Can't we just ignore all the non-ace and joker cards? It's the same probability if we only had those 5 cards basically. In which case the probability of turning over all 4 non-jokers in a row would be (4/5)x(3/4)x(2/3)x(1/2) = 24/120 = 1/5.

I haven't seen that one, but for me it was: >wHiCh Of tHeSe DoLls Is Similar?!? :^) >that one with the indiscrete building being the answer because lul >the ones with intentionally misleading and confusing ways to ask the question
Not to mention the infamous chocolate bar one.

Out of curiosity, could some of the jank involving the puzzles could be becouse its a translation from a japanese game? I know they really like stupid puns, maybe some things get lost in translation
pic unrelated

Some puzzles were changed, removed or added to overcome the language barrier. In OP's case it's just a brainlet filter. Look at the retards in this very thread who don't even understand why the non-ace or joker cards are irrelevant

TCRF has a page comparing puzzles which were changed for the western release.
https://tcrf.net/Professor_Layton_and_the_Curious_Village/Lost_in_Translation

Can't we just ignore all the non-ace and joker cards? It's the same probability if we only had those 5 cards basically. In which case the probability of turning over all 4 non-jokers in a row would be (4/5)x(3/4)x(2/3)x(1/2) = 24/120 = 1/5.

The other cards don't matter. There are five cards to draw. First card is 1/5, then 1/4, then 1/3, and if he still hasn't drawn the joker it's a 1/2 or 50% chance on the last draw.

Why is that assumption necessary?
You can turn over all 53 cards before the game ends (because by coincidence the last card is the joker) and the logic still holds

The other cards don't matter. There are five cards to draw. First card is 1/5, then 1/4, then 1/3, and if he still hasn't drawn the joker it's a 1/2 or 50% chance on the last draw.

the real answer is why the fuck would I waste my time answering this shit
why the fuck did school barrage be with this useless shit instead of teaching me how to do taxes or file a resume or talk to girls
I fucking hate school so much

One year I was extremely broke and one of my tax programs didn't give me a refund worth shit.
It took like an hour to teach myself to do my taxes with a calculator and find out the program was trying to israelite me.
The people that say shit like the quoted anon wouldn't have paid attention in school even if they taught taxes.

I was thinking of doing that myself one year. Did you get yourself back like a few hundred dollars you wouldn't have normally got? I figured the difference would be only like $20 or something which made me think its not worth my time.

I actually did and it made a hella difference.
Now I make sure I get 0 refund or owe a little because I will not be giving the government an interest free loan.

Make them a test of logic and reductional reasoning instead of asking confusing questions and making it clear what the answers are. The Impossible Quiz makes more sense than some Layton puzzles do.

See, when it comes to a Layton puzzle the answer could easily be 'he had his eyes closed when he put the cards on the table but then opened them to turn the cards over'. Logic isn't at home here.

20%. There are only 5 cards that actually matter, and the question is essentially one of which of those 5 cards will be the last one to be turned over. They all have an equal chance of being the last one, and there are 5, so 1/5 or 20%.

makes no sense, you have 53 cards and you have to turn 4 aces and then joker, in that order.
even if we assume only 5 cards 20% feels wrong because order exists.

Order exists, and in exactly 1/5 of all possible cases (taking order into account), the joker is the last card
To put it another way: If you arrange the aces into any order, and then put the joker into a random place in that order, there is 1/5 cases where the joker is the last card

yea, only 5 possibilities you are correct.
why didn't they say you put down 5 cards and what's probability of getting right order.
per usual in this game worst part is the question

The point of text puzzles is to make you feel like a genius once you navigate all the shit that doesn't matter. Otherwise it would just be a math test question

the whole point of the game is to try to confuse you

I don't want to be confused, I want to have a puzzle where I know exactly how to get to the end but I need to figure out everything in between, like a good puzzle game.

2 weeks ago

Anonymous

Throwing out useless information is part of "everything in between"

2 weeks ago

Anonymous

Yeah but then you end up with those logic puzzles with an easy and boring algorithm to solve them, like "A says B and C are lying" type puzzles
Anyway, what puzzle games do you like?

2 weeks ago

Anonymous

I like bunny game, forgor the name.
I like some dudes principle.
I like push the longs and get to other islands.
I like really any puzzle game that makes sense, I don't like puzzles that require me to do anything else other than puzzle. thats not fun

2 weeks ago

Anonymous

good puzzle have "noise" which is what you said

2 weeks ago

Anonymous

this puzzle doesn't have noise, it has steps that are redundant. it's irrelevant that deck has 52 and joker cards. it's mark of a shitty puzzle design where you are given useless information.

2 weeks ago

Anonymous

I still don't understand why we can disregard the other cards if they are also face down. Surely there is a chance of revealing the joker.

2 weeks ago

Anonymous

then we have to take them into account. all of the sudden possibility isn't 1/5 it's 1/1000 if not more.

2 weeks ago

Anonymous

>it's mark of a shitty puzzle design where you are given useless information.
lol brainlet. Part of the fun is seeing through the bullshit.
However, what Layton does is that it doesn't give your ENOUGH important information about the general framework and rules of the puzzle.
Sure, after a while you start to understand that you just have to do all kinds of bullshit and smugisms like the one in

Alright, here's a simpler one

, but that's just dumb because the puzzle doesn't play by its own rules.

2 weeks ago

Anonymous

You're just stupid, I understood the alien question immediately because I'm not stupid like you 🙂

2 weeks ago

Anonymous

from what I'm gathering you need to understand that Layton is game for kids and disregard fun math and do basic math.

2 weeks ago

Anonymous

I figured out the alien puzzle right away and I'm pretty dumb

Think of it this way.
All cards which are not an ace or joker are irrelevant to the equation. They are time wasters.

If we rethink the scenario to placing just the five cards down randomly and revealing them in order, there is only one situation in which the joker is the last card (likewise for it being the first, second, etc).

It's 1 in 5, or 20%. Aside from understanding fractions as percentages, no math is required to solve this puzzle.

It looks like Professor Layton and the Curious Village, and Layton's Mystery Journey: Katrielle and the Millionaires' Conspiracy have the worst puzzles, I don't remember puzzles like these in the other games, but it has been a while since I played the series. Professor Layton and the Last Specter was my favorite.

Let me guess, instead of adding everything together from the start, there's some bullshit in the wording that reduces or expands the sample size.

>How many aliens are there on this planet
How the fuck should we know if we don't know the size of the planet and the area surveyed

I went out to buy soda and counted 5 males and 2 females. How many people are there on Earth?

>it's mark of a shitty puzzle design where you are given useless information.
lol brainlet. Part of the fun is seeing through the bullshit.
However, what Layton does is that it doesn't give your ENOUGH important information about the general framework and rules of the puzzle.
Sure, after a while you start to understand that you just have to do all kinds of bullshit and smugisms like the one in [...], but that's just dumb because the puzzle doesn't play by its own rules.

im guessing
379+493-125=747

Christ, it's hard to appreciate threads about bullshit Layton puzzles when you retards show up and fumble the simplest Layton puzzle that I've ever seen. I used to think there were some valid criticisms but this puzzle has demonstrated that you people really are just idiots. The answer is one and if you can't figure out why (or if this took you longer than 10 seconds to realize) there is absolutely no hope and you should resign yourself to a warehouse job for the rest of your lives

Ganker is probably one of the most juvenile and brainlet boards, due to the nature of the subject matter (children's games)
No shit most posters are stupid

Even from their point of view we don't know how many aliens are there on the planet besides the explorer. Maybe females are aliens, maybe octopleans aren't native to that planet and are aliens from the point of view of the race that is native to that planet but not mentioned.

You don't need to do any calculations, it's 20%. You flip over all five cards, and there's an equal chance for any of them to be the last one. 1/5 = 20%

Are you meant to start this series with the 70s MSG? I watched maybe 10 or 20 episodes of that about a decade ago, made it to where there was a fight in the desert and one of the main characters died. Other than that all I know is the scene where the Zeon leader basically calls himself Hitler's disciple because everyone memes it.
I prefer 90s art styles generally. Which series has that villainess that goes blind after getting btfo? She was cute.

I know it's the wrong thread, but I'd watch the MSG movie trilogy, but watch the Zeta series.
MSG, imo, is a slog, and Zeta is a much more developed show

It literally completely changes the question, retard. To solve for a whole deck you’d have to simulate/estimate the first 3 moments of the tries-taken frequency distribution & find the probability with a Cumulative Distributive Function

Why is that assumption necessary?
You can turn over all 53 cards before the game ends (because by coincidence the last card is the joker) and the logic still holds

If you pull AAAA, then every other card, then Joker
it's the same as if you had pulled every other card, then AAAA, then Joker
The only probability that the question is asking about is whether the Joker appears after all 4 aces or not

So why does everything look French if it's meant to be set in England? Like if it was a French game where the translators had scribbled out "France" and written "England" it would make sense, but it's meant to be set in England in the original Japanese version as well.

50/50

this, you either do your don't

Can't we just ignore all the non-ace and joker cards? It's the same probability if we only had those 5 cards basically. In which case the probability of turning over all 4 non-jokers in a row would be (4/5)x(3/4)x(2/3)x(1/2) = 24/120 = 1/5.

That's correct but you're overcomplicating it. There's 5 cards and one of them has to be last. Odds of any individual card being last is 20%

Ever since I saw that "golf player just angles his shots lol" bullshit riddle, I stopped paying attention to Layton threads.

Fuck that shit.

lol can someone post it

Clearly it's the party

I haven't seen that one, but for me it was:

>wHiCh Of tHeSe DoLls Is Similar?!? :^)

>that one with the indiscrete building being the answer because lul

>the ones with intentionally misleading and confusing ways to ask the question

Not to mention the infamous chocolate bar one.

Of tHeSe DoLls Is Similar?!? :^)

That one was easy though.

Out of curiosity, could some of the jank involving the puzzles could be becouse its a translation from a japanese game? I know they really like stupid puns, maybe some things get lost in translation

pic unrelated

Some puzzles were changed, removed or added to overcome the language barrier. In OP's case it's just a brainlet filter. Look at the retards in this very thread who don't even understand why the non-ace or joker cards are irrelevant

TCRF has a page comparing puzzles which were changed for the western release.

https://tcrf.net/Professor_Layton_and_the_Curious_Village/Lost_in_Translation

100%, he is checking the card without placing it face up.

It would be one fifth, but I'm sure the answer is some stupid bullshit because most Layton puzzles are just stupid linguistic traps.

Where does it say you only draw 5

Why is that assumption necessary?

You can turn over all 53 cards before the game ends (because by coincidence the last card is the joker) and the logic still holds

based retard

>The other cards don't matter.

4/5 * 3/4 * 2/3 * 1/2 = 24/120 =1/5 = 20%

Assuming you can't cheat and say you check a card by lifting it up but not by fully turning it around :^) it's 20%

The other cards don't matter. There are five cards to draw. First card is 1/5, then 1/4, then 1/3, and if he still hasn't drawn the joker it's a 1/2 or 50% chance on the last draw.

there are 2 jokers in a 52 card deck

No there aren't, you're talking about a 54 card deck. A 52 card deck has zero jokers.

fucking lying google you're right it's 100%

What the hell is a 54 card deck?

A 52 card deck with two jokers added in.

One of them was busy shooting the bell tower with a silenced rifle.

the real answer is why the fuck would I waste my time answering this shit

why the fuck did school barrage be with this useless shit instead of teaching me how to do taxes or file a resume or talk to girls

I fucking hate school so much

99% of layton puzzles do not require any math whatsoever.

they usually hide the answer in how the puzzle is worded

maybe you should've paid attention in class

If you understand math you'll be able to handle taxes in 10 minutes with Google

One year I was extremely broke and one of my tax programs didn't give me a refund worth shit.

It took like an hour to teach myself to do my taxes with a calculator and find out the program was trying to israelite me.

The people that say shit like the quoted anon wouldn't have paid attention in school even if they taught taxes.

I was thinking of doing that myself one year. Did you get yourself back like a few hundred dollars you wouldn't have normally got? I figured the difference would be only like $20 or something which made me think its not worth my time.

I actually did and it made a hella difference.

Now I make sure I get 0 refund or owe a little because I will not be giving the government an interest free loan.

I want to make a game like this but with a bit different subject matter.

What should I do and not do when implementing riddles or puzzles?

make the most infuriatingly bullshit wordplay puzzles so people post them years later on laotian basket weaving forums

Make them a test of logic and reductional reasoning instead of asking confusing questions and making it clear what the answers are. The Impossible Quiz makes more sense than some Layton puzzles do.

Include moral dilemmas for teh lulz

only the joker is face down

its 100%

How can you not know where "which card is where" if all are face up save a single joker card?

See, when it comes to a Layton puzzle the answer could easily be 'he had his eyes closed when he put the cards on the table but then opened them to turn the cards over'. Logic isn't at home here.

1/3118752%

(1/52)(1/51)(1/50)(1/49)(1/48)100

Same odds for any unique 5 card hand

yes, the answer to a handheld console logic game is clearly 1/3118752%

peak midwit

I think those are the odds of your first 5 cards being 4 Aces and a Joker

52 deck has no jokers, so 100%

It says 52 cards and one joker, so 53 in total.

I assumed you could only flip 5 cards so its wrong anyway

20%. There are only 5 cards that actually matter, and the question is essentially one of which of those 5 cards will be the last one to be turned over. They all have an equal chance of being the last one, and there are 5, so 1/5 or 20%.

It's just skill issue on your part, my dude.

idgi

No, actually, this one turns out to just be a normal probability question. It really is just 1/5.

makes no sense, you have 53 cards and you have to turn 4 aces and then joker, in that order.

even if we assume only 5 cards 20% feels wrong because order exists.

Order exists, and in exactly 1/5 of all possible cases (taking order into account), the joker is the last card

To put it another way: If you arrange the aces into any order, and then put the joker into a random place in that order, there is 1/5 cases where the joker is the last card

yea, only 5 possibilities you are correct.

why didn't they say you put down 5 cards and what's probability of getting right order.

per usual in this game worst part is the question

The point of text puzzles is to make you feel like a genius once you navigate all the shit that doesn't matter. Otherwise it would just be a math test question

I don't want to be confused, I want to have a puzzle where I know exactly how to get to the end but I need to figure out everything in between, like a good puzzle game.

Throwing out useless information is part of "everything in between"

Yeah but then you end up with those logic puzzles with an easy and boring algorithm to solve them, like "A says B and C are lying" type puzzles

Anyway, what puzzle games do you like?

I like bunny game, forgor the name.

I like some dudes principle.

I like push the longs and get to other islands.

I like really any puzzle game that makes sense, I don't like puzzles that require me to do anything else other than puzzle. thats not fun

good puzzle have "noise" which is what you said

this puzzle doesn't have noise, it has steps that are redundant. it's irrelevant that deck has 52 and joker cards. it's mark of a shitty puzzle design where you are given useless information.

I still don't understand why we can disregard the other cards if they are also face down. Surely there is a chance of revealing the joker.

then we have to take them into account. all of the sudden possibility isn't 1/5 it's 1/1000 if not more.

>it's mark of a shitty puzzle design where you are given useless information.

lol brainlet. Part of the fun is seeing through the bullshit.

However, what Layton does is that it doesn't give your ENOUGH important information about the general framework and rules of the puzzle.

Sure, after a while you start to understand that you just have to do all kinds of bullshit and smugisms like the one in

, but that's just dumb because the puzzle doesn't play by its own rules.

You're just stupid, I understood the alien question immediately because I'm not stupid like you 🙂

from what I'm gathering you need to understand that Layton is game for kids and disregard fun math and do basic math.

I figured out the alien puzzle right away and I'm pretty dumb

the whole point of the game is to try to confuse you

I've got similar "confusing" questions on interview two weeks ago.

Think of it this way.

All cards which are not an ace or joker are irrelevant to the equation. They are time wasters.

If we rethink the scenario to placing just the five cards down randomly and revealing them in order, there is only one situation in which the joker is the last card (likewise for it being the first, second, etc).

It's 1 in 5, or 20%. Aside from understanding fractions as percentages, no math is required to solve this puzzle.

no they aren't.

you get and Ace, you flip s card, not an ace or joker.

it is very relevant.

t.

It's Layton so it's a trick Quuestion. It's a deck of nothing BUT joker cards.

100%.

A 52 card wouldn't have jokers.

Read it again.

No

0%

Joker is chaotic evil

You can't turn him over

I looked at the solution and now I feel retarded

The true Prof Layton experience

I draw pot of greed

It allows me to draw 2 cards from my deck

heh

1/53 x 1/52 x 1/51 x 1/50

That's the percentage, next question.

you need to multiply that by a 100 if you want it in %

This thread would make magic and yugioh players seeth

It either happens or it doesn't.

So 50/50.

what are the odds that you find a wife that doesnt divorce you or cheat on you?

Alright, here's a simpler one

I wanna fuck that female ocoplean

Let me guess, instead of adding everything together from the start, there's some bullshit in the wording that reduces or expands the sample size.

622?

Oh, wait. Nevermind. I get it. That's fucking stupid.

It looks like Professor Layton and the Curious Village, and Layton's Mystery Journey: Katrielle and the Millionaires' Conspiracy have the worst puzzles, I don't remember puzzles like these in the other games, but it has been a while since I played the series. Professor Layton and the Last Specter was my favorite.

Christ, it's hard to appreciate threads about bullshit Layton puzzles when you retards show up and fumble the simplest Layton puzzle that I've ever seen. I used to think there were some valid criticisms but this puzzle has demonstrated that you people really are just idiots. The answer is one and if you can't figure out why (or if this took you longer than 10 seconds to realize) there is absolutely no hope and you should resign yourself to a warehouse job for the rest of your lives

Ganker is probably one of the most juvenile and brainlet boards, due to the nature of the subject matter (children's games)

No shit most posters are stupid

>How many aliens are there on this planet

How the fuck should we know if we don't know the size of the planet and the area surveyed

1 - him

CORRECT

I remember playing this puzzle as a kid and feeling smug when I got that answer

God this is stupid.

Are all of these trick questions?

No, but all of the ones posted on Ganker are because people get mad about them

I went out to buy soda and counted 5 males and 2 females. How many people are there on Earth?

It's this

The puzzle is smart ass bullshit

Even from their point of view we don't know how many aliens are there on the planet besides the explorer. Maybe females are aliens, maybe octopleans aren't native to that planet and are aliens from the point of view of the race that is native to that planet but not mentioned.

is this supposed to be a joke

yes

i want to fuck that autistic girl

This makes me think that Professor Layton is just the Japanese equivalent of Rick and Morty.

>incredibly convoluted plan

>literally just to open a door

>lgbt woke shit

wtf I hate Layton now

2% of fish species were invented by the woke mob to spread trannyganda

1.

>land on planet

>gather living being in a line

>start looking at their genetelia

>do no elaborate

>leave

what a chad

You can do that in Starfield

im guessing

379+493-125=747

>YOU are the alien

Brao layton, fucking bravo

>tranny shit

hermaphrodites are not trannies

1

How the fuck does the space explorer know there aren't any other space explorers from other alien species already on the planet?

>20% odds of success

>impossible to beat

lel

A man has 3 brothers, and they are disgusting coomers. If the time is 6pm on a tuesday, how much time does it take to bake the pie?

Answer: slice the cake in half horizontally instead of vertically :^)

Thanks for the insight what Layton puzzles look like to brainlets

>brainlets

What fucking puzzle? Being a pedantic shitposter with words does not make an actual logical puzzle to solve, it's all gotcha bullshit.

Either 100% because ONLY the Joker is face down, so you know what every card is.

Otherwise 4/53 * 3/52 * 2/51 * 1/50 * 1/49

how do you even make a franchise out of math problems

I miss when PA was good

same way you make a franchise out of other puzzles

On the first pic dude literally is taken from Oglaff comic. I was expecting some twist at the end... sad.

I heff twelve metchsteeks

Fuck you!

>the virgin card flipper

You guys have been posting some tame as fuck puzzles to bitch about when there are some truly god awful puzzles to be raging about.

You don't need to do any calculations, it's 20%. You flip over all five cards, and there's an equal chance for any of them to be the last one. 1/5 = 20%

Why are Layton puzzle solutions so often comedy gold?

Isn't it 20%?

Are you meant to start this series with the 70s MSG? I watched maybe 10 or 20 episodes of that about a decade ago, made it to where there was a fight in the desert and one of the main characters died. Other than that all I know is the scene where the Zeon leader basically calls himself Hitler's disciple because everyone memes it.

I prefer 90s art styles generally. Which series has that villainess that goes blind after getting btfo? She was cute.

Oh, wrong thread. Whoops.

I know it's the wrong thread, but I'd watch the MSG movie trilogy, but watch the Zeta series.

MSG, imo, is a slog, and Zeta is a much more developed show

Yeah, there's a reason I didn't finish the series back in the day. Movies seems like the way to go.

no, the ENTIRE deck at once

it literally doesn't matter

It literally completely changes the question, retard. To solve for a whole deck you’d have to simulate/estimate the first 3 moments of the tries-taken frequency distribution & find the probability with a Cumulative Distributive Function

If you pull AAAA, then every other card, then Joker

it's the same as if you had pulled every other card, then AAAA, then Joker

The only probability that the question is asking about is whether the Joker appears after all 4 aces or not

just look it up on the wiki or something moron

Just run through all the possibilities with the 4 aces, 1 joker, and 1 other card, and you’ll see why the number of other cards doesn’t matter.

dumbass

I HEFF TVELVE MATCHSTEEKS

100% because a deck of 52 cards doesn't have a fucking joker.

retard

This is how the retards who say "Layton puzzles are bullshit that tries to trick you" actually think

>You've scattered a deck of 52 cards AND ONE JOKER

So why does everything look French if it's meant to be set in England? Like if it was a French game where the translators had scribbled out "France" and written "England" it would make sense, but it's meant to be set in England in the original Japanese version as well.

England has historically been France's bitch

France has historically been England's bitch