FF4 when it came out was considered the greatest rpg of all time & a 10/10 masterpiece, how do you feel about it now Ganker?
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FF4 when it came out was considered the greatest rpg of all time & a 10/10 masterpiece, how do you feel about it now?
Still among my favorite FF
Was actually thinking about it yesterday and how it's world kept expanding each time you thought you had explored all of it
It’s the most odyssey-like FF, possibly because they merged the original NES FF4 with the pre-production SNES FF5 to make the game we got.
Definitely best RPG when it came out, still shortlist and hall of fame.
I played through it years ago and thought it was pretty good. It kept my attention the whole time which is the hardest thing for any JRPG to do. So I'd say it's one of the best.
One of my favorite games, I replay it a bunch
No it wasnt, it was barely acknowledged and it didnt even come out in Europe
I liked 3 more
my brother
Its better than 6.
A groundbreaker as one of the first good 16 bit rpgs, but let's face it. The story was fricking moronic.
The moon? Seriously? I'm still not sure how this seemingly medieval fantasy game suddenly turned into sci-fi trip into outer space. And on a space whale, no less.
It's moronic but in an awesome way. Like a story you make up with your action figures as a kid.
It was clearly inspired by Ultima.
>I'm still not sure how this seemingly medieval fantasy game suddenly turned into sci-fi trip into outer space.
FF4 wasn’t even the first RPG to do this.
Every Final Fantasy from inception has had some light science fiction elements. Ancient technology is a cool-ass theme in general. And it's too far of a stretch for you in a setting where a magic ring can make sentient bombs appear? Really? It's a fantasy you stupid c**t.
>Really? It's a fantasy you stupid c**t.
No. Medieval fantasy and sci-fi are two very distinct genres.
I'm not saying there's a hardline between them, but to suddenly jump from one genre into another without warning is jarring to say the least. You start the game with dragons and airships but then towards the end, you're somehow fighting aliens on the moon.
And that shit has been happening since the fricking eighties. Perhaps even the seventies.
You aren't a smartass. This shit has been happening on FF since the FIRST FRICKING ONE.
Shut the frick up already you moronic ignorant zoomer.
final fantasy has never tried to be medieval fantasy you moron.
It has always been high fantasy, what fricking medieval fantasy game has god damn airships?
You start the game flying on goddamn airships (clearly mechanical with bombing weapons). And the Tower of Zot is less than halfway through the game and clearly at an advanced technology level. Shortly after, you go to the dwarf kingdom where they have fricking tank units. Then you go to the Tower of Babel where a mad scientist teleports away.
And the moon is hinted at as early as Mysidia.
Yes the medieval fantasy with dirty bombs that bring out creatures of fire, hovercrafts, fricking flying ships with gunpower weapons, and ninjas.
Established the ATB and has an amazing sountrack. Still a great JRPG, still holds up.
The first FF had time travel, flying fortresses, and robots. What's your point.
Don't talk shit about the Big Whale.
>tellah distraught by grief
>blamed himself for his daughters death
>he must get meteor and whoop ass, it's the only way
>silently acknowledges it wasn't the way before accepting edward and killing himself
if you think that's bad writing, you are honestly shit
Fantasy always could have elements of scifi in it.
I don't know where this idea came that fantasy had to be superficial tolkien clones in medieval stasis.
seriously bro aliens are NOT fantasy I tell ya
that's not even the moronic part
the moronic part is the main party getting btfo by golbez again and again
>the moronic part is the main party getting btfo by golbez again and again
In FF9 the party loses EVERY fight against Kuja or Beatrix, every single one
>FF4 when it came out was considered the greatest rpg of all time & a 10/10 masterpiece
No it wasn't. Mean Machines gave it like 50%, i don't think Super Play scored it that much higher either.
Have you not played a FF game before? The entire point is that every game has a scifi element - it's what made it stand apart from Dragon Quest.
Namingway Edition on the SNES. The translation is so good i actually rate it better than FF7 overall.
>Mean Machines
Never heard of it
>UK magazine
That might explain it. In America it was well received, though RPGs were more niche back then.
It didnt even release in Europe until like 2011 so that could have affected the UK score
>Chrono Trigger
>Arcanum
>The Longest Journey
>Baten Kaitos
Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm beginning to think that the best games have both medieval fantasy magic and scifi elements..
You never even played FF1.
>it's not even WARMECH under the spoiler
shit homie, what are you doing?
Whoops wrong pic
Guess I lost the game
For 99% of human history we didn't know shit about what the moon actually was and would make up all kinds of theories of weird creatures to justify its existence. It's not "sci-fi" to have the moon be host weird shit in your story.
Alluding to these myths in your fantasy story is just as valid as alluding to Odin or Thor. Nobody would bat an eye if you fought a moon god from ancient history like Khonsu but as soon as you travel to the moon people suddenly get uppity about it.
>but as soon as you travel to the moon people suddenly get uppity about it
This. The Moon trip is closer to fantasy more than anything.
>no spacesuits, no oxygen
>walking around on the Moon casually
>unless I'm misremembering, arrows work fine so gravity is likely unchanged
I'm not trying to be a "WELL ACKSHUALLY" gay but the game doesn't treat it like some big sci fi adventure outside of the big spaceship (which is still a whale).
>The moon?
A stroke of genius by Sakaguchi
>The moon? Seriously?
>but to suddenly jump from one genre into another without warning
How to tell someone started gaming in the 2000s.
It was stereotypical for RPGs to start fantasy, ramp up to high fantasy, then introduce technology. Ultima, Might and Magic, Final Fantasy, all do this.
Older games tend to mix and mash themes.
Until the ~~*microtransactions*~~ ended up making games that pigeon hole into one specific theme and never deviating, for example Witcher and TES.
The ~~*microtransactions*~~ turned demon world exploration RPG into a high school dating simulator.
Games were just better back then.
TES is sci fi. The Imperials have a base on the moon
The first final fantasy had time travel and a space station, I'm not sure where you're getting "medieval fantasy" from.
tried replaying it recently. the revolving door party annoyed me and i stopped around the earth crystal.
i still enjoy it, there's better in the series but it's got a good flow and never stops moving the plot
rydia is best FF girl
It’s the only well paced FF game besides FF6, pacing determines quality
Not true. 3 was paced as well as 4, if not better. The game moves along exceptionally well and the world keeps opening up and expanding quickly as you solve various issues.
The pacing is excellent.
But it sucks because the gameplay is balls.
It's simple and feels a bit too easy to play from start to finish, but the aesthetics and soundtrack of the snes version is kino
Am I the only one who liked FFIV TAY PSP version?
No.
But I love the ds version more.
Love it
I think it's dumb that every death except Tellah and his daughter is a fakeout though.
Following up to this comment, Yang and Cid's sacrifices feel really pointless and only seem to serve to get them out of the way.
I'm glad with 5 they realized that sacrifices need to matter. Galuf's flame has flickered out.
>Jumps into a volcano with a bomb strapped to his chest
>Is completely fine in the end
my favorite final fantasy games are 7 (not the fricking remake), 6, 5, and 4. all are top tier.
Still strongly positive and top 4 for the FF series.
It's alright.. FF5 is better.
5>6>4
While I don't hate it, it is the one I have replayed the least from the snes era.
starts playing in the final dungeon
kino
Not a big fan, its a lot like 6, an excessive cast with little customization, but 4 is a little less charming than 6.
I still really enjoy it. It's simple but has a decent story, good music, and I like how you can plow through it in like 8 hours and it doesn't drag at all. My only complaint with the original SNES version is how easy it is. Unfortunately the pixel remaster is almost just as easy too.
It's over 20 hours at minimum, and that's if you only stick to main story.
Probably the worst FF game that isn't outright shit like II or XV. Gameplay doesn't have anything interesting going on, story has too many tweests to take seriously after a while, but at least it doesn't feel like it drags. FFIV DS is a lot more fun since it slaps your shit right away and never lets up.
>how do you feel about it now Ganker?
I just remember it having a lot of annoying
>unskippable cutscene
>normal boss
>unskippable cutscene
>gimmick boss
fights in it, and if you lost to the gimmick boss you had to sit through the cutscenes and redo the boss again.
not my favorite one but better than what zoomers would consider a masterpiece.
Easily one of my favorites after FF5
Still my favorite single player FF. The rest of them have Nomura's involvement so I can't stomach them.
It's ok, nothing super good like 6 or 7
Whats the best version of FF4 to play now? Pixel remaster or PSP or 3DS?
For me it's the PSP version. Pixel remaster is also good though. But if you want a little challenge, try the DS version.
Still an easy contender for top 5 Final Fantasy games. Played the original, PSP, and most recently the HD Remaster and it absolutely still holds up.
Never played 3DS, but PSP and Remaster are both great choices. I'd probably give just a slight edge to Remaster, but PSP is great too
Snes is still king for me. Ive played all the versions because I love the game but I don't like playing handhelds and emulating doesn't have the same soul as playing it with an actual SNES controller on you hand. I do with the psp version would get a release on other platforms
Just curious. Without a meaningless buzzword what are you missing by emulating the PSP version?
not him but the psp sprites are fricking ugly
I like playing on my couch with an actual TV and snes cartridge in my super nt. I like the simplicity of just pressing the power button and there the game is. I know I could set up my pc to emulate it and run it through my tv and even get some USB adapter to plug a SNES controller onto but that's too complex for who I am at this point in my life. I don't want to mess with settings and all that either. I kind of like the 16 bit snes graphics too because it's like a time capsule.
40% of the screen, better spell effects, and any semblance of difficulty.
Pixel Remaster with the corrected XP mod.
0 replay value (at least in the 2d version) kills it for me
best ost until xiv though imo
Still on my top 5.
Seeing that final battle with the trope of all your friends coming out to heal and protect you as the main motif of the series played was pretty stellar when you experienced it back then.
I prefer 6 over it in terms of old school FF
It is definitely better than a lot of early SNES rpgs though, but imo that isn't saying much
Ff4 is still one of my all time favorite games. I'm old and got it the month it came out and it was a revelation. I'd never played a game as good as it. The graphics, the music, the characters, and story. This is all stuff we take for granted
and call cliche now, but it was groundbreaking going from dragon warrior and Ultima games to this. I replay it often
More like Final Fantasy 4/10
Railroaded from the start to the very end, essentially the FFXIII of its time with an equally bad story. The main character cries himself to sleep, then a bunch of people die and come back like it's Dragonball o'clock and the bad guy isn't bad, he's just brainwashed by the real bad guy who's not bad either, he's just brainwashed by another bad guy who's got insomnia. Everything has been done better in FF2.
The party is always fixed, same for spells and equipment so every playthrough is the same though at least some of the ports fixed that. There is a whopping ONE side quest that involves finding a rat tail with MMO-tier drop rate.
Soundtrack, battle system and Rydia porn are everything this game is good for.
How are the pixel remasters? The look almost exactly like that shitty chibi art style they used for mobile phones and that turned me off. Am I wrong?
Better question is, how does Ganker feel about The After Years now? I remember playing the original Wii eshop title when they were doing episodic releases but I barely remember it, and I don't think I got all the episodes. I saw they did a 3D remake in the style of the 3ds IV remake and was interested in trying it. Worth checking it out?
Ever, ever play spinoff/sequel content to a FF game.
I played it right off the back of FFIV when playing the PSP version and I enjoyed it for the most part. It has a lot of odd choices and some just outright bad chapters (here's to you, Edward) but on the whole I don't mind what it's going for. Them lobotomizing Cecil for the entirety of the plot put a bad taste in my mouth, however. I don't care IF he'd trivialize it, making him become the new Traitor King of Baron is such a dick move.
Easily one of the best. Still second to FFV, imo.
FF3 was better
FF4 was a downgrade in everything but graphics and music quality... and that was only because of the NES-SNES transition.
>FF3 was better
By 3 you mean 6, right?
The one that opens with the mech walker, not the one where you're on a floating island?
If so, you have a completely valid opinion. Otherwise you're moronic, because FF3 was inferior to 4 in every respect. Worse story, worse gameplay, worse characters. Only advantage it has is that you kind of get to decide the composition of your party if you want to grind a late game job up to a useful level.
FF3 has more customizable parties and is has a more challenging difficulty.
>Endgame in FF1
>Any combination of Warrior, Ninja, Monk, Black Wizard, White Wizard, Red Wizard
>Endgame in FF3
>2 Sage 2 Ninja
Such an improvement.
How many of those Jobs are the same thing as an earlier one except slightly better but not really because by the time you get it the old version is 50 levels higher?
What the frick does a Geomancer do in FF3?
Geomancer is great in the right areas. I used the shit out of it in the underwater dungeon.
It's super boring and unremarkable now. This game no longer holds up.
I would actually and unironically replay FF1 before I replayed FF4.
4, 5 and 6 are the best in the series.
Console RPGs got zero recognition until FF7 happened.
Because they sucked.
FF4 is a boring movie game. SaGa brutally mogged final fantasy.
SaGa wouldn't exist without FFII
If you put the word "fantasy" in the title of something its understood that there's no fricking space ships and lasers. God I fricking asiatics and weebs.
What if its spelled phantasy? Is it ok then?
>fantasy can only be 1:1 tolkien knockoffs with dwarves and elves or it's not REAL fantasy
>in the title of something its understood that there's no fricking space ships and lasers.
Don't play literally almost any main Might and Magic then you may have a literal heart attack.
>moon stage
>brap music plays
The same as I did then. Anyone making such a claim is a moron.
5 > 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 6
Rydia coming in and owning Golbez is still my favorite return moment in vidya.
I loved the revolving door of party members, made the story progression feel like a real Hero's Journey. Wish more games tried it.
its a fun game (3D version anyway) but the story is fricking moronic
6 > 7 > 4 > 12 > the rest
Tactics > IV > V > III > anal cancer > all the rest
Finished 4 last year and After years just a couple weeks ago. Overall 4 seemed mostly alright but I feel like 5 was better. It has been a really long time since I played 5 though so maybe I just cant remember it all properly. Also the after years was completely unnecessary and kind of a drag to get through. Had alright core combat but just the way the game is structured and the progression felt tedious. Played both games on the psp collection on my vita. Going to play 6 next, and then the 13 trilogy and then 15 then I'm all caught up before 16 comes out.
The moon sucks ass. How is it the LUNAR SURFACE and I can only land on specific parts, making go through a bunch of fricking tunnels just to get to the TWO buildings on it. I know it’s a “dungeon” but it’s still fricking stupid
Kain is a piece of shit
I still have no idea how to use Edward effectively
Awful plot(pic related)
Rosa best girl
Why does Cecil’s brother(who’s name I’m blanking on) lose his giant sprite when he switches sides?
>FF4 when it came out was considered the greatest rpg of all time & a 10/10 masterpiece, how do you feel about it now Ganker?
I revisited it this year to celebrate its 30th anniversary. It still holds up incredibly well and it's still very near and dear to my heart. I also really enjoyed the Pixel Remaster a whole bunch.
I still hold deep, strong, sentiments for this game. There might be better ones these days, but something about this just does it for me.
I think I understand.
Ff4 was great for its time but still rough and severely flawed and they needed more experience to get things right
FF6 was a masterpiece
Been a while since I played it but I remember it being a clusterfrick of a story that felt like one cliche after another. Everything was beyond predictable and I only finished it because leaving a game unfinished triggers me to no end.
One of my favorite games of all time. Unlike VI (which is also among my favorites) it was clear and concise on it's story path and didn't bog you down with things like spell/rage/lore/stat grinding and thus was more receptive to replays.
Also Rydia is my first and only vidya "waifu".
Say something nice about him.
I hated him hitting on MY Rydia back then and I've still haven't forgiven him for that today.
Part of the reason I never played After Years was in case they made Rydia x Edge canon.
Well gee, who else was gonna end up with her? Cecil was always gonna end up with Rosa.
>Part of the reason I never played After Years was in case they made Rydia x Edge canon.
That was one of the most based parts.
Even if it happened when Edge was a 40 years old virgin. But still.
Motherfricker got good taste in women, he's actually kind of a homie, he gets mega buffed in the sequel to be the best character in the game in it, hes a fricking ninja, WWE Edge memes with him, and hes fast.
I haven't played the sequel yet so he finally scired with Rydia and its true that he's one of the best units in the game?
He can heal now, he's less squishy, and he retained all his strengths, infact his actual damage improves because of bands and just in general.
He didn't actually score with Rydia, but the ending basically sets them up since literally everyone, including Rydia's adopted clone baby, is trying to set them up, and it looks like she's willing to go for it finally.
Good
Dude's got style.
4 was really cool, I liked the whole redemption arc theme it had going on. But the moronic part of the story isn’t the moon, it’s half your party dying and returning throughout the game. It happens like six separate times, that or Kain betraying you constantly
Also edgy but truth is the dark knight is infinitely cooler than a paladin
one day I'll replay it, might even touch the sequels everyone hates just to see for myself
>FF4 when it came out was considered the greatest rpg of all time & a 10/10 masterpiece
Only for american consolebabies who didn't know any better
>how do you feel about it now Ganker?
It's ok, I like it much more than Final Bore VI, but not as much as FFV
Yeah bro PC games were lit in 1991.
Yes, they were. Glad we agree.
Reminder that Cecil is a pussy who spends 98% of the game always a step behind and losing the Crystals one after another to Golbez.
It's not until the Giant of Babyl that Cecil has a definitive clear cut win that was not one step forward but two steps backwards.
It was my first FF game, I never grew up with it or anything, just decided to start with it as my first FF since I didn't mind playing older titles.
It's not my favorite of the SNES FFs, That's 5. And there's some stuff in 4 that does come off flawed. But I still like it. I've at least finished it a few times which is more than I can say for a lot of other JRPGs
the ultima series poops on the final fantasy kid
>final fantasy
>15
>15
final
>was considered the greatest rpg of all time & a 10/10 masterpiece,
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It's legendary but I can't help but think the original Phantasy Star is better
Your opinion is the correct one.
Yeah I think I just realized that Phantasy Star is the better franchise.
4 is a solid game and a really good first attempt on the SNES. I think 5 is a lot more fun and 6 has a much better story. 4 is undeniably a classic and really kind of set the standard for the series. Fantasy/Sci-fi stories that delve into incomprehensible, awesome, somewhat nonsensical third acts with memorable and funny characters. 4 also kept the stakes high by having characters that perma-die, like Aerith in 7. It's a classic for sure.
Biggest issue with 4's story is that it doesn't have much perma-deaths. Other than Tellah no other party member actually dies despite the game leading you on that Rydia, the twins, Cid and Yang all potentially die at some point.
Weird thing is that the plot wouldn't even have to be changed much at all if they actually did keep Yang and the twins dead.
It’s okay, distance between save areas is total ass though
It is a masterpiece and it being the goat could have been the case till VI/VII/X
I disliked it. Played through the first time last year (the PSP version). Encounter rate was garbage, soundtrack kinda sucks outside the few stand outs that you get to hear like once or twice during the whole game, story was full of "lol I leave now" moments and hardly any party customization. I guess it's alright for a 1991 game, and it made me appreciate the improvements they made for V and VI. Still my least favorite FF game.
I never liked FFIV that much and I still don't. But I admit that a lot of that is because by the time I played it, I had already played FFIX and it was bundled with Chrono Trigger. And there isn't a game on this fricking planet that gets a fair shake when it's directly compared to Chrono Trigger.
But even looking at it in a vacuum, it's just a mess of ideas that they didn't have the time or technology to fully do justice to at the time. Dungeons are made a pain in the ass by constantly getting stuck with unbalanced parties like in the Antlion's Lair, where you have a DPS that damages himself, a support character with no useful abilities, and a mage with an abysmal MP pool. I really like the idea of some of the characters, like Cecil's redemption physically transforming him, or Rydia literally growing up over the course of the adventure, but the execution is always so minimal that they have about as much weight as the blank slates from FFI and III. I respect that FFIV is responsible for helping the series finally find its feet, but it's not a game I ever want to go back to when I'm in the mood for a classic RPG.
An influential game in terms of the jrpg genre and especially the FF series. 1-3 were fairly generic jrpgs (outside of some of 2s quirkyness), 4 really established what FF would be like going forward. The game has generally been outdone by future games and story is pretty ridiculous (which is maybe a good or bad thing depending on who you are) but it's an undeniably important game
Imma be honest friends, story wise all the fake out deaths really took me out of it. The lack using the party you want at end game really sucked as well (monk > ninja). But otherwise it was ok it's the bar a ff has to pass for me to enjoy it.
Loved it when it came out and after ff6 came out it was my favorite but after I played it like ten times or whatever I've realized in my later days that ff4 is in fact the superior game.
It doesn't have dumb shit like the esper world, the boring veldt sequence, the hour long general leo bullshit. Just so many uninteresting moments of ff6 many of which you don't really even play the game. Meanwhile ff4 is puro gaming kino and stroytelling the whole way through with very few flubbed segments.
The story is moronic and the gameplay is boring
>Character dies except they don't lmao (except the only good one)
>Kain gets mind controlled twice
Golbez and the dragoons have sick designs though
>the world is completely linear, just go to the next place outlined by the story
>constantly locks access to past areas based on story progress
>constantly changes party composition so you cant plan anything, not that there are any interesting mechanics to support that seeing as jobs are gone
>introduced ATB, the worst mechanic that fricked up the series near permanently
FF4 started everything that is wrong with the series, and it's influence caused great degradation to the entire JRPG genre
among the most emotionally meaningful games to me in my life in its time, just a memory now.
haven't played it in probably 28 years. I have a very dark view of later JRPGs and I'm glad I got to play them when they actually mattered at all.
Today, the best JRPG is Genshin Impact.
I honestly don't know how you could have such awful taste
it's almost impressive
>noooooo jrpgs aren't a totally meaningless and deprecated genre after technology advanced
>noooooooooooo atelier whatever is so great!
I think Square generally agrees on the fakeout deaths being pointless since they let you keep the living party members in the GBA port
it's good, but FFIX is basically the same exact plot so it's basically been rendered obsolete
It was pretty good. I think 5 and 6 are better, though.
Also the ending blows ass.
Is this the one that was called FF2 on SNES?
Yes
>FF4 when it came out was considered the greatest rpg of all time & a 10/10 masterpiece
By who?