Gamefreak has literally no more excuses when fricking Zelda has reached its sales

Gamefreak has literally no more excuses when fricking Zelda has reached it’s sales

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    ToTK took 6 years and hundreds of million dollars to develop. Pokemon shits out three cheaply made games per year

    Quality doesn't mean shit, it's all about total sales

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >hundreds of million dollars to develop
      source: my ass

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        botw cost 200 million dude

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      And all that money was wasted on a nuts n bolts ripoff

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >hundreds of million dollars to develop.
      BotW needed to sell just TWO MILLION COPIES to break even. It was the most expensive game Nintendo had ever made. Imagine. Fricking imagine the profit margins these cheapskates are getting on their other games.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      No it didn't

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's interesting how Zelda and pokemon both started as simple 8bit games but Zelda evolved over the years while pokemon just improved graphics.
      And now they're both top sellers despite one evolving more than the other.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >pokemon just improved graphics.
        >"improved"
        The fact the game's aesthetic peaked back in the DS era is sad to think about tbh

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Pokemon did improve on graphic qualities, but that's more on the console changes than actual model designs.

          One is more famous for it's pedigree, while the other is more famous because of Mascot syndrome

          That too. I'm fact, does Zelda even have a mascot? Navi?
          The only thing they have in common is that they're popular with porn artists. There's as much pokefricking art as there is of Zelda' s fat ass.

          Pokémon actively regressed in a number of ways, I would have been fine if it had "never evolved". To say that Pokémon in recent years is the same as Pokémon years ago is completely disingenuous, especially when people shit on modern Pokémon so hard for all the things it does worse.

          Pokemon can't really evolve seeing as the game's code has always been "move, interact, and catch." and it always relies on it. For Zelda, a lot more can be done since it's an adventure game.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Pokemon did improve on graphic qualities, but that's more on the console changes than actual model designs.
            It improved on graphical technical terms, but not on aesthetics.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Their models have always been basic and simple to make. The stigma of being a children's game means they can't make anything too detailed or intricate unlike in Zelda botw.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                nta but youre missing his point, something can be graphically simple and still have an aesthetic or 'vibe' to it, the example is something like windwaker. Pokemon's graphics are technically better than they were on say, the 3DS, but the aesthetic is all over the place because they're trying to go for semi-realistic environments but lack either the artistic ability or technical know-how to make that kind of graphical approach actually look good. They also completely skipped actually designing their world and SV is utterly barren and it's towns are lifeless.
                This is in stark contrast to BOTW/TOTK, which is extremely stylized on top of having a very clear visual theme to every inch of the world, this leads to it FEELING more detailed and intricate despite leaning heavily on cel shading.
                Zelda also takes the time to make parts of the world look and feel full, again unlike Pokemon which can't even do interiors.

                It's so frustrating to see people say that because Pokemon is a kid's game, it's graphics don't matter. Zelda, Mario, Splatoon and Smash all have about the exact same age rating, but only Pokemon has people pulling the kid card and excusing it looking horrendous. If TOTK was even remotely as empty or as buggy or as lacking in content as SV Nintendo would be rightfully getting thrashed, meanwhile SV is breaking records while being a joke in every aspect, its infuriating.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >if a game go for an a semi realistic artstyle then it all over the place
                >if a game uses cell shading then it has FEELING
                >if Pokemon has mons all over the world it’s barren and lifeless
                >if Zelda has an empty overwold with a baby tier puzzle shrines all over the place then it feels full

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >if a game go for an a semi realistic artstyle then it all over the place
                Yes, because it's got realistic environments with silly cartoon animals. It doesn't even attempt to try to find a middle ground that doesn't make the Pokemon feel out of place, instead it skips the legwork of coming up with a proper visual theme for the world the Pokemon inhabit and instead just copy pastes ugly realistic textures on everything.
                >>if a game uses cell shading then it has FEELING
                Disingenuous.
                >if Pokemon has mons all over the world it’s barren and lifeless
                Yes, because the game is basically the Safari Zone but all the time, the towns have absolutely nothing going on, there are no sidequests, no story outside the main plot, no kinds of overworld events, towns are utterly empty, the closest thing to boss characters you can find out of raids are the Tera Pokemon that are set spawns, etc. You have no incentive to actually do any exploring, Pokemon are literally everywhere and anything you can't find can be forced to spawn with sandwiches. There are large bunches of land in SV a player is never ever going to see because there's literally nothing there.
                "Exploring" in SV is going from checkpoint A to checkpoint B, meanwhile exploring in Zelda is going from checkpoint A to finding a cave to finding an npc who gives you a quest to go to point C but on the way you find a cherry blossom tree and putting the apples in gets the weird deer dude to light up all the nearby caves for you and oh shit the beacon is that way, and then maybe after 3 hours of this you remember to go to point B.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                > Yes, because it's got realistic environments with silly cartoon animals.
                Yeah stopped reading there. New Pokémon snap did the same and it looks nice. Just say you don’t like it
                > Disingenuous
                You are being disingenuous
                > the game is basically the Safari Zone
                And that’s good?
                > the towns have absolutely nothing going on, there are no sidequests, no story outside the main plot
                Oh you are a side questgay. Instead of following the main, more polished story, you like doing pointless generic chores all over the overwold. Pokémon have 3 rites and it’s still not enough for you, how awful
                > the closest thing to boss characters you can find out of raids are the Tera Pokemon that are set spawns
                Gym leaders? Gigant mons? Team star?
                > You have no incentive to actually do any exploring,
                You explore to find new mons, that’s the point. Meanwhile in Zelda you explore, do a shitty side quest, and get…an opal?
                Zeldagays have 0 self critique and self awareness Jesus.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah stopped reading there.
                >actually kept reading

                Dumb frogposter, I'm not debating with a shill.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >doesn’t know what “stopped reading there” means
                My man, reading everything literally may be a sing of autism, be careful

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                In BOTW, if you explore you get a cool sword. That turns into dust if you try to use it.
                Imagine if that happened in Pokémon?
                I guess that's technically what a Nuzlocke is. It's just shitty that its enforced on every player.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                That anon here. Yeah, I see what you're getting at.
                Pokemon seems like baby's first game in both the design and Programming. The simplistic style may have worked way back when consoles had limited systems and seemed impressive at the time, but now it seems lazy.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, you are not me. What the frick is wrong with you people?
                The old game's aesthetics are better than what we have today. Gen 2 and gen 5 aesthetics are the best the franchise has seen, and they still are better looking games today than SV. Same way games like Minish Cap or Wind Waker are superior to a ton of games that came after them simply due to the ageless aesthetic choices.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                SV mashes together semi-realism, painterly textures, flat shaded textures, and anime aesthetics together in a way that is an utter mess a lot of the time.
                It really is an issue.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Watch any 3d film

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I recently watched 2001 Nights, and it didn't have that issue at all.
                Have you watched any 3-D animation recently that isn't "The Good Dinosaur"?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm fact, does Zelda even have a mascot?
            Link. Even if a normie calls him Zelda they still recognize where the character is from.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >spritegay
          Oof!

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        One is more famous for it's pedigree, while the other is more famous because of Mascot syndrome

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Pokémon actively regressed in a number of ways, I would have been fine if it had "never evolved". To say that Pokémon in recent years is the same as Pokémon years ago is completely disingenuous, especially when people shit on modern Pokémon so hard for all the things it does worse.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          The thing with pokemon, is that alot of people would consider what is has gone through graphical evolution, and maybe thats true, but it has been less and less impressive as time as gone on. When it came out, it didn't look that much worse than the home consoles at the time and perfectly acceptable for a handheld one, but that divide has continued to grow to the point where, now it not only looks much worse than the vast majority of console games out now, it also looks worse than handheld games coming out 10 years ago

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Impressive what a company can do when they spend more than a year cranking out a game

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bizarre take that literally ignores the real world. Game Freak literally has the excuse of having to shit out a game so quickly that they even dropped 2 in the same year, which you can LITERALLY contrast to Zelda that LITERALLY got itself a delay. It's like come on, you want to shit on the process, fine, but you're just stringing together words that make no sense and contradict reality at this point. I don't like the fast turnaround time in Pokemon either, but let's not act like Zelda didn't get all the time in the world. And even with this delayed release, you've still got people finding problems with it like the way the water looks that was posted about the other day.

      You can argue that this is evidence that GF should not rush games to come out yearly and allow for longer dev cycles but to say that TOTK is a 1 to 1 comparison to Pokémon is facetious.

      Laugh at these subhuman freaks that think GF could make a passable game with more dev time. GF could take a decade and they'd still produce trash.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        this
        the reason why pokemon games are shit is because they insist on making proprietary engines when most of their senior developers could barely finish a game boy color game without help
        when you have incompetent seniors, what do you expect the juniors and outsourced consultants to do about it?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        A decade ago was XY. If you can't see the drastic difference between XY and SV then you might be off your meds again.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          SV only had 4 year development at best.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            He was insisting if they had a decade it still wouldn't be enough, even though there is clear progression between their debut gen games over the years.

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The only reason I bought my own copy when my brother also bought one and I could simply use his, is that I don't want spoilers.

    There is nothing to spoil in pokemon games.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      why not just buy digital so yall only need one copy?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        2 Switches.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          you can sign in to each other's switch and download the games you buy for each other. I know most tendies are moronic but cmon man I really hope yall aren't double dipping on games like that too often, that's such a waste of money imo

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            this. It's pretty simple

            >Buy game on profile 1
            >move profile 1 to Switch 2
            >download game on switch 2 with profile 1
            >game is now playable on both switches, granted only on that profile

            Only downside is that it will kick Switch 2 off the game if Switch 1 boots up any game but you can get around that by putting switch 1 in airplane mode

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              You can play the game at the same time on different accounts

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bizarre take that literally ignores the real world. Game Freak literally has the excuse of having to shit out a game so quickly that they even dropped 2 in the same year, which you can LITERALLY contrast to Zelda that LITERALLY got itself a delay. It's like come on, you want to shit on the process, fine, but you're just stringing together words that make no sense and contradict reality at this point. I don't like the fast turnaround time in Pokemon either, but let's not act like Zelda didn't get all the time in the world. And even with this delayed release, you've still got people finding problems with it like the way the water looks that was posted about the other day.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >like the way the water looks
      It's a real problem that's probably the result of having 3 open worlds.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Game Freak literally has the excuse of having to shit out a game so quickly

      We already know TPC wants a new mainline game every 3 years, but they don't care which company makes it.

      Game Freak decides to develop all the main games because they don't want to give up that money.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        TPC don't give a frick when games release, except to know when to have merch ready. They don't see a penny of any new Game Freak game's profits, because they weren't a thing when Pokémon started and since they don't have a credit like Nintendo and Creatures do and did before the game start screen, they're not eligible for a cent of profits, they had no investment into the project to garner such a return (that's why they shit out endless amounts of plastic crap in a Gen. Have to get their profits somehow).
        Nintendo, the company that actually fronts the money for the games and officially orders them off Game Freak for their console systems are the ones invested in yearly releases and three year resets, because a new Pokémon game does something NONE of their IP's does with such surgical precision and that's double console sales in the week of a game launch, BotW was the killer app, but Pokémon constantly being aimed at kids ensures there's always going to be console sales at launch (Nintendo got THREE console bumps between BDSP and SV and the only company to see any those console sale profits are Nintendo. Some day you'll realise TPC's job it so shill everything that isn't the core games at the world. But that doesn't look likely until you grow to adulthood and actually become aware fully of the world around you).

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          TPC is responsible for the marketing and licensing for the franchise. They don't force anything, but serve as the primary form of communication between all the projects, (Games, TCG, anime etc.)

          When I say TPC wants a mainline game every 3 years, I'm implying everyone involved in Pokemon. The anime needs new content, the TGC needs new cards, and Nintendo needs new games to sell systems.

          I'm telling you Game Freak has a say in who makes mainline games, and is choosing to make them all even if it ends up a rushed mess. If Nintendo could decide who develops Pokemon games, they would've adopted the COD model a long time ago, and had multiple studios working on mainline games so they'd have enough time to release a decent project.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well duh. Ever thing Game Freak ALSO want to make new games? Because I know Tajiri was fricking ecstatic when Red/Green took off in Japan and Nintendo turned to im and said "Hey, can you make Pokémon 2 for next year pls?". I also know Masuda's gone on record to state he enjoys offering new players remakes just as much as new game experiences and he always gushed about how he enjoyed bringing a new game to children.
            Sounds like you're the problem here, Can't accept it's always been a yearly kiddyshit franchise, too stupid to see they don't need to bother with people like you to continue to sell their shit.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              So its okay to take advantage of children for money?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                As long as you realise you not only endorsed it, you propagated that viewpoint.
                Regardless what lies you want to tell yourself, the pokémon game released when you were a child was "Babby's first Jay Arr Pee Gee", just as they are today. So tell me, did YOU feel ripped off when they gave you a game that lagged behind its peers graphically or did you disregard looks and get invested in the cutesy cartoony monsters? I think the fact you're here b***hing about the kiddy series anwsers my question somehow.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lol BOTW already did it and nothing happened you got shitty dp remakes swsh, pla, and s/v you are delusional if you think gf is giving a shit
    Pokemon is not zelda, gamefreak is not nintendo

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >sales
    Why this moronic fanbase care about sales bad good sales is not fixing your franchise lol

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can argue that this is evidence that GF should not rush games to come out yearly and allow for longer dev cycles but to say that TOTK is a 1 to 1 comparison to Pokémon is facetious.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thank you, no one points this point here and it really speaks to the hypocrisy of some eternally buttmad morons on this board.

      Also, inb4
      >B-but muh (second) biggest franchise
      Lol, just lol. Most of Pokemon's revenue comes from merch, so where do you think the money goes, to the main series' budget? No, biggest money maker gets the biggest budget.

      TotK was given way more time and had more dev resource pumped into it, two things that besides dev skill, is what can make or break a game. That's not even a guess, either, the last 3 remakes were outsourced, 2 to tantalus and 1 to grezzo, so the actual devs were focusing on this one project since they knew they were making it, which was as soon as mid 2017, as late as mid 2018, full force. Not only that, they seem to have blown so much money on it that they felt the need to raise the price by 17%, and that's with expecting huge sales.

      GF, on the other hand, has less staff and only resourced 1 release across the entire main series. Even then, they sent one of the longest serving game directors/producers to oversee it. This person also happened to be the main composer for damn near all the games, and would have been actively working on at least 2 other titles during that time. These games continue to sell well, so it isn't going to change.

      Game Freak's "excuse" is that they don't get the time, the money, or the people to churn out a perfect game every year and they're never going to get it. You can sit there seething at their perceived laziness all you want, but they don't get a fricking break. They put out functioning games (barely, but still) every year, formerly every 2 years.

      Are they the best games ever? No. Are they mediocre? Absolutely. Could any of these other Ninty teams pull this shit with all of GF's limitations? No fricking way. GF works hard, gets shat on constantly, then continues working hard.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thank you, no one points this point here and it really speaks to the hypocrisy of some eternally buttmad morons on this board.

      Also, inb4
      >B-but muh (second) biggest franchise
      Lol, just lol. Most of Pokemon's revenue comes from merch, so where do you think the money goes, to the main series' budget? No, biggest money maker gets the biggest budget.

      TotK was given way more time and had more dev resource pumped into it, two things that besides dev skill, is what can make or break a game. That's not even a guess, either, the last 3 remakes were outsourced, 2 to tantalus and 1 to grezzo, so the actual devs were focusing on this one project since they knew they were making it, which was as soon as mid 2017, as late as mid 2018, full force. Not only that, they seem to have blown so much money on it that they felt the need to raise the price by 17%, and that's with expecting huge sales.

      GF, on the other hand, has less staff and only resourced 1 release across the entire main series. Even then, they sent one of the longest serving game directors/producers to oversee it. This person also happened to be the main composer for damn near all the games, and would have been actively working on at least 2 other titles during that time. These games continue to sell well, so it isn't going to change.

      Game Freak's "excuse" is that they don't get the time, the money, or the people to churn out a perfect game every year and they're never going to get it. You can sit there seething at their perceived laziness all you want, but they don't get a fricking break. They put out functioning games (barely, but still) every year, formerly every 2 years.

      Are they the best games ever? No. Are they mediocre? Absolutely. Could any of these other Ninty teams pull this shit with all of GF's limitations? No fricking way. GF works hard, gets shat on constantly, then continues working hard.

      You fricking idiots. The problem IS the 3 year dev cycle. We can, and absolutely should, compare games like TotK to SV because it highlights the exact issues with this franchise. Frick off. I'm sick of you fricking morons repeating the same shit every time.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Are you moronic, I fricking compared them myself. I outlined the key differences in the teams who make them, you're just mad because I'm giving GF a bit of credit. Learn some reading comprehension, you absolute frickwit.

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >it's another zelda cope thread

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Zelda cope
      The amount of Ganker gays who are in this board and still use "Nintendo" when referring to Gamefreak just shows that they are the ones coping with Zelda's success

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    GF reached equivalent sales with 1/10 of the effort and time.
    What excuses? Zeldacucks are the ones who should be on suicidewatch to need 6 years of constant delays please understand when Pokemon does just as well while completely half-assing it.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I am sure zelda fans are terribly concerned by the fact they had to buy only one complete game instead of buying 4 unfinished ones.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    honestly the world/environments in zelda are a lot closer to what I'd expect the pokemon world to look like. All these cool elemental creatures running around and their world is a 1:1 carbon copy of ours for some reason

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The world just feels more lively. GF tried to make Paldea more lively by having Pokemon be in families and have some specific mons hand in trees or rocks, but when the overworld looks like shit it doesn't feed the imagination.

      I forgot where I heard this but the reason why no one complained about the graphics of Pokemon up until recently was because the games were always abstract. The player was supposed to build the concept of the world, battles, and wild Pokemon in their heads. The pre switch era games gave the player some illustrations but the rest was to your imagination.

      As the games became larger in scale, it no longer is good enough to just have abstract animations and shitty textures. Zelda obviously isn't like RDR2 (nor is anyone asking for Pokemon to have that sort of realism) but the world looks believable for what the game is trying to convey, a cartoonish fantasy adventure.
      On the other hand, Paldea just looks like a mess where cities are placed in random locations on the map, Pokemon still have no purpose in the overworld, and the nature doesn't seem to blend in with the Pokemon either.

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    it's the same game
    Just like pokemon

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      just like almost every new game in a game series

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pokémon makes more money with less effort. GF probably is trying to see how little effort they need to do in order to make money at this point. It's a competition with them.

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Other way around.
    Nintendo now has no reason to put effort in their games because their goyslop will sell anyways.

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >BotW
    >Released March 2017
    Pokemon since then has released
    >Ultra SM
    >LGPE
    >SWSH
    >BDSP
    >Arceus
    >SV
    GF unironically worked harder than Zelda devs.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      imagine what they could have made if they spent 6 years making 1 game

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      all of these are asset flips with copypasted engines. even arceus has so much copypaste that like 20% of the game's backend isn't even used

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Zeldabros? W-w-what’s this? How do we reply? Our come back?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >1 good game
        Vs
        >6 rushed and shitty games
        Yeah it's not really any contest

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >>1 good game
          LOL.

          "I'm not buying that shit again," he said on the Pokemon board

          Even the bad Pokémon games are better than BOTW and its sequel.
          Except for L:A (which tried to copy it) and LGPE (which is just Kanto again, but somehow even worse).

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            t. someone whose only played Pokemon

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              I've played way more than just Pokémon.
              Including every mainline Zelda barring TOTK.
              I tried to enjoy BOTW, but it just felt like a shell of itself.
              So unless I can find someone or something to convince me otherwise, I'm avoiding TOTK like the plague.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Funny, my first Zelda was Link's Adventure and BotW felt more like that and generated the same feeling of wonder traversing the world map as back when I was a little bugger.
                Any child claiming BotW is a "shell of its former self" only started playing post OoT launch.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Post-OOT launch baby here, don't lump us in with the anti BotW gays. BotW for me felt like the perfect evolution of Zelda conceptually.
                Not surprising that the anti-BotW homosexuals are Snoys but also Poketards, two of the biggest groups of homosexuals with zero taste.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's a structureless mess that midwits treat as the Second Coming of Jesus just because it was the only half-decent Switch game at launch.
                It has none of the fun of a traditional Zelda dungeon crawling experience.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                traditional Zelda sucks ass, it peaked in ALttP and OoT and they spent the next 20-30 years rehashing those same 2 games, it literally suffered from the same exact problem as pokemon

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >it literally suffered from the same exact problem as pokemon
                gays who don't understand how sequels work and are too moronic to play something else?
                Of course a sequel is going to play similar to its predecessors.
                That's the point. To give people more of what they like.

                I mean perversely, this game is proof of that.
                People apparently liked BOTW, so Nintendo made another one.
                I just wish it wasn't the death knell of the kind of Zelda game that I like.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                the "kind of zelda game that you like" is literally the same repetitive, uncreative rehashed slop that people criticize pokemon for.
                Heck, the zelda franchise is so uncreative that even Ocarina is just a 3D rehash of ALttP:
                >you start in the Hyrule you know and love tasked with collecting 3 mcguffins
                >something happens to Zelda and Link gains the ability to travel to a similar, but different world from the Hyrule that's familiar to the player until then
                >you have to visit 7 dungeons related to each of the seven sages to defeat the main guy who resides in the parallel equivalent to Hyrule Castle's location
                the only mainline Zelda game that dared to do something truly different is Zelda 2, since even BoTW is technically just a 3D rehash of Zelda 1

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                And why is that a bad thing?
                Sure, if you break it down to its core elements, it sounds bad.
                But the games feel different enough in other areas to justify the similarities.

                And it's not like Zelda and Pokémon are the only game franchises to ever exist.
                You have to accept that those kind of games just aren't for you anymore instead of forcing it to be something completely different.

                And that's my issue.
                From your POV, BOTW and TOTK feels fresh and exciting.
                Whereas to me, they just feel like another open-world game in an era where nearly everything is an open-world game.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >And why is that a bad thing?
                because repetition isn't fun unless you're OCD or autistic
                > Whereas to me, they just feel like another open-world game in an era where nearly everything is an open-world game.
                Twilight Princess, Wind Waker and Ocarina of Time are more similar to each other than BoTW is to ToTK
                and BoTW/ToTK are more distinct from other open world games than the TP/WW/OoT trinity are to each other. Whoever unironically says every open world game is the same has only played Ubisoft open world games or none at all.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >because repetition isn't fun unless you're OCD or autistic
                It's only repetitive if you literally play nothing else.
                Again, a good sequel is supposed to feel similar. Or else what's the fricking point?
                At that point you may as well call it a different franchise.
                >Twilight Princess, Wind Waker and Ocarina of Time are more similar to each other than BoTW is to ToTK
                >and BoTW/ToTK are more distinct from other open world games than the TP/WW/OoT trinity are to each other. Whoever unironically says every open world game is the same has only played Ubisoft open world games or none at all.
                Have you even played Wind Waker?
                Because outside of the core elements that make it a Zelda game, it's completely different experience.
                I'll give you Twilight Princess. But I'm still not seeing how that's a bad thing, outside of you hating traditional Zelda games.

                Also, given how much you seem to think open-world games are the bestest thing ever, can you recommend some good ones to me. Seriously.
                Because BOTW definitely isn't one.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Have you even played Wind Waker?
                yes, it's a game that could have been amazing if not for the fact that instead of it taking 5-10 minutes to get from point A to point B crossing Hyrule Field on Epona's back, it takes three times as long to cross an empty, featureless ocean with nothing to do except the occasional enemy. Ironically Wind Waker suffers way more from the common criticisms levied against open world games than the actual open world games themselves do.
                > Also, given how much you seem to think open-world games are the bestest thing ever,
                I don't, but they get a bad rap from contrarians
                >can you recommend some good ones to me.
                I can try, but you'll probably just dismiss them as all shit to prove a point because that's what /vp/ does
                >Fallout Series
                >Borderlands Series
                >Elden Ring
                >No Man's Sky (it's actually quite good now since it's been basically re-made)
                >some Far Cry games, not all of them since they've been rehashing the same "latin-american cartel island" shtick since 3. 2 and 3 are my favorites.
                >Spider-Man (suffers a bit from Ubisoft syndrome but the map is anything but empty)
                >Skyrim I find to be boring as shit but everyone likes it so it might just be me
                >not personally a fan of GTA because I find that it gets old quick, but that's another series whose worlds are anything but empty
                there's a few other wildly acclaimed open world games that I didn't mention, but that's because I've never played them. But the genre is far from being just empty flat worlds to run and fly through, you just have to look closely and stay far the frick away from Nintendo

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I just wish it wasn't the death knell of the kind of Zelda game that I like.
                Scarlet and Violet were awful compared to BoTW/TotK but at least they didn't throw away the old formula.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                TotK definitely feels more like a Zelda title than BotW did though, they kinda toned down more of the sandbox elements from the first game and even gave us temple boses that aren't just Ganon copy+pasted 5 times. It still doesn't feel totally like a traditional Zelda title, but you do get the feeling that Nintendo was listening to fan feedback and made adjustments based on that.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >at least they didn't throw away the old formula
                this isn't a good thing

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >this isn't a good thing
                Why would developers just throw away decades worth of established lore and gameplay anyway?
                Oh yeah, because that was exactly what BotW developers did and they were praised for it.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You misread that guys post I think. He was saying that sticking to the same stagnant formula isn't always a good thing and you seem to agree with him in a weird passive agresive way

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I was being sarcastic but i don't blame you not noticing written sarcasm.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >bro forgot the /s tag
                biggest mistake shake my head, sarcasm does not exist on the internet unless explicitly handwaved. Remember Poes Law

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You misread that guys post I think. He was saying that sticking to the same stagnant formula isn't always a good thing and you seem to agree with him in a weird passive agresive way

                I was being sarcastic but i don't blame you not noticing written sarcasm.

                >bro forgot the /s tag
                biggest mistake shake my head, sarcasm does not exist on the internet unless explicitly handwaved. Remember Poes Law

                hey I'm the anon from

                >at least they didn't throw away the old formula
                this isn't a good thing

                you're right I completely missed the sarcasm but that's totally on me no need for /s tags that's reddit as frick

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's comments like this that make me realise BOTWgays are just posers chasing anything that's "popular".

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, my first zelda was Minish Cap (I had played Ocarina but not for long and didn't do shit because it was scary). Together with Skyward Sword they are my favourite Zeldas, but I still loved BotW. I think it's just people who like hating on popular things.
                I don't think popular equals it's good, but in this case the game is both popular and good

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I liked the aesthetic of LGPE but I think if they make a game with said aesthetic, better map design and limited open world sections then I think it would really do well.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's not the map design that's the problem (outside of stuff like Route 7).
              It's fact that they cut every 'mon that isn't Gen 1, including the cross-gen evos. (Yet added Megas and Alolan forms for some reason.)
              Removed Held Items and Abilities. (But added Forced EXP Share and Affection Boosts.)
              Removed the ability to battle Wild Pokémon.
              And removed the Sevii Islands from FRLG.

              I get that some people wanted a more "pure" version of Kanto.
              But if that's what you really want, you may as well just play Yellow.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Removed Held Items and Abilities
                >Removed the ability to battle Wild Pokémon
                >And removed the Sevii Islands from FRLG
                None of these are problems.

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    the next pokemon game will be a shitshow again and there's nothing (you) can do about it

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    When someone pointed out to me that the Temple of Time (the tutorial area) is bigger than all of Paldea I had a small breakdown laughing

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      source on that?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        playing the game?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I have never played the switch pokemon games

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >my game has more empty space than yours
      Whoop-dee-do.

      all of these are asset flips with copypasted engines. even arceus has so much copypaste that like 20% of the game's backend isn't even used

      So is TOTK. What's your point?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >So is TOTK.
        Play the game.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Buy our terrible game. Please.
          Anyone with more than two braincells can tell that it uses the same assets and game engine.
          No that it's inherently a bad thing. (It saves on development time.) But BOTW sucked and I'm not buying that shit again.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            "I'm not buying that shit again," he said on the Pokemon board

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have played both and I can say that's not true.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Doomers have no scepticism when someone tells them things they want to be true, don't get worked up over them. They're ultimately screeching online, while the world moves around them

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's not true, it's probably about a third or over a quarter at least. But yeah, it's still embarassing.

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Zelda
    >Pokemon
    Evidence that the shittier the games are, the more they sell

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wow, nintroony really have no standards.
    And yes, i know i'm saying this on /vp/ but i haven't seen anyone willing to defend pokemon games in years and rightfully so, while people get triggered like the mongoloids they are everytime you point out a flaw in the Zelda "game".

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    TOTK just seems like what BOTW should have been in the first place.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Which is good because I pirated BotW, so I'm only paying for the full game.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, it's a sequel with more content. What did you expect? If BOTW was BW, then TOTK is B2W2.

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    So why is every game ever always the fastest selling game?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      He knows. Shut it down.

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    both are lazy goyslop scamware

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Spamming that image doesn't make my words any less true and that's ignoring the franchise has only vindicated what I've said since you made it and started posting it expecting it to do a frick like the child you are.

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's more interesting to look at is the growth of a series under Switch and the legs on each game. Pokemon really is Nintendo's Madden in that the longterm sales fall off insanely hard compared to Mario Odyssey or BotW. Even before a new generation comes out. Every series on Switch has seen like double or even triple the sales growth and Pokemon can't seem to manage that. It's no doubt very profitable but clearly totally stagnant.

  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I LOVE collecting 1000 koro seeds AGAIN and receiving a HUGE PIECE OF SMELLY GOLDEN SHIT
    Thanks Nintendo

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >when fricking Zelda has reached it is sales
    This sentence doesn't grammar.

  27. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    All for a glorified DLC pack and the death of traditional Zelda lol.

  28. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Eventually you come tot he realization that Nintendogays have lower standards than pokegays
    Zeldagays
    >pay 70$ for a DLC
    Splatoongays
    >pay 60$ for the same game
    Animal crossinggays
    >just want new villagers
    Mario is the only one that keeps some certain novelty so far

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >people buy the sequels
      wow no way bro!!!!!!!!!! thats amazing holy shit upvoted!" you cracked the code bazinga!!!!

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Go and buy another identical Call of Duty or Battlefield already.

  29. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The amount of Anti-TOTK that doesn't change the entire point of the thread
    Man, never thought Sony Pony's live in this board

  30. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    TotK is proof that even if we get longer wait times between generations it'll still end up looking like shit. It took 'em 6 fricking years to add floating islands to a game. The problem has and always will be GF, not the development times

  31. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    There's no point in comparing a fast food chain with a five star fancyrestaurant. You're stupid for thinking that the fast food chain will stop making cheap products and become a 5 star restaurant despite making millions of dollars. It's popular because it's always accessible and present and delivers simple easy satisfaction despite being low quality trash. You're also stupid if you think that said low quality trash was the best food ever made

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      But both Zelda and Pokémon are fast food chains

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >fast food chain
      I didn't know McDonald's burgers come with social criticism on the side. It's stupid to compare either Pokemon or Zelda to fast food. Most game developers set out to create art, not toxic industrial fodder.
      >You're also stupid if you think that said low quality trash was the best food ever made
      Are we? Or are you for being unable to appreciate high art? Pokemon was not always low quality trash.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Most game developers set out to create art
        >she actually believes this

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's the foundational truth of games and anything else that is an attempt at telling a story. Comparing games to fast food is just inept. Anyway, I thank you for respecting my pronouns.

  32. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Uh oh

  33. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine if the multimedia part of Pokémon had independence from the games. They could keep shitting out low quality lechonk plushes for little timmy, and take their time with the game.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      That’s not how the real world works

  34. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Pokémon is selling the best it ever has since the first Gen despite releasing unpolished products
    >Games like Zelda and Animal Crossing reach higher peaks because they have far longer gaps between releases and actually take their time to hype their products
    Clap your hands if you’re surprised. Pokémon aims for more frequent sales since their games release more often whilst franchises with more infrequent instalments will put everything into people buying their one big game every now and then.

    This board is even more moronic then I thought

  35. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pokemon games are never allowed to take more than a year to make because the games aren't where they make their money, dumbass.
    The games are ad campaigns for the merch releasing that year that makes like 5 times the amount of money the games make.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      And TotK proved Zeldadevs are just lazy and basically don’t have to work, nor do they have death lines to make money

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >completely swapped engines to the Splatoon 3 / Nintendo Switch Sports engine (source: https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2023/05/the-new-zelda-title-apparently-has-a-game-engine-link-with-splatoon-3)
        >added a whole underground open world
        >added several sky islands with puzzles and boss fights
        >added a whole new set of sage powers and shiekah slate runes, some that work as variations of old ones but others that work completely distinctly
        >added an entire building system
        >added new physics interactions to power said building system, such as water interacting with lava and rocket propulsion interacting with physics objects
        >added a whole new weapon and shield building system
        >added a new attachment system to archery
        >rebuilt entire sections of the main map
        >replaced every divine beast dungeon and shrine with new ones
        >added several new enemies and reworked existing ones to gel with the new mechanics
        >lazy
        huh? and those are only the changes I've seen so far when playing the game, who knows what else there is

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          It’s funny you tal about the underground. Back when SM was released, /vp/ complained a lot about how GF made a walking and running animation but then didn’t use them. The underground is very similar in this regard, a lot of time wasted to create a huge space, and is full of fricking nothing

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            it may be "full of fricking nothing" (entirely subjective, the whole Yiga Clan subplot happens there), but at least it's playable in the game, which is more that can be said about the walking and running animations

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              The animations were used for the camera feature so we are even here homosexual

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                then why'd you bring them up as unused content if they're not?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                To point out the similarities?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                the only similarity between them is that they're parts of a videogame

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                The similarities are both devs are fricking stupid

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >full of fricking nothing
            The best part of the underground is that I'm scared every second that something will jump at me in the dark because there is a limit how much you can light things in front of you. The appeal isn't things being there, but the possibility, the heart rate going up.

  36. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >every dev in the planet is completly bamboozled how EPD-2 did a game like this with all the physics running wild
    >t-that means my 20 year old handheld dev that started making hd games 4 years ago must be able to do the same!!!
    No other dev managed to go from fricking 3ds games to open world hd games in 4 years but hey it‘s mih gf bad

  37. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    If it were up to me, Game Freak would release a new game every two years (a new generation followed by a Legends game or something equivalent). $10 DLC expansions would be acceptable for gap years, but not at the expense of spin-off games.

    6 years is too long to my liking.

  38. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    You better not cry when the next games look like BDSP then if you want them to outsource their shit so much

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      they already outsource up the ass, there's like 2 or 3 temp hiring agencies listed in the credits for SV
      they should outsource to Monolith

  39. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    money is your god b***h

  40. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Did Pokemon fans really did this on May 12th when Legends Of Zelda Tear Of The Kingdom came out? What about the DLC?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly yes. We only bought SV because there was a major open world RPG drought besides Elden Ring, and TotK does a better job at satisfying that craving.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I didn't, I still play the games for raids, but only when things like Chesnaught pop up because I like to play multiple games on the fly, including Zelda but not TotK (yet).

      The DLC is what I'm waiting for to get properly into the games again, but because I'm not new to this schtick, I know that March-May is a news drought, so it's no wonder that the ADD-ridden mongos in the fandom lose interest.

      Also, don't let

      Honestly yes. We only bought SV because there was a major open world RPG drought besides Elden Ring, and TotK does a better job at satisfying that craving.

      mislead you, he doesn't speak for everyone, regardless of the tone of their post.

  41. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is this the first time Zeldagays touch grass and realize their games are average at best?

  42. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not paying 70 bucks for a game.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Get a job.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >saying "get a job" instead of posting "just pirate"
        Found the shill

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Emulation doesn't do TotK justice and hacking a switch is too hard for anyone here.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >and hacking a switch is too hard for anyone here
            Oh right, I forgot that I was in /vp/ for a second
            Bye morons, keep being morons, wake me up once a new cool romhack comes out

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Have you played Flux?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I said romhacks, I fricking hate fangames because you can't fast forward the slow parts (90% of the game)

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                So you can hack a switch but you can't download a fastforwarder that works for every fangame?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Literally what? If you're talking about speedhack in cheat engine, that shit is too annoying to use and glitches a ton of games
                Spoon feed me anon

                Also, hacking a switch is literally just buying a jig and dragging files into a SD card. Any moron can do it

  43. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Zelda took 6 years of development, reused the same map and people still complain about the graphics. Graphics homosexuals are killing video games.

  44. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's too late for Pokemon. Its reputation in the public is in tatters now. The next game will underperform severely.

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