>forced 50 / 50
>win too much, get put into a team with individuals having lower probability of a win
>forced 50?
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>forced 50 / 50
>win too much, get put into a team with individuals having lower probability of a win
you just described SBMM and it's in most games
>forced 50 / 50
shitter cope
>sbmm is... le bad!
sbmm is necessary for games like dota
>get into an imbalanced game
>stuck for 30-40 minutes
>hurr just add a surrender option
shut up moron
>He thinks SBMM prevents you from being stuck in imbalanced games for 40-60 minutes
It honestly makes the problem worse, pubs are always chaotic, you can't fix this, neither valve nor riot has ever been able to implement a good SBMM system that didn't just result in 20+ minute queues that ultimately results in imbalanced games as the range is increased.
I said that SBMM in DOTA was going to ruin everything and it ultimately did, when valve should have focused on better competitive tools for clans and private tourneys instead of trying to force a ladder into the game as ladders are only enjoyed by streamers and smurfs
All I fucking want to do is casually jump on DOTA, queue for all pick, get a game in less than 2 minutes, play, and have fun, and you can't fucking get that in 2023 DOTA because forced 50 even in unranked pubby matchmaking and all pick is a fucking draft mode now
Also the issue with long games that just don't fucking end is an issue with the balance of the game and not an issue with the match making.
The whole point of a fucking hyper carry is that they come online 30-40 minutes into the game and ends it by mowing down towers and raxes, but there is too much BD/Tower immunity in the game now as well as wards and TP being way too ubiquitous due to their low/free costs and slot restrictions removed by the backpack, to much 'anti-rat dota' mechanics added to the game, when again, the game has to fucking end at some point, not be endless teamfights even if that makes it better to watch for esports.
>forced50
Nevermind I'm talking to a fucking retard. Should have known
>>He thinks SBMM prevents you from being stuck in imbalanced games for 40-60 minutes
This is why I can't justify playing Dota anymore.
Fucking being stuck for 60 minutes in a game that's already lost because the enemy doesn't want to end is the worst thing ever inb4
>MUH EPIN CUMBACK CAN HAPPEN BRO
yea sure
literal chudgame
dota is a chad game
>be nerd
>chad in class tries to relate with me asking if I play dota
>tells me he played dota 1 a lot with his older brother
>tell him about dota 2
>dude puts 1.1k hours into it in a year
>gets scholarship to top tier uni
>never logged into steam again
chud
That's literally a different character with the same kit retard
CM, AM and PA's personas are different characters retard
what's the lore of wolf CM?
Some retarded mage's avatar.
>Only the strongest of mages can endure the teachings that unlock the hidden powers of the Blueheart. Those who dare try have but one choice of master — an ageless avatar whose very first lesson is that success earns only obligation, and failure opens the door to a lonely death.
That's League, this is a game for slavs and peruvian subhumans in fucking US servers
Peruvians, slavs and Asians are a lot better than fucking Iranian trash. Absolute animals who don't understand the game.
i thought it was hilarious how ranked improved significantly for a while when those gays got their internet cut by the government, and you didnt see a single one of them
chud show tits
Cant go a thread on Ganker without someone mentioning trannies
One dumbfuck caster destroyed his career by dressing as a woman on stream.
Is there a single MOBA that doesn't do this shit? I'm addicted but I hate playing them because the match is almost always over before you even begin playing.
>MOBA
stop
none of them do this and anyone who thinks they do is coping because they're a shitter who wasn't good enough to carry
literally NO exceptions, this is always the case
git gud, stop crying like a bitch
Is this post bait? Whenever I win a few matches in a row in unranked LoL , the next few matches are always losses because two or three people on my team barely speak english and are beginners, while the enemy team is full of people with thousands of wins and high ranks. My wins are the same way, but the other way around. It's just not fun.
Bullshit. I'm a hardstuck low Silver shitter who mostly plays ARAMs, and 50% of the time I try ranked I get shoved into matches with teammates who all have the "I was Plat/Diamond last year" borders.
I KNOW Riot fixes their matches because they use ME to sabotage your games. My friends also have similar experiences like "What the fuck am I doing in a ranked game with/against people 3 or 4 ranks above me???"
Sorry High Elo Anons, I try my best, but my Silver3-shitter skills are not good enough to outjungle Diamond Kindred and LeeSin mains.
>Lying on the internet
You're not getting matched with ex-Platinum/Diamond players on a consistent basis, unless you're referring to the first couple of days of a new season but even then: it's highly unlikely.
If you were to actually play ranked: your mmr would get calibrated after a few matches and you'd start getting appropriate level teammates/enemies almost immediately.
thats bs if someone was actually diamond last season, he could easy carry silver games. (most of the time)
they are not diamond probably bought the acc or they play on a friends/family member account.
you can't convince retards their losses are their own fault. it's literally impossible. you can point out that it's verifiably true that there are countless people who are actually good at the game and have positive winrates, but they will keep making up the wildest excuses and performing all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify their being bad at the game.
>forced 50 / 50
And yet the top players have no problem keeping a winrate higher than that.
As opposed to furthering the divide where winners gets matched with winners only and losers matched with losers?
DotA pros especially are known to smurf.
k
yea 8k+ mmr players can trample shit tier mmr. that doesnt mean much.
Maybe you should try playing like an 8k and it'd solve all your problems then
Your problem is you think you deserve more, but you actually don't, because you're trash. Improve yourself.
>just be the anomaly percentile
dishonest + ur a gay.
>i want to be a statistical anomaly and win like an 8k player
>but i dont want to play like a statistical anomaly 8k player, that's too hard
Good luck with that one gay.
Do you actually believe that rank doesn't correlate with skill and there's no difference between a 2k and a 5k player? The forced 50 theory only works if you believe that the vast majority of players play almost exactly the same and the game just arbitrarily chooses a skill bracket you'll stay in forever.
yea theres a difference in skill. but matchmaking can also be rigged against you.
for example: you can be matched with someone that refuses to play anything other than legion commander. even if they get support.
furthermore, at a certain point all games look the same regardless of the mmr they are at. check the end screens for top level matches. they always have one or more carries with stats like 16/3.
and to prove to point further: if someone who sucks smurfs at immortal ranks, everyone on their team also ends up doing terrible.
so low rank is a self perpetuating cycle, and valve loves to match people with idiots just so the idiots get to play. since everyone deserves to get a match according to valve. even if they are imbeciles.
SBMM dies towards the higher and lower end of ratings because there's literally nothing else above or below them - they're the baseline for high and low tier.
If you're 1500 MMR and you're in the 800 MMR range on a smurf it doesn't matter if the game tries to force the 50/50 because the difference in skill is too high. As you get close to 1500 the games will get harder and hard and you will lose more and more but eventually you will reach 1500. It's like climbing up and ever increasingly steep ramp. In your case the only people above the pros are other pros, they're literally the top of the food chain that are above the ratings system
>case the only people above the pros are other pros
but i don't lose because the other team is better than ME. i lose because of ruiners on MY TEAM
He's not wrong. I last played LoL in 2013 and dota in like 2016 but you always have people intentionally throwing the game. I've had my LoL placement matches thrown by people all the time in LoL because the system rewards people who troll but play it off but punishes people who rage. It's why I quit.
If you want to say they force a 50/50 every game no one can really prove it due to not having the SBMM code, but even normies know if you got on a winstreak the game freaks out and goes "Oh fuck you're a smurf" and pits you against higher skilled people. It's well known in the new COD game and noticeable in DBD as the killer
>I last played LoL in 2013
you are clueless. yes both games bave griefers. dota has way more.
>and pits you against higher skilled people
no it does not. you are 100% wrong. it pairs you WITH griefers and ruiners.
retard
not an argument. i have thousands of hours on both games and i am 100% right. Dota's winrate is fixed with griefers. simple as. LOL's report system just works better.
>I last played LoL in 2013 and dota in like 2016
Stopped reading there, opinion discarded. I've played on those times too and I came back recently and the forced 50% WR is so blatant it looks like a joke.
There was a time where they at least tried to hide that, but now they don't even bother. And people will still gaslight themselves into thinking they're in a fair system.
That only happens at the highest tier because there is no one left to match them with to maintain the 50/50 so they expand the mmr range over time to prevent infininity matchmaking time.
uh? dumb trannie tard.
>Can easily find examples of players with <50% win rates
>Can easily find examples of players with >50% win rates
>Forced 50 is still somehow a thing
You're actually retarded.
>mason
>good
L
MAO
he's literally ((our)) guy cope and seethe.
If you can win 60% of games against 5 8k players with a team of 4 6k players, you will keep doing that despite the numbers going up. There is literally nobody stronger to match against you, and due to Immortal cut off, game cant match you with anyone weaker.
>only 51%
uhmmmmmm forced 50 deniers?
The closer someone is to 50% the closer this person is to skill equilibrium, this is all the MMR system does.
If a 2k player suddenly plays in an account of a pro player with 50% winrate, the winrate is going to drop to match the 2k player.
After an ammount of time it's going to increase back to 50% to match the 2k player skill.
50% in a MMR system means the player is not learning and also not forgetting anything.
Yes so the only way to win more is deleting the account memory by smurfing. No reward for players who play better when everyone wins the same amount.
The way to win more is by playing better you fucking retard(or worse if what you want is decrease your mmr). To do things that gives you an advantage that other players haven't recognized or only you is able to pull off. Or do things that you give a disadvantage if the intetion is to go go low in MMR.
A smurf is eventually going to be placed in the same 50% as the main account IF he plays exactly the same as his main account.
>just play better bro
>meanwhile worlds best players still have 50%
And they all smurf and you know fucking why.
Playing better is just one way to rank up
NOBODY HERE IS COMPLAINING ABOUT THEIR RANK. Yet every time it is brought into the equation like high rank justifies lack of wins. Are you a winner then really.
See, I wouldn't mind the whole "forced 50" thing if it was derived naturally over the course of hundreds of games by getting matched with people of similar skill. The thing is, that it doesn't seem to be that at all.
Instead of having a match history that looks something like...
> W, L, W, W, L, W, W, L, W, L, L
You get match history that looks something like...
>W, W, W, W, W, W, L, L, L, L, L, L,
If I win multiple games in a row I fucking stop playing for weeks because I know my next set of games will team me up with absolute shitters who will be 0 - 10 by 20 minutes.
>will team me up with absolute shitters
And do you think the game flag "shitters" just to put them in your team? A pool absolutely filled with retards handcrafted to ruin games?
Get real, you are where you need to be
nta
But yeah, the mid WD who gets arcane boots as his only item against ember really is the next Topson
There's clearly "high positive impact players" and "high negative impact players". And every now and then you get those 30-0 and 0-30 games because of this.
>A pool absolutely filled with retards handcrafted to ruin games?
Or, your know, maybe it just pulls people in from a lower skill bracket and forces them to play against people who are better than them?
I understand sometimes good players have bad games, it happens. But if I play five games in a row and get 2-3 people on my team who are clearly low-quality players, you might start to think something is up.
so how does this theory work exactly when you realize you aren’t the main character and other people have seen you playing poorly in a game and labeled you “clearly low-quality”
that's what ive been saying to these tards. they think theyre the only real person in the game and everyone else are bots designed to make them lose.
People take turns on being the main character. Sometimes you do really well (play against people who are worse than you) and sometimes your teammate players really well (same thing). And then other half of the games things are reversed and people start losing their shit because the last game they were doing so well. You can win games where you do nothing and lose games where you do everything. You never were the main character. Everyones just pawns.
Based on fantasy poins game determines your performance rating. Later it finds you a team so that you have both MMR parity and performance rating parity(so your overperforming impact rating is balanced by underperformers in your team and overperformers in enemy one). This way it ensures that the game is fair for teams. Game is still unfair for you, because you have a 50% chance to win IF you overperform, since system expects you to. It has around 20 games progression, after which, if you are still winning, you will be simply dumped in a smurf queue
>valve is actually using fantasy points system to "balance" the matches
It actually makes so much sense.
have you tried not losing?
>practically invents its own genre and still be the best at it
>an actual phenomenon and introduced a numerous paradigm shifts when it comes to video games but gets no recognition for it because of its skill and dedication ceiling
>even survived the market flood that it kickstarted
DotA is literally the greatest competitive multiplayer game ever made and the industry doesn't even care.
the more i play dota the more i appreciate it...and the more i hate it and it's playerbase. Such a cool game with so many moving pieces with such a shitty culture.
>more i hate it and it's playerbase
Literally every multiplayer game, thats not dota related.
You'll learn to appreciate the game more when you know the retards you are fighting against in your own team will be in any team game.
This. It's only fun if you have 4 bros who will play with you.
The industry only cares what makes the most money not how good it is, which is LoL by a mile
But yeah there is absolutely nothing out there that scratches the same itch, everything that tries is just a poor imitation of dota
>because of its skill and dedication ceiling
delusional
thanks for saying it Dota is the greatest game ever made when you look at everything it brings
aint no other mp game that is as dynamic and that is pretty much the closest thing to a virtual sport
The fuck is that video
a video how nba basketball really basketball in general has close similarities with dota
Is that your video, anon?
I guess if ur super into mobas but CS is literally factually undeniably the greatest comp game ever made. 20 years of cs balancing could fit into one dota update changelog. When you're perfect you don't change
>greatest game ever made
>breaks after every major patch
play with a full group of friends then
>if it wasn't for my team I would be in the highest skill bracket
this but un-ironically.
>blackheart bay
That isn't how any matchmaking rating actually works. What happens is that if you win a lot, you start playing against better players. You might think you're losing because of your teammates, but if you can't rise above a certain threshold consistently, over the course of repeated attempts, the problem is you. This is true of any game with ranking systems or skill based matchmaking or whatever you like to call it.
>this
If you have 50% WR, that's your rank.
its 50% queue not win rate retard, meaning if you won 5 games u will que next 5 games with people lost 5 games in a row
and the after you become the loser with 5 games a player who has won 5 games will come and carry you or fail again
Literal retards.
Cope, shitter. If that wasn't the case account boosters wouldn't exist.
If you can't understand the how or why of rigged matchmaking, you're a stupid retard.
That's just how it is.
>The why and how others can rank and I can't is because...because...BECAUSE I SAID SO OK???
>the psychology of why it would work is understood
>the mechanisms through which it would generate profit are understood
>companies patent systems for rigging matchmaking
>companies publish their own research on how and why they would do it
>but they wouldn't actually impleeent it because... THEY JUST WOULDN'T OKAY?!?!
Objective reality shouldn't be so upsetting for you.
I'm not seeing any sources linked
>S-S-SOURCE?!?!?
You can google it in seconds. EOMM.
Riot patented a rigging system, Blizzard did, EA basically admits to doing it.
Ironically the people most resistant to the reality of rigged matchmaking are low ranked. Not sure if it's a cope due to wasting so much time on something, embarrassment over being conned, and/or a correlation with low skill and low IQ.
again, what do you think would happen if you were put into a match of a higher rank? you think you'd do well, or do you think oyu'd get raped every single match/ get carried by teammates that are not shit
>what do you think would happen if you were put into a match of a higher rank?
What do YOU think would happen?
you'd be on the bottom of the leaderboard and the only way you'd win is by your teammate carrying you.
I'm sure that's what you tell yourself.
you are beyond retarded
I actually have an answer to this.
I was a perma gold nova csgo player.
Keep in mind i was unironically decent having played since 1.6 but cba to solo que spam so would play with myself or at most a friend probably 5 hours a week.
Made new friends who are LEM ranked
Magically hit global/supreme ranks (top 2 for non cs players) ever since. Even top frag regularly. Faced Complexity Fang yesterday on ancient and raped him.
Sometimes it really isnt you considering theres 4 other fucking people on your team anon XD
>talking out your ass
Dota outlined exactly how their algorithm works multiple times retard
>reality of rigged matchmaking
bro if you have a 50% winrate you just need to get better
Fags like you buy high rated accounts and immediately get fucked every game
Any high mmr player with your account would have 80+% wr
Again cope
Aren't you trannies usually anti-corporation? Why defend them so vehemently?
>Trannies
>anti corpo
>The people who disagree with me are bad at vidya, retarded, play too much vidya and are probably black too
Oh god the levels of cope, no moron only gays who are stuck in their appropiate bracket will whine about 50/50.
Anyone who is better than his current MMR will climb out just because he's better than that after enough games. Dilate
>upsetting
he isn't the one crying about losing games, you are
so you invent a scenario where it's not your fault since you have self esteem issues
many such cases, tale older than time
Mate, I started from Archon 3 and grinded all the way to Ancient 1.
It's HARD, yes.
You'll have to psychologically control your teammates in various ways to get them to do what you want without them realizing what you're doing (very useful skill to have irl as well).
Climbing is half skill and half mentality. Losing is TILTING to the average player, which means they're more likely to lose more once they're at a level where skill stops being relevant. Those that can reinforce their mental game, not tilt, and continue the grind are those who can climb.
I could've very likely gotten higher, but the climb took me about 3-4 months of constant playing, and the reward is just more and more climbing.
You can stop wherever you want and just loosen your mind and play for the 50-50. If you really want to climb though? You'll need to have a winner's mindset + the ability to influence your teammates, which most regular games will not have.
What pos did you climb with
lmao not another game on this earth that
you have to do that with unless we are talking about irl sports
>You'll have to psychologically control your teammates in various ways to get them to do what you want without them realizing what you're doing (very useful skill to have irl as well).
As someone who didn't choose the pos5 life, it chose me. This shit is spot on.
Make sure he's topped up on health pots even though he bought 3 fucking tangos. Feed him mana when he's low. Say 'gj' when he gets a kill after you set it up. Die in his place when he fucks up. That bro is going to be the happiest fucker in the game and will end up doing his best.
Asking politely for ganks and thanking them afterwards. Helping out other lanes when they struggle. Keeping the map warded. All these things will keep your team happy. Positivity will literally increase your win rate and help push you in to the higher ranks.
You are literally a fucking RETARD
its no secret theres a 50/50 win rate que its not something made up its a factual thing you stupid twat
I can force you so suck my cock but give u a 50% chance to refuse does that mean ur gonna suck my cock 50% of the time FAG
>there's 2 teams
>you're thrown into one of them
>your chances to win are exactly 50% unless you're Chad Thundercock playing against toddlers (smurfing)
moron if you're better than your current MMR you'll climb out until you're playing against players with similar skills at which point you'll end up back in 50% eventually. It's just basic math reasoning.
>the problem is you.
>lose game cuz teammate's carrier-pigeon internet d/c's and he never comes back
>lose game cuz pos5 gets angry that he didnt get mid, so he feeds
>lose game cuz smurf on enemy team
>lose game cuz enemy team has an archon who glitched into a herald lobby to powerlevel his friend
>lose game cuz enemy team has someone running vision hacks
>lose game because teammate carry is still trying to farm jungle for 70min when that meta was patched out years ago
nah lol
>win game because all of this happens to the enemy
ez mmr 🙂
Yes, I'm sure these things only happen to you.
Statistically it should happen to the enemy team more since you would never do any of those things.
Being able to tard wrangle is a skill
Valve literally outlined exactly how dota matchmaking works including the actual algorithm they use dumbest, there was even a large portion of the current patch notes dedicated to it
I literally got default pfp moira's doing 600dmg and not healing in my overwatch games in gold ranks
If you actually think there is no such thing as forced 50%, just play more comp games.
Some people can climb because there is a limit of how much system can ruin your game without being obvious, but if you play enough it becomes really noticeable. Id believe some people have "marks" on their accounts so they get queued in higher rank games just to fuck with someone and not let them rank up
yeah the forced winrate, ppl abandoning ruining the match, smurfs ruining the match, hackers ruining the match, matchmaking abusers ruining the match, feeders/griefers ruining the match sucks, but its still a comfy "right click cunts after work for an hour" game if you stick to botmatches and singleplayer game modes in the arcade like the tower defense games.
You mean the new map isnt some sort of sick joke and they arent actually going to remove it? I havent touched the game since I booted up the new map, saw the absolute clownfiesta it became and abandoned, thank you not-icefrog for curing my addiction
the new map is shit.
combined with fewer wards on a longer respawn time means you just never have vision.
the extra size of the map and repositioning of the trees means its much easier for enemy team to set up ganks for you, and fewer sentries means everyone picks invis heroes to scout out your jungle.
matches are all most 1-sided stompfests now where one team is getting raxxed at 20min with no hope to make a comeback.
also the current meta is Aura items, so whichever team sticks as a blob of 5 and ganks together wins.
if your carry has fucked off to jungle for an hour your fucked.
if your team has a support or something running off on their own you're fucked.
its probably the most boring, 5-man standing under a tower bullshit ive played in years.
>easier for enemy team to setup ganks on you
It goes both ways skill issue-kun
Yeah, its easily the worst patch ever, as bad as LoL is at least they dont pull retarded shit like forcing maps like this on you, I guess they figured that if the new doto map was optional nobody would play it, so they have to force feed this garbage into us, what in the absolute fuck were they thinking?!
>get put into a team with individuals
they are called grifters. Dota feels like a dead game because more than any other game you have people who literally have fun ruining games just to fuck with you. this is what you get when the game has no reporting systems that work. i started playing dota in 2009 but switched to LoL because of less grifters and ruiners.
you sound like you have a low behavioral score anon
it is so obvious you flame your teammates constantly in these games
team games are fucking garbage and doturd 2 is the worst of them all
I swear dota 2 doesn't just do a 50/50 thing.
There were absolutely "win" days and "lose" days when I played with my friends every day for like 3 years straight.
I'm talking one day we lose 4 in a row, the next day we win 4 in a row, repeat this for like 3 years straight. It's like they only update the mmo values daily or they were doing something else.
I heard someone find out that people get addicted more if they have long losestreaks and long winstreaks.
>Dota
Just don't move.
>bro dont move as this pudge hooks your ass!
jesus dotards really are retarded.
Secondary spotted
If you actually played the game you would know you have immunity when you respawn until you take an action so fountain farming for 20 minutes instead of finishing the game is pointless
Do you want fun or easy, earth spirit is always fun and basically anything works in pubs
>Do you want fun or easy,
i'm down for either though i'm not that skilled with micro if it requires it
Try earth spirit then, rolls around, saves, spreads aids and doesn't afraid of anything
Earth Spirit is one of those heroes where if the guy is not great at him, he's just a liability for the team to give the enemy free gold.
Yeah but he's extremely fun so if you start maining him you'll git gud decently fast and start being the chad of your team with clutch saves, catches and rolls instead of a liability
As someone who has 500+ games on earthspirit and pretty much just instapicks the hero, it's a really stressful hero to play, and was really hard for me to learn. Earthspirit is a really weird hero in that you are a melee hero with little to no survivability who has initiate skills you will likely not want to use to initiate (unless it's a situation where you can just catch the enemy offguard and you aren't rolling into more than 3 heroes). On earthspirit your number one goal is to stay alive. All your skills have low cooldowns and have a fucktone of impact, not to mention your ult completely relies on you being alive.
The hero has a fuckton of responsibilities, and if you're good at him you can do shit like blink into enemy team, ult, stoneform your carry who is being dueled, silence 3-5 motherfuckers for 3.5 seconds, kick your carry out, forcestaff and roll the fuck out of there, support the rest of the fight from afar keeping ult and silencing and slowing those motherfuckers until they ragequit the game, roll on stragglers and kill them, and slap the whole enemy teams gfs' asses.
Playing earthspirit from behind is completely different, and you pretty much will spend the time gripping allies and kicking them away while you look for openings which may never come. Some games I don't get a single ult off because if I try, I die. Also this patch fucked earthspirit a bit due to how open the map is. It's much harder to reliably gank without smoke. I know this because I went from a 25% winrate with the hero to a 50% winrate just by rolling on mids from the trees and pretty much giving mid a free win.
i understand what you mean but fuck you for potentially inflicting another ESmoron to the world
oh shit i didnt realize they finally infantilized the game that much, altho dota 2 quickly became a bastardization of what it should be anyway
>Haha look how shit Dota is!
>Actually that was fixed
>Erhm- that was actually good! Game is too casual now!!
Pathetic.
personal couriers was too far.
Anon even pro players were thanking valve for personal couriers, it was fucking cancer for anyone who wasn't the mid player and if you dared to try and ferry early game regen for your carry you were reported for griefing and the mid started running into their base to feed
The real reason though was to sell couriers because only being able to showcase your courier to the team if you're a supportkwab wasn't bringing in the roshan courier profits
It was pro that made Icefrog do this.
Imagine getting fountain farmed at fucking TI
God I miss Ti9 OG just mindbreaking everyone on main stage and even fountain diving in grand finals, dota will never reach that peak again
You are literally invincible when you spawn, for as long as you don't move. That includes pudge hooks, you can't be hooked with fountain invincibility.
>Revisar caso
What are the good position 1s these days? I'm getting pushed into it since my friends want to play dumb supports these days
Medusa, Phantom Lancer
skill issue.
Game has been shit and went downhill since they changed hero bounty
what are good position 4 heroes for a newshitter?
Ogre Magi and Jakiro are easy to play
I literally only play new techies when i play with my friends.
Can solo carry
Fun af after rework
Big damage
Hilarious to play
Makes enemy mald
Pretty easy
Hes the fucking goat
Who the actual fuck plays 4 and 5? You have to hate fun. Literally 8 out of 10 games my two supports just farm the entire game because no one wants to support in any videogame.
4 used to be fun when you roamed from lvl1. Now it is just 5(offlane)
Playing support is the most fun role in the game. I've grinded my way from Archon to divine 1 just maining pos 4 and 5
what heroes?
Depends on the patch. Riki support ofc is dead by now
when is sheever gonna show us her new fake tiddies aaaah
>FORCED 50
thats called being in the bracket you deserve
fucking cope
DotA may not do it but that is absolutely a thing that happens.
no it isnt. you're just coping. why do you even want to be in a higher rank? you think you can roll with those guys? if you're not constantly the top of leader boards in your current rank....you're at the skill level you belong in. get better at the game to rank up. stop buying into every conspiracy you ready on Ganker
>projecting
I don't play ranked modes, but this goes beyond ladder climbing as it effects potentially all MM-based games.
>I don't play ranked modes,
so you dont have any experience and are talking out of your ass spouting dumbass Gankerermin conspiracies.
explain how in a game of 10 players in each match, would they fix the outcome for all 10 players?
>they hand picked the other 4 retards on my team so they would play like shit and lower my rank
but what about the other 9 people in the match?
>can only play (Game) online
>everything possible is tracked, from performance to spending to network quality
>none of this could possibly be used to rig the match
50 / 50
Is there a bigger cope by shitters. By that logic if I fed down mid from minute zero I should be getting pros as teammates to force my win rate to 50.
The truth is you just stagnated and you refuse to improve nor acknowledge your mistakes
You are just stupid peruvian shitter to understand it.
You can give a retard a fighting chance on 1v1 with a stick but chances are your retarded ass will still fucking lose even with stick Retarded bitch
ESL-kun, you might be fucked over because your team is shit, but you're just as likely to win because the other team suffers from that very same MM.
Given enough dice rolls of the matchmaking system you'll either climb out of your trench if you're better than the average player, or you'll stay right where you belong.
>B-B-B-B-B-B-B-BUT MY TEAM....
The only common denominator is you, you won't get that shit pudge who can't hook anything besides allied catapults in enough games to actually change the big picture, but your retarded ass will be in every single one of them. Git gud
>NOOOOOO ITS THE MATCHMAKING ALGORITHM'S FAULT FOR HANDPICKING RETARDED TEAMMATES
The world doesn't revolve around you, there is no hyper intelligent AI giving you shit teammates theres only you
you missed "bloody bastard" gurjeet kun
AQUA Black
Why did this piece of shit and LoL survive and thrive over the decades while HotS died like a stray animal no one cares for? Is a higher barrier to entry ironically all the difference?
HotS was 3rd place and not very fun or interesting at launch, didnt let you be a carry god because your whole team had to share levels, filled with dumb gimmicks on every level and was painfully slow like LoL
Maybe they fixed all that shit later but by then way too late
>HotS died
works on my machine.
>Play treeant
>Rush midas into aghs
>Farm both jungles at the same time
>Never help
>Have the highest net worth at the end
Only way to have fun in this game
>Never help
>Lose everytime
>Scream at your teammates
Please stay in normal queue, bro
Russian tryhards flaming me is the other half of the fun. Amazingly it's like I'm not even playing and I still have a 47% winrate from when I get fed wins and my team 4v5 the other.
this to me is one of the most ffascinating things about dota. a game that requires teamwork has users like this that are extremely antisocial. how does someone like this even make it past the initial learning curve of dota ?
You get jaded and bitter when every single fucking game on US West is plagued with russians and peruvians.
Eventually you literally become the joker because society is such a clown fest
Because it's a game where everyone thinks they are the best and lives in cognitive dissonance about their losses, so they keep playing
This is the most accurate and concise description of team-based PvP games I've ever read.
Why did they kill the game anyway? It was good before they started trying to kill it
>beat challenges you're given
>game gives you harder challenges with better opponents and worse teammates
wait wtf shouldn't they have just given me free wins instead????
>double the size of the map
>add lots of side passages, extra jungle camps to farm in peace, xp runes, tormentors etc
>everyone still just runs down mid over and over until one team wipes
if anything i feel bad for the "he does it for free" intern who probably spent 6 months making the new map only for half of it to go unused
Git gud
yep thats why it became trash also every new hero they put out fucking suck cock and looks gay
sex with shadow demon (its a foursome)
>Zeus mid on my team
>he instantly DCs at start of game
>someone pauses
>scale his E
>he freaks out when he reconnects
Still one of my favorite griefs and it was so long ago. I felt positively devilish.
Game needs to die....... they should make a albion dota type game But it will remain trash steam game like team fortress or l4d
you MOBAfags have your own general, fuck off
>"I can't tolerate the MOBA general bcuz all general threads are nothing but porn and tripfags"
Oh... fair enough, welcome, I guess
Blame Riot and Valve, DotA used to be based until Riot stole everything and dumbed it down for ADHD zoomers, and Valve couldn't sue them out of existence, since DotA was also theft. Now Valve chases Riot and does all the dumb fucking things Riot does. The next step is selling themselves to China and replacing anything fun with gatcha mechanics and Chinese propaganda until every non-retarded Westerner quits DotA, just like happened with League.
Well, I don't actually know if DotA ever "suicided" a pro player for speaking out about rigged matchfixing, but Chinese League sure as fuck did murder picrel and make it look like a suicide.
You don't have to pull the dopamine lever anymore, Anon. They stopped giving food pellets a long time ago. Only Asians are stupid enough to stay in their skinner box.
what thing has valve stolen from league the
truth of the matter they been stealing from the most underrrated moba made in hots i have no problems with that since HOTS had so much great ideas
you need to be 18 to post here, Anon
You calling it MOBA literally outs you as a newfag. Opinion discarded.
>this commonly used word validates my mental delusion, I believe anything I want to regardless of logic or sanity
show triforce, you fucking chud
Only literally retarditors say MOBA, go back to wherever you came from gay, you don't belong here.
I don't see your triforce kid.
Tell me, what do you think of this picture of ShoeOnHead?
>Play 1st game
>Players know what they're doing
>Play 2nd
>Team is all over the fucking place
>get back from another overnight, 10 hour shoot
>play some early morning disc golf at the local 9
>take a shower, nap during the day
>wake up, have a beer and some chili, then hop into a single draft w/ the homies
>get to play some terrorblade and we make a gnarly comeback
life is good bros
I got tired of the ranking grind so I pretty much only play Ability Draft nowadays.
Take the -em pill and become a turbogay.
Just play with four friends retard.
>Playing Ranked. Let alone playing DotA without friends you can actually communicate with.
Some of the most ridiculously try hard matches I've ever experienced were in unranked games. In Ranked you just end up with MMR and Meta slaves with inflated egos who will throw at a hat's drop because of retarded reasons. MMR chasing is not fucking worth the stress, anon.
I bit the bullet and started playing carry o climb, its unnironicaly the only way, around 4-5k is where people have a generaly good understanding of what they should be doing and picking and i could go back to play the positions i enjoy (offlaner/pos5/mid). My recommendation to people who cant climb is to just tryhard and play carry, you will find it is sooooo much asier to climb. A lot people hardstuck on lower mmr, but who are actualy petty good, just play positions that end up being held hostage by the carry, since they are the "coddled" position whom the whole team orbitates around, the luxury of having time to farm while everyone else defends is massive. Major finding i had was the realization that yes, i am actualy fucking better than these animals, but i was playing a position where my talent was squandered by braindead carries/mids (pos1 players are by and large the dumbest players in the game, by far, even in the pro scene this is blatantly obvious >see Arteezy in comparison to Abed). I cant stress this enough, PLAY CARRY, even if you are a support/offlane main, PLAY CARRY until you reach an mmr where you are comfortable and start noticing your team arent as stupid and as throwy (it will still happen, but at a much,much lower degree). Peoplegive bad advice and honestly, dont understand hoiw bad it is in lower mmrs for people who are competent, but play in non-scaling positions. You see dumb moves in 5k, but you dont see retards lat picking medusa into antimage, or PL into earthshaker like you do in 2k, its night and day. Pos3 is BY FAR the worstposition to play in lower mmr, because pos4 is the "i have no idea what the fuck iam doing" position, and they will demolish your game even if they dont do so intentionaly. In lower mmr people dont have a good concept of what happens in "the other shoe" as they dont play varied roles.
i main pos4/5 the many games that amount of games where i am top support or mvp backed up by stratz and still lose because of a carry is kinda discourage me to play dota 2 then people tell me i have to win my lane to win the game and i do that and still lose i stack i ward the map i protect my carry and still cant win a fucking game
thats what was happening to me, constantly had mvp, most wards/sentries/ most assists, win lane hard, etc, then in a split second it all goes down the drain because the carry built the wrong items and died without buyback. And thats not counting when the game is lost in draft because of the carry (ie: last picking medusa into antimage and similar situations). Just play carry even if you hate it or find it boring (as i do), its the only way to climb consistently. Even if you are not very confident as pos1, i guarantee you will climb much easier if you have good game sense. Basic stuff like positioning, not showing in lanes, having correct itens, not dying like a moron 3km from your team, etc, makes much more difference than having 50gpm difference over the other carry. A pos5 player playing spectre is MUCH more effective than a pos1 player playing spectre, for example, simply due to priority awareness. A pos5 player will much more likely focus on killing enemy supports instead of instantly haunting the enemy carry for a dick contest or going for the centaur that harassed you lane because your monkey brain tunnel visioned into it.
How do I get good at Dotes to begin with? I play unranked and even as a new player everyone just gives me shit for literally everything I do. I just wanna carry in peace.
There is no such thing as carry in peace. Honestly, the biggest thing you can learn is to respond to teamfights, ganks and push the team to do stuff.
Use your fucking TPs so you stop losing 50 unfair fights before minute 30.
no such thing as peace for any role in the game if you want to be a carry in peace you gotta go to league you have to be aware of everything in dota 2
>everyone just gives me shit for literally everything I do
Ignore their bitching. Especially in unranked. If their retarded asses got matchmade with you in it then they're absolute dogshit players - and yes, there is a hidden MMR in unranked. It's why unranked games can honestly go from braindead players to some of the most tryhard games of DotA you will ever experience.
Best thing you can do as carry is learn when/how to properly join teamfight. If you just play farming simulator you have already lost, even if you somehow win you need to understand that everyone but you has been getting fucked in the ass non-stop in uneven teamfights because of you and they are angry as hell. Learn wich heroes you as a carry can kill fast and safely and take them out first. Learn to avoid wich heroes can fuck you over, for example, if you are palying juggernaught, dont try to manfight a slardar even if he has less networth than you, even if he dosent kill you, he will prevent you from killing supports. Learn hero matchups
Spectre is a good training wheels hero for that sort of thing, since her ultimate entirely revolves around her keeping an eye on what she wants to show up to a teamfight to actually contribute in. Plus, most other players will understand that when Spectre's ult isn't up then they have no reason to bitch that you didn't show up to fight, unless it's a base defense or something like that.
Which core heroes do you even recommend? I'm getting over a 60% winrate with supports like Lich/AA since I can just bully out most lanes and I only lose when we pick bad fights in the midgame. When I play carry though it's a different story. For context, I like playing Troll or Muerta. People endlessly start fights with no regard to my powerspikes/ultimate cooldowns, I get pinged for not being there and they've given the enemy carry an even bigger advantage when they die. It feels like every game starts as a loss that could turn into a win whilst when I play as a support its usually hopeful until my carry decides to throw randomly
as another anon mentioned, spectre is an excellent carry if you have good map awareness. Communicate that you will only show up to fights with your ult.
>I get pinged for not being there
Ping back that your ulti is on cooldown. Troll and Muerta are dogshit heroes without their ults. Or ping how much gold you need for a power spike item. You get the fact that players don't understand your powerspikes, but you need to also communicate this fact so that players do know them. And if they ignore you after you've told them then they can fuck off and take their L for all that it matters.
while it makes me laugh it's just demotivating as somebody who doesn't play much pos1 to ping that you have no ultimate, only for your teammates to get blinked/stunned a few seconds later. it just isn't the role for me. however, just playing a single game of pos1 gives me way more info on how to be a better pos 5 than just spamming that role.
Thats why you smurf on Heralds in a 5 stack. Way more fun than actually trying to be the next Miracle.
being real, if I just wanted to win all of my games I'd just play botmatches which is what I already do
>Oh no I'm forced to play versus equivalent opponents
How terrible
>Play Brewmaster
>Only start to panic in his ult when I have to tab to do shit
There an easier way to do this? Also, what the absolute fuck do I do with the Brewmaster Void stance?
>Earth when farming
>Storm to gank or just be faster
>Fire when fighting
The fuck do I use Void for?
I think you're the only basedmaster player here
Always love seeing a brew in my game preferably on my team
>Only start to panic in his ult when I have to tab to do shit
Tabbing is the easy way to do it. When you ult, your Earth Spirit is selected by default, then you tab once for Wind Spirit, tab three times for Void Spirit etc. You should be able to memorize it after some point. I think pros use Ctrl groups for each spirit, and I think that adding Void Spirit to default ulti was a mistake.
>Also, what the absolute fuck do I do with the Brewmaster Void stance?
Void stance is inferior to all other stances. It can be useful for slowing people as it acts as a free Skadi, but what is actually happening:
>if you are not in improved Earth or Wind stance, enemy team will DELETE you, no matter how many items you have
>your damage greatly diminishes if you are not in a fire stance
I think Void stance is great if you are ganking someone with another guy, but for Brewmaster there is literally no time to do that, you either 5v5 or farm to become beefy.
>Earth when farming
I use Fire or Wind when farming, Earth is only for dangerous areas where I can get ganked.
>It can be useful for slowing people
Does autos with it enabled slow people?
Yes, Void Stance slows movement speed when you auto-attack, and the slow is tripled if you have used Cinder Brew recently.
Don't use void for anything unless you're ganking someone with another person. cinder + urn + void slow will make them be a dead person
I have 55% winrate after about 6000 matches
Literal skill issue.
The way you go about winning more games than you lose isn't even about being in the top 1% of players. It's about being able to improve, surpassing the rating that the game puts you at. If you are never managing to win more than 50% of your games, then you are exactly the rating that the game has pegged you.
>over 10 years later
>Ganker still thinks that "forced 50%" is an actual thing because they can't understand how statistics work
Let's say you play Chess online.
You have an ELO of 1000.
The MATCHMAKING SYSTEM tries to find an opponent for you such as that, on average, there's a 50% chance for you to win, if both yours and your opponent's ratings are true.
THAT'S your "forced 50%" you fucking retards.
In team games obviously it's a little harder to predict an opponent team that's around the same "power" as yours, as anyone on your team or theirs that's in actuality has a much higher or lower rating than what the system thinks will probably mess with the evaluation.
But as games progress the system's fucking confidence in each player's actual rating goes up. Someone with a real rating that's lower than their system rating will inevitably go down over time, same as someone that has a real higher rating. If a "real" forced 50% existed something like smurfs or account boosters wouldn't exist.
But nope, because some smooth brained retarded gays saw a developer talking about how "over the long term all players will tend towards a 50% personal win rate" that instantly confirmed in their brain damaged minds that forced 50 is a real thing and we're all sheep being experimented on.
Fucking retarded gays
>Let's say you play Chess online.
ignored the rest of your post
in Chess you dont have 4 other SEA ladyboys on your team with 300ping and 0 behavior score shitting up your match for you.
It's not true for Dota 2.
Disparity between MMR can be great, but disparity between ACTUAL SKILL LEVEL is far greater than you can even imagine.
I am 2500 MMR, I have played Dota 2 for 10 years, and I know a lot of interactions and mechanics. Do I deserve it or not it's another question, but I assume that majority of players are like me. Yet when I'm supposed to lose, enemy team has a Tinker who shits on everyone with barrages of rockets and lasers, and my team has 4 people who have 0 clue about the game.
I mean if you have 2500 MMR and played 13k matches like me, you're supposed to know how to evaluate your and enemy strength - not to a precise degree - but at least somewhat close. Would you "go as 5" when the enemy has 30k+ gold advantage? My team would. Would you farm ancients near the tormentor or farm creeps deep into enemy territory? My team would do the latter. What would you do if you are playing a mid laner with full HP and MP, then your support comes in with a smoke gank on enemy mid? My mid would go "maan, why are you here? I'm not ready I can't do anything to this guy, stop stealing exp!". And it goes on and on and on. When it's my turn to win I get Miracle on Invoker, and we shit on an enemy team, when it's my turn to lose, I get retards who go like "what does this skill do?" and the enemy has "smurfs and boosters" who actually play like I would play. When it's my turn to win, my Anti-Mage carry assists me, and we kill a wounded enemy off-laner, with AM doing more than 50% of the damage. When it's my turn to lose, my Legion Commander core stays behind and does nothing to 20% HP enemy support and goes like "maan I can't hit them they are too strong". This is the forced fifty.
>13,000 matches
>2500mmr
I've played with people like you, and it's on you. If you were that much better than 2500mmr you would win more and increase mmr
forced 50% literally never makes sense. why were you chosen to sit at 2500mmr? why was the dude at 4000mmr chosen to sit there? when does anyones forced mmr actually kick in? how does the game know the mmr they deserve to be held at? it's retarded
you are bad at the game and therefore have low mmr, simple as.
Ok so if I'm bat at the game and I have 2500 MMR, I deserve that. How come I get people who are either playing like beasts or are absolute dogshit at the game? They arent 20% better or worse, they are 50-100% better and 80-90% worse. It's so clearly visible it's insane, and even if you try to remove "dunning-krueger lens" the difference is still visible. I don't want to say that "my team is always bad, and when we win, it's always on me" - this rarely happens, but what always happens is Grand Canyon disparity between teams and between people, who are at the same MMR.
GM Heroes of the storm here. Also i was 4k mmr back in the days when i played DOTO like 2 years+ ago.
Yes sometimes the game put you with people who are clearly bellow your skill level. But is not as much as people think. You have to take into account that some of this people you meet that you say are dogshit. some of them are good on few heroes only, some of them play new heroes that they have no idea how to play, sometime they just dont care, some time they dont even try and just play for fun on autopilot. etc... there are many individual player connected shit happening outside the mm system control.
Because people have good/bad games sometimes. Sometimes people play their best character and sometimes they have to play a role they are not so good at. You're so delusional lmao
>I am 2500 MMR, I have played Dota 2 for 10 years
Please tell me you haven't actually played for 10 years consistently, I literally just started playing Dota again after a 9 year hiatus and I'm playing at your MMR.
I know someone who started playing DotA back in 2005. He nowadays has over 5k hours in DOTA 2 and he's fucking 300MMR.
It's honestly impressive.
I'm convinced these people know something that I don't. About reality, I mean. Like they've realized some inner truth that I never will.
some people just do not put any effort into improving or having any reflection post-game on how to improve and just live game to game like that, and any slight chance of them turning their brains on and having any critical thought is shifted to 'muh team' like
and they move on to the next game
Are these MMR numbers the same as before? I haven't played in a long time and I was curious as to what 5300 translated to in modern dota ranking. i think im just gonna reinstall again
Ranks were all recently recalibrated, and it's using a new system, so you rank could vary a lot right now
Here's a comparison for pre-post changes
With the new calibration though rank decays a lot over time
No, they aren't. 5300 is like 3500 MMR
you've played 10 years of dota on autopilot
Dotards incorrectly think "forced 50" is real.
What they're REALLY upset about is how most games feel like they are out of their control, because of how snowbally the meta is.
playing dota made me hate Peruvians
god i hate them so much, never have i ever played with one who wasn't brain dead
please die irl PSG
I haven't played since 2015, should I do it?
no lol
There was a matchmaking update recently that changed the MMR distributions, but I'd still say 2500-3000 is the average andy range
Yes, I'm enjoying it a lot.
>people who buy accounts higher than their MMR quickly fall back to where they were before in a few weeks/months, some people even buying multiple accounts every year
>account boosters can take ANY account and boost them up to where their main account is around
>m-m-m-m-m-muh forced fifty!
As someone who started very late(2018-ish) I find DotA very fun and rewarding to play, you can even get profit from the items you get ingame.
I will play aghs bitch support alch, pos4 sniper, mid omni and there will be nothing you can do to stop me.
>be Crusader for as long as I remember
>stop caring about my mmr peen eventually
>MM update comes out
>shit throws me into Divine games
I fucking KNEW that the others always kept me down.
dunno how people can watch pros smurf and win 99% of matches on their way to their regular elo and think this is a thing
DOTARDS, I AM SO FUCKING HORNY
Sex makes you worse at dota
>forced 50 / 50
Yes, it's supposed to be an EVEN chance.
>forced 50 / 50
wich is fucking brocen because of smurfs and accbuyers
Reminder that DOTABUFF exists and any code monkey who's good at statistics could make a bot that could just scan through the hundreds of thousands of played games each day to see if forced 50 is true.
You can hide you data from Dotabuff
Ok. So? That's completely besides my point. Dotabuff has millions of games worth of data posted on it which someone with coding skill and a degree in statistics could analyze to see if there is a forced 50.
>So? That's completely besides my point.
Unreliable data retard.
How is the direct win and loss result of thousands of players unreliable data? This is the exact data you want. Literally couldn't be better.
Dota buff doesn't allow you to selectively only slow the games you win or the games you lose. You either hide your entire match history or you show it.
>show smurfs climbing, 20+ win streaks
>hide later
Retard.
Here's a lesson on statistics: You never want to work with unreliable data, there isn't literally a worse scenario for false results.
How is smurfing even possible if forced 50 is a thing you fucking retard? Some people are just magically exempt from forced 50 or do you think that there's a possibility of other factors being in play, like everyone not being equally good at the game?
>Show players climbing the ladder
Anon. Those are players winning games and climbing the ladder by being significantly better than their peers.
And given you know so much about statistics you should probably know about outlier elimination techniques. A 100 smurfs shouldn't be a problem in the sea of 100.000 normal players.
>only 100 smurfs
Good on you to know how to differentiate smurfs from normal players.
Just gave you a random number you autistic retard. The population of smurfs can't be that significant compared to the total population of normal players. You could easily filter them out through stupidly high winrates (90%).
And if smurfs ARE a significant part of the playerbase and they are all climbing than that itself is already evidence against the force 50% since these smurfs would have to play against each other too.
Now besides unreliable dataset from non-recorded matches, you also want to exclude normal player outliers with good winrate. Congrats retard, you made the result even worse.
Whats your next grand design?
>Bring up smurfs
>Explain how you can filter smurfs
>NO DON'T DO THAT!
Lmao you know nothing about this stuff.
I don't even think you need to filter them to begin with since your dumbass example where you have random smurfs who win 20 games and then hide their account on DOTA buff is a non-issue to begin with. You could just only include accounts who have visible match history for 2 years, for example. There is nothing about this dataset that is unreliable.
>Explain how you can filter smurfs
You didn't explain how to filter smurfs you retard, your solution was to literally delete every good winrate with more than 90%.
And there is a lot more that you can do since you can manipulate which matches you want recorded besides smurf.
Why do you think nobody is using Dotabuff for your retarded theory?
You still haven't explained how smurfing is possible in a forced 50/50 system, retard. Do you think that every smurf is a top 0.1% player?
>source: my ass
>moving goalpost now
you tried
What goalpost? If 50/50 is real: a 3k player can buy a 100 MMR account and would never be able to climb to 3k.
Who the fuck are all these players intentionally manipulating their dota buff data and why do you think these people can't be filtered out? You could pretty easily filter out people who actively hide their matchdata and only look at those who have had their matchdata continuously visible for a long stretch of time. Like 2 years or so.
And even if you somehow couldn't do this it still wouldn't matter because do you seriously fucking think that even more than a % of players actively hide and show their matchmaking data in a malicious attempt of fucking with their dotabuff history? Fuck off you retard.
>Why do you think nobody is using Dotabuff for your retarded theory?
Because force 50 doesn't exist to begin with and it's not worth investigating.
>Who the fuck are all these players intentionally manipulating their dota buff data
I am. I switch it off every time I try a new hero. Its not as uncommon as you think.
>nobody has used skewed data to prove my retarded theory, that means i'm right
ok
>I am a paranoid gay
No you people do not make up more than even a % of the playerbase. Most players don't even know you can hide their match history.
Then here's another surprise for you gay: Its hidden by default, so according to your theory the data is even more flawed because the majority dont use it.
>All game data is open information
>forced 50/50 schizos can't prove it exists either because it doesn't happen or none of them are intelligent enough to statistically analyze anything
How can legitimate boosting services exist in a 50/50 system?
Until SBMM hating fags can convincingly answer this, fuck off and git gud.
? how does 50/50 system stop anything about boosting services? boosters are thousands of mmr above the mmr they are boosting, not a little bit
Forced %50 is definetely a thing. It wouldnt be that bad if you didnt get matched with people with obvious issues (non stop griefing, total difference in rank) and get a 10 game loss streak.
Bad teammates once in a while is expected but not repeatedly.
lick lick lick
Earth Spirit
If you don't have 10K behavior score you aren't allowed to talk about winrrates
Fix your anger issues first
Forced 50 is literally the new "elo hell" from early 2010s'. Low iq individuals desperately trying to justify their inability to analyze their gameplay and improve.
valve literally admitted forced 50 in a blog post
Who is the most fun Difficulty 3 hero?
Rubrick, people get mad when you outplay them with their own spells
Such a great hero, I claimed his Arcana in the free BP thing.
>he still queues when he already knows the game is forced 50
your iq is showing
it's only 50/50 when he loses
i haven't played a game with forced 50 in years and i feel so much better lol. hearthstone, hots, lol, sc2, dota 2, and overwatch all use forced 50 and should not be played. d4 will probably have forced 50 too.
actually i dont know for sure if sc2 uses it, the other ones 100% have rigged matchmaking and use it to harvest matchmaking data. they use you like a lab rat.
But d4 is not session game. There is no definitive "win"
Lick it, you retarded fucking DOTARDS
w-which one?
>censored
Sniff sniff
I've spent around a year selling/buying accounts and boosting in league
insane how many third worlders buy accounts and then drop back to their trash elo right away
I can imagine the same shit happens in dota
I'll never play one of these games ever again, you're literally throwing away your free time with how shit everything is
>I've spent around a year selling/buying accounts and boosting in league
How much did you make?
enough to eat and pay the electricity bill and internet, nothing else
I couldn't find a job so I made money like that
I already hated the game so I was usually just selling low diamond accounts made in 3-4 days, I wasn't trying too hard because as soon as I was done I was playing other games
the only fun part was leveling up the accounts, I was playing arams instead of bot games
>Forced 50 / 50
Yea, when you win a lot you get matched against better players and get your ass whooped. That's all there is to it. Of course you're gonna lose more as your rank increases you fucking retard.
The little part you are missing is that I should also be matched with better teammates
You are getting better teammates too, on average, you're just an emotional retard with confirmation bias.
Whats your point then? Logic so far:
You get better -> you win more
You win more -> you get better teammates
You win more -> you get better enemies
At which point provided logic justifies "losing more"? Or the fact that majority of mmr changes are 4+ win/lose streak?
>At which point provided logic justifies "losing more"?
Because your skill doesn't hold up eventually. So you start losing. Did you expect to rise to 8k mmr without a bump in the road?
I don't think you even understand what the issue is. MMR shouldn't be a measure of how well you can carry a team. Who the fuck wants to play that sort of game? Who wants to be tested on that, every single game? What people want isn't to win, what they want is a decent game, and to be put on a team of retards just to balance your MMR will not give you a decent game.
>what they want is a decent game
I get decent balanced matches all the time at low 4k. Getting a match with 10 8.5k players where 4 of them is gona have to play support? That will never happen, so you will have to play unbalanced matches where you are forced to carry, you're just too good.
>skill doesn't hold up eventually
>You lose more the higher your MMR rises above your actual skill level
So what you are saying is that somehow my displayed skill is able to rise(and by a large marging) higher than my actual skill, and then I am put against(and with) people who's actual skill is equals to my displayed one? That would imply that those people are put at artifitial advantage/disadvantage(depending on the side), and that there is something apart from my actual skill that have put me there in the first place. Sound familiar, doesn't it?
>That would imply that those people are put at artifitial advantage/disadvantage(depending on the side)
No that doesn't imply that at all. I provided you a very clear-cut example of where a player will lose MMR. MMR exists because the system has no way of knowing how "good" you actually are, all it can do is source data and make judgement calls - with the most reliable data point being your win/loss ratio.
If you're an actual 1k player, playing on a 1k account you will literally never be matched with 3k players as your win/loss ratio will prevent your MMR rising to that point, as you play more and improve your MMR will improve but it will still be a non-linear upwards trending line.
Schizo post
>At which point provided logic justifies "losing more"?
Are you genuinely dumb anon? You lose more the higher your MMR rises above your actual skill level. If you were to give a 1k MMR player a 3k MMR account - they wouldn't stay at 3k MMR, a 2k MMR player might stay at around 3k MMR a marginally longer time but would still surely drop over time.
however in reality what happens is
>opposing team is the same
>you suddenly get people who dont say a single word and then delete items + feed down mid
source: 8.4k mmr
>B-B-BUT IN LOWER MMR ITS DIFFERENT BECAUSE TH-
i doubt it
The people who "delete items + feed down mid" in your 8k games probably have like 60% winrate overall for them to reach that rank, they're good players statistically. There's no way for the matchmaker to know if they are going to ruin that particular game. So they're not planted there to ruin your particular match.
game literally matches you with braindead invalids to compensate for your high recent win rate, if you have one
so instead of a guy who picks a tank on pos3, as it should be, you get retards who go antimage or alchemist, which are pos1 farmers
low iq = shit picks =low winrate
if you won 80% out of recent 10 games you'll start getting people who won 10-20% on core positions, to make it "EQUAL" to form "50% probability of a win"
Those "braindead invalids" have the same rank as you, and you are trying your ass off lmfao. Statistically that player is as good as you and are having a bad game. Of course, you yourself never have bad games cause you're so good at the game (so good that you are the same rank as braindead invalids...)
>Those "braindead invalids" have the same rank as you,
You think it matches similar MMR instead of achieving an average? How quaint
>You think it matches similar MMR instead of achieving an average?
Bro it fluctuates like 100-200mmr unless you are 7k+. You're at the same level as braindead retards, you suck ass the game + you are an emotional retard crybaby math imbecile of a grown ass man. Sad.
Yeah I'm sure it does
No retard. The game finds a group of players necessary to form 2 teams of equal MMR. There will absolutely be fluctuations in skill level between players, but within reason, ie a 7k lobby isn't going to have a random 500 MMR player in it. So it logically follows that if you have recently won 5 matches and have had a spike in MMR, the matchmaking system will see you as a "star player" and won't match you with teammates that have much higher MMR than yours and will likely give you a shittier teammate to compensate.
However: the key point that 50/50 retards can't seem to grasp is that this system applies to every single players, yes, believe it or not, there are people who can still win games even if one of their teammates is much worse than them - shocking, I know.
>Playing a MOBA that isn't the og Dota
Yes, same with league
I wish it paired you with strong teammates and even stronger opponents. It doesn't. Instead, it just pairs you with the most dogshit brain-dead morons in existence with mildly good opponents.
that's why also, when on a solid stack of 5 competant people, the sbmm breaks down completely and instead throws 20-30 min queues at you.
Yes, you're the one player that doesn't deserve to be in shitlow but can't get out because everything is rigged against you, lmao.
Everyone else says the same
The game would be more fun if MMR didn't exist, and it just matched you completely randomly
Fuck matchmaking, bring back dedicated servers.
There is no inherent problem with "forced 50" or whatever is going on behind the scenes, the issue is it seems to swing it way to far in either direction.
There is rarely a game that feels like it was somewhat evenly matched, games are usually complete stomps for one team, win or lose.
I don't know if that's just tied to the nature of the game itself or if the algorithm is just that shit.
I have no problem with being put against better players I can compete with and learn from, but when me and my entire team just get farmed for 30 fucking minutes, it is just pointless. Same goes for when I'm on the winning team, the other team is so bad my brain just turns off and I afk farm until their ancient spontaneously combusts.
This is true, it's why they invented the rubber banding mechanics
EXACTLY
it is always complete, utter stomps that are either extremely boring or frustrating when you are on the receiving end. The best matches are the rare ones that are evenly matched, but these are too few and far between
>Shitters crying
>click play game button
>40 minutes stolen
They should make game twice as fast.
They did
It's called "Turbo"
Unranked only
are there any new heroes I should look at? I stopped playing I think when terrorblade was brought in
Monkey king and willow are fun. Everything else is slop
here's all the ones since terrorblade
the only one I dislike is hoodwink because idiot teammates always pick her after I pick a hero who destroys trees
>12 new heroes since WC3 dota
its over
Nah.
>be me
>starting playing dota for the first time in 2012
>ranked comes out and i'm calibrated at 3.8k mmr in december 2013
>almost exactly 2 years later, 2015, i get to 5k
wtf, forced50%bros, why did my rank go up?
inflation
how can inflation explain the new stuff i had to learn in order to have an advantage?
how can inflation explain people who stood in the same range or lost mmr in the hundreds and thousands?
League of Legends is better than Dota Pajeet 2.
>uninstall
>NOOOO CONSUMER I MUST DICTATE YOUR FUN WITH OUR SBMM
Sad, many such cases!
>seldom good marci porn
>$500 paywall cosmetics for an entirely community funded game
>exclusive cosmetics that you can n ever ever get ever again even if you wanted to pay
>this patch still has unplayable heroes (lina, razor, etc.)
I love it but I hate it
Whats there is quality, there's less Dota porn compared to league
>this patch still has unplayable heroes (lina, razor, etc.)
What in the fuck are you on about? That was last patch, its ~~*(Medusa*~~) and Arctic Wyvern now
Bro?????????????????????????????? Medusa is the best hero in the game
I thought he meant unplayable as in against
My mistake
But yeah, Medusa is still fucked even after this patch
This recent patch is baffling to me. A lot of the new ideas and changes seem either poorly implemented or outright bad. Perhaps my biggest gripe about the patch is that it's switched the game back towards being focused on 5-man murder ball. I like a good team fight as much as the next guy, but god damn, we're back to brawling 90% of the time now.
Higher barrier to entry = fewer players. Fewer players = less porn.
Is Dota 2 gaining traction as of late? I swear it's starting to after all the shit LoL has been doing.
>Dotashit 2 remains a dead game for FOURTEEN consecutive years of getting BTFO by the superior MOBA aka League of Legends
KWAB
That means people would rather watch streamers playing LoL than playing. LoL sucks and proof of that is most players dislike playing ranked, some only play ARAM which is basically not LoL
>bitter post full of nothing but COPE and tears from a thirdie who is stuck playing a shitty dead game like dota 2
>2022
>stuck playing a game
>they're both free
whatever helps you sleep at night, buddy
more people need to be permabanned
if you delete your items or get enough reports and it gets escalated high enough. you should get a vac ban
valve has no fucking balls
too many people think they are the main character
I really dont get the forced 50/50 retards. Isn't it a good thing? If you had more skill, you would raise the ranks, if not, you stop exactly where you are.
Are you some retarded Archon that wants to be matched with Ancients to get carried? Is that the only way you will find the matching "fair"?
50 / 50
Cope and seethe fucking noob
I used to be immortal in SEA when i played this shit game and it never gets better, you have a warped view of the difference between high and low rank games.
You were more likely to get roaming pos4 snipers maxing shrapnel in 5k+mmr than you were in the shitter brackets. It never gets better.
Regardless of their retardation, there is a skill gap and in a 2k game i could carry 85~% of games playing that same sniper, same build, every game as everyone is so bad at basic mechanics it practically plays itself. Take, for example, your humble slav booster. These subhumans would not be able to afford their vodka and cigarettes if there was not a consistent way for them to gain MMR in shitter brackets.
Forced 50 is a myth and you are at the rank you deserve to have, sorry. Find some solace in the fact that Immortal games have the same problems as 2k but are more frustrating because of the higher expectation you have of your teammates not being retarded.
>check out game after a while
>limited battle pass cosmetics
how the fuck does gaben get away with this
dota has easily the best monetization in any game ever
the entire game is literally free
Literally all videogames now have limited battle pass cosmetics. What's way too fucking much is how slow you complete the dota battle pass that you MUST buy the level ups.