>finally stuck around long enough to get into actual build optimization and farming end-game (t17 b2b) content

>finally stuck around long enough to get into actual build optimization and farming end-game (t17 b2b) content

Easily the best ARPG ever made. Makes D2 look like a joke.

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    but current poe is fricking garbage
    hasn't been decent since 2021

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      sound like a you issue

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      git gud

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Game's been shit since 3.15 when it became clear that GGG is just openly clueless and antagonistic towards the playerbase and just wants to pad out play time
      If you disagree you are mazed or new

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      100% true. And 2021 is being generous. This was constantly said for years by everyone and even people like Alk has said it in the past week or two where GGG have made the mistake of trying to gather too many different types of players. The leagues were blatantly obvious for this, so instead of a good playerbase the only people dumb enough to hang around STILL in 2024 are just morons and those with no taste. Further shown by how everybody now expects every build to do all content, and they do this quickly and then quit the league, also hence the awful retention rate they've been having for years (and trend to being worse and worse each subsequent league).

      I feel sorry for those pinning hopes for PoE 2 as if it's going to be different. I don't mean different mechanics, I mean the history of it. Even if it starts out well and stays strong for years (Like PoE 1), what stops it from going down the same dogshit decline like PoE 1? Nothing. Same devs.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        every time I get the itch to play all it takes is me checking out poeninja and seeing that 30% of the builds are still bow dot ranger for x leagues in a row and it snaps me out of it pretty much instantly

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Spotted the redditor

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    No frens to play with

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >minimal requirements needed for the game to load each zone for 4 seconds instead of 40

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I've played this game for over 1k hours and still feel like a fricking noob.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Just watch videos of people making/crafting stuff.
      You will learn so much about the game.
      Belton and Empyrian do a ton of crafting videos.
      Sirgog is an incredible font of knowledge for just general stuff.
      If you played 1k hours you prolly won't need the poe basic courses that zizaran makes, but he will definitely have something you wouldn't know about normally.

      Make sure to have at minimum Awakened Poe Trade (price checking), Path of Building (gearing), and Better Path of Trading (saves common searches) browser addon. If you want to look for cheap upgrades use PoB built in item search. Use its built-in timeless israeliteel search too. Almost every build works better with Timeless israeliteels. If you are having trouble figuring out which timeless israeliteel works for you look up Poe Ninja for people with your build to compare with.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It amazes me that anyone bought D4 after how bad D3 was when POE was right there, free, and even if you count for basic QoL tabs STILL cheaper and a wildly better game on top of that.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      for some reason some people hate poe with a passion. never understood why, probably some contrarian thing which I somehow understand (I hate dark souls for no apparent reason) but who knows.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Fair

        While I agree with the sentiment of your post, I don't think that PoE is free. You need to spend at least like 20 bucks on it to not giga cuck yourself with item management.

        Yea I agree, hence why I added the bit about the QoL tabs, I would say at bare minimum a quad is required to not hate yourself, ideally pick up another two cheap ones on a sale, maybe div/map/essence. Still under 20$ but yea calling it free is disingenuous.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Those who hate it do so because turbo tuber morons farm Korean drama from every patch line like that and so they larp as gurus who knows what's up. Nothing they say is their thoughts, absolutely zero, perfect example right here:

        but current poe is fricking garbage
        hasn't been decent since 2021

        . There is also so many of these tubers, for every facet of the game and everyone have their own homosexual to look up too, so they get high on that "insight that the OTHER guy don't have" so they can appear like they know wassup.

        But also there is just pure normies. I have one like that, he literally plays the games based on ad volume. Never heard of Diablo until he saw an ad shill close to release and a hype from plebs. I told him that POE is simply a better game but since it's PC only, for the most part (he's a console cuck) and doesn't get enough traction in media it's not even on his radar. Also it seems very different from linear single player slop that "games" usually are, which is what he plays exclusively.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >everyone have their own homosexual to look up too, so they get high on that "insight that the OTHER guy don't have" so they can appear like they know wassup.
          This is exactly why I hate this game. Its so bloated and poorly explained in game that in order to git gud you almost encouraged to go suck some youtubers wiener just to get a basic explanation of mechanics and basic synergies. No one is able to 'git gud' entirely on their own using nothing but their own skills and the game. You will eventually hit some wall and unless you have thousands of hours to throw every single thing at the wall you'll never get over it, but one quick 5 min video and its all solved. Its this bizarre elitism over people knowing the games mechanics that causes all this shits drama and the devs love it. Why do you think they keep the poorly explained shit in? Because the tubers would have a meltdown and call the game 'casualized' because no one would need to watch their videos.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It filters a few different types of players
        It filters the sub 100 iq people almost instantly with the slow gameplay and large amount of upfront reading. Imagine someone opening the passive tree and then trying to figure out how to navigate it let alone use it to empower their character. Then they go to town and look at the act 1 skills. There are over 30 skills that they might have to read to see what they would want to play.
        It filters wagies who only have 1hr of playable time a day.
        The funny thing is that it doesn't filter out credit card swipers. These people are unironically the top players in the game. Almost everyone with a top 20 dps build is swiping the credit card.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Most ironic fan base of all video games. People pretend that you need to have a galaxy brain to play it, when everything is easily laid out by guides for literally every aspect of the game. If there is not a guide, you can read the wiki. It's a complete joke at this point, but anyone still riding this meme is desperate to elevate their monkey iq above others. Spare me the one liners and rage.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            The sub 100 iq player can't even read a guide or know how to find one. My statement is still correct.
            100 iq is average intelligence, btw.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            True. I play PoE because I am a monkey and I just want to zoom, idk what the frick anon means by it being "slow". I also played every D3 season for about a week because it was fun to take the fastest welfare set and push for a few days then shelve it again. Meanwhile, D4, the supposed peanut brain casual game does not let me zoom. In fact, those mongoloids at Blizzard didn't even give Necro a movement skill and I'm stuck doing some gay MMO rotation for resource until T4 affixes.

            If only other monkey brain casuals knew PoE like I know PoE then D4 would truly and deservedly be fricking dead.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              True, that's the only time I've even liked poe. When I can make throw 100ex, well divs now, into a fun build and nuke bosses or plow through uber juiced maps. This whole "slow methodical arpg" shit that people apparently like just does not interest me in the slightest

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >nuke bosses or plow through uber juiced maps
                So day 1 you go giga zoom zoom mode everything instantly dies. And you just do that for 30-40 more hours?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Not on day 1 no. A good poe league to me is one with a worthwhile league mechanic that doesn't take you out of the game and is decent for currency but not abusable to where it destroys the economy like that auto battler one and sanctum were a while ago.
                I want to be able to play a fun league starter that is viable up into red maps and early bossing, have a niche for crafting where I can deterministically roll and flip items, then by the 2nd week rework my build into something stronger that is actually fun to play and start speeding up to that point. Then a couple weeks later finish up league challenges and put the game down until next league

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              You won't get to that point in your first 20 hours of gameplay.
              You won't get to that point in your first 100 hours of gameplay.
              I will repeat what I said before. PoE is a very slow game.
              I'm at pic related.
              It took me at minimum 1k hours to get to the point that you describe where everything is going fast. To be fair that was also almost a decade ago.
              I introduce at least 5 people to the game each league and they need help well past the 500 hour mark if they even get to that point. From my personal experience, my friends will not make it past the first league they join.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >is a very slow game.
                What kinda brain damage do you need to have where modern SC trade is a very slow game?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You can keep trash talking, but you aren't saying anything of value. it's a slow game. You won't be rocking seven league steps your first playthrough you won't know be one shotting mobs as you level. Yes, after you have played enough or watched enough guides you can get to the point where you are doing the campaign in sub 4 hours and getting to 90 in less than 10 hours, but that won't happen watching without multiple vods of speedrunners or following 200 paragraph guides. You won't figure out action speed/movement speed/cast speed/attack speed interactions in your first 100 hour. I shouldn't have to explain this to you.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >sub 4 hours and getting to 90 in less than 10 hours
                You'd consider 6 hour campaign and 20 hours to 90 a very slow game?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think that's what he meant by saying slow game. Probably spoke also generally and from the perspective of anyone who doesn't have 3k hours of gayming experience.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                The average for a new player is around 50 hours to beat the campaign usually 200 to get to level 90.
                I know this because I help friends get into the game. Not just one or two. I usually try to get around 3-5 people to play with each league and most of the time they leave mid league because of how SLOW the game is for them.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >SLOW the game is for them.
                Maybe better if they keep playing Spider Man on story mode instead

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >The average for a new player is around 50 hours to beat the campaign usually 200 to get to level 90.
                I too like to pull wildly wrong numbers straight out of my ass

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I would say 200 is a good estimate for lvl 100 but honestly for a new player it may as well be a million levels to hit 100 since most of them hit a wall around lvl 92-94

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Do you realize that getting a degree is also basically nothing but following guides? Not saying that PoE is as hard as a degree, but the usual way people acquire knowledge is by learning from others.

            Also you've obviously never been in /poeg/ and checked out the builds of some of the people who "followed guides".

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              KEK, I remember going on plebbit and seeing people post " newbie struggling with x build low dmg in campaign" and then they link a pob with obviously rmt'd gear but no gems/bad gems or completely random skillpoints.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It really is as simple as perusing poeninja by week and seeing what supports/item mods/uniques/passives people are running for the main skill you want to play and using that as a base for your own build with w/e adjustments you want to make. This is the advice I give anyone trying to get into poe, that and to stay well away from builds on the poe forums and w/e clickbait streamer shit is popular
                Not to mention for the past few years all of those mainstream builds have been turboboring shit like bow dot and traps which, if I were a new player, would turn me off the game immediately

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >friend getting into poe asks me how to improve his build because its weak/slow/clunky
                >its ED trickster or cold dot occultist or fricking enki arc witch or slamzerker every single time
                I hate that the most pedestrian builds in this game are the most watching paint dry boring shit in the world
                I can't imagine how many new players have this as their first experience and quit because of it

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >gaiz rocket science isn't hard you literally just read guides
            Not that these things are directly comparable but your mindset is that of a very stupid person

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >just read guides
              Some guides tell you exactly what items to buy and what gems to put into which item. How is that hard?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            There's a ton if noob bait guides, I remember hearing about youtuber who would make build guide videos with rmt links in his descriptions because the builds needed high investment to work, so some research outside the guide is needed to appraise their level of gear, how to get it and if its reasonable to acquire

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >slow gameplay
          Wtf are you playing?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >never understood why
        its extremely complex if you try to understand every aspect of it. Its seethe from feeling stupid and incompetent as most new faces lack the patience to slowly work through all of its systems

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          really I think the biggest hurdle for new players is not understanding the finer points of statting their character and/or not really knowing the proper avenues for getting impactful upgrades quickly/cheaply
          the former is a larger issue with how unintuitive stacking dmg multipliers can be and the latter is people not realizing how its better to just throw 30c into imperfect items that can double/triple their survival and clearspeed instead of struggling because they're trying to save up 3div for a unique and using a bunch of self found garbage and a tabula

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >the former is a larger issue with how unintuitive stacking dmg multipliers can be
            cant really blame them. Unless you go and look at the exact base equations the gigantic difference of "more" and "increased" looks trivial at first glance.

            Seems like this is what they are trying to amend with Poe 2 by making it much more action and skill focused with a unified baseline for campaign content. with less emphasis on tree and gear for leveling while then leaving the really crazy shit for end game min maxing

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              its not even just more and increased either, flat dmg vs increased and when and why one is better than the other is a big thing too, likewise I'm sure there are plenty of new people who wouldn't realize that added 50 dmg to the weapon isn't the same as spell dmg and not knowing to differentiate between spells/strikes/projectiles when it comes to scaling

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      While I agree with the sentiment of your post, I don't think that PoE is free. You need to spend at least like 20 bucks on it to not giga cuck yourself with item management.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I would like poe if it wasn't designed around joining a troony discord and using a bunch of 3rd party tools and logout macros. The core gameplay is not good enough to warrant all this nonsense. There's only so much whispering some laggy russian bot and joining its hideout to trade an item I can take.
    >BUT ITS FREE
    I'm not a poorgay so this is not an upside to me.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      the tft-troony discord stuff is only a problem in softcore trade. hc trade and ssf are fine and dandy and are the the way the game is supposed to be played anyway.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        This is pure cope. A) HC trade is dead and has been for years. B) Chris Wilson is a tradeBlack person and the whole game is built around his trade economy ancap fantasy (hence why everything gets ruined because he just has to make it tradable). Ssf is not the way the game is meant to be played. It is a handicap per GGG themselves. If the game was designed around SSF instead of chris' RMT troony trade fantasy, it would be great.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >hc trade
          weird I guess I play a different hc trade mode because mine seems to work.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >comparing D2 to PoE
    Thats like comparing Runescape to Last Ark you dumb Black person.

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    d2 aged like milk and I say that who bought lod on release and probably put 10+k hours into it. it was fine for its time because there wasnt anything like that at the time but I have to cringe everytime a zoomer who only played a few ladders tells me how great the game is and how every other arpg should be like d2.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Any game where the lead dev says economy is more important than gameplay is a game you should never play

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Shut the frick up Chris. Go optimize the bots so the Chinese investors don’t get wise and bail last second.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I loved poe until 3.0 when they gutted every skill gem I liked, dropped it with one of the worst leagues in the game's entire lifespan (from all of the ones I've played anyway,) gutted energy shield, and made the game into 10 acts
    I've played it off and on since then and there were a few leagues I liked especially ritual and delirium. I just have a few major issues with the game that keep me from going back ever since ultimatum
    I'm glad people can have fun with it though. Back in ritual I played a call of the brotherhood storm brand elementalist and it was probably the most fun I've had with the game since there was good build variety and a lot of good ways to make currency. I have tried it a couple times since then and I just get bored within a week

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    t17 is unreasonably hard. I've spend over 200 divs on my character and still get dunked on.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      1) T17, especially with B2B is not the usual PoE endgame where any viable build is good enough. You need to have something highly optimized.
      2) Map rolls are *very* important. I spend like 30-50c on every t17 map to roll it correctly.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >2) Map rolls are *very* important. I spend like 30-50c on every t17 map to roll it correctly.
        How do you stay profitable? Do you get this much loot out of them?

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    1

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    the build variety is insane if you dont obsess over whatever is the flavor of the month meta. Started out back when it came into open beta and still finding new build combos to create

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    does a in arpg stands for action? are we actually talking about path of exile?

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Most I was ever tempted to install poe in 2 years.

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Last Epoch is better

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      pussy ass b***h

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      *isn't

      Sorry for the typo, guys.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Last Epoch is better than D4.
      But, It's endgame is so completely devoid of anything fun that it sucks the soul out your character.

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >start character with skill in mind
    >end up getting unique that makes me want to start a build with it
    >make new character
    >eventually get a better unique
    >repeat

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    When the new game comes out maybe I'll check it out.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      PoE2 will be a drastically different game.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >PoE2 will be a drastically different game.
        It will be fun for a few leagues. Actually having to play the game to win

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, GGG is now 100% owned by tencent, hopefully they do a good job.
        Seems like PoE for the last couple of leagues has been Tencent trying to make the guys who still owned some stocks sell it.

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Not really. I've been enjoying my time this league for the first time in a long while, but the build variety is still fricking shit and GGG's habits are still all the same. In fact they were worse than ever this league with all the exploits early on

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >but the build variety is still fricking shit
      Is it really? Especially this league you can really make anything with item editor graveyard and cheap as frick T0 uniques. Sounds like you're just afraid of experimenting and get your builds from maxroll or some shit.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Good luck experimenting into t17's, where it's a million times worse than reds ever were about every other mod invalidating a build

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          What exactly is your complaint here? That it takes effort to beat the hardest content in the game?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            The opposite
            The 'effort' part isn't playing the game, it's choosing the right build

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Do me a favor and link your PoB.

              Here, this is mine.

              https://pobb.in/3obQasRW8XqB

              I'm farming b2b barrel runs on sanctuary pretty comfortably. When I try to find people who use the same set-up as me on poe.ninja I can't. Pic related only lists 184 people and can't fill in glove/armor slot because nobody else uses this combo.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                pretty nice, anon

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Path of shitpile doesn't even show you damage numbers. Not a real arpg. Literally just a trheadmill for chinese rmt bot farms.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >doesn't even show you damage numbers
      And?

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