That seems to be the problem isn't it? Engage is great gameplay-wise but in terms of plot (and writing of the cast) it just doesn't have the staying power 3H has.
it's a problem if your favorite part of fire emblem is not playing fire emblem and getting into circular arguments and circular jerk sessions on the internet about continuity that never comes up in the next game. as a game to just play every once in a while and not make your personality revolve around it's pretty good
the problem is that fire emblem has always had mediocre gameplay
the only reason to play it is the plot and characters
without that there's a billion better SRPG's out there
The problem is with the presentation, script and plot. The character design direction doesn't help either, specially what they did with the MC, but I'm sure there's a good game buried underneath and it will get a cult following later. Also the fact that the community it garnered not only shits on the previous much more successful (saleswise) game but they also play this on emulators and Engage popularity won't be reflected on sales
Out of the modern games the one with the worst character design sold best (3H) while the one of the best sold worst (Echoes) so clearly there's more factors at play here
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I think fates looks better but id agree with 3h being the worst looking fe game
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Out of the modern games the one with the worst character design sold best (3H) >worst character design
Comparing character design, palette, ambient and setting what games have the most in common? 3H-SoV or E-SoV? I'm curious to see how far gone are people in here...
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Imo color wise SoV and 3H, but I don't feel like that works because Engage is very bright where both of the others use a more muted tone. Design-wise Engage and SoV are more similar since characters have unique armor and designs instead of what 3H does. Characters are very unique in appearance in SoV and Engage, but faces and personalities blend hard in 3H.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Best take ever on character designs
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ite sad how badly this game mogs every other FE game simce the 3DS on. And its a faithful remake of one of the worst FEs. Shows how far the series has fallen.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
are you that hungry for (you)s?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I genuinely cannot fathom how they looked at decades of improvement against Gaiden's maps and said "we're not going to change anything." I know people get weird when it comes to remakes and about them being faithful. But they remade Fire Emblem 1 twice and made sure to bring QoL improvements to those. Why not do it with Gaiden?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because they knew they would fuck it up. Echoes has better maps than cumquest or three turds
I guess I'm retroactively a Three Houses fan but not one of Fire Emblem since I don't like the last entry... then again, I was a Final Fantasy fan before FF10 and a Metal Gear fan before MGSV
Engage just felt kind of bare. There's so few weapon types and enemy types. They could have added a few more tomes, maybe a second type of dragon enemy and a differentiate corrupted from regular soldiers in some way (I know they did this a bit in xenologue)
Everyone keeps saying Engage had great gameplay but shitty everything else. Where does this come from? Its gameplay is middle-of-the-pack at best. It's really not that good.
Emblems were somewhat interesting and unique and it returns to more normal Fire Emblem gameplay aside from emblems after how different Echoes and Three Houses were. Great is definitely an exaggeration but I can see why people who preferred the older games would like it more than Three Houses.
Legitimately what game is better than Engage gameplay-wise? the only one that comes to mind is Conquest, nothing really comes close to Engage in gameplay otherwise.
I think FE fanbase are just brainmelted gachafags who only care about waifus at this point. Diofeld and Triangle Strategy were better sRPGs than Engage
>Diofield
I get why people didn’t care for it but I loved it even if it was piss-easy. I just loved playing as a mercenary band that actually acted like mercenaries and Inorin was clearly having a blast as pic related
>Diofeld
One of the most garbage SRPGs I've ever tried. >Triangle Strategy
I liked it but it's also too wordy. I don't think it's more fun than Engage gameplaywise but it sure is a lot more respectable, good characters decent story.
Anon, I did ALL routes for Triangle Strategy, and while the story is nice, and I appreciate every single character having its own gimmick, its just not the same appeal as Fire Emblem and I wouldnt compare it to Engage in any way. I love both games and they play vastly different to each other.
fpbp
engage is such a let down. the mc is the cringest looking chud in the series, the combat looks like a mobile port visually, characters arent interesting. how do you mess up a winning formula like 3h.
False, Crimson was worked alongside Silver Snow, IS did both, and Claude's route is just Silver Snow copypasted so its pretty much IS's work
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Silver Snow >crimson flower
am i supposed to know what these are?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Church and Edel's route, does that make it easier for ya?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>IS made the shittiest routes
Wowie-zowie! No wonder everyone wants KT to take the helm!
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Even Blue Lions route has its narrative issues but it made the clever decision of ignoring TWSITD and focused on the characters pertaining to the house itself, that was a good choice despite the fact that its counter intuitive to the FE series and you might not ever experience this stuff in other games due to permadeath.
Awakening turned it into a fucking dating simulator. The avatar self insert characters are cancer to story telling cause they always win and never suffer any real set backs.
Except that shit is arguably what saved it and trying to distance from those things is what killed it now. Stop pretending like anybody cared about GBA Fire Emblem.
>trying to distance from those things is what killed it now
Three Houses is the best-selling game in the series and Engage is on pace to sell roughly as much as Fates/Awakeing
Just because the games were getting released in english doesn't mean it was "out of obscurity". They openly admitted Fire Emblem was gonna die if Awakening (aka the waifu simulator you GBA gays bitch about) didn't sell the way it did.
>GBA FE It's what ultimately brought the franchise out of obscurity
No, that was Smash Bros
Just because the games were getting released in english doesn't mean it was "out of obscurity". They openly admitted Fire Emblem was gonna die if Awakening (aka the waifu simulator you GBA gays bitch about) didn't sell the way it did.
Marth's game on the DS fucking bombed so hard they didn't even bring the sequel over, they put everything they had left into Awakening and it worked
Nah. I played 3H and the dating sim aspects are honestly fine. The real problems with the modern games are the absolutely HORRENDOUS writing. The world building is atrocious, the characters are less then two-dimensional caricatures, etc. The writing is just really, REALLY, bad. Old FE wasn't the best writing but at least the characters took themselves seriously and the worlds were interesting. Modern FE is a JOKE. Awakening, Fates, Engage... all complete shit. 3H, like the old games wasn't amazing, but the world building was pretty good, as were the characters.
They were. The SNES games and PoR in particular. Even the NES and GBA games had better world building than Fates or Engage and Awakening, which was based on the same world was worse in that aspect. The modern writers are bad at their job. Period.
yeah dude the great writing of snes emblem, like when manfroy and ishtar couldnt hear the fucking prison break happening right outside the room they were scheming in. 'oldfag' my fucking ass. keep posting this shit for another year instead of actually playing fire emblem
None of those posts were by me. Nice to see someone agrees with me though.
You see Japanese people criticizing Komuro online and you want to be cool like them, so you imitate them. It's pathetic. No one gives a fucking shit who writes video games.
I legitimately have no idea what you're talking about or what that word even means. Modern FE writing is just bad, you dumb schizo.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Modern
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
? Is Awakening not considered modern now or something?
What would you call it?
Awakening, Fates, and Engage is what I am referring to. The new-ish games with the awful writing and completely different style to the older/classic style games.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
7 also has terrible writing
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Sure. But Awakening, Fates, and Engage are on another level. And it's not just the writing it's the entire style of the newer games. The characters aren't even to be taken seriously in these modern FE games. I hate it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Serra and Florina don't count because... >Bartre is actually a more grounded and serious character because...
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Would you have a nice day if you saw Maerchen in Tear Ring Saga, Arden in fe4, or Xane in fe3?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not him and I agree to an extent but it isn't that 7's writing is bad (it's probably the best of the GBA games for characters and the writing itself which is why the characters are so well liked), the problem is that it is a terrible prequel to FE6 and the actual storyline is bad, tying in very poorly with FE6 and elements of it not making much sense (though this is made worse with translation issues making some important parts of the story unclear in the English version).
But again, in general I think the character/scenario writing is very strong in FE7 which is why most people get through the game without ever realizing how bad the actual main story is.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>n, in general I think the character/scenario writing is very strong in FE7 which is why most people get through the game without ever realizing how bad the actual main story is.
nah you guys just played it as a kid so you had no problem wth it
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Again, you do not know me and I'm an anonymous poster so you cannot know this. I don't know why that is so hard for you to grasp. I did an iron man run of both FE7 and 8 within the last 6 months or so. I know the game. The character writing is good and at the very least no worse than FE8, while FE6 has a lot of very barebones characterisation with Roy basically being a non-character who exists for other characters to bounce exposition off of, typically saying stuff like 'Who are you?' and 'We must hurry!' in the main, while Eliwood/Hector/Lyn are much more developed in comparison.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
i find it funny how nobody said how FE7 writing was bad until that moron mekkah made a video series about it
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It really doesn't and you're being psyopped by e-celebs looking to chase some clout and make a name for themselves by mocking (what was then) one of the most popular fe titles.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Awakening is older now than the GBA games were when Awakening came out.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
That doesn't matter, there was a very clear change in the way FE games were designed from Awakening onwards and Awakening was also the game that boosted the series into the mainstream. So it's completely fair to make the distinction between pre-Awakening games and post-Awakening games. There's a clear line that every person can see.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
awakening is more similar to gaiden and genealogy than it is fates
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're going to have to explain that one
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Awakening has more in common with what came before than what came after. But Awakening sold so well because of what was new, the way supports worked, that those became the main focus of later games.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>none of the posts with the same image hash, same filename, and bitching about the same stupid shit are from me
i believe that youre genuinely dumb enough to play these games for the worldbuilding now and this isnt just a nostalgiatard thing
You see Japanese people criticizing Komuro online and you want to be cool like them, so you imitate them. It's pathetic. No one gives a fucking shit who writes video games.
Anon, that poster is anonymous. You know absolutely nothing about him and what he thinks beyond a few random sentences in a few posts ITT. We all know that you cannot possibly know the things you're claiming to about the poster and it just comes across as ranting. Calm the retardation.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
why is this post glowing
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
A schizo too, shocker
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Retarded cunt – fuck off – from me fuck! I no longer accommodate you: the profoundly unintelligent rabble. I no longer tolerate your babble, retarded cunt.
>state an obvious fact in an attempt to cause offence or insult
You can tell this post’s by a chud from the mindset needed to think this would shatter anyone’s identity
Awakening turned it into a fucking dating simulator. The avatar self insert characters are cancer to story telling cause they always win and never suffer any real set backs.
Fates let you have MALE PEGASUS KNIGHTS!!!
Also the models and animations looked really cool.
But the gameplay wasn't too great. Maybe I just suck, but there wasn't a lot of "tactic" in my opinion.
As they always say, You either die a hero with dignity or live long enough to self insert and date fictional characters, head rubbing, running around a harry potter monastery or cleaning rings
FE5 has better gameplay, conquest maps are mostly gimmicky and ninjas are just cancer. Doesn't help that the story is offensively bad either. It's still probably the most enjoyable of the three though Birthright is the only one you can play through without at least one element of the game being ridiculously awful.
The 3DS era was a nadir.
The worst games in the franchise carried by the fact the series was actually advertised for once.
Then 3H came out and exposed how shit they were. Then Engage came out and tried to be a new version of the 3DS era and failed because 3H had already shown people how shit the 3DS games actually were. The moment somebody plays a game prior to Awakening or after SoV they stop liking the 3DS games because they see how genuinely inferior they are to anything else in the franchise.
I have played every fe game and numerous fan mods and conquest is still the best on a gameplay and map design level. Sov has the absolute best art, music, and general design in the series and arguably the best story despite Celica being a fucking retard
The gba games are good, the ds games are ok, tharacia and genealogy are the most overrated shit on planet earth that tryhards always claim to be their favorites to be le different, kagas non-fe games are forgettable and average, Gaiden was made completely irrelevant by sov, don't really care much for 3h or engage for very different reasons
AHEM >Make the story worse than the original. Celica originally sacrificed herself to save Alm in the original, while in the remake she sacrifices herself because she's retarded. Also in the remake, Rudolf let thousands of innocent people(Including his nephew) die for retarded reasons when he could have easily killed Duma, thus preventing SoV events. This is the equivalent of Goku not doing shit against Frieza as Gohan + Piccolo must do all the work. >Characters are now worse. Alm is now a Kiseki tier protagonist akin to Lloyd from Trails from Zero than being a blood thirsty warrior from the original. This is also ruins Awakening story significantly as Walhart was based off of the original Alm. So SoV Alm doesn't make fucking sense lore-wise as there's logical way for Walhart to exist when Alm is a goody two-shoes. Celica is also extremely retarded now as she doesn't really think anymore. She even trusts a obvious evil purple man when in the original it's purely ambiguous if Jedah is evil or not. Everyone else becomes gimmicky one-note characters as shown Boey and Mae. >Gameplay and maps are still dogshit. Barely anything has improved while some things were made worse(Ring stats, addition of the emotional mechanic taken out of Persona 3, Arts being fucking broken). >The new characters are dogshit. Faye only exists to fulfill the girl cuck trope since the original was one of the rare FE titles that didn't have this, so they needed to fulfill this by making Faye. Berkut is okay but he adds literally nothing to the story and can be easily removed as he's never in any of the important moments in the story, even the one where you fight Rudolf.
>The DLC is a absolute scam. All of the DLC classes are only available at a certain high level where you already beaten the game once or twice, meaning you can't use them for interesting different playthroughs. The DLC character pack is nothing more than shitty Cipher shilling. No characters from FE1, FE3, or even characters like Berkut. Just some characters from a card game that's dead nowadays and nobody outside of Japan knows. >The designs are a downgrade from the original. Dyute is turned into a generic spiky tooth e-boi while Boey and Gray are black for no real reason. They also turned Nuibaba into shitty fanservice bait when she was a creepy looking witch in the original. >Various minor but significant issues. You cannot skip the credits for no reason. You could do that in Awakening and Fates, so why not SoV? The opening that shows Celica dying is a shitty pointless addition that adds nothing of value since it's quite obvious that she'll survive. Speaking of, Celica survival via is one of the worst plot excuses ever in a RPG. It's worse than how people survive in the Kiseki series despite being sliced and diced by literal serial killers. Lastly, the leaderboards is a pointless addition. Literally adds NOTHING to the game and is a major downgrade to Fates mycastle. >All of this was from a guy who claims FE2 was a part of his life when growing up.
Fuck Kenta Nakanishi. Fuck this fat fuck for doing one of the worst remakes seen in the modern century.
>Dyute is turned into a generic spiky tooth e-boi >They also turned Nuibaba into shitty fanservice bait when she was a creepy looking witch in the original
All opinions discarded.
Now I liked Echos a lot but I have to admit Alm clearly had a personality rewrite, sure there wasn't much there originally BUT could you Imagine remake Alm saying this line that they gave him in Awakening?
I'll say Echos is the superior way to play FE2, but It does have a less interesting Alm and Celica, I still like them but It's not really a comparison between the two versions of these characters.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
sacred echoes is the best way to play 2
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The only thing I ever hear about that rom is how it's ten times more gay, it doesn't help I see it shilled by the chud side of the FE E-celeb mess
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's a great hack, with the best presentation and animations in any romhack period. Don't know how Andaron morons think theirs is the best when Sacred Echoes has kino like this.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
A copy will never be kino. Andaron Saga may be flawed as fuck, but it has auteur vision like The Last Promise.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Andaron Saga is just some fanfic amalgamation of a Game of Thrones and Genealogy. It also wanted you to take it seriously while having absolute terrible fucking dialogue. It pales in comparison to the absolute unapologetic edge that is TLP. TLP will never be outdone because it comes from a bygone era of old internet authenticity
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
TLP is a solid 7/10 in every category and I'm tired of people insisting it's not worth a damn.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
whats tlp?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
TLP locking you out of convoy access until halfway through the game is fucking retarded though.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
holy fuck that's some good animation
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>final boss >28 hit, 27 dmg >gets doubled >"b-but the graphics"
who gives a fuck. sov is dogshit no matter how much lipstick you put on it
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I hate Gaiden with a passion but I gotta admit thats some high quality animation there, any more examples?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>by the chud side of the FE E-celeb mess
why do you even know what that is?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
because youtube recommendations exist and sometimes they send me shit that i never asked for.
Sometimes you watch 2 view tubers for fun then you discover "whoops, LGBT positive and a Mekkah Collab, I'm out of here."
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>sometimes they send me shit that i never asked for.
I guess thats true, I just have never personaly run into such things
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I am the odd man out but I still prefer Gaiden over Echoes. Echoes 3D dungeons and the way it does encounters is just really tedious for me. I never want to do Duma Tower and Duma Lair again. At least in the original you just go in, do some pre-set maps, and that's it. Don't have to deal with random enemies and long winding corridors.
>The DLC is a absolute scam. All of the DLC classes are only available at a certain high level where you already beaten the game once or twice, meaning you can't use them for interesting different playthroughs. The DLC character pack is nothing more than shitty Cipher shilling. No characters from FE1, FE3, or even characters like Berkut. Just some characters from a card game that's dead nowadays and nobody outside of Japan knows. >The designs are a downgrade from the original. Dyute is turned into a generic spiky tooth e-boi while Boey and Gray are black for no real reason. They also turned Nuibaba into shitty fanservice bait when she was a creepy looking witch in the original. >Various minor but significant issues. You cannot skip the credits for no reason. You could do that in Awakening and Fates, so why not SoV? The opening that shows Celica dying is a shitty pointless addition that adds nothing of value since it's quite obvious that she'll survive. Speaking of, Celica survival via is one of the worst plot excuses ever in a RPG. It's worse than how people survive in the Kiseki series despite being sliced and diced by literal serial killers. Lastly, the leaderboards is a pointless addition. Literally adds NOTHING to the game and is a major downgrade to Fates mycastle. >All of this was from a guy who claims FE2 was a part of his life when growing up.
Fuck Kenta Nakanishi. Fuck this fat fuck for doing one of the worst remakes seen in the modern century.
>The DLC is a absolute scam. All of the DLC classes are only available at a certain high level where you already beaten the game once or twice, meaning you can't use them for interesting different playthroughs. The DLC character pack is nothing more than shitty Cipher shilling. No characters from FE1, FE3, or even characters like Berkut. Just some characters from a card game that's dead nowadays and nobody outside of Japan knows. >The designs are a downgrade from the original. Dyute is turned into a generic spiky tooth e-boi while Boey and Gray are black for no real reason. They also turned Nuibaba into shitty fanservice bait when she was a creepy looking witch in the original. >Various minor but significant issues. You cannot skip the credits for no reason. You could do that in Awakening and Fates, so why not SoV? The opening that shows Celica dying is a shitty pointless addition that adds nothing of value since it's quite obvious that she'll survive. Speaking of, Celica survival via is one of the worst plot excuses ever in a RPG. It's worse than how people survive in the Kiseki series despite being sliced and diced by literal serial killers. Lastly, the leaderboards is a pointless addition. Literally adds NOTHING to the game and is a major downgrade to Fates mycastle. >All of this was from a guy who claims FE2 was a part of his life when growing up.
Fuck Kenta Nakanishi. Fuck this fat fuck for doing one of the worst remakes seen in the modern century.
We have officially hit peak tryhard contrainism
Jesus, and I thought the kaga fags were cringe
>look mom, now I'm being SUPER contrarian!
Anon, no one cares. No one finds you interesting. No one likes your rom hack. Sov was almost universally loved by the fe community. Disliking it does not make you special, merely a tryhard gay
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I never made a single romhack in my life besides changing some dialogue in FE9. >Sov was almost universally loved by the fe community. Disliking it does not make you special, merely a tryhard gay
There's tons of people that doesn't like SoV or find it one of the more weaker entries. Also fuck you, I literally played and BEATEN the original game before SoV was even announced in the FE direct. I'm complaining because of legitimate reasons than being some contrarian. Go fuck yourself.
Engage is a better game than Three Houses. >Sexy girls >Better character designs >Better animations and classes
The only drawback is chud localizers fucking it up but other than that, it's a good game.
>The only drawback is chud localizers fucking it up but other than that, it's a good game.
Sadly that’s nothing new with this or indeed any Japanese game franchise. That said I agree, it is a good game and continues the trend of good FE games. Hopefully it’s successor will do the same
Yet, despite being the most pre-ordered game in the franchise, it did less than half of the sales of Three Houses and outside of this echo-chamber is held in lower regards than it's predecessor. Shouldn't we try to learn from Engage blunders instead of deny and divert it's issues?
I think you're projecting, they objectively did. Look a sales, public reception and staying power in fan discourse, Engage has only been kept relevant through baiting and zealots exaggerating it's what boons it has like they were from the Axis Order
>public reception and staying power in fan discourse,
Roy, Marth and Ike are the most popular Lords in the series entirely because of Smash Bros publicity, which did not translate into sales for their games at all even as they've gotten constant pandering since Awakening
It's been trash since Fire Emblem 7 on GBA brought in a massive amount of western newfags into the series (most of which were retarded coomers lusting after Lyn because she doesn't wear pants for some reason) And it's all been downhill from there. FE was respectable before 7 but now it's just coomshit.
Three Houses. Honestly it's a fine game, and it's great it brought more players to the franchise, but people have such a hard on for it that you could split the fans into Three Houses fans and Fire Emblem fans. It sucks because people complain about Engage when Engage is more like previous Fire Emblem games than even Fates and Shadows of Valentina. Engage is very GBA-esqe. It doesn't have Tellius levels of story, but it has solid gameplay and again, a simple story like the GBA games.
Three Houses made every character "parent issues" and "emotional disorder" for personality types. Old FE characters were fairly quirky and weird. Some weirdly casual about life and others had more serious weight. Three Houses just tried to be too much and too serious, had terrible interactions with the characters, and the gameplay was meh, especially with everyone being Robin.
Engage is good. Not peak, but better than Three Houses, which is also fine. IS needs to be in charge of the home console entry that isn't a celebration game so we can get a Tellius level story that Three Houses wishes it could achieve, and map designs of previous games and Engage that again, Three Houses thought it could do. Koei Tecmo did alright with Three Houses, but they bit off more than they could chew.
Most of the supports still follow the camaraderie/romance/rivalry dynamic, I hate my dad is Felix’s thing (some of the others deal with father figures too but more stepping out of their shadow/coping with their lose than anything) and I was raped isn’t a thing at all
The Felix thing loops with the general theme of his class which is learning to accept laws and cope with a tragedy. In the case of Rodrigue and Ingrid, they both try to deify Glenn's death as a noble act. And paint a beautiful picture of a king who fell defending his king because that's what they need to do to cope. But to Felix (and Dimitri) this idea is insulting. How the fuck do you get murdered honorably? And why are you acting like Glenn's death was a good thing? Which, to a grieving person, makes Felix look like an asshole. And he is. But you can't say his line of thinking is incomprehensible.
I didn’t, but his hatred for his Dad is unjust. He clearly mourns his sons death but is at least proud he was resolute in his duty until the end. That Felix finds fault with that attitude is one thing but he goes as far as to claim his father didn’t care about Glenn at all and that is so divorced from the reality of things as to be delusional. He can disagree with the man and his own beliefs on the matter but he goes too far, which is intentional on the games part I’d wager
Hopes explains this:
Rodrigue: … I will not mince words. I too was mortified by Glenn's death. Yet he perished a hero. He chose that life for himself, and he chose that death. He fought to protect the future of Faerghus— and his friend— until his dying breath. As his father, I felt I had to acknowledge that choice.
Felix: And how are you so sure it was his choice? Neither of us really knows what he was thinking. The boar might have an inkling, but all he goes on about is how he caused Glenn's death.
Rodrigue: You're right— I don't know for certain. But I know what I would've done had I been there. And you, Felix? What would your choice have been? Would you have abandoned His Majesty to save yourself? Or would you have chosen to fight until death claimed you? I myself would've safeguarded His Majesty at all costs. I know that it wasn't in Glenn's nature to flee either.
Felix: It's always about courage or cowardice with you. I wouldn't have chosen anything. When your life's on the line, you don't have time to think about that stuff— only act. I would have fought with my own will, in whatever way I thought best— and I would've made sure we both survived.
Rodrigue: You always want to have it both ways. Still, I take pride in that determination of yours. Had I been there, I doubt I could've summoned the resolve to strive for such a victory. More likely, I would've been satisfied merely to die in the defense of my liege.
Felix: I can understand that way of thinking. In fact, I always have. But I still couldn't stomach Glenn's death being glorified.
Rodrigue: And I'm sorry for that, Felix. Truly.
Felix: It's all right. And...I'm glad we talked. Also, you said we shouldn't leave regrets behind, so... I'm sorry too. For hitting you back then, I mean. I'm sorry...Father.
Rodrigue: You know, I'd almost forgotten about that! It hurt, too— more than any blow I've received in battle.
Felix: Oh, shut up. I said I was sorry.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I really wish this talk would have happened in the prior game. Because yes Faerghus chivalry does divide everything into bravery or cowardice
>Dimitri: In that wasteland, there were no beautiful, proud deaths that could have been written about in heroic tales. Not one. I do not want you to die a death like that. Not even for the sake of loyalty or duty. >Ingrid: A king must, at times, order his soldiers and knights to fight and die on his behalf. Their lives must be used for the greater good—this is something any good king understands innately. Any king who doesn't allow people to die on his behalf is too soft to rule well.
But Felix IS being unreasonable as well. Glenn's death isn't just a data point you can just brush to the side. Even if you don't know what his last moments looked like, it's not a sin to hope that your son at least was able to put on a brave face in the worst situation that ever happened in their lives. Felix doesn't have to like it but he shouldn't shit on his father for wanting to believe that either
>simple story like the GBA games
engage story is simple but BAD coupled with extremely cringe dialogue, GBA FE didn't have that
You're both right in various ways. The problem isn't that engages story is simplistic, the problem is presentation. Art aesthetic aside the fact that engage operates on stronger hardware and therefore can have actual scenes only highlights the absurdity of Fire Emblem structure. For example an MC losing a parent at the start of the game is not new. In Sacred Stones your dad dies before chapter 1. But the problem is how drawn out and dramatic it is. Lumera's death and final words last 5 minutes. Your switch will threaten to go to sleep before the scene ends. And I don't think this scene is intended to be ironic. There's no humor here. Alear's face twists in horror even though he has no idea who this chick is. Framme frantically tries to use healing magic on her to no avail. Vander looks in shock as he realizes he failed his mission. It's all so dramatic and yet so goofy at the same time. Not goofy in a funny way. Goofy in a, this scene is incompetent, way. And this sort of thing happens over and over throughout the game. If engage were presented as portraits talking to one another then there would be enough abstraction for no one to pay any mind. But it had to be on the Switch. Which is capable of making scenes.
For me it's the characters.
I don't mind simple stories, not every game needs to be "deep". But shit like " THE DIVINE DRAGON LOOKED AT ME" or Alcryst jumping like he's on the moon to grovel are just embarrassing to watch.
It gets a bit better later on, but it's too little and too late.
For me it's the characters as well but also the world itself. The story is so focused on you that it ignores the rest of the cast. Like think about this for a second: Ivy was the first of her nation to worship the Divine Dragon. Granted she was doing it to be an edgy contrarian but she at least identified that there was nothing to be gained by serving the Fell Dragon. But she also has the social skills of a raccoon and struggles to interact with people. Hortensia, her sister, pushes herself to be extroverted and stand out because she's a bastard daughter of the king. No one in her court respects her or her common blood so she has to put in effort to be considered a royal. They are the enemy for the first quarter of the game. Her father killed Diamant's. Alcryst explicitly does not trust Ivy after that. And Ivy has to answer for her nation since she inherited it after her father's death. Imagine how many character moments can be gleaned from that premise. Like imagine a version of Engage where Ivy wants to be accepted by the crew. But everyone distrusts her, especially Alcryst, and Ivy doesn't have the necessary charisma to convince them. But Hortensia does and she gives a real, legitimate case about how worthy Ivy is, how she's always been different from her peers, and why Ivy should be a true member of Alear's pantheon. And Ivy, being able to speak through action, proves herself, and THEN the Elusians are more accepted. With maybe one or two supports showing Alcryst thawing towards them and everyone looking to understand them.
Maybe that's too much? But I would have appreciated one or two more character moments than none at all
>Ivy was the first of her nation to worship the Divine Dragon. Granted she was doing it to be an edgy contrarian but she at least identified that there was nothing to be gained by serving the Fell Dragon.
i dont think this is true considering the fact that they had emblem rings most likely given to them by lumera herself
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I guess I should clarify that she's the first of the current generation of Elusians to worship the Divine Dragon. Hyacinth started gargling on Sombron's evil cum and everyone followed along so Ivy deciding she doesn't want to do that makes her an outlier.
Nothing was more funny seeing FE and Xeno fags getting angry that they didn't get any attention in the direct.
Like c'mon, you just had XC3 DLC and Engage.
You're not getting anything for awhile now.
Because FE fans are divided by old fans and new fans and it's more of a elitist circlejerk. I hate 3H a fuck ton and also the 3DS games except Echoes but even then I admit that's how it is. Basically you have to hate the new games and specially if they are popular. Even though the new new games suck dick. Except Echoes.
Most long running franchises that have a radical transformation in the style/tone of the games have this. Sonic and Castlevania are two other examples off the top of my head where two or more generations of fans are constantly at each other's throats.
Engage. People are more desperate for FE4R a few months after Engage than there were for the entire three year 3H era. Engage leaves you feeling empty and desiring a fulfilling FE game.
you like posting about video games more than playing them
Someday you'll play a pre-Awakening game. Someday.
tellius is terrible and so is pretty much everything kaga has ever been involved in
FE5 has better gameplay, conquest maps are mostly gimmicky and ninjas are just cancer. Doesn't help that the story is offensively bad either. It's still probably the most enjoyable of the three though Birthright is the only one you can play through without at least one element of the game being ridiculously awful.
Awakening is the last game with good female designs. But the over-focus on waifus is also the biggest problem. Now the designs are shit (Engage sucks dick) and the gameplay has been ignored.
It depends on the map, there's usually risk associated with just airdropping a unit to a boss that is usually surrounded with enemies. Sure, the people who do it will probably have autistically planned it out so that they know it's mostly safe, but the same is true of the map in general with those kinds of players unless they are doing 0% growths or something. They'll know how to do the map properly so there won't be any real risk there either.
Pokémon is the highest grossing franchise of all time and has a million unique designs, Fire Emblem is a niche strategy game for weebs where every character is an anime palette swap.
>crys about waifus >has an entire lyn dump thread
make it make sense >inb4 I meant the maps
then explain why a game like genealogy gets treated like the 2nd coming of Christ
I think there was a way to skip opening the doors so all the reinforcements are locked out of your boss fight, letting you take all the time you want without having to feel swamped.
The fundamental issue with it is that it's not really designed like a fire emblem game. Resource management basically doesn't exist. Whether it's exp, weapons, promotions or whatever, they're all basically unlimited. Even level cap doesn't really exist. This means the game ends up being more like disgaea where the appeal is minmaxing the fuck out of everyone and making broken loadouts to deal with the very difficult endgame/dlc stuff, but otherwise the game is just rubbing numbers against each other in big blobs of units. It's genuinely designed to have a more casual appeal from the gameplay and isn't like fire emblem at all. Even core fire emblem stuff that drive most of the discussion like classes/growths/bases don't exist because every single character is more or less as viable as each other because you can just grind them forever and they can all max stats/class change to a degree. This is especially true if you include children.
The other side of it is that it introduced a jarring change of tone in character writing style and more generally, but I won't go into that because you still genuinely getting people arguing that FE1-12 weren't any different in character writing/tone to this game which has been discussed to death even if it is in my opinion totally ridiculous and obviously untrue.
This game is good and a nice love letter to the series. But it started a lot of the cancerous rot by inviting personatards into the fanbase. Still it has some really awesome characters and designs. Lucina and Robin are great. This and Echoes are the only good games since it came out.
>crys about waifus >has an entire lyn dump thread
make it make sense >inb4 I meant the maps
then explain why a game like genealogy gets treated like the 2nd coming of Christ
Guess me and this anon are the only Andaron Saga appreciators, I don’t get the Ganker hate for it, and it shows how great Fire Emblem could be when made with love and passion. But hey I’m stopping the people in this thread from doing pic related
I like Andaron saga but I don't like it when the devs take the piss like rewarding you with an incredible tome for not leveling up Aylanda, and making Thea shit on purpose and giving her mocking buffs
the game balance is honestly almost perfect but then you really do have certain character's that feel completely pointless or mean spirited from a gameplay AND a story perspective, there's a difference between a joke character and an awful one, which they managed to do with Buggi so I don't know why shitter's like Ralfnar, Elmer, and Thea feel like in-jokes.
he can be worth something but he just doesn't have anything unique going for him, I will admit his Estelle support is adorable but he feels like a half assed joke character
It's funny because a big chunk of the beta testers or more advanced players hate Buggi, even though he's a pretty solid unit despite being a retarded meme. Mangs went on the record for saying he wanted some units to be shit on purpose. Which translates to about half the growth units getting overshadowed by the busted prepromotes like Varg and Helga.
Buggi was by far the worst unit on my team but he still put in good work, I don't mind him since it's clear he's meant to be a clown, Like Barzelhen in VS2 or whatever his name is
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
i've used elmer a few times in my all secret objectives runs which i always reset 2/3s into the game to play build autism his niche is being an early mage with actual con and bulk, so he can comfortably use elfire and nosferatu. he'll always be a little coinflippy with those growths, but he's easy to fix with weird sage and has a lot of options in his promo gains. for this one i regret going sage, the promo bonuses are insane but i could've went for the higher mage knight caps and mov instead. he can also always pivot into staffbotting if his growths don't work out, which helga and darius can't do, or go for physical hits and take good advantage of weapon triangle. his luck is also really solid. if the devs set out to make him bad, or even middling, they fucked up imo
It's funny because a big chunk of the beta testers or more advanced players hate Buggi, even though he's a pretty solid unit despite being a retarded meme. Mangs went on the record for saying he wanted some units to be shit on purpose. Which translates to about half the growth units getting overshadowed by the busted prepromotes like Varg and Helga.
His dad tried to rape his step-sister to produce Crest babies. He was an extremely sensitive child, and his emotional trauma made the Death Knight manifest to justify the murder. The Death Knight wants to kill, not innocent Emile, and Emile is “noble” for suppressing that monster as much as possible.
His dad tried to rape his step-sister to produce Crest babies. He was an extremely sensitive child, and his emotional trauma made the Death Knight manifest to justify the murder. The Death Knight wants to kill, not innocent Emile, and Emile is “noble” for suppressing that monster as much as possible.
House Bartels was an Empire noble house that somehow found out Mercedes and her mom had the Crest of Lamine. So Lord Bartels married Mercedes's mother. Not because he loved her but because he wanted to fuck her and get crest babies out of her. Making Emile Bartels Mercedes's half brother. Mercedes's mother got sick of the abuse and decided to run to the Kingdom. Cornelia and Anselma ran to the kingdom too. So did House Rowe. Why does everyone escape to there? Emile volunteered to stay behind, saying that if the mom stole Lord Bartels's noble heir that he'd hunt her and Mercedes down. So they left Emile behind and escaped to a priory in Faerghus. But House Bartels found them anyway and the mom was too old to bear anymore children. So Lord Bartels declared he'd fuck Mercedes and get more children out of her now that she's of age. Emile was so enraged that he killed his father, butchered his family, and burned down his House. This is where the Death Knight personality was born. Emile developed a split personality that needed to kill.
As he wandered he bumped into Edelgard. Edelgard was impressed with his strength, so she erased his past, gave him a new name (Jeritza), and inserted him into a new house, House Hyrm. She gave him hunting grounds where he could pacify his need to kill while he acted as a teacher within Garreg Mach until she needed him. But no one imagined his half sister would've also enrolled as a student there.
Leaned way to much into the persona fandom, three houses was shit because the majority of the game was running around and talking to NPCs on a school ground playing harry potter professor simulator while having highly questionable relationships with underage characters.
To little focusing on combat, to much focusing on shipping bullshit.
>protected Jugdral from being dishonored by IS and chudhouse >makes FEtubers work the nightshift at the local Waffle House after taking away their only meal ticket >/feg/ has the gull to complain
Apologize to him. Apologize to him RIGHT FUCKING NOW.
I hope this franchise falls on death's door again, FE fans don't deserve anything. Most people don't even like this series, they just like a handful of games.
All good fanbases are like that. What you don't want is to end up like Mario fans or whatever where you gladly eat up whatever slop you're giving. Classic 2D Mario fans will never get a real classic style game ever again, while the 2D Sonic fans did because they bitched and moaned until they did. Hardcore fans being vocal is a good thing, because otherwise the voice of the casuals win out and then it just becomes a matter of rounding the edges/casualising at all costs to broaden the market, ruining the series.
Obviously not a classic style 2D game, in the same vein that the NSMB games weren't. No one thinks Wonder is targeted at SMB3/SMW fans, it's targeted at the mass market because the actual hardcore fans just ate up whatever got given to them and never complained even though everyone knew NSMB games were ass compared to the originals and don't even get challenging until the second to last world in every single game.
People only pretend to like Fire Emblem because it’s on Nintendo and gets a shitload of characters in Smash , I guarantee you if it weren’t on Nintendo, no one would give a Pikachu’s ass about it
This is what killed it for me, i really tried to enjoy the game but HOLY FUCK, i thought 3 Houses was bad with dialog jesus fucking Christ, Triangle Strategy is like reading a god damn Tolkin novel.
It's primarily a story game. I won't say the gameplay takes a backseat but it is at least as prioritized as the game. I like that and when I was playing Tactics Ogre the story was like my reward for winning a map, but for people who don't find it interesting I doubt they'll be able to tolerate it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It's primarily a story game.
Which i think is fine, but thats not really what it was marketed as, and since its all text based at that point, just make it a fucking book.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>and since its all text based at that point, just make it a fucking book.
Why do people say this, think for five seconds if a story based video game is a remotely equivalent experience to reading a book. I refuse to believe anyone who actually reads would ever use this 'if I wanted a story I'd read a book' line. Even VNs offer significantly different experiences to books and you couldn't just replace one with the other.
Why don't the nips ever ask actual English speakers if an English title sounds good before using it? This, Octopath Traveler, Triangle Strategy. All awful titles.
Can't wait for what will effectively be 13 Sentinels 2 where it's hours of talking followed by a somewhat interesting combat system that is made irrelevant by how easy the levels are.
>play gba games growing up >these are good >play 3ds games in college >oh I like these >REEEEE ALL THOSE GAMES ARE SHIT PLAY A REAL FE GAME LIKE 776 OR SHADOW DRAGON >go and play them >they're shit
I learned to stop trusting the fe community a long time ago. The only people with worse taste are the smt community
Edelgard is racist towards dragons, Claude is initially racist to Fodla-jin (despite his own heritage) but mellows out. Dimitri isn’t racist at all and wouldn’t advocate for anyone to be either and the Church of Seiros is very much the same
Not in racial cleansing fashion no but you can side with the Church and bring an end to the conflict by effectively subjugating the other factions after the war has left them in tatters. You also get to kill the not-garden gnomes manipulating things behind the scenes with the option to wed and bed mommy/daughter/grandma dragon-pope voiced by Kikuko Inoue and become God-Emperor of mankind so that’s what I did
Verdant Wind if you believe people can be racist towards whites. Silver Snow if you believe supremacy is a form of racism. Azure Moon if you never, ever let Ingrid support with Dedue.
Sothis makes me irrationally angry because I love her design, voice and character outline but she's the biggest case of wasted potential in all of Fire Emblem if not all vidya. She has tons of unused data and voice lines and it's obvious she was planned to have a route where she's revived, but instead all that got scrapped for Edeltard garbage and she's literally written out of the second half.
While it doesn’t bother me as deeply I agree it feels like a waste, and that muso does nothing to address how little screen time she got is another issue. I honestly was looking forward to fourway supports between Shez and Larva vs Bereto/su and Sothis and we were robbed once again
Fire Emblem never evolved. It was a novel gameplay system when it first released an eternity ago, but it is now a mobile tier game masquerading as a full console game. The story will never be meaningful again since all anyone cares about is fucking their waifu and callbacks to previous games, the gameplay itself is stuck 30 years in the past, and there's nothing to even look forward to
i'll tell you, and Ganker will hate me and disagree but deep down you all know it's the truth.
Removing the making children and having them as future units mechanic has hurt the latest fire emblem games.
One of the best parts was having your units become a family have sex and have children.
I don't like it because I don't want to pair any of the girls with any of the men other than me. Just find a different interesting way to put additional units in the game.
Awakening happened and it was incredibly obvious they were throwing out the strategy RPG part and shifting it to a porn series, and sure enough next game they include a mode for you to grope your characters back at base.
I wish they would fully embrace the porn series. I want to see character having sex on screen. I want clothing damage in combat. I want tits everywhere. Rosado should've been a futa.
I could make the best FE game if I wasn't a computer retard. The tricky thing is that Engage costs $60, and I would feel obligated to make a 60-hour FE game (1 hour of single player per 1 dollar spent on a game), and considering how much FE4's maps filtered people, I doubt that I could get a pass on creating 20 3-hour maps...
I don't want my text to sound like I'm being critical. Did that also include time in the monastery/whatever Engage calls it? I don't think romhacks are at a point where they can work with anything that isn't the GBA games, so having "filler" between maps seems nigh impossible.
No. Everything needing to be bleeding edge next gen graphics while also catering to every single person on the planet (read: lowest common denominator) because of sunken cost fallacy and justifying all of the time wasted on pointless drivel like character customization because "THINK OF HOW BIG THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT WILL BE" is why most games are shit now.
It's that plus adding in hours of pointless nothing to pad it out so it will feel "worth it" to idiots. If you meant 60 hours of real content I'd be on board but considering that you consider the monastery and somniel to count as filling up the runtime
I don't want my text to sound like I'm being critical. Did that also include time in the monastery/whatever Engage calls it? I don't think romhacks are at a point where they can work with anything that isn't the GBA games, so having "filler" between maps seems nigh impossible.
FE4 isnt even a good game, I was so bored of it that I had to tackle one map per day not to feel the burnout of such a boring slog. Just as I thought Seliph's part of the story was gonna pick up the pace since it started with a smaller map, I get immediately told right after that no, these boring sluggish maps ARE gonna be the default of this game. Then the game doubles down on the amount of enemies to get your units levelled up and promoted ASAP because they gotta wrap up the game in 6 more maps, a fucking travesty. Genealogy's pacing is all over, everyone is doing themselves a huge disservice for playing this crap instead of a better Fire Emblem game.
I said my piece.
Fire Emblem games are at their best in my opinion when they're a little shorter, 20-30 hours or so, with high replayability.
You don't want to stretch maps out too much or else they become a slog.
>Game was intentionally designed to be nearly impossible to play without a official guide
Yikes
>some of the worst designed, unfun maps in the series >broken mechanics that make the game unfun to play and incentivize skipping whenever possible because the game is just that awful >Enemy placement is "archer corridors"
no.
Get good, gays. I've beat the game twice with no guide and no warp staff skips. Thracia is the best game in the series and it's not even close.
>some of the worst designed, unfun maps in the series >broken mechanics that make the game unfun to play and incentivize skipping whenever possible because the game is just that awful >Enemy placement is "archer corridors"
no.
>MC that has character that interacts with the entire cast
this killed the integrity of the series >silent MC stand in for the player that warps allegiances of characters wordlessly and women are interested in him for existing
ah now THIS is REAL FIRE EMBLEM
The 3ds was the perfect platform for fe due to the 2 screens and the mix of pixel and 3d graphics
Fittingly it received the best fe game in terms of gameplay (conquest) and the best fe in terms of art and presentation (Sov)
In addition you can use the 3ds to play nearly every game that came out before it as well as translations and hacks
You know this is one thing I do miss on Engage, despite its good gameplay I really was a big fan of the 2D sprites in 3D environment that transitions into 3D battles kind of gimmick, for some reason the 3D FE games feel all sluggish by nature and I cant put my finger on as to why that is
My biggest problem with using the full 3D models of every character on the map screen is that it makes the classes and characters hard to distinguish based on sight and it's a lot less clean than what the 3DS games were doing.
They wrote the best girl out of the game half way through, that's what.
Also reminder that Engage's story is much better than Fates and even fairly good on its own merits.
the hate for engage's narrative is overblown. it's literally just youtubers mad they can't farm content out of the mental illnesses of everyone involved.
There was far less cringe in fates than engage imo
Engage is more embarrassing but makes sense while conquests story is just convoluted and poorly written
I dropped this game on the dragon escape map because I was quite bored of it, I get why people hate Buggi and Natalie and Thea and Fred but what about Estelle makes her a least favorite? She didnt come off as annoying as the other up to the point I was at.
He is unironically a great lord: not too overpowered or gifted with bullshit Mary Sue powers, not some super chad but not too much of a pushover in the story.
Im not going to even bother giving you the (you) but Larachels alternate dialogue with ephraim after chapter 19 if tana is dead is genuinely better than everything from kekquest and engage
>nooooo it completely makes up for everything that comes before and after it just let a character die on purpose in Seth Emblem those two lines are sooooo deep
again, cope
That seems to be the problem isn't it? Engage is great gameplay-wise but in terms of plot (and writing of the cast) it just doesn't have the staying power 3H has.
it's a problem if your favorite part of fire emblem is not playing fire emblem and getting into circular arguments and circular jerk sessions on the internet about continuity that never comes up in the next game. as a game to just play every once in a while and not make your personality revolve around it's pretty good
the problem is that fire emblem has always had mediocre gameplay
the only reason to play it is the plot and characters
without that there's a billion better SRPG's out there
>fire emblem has always had mediocre gameplay
SHUT THE FUCK UP. YOU DON'T LIKE FIRE EMBLEM. GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY THREAD. STOP COMING HERE.
Name them. Do it.
The problem is with the presentation, script and plot. The character design direction doesn't help either, specially what they did with the MC, but I'm sure there's a good game buried underneath and it will get a cult following later. Also the fact that the community it garnered not only shits on the previous much more successful (saleswise) game but they also play this on emulators and Engage popularity won't be reflected on sales
Alear has better character design than Byleth
Then why did Engage repelled 60% of the audience gathered by Three Houses?
most 3h fans aren't fire emblem fans
Keep coping with that
Out of the modern games the one with the worst character design sold best (3H) while the one of the best sold worst (Echoes) so clearly there's more factors at play here
I think fates looks better but id agree with 3h being the worst looking fe game
>Out of the modern games the one with the worst character design sold best (3H)
>worst character design
Comparing character design, palette, ambient and setting what games have the most in common? 3H-SoV or E-SoV? I'm curious to see how far gone are people in here...
Imo color wise SoV and 3H, but I don't feel like that works because Engage is very bright where both of the others use a more muted tone. Design-wise Engage and SoV are more similar since characters have unique armor and designs instead of what 3H does. Characters are very unique in appearance in SoV and Engage, but faces and personalities blend hard in 3H.
Best take ever on character designs
Ite sad how badly this game mogs every other FE game simce the 3DS on. And its a faithful remake of one of the worst FEs. Shows how far the series has fallen.
are you that hungry for (you)s?
I genuinely cannot fathom how they looked at decades of improvement against Gaiden's maps and said "we're not going to change anything." I know people get weird when it comes to remakes and about them being faithful. But they remade Fire Emblem 1 twice and made sure to bring QoL improvements to those. Why not do it with Gaiden?
Because they knew they would fuck it up. Echoes has better maps than cumquest or three turds
This, and I say that as a fan
I guess I'm retroactively a Three Houses fan but not one of Fire Emblem since I don't like the last entry... then again, I was a Final Fantasy fan before FF10 and a Metal Gear fan before MGSV
Fire Emblem... Fire Emblem has changed...
Engage just felt kind of bare. There's so few weapon types and enemy types. They could have added a few more tomes, maybe a second type of dragon enemy and a differentiate corrupted from regular soldiers in some way (I know they did this a bit in xenologue)
Everyone keeps saying Engage had great gameplay but shitty everything else. Where does this come from? Its gameplay is middle-of-the-pack at best. It's really not that good.
Emblems were somewhat interesting and unique and it returns to more normal Fire Emblem gameplay aside from emblems after how different Echoes and Three Houses were. Great is definitely an exaggeration but I can see why people who preferred the older games would like it more than Three Houses.
>Everyone keeps saying Engage had great gameplay
>Where does this come from? Its gameplay is middle-of-the-pack at best
This, but Conquest.
B-b-but Port Dia?
What games are better than it and why?
Legitimately what game is better than Engage gameplay-wise? the only one that comes to mind is Conquest, nothing really comes close to Engage in gameplay otherwise.
I think FE fanbase are just brainmelted gachafags who only care about waifus at this point. Diofeld and Triangle Strategy were better sRPGs than Engage
>Diofield
I get why people didn’t care for it but I loved it even if it was piss-easy. I just loved playing as a mercenary band that actually acted like mercenaries and Inorin was clearly having a blast as pic related
>Diofeld
One of the most garbage SRPGs I've ever tried.
>Triangle Strategy
I liked it but it's also too wordy. I don't think it's more fun than Engage gameplaywise but it sure is a lot more respectable, good characters decent story.
Anon, I did ALL routes for Triangle Strategy, and while the story is nice, and I appreciate every single character having its own gimmick, its just not the same appeal as Fire Emblem and I wouldnt compare it to Engage in any way. I love both games and they play vastly different to each other.
You’re both right. Fuck those games are overrated
what games are better than them?
Anything
why are you guys so afraid to give your actual opinion?
fpbp
engage is such a let down. the mc is the cringest looking chud in the series, the combat looks like a mobile port visually, characters arent interesting. how do you mess up a winning formula like 3h.
Because they didn’t make 3H, they outsourced it so they could make Engage
If were talking about the story, no they didnt. The only route's story that was outsourced was Blue Lions, everything else was IS's doing.
You got it wrong, IS only worked on Silver Snow's plot. Everything else that came after was KT's work
False, Crimson was worked alongside Silver Snow, IS did both, and Claude's route is just Silver Snow copypasted so its pretty much IS's work
>Silver Snow
>crimson flower
am i supposed to know what these are?
Church and Edel's route, does that make it easier for ya?
>IS made the shittiest routes
Wowie-zowie! No wonder everyone wants KT to take the helm!
Even Blue Lions route has its narrative issues but it made the clever decision of ignoring TWSITD and focused on the characters pertaining to the house itself, that was a good choice despite the fact that its counter intuitive to the FE series and you might not ever experience this stuff in other games due to permadeath.
Engage. Just replay 3H again.
>Just replay 3H again.
Love and kill her again and again...
3H really ended up being one of my favorite games of all time
>imagine
How the fuck did 3H fumble so hard with her
The Moment it became a dating simulator, and waifufagging shilling game
Except that shit is arguably what saved it and trying to distance from those things is what killed it now. Stop pretending like anybody cared about GBA Fire Emblem.
>Stop pretending like anybody cared about GBA Fire Emblem.
Plenty of people cared newfag.
>trying to distance from those things is what killed it now
Three Houses is the best-selling game in the series and Engage is on pace to sell roughly as much as Fates/Awakeing
A lot of people care, you dumb numbskull, GBA FE It's what ultimately brought the franchise out of obscurity
Just because the games were getting released in english doesn't mean it was "out of obscurity". They openly admitted Fire Emblem was gonna die if Awakening (aka the waifu simulator you GBA gays bitch about) didn't sell the way it did.
>GBA FE It's what ultimately brought the franchise out of obscurity
No, that was Smash Bros
Marth's game on the DS fucking bombed so hard they didn't even bring the sequel over, they put everything they had left into Awakening and it worked
I cared about GBA fire emblem you subhuman trash
Nah. I played 3H and the dating sim aspects are honestly fine. The real problems with the modern games are the absolutely HORRENDOUS writing. The world building is atrocious, the characters are less then two-dimensional caricatures, etc. The writing is just really, REALLY, bad. Old FE wasn't the best writing but at least the characters took themselves seriously and the worlds were interesting. Modern FE is a JOKE. Awakening, Fates, Engage... all complete shit. 3H, like the old games wasn't amazing, but the world building was pretty good, as were the characters.
>old FE worlds were interesting
no they fucking weren't
They were. The SNES games and PoR in particular. Even the NES and GBA games had better world building than Fates or Engage and Awakening, which was based on the same world was worse in that aspect. The modern writers are bad at their job. Period.
yeah dude the great writing of snes emblem, like when manfroy and ishtar couldnt hear the fucking prison break happening right outside the room they were scheming in. 'oldfag' my fucking ass. keep posting this shit for another year instead of actually playing fire emblem
None of those posts were by me. Nice to see someone agrees with me though.
I legitimately have no idea what you're talking about or what that word even means. Modern FE writing is just bad, you dumb schizo.
>Modern
? Is Awakening not considered modern now or something?
What would you call it?
Awakening, Fates, and Engage is what I am referring to. The new-ish games with the awful writing and completely different style to the older/classic style games.
7 also has terrible writing
Sure. But Awakening, Fates, and Engage are on another level. And it's not just the writing it's the entire style of the newer games. The characters aren't even to be taken seriously in these modern FE games. I hate it.
>Serra and Florina don't count because...
>Bartre is actually a more grounded and serious character because...
Would you have a nice day if you saw Maerchen in Tear Ring Saga, Arden in fe4, or Xane in fe3?
Not him and I agree to an extent but it isn't that 7's writing is bad (it's probably the best of the GBA games for characters and the writing itself which is why the characters are so well liked), the problem is that it is a terrible prequel to FE6 and the actual storyline is bad, tying in very poorly with FE6 and elements of it not making much sense (though this is made worse with translation issues making some important parts of the story unclear in the English version).
But again, in general I think the character/scenario writing is very strong in FE7 which is why most people get through the game without ever realizing how bad the actual main story is.
>n, in general I think the character/scenario writing is very strong in FE7 which is why most people get through the game without ever realizing how bad the actual main story is.
nah you guys just played it as a kid so you had no problem wth it
Again, you do not know me and I'm an anonymous poster so you cannot know this. I don't know why that is so hard for you to grasp. I did an iron man run of both FE7 and 8 within the last 6 months or so. I know the game. The character writing is good and at the very least no worse than FE8, while FE6 has a lot of very barebones characterisation with Roy basically being a non-character who exists for other characters to bounce exposition off of, typically saying stuff like 'Who are you?' and 'We must hurry!' in the main, while Eliwood/Hector/Lyn are much more developed in comparison.
i find it funny how nobody said how FE7 writing was bad until that moron mekkah made a video series about it
It really doesn't and you're being psyopped by e-celebs looking to chase some clout and make a name for themselves by mocking (what was then) one of the most popular fe titles.
Awakening is older now than the GBA games were when Awakening came out.
That doesn't matter, there was a very clear change in the way FE games were designed from Awakening onwards and Awakening was also the game that boosted the series into the mainstream. So it's completely fair to make the distinction between pre-Awakening games and post-Awakening games. There's a clear line that every person can see.
awakening is more similar to gaiden and genealogy than it is fates
You're going to have to explain that one
Awakening has more in common with what came before than what came after. But Awakening sold so well because of what was new, the way supports worked, that those became the main focus of later games.
>none of the posts with the same image hash, same filename, and bitching about the same stupid shit are from me
i believe that youre genuinely dumb enough to play these games for the worldbuilding now and this isnt just a nostalgiatard thing
You will never be Japanese.
???
I don't want to be Japanese. I want better writing in my FE games. Awakening will never be a well written game with good characters, gay.
You see Japanese people criticizing Komuro online and you want to be cool like them, so you imitate them. It's pathetic. No one gives a fucking shit who writes video games.
Anon, that poster is anonymous. You know absolutely nothing about him and what he thinks beyond a few random sentences in a few posts ITT. We all know that you cannot possibly know the things you're claiming to about the poster and it just comes across as ranting. Calm the retardation.
why is this post glowing
A schizo too, shocker
Retarded cunt – fuck off – from me fuck! I no longer accommodate you: the profoundly unintelligent rabble. I no longer tolerate your babble, retarded cunt.
>state an obvious fact in an attempt to cause offence or insult
You can tell this post’s by a chud from the mindset needed to think this would shatter anyone’s identity
>waifufagging shilling game
so fire emblem was never good?
Awakening turned it into a fucking dating simulator. The avatar self insert characters are cancer to story telling cause they always win and never suffer any real set backs.
They should return to the GBA support system: limited, flavorful and marginally advantageous
>dating simulator
FE4 did that years ago.
The FE series peaked on the 3DS.
Fates let you have MALE PEGASUS KNIGHTS!!!
Also the models and animations looked really cool.
But the gameplay wasn't too great. Maybe I just suck, but there wasn't a lot of "tactic" in my opinion.
You disgust me
In retrospect sometimes is better to let the things you love die with dignity...
This guy gets it!
As they always say, You either die a hero with dignity or live long enough to self insert and date fictional characters, head rubbing, running around a harry potter monastery or cleaning rings
I hope you die alone and unloved.
DS*
The DS game didn't exist; they not canon with reality
How the fuck was Marth's game so unpopular though? And on Nintendo's best selling console of all time, no less.
You're right, but it was an inverse peak.
Glad we're past that dark age.
This anon is correct
Wrong.
i agree echoes is the peak of Fire Emblem
What’s the best 3DS FE game? I’m finna emulate one
Echoes
General opinion is that Conquest has the worst Narrative of them all but also has the best game play of them all
FE5 has better gameplay, conquest maps are mostly gimmicky and ninjas are just cancer. Doesn't help that the story is offensively bad either. It's still probably the most enjoyable of the three though Birthright is the only one you can play through without at least one element of the game being ridiculously awful.
The 3DS era was a nadir.
The worst games in the franchise carried by the fact the series was actually advertised for once.
Then 3H came out and exposed how shit they were. Then Engage came out and tried to be a new version of the 3DS era and failed because 3H had already shown people how shit the 3DS games actually were. The moment somebody plays a game prior to Awakening or after SoV they stop liking the 3DS games because they see how genuinely inferior they are to anything else in the franchise.
conquest is the best game in the series and even awakening is better than 3h,geneology,echoes,por and rd
Someday you'll play a pre-Awakening game. Someday.
Already did, conquest is still the best.
I have
I have played every fe game and numerous fan mods and conquest is still the best on a gameplay and map design level. Sov has the absolute best art, music, and general design in the series and arguably the best story despite Celica being a fucking retard
The gba games are good, the ds games are ok, tharacia and genealogy are the most overrated shit on planet earth that tryhards always claim to be their favorites to be le different, kagas non-fe games are forgettable and average, Gaiden was made completely irrelevant by sov, don't really care much for 3h or engage for very different reasons
They hated him because he told the truth.
Conquest isnt enough to carry how dogshit the rest of the 3DS FE games are, even if Conquest is probably one if not the best FE game ever made.
True
Conquest, sov, and even awakening are great.
But birthright is fucking terrible, maybe the worst fe game
Op has always sucked cocks.
>What went wrong
Nothing
>tfw big bro Mark is out surfing again
They have toyed with the formula only three times in this franchise's miserable history, FE2, 4 and 16.
Like everything, anime. But everyone is a goddamn coomer now, so the general populace excuses it because "yay, cum!".
FE was anime from the very start
Yeah but now its like SAO and Guilty Crown
I didn't know FE was VR kino.
not an inherent problem
>But everyone is a goddamn coomer now
shut your dumb ass up
>Lyn eliminated that early
As if I needed more evidence that the FE fanbase always had shit tastes.
Priscilla of all characters is in the lead, 2005 tastes are just wild as fuck compared to now
>Lyn, Serra, and Nino eliminated
Garbage taste.
Dragon feet in my mouth.
I agree with these posters
I love her fat thighs and hips in this image so much.
What were they thinking?
They know e-boicons are the most loyal customers.
The hand looks like shit. Who the fuck drawed this? Kusakihara the same hack who drawed 3H portraits?
I don't care about any of that. I want Sothis to live rent free in my head so I can have lucid sex with her every moment.
Ntr smile....
You are mentally ill.
Why did Intelligent Systems feel the need to make dragons so erotic in these games?
To make you want to have sex with them
They (we) all love little (dragon) girls
>oldfag larper seethe thread
delicious
What was Nintendo thinking not showing Genealogy? It at least would’ve been something, not “We got nothing LOL” the direct.
Worshipping dragon feet.
Holy based. I love Kurosawa's voice.
Who doesn’t?
God, I wish she could speak sensually directly into my head.
Being bound together as two people with one soul who will tread an existence beyond even the shackles of death and time evermore would be divine
i think intelligent systems should never make a fire emblem ever again, and that worthless studio should probably close down
Okay
>Makes not FE game now
Nice try
>engage
Good
>3h
Alright
>Conquest
Peak
What do you mean it sucks now?
>went wrong?
Absolutely nothing
They added gay characters and they added donut steels. Echoes showed that it can still be great. They need to return to the traditional formula though
>navarre, raven, and soren don't count, OKAY!?
you wouldnt even know who that is if an eceleb didn't tell you
>Echoes
>Great
It's time for the rundown on why Echoes is dogshit.
AHEM
>Make the story worse than the original. Celica originally sacrificed herself to save Alm in the original, while in the remake she sacrifices herself because she's retarded. Also in the remake, Rudolf let thousands of innocent people(Including his nephew) die for retarded reasons when he could have easily killed Duma, thus preventing SoV events. This is the equivalent of Goku not doing shit against Frieza as Gohan + Piccolo must do all the work.
>Characters are now worse. Alm is now a Kiseki tier protagonist akin to Lloyd from Trails from Zero than being a blood thirsty warrior from the original. This is also ruins Awakening story significantly as Walhart was based off of the original Alm. So SoV Alm doesn't make fucking sense lore-wise as there's logical way for Walhart to exist when Alm is a goody two-shoes. Celica is also extremely retarded now as she doesn't really think anymore. She even trusts a obvious evil purple man when in the original it's purely ambiguous if Jedah is evil or not. Everyone else becomes gimmicky one-note characters as shown Boey and Mae.
>Gameplay and maps are still dogshit. Barely anything has improved while some things were made worse(Ring stats, addition of the emotional mechanic taken out of Persona 3, Arts being fucking broken).
>The new characters are dogshit. Faye only exists to fulfill the girl cuck trope since the original was one of the rare FE titles that didn't have this, so they needed to fulfill this by making Faye. Berkut is okay but he adds literally nothing to the story and can be easily removed as he's never in any of the important moments in the story, even the one where you fight Rudolf.
>The DLC is a absolute scam. All of the DLC classes are only available at a certain high level where you already beaten the game once or twice, meaning you can't use them for interesting different playthroughs. The DLC character pack is nothing more than shitty Cipher shilling. No characters from FE1, FE3, or even characters like Berkut. Just some characters from a card game that's dead nowadays and nobody outside of Japan knows.
>The designs are a downgrade from the original. Dyute is turned into a generic spiky tooth e-boi while Boey and Gray are black for no real reason. They also turned Nuibaba into shitty fanservice bait when she was a creepy looking witch in the original.
>Various minor but significant issues. You cannot skip the credits for no reason. You could do that in Awakening and Fates, so why not SoV? The opening that shows Celica dying is a shitty pointless addition that adds nothing of value since it's quite obvious that she'll survive. Speaking of, Celica survival via is one of the worst plot excuses ever in a RPG. It's worse than how people survive in the Kiseki series despite being sliced and diced by literal serial killers. Lastly, the leaderboards is a pointless addition. Literally adds NOTHING to the game and is a major downgrade to Fates mycastle.
>All of this was from a guy who claims FE2 was a part of his life when growing up.
Fuck Kenta Nakanishi. Fuck this fat fuck for doing one of the worst remakes seen in the modern century.
>Dyute is turned into a generic spiky tooth e-boi
>They also turned Nuibaba into shitty fanservice bait when she was a creepy looking witch in the original
All opinions discarded.
Now I liked Echos a lot but I have to admit Alm clearly had a personality rewrite, sure there wasn't much there originally BUT could you Imagine remake Alm saying this line that they gave him in Awakening?
>tfw Alm no longer crushes bastards
I'll say Echos is the superior way to play FE2, but It does have a less interesting Alm and Celica, I still like them but It's not really a comparison between the two versions of these characters.
sacred echoes is the best way to play 2
The only thing I ever hear about that rom is how it's ten times more gay, it doesn't help I see it shilled by the chud side of the FE E-celeb mess
It's a great hack, with the best presentation and animations in any romhack period. Don't know how Andaron morons think theirs is the best when Sacred Echoes has kino like this.
A copy will never be kino. Andaron Saga may be flawed as fuck, but it has auteur vision like The Last Promise.
Andaron Saga is just some fanfic amalgamation of a Game of Thrones and Genealogy. It also wanted you to take it seriously while having absolute terrible fucking dialogue. It pales in comparison to the absolute unapologetic edge that is TLP. TLP will never be outdone because it comes from a bygone era of old internet authenticity
TLP is a solid 7/10 in every category and I'm tired of people insisting it's not worth a damn.
whats tlp?
TLP locking you out of convoy access until halfway through the game is fucking retarded though.
holy fuck that's some good animation
>final boss
>28 hit, 27 dmg
>gets doubled
>"b-but the graphics"
who gives a fuck. sov is dogshit no matter how much lipstick you put on it
I hate Gaiden with a passion but I gotta admit thats some high quality animation there, any more examples?
>by the chud side of the FE E-celeb mess
why do you even know what that is?
because youtube recommendations exist and sometimes they send me shit that i never asked for.
Sometimes you watch 2 view tubers for fun then you discover "whoops, LGBT positive and a Mekkah Collab, I'm out of here."
>sometimes they send me shit that i never asked for.
I guess thats true, I just have never personaly run into such things
I am the odd man out but I still prefer Gaiden over Echoes. Echoes 3D dungeons and the way it does encounters is just really tedious for me. I never want to do Duma Tower and Duma Lair again. At least in the original you just go in, do some pre-set maps, and that's it. Don't have to deal with random enemies and long winding corridors.
Echoes still living rent free in your head i see
Imagine liking a shit game because "muh presentation."
We have officially hit peak tryhard contrainism
Jesus, and I thought the kaga fags were cringe
>Talking about legitimate issues with SoV is being contrarian
All I wanted was a good remake. But instead we got literal trash.
>look mom, now I'm being SUPER contrarian!
Anon, no one cares. No one finds you interesting. No one likes your rom hack. Sov was almost universally loved by the fe community. Disliking it does not make you special, merely a tryhard gay
I never made a single romhack in my life besides changing some dialogue in FE9.
>Sov was almost universally loved by the fe community. Disliking it does not make you special, merely a tryhard gay
There's tons of people that doesn't like SoV or find it one of the more weaker entries. Also fuck you, I literally played and BEATEN the original game before SoV was even announced in the FE direct. I'm complaining because of legitimate reasons than being some contrarian. Go fuck yourself.
Engage is a better game than Three Houses.
>Sexy girls
>Better character designs
>Better animations and classes
The only drawback is chud localizers fucking it up but other than that, it's a good game.
>The only drawback is chud localizers fucking it up but other than that, it's a good game.
Sadly that’s nothing new with this or indeed any Japanese game franchise. That said I agree, it is a good game and continues the trend of good FE games. Hopefully it’s successor will do the same
Yet, despite being the most pre-ordered game in the franchise, it did less than half of the sales of Three Houses and outside of this echo-chamber is held in lower regards than it's predecessor. Shouldn't we try to learn from Engage blunders instead of deny and divert it's issues?
I don't give a single fuck about sales
>now
Dropping Shouzou Kaga
They didn't drop him he left
>Dropping
He left of his own will because he didn't like the way nintendo ran things at the time or the N64
I would argue the series is better now than its ever been
>exact same rehashed slop 3 times but with a new gimmick at the top
gayry of an insane level.
maybe try using actual words and we can have a discussion
Engage only has one flaw and that's the 10 minute cutscenes
>Engage only has one flaw and that's the 10 minute cutscenes
>one flaw
Is this some kind of twisted joke?
seriously what the fuck happened to FE? the DW devs made a better FE than the FE devs themselves? doesn't that mean the series is dead?
>the DW devs made a better FE than the FE devs themselves
except they didnt, you can keep repeating this but doesnt make it true
I think you're projecting, they objectively did. Look a sales, public reception and staying power in fan discourse, Engage has only been kept relevant through baiting and zealots exaggerating it's what boons it has like they were from the Axis Order
>sales
FIFA IS THE GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIME
>public reception and staying power in fan discourse,
Roy, Marth and Ike are the most popular Lords in the series entirely because of Smash Bros publicity, which did not translate into sales for their games at all even as they've gotten constant pandering since Awakening
>Fire Emblem sucks now
>now
been trash since the DS, got even worse with 3DS secondaries like OP
It's been trash since Fire Emblem 7 on GBA brought in a massive amount of western newfags into the series (most of which were retarded coomers lusting after Lyn because she doesn't wear pants for some reason) And it's all been downhill from there. FE was respectable before 7 but now it's just coomshit.
Seethe harder boomer
I'm not a boomer I'm only 36 you retard.
Okay boomer
Why would you wear pants?
Three Houses. Honestly it's a fine game, and it's great it brought more players to the franchise, but people have such a hard on for it that you could split the fans into Three Houses fans and Fire Emblem fans. It sucks because people complain about Engage when Engage is more like previous Fire Emblem games than even Fates and Shadows of Valentina. Engage is very GBA-esqe. It doesn't have Tellius levels of story, but it has solid gameplay and again, a simple story like the GBA games.
Three Houses made every character "parent issues" and "emotional disorder" for personality types. Old FE characters were fairly quirky and weird. Some weirdly casual about life and others had more serious weight. Three Houses just tried to be too much and too serious, had terrible interactions with the characters, and the gameplay was meh, especially with everyone being Robin.
Engage is good. Not peak, but better than Three Houses, which is also fine. IS needs to be in charge of the home console entry that isn't a celebration game so we can get a Tellius level story that Three Houses wishes it could achieve, and map designs of previous games and Engage that again, Three Houses thought it could do. Koei Tecmo did alright with Three Houses, but they bit off more than they could chew.
>Old FE supports:
>camaraderie/romance/rivalry
>nu FE supports:
>I was raped/I hate my dad
Most of the supports still follow the camaraderie/romance/rivalry dynamic, I hate my dad is Felix’s thing (some of the others deal with father figures too but more stepping out of their shadow/coping with their lose than anything) and I was raped isn’t a thing at all
The Felix thing loops with the general theme of his class which is learning to accept laws and cope with a tragedy. In the case of Rodrigue and Ingrid, they both try to deify Glenn's death as a noble act. And paint a beautiful picture of a king who fell defending his king because that's what they need to do to cope. But to Felix (and Dimitri) this idea is insulting. How the fuck do you get murdered honorably? And why are you acting like Glenn's death was a good thing? Which, to a grieving person, makes Felix look like an asshole. And he is. But you can't say his line of thinking is incomprehensible.
I didn’t, but his hatred for his Dad is unjust. He clearly mourns his sons death but is at least proud he was resolute in his duty until the end. That Felix finds fault with that attitude is one thing but he goes as far as to claim his father didn’t care about Glenn at all and that is so divorced from the reality of things as to be delusional. He can disagree with the man and his own beliefs on the matter but he goes too far, which is intentional on the games part I’d wager
Hopes explains this:
Rodrigue: … I will not mince words. I too was mortified by Glenn's death. Yet he perished a hero. He chose that life for himself, and he chose that death. He fought to protect the future of Faerghus— and his friend— until his dying breath. As his father, I felt I had to acknowledge that choice.
Felix: And how are you so sure it was his choice? Neither of us really knows what he was thinking. The boar might have an inkling, but all he goes on about is how he caused Glenn's death.
Rodrigue: You're right— I don't know for certain. But I know what I would've done had I been there. And you, Felix? What would your choice have been? Would you have abandoned His Majesty to save yourself? Or would you have chosen to fight until death claimed you? I myself would've safeguarded His Majesty at all costs. I know that it wasn't in Glenn's nature to flee either.
Felix: It's always about courage or cowardice with you. I wouldn't have chosen anything. When your life's on the line, you don't have time to think about that stuff— only act. I would have fought with my own will, in whatever way I thought best— and I would've made sure we both survived.
Rodrigue: You always want to have it both ways. Still, I take pride in that determination of yours. Had I been there, I doubt I could've summoned the resolve to strive for such a victory. More likely, I would've been satisfied merely to die in the defense of my liege.
Felix: I can understand that way of thinking. In fact, I always have. But I still couldn't stomach Glenn's death being glorified.
Rodrigue: And I'm sorry for that, Felix. Truly.
Felix: It's all right. And...I'm glad we talked. Also, you said we shouldn't leave regrets behind, so... I'm sorry too. For hitting you back then, I mean. I'm sorry...Father.
Rodrigue: You know, I'd almost forgotten about that! It hurt, too— more than any blow I've received in battle.
Felix: Oh, shut up. I said I was sorry.
I really wish this talk would have happened in the prior game. Because yes Faerghus chivalry does divide everything into bravery or cowardice
>Dimitri: In that wasteland, there were no beautiful, proud deaths that could have been written about in heroic tales. Not one. I do not want you to die a death like that. Not even for the sake of loyalty or duty.
>Ingrid: A king must, at times, order his soldiers and knights to fight and die on his behalf. Their lives must be used for the greater good—this is something any good king understands innately. Any king who doesn't allow people to die on his behalf is too soft to rule well.
But Felix IS being unreasonable as well. Glenn's death isn't just a data point you can just brush to the side. Even if you don't know what his last moments looked like, it's not a sin to hope that your son at least was able to put on a brave face in the worst situation that ever happened in their lives. Felix doesn't have to like it but he shouldn't shit on his father for wanting to believe that either
>Engage is very GBA-esqe
Ive said this before but people called me crazy for it
You're both right in various ways. The problem isn't that engages story is simplistic, the problem is presentation. Art aesthetic aside the fact that engage operates on stronger hardware and therefore can have actual scenes only highlights the absurdity of Fire Emblem structure. For example an MC losing a parent at the start of the game is not new. In Sacred Stones your dad dies before chapter 1. But the problem is how drawn out and dramatic it is. Lumera's death and final words last 5 minutes. Your switch will threaten to go to sleep before the scene ends. And I don't think this scene is intended to be ironic. There's no humor here. Alear's face twists in horror even though he has no idea who this chick is. Framme frantically tries to use healing magic on her to no avail. Vander looks in shock as he realizes he failed his mission. It's all so dramatic and yet so goofy at the same time. Not goofy in a funny way. Goofy in a, this scene is incompetent, way. And this sort of thing happens over and over throughout the game. If engage were presented as portraits talking to one another then there would be enough abstraction for no one to pay any mind. But it had to be on the Switch. Which is capable of making scenes.
For me it's the characters.
I don't mind simple stories, not every game needs to be "deep". But shit like " THE DIVINE DRAGON LOOKED AT ME" or Alcryst jumping like he's on the moon to grovel are just embarrassing to watch.
It gets a bit better later on, but it's too little and too late.
For me it's the characters as well but also the world itself. The story is so focused on you that it ignores the rest of the cast. Like think about this for a second: Ivy was the first of her nation to worship the Divine Dragon. Granted she was doing it to be an edgy contrarian but she at least identified that there was nothing to be gained by serving the Fell Dragon. But she also has the social skills of a raccoon and struggles to interact with people. Hortensia, her sister, pushes herself to be extroverted and stand out because she's a bastard daughter of the king. No one in her court respects her or her common blood so she has to put in effort to be considered a royal. They are the enemy for the first quarter of the game. Her father killed Diamant's. Alcryst explicitly does not trust Ivy after that. And Ivy has to answer for her nation since she inherited it after her father's death. Imagine how many character moments can be gleaned from that premise. Like imagine a version of Engage where Ivy wants to be accepted by the crew. But everyone distrusts her, especially Alcryst, and Ivy doesn't have the necessary charisma to convince them. But Hortensia does and she gives a real, legitimate case about how worthy Ivy is, how she's always been different from her peers, and why Ivy should be a true member of Alear's pantheon. And Ivy, being able to speak through action, proves herself, and THEN the Elusians are more accepted. With maybe one or two supports showing Alcryst thawing towards them and everyone looking to understand them.
Maybe that's too much? But I would have appreciated one or two more character moments than none at all
>Ivy was the first of her nation to worship the Divine Dragon. Granted she was doing it to be an edgy contrarian but she at least identified that there was nothing to be gained by serving the Fell Dragon.
i dont think this is true considering the fact that they had emblem rings most likely given to them by lumera herself
I guess I should clarify that she's the first of the current generation of Elusians to worship the Divine Dragon. Hyacinth started gargling on Sombron's evil cum and everyone followed along so Ivy deciding she doesn't want to do that makes her an outlier.
>simple story like the GBA games
engage story is simple but BAD coupled with extremely cringe dialogue, GBA FE didn't have that
7 has a pretty terrible story
Nothing was more funny seeing FE and Xeno fags getting angry that they didn't get any attention in the direct.
Like c'mon, you just had XC3 DLC and Engage.
You're not getting anything for awhile now.
Those people are still more tolerable than the people screeching for a Tomodachi Life sequel. Seriously, where the fuck did these people come from?
I love my beautiful wife Byleth! My cute little ashen angel...
Sacred Stones ruined the entire series by introducing grinding. Also incest is disgusting. This game is just the worst.
Pretty fucked up not loving your sister anon
>he doesn’t like Super Sentai OPs
Unless you’re a dubmoron in which case you got what you wanted; a repulsive and lesser experience
eng op > jp op
And yet you hated that too, interesting
im not the guy that said he dropped it, I love engage
Well then I’m sorry, both for mistaken you for him and for your equally poor taste
the japanese opening isnt very bombastic it almost sounds like hes whispering
Again, sorry
I unironically dropped Engage because of its lame ass opening song
BIG yikes
This and many things more, is like they wanted to repel veterans
The lack of variety. No route split or anything similar. Only player "choice" is engage is the stuff that's in all modern fe games like classes.
Nobody hates Fire Emblem more than FE fans...
Why are you like this?
I hate it because I love it and want it to improve
because most fire emblem "fans" arent actually fans of the series and only like 1 or 2 games and condemn the rest of the series
Because FE fans are divided by old fans and new fans and it's more of a elitist circlejerk. I hate 3H a fuck ton and also the 3DS games except Echoes but even then I admit that's how it is. Basically you have to hate the new games and specially if they are popular. Even though the new new games suck dick. Except Echoes.
Most long running franchises that have a radical transformation in the style/tone of the games have this. Sonic and Castlevania are two other examples off the top of my head where two or more generations of fans are constantly at each other's throats.
Sonic is a perfect example
Engage. People are more desperate for FE4R a few months after Engage than there were for the entire three year 3H era. Engage leaves you feeling empty and desiring a fulfilling FE game.
engage left me feeling very satisfied
You probably just have low standards then.
I guess so it was a fun game
you like posting about video games more than playing them
tellius is terrible and so is pretty much everything kaga has ever been involved in
>gimmicks le bad but not when kaga does it
greentexting and adding 'le' is not an argument kiddo
you sound salty but I agree for the most part
Awakening is the last game with good female designs. But the over-focus on waifus is also the biggest problem. Now the designs are shit (Engage sucks dick) and the gameplay has been ignored.
>What went wrong?
Needs more Felicia.
>DUDE IM CLUMSY xD
i dont usually complain about gimmick characters but shes legit terrible
I'm sorry to hear that anon
warp staves are a bad mechanic, if the best strategy is to not play the game, you have a bad game
It depends on the map, there's usually risk associated with just airdropping a unit to a boss that is usually surrounded with enemies. Sure, the people who do it will probably have autistically planned it out so that they know it's mostly safe, but the same is true of the map in general with those kinds of players unless they are doing 0% growths or something. They'll know how to do the map properly so there won't be any real risk there either.
WAHHH NINTENDO/INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS HAS FORGOTTEN ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM CRY ME A FUCKING RIVER
Sir, your meds
Cutesythea
Petra wore ‘em better. Still cute though
my second favourite Ishikawa role, after GV
Holy shit the fucking PedoBait spam in this thread, it’s no wonder people don’t want to be associated with your dead franchise.
>not a new ip
All dragon girls are older than you
Excuse me gentlemen, make way for His Majesty
Pokémon is the highest grossing franchise of all time and has a million unique designs, Fire Emblem is a niche strategy game for weebs where every character is an anime palette swap.
https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/filename/CF9D5AF5-6BD7-4E93-B142-4FF3C60A169F.jpg/
kys mobile poster
Ok, and how many of those designs are actually good? 20%? 30%? Be honest.
I prefer Engage's colorful vomit over nu Pokeshit's "designs"
Both are absolute garbage.
Fuck off Poketard.
based Pokefag btfoing the FEchuds
dead franchise
You will never get another real Fate VN
I have not finished Engage, Chapter 25 looks long, drawn out, and boring.
is there a brainless way to clear this shit?
>crys about waifus
>has an entire lyn dump thread
make it make sense
>inb4 I meant the maps
then explain why a game like genealogy gets treated like the 2nd coming of Christ
Here you go, bro!
I think there was a way to skip opening the doors so all the reinforcements are locked out of your boss fight, letting you take all the time you want without having to feel swamped.
>What went wrong?
The fundamental issue with it is that it's not really designed like a fire emblem game. Resource management basically doesn't exist. Whether it's exp, weapons, promotions or whatever, they're all basically unlimited. Even level cap doesn't really exist. This means the game ends up being more like disgaea where the appeal is minmaxing the fuck out of everyone and making broken loadouts to deal with the very difficult endgame/dlc stuff, but otherwise the game is just rubbing numbers against each other in big blobs of units. It's genuinely designed to have a more casual appeal from the gameplay and isn't like fire emblem at all. Even core fire emblem stuff that drive most of the discussion like classes/growths/bases don't exist because every single character is more or less as viable as each other because you can just grind them forever and they can all max stats/class change to a degree. This is especially true if you include children.
The other side of it is that it introduced a jarring change of tone in character writing style and more generally, but I won't go into that because you still genuinely getting people arguing that FE1-12 weren't any different in character writing/tone to this game which has been discussed to death even if it is in my opinion totally ridiculous and obviously untrue.
censoring her support with Eudes
Lucina being a chestlet.
Severa bring stuck in that shit game and also in Fates.
fates conquest is great though
I'll take flat chests any day over the constant barrage of fat ugly tits. Fire Emblem only works when there's dicky
This game is good and a nice love letter to the series. But it started a lot of the cancerous rot by inviting personatards into the fanbase. Still it has some really awesome characters and designs. Lucina and Robin are great. This and Echoes are the only good games since it came out.
Nothing.
Awakening was good and I'm tired of pretending it was shit to look cool
You can like it all you want bro. I'm just in my right to call you out for your shit taste.
Your taste is regurgitating youtubers opinions so I will give you the pity you've earned instead of the vitriol you'd like.
Ah the classic "your opinion is a youtuber's" fallacy. That's a good one m8. Bravo.
Anyone on this board played fe rom hack andaron saga? I enjoyed it
SHUT UP
it's fun, not the best however.
did you mean to reply to someone else?
>did you mean to reply to someone else?
yes this
>not the best however.
whats the best then?
Honestly I'd say Dark Lord and the Maiden of Light is the best one I have played, for shorter hacks I have a soft spot for Storge.
That makes sense, I'll have to try that out when I get back to it, thanks.
Guess me and this anon are the only Andaron Saga appreciators, I don’t get the Ganker hate for it, and it shows how great Fire Emblem could be when made with love and passion. But hey I’m stopping the people in this thread from doing pic related
I liked it you moron and you didn't reply to me, go fuck yourself.
I like Andaron saga but I don't like it when the devs take the piss like rewarding you with an incredible tome for not leveling up Aylanda, and making Thea shit on purpose and giving her mocking buffs
the game balance is honestly almost perfect but then you really do have certain character's that feel completely pointless or mean spirited from a gameplay AND a story perspective, there's a difference between a joke character and an awful one, which they managed to do with Buggi so I don't know why shitter's like Ralfnar, Elmer, and Thea feel like in-jokes.
elmer isnt a shitter at all
he can be worth something but he just doesn't have anything unique going for him, I will admit his Estelle support is adorable but he feels like a half assed joke character
Buggi was by far the worst unit on my team but he still put in good work, I don't mind him since it's clear he's meant to be a clown, Like Barzelhen in VS2 or whatever his name is
i've used elmer a few times in my all secret objectives runs which i always reset 2/3s into the game to play build autism his niche is being an early mage with actual con and bulk, so he can comfortably use elfire and nosferatu. he'll always be a little coinflippy with those growths, but he's easy to fix with weird sage and has a lot of options in his promo gains. for this one i regret going sage, the promo bonuses are insane but i could've went for the higher mage knight caps and mov instead. he can also always pivot into staffbotting if his growths don't work out, which helga and darius can't do, or go for physical hits and take good advantage of weapon triangle. his luck is also really solid. if the devs set out to make him bad, or even middling, they fucked up imo
It's funny because a big chunk of the beta testers or more advanced players hate Buggi, even though he's a pretty solid unit despite being a retarded meme. Mangs went on the record for saying he wanted some units to be shit on purpose. Which translates to about half the growth units getting overshadowed by the busted prepromotes like Varg and Helga.
Always knew the Andaron cockslurpers were also the schizos spamming these Engage images for months here.
i like both andaron saga and engage more than most fire emblem games
Marianne!
What the fuck was this guy’s problem anyway?
Didn't get to touch Coco's cocos when they were kids.
His dad tried to rape his step-sister to produce Crest babies. He was an extremely sensitive child, and his emotional trauma made the Death Knight manifest to justify the murder. The Death Knight wants to kill, not innocent Emile, and Emile is “noble” for suppressing that monster as much as possible.
All true except they’re half-siblings
He didn’t like hurting other people.
Oh boy
House Bartels was an Empire noble house that somehow found out Mercedes and her mom had the Crest of Lamine. So Lord Bartels married Mercedes's mother. Not because he loved her but because he wanted to fuck her and get crest babies out of her. Making Emile Bartels Mercedes's half brother. Mercedes's mother got sick of the abuse and decided to run to the Kingdom. Cornelia and Anselma ran to the kingdom too. So did House Rowe. Why does everyone escape to there? Emile volunteered to stay behind, saying that if the mom stole Lord Bartels's noble heir that he'd hunt her and Mercedes down. So they left Emile behind and escaped to a priory in Faerghus. But House Bartels found them anyway and the mom was too old to bear anymore children. So Lord Bartels declared he'd fuck Mercedes and get more children out of her now that she's of age. Emile was so enraged that he killed his father, butchered his family, and burned down his House. This is where the Death Knight personality was born. Emile developed a split personality that needed to kill.
As he wandered he bumped into Edelgard. Edelgard was impressed with his strength, so she erased his past, gave him a new name (Jeritza), and inserted him into a new house, House Hyrm. She gave him hunting grounds where he could pacify his need to kill while he acted as a teacher within Garreg Mach until she needed him. But no one imagined his half sister would've also enrolled as a student there.
Give me romhacks with no cringe reference writing
that new vanillaware srpg looking kinda nice tho
am i expected to grind in echoes?
You're expected to grind in every FE that allows it, but to pretend that you didn't have to.
i never grinded in sacred stones, engage or 3h
UUUOOOOOHH!! GODESS EROTIC! NAKED GODESS BELLY AND FEET!! EROTIC!!!
For me, it's Anna.
dickyAnna best Anna, Saori Seto does a good e-boi voice
I hope she appears in another game, assuming they aren't going to make another mousou
Recruitable Annas are likely permanently children from now on.
I only hope that the og Anna voice comes back.
But she’s only had the one?
dickyAnna is voiced by Monica Rial
>dub
Skill issue
kys dubmoron
Leaned way to much into the persona fandom, three houses was shit because the majority of the game was running around and talking to NPCs on a school ground playing harry potter professor simulator while having highly questionable relationships with underage characters.
To little focusing on combat, to much focusing on shipping bullshit.
WHY THE FUCK DOESNT IKE KNOW WHAT A LAGUZ IS????????
he's a stupid beorc
>protected Jugdral from being dishonored by IS and chudhouse
>makes FEtubers work the nightshift at the local Waffle House after taking away their only meal ticket
>/feg/ has the gull to complain
Apologize to him. Apologize to him RIGHT FUCKING NOW.
DUMB DOG DIEEEE
Based her voice is so nice
I hope this franchise falls on death's door again, FE fans don't deserve anything. Most people don't even like this series, they just like a handful of games.
I like every FE I've played so far, which is basically all of them. I just like some of them A LOT more than others.
Liking every game in a series doesn’t make you an interesting person
All good fanbases are like that. What you don't want is to end up like Mario fans or whatever where you gladly eat up whatever slop you're giving. Classic 2D Mario fans will never get a real classic style game ever again, while the 2D Sonic fans did because they bitched and moaned until they did. Hardcore fans being vocal is a good thing, because otherwise the voice of the casuals win out and then it just becomes a matter of rounding the edges/casualising at all costs to broaden the market, ruining the series.
>Classic 2D Mario fans will never get a real classic style game ever again,
uhhh wonder
Obviously not a classic style 2D game, in the same vein that the NSMB games weren't. No one thinks Wonder is targeted at SMB3/SMW fans, it's targeted at the mass market because the actual hardcore fans just ate up whatever got given to them and never complained even though everyone knew NSMB games were ass compared to the originals and don't even get challenging until the second to last world in every single game.
People only pretend to like Fire Emblem because it’s on Nintendo and gets a shitload of characters in Smash , I guarantee you if it weren’t on Nintendo, no one would give a Pikachu’s ass about it
Good
Tactics Ogre - dead
FFT - dead
Disgaea - might as well be dead
Shining Force - KEK
Front Mission - flopped and died
Unicorn Overlord? Stomping everyone
>Title sounds like a friendship colorful horse game
It’s gonna be Triangle Strategy all over again
i really should play this game but holy shit theres so much dialogue
This is what killed it for me, i really tried to enjoy the game but HOLY FUCK, i thought 3 Houses was bad with dialog jesus fucking Christ, Triangle Strategy is like reading a god damn Tolkin novel.
It's primarily a story game. I won't say the gameplay takes a backseat but it is at least as prioritized as the game. I like that and when I was playing Tactics Ogre the story was like my reward for winning a map, but for people who don't find it interesting I doubt they'll be able to tolerate it.
>It's primarily a story game.
Which i think is fine, but thats not really what it was marketed as, and since its all text based at that point, just make it a fucking book.
>and since its all text based at that point, just make it a fucking book.
Why do people say this, think for five seconds if a story based video game is a remotely equivalent experience to reading a book. I refuse to believe anyone who actually reads would ever use this 'if I wanted a story I'd read a book' line. Even VNs offer significantly different experiences to books and you couldn't just replace one with the other.
Retarded name that filters retards but is a true kino?
BIG MOMMY
Yes except drop the first retard, you damn retard
That's retarded
Fire Emblem lost its soul when they decided to start going overboard and changing characters to be obsessed with Pickles
Says the retard
Kek, must have felt disgust hearing the theme song like the rest of the normalfags
>Unicorn
>U n i c o r n
lol
>>>>>>>
overlord
That's it's name
>two rings on the logo
I-is there gonna be marriage?
Why don't the nips ever ask actual English speakers if an English title sounds good before using it? This, Octopath Traveler, Triangle Strategy. All awful titles.
Can't wait for what will effectively be 13 Sentinels 2 where it's hours of talking followed by a somewhat interesting combat system that is made irrelevant by how easy the levels are.
During the live drop, people kept saying this guy looks like Sigurd because of the blue hair, but to me he looks more like Kris.
Yooo the Fire Emblem Killer!
It could have been a Fire Emblem killer but having a retarded title will hurt its sales just like with Triangle Strategy.
>Fire Emblem Engage
I dunno anon, it looks dangerously close to being gacha tier game mechanics with DUDE MUH CINEMATIC STORYTELLING
Unicorn Overlord - the true revival of the genre. FE is about to be exposed for the shit dating sim its become.
>tatics ogre slop
nah,wake me up when knight in the nightmare comes back
Claude - what a fucking moron
>feeding the dog in Engage has worse animation than feeding the tadpole in Fates
HELLO, DOG, time for your post-fight bag of flour.
*Pairs up with Chrom*
*Equips Nosferatu tome*
*Presses start through every enemy phase*
Ah, how fire emblem was meant to be played
>not going trickster and equipping a levin sword
>play gba games growing up
>these are good
>play 3ds games in college
>oh I like these
>REEEEE ALL THOSE GAMES ARE SHIT PLAY A REAL FE GAME LIKE 776 OR SHADOW DRAGON
>go and play them
>they're shit
I learned to stop trusting the fe community a long time ago. The only people with worse taste are the smt community
What are your thoughts on Tellius though?
fire emblem didn't lose its soul. you lost yours.
Feels good being an Archanea Chad myself.
Three Houses was my first Fire Emblem game and having completed three other Fire Emblem games after it, it has since become my least favorite so far.
unironically pronouns, gender ambiguity, etc. many such cases
>people are still seething over the superior game series
FE won.
Uhhhh how??
Americans became interested and demand that future games adhere to western principles.
I masturbated dozens of times to Lyn in middle school. None of the newer girls have done that for me. Did I change or did the girls get worse?
I always hated lyn, you just change
Nope you have baste taste anon
and old fags will say they are better than awakening fags, you guys are all the same
Lyn's not even the best girl in her own game, bro.
I did it for Sommie.
I've just beaten Three Houses
A solid 5/10 game, just like the GBA ones
Haven't played any other
>now
Okay guys I'm gonna to play Three Houses
Which house is the racist one?
Edelgard is racist towards dragons, Claude is initially racist to Fodla-jin (despite his own heritage) but mellows out. Dimitri isn’t racist at all and wouldn’t advocate for anyone to be either and the Church of Seiros is very much the same
Can I help the dragons kill humanoids?
Not in racial cleansing fashion no but you can side with the Church and bring an end to the conflict by effectively subjugating the other factions after the war has left them in tatters. You also get to kill the not-garden gnomes manipulating things behind the scenes with the option to wed and bed mommy/daughter/grandma dragon-pope voiced by Kikuko Inoue and become God-Emperor of mankind so that’s what I did
Verdant Wind if you believe people can be racist towards whites. Silver Snow if you believe supremacy is a form of racism. Azure Moon if you never, ever let Ingrid support with Dedue.
Sothis makes me irrationally angry because I love her design, voice and character outline but she's the biggest case of wasted potential in all of Fire Emblem if not all vidya. She has tons of unused data and voice lines and it's obvious she was planned to have a route where she's revived, but instead all that got scrapped for Edeltard garbage and she's literally written out of the second half.
While it doesn’t bother me as deeply I agree it feels like a waste, and that muso does nothing to address how little screen time she got is another issue. I honestly was looking forward to fourway supports between Shez and Larva vs Bereto/su and Sothis and we were robbed once again
Fire Emblem never evolved. It was a novel gameplay system when it first released an eternity ago, but it is now a mobile tier game masquerading as a full console game. The story will never be meaningful again since all anyone cares about is fucking their waifu and callbacks to previous games, the gameplay itself is stuck 30 years in the past, and there's nothing to even look forward to
i'll tell you, and Ganker will hate me and disagree but deep down you all know it's the truth.
Removing the making children and having them as future units mechanic has hurt the latest fire emblem games.
One of the best parts was having your units become a family have sex and have children.
no I dont think every fe game needs chilldren
And being able to have sex with said children, right, paedo eugenicist?
only Lucina
That goes without saying
I don't like it because I don't want to pair any of the girls with any of the men other than me. Just find a different interesting way to put additional units in the game.
Paper El: The Thousand year old dragon
>Fire Emblem sucks now
>now
Being Manlyth must be hard as every time you close your eyes you basically get a boner.
>What went wrong?
(You)
The Switch.
Awakening happened and it was incredibly obvious they were throwing out the strategy RPG part and shifting it to a porn series, and sure enough next game they include a mode for you to grope your characters back at base.
>incredibly obvious they were throwing out the strategy RPG part
>moves chapter 1 paladin forward with javelin into 20 bandits
now THAT's strategy
I wish they would fully embrace the porn series. I want to see character having sex on screen. I want clothing damage in combat. I want tits everywhere. Rosado should've been a futa.
I do you cope with the fact that conquest is a better strategy game than every previous fe game?
I don't play pedophile sims.
You just admitted to playing Fire Emblem tho?
I could make the best FE game if I wasn't a computer retard. The tricky thing is that Engage costs $60, and I would feel obligated to make a 60-hour FE game (1 hour of single player per 1 dollar spent on a game), and considering how much FE4's maps filtered people, I doubt that I could get a pass on creating 20 3-hour maps...
>a 60-hour FE gam
thats about how long it took me to beat engage
I don't want my text to sound like I'm being critical. Did that also include time in the monastery/whatever Engage calls it? I don't think romhacks are at a point where they can work with anything that isn't the GBA games, so having "filler" between maps seems nigh impossible.
my time was closer to 80 i would assume cutting all that out and accounting for idle time would bring me closer to 60
>1 hour of single player per 1 dollar spent on a game
This mindset is why most games are shit now.
No. Everything needing to be bleeding edge next gen graphics while also catering to every single person on the planet (read: lowest common denominator) because of sunken cost fallacy and justifying all of the time wasted on pointless drivel like character customization because "THINK OF HOW BIG THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT WILL BE" is why most games are shit now.
It's that plus adding in hours of pointless nothing to pad it out so it will feel "worth it" to idiots. If you meant 60 hours of real content I'd be on board but considering that you consider the monastery and somniel to count as filling up the runtime
it's clearly not what you meant.
FE4 isnt even a good game, I was so bored of it that I had to tackle one map per day not to feel the burnout of such a boring slog. Just as I thought Seliph's part of the story was gonna pick up the pace since it started with a smaller map, I get immediately told right after that no, these boring sluggish maps ARE gonna be the default of this game. Then the game doubles down on the amount of enemies to get your units levelled up and promoted ASAP because they gotta wrap up the game in 6 more maps, a fucking travesty. Genealogy's pacing is all over, everyone is doing themselves a huge disservice for playing this crap instead of a better Fire Emblem game.
I said my piece.
Fire Emblem games are at their best in my opinion when they're a little shorter, 20-30 hours or so, with high replayability.
You don't want to stretch maps out too much or else they become a slog.
>the best FE game
this already exists though - RJ01006462
Post dragon e-bois fgt
No
>all the games with good stories have shitty maps/gameplay
>all the games with good maps/gameplay have shitty stories
All games have shit stories
Pic related has great everything.
>warp staff the game
no
Get good, gays. I've beat the game twice with no guide and no warp staff skips. Thracia is the best game in the series and it's not even close.
your mom gay
>Game was intentionally designed to be nearly impossible to play without a official guide
Yikes
>some of the worst designed, unfun maps in the series
>broken mechanics that make the game unfun to play and incentivize skipping whenever possible because the game is just that awful
>Enemy placement is "archer corridors"
no.
Cute Celicar
CHEATING CUNT
Celicar is cute
Right!
Fucking kek
How many of these are there?
>Dimitri: "No, seriously, trust me Byleth, Shez will LOVE you giving her a dagger to prove your love!"
I honestly couldn't tell you about now, series lost me forever with Radiant Dawn
>MC that has character that interacts with the entire cast
this killed the integrity of the series
>silent MC stand in for the player that warps allegiances of characters wordlessly and women are interested in him for existing
ah now THIS is REAL FIRE EMBLEM
The 3ds was the perfect platform for fe due to the 2 screens and the mix of pixel and 3d graphics
Fittingly it received the best fe game in terms of gameplay (conquest) and the best fe in terms of art and presentation (Sov)
In addition you can use the 3ds to play nearly every game that came out before it as well as translations and hacks
You know this is one thing I do miss on Engage, despite its good gameplay I really was a big fan of the 2D sprites in 3D environment that transitions into 3D battles kind of gimmick, for some reason the 3D FE games feel all sluggish by nature and I cant put my finger on as to why that is
My biggest problem with using the full 3D models of every character on the map screen is that it makes the classes and characters hard to distinguish based on sight and it's a lot less clean than what the 3DS games were doing.
True, like Zelkov who I never can tell if I used him or not that turn because he is so dark
They wrote the best girl out of the game half way through, that's what.
Also reminder that Engage's story is much better than Fates and even fairly good on its own merits.
>is much better than Fates
An extremely low bar.
Engage's story is just a worse version of Awakening's which is already very similar to many other FE plots.
the hate for engage's narrative is overblown. it's literally just youtubers mad they can't farm content out of the mental illnesses of everyone involved.
There was far less cringe in fates than engage imo
Engage is more embarrassing but makes sense while conquests story is just convoluted and poorly written
Rosadosisters...
Rosado’s not a chud though, unlike the guy you replied to
chud: white
> >:(
chud: asian
> :O
wrong thread shut up jeez
>Marianne
Which one are you?
They've decided to appeal to low iq, tumblr/reddit dwelling apes who get their rocks off over which character sounds gayer in their twisted mind.
>Hey anon, what sort of games do you play
>Oh, mainly strategy games
>Like age of empires/starcraft sort of stuff?
>Yeeeees.
Meanwhile
Elmer fails. His schtick of either being an annoying nerd trying to prove himself or an annoying alpha male follower arc is equally annoying.
actually what are you talking about?
Andaron Saga. A fun fire emblem rom hack
that blonde healer girl is so fucking ugly she made me drop the game
I dropped this game on the dragon escape map because I was quite bored of it, I get why people hate Buggi and Natalie and Thea and Fred but what about Estelle makes her a least favorite? She didnt come off as annoying as the other up to the point I was at.
Estelle is bratty and annoying and her only gimmick is saying she's an expert
But I love brats like her, is it just a matter of execution of the archtype then?
She also has like no enemy phase and can easily die on her joining chapter
>now
Another succesful thread ends.
eliwood is the best lord this is not debatable
Eirika
mogged by her brother
Ephraim agrees with me then
Married by her brother*
He is unironically a great lord: not too overpowered or gifted with bullshit Mary Sue powers, not some super chad but not too much of a pushover in the story.
i miss when fire emblem had characters that you could take seriously like larachel
650839717
Im not going to even bother giving you the (you) but Larachels alternate dialogue with ephraim after chapter 19 if tana is dead is genuinely better than everything from kekquest and engage
>t-the situational throwaway line of dialogue
cope
No response, cope and seethe moron.
>nooooo it completely makes up for everything that comes before and after it just let a character die on purpose in Seth Emblem those two lines are sooooo deep
again, cope
Gee I wonder what happened