Venatgays, argue against pic related.
The monkey comparison is from comparing a monkey to a human. The monkey can be considered near human, but it is not human and is only an animal. Note that this is an observation from an outside, objective, and neutral perspective, I do not fault the sundered for fighting against the Ascians just like I wouldn't fault a monkey for trying to fight against a human that is trying to kill it.)
so evil kills Black folk and white women kill people
i see i see
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/showthread.php?p=6173093#post6173093
>Zodiark Trancers are literally, unironically, using Nazi rhetoretic to defend the Ascians now
Oh okay so Genocide is okay when Emet and friends do it, huh? Do these guys have any self-awareness?
That's not what that character actually looks like in the game, right? FF14 couldn't be this based.
It's modded.
No in the game she is a beanpole in a robe, mommygay coomers just have no control
Is Venat's neck abnormally long, or is it just me? I never noticed it until now.
The ancients are made as Elezens with custom heads, so they have the long neck. It's just hidden under their robes during the story.
Sauce
Only unmodded pic of her I could find in my folder real quick now.
Trancers
Can anyone tell me what the frick a zodiark trancer is? I keep seeing you homosexuals spamming this and it sounds really cringe tbqh.
Someone who sees the truth of ffxiv
what the frick does zodiark trance mean?
>Trance (noun) is a state of semi-consciousness in which a person is not self-aware and is either altogether unresponsive to external stimuli or is selectively responsive in following the directions of the person who has induced the trance. Trance states may occur involuntarily and unbidden.
What the frick does Zodiark Trance mean? What is it trying to say. I do not understand this homosexual term.
It's a meme being spammed by a Venatgay who crossposts from the XIV forums and reddit, originating from a cringe fan comic.
Some redditor made a fanfic comic a while back about WoL being mad at Hydaelyn and using Zodiark for a Dreadwyrm Trance sort of thing to fight her.
It was laughably fricking bad and turned into a running joke regarding Venat haters.
SMN has an ability called Dreadwyrm Trance where you basically channel Bahamut through your body to use his abilities.
It's based on a fan comic where the WoL fights Hydaelyn using Zodiark Trance which is the Zodiark version of that.
>IT'S TRANCIN' TIME.
>Zodiark Trancers are literally, unironically, using Nazi rhetoretic to defend the Ascians now
Uh, based???? I can't believe I'm a Trancer now...
Trancers are literally, unironically, using Nazi rhetoretic to defend the Ascians now
Based, I knew zodiarkgays had the moral highground in this loregayging shitfest.
>Oh okay so Genocide is okay when Emet and friends do it, huh?
Yes, because whether Genocide is bad depends on who is being Genocided.
Would you consider it bad if a race of pure evil demonic rapists was genocided?
Considering Emet-Selch created those evil demonic rapists himself in cases like the allagans and the garleans?
It was a theoretical example. In Emet's mind, the nature of sundered beings is like that of subhumans and he is trying to restore his people to their full glory. You're the one who claimed genocide is full stop bad. I am asking you if it would be bad to genocide a race of pure evil demonic rapists.
Instead you're just dodging the question because you understand, however dimly, that obviously killing can be good if that which you are killing is bad.
I was merely questioning your logic on how the ascians were righteous for genociding buttholes when they're responsible for those buttholes existing, but since you're gonna keep with this line of thought, did you just completely forget what we're doing right now in the MSQ?
>I was merely questioning your logic on how the ascians were righteous for genociding buttholes when they're responsible for those buttholes existing
I never asserted that. That is you taking an unrelated theoretical example off in your own direction because you're a moron.
I don't know why I have to spell this out, but the Garleans and Allagans were not a race of pure evil demonic rapists. This comparison is your own invention, and one you're spewing because you know I am correct, but don't want to admit it.
To reiterate, genocide is not full stop bad. It depends on what is being genocided. A race of obviously evil demonic rapist creatures should be genocided. It is an extreme example to illustrate the truth of the underlying philosophy.
Answer the question.
>the Garleans and Allagans were not a race of pure evil demonic rapists
Pretty fricking close if you ask me.
>Answer the question.
It's a false equivalence. Next question.
No one has equated something to anything else, ESL-kun. I have asserted that genocide is not full stop bad, because if you were genociding a race of pure evil demonic rapist creatures, that would be good. The idiot who decided I was talking about Garlean or Allegans (who is probably you) has no idea what he is talking about because I have been very explicit in stating this is a theoretical example.
But anything to dodge the point and pretend you aren't wrong, right?
>Would you consider it bad if a race of pure evil demonic rapists was genocided?
I'm pretty sure someone tried to do this a while ago and he's used as the prime example of "bad person" in modern society.
>In Hydaelyn's mind, genociding her people is like someone on current age genocides Californians.
Sounds pretty based if you think about it like that.
>Would you consider it bad if a race of pure evil demonic rapists was genocided?
Are you fricking moronic?
>post a fricking moronic image with the most childish levels of logic
>Except full rhetoric disproving an imagine made in MSPaint in 5 minutes
yeah nah frick off
Black folk are compared to apes, not that tiny little simian shithead
How do I get rid of two fricking morons in discord who constantly shit on everything XIV does. Literally every single update etc they find something to b***h about and they're this boring couple that do it. Sadly not a mod or I'd kick them but every single update since about 5.0 they've been like this.
they sound based, the game has been in a downward spiral since the influx of wowfugee shadowbabies
>nooooooooo they can't just criticize the game
>ban them ban them!!!
lmao
Most open minded and least authoritarian discord troon
Only since 5.0? I have been shitting on the game since the california move.
>NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE THIS PERFECT GAME EVEN WHEN ITS GAMEPLAY HAS BEEN IN STEEP DECLINE FOR TWO EXPANSIONS NOW!!!
Shadowbaby genocide when?
They're both Humans your inbred frick.
Both sides are fricking moronic.
Omega is kind of boring. Maybe it's because everyone seems to be stuck on Phase 2 still. But even so it definitely should have been Omega vs Shinryu or something.
I can't wait for NA to lose yet another race.
No Shinryu because the gays have to have their Zenos wank off ultimate.
If it was me I would have done Shinryu X Omega Ultimate and then Ivalice Ultimate.
Mainly because I'm getting tired of all the Ultimates being MSQ and Raid Tier every single time.
Yeah, seems like devs forgot we also told minstrel about the warring triad or the four lords trials
I doubt that since we are having a warring triad dream trail right now.
Now that you mention it, how hard will Zurvan filter pf? I'm sure they'll adjust it so skip soar is not doable. I wonder if the "skip soar or disband" memes also were present when this trial was current content.
Zurvan ex shitshows were a big reason why SE started cracking down on toxicity ingame after hw ended. It was really fricking bad.
It wasn't a meme, most PF's had it in their description. Also if you even saw Soar you probably didn't have the DPS to clear the fight.
>I wonder if the "skip soar or disband" memes also were present
Given that nearly EVERY PF had it, then yes. But also 95% of those couldn't skip soar.
Nah you could easily do it if you saw soar.
If you saw Soar, then 2+ people were going to die because they overlapped their circles.
unless you
yknow
practiced the mechanic instead of trying to skip it everytime
There's nothing to practice, there was no indicator for how big the hitbox on the dash was so people didn't move to give the other circle room. That's why people wanted to skip it, because it was such a shit show. Nowadays everything is clocks or the floor has clear markers showing where they want you to stand. Even Thordan EX had a design on the floor showing you the safe spots, and that was way before Zurvan too.
Shadowbaby making shit up
By all means, which part?
Was Zurvan the hardest EX fight or something?
It had a mechanic at like 80% that was annoying and PF couldn't do it. But if your DPS was high enough then it would skip the mechanic. Pretty average Extreme otherwise.
Soar wasn't even that hard, it's literally in the new EX but worse. The part where he covers half the arena and the proteans fire. Eventually they come back from where they end.
This is Soar. Zurvan would shoot off into the 3 solid red directions, then would dash down the center of the room. You had to shove 3 of those huge circle AoEs into each side, but unlike every other fight that exists, there was no indication of how big his hitbox was, so some people would just not fricking adjust when you were given 2 seconds to see the actual AoE sizes. Also he only showed up outside of the field where the red lines are, so if you were on the pink side you pretty much had to go "Oh I think this is where I need to be?" and then die.
The new EX has lines on the ground in the exact position of the clock spots so you know standing between those lines is safe.
Zurvan was a funny fight, not only skipping soar was a thing, there was a mechanic BEFORE soar that also got skipped every single time, and I've only seen it when unsyncing the fight once.
Not even close, MrHappy just managed to infect PF with a meme strat
I like Omega on it's own and the forced rivalry with the stupid Dragon just cheapens both of them respectively in my book.
But yeah it's boring right now, all I see when glancing at any stream of the shitshow is vanilla Omega or ten seconds of the M and F versions before it's back to the beetle again.
Still stoked to see what follows afterwards however.
When did Venkat ”kill" anyone?
Only the ascians have killed people by rejoinings.
God Zodiark freaks are so annoying.
>When did Venkat ”kill" anyone?
Zodiark Trancers have been pushing this idea that the Sundering was "genocide" despite the fact that it's been revealed that it didn't actually kill anyone just devolved them and made them mortal. To justify their argument they cite the dictionairy definition of genocide, wherein they cherry-pick parts of the definition to claim that "well ACKTUALLY despite the fact that the Sundering wasn't death it's TECHNICALLY still genocide because.....uh.....WELL BECAUSE IT JUST IS OKAY?"
No seriously that's their entire argument.
NEVER MIND THE FACT THAT SAID DICTIONARIY DEFINTION STATES, QUOTE: "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. "
"The DELIBERATE killing of a group of people"
Which literally proves their entire argument wrong as Venat did not have the intention to kill anyone ,and she didn't, as the Sundering did not result in actually death. So unless Zodiark Trancers can prove that Venat had specifically GENOCIDAL INTENT then the Sundering does not mean the dictionary definition of genocide.
Please post more please..
>Please post more please..
Fine fine
gosh please tell me she has a big futa wiener
Look very closely under her skirt
dropped
moron
And Venathralls want people to believe they aren't tempered. Lol, lmao even.
I accept your concession.
I accept your waifu's soul annihilation.
You can commit genocide via sterilization, which is not "killing". I'd hold that in the same vein as forcing mortality.
The sundered are the same race as the Ancients, just shorter and less aetherially dense. The alternative was letting them walk down the path of full planetary suicide. The sundering is the opposite of genocide because it forced them to continue on. Trancers will whip around and start saying it's their right to all die out if you confront them with this truth.
NTA but if not for Hermes, the Ancients would just be chilling and grilling, right? There wasn't any conflicts.
No, Hermes literally saved them. The Ancients were already becoming apathetic and running out of creative ideas which is the path the Nibirun went down. They were even already idolizing death by making it such a non issue that they coped themselves into thinking death was their cozy retirement reward after a life of work.
Probably would have ended up like the Ra La dudes or similar.
there was conflict outside but that's just Azem's job I think
>dude isn’t it so beautiful when we commit suicide?
>just kill anything that isn’t useful to the planet LOL
Yeah they’d be totally fine
Isn't that the same tactics trannies use to say they're being genocided right now?
>GENOCIDAL INTENT
I have zero horses in this race because the constant fighting about whether Venat is good or not is pointless, but the Sundering was explicitly genocidal intent as she wanted to end the Ancients as a race and civilization due to perceived flaws in their perspective on life. Genocide also involves sterilization of a people with the intent to cause them to die out once the remaining population passes. By removing their immortality and making it so that no new Ancients as they were before could be born, she committed genocide.
>but the Sundering was explicitly genocidal intent as she wanted to end the Ancients as a race and civilization due to perceived flaws in their perspective on life.
Prove it was her intent. You can't, because at no point anywhere is it stated or even remotely implied. That and you're also simplifying her motive from "wanted to give humanity along with the rest of the universe an actual chance of survival" to "the ancients were just lame poo-poo heads so I killed them".
>wanted to give humanity along with the rest of the universe an actual chance of survival
So why didn't she just straight up tell them about Meteion first? If they decided on some fricked up shit afterwards, sunder their asses
>So why didn't she just straight up tell them about Meteion first? If they decided on some fricked up shit afterwards, sunder their asses
Because none of that fricking mattered because they both wouldn't be able to fricking do anything about it and not just going ahead with the Sundering would mean we and everyone else we know and love, literally the entire future, LITERALLY THE FRICKING GAME ITSELF, would not exist. Her people were moronic Black personhomosexuals overdosed on copium enslaved to their own creation and about to genocide the new life that would otherwise inherit the planet.
The whole "WELL WHY DIDN'T SHE JUST PULL SOME SOLUTION OUT OF HER ASS AND STOP METEION WITHOUT DOING THE SUNDERING" is a moot point because the sundering needs to happen for the fricking game to even exist.
What a moron. I can't believe people try to justify shit writing with 4th wall shit like "The game wouldn't exist if she didn't do that, so she's justified".
if you're this thirsty for an argument then ancients are powerless against dynamis in large enough quantities which means even if they go to ultima thule they just get force-choked and have no way of making ultima thule a solid, explorable place, or even defending themselves adequately
telling them about meteion accomplishes absolutely nothing but makes hermes sperg out and they lose his help in the convocation after a fair amount of time spent talking about how he's critical for the zodiark plan
If Hermes could make a being that can manipulate Dynamis then so can the other numerous scientists. My main problem with the writing is that Venat kept the Ancients in the dark and then judged them for acting irrationally. b***h didn't even give them a fighting chance.
"bro just send another meteion at it" is a deeply, emphatically moronic solution
>and then judged them for acting irrationally
you're the most deluded person to ever read this story if you think they'd do anything but yell that zodiark was still the solution and they needed to keep sacrificing
>Tell them what's happening
>They make another group of Meteion, but actually nurture them and let the experience life instead of being locked up in Elpis
>Send them out to deal with OG Meteion when they feel like they're prepared
It's not like the Ancients were pressed for time after summoning Zodiark anyway. And if that failed she could still sunder them, but at least she gave them a chance to save themselves
>They make another group of Meteion, but actually nurture them and let the experience life instead of being locked up in Elpis
>meteion skullfricks them because she has age, experience, and a borderline limitless wellspring of dynamis power
>possibly even converts them to her hivemind as other entelechies
try again moron
That's pointlessly complicated, just sunder Azem and send 14 copies of him to deal with it.
the most impressive part about every zodiark trancer suggesting they send out meteion 2s to go deal with the problem is that it's exactly what venat did, they're simply asking for everything good in the story to have been done by the ancients instead of modern men
>the most impressive part about every zodiark trancer suggesting they send out meteion 2s to go deal with the problem is that it's exactly what venat did,
That's the point. The plan that was actually done is the plan that everyone suggests they should have done, just without 12,000 years of obfuscation.
suggesting that they just keep creating to get out of a mess started by creating is so wildly fricking stupid that nobody should have even responded to you
>hey're simply asking for everything good in the story to have been done by the ancients instead of modern men
That would be an infinitelly better game that makes sense in light of events that happen in Endwalker, yes.
One could even picture a Gmod gamemode that adapts the idea.
you're a lot funnier in your head
I am a lot funnier than you'll ever be and I also happen to be in the right.
>but actually nurture them and let the experience life instead of being locked up in Elpis
How can the ancients teach nu-Meteion that when they don't do it themselves?
>wanted to give humanity along with the rest of the universe an actual chance of survival
If she wanted to do that, she wouldn't have kept quiet. She kept quiet so this wasn't her actual motivation.
>the ancients were just lame poo-poo heads so I killed them
This on the other hand was.
>Prove it was her intent.
???
Were do you find statics? I think clearing Abyssos in PF finaly broke me this week and I'd like to eventually do the Ultimate.
I just think I'm not really that good of a Monk.
Next Ultimate is probably Shinryu, Tsukuyomi, and Zenos, but really it should be Warring Triad + Kefka. Save Zenos for later so they can include Reaper Zenos too, with Endsinger just being an afterthought phase just like how Extreme was. Alternatively they can save Hades and WoL for Zodiark and Hydaelyn Ultimate. Then there's Eden but that's pretty obvious in how they'll structure it.
Mommy told me to walk so I walked.
I Xenosys the Assmongo of FFXIV?
>The monkey comparison is from comparing a monkey to a human.
>The monkey can be considered near human,
Why?
Qualify this statement. A monkey is not a human in any way.
>but it is not human and is only an animal.
You have disproven your own point.
>Note that this is an observation from an outside, objective, and neutral perspective, I do not fault the sundered for fighting against the Ascians just like I wouldn't fault a monkey for trying to fight against a human that is trying to kill it.)
What do sundered characters in a fictional fantasy world of various different races have to do with monkeys though? Why not bananas, or sound waves, or balls of yarn? What a random thing to compare something to.
https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/2023/Valentiones_Day/6ahu1ryjqv
Venatsisters... Zodiarkbros...
The female outfit looks like some Animal Crossing template shit.
>remove genderlocks from previous years' val event
>it's genderlocked again
Frick you yoshi why is male glam always the best looking one REEEE
then play a fricking male character you coomer troony, holy shit??? it's not that difficult
Nay, I shall continue to indulge myself with casting my piercing gaze onto attractive women. Also upper-booba harness is the sexiest thing mankind has ever came up with.
That's dumb. The WoL being a loose catgirl is always stupid.
Play a guy and indulge in a harem of hot girls wanting your character.
>That's dumb. The WoL being a loose catgirl is always stupid.
Based, my bro-
>Play a guy-
Yea-
>-and indulge in a harem of hot girls wanting your character.
Disgusting.
WoL doesn't seem like he can manage a harem, he needs a single bride to love and treasure!!!
I wholeheartedly agree
I agree.
I shall.
>Play a guy
Make the majority of armor not dresses and we got a deal. I been wearing the same mage robes since HW
I thought they did away with male/female?
Or do I still only allowed to pick one so that they can sell me the second a year later?
Can't you get both from the calamity guy?
Ye
I hate this game's obsession with butt capes but looking at that shirt I can see why they do it
Why didn't she try to find a different way? We literally told her what happens in the future but she did exactly that. She didn't even try to save Emet from his fate?
t. newbie
They explained it quickly in a kind of hand-wavy way. Essentially, Hermes is invaluable to stopping the Final Days from destroying the world outright the first time around. Right before you get sent back to the future, Venat says that if she tells the entirety of the Convocation what happens, Hermes (Fandaniel) might switch sides again, and the world would be doomed. If she tries to tell everyone BUT Hermes (Fandaniel), then the Convocation turning on Hermes or him punished for his actions means he wouldn't have the resources/support he'd otherwise have for forestalling the Final Days, meaning the world could be doomed.
So, Venat just concludes that letting things play out the way they did was simply the best option they had.
>muh singleplayer "MMO" moviegame story
I don't care.
Guys that one anon doesn't care, we should stop discussing this any further.
Even Hades didn't actually believe that
They literally can't.
Ascian cope.
My mom will always love me and she'll never love you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oedipus_complex
I fricking love that cat
Ancients were not full humans
>Get Rank 12 Sanctuary a few days ago
>Only now check the quest you get from it
Yep, that was a mistake not to check it sooner. Thank you Yoshi, I truly appreciate more Azim Steppe content.
The sundering gave me Lalafellin women to lust over therefore it was justifief
>Venat is responsible for the existence of mhiggers, lalas, and hrothgar
Hail Zodiark.
Cactbot is updated for TOP you can play now.
>killing seven planets full of life and planning to kill another, and then kill the majority of life on yet another
VS.
>clipping the wings of a civilisation of demigods high on their own farts to ground them and force them to grasp the reality of pain being an intrinsic part of living, creating the aforementioned planets in the process
Only one of these actually involves genocide.
Venat invented rape.
>Mfw cant be a pirates sex slave
IT'S TIME
(OPTION TO HIDE OTHER PLAYERS' GLAMOUR)
give me option to undress other players thx
The Bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame.
>>>/vg/
what jobs are fun for pvp
monk but you have to get good
QRD? Most of the mnks I see in CC suck. (BRD)
Thought process of a MNKey is that they're frontline fighters but they lack mitigation. Easy to pick off but if one catches you out it can drop you down to 10% health. Bard is fun because of the on demand silence.
Ok so it's more of a "I target this one because they are alone and destroy them"?
Pretty much yes, your job as a monk is to pick someone on the enemy team and make their game miserable.
Are the previous pvp season passes still available?
Yea. Its great to catch someone out in the open and piledrive them to the next life.
I usually dogpile the healer for a stun then get out before they can target me.
I usually try to stun them, walk around them and then Enlightenment them into the team. It's a good initiator.
Phantom Rush can be comboed for ~40k damage
Stupid amounts of mobility with Thunderclap
Meteodrive has a lower cooldown than most other LBs and when comboed can do almost 50k damage. You can literally one shot most ranged DPS or healer jobs from 100% when your LB is up.
>they lack mitigation
lol
Thanks, I will give mnk a try on CC. I want the gearset but I get too tired of BRD only...
READ your skill descriptions. So many monk players in CC are shit because you HAVE to combo your attacks and they don't know how to do that. Only ever use Pheonix Rising with Phantom Rush and Enlightenment, and use Enlightenment before your Phantom Rushes or Meteodrives. Also your Thunderclap gives you a 6k damage shield, and make sure to activate Riddle of Earth before you dive in and remember to activate it again before it expires.
Happy hunting
The enlightenment -> meteodrive thing feels unintended and it looks janky as frick.
It's supposed to look cool as frick but because of server ticks and shit netcode, it looks jank. If you were to just Meteodrive a standing target without using Enlightenment, you do a cool air combo animation and your target gets constantly kicked into the air and shit. I dunno why they made it this way.
Why do I never see MNKs doing more than 500k damage even when they're good?
They don't have a ton of strong AOE that pads their damage, but they're good at killing a single target. Like SMN and SCH can top damage without much effort but a lot of it is just padding that is undone by a single recuperate.
Monk has shit "dps" but extremely high burst. Between your phantom rushes you have to do 6 shitty GCDs that do a measly 3-6k damage each, but once you do your Phantom Rush you can burst around 40k damage at once. Outside of Phantom Rush and Phoenix Rising, monk also doesn't have much AOE damage. As a result you'll usually see even good monks have mediocre damage in the end screen but with lots of KOs.
What I want to know is why MNKs have such a fricking hardon for me when I'm playing NIN. Every fricking time I see an MNK with their LB it's getting used on me. I have to spend three mudra on Huton any time there's a MNK nearby and they have LB because I know they're going to use it on me. Obnoxious fricking mhigger job tbh, probably just jealous that we can kill without our LB even after multiple nerfs.
> probably just jealous that we can kill without our LB even after multiple nerfs.
that or probably they salty because the nadi mechanic gets described as "ninja mundra ripoff"
>just jealous that we can kill without our LB even after multiple nerfs
Not jealous but good ninjas are scary as frick for that reason. You can't even run away because they have shukuchi and act like some kind of ranged hybrid.
>Every fricking time I see an MNK with their LB it's getting used on me
Cause the only thing more obnoxious than a monk is a ninja tbhfamalam
>playing as a female
Troon.
Tanks are really fun if you know how to play it safe while soaking up cooldowns and generally being an annoying homosexual.
Aside from that I love how hard BLM can absolutely dick over an entire team with it's limit break if they have the audacity to let you land a few spells.
BLM is stupid in PvP I love it.
Isn't BLM just Ice spam
Literally all of them, it's great.
Yugiri
>Venatgays, argue
Barely 2 words in and you already failed. Hydaelyngays have been on an indefensible ground since Shadowbringers dropped and this has never stopped them from making up fanfiction and acting like it's the way things have happened.
I don't fricking wanna do the new raid but I have to for gear because I rotate between like 8 jobs
Alliance raid that is, for the tokens
I wish I could kill Memet Selch again.
What a horrible written character.
I hated that he appeared again in EW... disgusting fujo-fanservice...
even worse.
my character pretended that he had any kind of sympathy for this piece of shit by reaching the hand out to him and the end.
WoL was more pissed at Gaius for showing up in Ala Mhigo than he was at Emet-Selch for being the reason why he did all that shit to begin with.
>Muh hecking dindu nuffin mommy
>Only plan was to murder everyone then make a moon space ship that was never used
Actually and unironically Venat/Hydaelyn was pretty based murdering every pompus, self-righteous and "all-knowing" pathetic Ancient...
My condolences...
>Venat in G'raha's original timeline
No its more like
>A small group of the full humans conspire to enter a cult to kill nearly all of their population (more eventually) with the promise of bringing them back later
>Good lady strips them of their powers by turning them into monkeys, forcing them to come to a new decision about how to prevent the catastrophe
>the only reason the catastrophe didn't happen after they became monkeys was because Zodiark was still around
Venat literally didn't accomplish a single thing
Zodiark isn't actively shielding the planet while hes in stasis on the moon. The catastrophe happens gradually over time in waves. The Ascians sealed their own fates with their own powers making the situation worse.
dumb Black person when you kill zodiark you literally unlash the final days on the world. He was shielding it.
Haha, yes! I, too, haven't played Endwalker and am merely using Ganker shitposts as basis for my imaginary version of EW story. Keep on rocking, fellow Venatbro!
Damn if only Venat told them about the bird so they could have made a dynamis shield instead of an aether one
>B-but they can't use dynamis because we said so
They can make things that can make dynamis
>They can make things that can make dynamis
N-no! They can't! What's that? They made Meteion? Well uh only one guy made Meteion on this planet of autistic scientist wizards, there's no way they could ever reproduce or improve this idea.
Lahabreah literally made another dude but with all his emotions.
Which one do you want, the limit break webm or the meteion picture?
Ancients could not listen to reason and were going with the Zodiark plan. We don't really know if Venat told them about the bird or not
They went with the Zodiark plan because they werre caught off guard and had to think of a rudimentary plan immediately. Obviously they would have gone with something else given tens of thousands of years of prep time and information.
>We don't really know if Venat told them about the bird or not
She didn't, if she did, it would have been shown.
>Ancients could not listen to reason and were going with the Zodiark plan
Zodiark plan WAS the only reasonable option in comparison to Venat's "Just roll over and let 3/4ths of the planet population rot inside a giant primal, Lives of animals, plants and magic crystals are infinitely more important".
It's so fricking stupid how anons always say "b-b-but Venat tried to tell them to not go with Zodiark plan and they didn't listen"
The dumb b***h could've tell them about the sad bird at the otherside of the universe and they would've listen and figure out what to do but she decided to just genocide the entire world.
>She didn't, if she did, it would have been shown.
We actually don't know. How hard are you gonna backtrack if it turns out that people were told in either of the raid series?
The Zodiark plan only unintentionally worked because the ancients had no idea what they were doing and were willing to just frick up the planet and then have the society die off.
>We actually don't know.
We do know. it wasn't shown, it didn't happen.
Everything else is a cope. Fanfiction. Make believe. Shit that didn't actually happen and exists only in your head.
>We do know.
Proof?
There's not a single line of dialogue in any localization, not a single image even implying that she tried telling the convocation about what she knew, nothing.
>inb4 proofs
The burden of proof is now on you, shitheel.
Still waiting on proof
Yeah anon let's make a shield out of the thing that specifically turned against us, the thing be barely understand im the first place, rhe thing we have such little capacity to use that we didn't even tell the ruling government about because it was believed to be so utterly unimportant that nobody except one depressed autist actually qorked with the stuff let's suddenly jump right into making a shield with that. That sirely won't fail or backfire.
>Make new creature that can use dynamis.
>Tell it to go stop Meteion's dynamis frickyoubeams.
>Goes towards them, gets hit by one.
>Immediately turns around and fricks you up instead.
Good idea jackass.
Who said anything about going toward them? Make a dynamis bubble around the planet.
>Who said anything about going towards them, they just need to stand in it's path and take the full brunt of it?
homie.
>Make Dynamis bubble around the planet
>Endsinger's call warps Dynamis
Think very hard on this
It didnt warp the Scion's dynamis. You're telling me some guy is stronger than any barrier the entire Ascian race could make?
The only thing "the entire Ascian race" can make is just create Meteion 2.0 and hope when exposed to the exact same energies that turned the first Meteion evil it just... doesn't.
The Endsinger's yeah probably, that's why the Aether bubble worked because it blocked that shit out
>simple
Okay lets cut to the chase with both of you:
Dynamis was not simple or well known to them at all.
Zodiark was not "simple" either and required a lot of sacrifice.
A Dynamis bubble would be potentially risky and highly volatile considering how it works and Ensinger's exposure + not everyone is the stone cold WoL.
Also refer to the first point.
>A Dynamis bubble would be potentially risky and highly volatile considering how it works and Ensinger's exposure
As opposed to aether bubble which they had absolutely no way of knowing would even work because they had no idea what they were fighting against or what they were defending themselves from.
It's a moot point because everything boils down to Venat not communicating the most important piece of information for no fricking reason whatsoever.
>As opposed to aether bubble which they had absolutely no way of knowing would even work because they had no idea what they were fighting against or what they were defending themselves from.
It worked.
I get it that you are terminally moronic and can't follow a basic conversation but that wasn't the point.
It's the point that matters, don't project your self-hatred onto me.
No. It's not the point that matters, it's something completely unrelated to the discussion you braindead animal. This is the last (You) you are getting, I'm not wasting time discussing awful mmo story with an idiot who has can follow a conversation no better than a 6 year old child.
>who has can follow a conversation no better than a 6 year old child.
Malding so hard you mistype, kek.
You don't get it, you're getting seething mad like a child for no reason. You sure you can't follow a simple discussion? You're a child and pathetic. The aether WORKED, "It worked" because it prevented Dynamis exposure. It didn't mean their method was GOOD, it means it was likely safer than if they could somehow drown themselves in Dynamis over who knows how long with unkown results but you are a child who can't even entertain any other thought than resorting to ranting and frothing at the mouth.
And it just led the ancients to a dead civilization
Yes we know.
Aether DROWNS out dynamis, the entire reason that they were even effected by meteion is because something was causing the atherial currents of the planet to stagnate and corrode.
Letting her pierce the veil and effect their magicks.
Like did you even play the game?
Wait, that wasn't Meteion's doing?
I thought that was implied.
No, we never knew what the cause was for the current eroding, it had been eroding before the final days and was a pressing issue for the convocation.
Because the scions had AETHER dumb homosexual. Beings of pure dynamis were going to get SHITFRICKED by meteion regardless. Also meteion didn't HAVE aether if I recall, she was a being of pure dynamis which is what made her so susceptible to despair.
Because of the hardships they'd endured that strengthened their resolve, literally the entire reason Venat sundered humanity you speedreadr.
Make a shield that's stronger than Meteion, simple.
Every moment ancients spent working on Zodiark and Zodiark shield plan could have been spent on working out a method to take down Meteion and thus save impossible to count number of lives, not only on the planet but in the entire universe. All if only Venat opened her prostitute mouth.
>Make a shield that's stronger than Meteion, simple
>simple
You disgust me.
You got defeated and now you are mad.
Do something better with your life and stop posting in this thread.
Wouldn't there be an issue with it warping? At this point their creation magics were getting fricked because of Dynamis, their only option was to make something so dense in Aether that it wouldn't be warped by Dynamis corruption.
The aspect that counteracts Dynamis negativity is Dynamis positivity, as we see in the final part of Endwalker. The only issue is that Ascian creation magic can't make something with a designed will or mentality, otherwise why would they intentionally make hyper aggressive kill monsters?
Based Venat be like: Black folk, reject society, return to monke!
>Turn everyone into monkeys
>Favorite monkey gets killed in a gas attack
>
I'm gonna get full crit+spell speed, 2.26s is not enough
Race for this feel?
>AIshit
you'll perish like a dog, artgay.
Help me decide between GNB, DRG, and SAM
Why isn't the TOP race exciting? DSR was way more hype in comparison.
DSR was the first ultimate in 2 years and coming off the back of an expansion AND was also about highly hyped MSQ fights with lots of build up. Omega lacks all of that.
WALK
>You don't understand, dynamis is weak against endsinger, that's why we had to make demi-humans that could use dynamis
ancients who don't even know how to manipulate dynamis vs demi-humans who became strong as frick and have killed gods due to their innate usage of dynamis
the answer seems pretty obvious to me
What demi humans in plural moron-kun. We're literally the only strong human who was able to do that in the whole world. We literally won by the power of the script.
>forgetting the scions who figured out how to use their emotions to shape the entire final zone, gave us the massive power boost and also canonically killed Venat with us
demi humans
No one figure out nothing, Black person-kun. They had super vague information about it until ultra god protagonist used the power of script to go back in time and got lecture by literally Hermes (who at the end was on the ancients side so he could also teach them about dynamis) on how it worked. He then came back with the information and everyone was like "yeah that's how it worked. See guys? i told you it was about emotions and shit.
lmao
>No one figure out nothing
lol
go back to the official forums
I accept your concession
>Ganker
>Twitter 2: Bad takes edition
zodiark trancers... Why are devs treating us like morons in these patch quests...
Ya know if rather deal with the lala posters than speedreaders trolling lore autists
Story discussion > /vg/ tier shit
It's not discussion. It's a troll copypasting bullshit and getting massive (you)s. Attentiingays wish they could get zodiarktrancer numbers
Did not mean to add the second link. Sorry 625469759
Venat didn't tell the Convocation because Hermes was on it, and there was a chance he'd side with Meteion again and either off himself or turn against the Convocation.
As Hermes was the leading mind on Dynamis in the first place, it was important to have him around in order to study the effect Meteion was having in order to develop a countermeasure.
To risk that advantage would be to risk the entire planet.
I mean going even further than this, she know WoL was from the future. Even if she told the ancients it wasn't gurantee'd that they could stop meteion.
But the future shards were still around and had a chance.
>I'm going to doom my civilization and then kill all the survivors because the alternative is someone just as unhinged and evil as me dooming my civilization and then killing all the survivors
>I'm gonna split my civilization so they can survive and their descendants can stop their disaster
Damn when it's put this way... did Venat even do anything wrong? Seems reasonable fr fr
Shitposting aside.
It's not their descendands. Ancients have no legacy remaining after the sundering. On top of that, Venat was autistic about erasing and keeping secret everything about ancient history.
She killed everyone so completely unrelated people who had no chance at surviving against Meteion whatsoever be killed by Ascians over and over until her time traveling autistic buddy fixes everything.
All the while she had all the knowledge necessary to just solve the problem minutes after WoL told her what was going to happen.
>It's not their descendands
It's explicitly their descendants, as shown in the game
They aren't even the same species, you mong.
Devolved animals that Venat created aren't ancients descendands.
>as shown in the game
The game you clearly haven't played.
how much copium are you on to deny the current society being descendants of the ancients
WoL beat both Emet, Elidibus, and the Endsinger.
Emet represented the Ancients.
Elidibus repreaened Zodiark.
WoL is a product of Venat.
Therefore, Venat's plan was superior to that of the Ancients by right of supreme victory.
Her plan failed. We literally got saved by fujo catboy
Fool that you are, fujo catboy hopping through time with Alexander was part of the plan to begin with.
So in top of genocide her whole race she also doomed an entire timeline?
Entire universe in that timeline*
There's no reason to believe there will be anyone capable of stopping Meteion if no unmentioned space civilization has done it inbetween the Sundering and EW events.
Venat is a monumental frick up.
Ironically it's the ancients genociding their own race as they gas their descendants
The ancients only retailate to Venat tho and try to reclaim what she took from them.
>what she took from them.
A failed and declining society?
>killing your descendants is okay 🙂
damn murder is okay
>a Black person enters your house and kills your whole family
>you kill the Black person
>woah dude killing is bad why you did that
lol dumbass
>ancients killing bad >:(
>mommy killing good 🙂
Yes, that's literally what the venatgay argument boils down to. It's silly how long it takes people to clue into this.
who did Venat kill 🙂
azem
>Ironically it's the ancients genociding their own race as they gas their descendants
They aren't their descendants, the hell are you on about
>They aren't their descendants
Anon...
They literally aren't. By every definition of the word.
They quite literally are
>He doesn't know about Abyssea
Woe be upon you, for Alexander will provide.
Her plan dooms everyone in G'raha's timeline and it's the one thing she had zero control over.
Her "plan" works out through plot convenience and because plot actually has to happen, not because it makes any sense.
If you say so, moron
>I can't argue back anymore, but my pride doesn't allow me to just agree
You were better off posting nothing rather than admitting you are this mad.
I'm not the one seething tbh
>n-no u
>Her plan dooms everyone in G'raha's timeline
As I recall, Midgardsormr woke up to guide and protect the survivors of the Calamity.
You know, the big alien dragon who Hydaelyn had made a mysrerious pact with?
He lost his planet to one (1) Omega. G'raha's timeline is fricked the second damn daniel gets up to his usual tricks there.
>He lost his planet to one (1) Omega
Do Stigma Dreamscape, buttlicker.
And what the frick is he going to do against the Ascians that have free reign to ass frick everyone now?
>What dost thou see at dream's end?
>I see a world pulled back from the brink.
>is someone just as unhinged and evil as me
>Venat didn't tell the Convocation because Hermes was on it, and there was a chance he'd side with Meteion
>my headcannon
Also she saw Hermes wiped his mind alongside the other two gays.
>Hermes hears Meteion's report
>Immediately sides with her
>But he totally wouldn't do it again if he heard that she was still alive and listened to the details again
Hermes decided by HIS OWN WILL to side witht he ancients. Have you played the game dude?
>to side witht he ancients.
AFTER SPECIFICALLY LETTING METEION FLEE, YOU FRICKING IMBECILE
Can you follow the reply chain? You started by saying Venat was afraid that Hermes is by metion side and that's why she didn't tell them nothing and WITH PROOF i'm telling you that Hermes by HIS OWN WILL sided with the ancients at the end. That's the whole reason why he wiped his mind. So even after that he still will be sided with the ancients even if metion talks to him again he fricking chose to side with them as his own test.
It's the modern, secular moral concept of "punching down vs punching up."
It's immoral to prevent inferiors from proliferating and taking over. It's immoral to want a world that substantiates its aspirations with action. It's immoral to prevent a long glide into dystopia.
IT'S OVER
OURGUY HAS CONFIRMED IT: FORSPOKEN HAS A BETTER STORY THAN ENDWALKER
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/453754-What-s-the-point-with-that-quite-lackluster-story-in-Endwalker/page775
I am now certain beyond any shadow of a doubt that Aveyond is Barry.
the guy is a troll that unironically has a discord server that "raids" the forums
Aveyond posts bait, his cronies agree, and when someone disagrees they try to rile them up to get them to sperg out to mass report them and get them banned
>the guy is a troll that unironically has a discord server that "raids" the forums
>Aveyond posts bait, his cronies agree, and when someone disagrees they try to rile them up to get them to sperg out to mass report them and get them banned
This
Fortunately the users over on the forums have finally started to wisen up to their homosexualry. I have no idea how they haven't been banned by now, honestly.
Wild considering the OF ban you for sneezing the wrong direction.
>Wild considering the OF ban you for sneezing the wrong direction.
Some conspiracy theorists have argued that the FFXIV forum mods themselves are the ones doing the trolling. Wierd things have happened like an ancient account created in 2011 and making zero posts until just last year only to immediately begin making nothing but blatant bait posts and then going dark after a bunch of people got successfully baited and banned for losing their cool on them have happened.
The mods consistenly let the trolls get away with the most heinous behavior towards other users but ban people responding to them in kind. There are obviously human moderators or else it wouldn't only be certain people getting banned, they should be able to see the behavior of these people are realize they're violating the rules and banhammer them already. They seem to suspiciously instead turn a blind eye to their behavior. It's very bizarre.
But then again, nobody actually knows who the mods even are. SE gutted the original mod team 5 years ago IIRC and hired some dubious "third party" company. Who knows what they actually mean by that, it could be they just put put a job posting on backpage for some forum mods and did absolutely zero vetting on them before hiring them, and ended up hiring a bunch of discord homosexuals who are letting the forums turn to shit for their amusement knowing nothing will be done about it because SE doesn't give a shit about the EN side of their playerbase.
>note that my opinion is objective
Lmao.
It is and you have to prove otherwise. Also, I get to decide what counts and what doesn't. Good luck
Why should I care about your headcanon?
Reminder that Venat is a moron that had to have her nonsensical plan salvaged by a homosexual fanboy catboy
How would I go about modding the game to take screenshots of my character banging Alisaie?
All I know is that the Twins have a unique skeleton, so people usually download a mod that turns a helmet into Alisaie's head and go from there
Probably a whole days worth of learning and actually trying to implement. Or just taking the low effort easy route and putting her head on someone else.
just pose them in Anam
Why is one cheek bigger than the other?
No guys you don't get it!
>*creates another creature for shits and giggles then has to put it down*
The ancients were...
>*another research facility gets slaughtered by escaped experiments*
...a completely utopic civilization...
>*culture gives birth to Hermes, Lahabrea, Athena*
...the likes of which was vastly superior to the sundered beings!
>*gives a child Alzheimer's so he can turn into a supercomputer*
And at no point...
>*leaves a separate, less advanced but just as aetherically dense civilization to die to a volcano*
...did they ever mean to use...
>*tries to push legal charges against Azem for daring to help them*
...anything but cattle and plants to revive their people!
>*rejoins seven shards causing untold billions of deaths of sapient and intelligent people*
It was all Venat's fault...
>*accuses her of genocide*
...that our people are DEAD...
>*even though the civilizations left after the Sundering knew the full story and left behind ruins and murals explaining it to pass down the information to future generations*
...it was ALL HER FAULT!!
>*until the Ascians killed them and the information got lost after several civilizations got genocided in quick succession*
blessed post
>leaves a separate, less advanced but just as aetherically dense civilization to die to a volcano
Huh? They helped evacuate the people on the Island though
They left their home to be destroyed and when asked for any help that they could have easily given, they said "no lol". You know that shit we're dealing with in the patches right now about how the garleans don't want to just abandon their culture and homeland?
I mean yeah, the eruption was a natural part of the ecosystem, why would they want to frick with it?
>Saying this
>When protocarbuncle exists
lol
The "Sanctity of the Star" was a high point in their culture and the eruption was a natural event. So again I ask, why would they frick with the Star just to save some easily relocatable people's huts?
Dunno, why would they frick with the star for shits and giggles like they were doing?
What, you mean the crazy scientists? They do that sort of thing, yes
I mean all the scientists in Elpis that were designing creatures to alter and create new ecosystems, plus every Amaurotian citizien that would send them concepts to add to it.
I guess the "sanctity of the star" stops mattering once I get a cool new shark idea?
The entire concept of Elpis is too make sure the random shit they make won't frick up the ecosystem you moron.
Ok, so WHY are they making random shit? Do they not trust the star to work by itself? Do they think they can do better?
Are you just being moronic on purpose? The whole point is to make something that could contribute to the star and Elpis is make sure random creations don't get dumped into the wild. Moron.
>The Sanctity of the Star is incredibly important, we can't change anything at all not even to save a different culture, even though the alternative is just a pile of magma.
>I'm totally gonna add more species to it though, it's cool right? I mean, I'm me, and I'm great, so I know what the Star totally needs.
Did this simple discussion mind break you? Why do assume that existence of Elpis means the Ancients should go out of there way to stop a natural disaster when the residents can simply be evacuated?
I'm gonna give it to you in veeeeeery easy terms so that you can understand it, since I see you're pretty slow to get things.
Ancients according to you > Think the Sanctity of the Star means they shouldn't interfere with the ecosystem at all.
Elpis' purpose > Creating new species to throw into the wilderness so they can get added to the ecosystem.
Ancients > Altering the ecosystem despite what they say.
It's ok bro, they ran tests to prove they would adapt! Just ignore that half the concepts are made silly on purpose, like making way more shark species than needed because it's funny, or that a lot of them have to be erased because they were a blatantly bad idea like "superpredator murderwolves that kill everything in sight", or that the researchers are shown as being excessively lax when deciding what passes and what doesn! That won't affect the "Sanctity of the Star" at all!
Okay and again, why do you think that just because Elpis exists they should be inclined to stop a natural disaster?
Because they're tremendous hypocrites that don't actually give a shit about the Sanctity of the Star or any other stupid shit they came up with. They just want to look high and mighty while letting people suffer unnecesarily, even when it would be little to no effort for them to help.
How is exactly relocating is relocating when creation magic exists constitutes as suffering?
Wipe the tears off your eyes and try again.
Except that the 'Sanctity of the star' is shown to go out the window when it pertains to them. They had no knowledge of Meteion, for all they knew their creation magics were unraveling naturally, yet they went against nature to stop it.
>Sanctity of the star
>Make a bunch of eldritch creatures whose only purpose is to alter the ecosystem through fricked up means usually by being apex predators
>Instead of just offing them when they're revealed to be dangerous put them in some fricked up gothic detainment research center.
>Sanctity of the star
>just offing them when they're revealed to be dangerous
Yeah I'm thinking i'm gonna do a little genocide now.
>Have the power to avoid a natural catastrophe in a way that is safe to undergo
>Don't, because ???
Why would you want to cure a disease? Why would you stop eating poisoned mushrooms? Why would you invent medicine? All part of the ecosystem bro. The ecosystem that the ancients were completely redesigning for fun and to fit their view of the world btw.
>Venatgay lying through his teeth and making up wild imaginary scenarios that don't take place in story?
>Surely not in my xiv thread!
You mean ancientgay
No, I explicitly meant venatgay, a vile type of rat plaguing these threads ever since EW dropped.
post Gaia
How the frick would Venat know anything about G'raha's timeline and factor it in her plans, we don't even know about it in-universe. We as players know because there's a fricking lodestone story outside the game saying they didn't disappear. Nobody inside the actual game knows about it.
Why do people always ignore that Elidibus killed more "full humans" than Venat ever did? Motherfricker, along with the Convocation, sacrficied three-fourths of the Ascian population.
NOOOO IT WAS COMPLETELY NECESSARY
>These people made a massive volountary sacrifice because the alternative was a total extinction of all life on the planet?
>Those evil fricking bastards, how dare they!
>No, shut up, I don't want to hear that Venat could have just told them what was happening and prevent the need for 2 massive sacrifices in the first place
she told them the right answer and they told her to frick off and let them keep shitting in their diapers. it wasn't until that point when she rightly decided that WoL deserved to live more than any of them
>Die, cope and seethe LOL :3
>Frick off moron
>wtf how those chuds dare *sunders the planet*
damn, I've been convinced Venat's in the right now. Thank you anon.
possessing the ability to cope was the only thing that let us defeat Meteion you fricking moron. Ancients were too fricking stupid and unevolved to live. Venat was an exception
>possessing the ability to cope was the only thing that let us defeat Meteion you fricking moron.
No, that's dynamis. Something ancients could do as well.
>Something ancients could do as well.
wrong tbh
>So anally devastated he had to deliberately ignore the webm to preserve his fragile world view
Don't cry yourself to sleep tonight, anon. Surely you'll do better in the next thread.
bruh I'm not sure if you noticed but that party isn't comprised entirely of ancients
Yeah, it's 1/4th pure b***h that just got demolished on the internet.
Fanfiction. Join your sissified buddy in the b***h baby corner.
You fool, that's Venat's concealed carry railgun.
no, it was literally the indomitable human spirit that made the only difference. that's why the doomer civilizations got obliterated through the power of dynamis and we didn't.
>no, it was literally the indomitable human spirit that made the only difference
No, it was just dynamis.
If "indomitable human spirit" was ever a factor, Azem would have just rolled over Meteion 12000 years before events of 2.0 happen.
Azem was a homosexual Ancient just like everyone else, not a human
The Ktsis limit breaks are aether.
Reminder that the stuff you do in LBs isn't wholly unique to Dynamis. Shatotto waa casting Meteor to level GSM without using Dynamis.
Not a single Limit Break uses dynamis to do it's thing.
It's all aether, always has been.
This is the part where you bring up Meteion's throw away line that doesn't make any sense and I remind you that nothing past 5.3 is canon and WoL is in a blissful cutscene limbo chasing after Alisae with the rest of scions who ran off to fight monsters
>nothing past 5.3 is canon and WoL is in a blissful cutscene limbo chasing after Alisae with the rest of scions who ran off to fight monsters
How I wish this were true.
So that's why Emet yells "ALL MY AETHER" when he LB's. Makes sense.
He hasn't been updated on the EW limit break retcon yet, please understand.
In that same dungeon in EW?
Yes.
Someone post that ktisis limit break gif
We never get to see what she even told them. To kill themselves for the good of the planet or what?
she told them to stop killing everyone to try to get back to le good old days and be stronger for the future. you do see what she said. theres a fricking cutscene
That's not telling them the right answer, dumb frick.
>bros stop killing everyone
>then what to do we do? Do you have vital information you gotta tell us?
>no. just let this shit kill us all trust me bro
it was the right answer.
if someone tells you 1+1 is 2 and you don't believe it because you're a mental moron, its still the right answer.
she didn't have all the information to be able to explain everything anyway. she didn't know about UT or the full extent of what ended up happening with Metetion either. Ancients were so underevolved anyway she really had no chance anyway. Hermes was like 1% more empathetic than the entire rest of his race and had an existential meltdown over it because there was literally no one that could relate. They were such a stupid fricking race that needed to die regardless
>there was literally no one that could relate
Lahabrea and his son is the living proof that all ancients weren't the same
Also no that's not the right answer. It's like saying someone that jesus christ is coming in like a week bro just trust me and not elaborate of course they gonna think you're crazy if you don't fricking explain yourself
people thinking you're crazy doesn't change if the answer is correct or not you fricking moron. wol and company were able to defeat meteion by doing what Venat told the Ancients to do. it was the right thing. the fact that they didn't and couldn't do it is because they were too stupid to live.
moron-kun. Venat plan was completly flawed and the doomed timeline is a proof of that. We literally won because 100% us. The stupid b***h didn't even tell us the whole truth. Her plan was literally "lmao i'm right all of you are wrong let me nuke this shit and i hope the next idiots know what they're doing". After that we just won by the power of friendship and because we're crazy powerful for no reason.
No you stupid homosexual, what Venat said wasn't correct because she said it was correct because IT WAS THE FRICKING WAY TO STOP METEION. BEING SCARED, SHIT ON, DEFEATED AND STILL PERSEVERING INSTEAD OF STICKING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND AND GIVING UP.
EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER IN UT GIVES A FRICKING GAY LITTLE SPEECH ABOUT IT BEFORE BEING WOOSHED AWAY. HOW THE FRICK DID YOU MISS IT?
TRANCERS ARE SO FRICKING ILLITERATE HOLY SHIT IM MELTING
>The whole planet is being fricked on and you literally don't know why and you have no way to know it anyway
>create a bubble to stall for time and figure out wht the frick is happening while you reconstruct your home
>HUUUUR DUUUUUUUR WHY YOU STICK HEAD SAND
Holy frick you homosexuals are just brainless.
I DONT CARE THAT THEY DONT KNOW. I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE ALREADY SHOWN TO BE A RACE THAT DIDNT DESERVE TO EXIST. EVERYONE YOU MEET IN ELPIS IS A STUPID BORING homosexual MAKING POKEMON ALL DAY UNTIL THEY GET SO BORED THEY VOLUNTARILY UNALIVE THEMSELVES EXCEPT HERMES WHO BECAME A PSYCHOPATH BECAUSE HE EXPERIENCED EMPATHY ONE TIME.
FRICK THIS GAY homosexual RACE. IF THEY WANT TO SHIT ON THE ONE PIECE OF GOOD ADVICE THAT MIGHT HAVE SAVED THEM AND DIE FOR IT....FRICKING GOOD RIDDANCE.
ALL CAPS
>wol and company were able to defeat meteion by doing what Venat told the Ancients to do. i
No. WoL and company were able to defeat meteion by being just aetherically dense enough not to get insta killed but affected just enough by dynamis to stand a chance in her realm.
That's it. That was the extent of The Plan™, everything past that is your make believe.
I am going to remind you now that the only reason the story even progresses past 4.55 is because G'raha did EXACTLY what the ancients were killed by Venat for, refusing to cope and just changing the fricking past at potentially the cost of an entire timeline this doesn't happen but no one knew better at the time and no one in universe can actually tell if G'rahas timeline survived or not.
The people in the abandoned timeline thought they would blip out of existence. It was an entirely selfless act. Unlike the ancients who would throw life into the zodiark furnace to get their old life back
>The people in the abandoned timeline thought they would blip out of existence. It was an entirely selfless act
Aside from all the people that were surviving elsewhere and quit the Ironworks because they thought the plan was moronic. So they were prepared to just kill all those people, basically for nostalgia.
And who are those people exactly? Do you have any evidence they still existed when the tower was teleported?
>Do you have any evidence they still existed when the tower was teleported?
This is Biggs the Whateverth who is the same one that led the Ironworks when the tower was sent, and at this time he says that the city-states are all in disarray with the Far East being the same, with everything being complete anarchy. So yes, many people were alive and not involved with the plan. I can't believe you'd even make an argument as stupid as
>Surely the Ironworks were literally the last people alive in the entire universe, right?
>The people in the abandoned timeline thought they would blip out of existence. It was an entirely selfless act.
No and no.
Vast majority of the survivors were merely trying to get by in their day to day life.
The plan to travel to the past was a collaboration between not that big group of people whose lives WoL affected on his journey.
An independent decision to kill everyone to save a much larger number of people.
Again, this doesn't happen because bad things don't happen in FFXIV past heavensward, but the core idea is still there.
G'raha and crew were going to sacrifice a certain number of lives to bring back a much greater number of lives.
Sounds familiar, doesn't it.
The difference being the Ancients sacrificed a frickton of lives to save a smaller number of lives, not the other way around.
They sacrificed 3/4th of the planet to save *everything*, you mental midget.
And then they were planning to use a portion of that everything, ie planets energy, plants, animals, crystals, who knows if volountarily people again to bring back said 3/4th.
All three times a smaller portion for something bigger and more important.
Idiot.
>Emet's version of events was 100 percent true and not riddled with massive cope
Sure
Hydaelyn straight up lies to us about her and Zodiark's origins and purpose when we meet her in the Antitower at the end of Heavensward. And he reasoning for lying was because she thought we wouldn't belive her if she told us the truth.
>some
Do your math. All the life on the source after zodiark fixed it comprised of 1/4 of the human population. You would need 3 worlds worth of life to hit zero sum
>You must do everything at once I DEMAND IT
A cope more commonly known as "I am too fricking stupid to remember magic crystals that store aether, can summon primals and can be mined indefinitely exist".
Yes. Coincidentally Venat is one of the only characters to actively lie to you multiple times and the explanation given for those lies is "Well uhh just imagine she was telling the truth haha"
The explanation was that the story was literally not fricking written yet and so everyone was talking nonsense. Did you forget about Lahabrea saying something about the balance of the star and how Hydaelyn disturbs it and shit and then the explanation later in hindsight was "Uhhhh, I guess Lahabrea is just fricking stupid lmao"?
Just you wait.
Explanation being "Well this story is so great this major issue had to be retconned :*~~*~~*~~) stop thinking about it and pointing this out" does not help your case.
When did the ascians say they needed aether to give to zodiark and not specifically life? I have the unending journey open, gimme a quest name
I will do you one better.
It's amazing how incapable you are of reading between the lines here.
>Frick, he actually posted proofs and I can't lie about what's in the cutscene
>Better double down on my fanfiction to save face
Not playing this game with you, dipshit. Your nonsense was just disproved and all you have left is cope. So do the Right Thing™ and Forge Ahead™ somewhere I don't have to read your queer garbage.
You just have no media literacy you fricking moron
>we created this guy that so far has only done stuff when we sacrifice ourselves for it
>so now we're gonna "nurture the star" until it has enough "aether" for him to do something again
>for some reason which I won't extrapolate on a group of people that believe THE NEW PLANET SHOULD BELONG TO THE NEXT GENERATION has an issue with this plan, but don't worry about that because it doesn't matter haha don't think just read and take everything I say at face value haha
>no argument
Stop replying to bait. It's the same moron every thread.
>You just have no media literacy you fricking moron
Hey, is this you? I wouldn't think so but you both use the same shit punctuation like periods have gone out of style.
I play lala
There's no difference.
Life is just a better aether battery. It's why ARR extreme primal questlines explain the increased difficulty with beast tribes using their own as sacrifice on top of crystals.
>They sacrificed 3/4th of the planet to save *everything*, you mental midget.
People really do not realize that the alternative was "everyone just dies lmao". Every thread you will have some mouthbreather going "b-buh muh ebul natzee memet and co killed billions for no reason :~~*(" when you go through a mandatory dungeon in Shadowbringers that gives you a view of the entire planet being literally on fire.
Taking loss on the chin and Forging Ahead™ isn't applicable when it comes at the expense of the mary sue protagonist.
Because it's okay when [character i like] does it.
>Venatgays argue
No.
Zodiarkgays are ontologically evil and nothing I do against them is unjustified. Mommy said so, so it's okay.
I only really visit these threads to get more pics for my ever increasing Venat folder
It's really the only good thing they're for.
That is your MOTHER, anon!!!
I love lalafell
That is all
so do I
Off model.
looks like that on my screen 🙂
They look like full blown morons though. Do you frick the mentally disabled?
The gap between their small stature and usually mature demeanor is what I like so much. It's why Krile and Momodi are my favorite, though Tataru and Nanamo are good too.
Glad to know your gene pool will be filtered with mentally moronic genes, anon. You're doing the world a true service.
There's nothing mentally moronic about Lalafells.
Yeah, it's not like their underdeveloped and misshapen heads or bodies that make them look like down syndrome children.
Dunesfolk have the highest possible starting mind stat, and the second highest intelligence. They're very smart.
Being one step above moronic is perfect though. Ling as you're cute
GET ON THE FRICKING CRYSTAL
GET ON THE FRICKING CRYSTAL
GET ON THE FRICKING CRYSTAL
GET ON THE FRICKING CRYSTAL
GET ON THE FRICKING CRYSTAL
GET ON THE FRICKING CRYSTAL
Nice job!
Nice job!
Nice job!
Nice job!
No im throwing
>Raised almost every class to level 90
>Can't bring myself to level a white mage
What to do
You need to feel HOLY my boy
Then don't
You don't need to do everything anon, just do what you find fun.
just level it using FL only
Dont fricking do it, i levelled all the jobs and White Mage was the absolute worst
Jesus Christ, how massive is that Final Omega hitbox, pretty much whole arena is a hitbox.
I feel like they keep missing the point in designing the raids.
Who cares beside ranged tranniest
Positioning and uptime used to be a problem you had to solve, now just dance and do puzzles while mindlessly pressing the buttons.
Welcome to shadowbringers fight design
Calling it now. Positionals are the next thing to go and the usual sycophants will pretend that nobody liked them and it's a good thing they're being cut.
They're already like 80 percent phased out by so many bosses being giant omnidirectional shitfricks at this point
I play exclusively healers and casters therefore positional don't matter to me. If them going away makes the moronic melee kill expert roulette bosses faster then go for it
Full uptime Hello World looks bizarre, I think they have given up on balancing and just taking the easy way out.
>dynamics is affected by emotion
>therefore all emotional reactions are dynamis
what would the end of endwalker patches be like?
>players who finish patch 6.55 get purple skybox at night for 4-5 months until the next expansion and see colossal void portal object near the moon
>the portal can be seen clearer on mare lamentarum and the zone's music is replaced by 'what comes of despair ost'
Why did they give Midgardsormr Akh Morn in Keeper of the Lake?
That's so fricking lame.
They're removed soul in every dungeon
you WILL run in a straight line
you WILL have a circle arena
you WILL have generic stack markers
you WILL have generic tankbusters
you WON'T have adds
you WON'T have utility
you WON'T have unique interactions
They could have spent this dev time making a story mode version of Coils.
Not possible, all the interesting Coil mechs come from weird shit that filters casuals because the devs were in experimentation mode.
Well they reworked a bunch of story fights so I don't see why they couldn't do the same for Coil.
adds are shit to be fair, good riddance.
I like the fact that you dont have to go back to the instance, reclean adds get rebuffed etc in XIV.
You wipe you re-pull 5sec after you spend more time playing and less doing bullshit.
>I clapped!
>I clapped when he did the thing!
Same reason they retconned Lahabrea's fight in 2.0 into being won entirely by Hydaelyn.
>wipes 80% of the raid
heh, nothin personnel, eorzeans...
wat that
2nd boss on Castrum Lacus Littore
boss combines different mechanics in CLL in bozja. fire is pyretic so you cant more or do actions or you die and earth is expanding donut aoe. what happens is people usually stand outside the first aoe but then pyretic activates and they can't move when the next aoe zone appears and they're in it
it aint bussin
You know that it violates FFXIV's policies. At least we get to report that crap next time this shit spams.
I clapped when Hydaelyn slaughtered every Ancient commie.
ZODIARK TRAAAAAANS
Dont worry, Zodiark-kyodais...
I'll deal with the uppity venatgays
Is BLM the most autistic job in the game?
Yes, you have to know the fight to be ahead of time in places or late
no? the BLM being hard meme is perpetuated by people who don't play BLM or absolute shitters. You have a dozen different utility tools at your disposal.
It's not so hard as it is punishing. And knowing the fight beforehand helps with positioning, which is particularly helpful when it comes to Leyline placement.
He didn't say hardest, he said autistic, which is definitely is
Shouldn't have made the will of the fricking planet manifest as Zodiark then.
Venat shattered the world to make us less aetherically dense and susceptible to Meteion's song.
Also love how these two get compared whereas Meteion murders TRILLIONS and possibly WAY more for 12,000 years but gets to live. Where these two don't.
Meteion isn't a primal, not our problem.
Meteion is just a blank paper anyone could write in. Blame the idiot who threw her into space so anyone could write and blame the buttholes who wrote nihilistic bullshit in it to begin with. The moment we added something hopeful in Meteion did a complete 180.
Nobody actually cares about Meteion, she's not a character she's a plot device to illustrate an idea. They didn't even come up with the idea for her until after ShB.
>Venat shattered the world to make us less aetherically dense and susceptible to Meteion's song.
>Ancients creation magicks went off control when Meteion attacked
>Sundered literally get transformed and turned into monsters
?
Did you try Dragonsong Ultimate?
Is it fun?
I cleared. It was the most unfun I've had playing a game.
>The ancient world probably survived years before making Zodiark
>The sundered world was going to fall in less than a week
>venat's plan was totally good trust us
I big clap
>>The sundered world was going to fall in less than a week
Where did you get that impression? Half the criticisms about EW are always that the Final Days were nowhere near as impactful as they should have felt.
Turns out meteion just really hates fantasy india
Sundered people themselves began to turn into monsters while the ancients only had to deal with zerg rush.
That still doesn't say how fast they were falling though? This game makes it a point to never tell exactly how much time is passing between plot points, where did you take less than a week from? And how do you know it was gonna take less than a week when by the time we defeat Endsinger, the Final Days were like, 10-20% done? They didn't even manage to finish off Thavnair or Garlemald.
Solely because the devs are lazy as frick. The final days were mostly underwhelming because
1. It was just the pajeetland and the sidequests in other countries also contradict MSQ which is funny as frick.
2. We almost immediately understand how to counter the transformation
3. Soon after we learn that the source of the problem is Twitter so we just have to defeat it.
Like it's an asspull after asspull.
Azem could've solved everything if it wasn't for lazy writing since he's literally you.
>It's stated that turning into a blasphemy deletes your soul which is a horrific fate in a setting with reincarnation
>Healer rolequest has the blasphemy meet up with all of his dead friends in the afterlife anyway
i know that feel
Reminder that Golbez's plan is to force a rejoining of the Thirteenth, and when he succeeds the Source will end up with red and blue twin Moons. The resulting calamity of the fusion of the Thirteenth's and Source's lifestreams will frick the planet up and we set off to fix it for 7.0.
I mean, Yoshida did say we should pay attention to that one piece of art that had 2 moons clashing in the background, so it really seems like Golbez will succeed
Yoshida says pay attention to the EW preorder earring.
>there's a moon
Yeah we knew that
Yoshida says pay attention to what precisely Zenos's voidsent looks like.
>it comes back later
Yeah we got that.
Nothing he says matters.
The effects will be entirely localized to Thavnair and Garlemald.
>The effects will be entirely localized to Meracydia*.
>That neck
>Get back in the wheelchair Arenvald.
I think the difference in being judged to be a monkey or a human doesn't come from the killing, but from the being good or evil. If someone of your species does things that make them evil we have to admit we have the capacity of evil in us. If that would be true, then we're not the pure and good and innocent beings. Because having the ability or the potential might mean you might actually do it, and a good person never does evil things.
When a good person kills, there's probably a good reason for it.
When an evil person kills, they can't help it because they're evil and that's in a savage animal's nature.
TL;DR:
>Evil people are considered subhuman because if he have to acknowledge the potential of evil in a human, then a human being by default can't be good.
So they for sure will do something with Graha Tia's og reality in the future right? I mean Emet and Elidibus are still alive there, and there's no way they won't want to milk that fanservice.
I feel like they'll pull out G'raha's timeline if they ever want to do a full post-apocalypse type expac
They're probably gonna store it in reserve for a possible new timeline if new shards and new planets gets old. Just have someone someday go all "Hey WoL, we just figured out how to travel to other timelines!".
>EW ruined
-the story
-every job
-pvp
-my desire to play the game
WoL dies at the end of EW postgame
Chocobo companion will be the new protag.
Remember when people were saying this about Endwalker originally
Just like how WoL was supposed to die at the end of EW, right?
Ya but now it's EW postgame
I mean we died but we lived
if only
It would be absolutely mental for them to do, and while I think it would be neat, they would have to do something so it isn't just
>haha, make a new character, level everything again moron
While I think it would be fun, not a lot of people want to start again at level 1 with a small kit.
At this point it's the only way to not make leveling below the current expansion not be even more miserable.
Having levels restart in the next expansion would be a good way to no longer have to touch the old stuff, but Yoshi's already said we're going up to level 100.
Fluoride stare hate
I call it the midlander stare.
Hate seeing this face on every midlander I encounter
fem middies hav 4 faces, 2 of which are hideous and 1 is universally used on every NPC fem middie.
There's not much to work with.
why are you all so miserable
Venat's plan is shit because her actions solved nothing about the central conflict she was dealing with.
Yes it created a timeloop that led to WoL who defeated Meteion. But the real problem she was trying to solve with the Sundering was mankind trying to "fly", that is them becoming too advanced and ultimately succumbing to existential despair and killing themselves because they see no point in continuing to live.
That wasn't fixed at all, it was just set back a few thousand years. We've already seen the sundered Allagans reach that end already which produced Amon and Xande, and the only thing that stopped it was a calamity that set back society again.
So long as people have a drive to advance and improve their lives, eventually they'll reach that point once again after all their survival needs are met and they've mastered their environment, leading to their downfall. It's inevitable and can't be solved for.
>We've already seen the sundered Allagans reach that end already which produced Amon and Xande
Amon and Xande were suicidal because they were nihilistic dipshits, not because their civilization had advanced that much. They were involved in several wars, in case you forgot.
for xande it helps that he's the only truly resurrected character in the whole setting and he remembers being dead
>not because their civilization had advanced that much
It's explicitly said and shown that Allagan culture as a whole was fricked up and in late stage hedonistic decline. It's easy to say Amon was as he was because he was Hermes' soul, but I think it was more that he was a product of his time.
Eulmore was also fricked up and hedonistic and I wouldn't consider them to be similar to the ancients and the Nibirun at all. Just because a culture becomes hedonistic doesn't mean it's actually post-scarcity.
Eulmore was kind of exactly like that since they wanted for nothing and were all just waiting for death.
The top 10% wanted for nothing. Everyone else oscillated between literal hobos begging for meol and the servants of that 10% who at least got a clean change of clothes and a warm meal every day.
The hobos barely count, the servants were so inured to servitude that they loved it.
Except for when they were being thrown off the balcony because their master's mood was foul that day and they were fired
Maybe he should've painted better.
Their society was quite literally built around waiting for death with all their needs met, illustrated by literal fat slothful cats. If you can't see how this was showcasing the same concepts as in EW you're a brainlet.
So according to you being a servant whose livelihood can go to shit any day at all because you offended your master over the slightest shit is equivalent to living post-scarcity and that's the peak of civilization?
The point isn't that the end will be averted, it's that people have to keep their hopes up even in the face of an ultimately meaningless reality that will eventually come to an end. Given the WoL basically fought off the collective despair of the rest of the universe, there's precedent for them being somebody to help push that mindset on the world at large.
>The point isn't that the end will be averted, it's that people have to keep their hopes up even in the face of an ultimately meaningless reality that will eventually come to an end.
Why?
Why do you only post things designed to keep an argument about nothing going?
Because the end is inevitable. It's nihilism, man. Nothing matters, so live your best life.
I don't know, it just seems to me the whole "you must keep living" thing is less an inspiring message to live life and more a product of Asian work culture where they put up suicide nets around the building to make sure productivity doesn't flag.
Posing the question and ultimately answering it with "Figure it out for yourself lol" is neat in theory, but frankly just depressing if you can't think of a reason.
It seems that way to you because you ignored like 95% of the expansion and replaced it with something else. They're not subtle or unclear about what they mean with the story's themes.
>you just don't get it bro
Why do you keep saying this? Is it really so hard to accept that somebody can see the themes and ideas and disagree with them on principle instead of because it's misunderstood?
I'm telling you it's impressive you don't get it because you keep saying you see what they're driving at and then you've replaced it with your fricking headcanon about Chinese suicide nets.
Okay smart guys, what were the themes and why were the answers posed to the question of existential despair so right?
correcting your media illiteracy is not my problem and not my job
the only way out for you is suicide
people are gonna call you moronic when you claim to understand the themes and then you prove you didn't
>Why do you keep posting the bait I am most likely to take
>The point isn't that the end will be averted, it's that people have to keep their hopes up even in the face of an ultimately meaningless reality that will eventually come to an end.
But enough about ancients ideals, let's get back to Venat.
arguing is easy when i ignore literally any rebuttal
We are talking about Venat in particular, not venatgays.
I want to frick these two dorks in the ass
>All of the job quests NPCs are now completely sidelined because job quests are not a thing anymore
yeah, frick this game
>b-but this one NPC appeared in the background during this and this
shut up, Black person
You'll be content with the MSQ ebins and you WILL be happy
Sometimes they even seem straight up reticent to actually use the job npcs even when they make sense.
>No problem showing off Rostik around the garlean contingent even though he's completely from side content, but Radovan and Sophie not allowed to participate.
>Y'mhitra makes an appearance in the MSQ and sidequests dealing with MSQ plot points, not allowed to participate.
I guess A-Ruhn counts... that's one...
But Estinien is a main character.
>CC
>play any tank
>jump in immediately into the enemy
>pop shield
>they waste all their cooldowns on me
>leave
>refuse to elaborate
Its amazing how this always seem to work in casual
>Do the exact same thing
>Die because my team is focusing on the NIN that teleported behind
>Don't even kill the NIN
>Lose team fight
>Lose the match because everyone keeps staggering themselves
>overtime
>stay on point as much as I possibly can
>praying, waiting, hoping for my teammates to get on the point
>do all sorts of 200IQ moves to stay alive
>finally die a hero's death
>look at map
>my teammates are frick all on the otherside chasing the white mage
Then I remind myself not to get mad as its only casual
You left out the best part
>Shitter on your team who has the least amount of kills, assists and damage in the entire match, but has the most deaths start spamming "Nice job"
I just fricking ignore NINs whenever possible now. They seem unkillable and also just have a shit ton of CC, mobility and damage. Doesn't make sense to me
I wish XIV could steal minion battles from WoW/Pokemon.
The stupid pseudo RTS game they made for minions sucks.
So I'm supposed to just believe that Emet, Hythlodeus and Hermes don't care that a whole day of their memory was erased? That Hermes wouldn't be able to tell that it was his date rape machine that was responsible and that he wouldn't notice that Meteion is gone? And that none of them would be able to use the "echo" Venat showed us to view memories stored in the ambient aether of Elpis to see what happened outside of the date rape machines zone of influence?
Venat excuse why she didn't want to tell them felt like convenient writing. It was a weird excuse
There's very little in Endwalker that actually makes sense. When you look past ZODIARK TRANCE false flagging, you will quickly see 95% of all lore discussion regarding EW is about plot not making any sense.
You're literally told that they got an explanation afterwards, that there was a freak accident in the facility during which several creatures escaped, Meteion got stomped, and the date rape machine just flashbanged everyone and that's why they can't remember things. You even get a lodestone story of Hermes' reaction to it when he wakes up and his fellow researchers saying that that kind of bullshit is something typical of him.
I remember asking something similar a while ago
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/599882892/#599894172
Bro did you even PLAY the game?
What race/gender combo do you like to see most?
Femlala
yeah bb
https://arch.b4k.co/vg/search/image/jPJwnPZtE9MVBHsLeYc5Xw/
I assure you xivg would be more than happy to see him stay here. He's a plague for both
remember, now thats its 6.31:
every thread
every bait
every zodiark trance
every well thought out response supported by evidence ignored
you WILL be booty bothered and baited into giving them the lulz. also, lalafell thighs.
Made for hugs
daww thanks
Only thing I understood is that writers struggled to tell why Venat did things she did and the excuse why she didn't tell others about lost memories was laughable.
you will die alone and frustrated that "nobody can give me a REAL answer" about this