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>game punishes your success
Games should punish you for taking a photo of your screen you brain damaged phone posting moron gays.
Some people are just unreasonable and there's no pressing a button and winning, anon.
>Nooooo you don't get it, we need a hyper-accurate relationship dynamic that completely fucks you over
>Who cares if nothing else in the game acts like this and catches you off guard because it's the one time they bothered?
>It's GOOD writing, chud. You Have To Let It Go™
Hi, Todd. Still seething aabout the fact your last "good" game was Daggerfall?
>Completely fucks you over
>You are mildly inconvenienced one time and you get slightly less help in the final fight
I'll cede that it's not unreasonable to assume a stat check is always a good thing because it is, but I also think you're being a little dramatic.
yeah it's just more of a neato little thing
and dean is a fucking psycho anyway, he deserves to get killed by the Courier
nice screenshot, fag
I never put points into barter, does it skip the entire DLC if you select the first option?
he pulls out 36 gold bars out of his mostly intact ass and gives them to you
how is that bad
I think that Anon was lying to me, bro.
I'll have to replay New Vegas for the 12th time to make sure though.
Not my fault Dean has a fragile ego
More games need negative outcomes for positive speech checks, force the player to actually consider their dialogue choices and understanding of the characters instead of going for every speech check to win
including new vegas.
this was just out of the blue and punished you for recognising established game mechanics.
>force the player to actually consider their dialogue choices and understanding of the characters
that's great and all but the pic in OP is literally your first interaction with the character lmao. you literally can't have an understanding of his character prior to that dialogue choice
I'm talking in generalities here. NV fucked it up since this is the only one of it's kind and it happens too early to get a feel for Dean but any game in which Speech is a viable option needs it so we avoid things like pic related being memed for eternity
I forget, can you determine that Dean threw Christine into the blender early or is that later?
i think its after you enter the Sierra Madre, either that or a skill dialog with Christine, not sure
>I'm talking in generalities here
In that, I agree yeah. It's funny how the one exception in NV is executed so poorly.
I remember there being a trap Seduce option in VTMB if you talk to this character as a female, they react negatively to being hit on by a woman and you have to pass a speech check to calm them down. That sort of thing might be the good basis for speech checks; you CAN hit on a character, or bribe them, or try to reason with them, but you should probably figure out if that's a good idea first. A principled character would never take a bribe, a beefhead might not listen to reason, so on.
Throw in things like
>Lies will be remembered if found out
>Friends and allies talk to each other so you have to be careful with what you say about characters to others
>Confidence might lead to LESS support
>Successful checks might bite you in the ass way later
If it's a bad idea for a Combat build to just unga his way through a disadvantageous fight then the same thing should hold true for a Speech build
To be honest against the Legate even after you pass the speech checks and he says you're right, you still have to avoid using certain lines in the following conversation such as "so you'll retreat?" or he attacks. I don't see people mentioning it often but I think it's a nice touch and it could have been used more. Half having the skills, half continuing the conversation the right way.
>negative outcomes for positive speech checks
it's not even a negative, it's more of a short term vs long term consequences
>Dean's entire motivation to fucking over Sinclair was because he didn't like how Sinclair was a overall happy dude even when shit turned out bad for him and wanted to fuck him over just for that
what the fuck Dean he's just a dude
>Dean tried to fuck over Sinclair for such an incredibly petty reason that Sinclair didn't even understand why
>surprised when you show a bit of competency and show him up, he seethes super fucking hard on the inside and pretends to be your "ally"
>Game punishes blind skillcheck clicking
I wish this was much more common
Dean deserves to die
yes get filtered dork
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