Fucking memory holed.

Fucking memory holed.

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    nah I just stopped caring. I waited my entire life for KH3. Something Kingdom Hearts 4 just feels inherently wrong for some reason.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      same

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It just had the misfortune of being a SE property during the timeframe where they couldn't make big new games
      It still kept on trucking regardless and didn't really depend on the numbered entries, so it could've been worse

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      pretty much this

      3 really killed my excitement for the series since I was so hyped for it and seeing another mobile story tie in game, i just stopped caring about nomuras ruse cruise

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Similar here.
      I didn't exactly "wait" for KH3 since I thought KH2 was a great ending and wasn't interested in any of the following games besides BBS.
      When KH3 came out, I played it and it just really missed the mark on what I liked about the PS2 games. KH3 wasn't a sequel to KH2, it was a sequel to all the non-numbered titles I didn't bother with. It also felt more interested in squel-baiting than actually resolving the storylines from previous games

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >It also felt more interested in squel-baiting than actually resolving the storylines from previous games
        This is the thing I hated the most. Kingdom Hearts has had some mechanically underwhelming games but I still liked them. People have bitched at BBS ad nauseam but I still played every route twice. I can forgive mechanical issues as long as it's good enough. Narratively Kingdom Hearts is utterly insane. But everyone already knows that. It's a JRPG featuring Disney characters, the fact that the plot borderlines on comprehensible is good enough. Because at the end of the day all of it was going somewhere. Kingdom Hearts 3 was the big finale that would've made all of it worth it. Just to get there and realize it was tainted because Nomura STILL can't let go of the memory of Versus 13.

        For reference even if you did not give a flying fuck about Foretellers or Dandelions or Luxu playing 5D chess with all of humanity. On a practical level the Disney Worlds ended up being pointless bullshit. The Final Fantasy characters are MIA unless you bought the DLC at which point they're still worthless. The big bad tried to have a face turn at the last second which meant nothing unless you played 2 mobile titles. It's just that all of this shit hurts a lot more when you invested a decade into waiting to see where this goes.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i am excited for strelitzia 3d model

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    why can't i be a cute boy

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    3 killed the hype, no one will buy FFV7R part 2 because they know this is a retarded fanfiction now and not an actual remake, NEO twewy and SoP bombed. Nomura's career is done

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Nomura's career is done
      Never, Nomura has survived despite the odds. Once the FF7 Remake Trilogy is finished. He and Toriyama will unveil FFX-3, and that shall save S-E once again

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >FF7R
      >retarded fanfiction
      ESL-kun please that's exactly why I like it

      Final Fantasy 15 is dogshit

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Never got into the series. Why was KH3 poorly received?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bad combat, bad story, shit level design and pacing. Basically the same issues the KH series has had since after KH1 but the people hyped for 3 weren't kids anymore.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >muh nostalgia
        KH2 is one of the best action games ever made, its team just broke up and the combat director moved on to making FF spinoffs

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Lol no, kh2's combat is dogshit outside the post game. Even journos called it out for being press X to win

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >combat is dogshit outside of the parts of the game that offer challenge
            lmao, it's almost like the combat isn't the problem

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            kh2's combat is good start to finish and the progression of it is very satisfying

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No the combat director was fired because his battle system was too complex for people who only play Skyrim, Mass Effect, Uncharted, Assassin's Creed, and Call of Duty. I don't think he left out of choice before Duscae.

          Somehow this included Hajime Tabata, and zoomers and journalists alike praised FFXV's combat for being very simple and easy to get into.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        3 was a good slap in the face to me with the series. I don't care anymore about any of the characters, especially Sora. If it was a new protagonist and new cast of characters I may be more interested. On top of that, the combat looks like 3 only flashier. And it will have Star Wars. 3 had me one foot out the door, and with 4 I no longer care. Sucks because I liked KH up till now. I played almost all the games.

        I think the games usually play well, especially 1 and 2. The switch to the new engine must have messed things up. Even the 0.2 demo/game didn't play as bad as 3. I don't get how they messed it up so bad.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Crappy combat and clusterfuck story that needed to be "fixed" in a paid DLC expansion
      Also most of the game is spent in godawful disney worlds for no reason
      Basically every flaw the series already had, but magnified and without any saving grace to distract from it

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      in terms of story
      >DDD irrevocably fucked the story by incorporating time travel. This meant for KH3 all the bad guys who you already defeated are back because nonsense reasons. Also some of the nobodies who got recompleted got renobodied again just so they could be villains again.
      >Disney worlds don't really seem to tie into the main story at all
      >Everyone was anticipating finding out what was in the box and that still hasn't been answered. A literal mystery box and they didn't open it.

      in terms of gameplay
      >animations feel choppier and rougher compared to KH2
      >keyblade formchanges are a good idea implemented terribly. Instead of being like DMC weapons where you can switch between them to do fun combos, you have to fill a meter to perform them and almost all of them are just the same button mashy shit. Also a good number of formchanges are outright copy+pasted
      >twilight town is significantly smaller than it was in KH2 for some reason
      >some of the Disney worlds are pretty lackluster. Frozen was terrible and broke the cardinal rule of not having the actual Disney songs in the game for some reason. The story is also unfollowable unless you've seen the movie. Big Hero Six is just open/empty meme. Tangled is just samey with very few actual locations from the movie, it's mainly just nondescript forest. There's also no second visits.

      Re:mind made the combat a bit better and added some dope superbosses but KH3 on launch was pretty rough.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Never got into the series. Why was KH3 poorly received?

        >undid all the character deaths that had weight because 'lol doll bodies'
        >thereby retroactively making stuff like xion dying, roxas and namine meeting in sora and kairi's eyes ring hollow

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The entire point of Sora's journey was to protect every smile and save the day. And he did.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            But having Roxas and Namine come back completely undoes the kino start of KH2, which was perfectly bittersweet.

            Roxas found happiness merged with Sora. It was a good way to end his character arc.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Roxas found happiness merged with Sora.
              I don't think we saw the same scenes

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >you make a good other
                >namine and roxas being happy they met again when kairi and sora reunite

                Yeah he was sour at the start, but it seems he came to peace with being part of Sora, and he got to see his waifu again.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >A literal mystery box and they didn't open it.
        The owner of the box still lives. They have no obligation to reveal what's in it into MoM springs his plan at last.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >A literal mystery box and they didn't open it.
        The owner of the box still lives. They have no obligation to reveal what's in it into MoM springs his plan at last.

        How long has the box been a thing now?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      it was worse than 2 in almost every aspect, it wasn't a bad game though. just not as good as people hoped. in my opinion the story was probably the worst part of it and that's also the part people care about the most. the KH story has gotten so stupid at this point that i'm just in it for the gameplay

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The gameplay and power levels have gotten more and more larger than life with every game, so while idiots who only play the numbered entries expected more KH2 from 3, they instead got a spectacle extravaganza with a focus on a ton of small tools that send you flying around like Yoda fighting Dooku instead of standing your ground and fighting in a way that resembles a swordsman.
      Story-wise, all the games prior to KH3 sucked up all the narrative KH3 could have had so when tasked with rationalizing the climb from level 1 to 40, the writers...Did nothing until the end, leaving the first 80% of the game feeling like a training montage without the merciful jump cuts to later events.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      like the other replies said but also extreme disney interference is another people don't mention enough, they went a little too overboard with kh3 imo fuuuuuuck that frozen world and it's stupid olaf collectathon

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It doesn't have a plot. It's a 40 hour game where they tell you at the start "You're going to fight this bad guy", and then there are zero twists and turns, and at the end you fight that bad guy and that's it. It's not even like it's a journey to find him or something. You can only play the first level and the last level and you will have missed nothing. It's a fun game, but it's entirely forgettable because the whole thing feels like DLC level packs.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don’t think KH3 is a bad game (far from it, in fact) but it’s not as mechanically cohesive as KH2FM was. KH3’s combat being more “floaty” doesn’t bother me when you have defensive options in the air unlike in the other Osaka games, but it does bother me when stuff like the Disney rides exist that feel out of place with the rest of KH3’s mechanics (though thankfully you can turn them off in Critical thanks to patches)
      >”Okay, so we have a combat system that rewards player aggression and being able to react and interact to/with attacks in an instant. What else should we add?”
      >“I dunno, just give em an interactive mini game that just has you pressing one button and interrupting gameplay flow.”
      It also doesn’t help that a lot of Sora’s toolset tends to fall into this category. For example, in KH2FM, summons don't strip away player agency as Sora can still attack and do all the shenanigans inherent to his toolkit. The combat continues to stay immediate, active, and the flow is never interrupted. This is why I didn’t particularly like it when KH3 took the overcinematic route and made summons and limits cutscenes/button prompt minigames. It's less engaging, at least for me, to have my moveset be stripped away for some mindless single button mashing, excluding Stitch and Ralph, but even that is boring. Not to mention Shotlocks bring the pacing of a fight to a screeching halt if you choose to use them and Situation Commands are somewhat random as the exact same sequence of attacks and magic can end in different results.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I don't think [Vanilla Initially Released Game] is a bad game but it’s not as mechanically cohesive as [Updated Re-release of Game]

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No offense dude but I’m getting tired of the “wait for the rerelease defense.” Even after ReMind, several of Sora’s toolkit still remains AoE focused in the base game with no real cohesion between the mechanics.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I know, I just got tickled by that statement in your post. No offense intended.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The pacing was terrible and the story disappointing (DDD was a mistake)
      The combat was a letdown after KH2 and I fucking hated that shitty disneyland system
      at least Rapunzel was cute as f

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      After BBS the series' ongoing plot was incredibly threadbare and pretty much consisted of hyping up that something cool will happen at the conclusion to this "saga", while using the 80% of each game made up of disney shit as nothing but filler between an introduction and a climax. People deluded themselves into thinking it was all building to something big in 3 and not that this is just how Nomura does stories, and were then given a reality check when 3 turned out to be more of the same but with the climax of the mobile game's story instead of 3 as the big "something cool will happen" point.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      another case of Duke Nukem Forever - people have been waiting for it for SO LONG that their expectations were impossible to satisfy
      and it doesn't help that KH3 already had a shitton of issues
      >Tokyo team (the devs who were supposed to amke KH3) sat on Versus for so long that eventually Square-Enix got tired of Nomura's bullshit and forced Versus to be replaced with FFXV (thus many of Tokyo team's members just left)
      >KH3 development was given to Osaka team, who wasted one year with Luminous engine (aka Versus) only to give up and switch to UE4 (because only Tokyo team was able to work with Luminous)
      >the plot bloat between KH2 and KH3 (Days / Coded / BBS / DDD / 0.2) was much bigger than between KH1 and KH2 (CoM), all because KH3 couldn't be made earlier due to Tokyo team working on Versus
      >FF part of the series was completely dropped (until people whined enough for Nomura to bring them back in Remind)
      >Disney part of the series is still pretty much irrelevant after KH1 and never does anything important to actual plot
      >OC worlds are pretty much gone (Twilight Town lost 80% of its content, Radiant Garden is outright unplayable, Land of Departure is still one room world, Keyblade Graveyard got even worse than in BBS and turned into FFXIII's corridor galore, Realm of Darkness is still unexplorable) - the days of Traverse Town / End of the World / TWTNW are long gone
      >first 95% of the game are filler in terms of plot
      >game was piss easy on release due to lack of Critical Mode, and Critical Mode punish magic builds way too hard (so people just abuse Summons instead)
      >majority of plotlines were resolved in very unsatisfying way
      I could go on, but let's just say that many people won't stick to Nomura's wild ride after KH3.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        team (the devs who were supposed to amke KH3) sat on Versus for so long that eventually Square-Enix got tired of Nomura's bullshit and forced Versus to be replaced with FFXV (thus many of Tokyo team's members just left)
        >KH3 development was given to Osaka team, who wasted one year with Luminous engine (aka Versus) only to give up and switch to UE4 (because only Tokyo team was able to work with Luminous)
        Weren't they also split up on 13 and 14 1.0? They worked on Versus for a year and then Tabata ousted most of the leadership.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No. You're thinking of the Crystal Tools engine team having to make features on an as-needed basis for XIII, Agito XIII, and XIV1.0 simultaneously.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            crystal tools was also going to be the versus engine anon

            osaka actually did internal tests for kh on ue3 before luminous got cemented

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i'm real interested in how this will sell. KH3 didn't have great legs.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm worried about. Nomura has set up a billion characters and plot threads, what if he doesn't get to finish the story?

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nomura-chads, we won

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Memory holed?

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nomura will finally be able to reuse and reimplement ideas from the cancelled Versus XIII project. It's going to be glorious...

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >KH4 is just Sora meeting and beating the Foreteller's asses while the plot of FF VersusXIII occurs in the background
      >The latter is hilariously given far more effort and care, making a bizarre case of not caring as much when the gameplay comes back, because it means you need to finish another world just to see more of the side story that genuinely matters more than what you're doing

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      he was going to make a Verum Rex game but chose to do KH4 instead because he didn't want to make fans wonder what happened to Sora

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That never happened.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://www.thegamer.com/nomura-kingdom-hearts-4-over-verum-rex-worried-sora/

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    nice bait, Barry

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I really hope Sora isn't a complete retard in this one. He's been like that since Dream Drop

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Playing through all the KH games on the highest level available in the 3 months before KH3 dropped was the most fun I've had with video games in the last 10 years at least. I'm so sad KH3 was so dissapointing to me.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I am excited for Kingdom Hearts IV. I'm not neck-deep in all the lore stuff, but I have been wanting them to embrace the Square side of things for a while. This looks like Nomura re-tooling whatever they killed off in Versus.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    KH3 disappointed me after all that wait, but my heart is screaming in anticipation for what comes next just because nomura is pulling things from versus and I need to know why the fuck hes doing that and what it means

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >my heart is screaming in anticipation for what comes next just because nomura is pulling things from versus and I need to know why the fuck hes doing that and what it means
      How have we gone this long (days actually with Versus discourse, Nomura interviews and even one Tokyo Team anon appearance and yet still we haven't seen the Stellafag writeups?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >broke: The Stellafag writeups
        >woke: why Nomura needs to add gambits in 7R to satisfy the Matsuno side of the FF fanbase
        >bespoke: political intrigue and dark anime doesn't belong in FF and KH is a metastasizing chuuni cancer

        Remember when Mana and FFCC were what Square had? No. Fucking zoomers.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, the world of "Fiction" has been introduced, which is the land of the truly dead and misfit toys. He's just sticking Yozora in as a reference to XIII being his baby and being dead, thus elements of the version of FF15 that never was would be here, along with all the other ideas that got binned before their time.
      With that in mind, I fully expect to see a lion kid with a chainsaw keyblade in the new story arc.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Isn't Yozora supposed to represent Nomura who died inside after Yoichi Wada took the company to Shinjuku and Yosuke Matsuda (one of Wada's cronies) took everything about Versus XIII and chucked it out the window for Western market mass appeal?

        Yozora is being driven to Shinjuku by Luxord after all, Luxord might kill him like Gladio tried to in the original Versus proposal

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nah, he's just "Not-Noctis".

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    KH3's problems are also DDD's problems

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I didn't give a fuck about the story. I didn't give a fuck about the shit combat, or the shit art, or the shit Disney worlds. Sora didn't rail Kairi into oblivion by the end of 3 so it's dead to me.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Most rational people are through with the series
    Also nobody expects this to come out this decade

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, it's the next game coming. Don't project because your dumbass thought the non-numbered titles weren't canon.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    God, I hope this look is just for this specific world. Hope they change Sora's hair also because this dude can be anyone.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Hope they change Sora's hair
      There's official art of Sora doing the cheeky "four" with his fingers and his design is how he appears in that pic. This new appearance is here to stay.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm still interested in the series but this probably won't be a day 1 purchase like 3

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Disney is shit, Square Enix is a shovelware company still riding the 90's nostalgia wave, Nomura is a washed up hack. Fuck Kingdom Hearts, it was never good.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No one cares anymore

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why would you like the dullest game franchise in the history of game franchises? Seriously each installment following the boy with an oversized key and his boyfriend Riku as they fight assorted silver haired villains in Disney worlds has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the not so subtle allegories to the real world, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and over-use of exposition, all to make intrigue uninteresting, to make action seem inert.

    Perhaps the die was cast when Nomura brought Xehanort back to life at the end of Dream Drop Distance; he made sure whatever he made from then on would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody. Just ridiculously profitable crap to shit out for whenever he needs a quick pay-check. The Kingdom Hearts series might be anti-darkness (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-Falcom series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.

    >A-at least the bosses are good

    “No!”

    The programming is dreadful; the games were terrible. Graviga+Stop spam is enough to break the game. As I played, I noticed that every time a character lost their heart, the author wrote instead "heartless." I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Nomura’s mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that he has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of the Kingdom Hearts series by the same Toshihiro Kondo. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are playing Kingdom Hearts at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to play The Legend of Heroes: Kuro no Kiseki." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you play "Kingdom Hearts" you are, in fact, trained to play Kiseki.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Please tell me this is pasta

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Are you new?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don't follow your autistic circlejerks

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Nomura/Nojima tandem only works out when kept on a tight leash.
    When left to their devices they go way too hard on their convoluted plot/timetravel/clone fetishes.

    Original FF VII already had those elements, but the compilation games and KH series allowed them to go full throttle on those, and then they turned FF VII Remake into Kingdom Hearts, white time jannies, time-traveling multiple Xehan- err Sephiroths.

    I hope they never get FF X-3 greenlit.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Using an entire decade to shit out KH3 will do that to your series. Its abundantly clear to anyone who gives a shit that it isnt worth waiting for, since youre waiting for more shit that tries to tell you the series needs to go on for longer. KH3 ruined any sort of long lasting interest i had in any of squares IPs and thats not good for already long games owing themselves to a fucking long series. I know theyre gonna drag it our, milk it, and so i dont give a fuck about the "next" "final" installment. I cant.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nomura will never finish KH, because it's a cash cow that keeps him relevant and guarantees profit for Square Enix.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly I'm not even sure why people were hyping up KH3. I did after playing KH2 back in the day but only because I didn't realize the side games that were coming out were actually main games. Aside from seeing the series return to home console I don't know what people were expecting from KH3 that they thought was going to be different from the games they were already getting.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well, a real combat system, for one

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    KH3 plays well, it's just you get nothing worth fighting until post launch gave critical mode and re:mind gave you the datas it suffers from the story and content being loaded all the way into the back of the game. Everyone saying the game is dead because it was floaty parroting content creators was hilarious though because that was a non issue.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Release one (1) trailer
    >Never elaborate or show more
    Gee I wonder why nobody is talking about it

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What is Sora doing in the MCU?

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Fucking memory holed.

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    series peaked at 2

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    When are we likely to get news next? It was nice to finally get the rest of Dark Road, but that only gave a slight idea of what might be happening next.

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