months ago
Shouldn't have started this argument, tranny. Now take another massive L.
fwiw boys, my mom doesnt know who clive is and she doesnt know who cloud is, these fags arent Mario, pacman, sonic, or megaman.
Man you yoshi p cultists are something else
who the fuck is clive?
clive rosenstein, the protagonist of FF16
It just dawned on me that I didn't know the name of the ff16 protagonist until right now
In your tranny Discord? Yeah, no doubt.
behold
nega barry
not even more iconic than jack
Dissidia Reboot starring Jack dimension hopping to beat down and then recruit every protagonist/villain
Don’t tease me anon. I would be so hype.
Put Jack in Tekken 8.
God I wish Dissidia hadn't been ruined by Square Enix chasing the arcade market.
This is the chaos fucker? Yeah, I know him better than Clive, never played an FF game.
>Clive is arguably more iconic than Cloud.
sure
Cope Barry, FFXVI is a masterpiece that will sell +10M units once it gets released on PC and people will actually give it a chance instead of crying over a game they haven't played.
Can't wait to mod her being raped.
It's hilarious how i can arrive at any thread, laugh at any retard and will still be called by some random name that schizos are obsessed about.
Welcome to the asylum
This is a dumbass false-flagger, nevermind him.
>he doesn't know
That is Jill-fag anon. Peruse the archives to see the insanity of this self-proclaimed "girl"
never heard of her, she must be pretty boring tbh
Reminder this poster is an autistic 30-something loser obsessed with convincing people over a vietnamese basket-weaving forum Yoshida's game isn't dogshit.
We call him Larry.
It's not arguable. Clive is more recognizable than Mario at this point. Half of the kids I saw trick or treating this year were dressed as Clive. "Clivemania" is in full swing and Square is scrambling trying to figure out what to do with the surprise popularity of their new mascot.
Jeb Bush would vote for Clive Rosfield. Now what about you son?
I have not played a Final Fantasy game besides Tactics
Who is Clive?
main character from ff16
the one that came out this year
Cloud was the first openly gay and transgender video game character. Clive will never top that.
why does nobody online know what iconic means anymore
>Millennials' first FF protag vs literal who
lmao
FFXIV and XVI are a worldwide phenomenon. Even bigger than Minecraft, WoW or Pokemon.
>not a FF fan, never played one of the games
>hop into this thread because I'm curious anyway
>see this
>lol
I don't even onow who Clive is or what game he's from.
clive is that the dog?
Yeah Clive Barker it was a nod to hellraiser which yoshida is a huge fan of
It's Clive Redfield. The guy from Resident Evil.
he may have an arguably bigger cock than Cloud but that's about it
Even the name Clive is lamer than Cloud ffs
>all that seethe
Is this WoWtroons? Steamies? XJeets? Probably all of them.
What the kind of mental disability causes a man to come up with a statement like that.
Put me in the FUCKING screencap!
I disagree, but Clive is certainly amongst the strongest FF protagonists. He could fold Cloud like a pretzel
>He could fold Cloud like a pretzel
sure a pretzel shaped star of david
i've never played a final fantasy game and never will
but i know who cloud is because of his pointy yellow anime hair and massive fuckoff sword
but who in the ACTUAL fuck is Clive?
Is he the guy in red with the guns????? The only FF games I played were 7,9,Tactics (GBA) and man with guns one. Finished none of these btw
Look, I'm no FF16 hater and I think Barry is a petrol sniffing noonga, but... Bro.
I like his design but I doubt he even beats out Noctis or Lightning, let alone fucking Cloud
lightning is popular because of cum. she took off not because her games are good but because other than the vile trickery the games force you to endure, her visuals are the only memorable thing. and there's no way noctis is popular - if he is, it's because of female cum (not that i want to repeat myself). no one except barry liked his game because it's impossible to like
why is everyone falling for this obvious bait
Ganker is made up of retarded children. What's new?
I think this was a falseflag
No yoshitpee cultist would say something so retarded
Are we doing homosexual hot takes now?
i don't even like ff and you're insane
I like Clive but c'mon man
who the fuck is clive
>had to pause for a second to even remember if Clive was his actual name
He's sexier.
Clive is certainly a better main character.
Cloud was self-insert bait for the most pathetic otaku for two decades. Some manchildren just can’t grow up. These people can’t self-insert as Clive because he makes them feel inadequate.
Cloud is certainly a better main character.
Clive was self-insert bait for the most pathetic amerimutt losers for over three months (already forgotten). Some manchildren just can’t grow up. These people can’t self-insert as Cloud because he makes them feel inadequate.
You are a homosexual. You don't become iconic over night much less than under a year. Clive matters as much as Square is willing to parade his image in every thing they're willing and even then look how well that helped Lightning and Noctis pass Cloud, which is not at all. Word of mouth and staying power of a game determines how iconic a character can be and Clive will be forgotten.
Now that's some good bait. It has to be, otherwise goddamn anon.
Damn that's a lot of fish you baited
I have literally never heard of this character until this post
we did it reddit!
He's an infinitely better character, but no he's not.
FF16 with 7R's combat system would be a monumental improvement
FF16's combat was smooth, fast and fun. The problem with the the game was its whole design. Fights were so braindead easy you could button mashing without even looking at the screen and win. Sidequests were some of the shittiest, most mundane busywork trash ever seen. Main story quality drops the more you play. Level design was Uncharted-tier garbage. And not to mention the insane amount of cut-scenes ala MGS4. When you think about it is like they didn't want to actually make a game but a movie or maybe a mini series but definitely not a game.
>Level design was Uncharted-tier garbage
that's every FF since 7, the only exception is 12
>story gets worse
How? It goes from GOT trash to an actual fucking jrpg story, the only part i’d consider straight trash is the transition from revenge tale to mother crystal shit
too bad that they didn't walk back on their initial tone philosophy with the second timeskip
no reason not to add minigames/cardgame in the new hideaway
uncharted has better level (or should I say, arena design) than any FF released after 9
> Fights were so braindead easy you could button mashing without even looking at the screen and win.
So the classic FF experience.
7 combat is worse than 16. Square in general doesn't know how to make good action gameplay, closest they got was KH2 and that was almost 20 years ago.
no, both suffer from stagger retardation. 16's boss fights are better as well, 16's biggest issues are stagger (in 7R) and no hard mode until NG+
But still fucking boring.
well atleast in FF7R you can control your party members, thats the last thing they should get rid of in an FF game
I agree. FF16's combat is fucking shallow as fuck. FF7R isn't very deep either, but it's still more involved than 16. I don't know why they made a full fledged action game with combat that simple.
Better than anythign on shitch, tendie
>Claim one Playstation game is better than another Playstation game
>Get called a Nintendo fanboy
FF7R sold well enough on PS4, because at that point PS4 had 90 million owners.
5-6M is pretty low for the most demanded remake out there.
>5-6M is pretty low
Don't look at Capcom's best selling games, otherwise you'll think they're some obscure niche indie company.
Or Sega.
Games don't sell as good as COD, FIFA or asscreed on regular basis.
Nigga World and IB did 5x the sales of one of the biggest an iconic franchises in the gaming industry.
>world
they literally gave the game away for free
but it's not an FF7 remake
The issue isn't gameplay or anything like that but more on franchise/character recognition. It doesn't attract MMO players or nostalgia players. It attracted a particular audience and for some casual gamers became marred by identity politics.
The no blacks is the only thing that halfway saved the games sales
>watched my ex play about thirty minutes or so of it
>regular fights are stupidly easy to the point where you could probably not even look at the screen and win
>she gets to a boss battle after Jill has some heroic speech to a cult guy
>whole fight is just pretty flashes on screen while mindlessly dodging, attacking and hitting QTEs
>watching in disbelief at what the fuck is happening on my tv and how a studio thought this level of combat design was good
I broke up with her a few weeks later and threw the copy of it in the trash.
Tendies like you will never be in a relationship, except with minors
>thinks that never happened
FF7 Remake sold 3.5 million copies first week on ~100 million PS4s
FF16 sold 3 million copies first week on ~40 million PS5s
Man, YoshiP is based.
FF7R's numbers weren't that big. I'd go as far as calling them middling when you consider for how long people were begging for the remake
And FF15 sold 4 million on ~45 million PS4s in three days.
Just goes to show "muh installbase" doesn't mean much past certain point. It doesn't scale linearly and every series has a ceiling
>big numbers
>ff7r
The game got overshadowed by sephiroth in smash
This, 7R should have been pushing cod numbers for the legacy it had but instead it just did decently. Fucking Vergil is more iconic amongst zoomers then Sephiroth
>big numbers FF7 remake did
it was below expectations for SE actually, sold well initially but died down faster than what they wanted. Also got a big pandemic boost
what didn't sell below expectations for SE these days? they always have the most irrealistic expectations, they will never get ff7/10 numbers again just like how fromsoft shouldn't expect elden ring numbers for their next big projects
it's up to them to manage their budget for their games so they don't have to sell 10 mil copies just to turn a profit
7 million for a part 1 of what was the most anticipated remake ever isn't good, especially when you consider it had a boost from covid lockdowns. Rebirth and the third game will have a big drop off especially since they can't trick people into thinking it's a proper remake this time
>the big numbers FF7 remake
7R barely reached 5m total after two full years
If it gets diminishing returns like the XIII trilogy, we might not even get a third game at all. To say nothing of the burnout that's already setting in with Square trying to force another Compilation on people who just want to play a game, not spend $300 on a garbage dump of multi-media trash like gacha games.
No shit, he got the boot like right after they announced how garbage the sales numbers were
I think it has more to do with how the vast majority of PS4 owners (and the people most likely to play a Final Fantasy game) moved on to PC as the platform of choice. Even before Covid cockblocked people from buying a PS5, you already had a lot of people making their first builds and loading up their Steam accounts with games they might've bought on PS4 but want to take advantage of the higher performance PCs had in comparison. Now the only people who are sticking with PS5 are literal children who don't know better or retarded naggers who bought a PS5 due to its status as a luxury good.
so is the retarded hype killing timed exclusives dead now.
at first I thought Ganker schizos were pushing this meme about Ryan getting fired for lols, but now I'm starting to come around. The A-B deal going through, Bungie missing revenue by 45%, FF16 disappointing, Factions being a mess, other GAAS games looking like shit, still trying to make Horizon a thing (and failing), even their biggest successes are costing $250 million, Hulst sucks at his job, etc.
I wonder if they are rethinking their edgy western Dragon Quest game now
Him embarrassing himself in court with the fight against Microsofts acquirement of Activision is what got him fired.
Can you elaborate? It is because the leaked files that shown financial flops?
He killed Playstation Japan Studios. Effectively ending the soul of Sony and replacing it with Western California made BASEDny games. No shit, good riddance to Jim Ryan. He's the Great Satan and Phil Spencer is the Greater Satan of gaming.
Microsoft's Bethesda acquisition was the natural outcome of Jim Ryan's paid exclusivity strategy.
If Sony did nothing different from pre-Jim Ryan era (late 2018), they would still win by default against Microsoft.
GaaS strategy failed when they shouldn't even bother with it in the first place. Sony was associated with single player games and they already got free microtransaction money from multiplats.
>Jim Ryan's paid exclusivity strategy.
>On February 11, 2019, Ryan was named president and CEO of SIE, effective on April 1 of that year.
paid exclusivity strategy happened before Jim Ryan.
That only applied to FF7R and Nioh, which they published worldwide.
Ever since FF7R release they doubled down on it.
They were doing it for years dude. Monster Hunter World got exclusivity in Japan and Asia from this as well as the timed exclusivity with CoD.
What about bloodborne, is that not paid exclusivity?
> Ryan was officially made CEO on April 1st.
Literal clown.
Nah, he got fired because he bet everything on liveservice games. Only for the liveservice trend to die now that the market is saturated and everyone has decided what to play.
Playstation had multiple studios work on big budget liveservice titles. Those got all cancelled. And now Sony has nothing the pipeline after Spiderman 2 and is desperately trying to secure some exclusivity deals in order to bridge the gap.
I still think that trying to develop a multiplayer franchise is the right way to go, because they cannot rely on third party deals with companies when you have MS lurking around trying to buy everyone.
But it seems like they went about it in the totally wrong way by just spending billions buying studios on Fortnite-tier revenue projections. Should have started small, resurrected old franchises, see what hit, etc.
Wasn't live service games that got him fired. He was spending budgets of more than $200 million dollars on Sony's AAA single player games and most of those games were struggling to get over the 10 million mark where they would be viable. TLOU 2's budget was $220 million dollars before marketing. In comparison Red Dead Redemption 2 cost $170 million and had a live service element so Take Two could easily make their money back on that investment even if RDR Online 2 was a bust compared to RDR 1 and GTA Online. Sony's model was not a viable business model.
The reason Sony has pivoted to live service games was because those big single player games were not making their money back and Ryan even admitted under court deposition they don't make money on exclusives. They only make it on big third parties like CoD/GTA/FIFA. And nearly every studio in Sony is now on a GAAS project to hope one sticks including Insomniac and Santa Monica. They bought Bungie because they wanted a proven live service IP and a studio with GAAS experience to help shepherd their projects. And even now that is crumbling down because Bungie has said some of their projects like TLOU Online aren't viable. So that's why he's being politely asked to leave by the board. He's spending too much money, not seeing returns (Sony's operating margin for the segment has cratered for one, Though the bad bet on PSVR is partly to blame there) and now their biggest direct competitor owns the highest revenue driving IP on Playstation. Sony needs new leadership badly.
So don't be surprised if they give Herman Hulst the job and they greenlight even more Horizon projects on top of the six they have in development
If this is true, then the last guy to run the studios, Shawn Layden, said that this would happen as these games are getting too expensive to make but they just kept plowing on.
Hermann Hulst has been a disaster. You need a person with vision in that spot but his is "funnel more money to his old studio." When the news about the TLOU remake mess came out, including the way it alienated Bend, he should have been fired then and there. I would probably blame him more than Ryan but he keeps failing upward.
>If this is true, then the last guy to run the studios, Shawn Layden, said that this would happen as these games are getting too expensive to make but they just kept plowing on.
Shawn wanted to invest in smaller AA games that would be more profitable and had even set up PixelOpus within Sony to do smaller projects. Unsurprisingly soon after Shawn left, Jim gutted the studio and shut them down because they weren't doing AAA SP or AAA GAAS projects. Jim Ryan was really hellbent on Sony being "AAA or nothing". Sony's just been in a perpetual state of bad management making the same derivative AAA game with a horde of fanboys ready to screech at you if you point it out.
Gonna take a long time to recover from that with how hard they've dumped on their own studios
Jim leaving means the new CEO is stuck with all those GAAS projects and has to release them to make a return on them. Or cancel them to pivot back to single-player and hope the PS5 can survive off COD/FIFA/GTA (On top of having to re-scope single-player AAA games to not cost over $200 million dollars) as it will take 5-6 years for studios to get back on track. I don't envy that choice but then Sony has been warned for years about it and didn't listen.
Sony is in a tough spot for sure. Xbox as a whole is now massive in gaming thanks to activision blizzard and no longer has to worry about revenue since mobile games alone help keep the whole division in the clear and with their game development finally reaching their goal of two AAA a year with it ramping up fast.
Nintendo meanwhile has cemented a massive money printing machine with the switch and the upcoming switch 2. Sony is in deep trouble here.
>said that this would happen as these games are getting too expensive to make but they just kept plowing on
>are getting
People keep saying this. But it really is just cope.
Games haven't gotten more expensive to make. They've just chosen to make more and more expensive games.
But this idea that games have gotten more expensive to make (which is just flat out false) or the idea that you have to make expensive games (also false) is nothing but cope. Unironically.
But they keep making these excuses.
Reminds me of that genius CEO that re-structured Sears according to his Ayn Rand headcanon.
Internal departments started cannibalizing each other with board-room metrics as the big picture fell apart and nothing on-paper panned out in the real world.
>bet on Forspoken and FF16 to rebuild PlayStation nation's (tm) prestige
>one bombs so hard the studio is dissolved, the other is a no nothing trash that was forgotten in a weak with the weakest sales in FF franchise's history
him leaving could very well be a ramification from those two failures, gaas pivot failure and ps5 having less games than consoles 3rd year into its lifespan
FF16 isn't a failure. It took 3 FFVII remake 3 years to sell 7 million and it'll track close to that based on first week sales. Jim was probably hinted at to step down by the Japanese because of the Activision blunder as he was emailing the CEO saying "I would prefer it didn't happen but it doesn't matter to us that much if it does". Big corps don't work that way, you always have to win.
FFVII remake was at 5.5m in 3 months while FFXVI is still at 3 million almost half a year later. There's a lot of catching up to do.
>FFXVI is still at 3 million almost half a year later.
You don't know what the sales are. They announced 3 million shipped first week and won't update until years later. Most sales are digital which is private
Yeah, you clearly don't know shit about sales. FF7R shipped more than FFXVI in the same time period. FFXVI can't ship more than 3 mjillion copies because there is no demand for this trash. Physical copies fell off hard on Amazon and other marketplaces, digital sales slowed down to a crawl as seen in monthly bestsellers by region published by Sony themselves. FFXVI is an objectively less profitable game than FF7R.
>FF7R got a boost from Covid and everyone was locked in home and desperately wanted to find something to play. let's see how good FF7RB is.
is that a good thing or bad thing?
If somehow it gives more power to Mark Cerny, it's a good thing, otherwise it's not good
It is a fucking GOODE thing, fuck Jim, he gutted Japan Studio when he thought nobody was looking, that nigga deserves it. I was actually putting together a fund to hire a hitman just to kill him.
Sony won't give non AAA japanese games a second thought until Herman Hulst is gone too so it really doesn't matter.
We can wait, I'd much rather they ignore the Japanese isles than start actively ruining shit like Jim did. Fuck Hulst too. The Horizon games are dogshit and they're only claim to fame is that Kojima gave them a rusty trombone and improved their shit, which evidently, they didn't put to good use in the sequel. Fucking retards. What the fuck is up with incompetent Western developers squandering gifts from the Japs? WHERE THE FUCK IS MY ENGLISH TRANSLATED BUILD OF MTFRAMEWORK FUCK THE LOST PLANET 3 TEAM
Why is twitter tagging Ukraine and Israel in this post about videogames?
Because social media is cancer.
israelites btfo
you love to see it
Shoulda made FF16 into a crpg (co-op)
wtf I love FF16 now
>we only got two Jim Ryan memes out of him
Sad
>be Gordon Roomsay
>apparently a chef
>only puts salt and pepper on food
I would unironically eat Indian street food for 3 months than one meal in his restaurant.
Quit the drama, when you see how these mfs prepare their food you'd rather much on bland, disgustingly bland, Bri'ish food.
>create FF7R
>combat system lots of people liked, a hybrid of real time and turn based atb
>tons of customization options and systems like materia.
>weapon, armor and accessory system with each of them being distinct
>make FF16
>boring 4 hit combo action system
>all weapons are the same with more attack power
>accessories are useless stat increases that barely matter
>armor system completely gone
Why the fuck would I play an "RPG" where the only class is a fucking Knight? I wanna be a fucking Wizard or at least have a Wizard in the party.
this is not an RPG, this is the God of Last of Spiderman 2 slop wearing the skin of Final Fantasy
Nah, devil may Clive: Nero Rosfield. And it’s BASED
FF7R
system lots of people liked, a hybrid of real time and turn based atb
>>tons of customization options and systems like materia.
, armor and accessory system with each of them being distinct
I haven't played FF16, and i'm sure is dogshit as well, but your recounting of FF7R is extremely generous, that games is fucking ass in pretty much any department aside from graphics and music.
FF7R's combat system was great, not sure why people keep trying to deny this. To me its flaws lie in that it only shines in hard mode and the forced anime cutscenes that can ruin your attacks. Most games have the decency to just do a normal cutscene and not fuck your attacks over if you don't know exact HP break points.
The pressure/stagger mechanic work well, there are plenty of weaknesses that interact with Pressure/stagger so it stays varied, multiple characters for different playstyles and tactics, hotkeys for non-shitters, menu-based commands for shitters, i-frame dodging, blocking, line of sight interactions, perfect counters. Each character felt unique, and I pray this is something they don't fuck up. Ruin your story all you want, but keep this one saving grace.
Remember how SEGA shat the bed with Hyenas? Sony did that multiple times. Naughty Dog, Santa Monica and Co. all had big multiplayer titles in the works in order to get some of that sweet Tarkov, Fortnite and Valorant money.
But now that the liveservice hype is dying Sony panicked and cancelled all those titles which not only got Jim Ryan to "resign" but also the head of playstation studios. Sony right now is in absolute shambles.
Herman Hulst is here to stay homosexual. Sony always wins.
Sony is dying and you are literally a gay tranny that needs to go -ACK
I believe you, exclusivity with PS almost killed Square.
>still 1 year till pc-keks stop seething over FF16
>still 2 years till steam-keks stop seething over FF16
good times
It's squarenix's fault for trying to pander so hard to ADHD buttonmash wiggers 2 games in a fucking row. It's bad enough they not only abandoned turn based shit for so long but choose to spit on this games grave while deploying damage control astroturfing shills who have no life.
Now call me barry, get your mentally ill serotonin release because you have no justification for how bad FF has gotten.
Is there a way I can rent a PS5 for FF7 Rebirth? I don't see myself using it for anything other than that but I don't want to wait forever for the PC port this time.
3month exclusive and it is a multiplat game.
The PC port last time was only absurdly long because Sony got 1.5 years, and epic got 1 year on top of that. This time is only 3 months apparently.
>be me when young.
>Could rent a console and a game from certain rental shops.
>Enjoy a wonderful weekend.
I wish.
i feel ya. i got tricked into getting a console to play rdr2. oof.
Literally what the fuck is this thread
the crazy people mad about 16 are back again
Square enix quarterly earnings call showed positive growth so the resident ffxv aborigine schizo is running damage control because the company was supposed to be dead by now or something
You forgot to add the Nintendo earnings call came out and pikmin sold less than ffxvi which was a big deal for said schizo
>falling MMO sales
>plunging operating profit
You Squeenix dickriders are only good at one thing called cope.
aborgine just means native. if your an american, born in america, your an american aboriginal. if your trying to refer to like, australian "aboriginals", just say, petrol huffer or something.
Celebrating SE and Sony died.
Tendies mad at ff16 again for some reason, did they actually show the dlc or what
No. They are just jrpg fans/anime weeb. FF7RB will show that FF is only Asian games. 77RB can be only seen at amazon japan top 100. SE should only make 2D jrpg with low cost of production and focus Japanese market, probably put all their up-coming games on switch/phone.
Nah they are good on pc and ps4
sure. I think FF shouldn't exist anymore because DQ is better than FF as jrpp IP in Asian.
I actually caved and I'm getting a PS5 just for FF7RB, It'll probably sell worse than FFXVI though I agree
barry schizoing out and wildly lashing out and reaching for anything in hopes that something might stick
Both ff15 and ff16 suck
i'm happy for you but that has nothing to do with this schizo thread
16 killed American hero Jack Ryan, he served with honor. RIP
Tendies seething again
They also wanted capcom dead at some point
FF16 does indeed resemble a Sony over the shoulder fake edgy movie game more than it does Final Fantasy.
why cant they make final fantasy a fun and memorable game its so soulless, even dragon quest devs understands basic story lines
So ff16 saved playstation?
Snoygroids and SEtroons ACKing together today lmao
No, he was fired because he was unable to stop Microsoft's purchase of Activision/Blizzard, it is not coincidental that he announced his """retirement""" a few weeks before the official announcement, by that time there were already rumors that the CMA was ready to give the go-ahead for the purchase.
To be fair there are a lot of people being fired
EGS cant compensate the brand damage and (sorry if /misc/) the anti white politics have made a lot of gamers poorer and mant potential costumers wont be born
At this point its more like anti everyone than anti white specifically
Imagine have the freedom of working with Spiderman and being able to do pretty much anything with the character and the universe without fear due to the brand selling itself and your first line of thought is
>YAS QUEEN SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! IM MAKING MARY JANE THE MC AND GIVING HER THE DOUBLE OF PLAY TIME, I DON'T GIVE F*CK ABOUT YOU CHUDS!
>btw her sections are literally every stealth section from every western game that has it from the last 10 or so years
It's like they exclusively hire only the most fucking unimaginative and constantly seething about boogiemans people they could possibly find to work in those AAA companies
good and whoever was responsible for pushing final fantasy into becoming garbage action rpgs instead of remaining kino turn based games should be fire as well. ff16 was so bad I just stopped playing, never even finished it.
Barry isn't even in the thread (easily recognizable by very specific ESL grammar patterns) yet buckbroken Twitter rapefugees who simp for their cult leader Yoshi-P continue to scream into the void. This is low key the best part of these threads.
nice try trancer
Squeenix is too fickle to try and bolster some kind of relationship with.
I can imagine Jim on hands and knees sucking off every squeenix exec in a big suck and fuck orgy, during which the execs are talking about making the definitive version of DQ11 the swirch version, as Jims huffing and puffing his fave covered in asiatic cum
I dont think he got fired. He's too upbeat and cordial in the employee meetings. He might have a golden parachute or something though but he's definitely taking it well. I think he's not lying about the jetlag taking its toll. He's also pretty old.
Im pretty sure it was all the money on bribes he wasted trying to stop the Activision deal, which was as stupid as trying to empty the sea with a spoon
No wonder FF15 was shit FF16 was even worse
ff16 broke even
jim ryan got fired for the GaaS disaster
99% sure that he got fired for buying that useless garbage bungie.
I chose to believe someone at sony thought they were buying halo.
Action games and MMOs will never be Final Fantasy.
XVI just keeps getting better, then
he looks like Virgil from devil may cry
>cope for yoshida daily
>now roped into coping for jim ryan as well
Uh-oh, cultistsis...
You would not believe just how many hours, days, weeks, months I have spent dedicated to defending/hyping this game up every chance I can get on Ganker.
If you heard how much time I've spent keeping the reception of this game positive here you would think I was joking, seriously.
And the funny part is I don't even think it's a 10/10 masterpiece or anything. I know it was a little disappointing. But again, the reasons I do what I do are so unbelievably sad to say out loud you would think I was making them up.
The bottom line is I refuse to let the doomers and haters win, even if there are only one or two of them. And if I have to sacrifice almost every minute of free time I have to do it, then that's fine by me.
Yoshit Piss in my mouth
At least something good came of it then.
It says it right in their financial report. Physical sales in the west is less than 20%. Asia is the smallest market and domestic the only market still doing okay with physical.
What was the point of only releasing the game on PS5 when it barely runs at 60 FPS throughout the entire experience? Why wasn't there a PS4 version if they wanted it to sell more? Why the fuck would Square Enix greenlight a PS5 only version of a mainline Final Fantasy?
It made sense with 15 and the PS4 due to the install size, it doesn't make sense for 16.
It was going to be on PS4 but got delayed due to war. SE weren't thrilled about the console change but put up with it so it must have been Sony's request.
's game
>Sold barely 3 million despite releasing globally
Shipped and sold
He should have forced SE to use Real Devs rather than MMO Devs.
with all the live service shit failing and the FF games flopping are they gonna stop being as risk averse as they can? maybe make some turn-based JRPGs instead of action games?
>maybe make some turn-based JRPGs instead of action games?
Just make some old school vibe FF like they did with IX.
I had more fun with Persona 5 or Atelier Ryza than any FF of the last 15 years.
>maybe make some turn-based JRPGs instead of action games?
Unironically looks great.
>Y'shtola's game
Sold 10+ million with ARR alone
>Prishe's game
Sold around 8 million all in all from vanilla until seekers
https://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/news/pdf/24q2slides.pdf
sisters...
As someone who played FF16, I had a fuck ton of fun. You tell me that Bahamut and Titan Lost werent visual stunning masterpieces. I've been gaming for a long time, but Titan made me shit fucking bricks with how intense it was. Its not a perfect game, but I'll be damned if its anything less than an 8. Last I checked, 8 was 80 percent meaning good. That it also got DLC means that it was a success, barely, but it was. It was a fun game, and the combat system was pretty smooth
Don't you know that the threads here are only for shitposting?
Most of the people here don't play games.
>You tell me that Bahamut and Titan Lost werent visual stunning masterpieces.
uhh and the gameplay?
Kino https://youtu.be/8vFgcCpCJzk?si=-Xsxn-eu7qK5T9lO
?si=U6eoLbSlDV-98n1j
>Kino
is that some kind of yiddish word?
Nah, it’s arabic https://youtu.be/h-hFQQp6-go?si=mHrqfQRInJ2NzirS
same thing
it's a 7, the high highs can't cover for all the lows(no rpg mechanics, no good exploration, useless gear system, no party, shitty fetchquests, no cities and such)
>MMO player thinks slop is 8/10
lmao
the demo was trash so I skipped it and joined the Barry-train
>some literally who got fired
don't care
what ?
>Also btw FFXV sold more in less time than either FF7 or FF10 did, it's sales pace is 2x FF7 and 3x FF10
Is it true or am I getting bamboozled by XV-kun?
>Tomb Raider when it sold 6m had exceeded expectations
Wasn't it the opposite?
Holy shit this is grim. Nearly 5 months and no sales update for XVI. Square refuses. This game was a massive disaster
Funniest thing is seeing all the yoshi p drones in the comments seething and blaming a man that is just reporting on facts. Are yoshi p drones the worst fanbase alive?
Final Fantasy XVI is one of those games that people shit on now but will be considered one of the best in the series in 10 years time.
>but will be considered one of the best in the series in 10 years time.
So people can shit on FFXVIII
it'll be remembered as the best one of its time period but that's not saying much
people still shit on 8 even though it's a good game
people shit on VIII for the meme. VIII is one of the best in the series, just like XVI.
8 is the worst classic FF game next to 2, the quality gap between it and 7/9 is big, it's a bad game
Not even remotely true, 7 is the worst PS1 FF of the 4
7 has an interesting story/characters and a non-fucked up customization system, 8's only good aspect is the music
>palestine AND israel flag
>only ukraine flag
russians aren't human
Good goy.
I thought it got sequels because Microsoft wanted its own Uncharted, so it funded them for SE
now that sony acquired nintendo maybe they will make miyamoto the president of SIE
Is Sony CEO, after Kaz quit they fired all the game guys at Sony and put the money poeple in charge.
After years of pushing F2P and GASS development the games in production end up being shit, the acquisition of Bungie one of the worst decision and waist of money made by the company and end up having a games showcase after 3 years of drought with ZERO games, Hey enjoy Spider Man 2 and.... Cat Quest III.
Fuck Jimbo, retired my ass, he got boot and the CEO of Sony should follow up, but hey, the PS5 is still selling like hot pocket without games so....
>After years of pushing F2P and GASS development
?
the only game that fits this description is gt7
He's talking about games that are (or possibly were) still in development, like Fairgames, Concord, Marathon, and 9 other Games as a Service that Sony said they were making
Oh yeah, Ryan is a fucking idiot. PS going from japan to america was one of the worst things to happen to gaming
I'm not reading this fucking thread, why did Sony kill twitter/x integration?
Elon upped the price of them using their API, so Sony just abandoned it
>pozz removed jim ryan from sony
Uh... I never should have used that monkey paw.
I'd always thought it was weird that their exclusivity deals went from 12 months (officially) for FF7r, to 6 months with FF16 and now down to 3 months with FF7 rebirth. Either Sony are thinking the expense isn't worth it for FF exclusivity anymore or sqenix aren't seeing enough of a return on their exclusivity deal and want it on more platforms quickly. Either way it seems Sony is losing hold of FF again.
>>Vaan's game
>Sold 7.4 million
>Noctis's game
sold 10+ million
I'm willing to bet that less than 20% of people saw the end credits.
Both of these games killed the franchise.
the steam deck killer and its only 299usd
>Palestine Israel Ukraine hippie praying graphs controller popcorn
What did he mean by this?
XVI is the most semitic Final Fantasy, you shouldn't be surprised
Vergil?
Just post the new sales totals
Just post them and I'll spare your lives
Nah, devil may Clive: Nero Rosenfield. And it’s KOSHER
Devil May Clive: Nero Ibn Vergil Rosfield. MUSHALLAH
Devil May Circumcise: Rabbi Clive Rosenstein. Mazeltov
Shayṭān May Deny: sheikh Nero Rosfield. Takbir
cool it with the anti semitism
https://twitter.com/Genki_JPN/status/1721823398165442900
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Square Enix Q2 results
-Net sales up thanks to FF16 and Pixel Remaster
-But operating income down due to higher development and advertising costs
-MMO segment down
-Ever Crisis & new titles unable to offset weak performances from existing mobile titles
-Merchandise up
https://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/news/pdf/24q2slides.pdf
Why all the FF16 doomposting then? Just Ganker being Ganker?
>had lackluster opening sales
>steep drop off from those
>speculated it might not have even cleared its initial shipment
>square enix declined to update its sales for ff16 for the entire quarter
It's not a particularly good look, even when you take their bullshit entirely at face value
Well Q3 might look good when FF7Rebirth comes out at least.
Not until Q4
It's coming out on PS5. And it's a continuation of story from a prior game, which mostly just did okay.
It's not going to sell well on the PS5.
There are already spreads on if Rebirth will beat XVI sales tbh. Take one of the bets if you're confident, I'll enjoy making more money off this board LOL
Spider-Man 2 barely scraped by in comparison to 1. And it's a full sequel with a separate story.
People are delusional if they think a PS5 exclusive will sell well. Making a game PS5 exclusive is incredibly dumb, I imagine Sony must be putting out a lot of money to convince Square to do it.
Bet is up, I remember reading similar things pre-XVI launch (this is why I got such great odds.)
Fair enough
anon, XVI did 3 million.
spider-man 2 is at 2.5 million at the moment, but it just came out
i don't even know what you're talking about "bets"
Sometimes I forget how delusional some diehard FF fans can be
Beating xvi isn't much of an accomplishment, especially when it's banking off the brand recognition of vii
When you release a mainline title in your flagship franchise I should fucking hope net sales increase.
You would hope a multi hundred million dollar original, fresh IP would do the same
>"I just shuttered my development studio... with my freakin mind!"
>I should fucking hope net sales increase.
No one was buying another FF game after how XV released.
XV was their chance to bounce back from the Lightning trilogy absolutely no one asked for. Instead, they released something even worse that would've been received poorly even it didn't have 10 years of hype and expectations behind it.
XVI doing 3m sales is a fucking miracle, they deserved 0. The only thing Square deserves is to get fucking shuttered.
>Xbox trannies and Barry making shit up again
I think it's more likely the fact that he reoriented every single first party studio to make live service slop, when none of them knew how, and none of them wanted to, was told that all these games were unsalvageable, paid 4x what they were worth to buy bungie just to serve as a fucking consultant firm, only for them to also say "yeah, shit's fucked, you're probably better off canceling all of these", and they were too busy running this consulting, causing their one game they've put out to decline dramatically. If we thought the first half of the ps5's life was brutal, the second half is gonna be even worse thanks to him.
It also somewhat screwed their attempt to stop the microsoft activision merger.
It was obviously Bungie being half dead when he bought them got him fired not some 6 month exclusive.
I think he probably got fired because he told everyone that if Microsoft merged with Activision, the whole Sony corporation would cease to exist. Then Microsoft merged with Activision.
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
well that's a wrap. gamesradar is the most trusted source in gaming journalism. if they say 16 flopped then 16 flopped
So XVI did well but it couldn't save Square from the repercussions caused by other games that actually flopped (ahem ahem Forspoken ahem ahem Marvel Avengers)
Doesn't seem like XVI's fault.
>higher income
>but lower profit
It means ff16's budget was so bloated that it lost money and cut deeper into their mmo/mobile dosh
No. It means their avengers games and Forspoken cost so much and brought in so little that FFXVI wasn't able to recoup it.
Are you fucking stupid?
FFXVI had so many fucking cinematics that it cost hundreds of millions of dollars
>Are you fucking stupid?
Are you? Can you read?
It says XVI sold well, but it couldn't mitigate the losses by their other shit. Shit that flopped, like Avengers and Flopspoken.
Cope.
>avengers and forspoken
>in april-september of 2023
You're a special kind of retard
Forshitten released in 2023 you fucking imbecile
In a different fiscal year
>make more profit when forspoken launched than when ff16 launched
>"clearly, this is because they didn't see any of the losses from forspoken until 8 months after launch"
Argue with this
>-Net sales up thanks to FF16 and Pixel Remaster
>Final Fantasy 16 sold well, but not enough to patch Square Enix's profits
Stop bouncing between goalposts you literal triple-lobotomized pitch black bike-yoinking mongrel.
>net sales up
>profits down
>"BUT IT TOTALLY MADE TONS OF MONEY THOUGH!!! IT'S ACTUALLY LOSSES THAT WERE INCURRED IN SEPARATE FISCAL YEARS TRYING TO SABOTAGE FF16!!! BASED SQUARE ENIX IS MY FRIEND AND THE CLOSEST THING I HAVE TO A FATHER FIGURE, THEY WOULN'T STRETCH THE TRUTH!!!"
>losses stop being a factor because it's another quarter
That's great. I'll tell all those companies that suffered massive losses a year ago that all their losses magically disappeared after 3 months so they shouldn't be sweating to recoup them.
Right, retard? You numpty? You braindead vanta black primitive neanderthal? You loathsome black hole hued troglodyte with a grasp on reality equal to that of an ant missing four of its legs while being crushed by a beetle?
This is a completely separate fucking quarter, you retard. They made a higher profit when forspoken launched than they did when ff16 launched.
That literally does not matter, retard.
>-Net sales up thanks to FF16 and Pixel Remaster
And
>Final Fantasy 16 sold well, but not enough to patch Square Enix's profits
Basically read your own shit before you scree about it, limp-dicked doomsissy.
>net sales up
So it sold more than forspoken
>profits down
But managed to lose more money than forspoken
>Final Fantasy 16 sold well
>but not enough to patch Square Enix's profits
Get into basic reading comprehension. Until you do, I don't wanna hear any of your chimping.
>THIS CORPORATION WOULD NEVER SPIN THINGS TO DOWNPLAY A BAD SITUATION TO APPEASE SHAREHOLDERS, CAN'T YOU READ?! THEY LITERALLY TOLD SHAREHOLDERS EVERYTHING IS FINE!"
Get into basic critical thinking. Until you do, I don't wanna hear any of your chimping.
>b-bros even though they were painfully honest about flopspoken failing hard, they're totally downplaying ffxvi's floppage... b-because I say so it's all a conspiracy. it's all yoshitpiss fault!!!!!!!! THEY MADE THEM LIE!
You're a schizo nagger. Go plague some other forum with your mongoloid ideations.
If you think what they told about forspoken wasn't them downplaying it still, I have a bridge to sell you.
Ah, so now we're just making up straight up fanfiction to try and hold on to an argument.
I accept your consneedsion. You lost.
You have no idea how business works
Profits are recorded annually, as a function of revenue minus expenses. A game like FFXVI is in development for several years. Those expenses are recordered all at once, they occur over those years. The profits, on the other hand, are generated this year. So whatever their expenses for the year are are subtracted from the revenenue that 16 generated.. not to mention any OTHER games. SE is a massive company, they have more than one game releasing in any year. So what it means is, despite FFXVI's success, their profits are still down because other games they were anticipating on selling this year, like Forspoken, didn't sell well and haven't offset expenses (expenses that are actually for titles CURRENTLY in development)
I'm glad I could spell this all out for a moron like you, I hope you understood like 5% of it
>"You have no idea how business works"
>has no idea that there's a difference between calendar years and fiscal years
Top fucking kek
Don't bother with this clown. Even if he had the basic capacity to understand something evident, he's still actually unwilling to.
You can lead a retard to the obvious conclusion, you can't make him accept it, and this retard just wants to rage and spin fanfiction.
It's just a butthurt tendie, they're underdeveloped and play literal baby "games"
Yeah, tendies have had it out for ff16 ever since the ps5 started outselling the shitch
Wouldn't surprise me t b h.
They can't handle that the ps5 is dominating and the shitch is dead in the water, so they pretend FF16 flopped, because they'd probably kill themselves if they faced the reality that ps5 is on its way to becoming the most successful console of all time, and shitch is not. 160 million floor for ps5 according to experts.
>Final Fantasy 16 sold well, but not enough to patch Square Enix's profits
This is stakeholder speak for "yeah it flopped b-b-b-but please keep investing in us!"
Yeah bro Square does that all the time, lying about things that underperformed. Not like they shit on stuff that even does perform well. No, they're just constantly lying that something that didn't perform adequately is actually doing well.
And then you woke up from your doomsissying-induced fanfiction.
>net sales up
>but not enough to patch Square Enix's profits
You know what this implies, right? Surely, you have the two braincells to rub together to divine what the meaning behind that is?
It means that Square was suffering losses, and that XVI, despite selling well enough, didn't sell well enough to recoup previously incurred losses.
You literal retard. Please do the world favor, spend less time shitposting angrily on imageboards and go to school to get a basic grasp on sentence structure and implicit statements.
>didn't sell well enough to make money
>success
KEK
That doesn't say "didn't sell well enough to make money" you illiterate retard.
Tendies are fucking desperate to try and make any anti-ps5 FUD stick
outdated and debunked
>outdated and debunked
Post your sources, then, if you can.
>outdated and debunked
nope
Cuckive has less market value than Lightning and she was already being forced down everyone's throat on top of overstaying her welcome.
The only people who enjoy FF16 are the ones who pirated the game.
Yoshitpiss-bros...It's Over
https://twitter.com/Genki_JPN/status/1721823398165442900
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Square Enix Q2 results
-Net sales up thanks to FF16 and Pixel Remaster
-But operating income down due to higher development and advertising costs
-MMO segment down
-Ever Crisis & new titles unable to offset weak performances from existing mobile titles
-Merchandise up
The fag made a fool of himself and 'lost' the lawsuit against Microsoft/activision, shortly afterward he announces his retirement. Well, it was closer to that day when those hackers hacked Sony and to this day it is not known how serious that was.
Yoshi P saved Sony it seems. He just needs to get the HQ back to Japan soil.
barry lost hard
again. the guy just can't stop copping Ls on his own turf
embarrassing
I'm not barry. Both ff15 and ff16 are equally shit. Copulate with a blender.
what type of blender are we talking
>/
this fell off your pronouns as you fled from barry
Damn, the tendies are really salty about the shitch flopping and trying to take it out on ff16
This, shitch is dead in the water. FF16 did great.
>xvi-fags coping themselves into even greater mental retardation
kek
FF16 outsold mario blunder
4 million is higher than 3 million, Eric.
You're "eric", not me
https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/text/%22You%27re%20%22eric%22%2C%20not%20me%22/
>tendies coping themselves with the shitch flopping, taking it out on xvi and pretending it flopped
You are mentally ill. FF16 did phenomenally.
Then why did the president of the company say "the high end of the company's expectations were not met"
See
retarrd
Holy shit, tendies are seething
Guess the news of mario flopping hit them pretty hard
>shipped + digitally sold 3 million
It's still stuck there kek
yoshitroons are seeing pikmin when they close their eyes again...
barrimus lost so fuckin hard it's hilarious he must be punching the air right now
It's not barry this time, it's eric he's a tendie who falseflags as a sony fan sometimes
False
fucking retards
by far the most useless community on 4chungus
Best-selling PS5 games
1.) Elden Ring - 3.64 million
2.) Final Fantasy XVI - 3 million
3.) Marvel's Spider-Man 2 - 2.5 million (still close to release, may go higher)
4.) Demon's Souls - 1.4 million
5.) Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart - 1.1 million
Trying to put exclusives on PS5 or XB:S/X is just dumb at the moment.
this is the one
the winning post
your machine like commitment has finally paid off. you have defeated barry
Who the fuck's Barry? I'm just posting sales numbers.
you did it again
you bested barry
it was all worth it
Can anyone clue me in what this is about? I don't get the joke here.
He's mad because you are right and he can't stand it.
BOOM HEADSHOT
What is up with the "defeated Barry" shit then? That some namefag in a lot of Sony threads or something?
Barry is someone who made it his autistic crusade to cry about XVI day in day out, mostly based on cherrypicked stats and lists to show that "it flopped"
So you showing a concrete list of how it fared compared to its competitors that he can't refute is upsetting him.
Oh. Ganker autists obsessing over shit stuff.
Thanks for the lore anon
Yeah, so basically the usual.
No problem.
it's no joke friend. the war is over. your robotic routine has won the day at last
Sounds based.
it is incredibly based. he fights with drone like persistence every thread, every day, all for this moment. XVI has been defended, it's honor restored
Cool. I dig it.
>wikipedia copy-paste
>source for XVI is RPGsite
>source for Elden Ring is a BOOK that is severely outdated
KEK
>KEK
>I have no source, because everything I find backs it up
too bad
>top selling PS5 game - 3.64 million
that's grim
Tendies are a fucking cult. FF16 won.
>make your game exclusive to one console
>expect big numbers in sales
boring worthless retards
but enough about you
BOOM HEADSHOT
Ever since people called me barry for no reason I had to check these threads out.
I ask a simple question.
Why? What is the point of these threads? At least me posting Zelink is a moral thing.
No games past spiderman 2 got him fired, it's gonna be at least 5 years until the next release
>so basically the usual
kek exactly
front line assembly
It's SO derivative of Game of Thrones. Yes. Game of Thrones was popular. People loved it for the characters and the world building. But you cannot tail that line forever.
If Mario RPG sells gangbusters. Is there a chance of Square Enix doing another turnbased Final Fantasy or is Final Fantasy truly dead?
It's a Mario game. It's on the Switch, which was recently reported to now have 130 million+ consoles out.
Of course it's going to sell well.
It would take it being called Metroid to sell like crap. Mario games do well.
>Of course it's going to sell well.
We used to be able to say this of Final Fantasy too.
Its ps5 only. They just need to show some turn based next time for people to lose their shit again
And then homosexuals like you used to say
>you see ff sells because its for normies and trannies
>We used to be able to say this of Final Fantasy too
not really, FF7 was an anomaly and was the first FF that sold incredibly well. most of the titles after it were banking on the success of it and people that were fans of 7 hoping the series remains as good, to mixed results.
Mariofags buy anything
SE already made octopath 2
Nice headcannon Barry. Can't wait for FF16 DLC and PC port
why is this board so obsessed with FF16?
Some Nintendo discord
They dont even like turn based games as they already started to shitpost ff9
Got a link to their discord shittalking ff9? Sounds posh.
There's a few shitposters, but it's largely some autistic Australian immigrant that's been obsessed with the director and has been posting about said director for 10 years on Ganker
They also run into issues on /a/, and was caught liking tranny porn in a /wowg/ a year ago
It's Ganker. It has a number of obsessive autists hyperfocused on weird shit, I dont' know all their names.
This man killed the Japanese side of PlayStation.
This board would be really funny with flags and IDs