>”Gamers dont want traditional rpgs, they want action games”
>multiple traditional rpgs come out, all of them huge successes
>Gamers dont want traditional rpgs, they want action games
>”Gamers dont want traditional rpgs, they want action games”
>multiple traditional rpgs come out, all of them huge successes
pills, now
>half of Starfield sales
>less than half of BG3 sales
>god knows how much less than the next DMC sales
The public made their opinions clear.
>Shove your action!
That giga chad looks like Elder Toguro from Yu Yu Hakusho which was a manga series written by a TURN BASED ENJOYER.
High based.
Low based.
Would rape
that's younger toguro retard
Elder Toguro was the body snatcher/weirdo
>half of Starfield sales
>Starfield
>sales
anon, do you think people playing on Gamepass are "sales"?
>half of Starfield sales
Kek, he fell for the “6 million PLAYERS” marketing line.
Are FF16 shills that mentally retarded that they are asking strangers on a Vietnamese rice farm forum for their pills?
they're actually not FF16 shills, but yoship/ffxiv shills
The important bit about those RPGs is that the best one is turn-based.
its not the combat system that matters, its the rpg elements
Action RPG's dont lend themselves well to RPG elements.
And yet the arpg with the best rpg elements is kingdom hearts.. a fellow square game.
of course they do, you are retarded
It's the combat system. Most gamers are filtered by DMC style attack focused combat systems. All the games that gets praise from journos and gamers for it's combat system such as Souls-likes, Nioh, Hogwarts, NuGoW, Batman etc. are all defence focused. You bait enemy attack, hit them few times, stamina bar fills in so you get back a bit, rinse and repeat. They thought they could get Elden Ring numbers without copying Souls combat or something similar to it but they copied DMC instead, a game series that historically sold a fraction of Souls games.
They do have a Soulslike Final Fantasy with Stranger of Paradise, but that game was memed because of Jack and the Plot.
Nobody is filtered by XVI . Stop coping.
He's right
Are you high? FFXVI's platinum trophy is rated as "uncommon" not even rare nor ultra rare. It has high achievement rates. Nobody is filtered by XVI.
https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/22648-final-fantasy-xvi
It's ultra rare anon. You need to hover on it to see the actual values.
>FFXVI's platinum trophy is rated as "uncommon" not even rare nor ultra rare
?
>using PSN values
And this is the trophy for beating the main story. Nobody was filtered by XVI.
PSN values
As opposed to?
You can play the game with autocombat on and still beat the main story.
>You can play the game with autocombat on and still beat the main story
So you agree that nobody was filtered then?
If you use autocombat you didn't beat the game
No, they go the trophy for beating the game. Therefore, they beat the game.
No. If you use autocombat you didn't beat the game
Yes, they did. The accessories work all the way to NG+. The game itself doesm't care nor differentiate between using the items.
If you use autocombat you didn't beat the game.
>Nobody is filtered by XVI
>posts image of the easiest action game ever made
kek
That's not God of War
is filtered by XVI
Correct.
What the fuck are you talking about? DMC is an extremely normie-bait franchise.
>DMC is an extremely normie-bait franchise.
Elden Ring(20M something) sold more than DMC series minus 5
Dark Souls in 3 games sold more than DMC in 6
Something being more popular than the other thing doesn't mean it isn't normie bait.
I'm not sure where this opinion came from that DMC is some niche inaccessible series when it was THE mainstream hack n' slash game of its time. They were pumping out clones of it in the 2000's like nobodies business.
The thing is other J-Action series sells a fraction of DMC. Ninja Gaiden historically sold like shit, Bayonetta series is forever stuck at 3M range. They don't have the mainstream appeal as you claim to be. Not even DMC5 has with it's 20% completion rate for human and devil hunter difficulties. Son of sparda and dante must die has less than 10%.
Difficulty comes from lack of player imagination. Action games that discourages player expression and imagination are the ones that gets most praise.
Difficulty mostly come by lack of good designed combat or balance you suck cocks in ninja gaiden if you dont learn the wall jump attack cheese
>Difficulty mostly come by lack of good designed combat or balance
Ninja Gaiden is designed for no damage runs.
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KEK with the bow jank of first versions? Sure and ffxvi is designed for that too
but the dsmage are custcenes KEK
>3 million sales isn't mainstream
what the fuck
>Difficulty comes from lack of player imagination. Action games that discourages player expression and imagination are the ones that gets most praise.
player expression and imagination is boring when there's no challenge or no obstacles to overcome.
just stop and think - why would i play an action game over a fighting game? a fighting game allows so much more player expression, actual challenge and an online community. an easy action game with no interesting enemies, where the only depth is the amount of options you have as the player, is not as interesting because it doesn't feel rewarding to be creative.
>player expression and imagination is boring when there's no challenge or no obstacles to overcome.
LOL. It's easy by design, they want you to get used to controls and character feel before wanting you to tackle on the real challenge. Only hard DMC game is DMC3 for the normal difficulty.
>I'm not sure where this opinion came from that DMC is some niche inaccessible series
capcom astroturfing the fans into thinking that dmc doesn't sell so they don't have to make more
It's true, that's the number one complaint I've heard about the game since it's release. Too hard.
lmfao kys
>Nioh
>defence focused
>They thought they could get Elden Ring numbers without copying Souls combat or something similar to it
[citation needed]
its true but you are also a clown
DMC is a training dummy whack a mole simulator
the most potential is between these systems so Sekiro and Nioh 2 are the best versions so far
but this didnt make them huge hits bcs a game is way more than its combat systems
It's both.
Souls and Nioh disagree.
Combat is not roleplaying. Not without the existence of other things which you could do instead if combat.
Nioh is not an RPG in any way whatsoever. You are William, you follow his story, there is no role-playing of any kind. Stat autism and leveling up doesn't make it an RPG.
Dark Souls has heavier RP elements than Nioh, but they aren't very major parts of it. You can kill NPCs, follow their quests in different manners, join and follow covenants and ultimately choose to side with either Frampt or Kaathe, but those things don't have very significant influence over the way the game plays out and they can be almost completely ignored if you don't care (which is the way a lot of people play the game).
I disagree however that you can't make a proper action RPG. There is literally nothing stopping companies from making a game like BG3 or Pathfinder and slapping action combat on it.
>Souls and Nioh
Not RPGs
making number into big number is why jrpg are such a joke, its very rare to find a interesting combat system compared to crpgs
>taking turns
>interesting
>needing rng
lol people just want to meet n fuck.
This.
If FFXVI was a traditional turn based RPG in the style of old FF games it would have sold even worse.
>what if what if what if
It is a FACT that Final Fantasy sales have been on a linear decline since they have become more action focused.
FF7R went from being one of the most anticipated games of all time to selling like a wet fart.
Are you telling me that a Final Fantasy game that is PC centric, has online coop, has a character creator with different races, has dialogue choices, has lots of weapon/gear choices, has job choices, and a whole bunch of reading would be more successful than FF16?
Literally all they have to do is just make 14 again and it not be an MMO
Is this why bg3 never gets gameplay threads and only gets waifu threads?
maybe in your schizophrenic head
Why do you make this same thread multiple times literally everyday?
>why do mentally ill people post on Ganker?
Don't let the door hit you on the way out
Still a flop, Eric.
it sold more copies than blood borne, are you saying that shart borne was also a flop?
At this point i think we can safely say now that Zelda managed to do what FF has fail to do for year, bringing new people to the franchise i swear to god that square needs to stop trying to recapture the lightning in a bottle that was FF7 even the FF7RE couldn't do it
Budget Eric, 3 million means nothing if that's barely enough to cover the production and marketing costs.
FF16 probably needs 9 million sold (about 1/4 of the PS5 ownership) to make the necessary profit margins to be considered a success.
Meanwhile Bloodborne made its money back on the first million sold. Everything after that was pure profit.
nice pivot goal post moving gay morons.
I'm not an investor in the companies retards, I couldn't give two shits about their profits or lack of profits.
Copies sold are still a direct measure of success.
who cares if they spent 2 billion to make it but made back 2 billion and 1 it's still fucking 2 billion and 1 worth of profits.
>who cares if they spent 2 billion to make it but made back 2 billion and 1
Their investors dumbass. Selling a few million copies just to break even is a fucking terrible investment.
NTA but it's been profitable since week one according to SE, whatever it's sales will be idk but it's not losing money or anything at this point.
>NTA but it's been profitable since week one according to SE
No it hasn't, they in fact have never said it is profitable and said it sold below their high end expectations, it hasn't actually profited at all, it hasn't generated any profit and since it hasn't sold out its initial stock it isn't going to be generating any profit until then, and its sales are so slow that whatever retailers do order will be miniscule and pennies in terms of profit
FF16 is a failure
I accept your concession, Eric.
well too bad for those fucking investors I guess
the game is literally profitable retard so what point are you even trying to make with "muh budget".
FF16 sold more than Shart Borne and that alone proves it's a phenomenon and simply a success.
but you're a chud who'll still say ff16 is a flop and that blood borne is based because you love to suckle on fromsoft's thick balls.
>the game is literally profitable retard
No it isn't
>so what point are you even trying to make with "muh budget".
It literally isn't profitable
>FF16 sold more than Shart Borne
Even if it did that means nothing since FF16 cost more than shartborne and took like 3x longer to make
>IT JUST ISN'T OKAY
>source
>barry's axe wound
I see the Barry victory tour is still going well, very nice
>victory tour
if only
unfortunately 16 still did well enough that Square likely learned nothing.
Why are you projecting about your axe wound XVI cultist?
It literally isn't profitable based on SE's own admission and their OI taking a hit because of FF16s costs getting counted Q1 FY 2024
Fuck off Eric go back to shitposting in starfield threads
>2 billion
they finally released the official budget?
>3 million
See
>on a console no one owns.
PS5 has sold about as well as the PS4 did in the same time frame.
Ps4 at this point in its life cycle had sold 15 million more consoles than ps5.
>I swear to god that square needs to stop trying to recapture the lightning in a bottle that was FF7
They kind of have.
>MMO
miss me with that niche shit
If SE announced they were holding an event dedicated to FF3 then the same amount of people would show up that show up to those FF14 events, it is not some huge number in attendance that you seem to think, literally only a few thousand people which is nothing
>If SE announced they were holding an event dedicated to FF3 then the same amount of people would show up that show up to those FF14 events
But they don't. If SE could charge $200 a per person for an FFIII fanfest every 2 years in three different regions in the world, don't you think they would?
The only reason they don't is because it's not a live service game so they have no incentive to, however if they did it would still get as many people showing up
A few thousand people is not a lot in terms of a games audience
Well, it is a live service game that charges a monthly subscription and has a cash shop. And the reported number of attendees at the NA 2023 fanfest was 15,000, though I'm sure that's not the real number. There were plenty of complaints that there were too many people, not enough seats, merch stores on location ran out of goods too fast and people were upset. These people had to enter a lottery to pay $200 a ticket, capped at 2 tickets per buyer, so they could take a few days off work to travel to Las Vegas via car or plane, rent a hotel room and see in person what they could've seen for free online just so they could enjoy XIV themed kiddy attractions in a giant warehouse where a furry with covid was running around unchecked.
Do you think that many FFIII fans would do that every 2 years?
If SE right now announced they were holding an event for FF3 and advertised it everywhere like they did the FF14 shit then yes thousands of people will go
You think there would be so many FF3 fans willing to go to an FF3 fanfest that SE would have to lottery tickets because scalper bots would be too quick to snap them up, limit purchases to only two tickets a buyer at $200 a ticket, host it in Las Vegas where fans would have to take a few days off and travel to and run out of FF3 merch within half an hour of opening their on-location store AND you think there would be enough FF3 fans not only in NA, but Europe and Japan to do this. By the way, did you know that Square Enix has rented the 55,000 capacity Tokyo Dome for the Japanese 2023 XIV fanfest?
never seen so many disabled people in one place
>Furry Covid Fest
Ftfy
Yes
Cope
Nta, but compare budgets.
>multiple traditional rpgs come out, all of them huge successes
And not a single gosh darn one of them has anything to do with their turn based combat.
True. No one gave a shit about Pillars, Divinity or Wastelands or whatever.
They took the name of an old classic and put in romances.
Now that I've actually played FF7, this webm is hilarious to me, since this particular fight starts with Rufus accompanied by a jaguar that's the actual "threat", and the fight is intentionally easy and cinematic since you have to do it with solo Cloud.
When Rufus is alone, the fight is basically over, so the only reason the player is spending so long wailing on him with a basic attack is because he wants to.
Ff7 remake did a fine rework of rufus fight if you ignore the retarded trenchcoat made by roberto ferrari
XVI is like other failed SE and Square projects. It's a Japanese game that attempts to be a Western game. The Japanese cannot write in this way, nor does their art fit the style well. Vagrant Story is another example of this sort of failure. The "I'm not a weeb" types praise this stuff endlessly (it allows them to feel less provincial), but nobody else cares for such poor art tbh.
>""traditional RPG""
>tons of jank and shit gameplay
No we just don't want to have to compromise between wall of text walking sims and goyslop action games.
RPGs can be deep AND have action you know.
>action
>deep
>rpg game
:/
>rpg game with sex
🙂
>action game with gay sex
:/
This game was great if you like dungeon crawlers.
This
Fuck RPG games
How many actual competent action RPGs came out in last five years? Elden Ring? Kingdom Come, what else?
Bannerlord
It's good? I couldn't really get into it, even though I have hundreds of hours in warband. I should probably give it another try, but it felt unnecessary complicated for my small zoom zoom brain.
Still not buying XVI.
10m
that's pressing more buttons being pressed and has more RPG functions at play resulting in what happens than this
Also that is XV easy mode wait mode, meanwhile FF16 has no easy mode, there is no physical difference between choosing story mode or action mode in FF16, all it does is equip the ring items automatically, enemies are identical in everything otherwise, whereas in XV easy mode enemies are easier than in normal with different stat differences.
So what you're saying is that XV is the bigger casualized piece of dogshit than XVI is ?
>skippable cutscene
>same as unskipable cuck cutscene in 7r and 16
So you're retarded
The HP bar and hud literally isnt on the cutscene overlay you retard so no
it didnt cuck you out of any meter or action like 7r and 16 do which have their hud overlayed on the cutscene
meanwhile ff7r and ff16 do nothing but cuck you EVERY FUCKING BOSS
post that happening against behemoth, post it against cerberus, post it against melusine, post it again ma-x angelus, post it against loqi, etc
oh wait it literally doesn't happen in any fight
Also you can literally skip that Ardyn cutscene while you can't skip any cuckscene in 7R or 16.
FF16 is the most casualized piece of shit in existence and it's so fucking casual even if you somehow do get a game over (only possible by losing on purpose) you get RESTARTED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIGHT WITH THE ENEMIS HP TAKEN DOWN TO WHATEVER YOU TOOK IT DOWN TO AND YOUR ITEMS FULLY RESTOCKED
LMAO
Meanwhile in XV if you get a game over you have to reload your save
Cope SBK91 you stupid gay
More like you can't read
More like you can't read
At least you'll have to do some experimentation to get OP in FFV. In XVI, you get the strongest accessories right at the start.
> Strongest
You must be joking
t. Platinum'd XVI
>accessories that trivialize the combat
>not the strongest
what was he thinking ?
No, Yoshi-P. Make a good game, people will play it. Make a bad game, people won't play it. Simple.
You can keep your "traditional rpg", i'll go for the horse drift one.
What's this game? Looks like that game from Black Desert devs or whatever that was shown in August.
It's Crimson Desert by pearl abyss (The same guys that did BDO) most stuff that was supposed to make it in BDO made it into Crimson Desert.
Right, I remembered it was Desert or Black in the name, hence why I immediately recognized it as made by BDO guys, looking forward to that game, seems like very fun, BDO was fun too, or just felt good killing someone, but I didn't play it past level 40(I think? When do you get second spec or whatever the shit), it felt like really grindy and based on RMT. Crimson Desert is supposed to be single player right?
Crimson Desert isn't an MMO like Black Desert, but I love the fact that they learned from BDO and put that experience into a single player title.
Level 56 is when you unlock your awakening, and at least level 62 or 64 is when most players stop because they have all their necessary skills.
I guess I did get level 56, I can't really remember honestly. But yeah, I love that, I wish more gacha/RMT-based devs would make single player games, but obviously most would follow the money, which is fine, nothing wrong with that.
>gacha/RMT-based devs would make single player games
Only one I know making one (Or attempting to right now) is Hyung Tae Kim and his company ShiftUp.
But the retard forgot most of his company only worked with Live2D and has no experience with UE4/5 and 3D action games in general. Stellar Blade has been in dev hell for years.
>Stellar blade
I remember it had different name too right? Or didn't have name at all, like maybe 4 years ago?
It went under the name Project Eve for a while with constant "WE'RE HIRING" notices at the end of their trailers.
Oh, didn't know they made Nikke, but they had to be developed at the same time probably, I remember seeing Stellar blade's trailer way before even knowing about Nikke
Crimson Desert
if those RPGs didn't have cute romance options, they would be alot less successful
>Yoshi-P says no one wants to play turn based RPGs anymore
>4 bros in a row mobile game makes more money than the past 2 final fantasy games combined
Clowned on.
So you guys want Square to make F2P gachas now?
They literally already do, but I was just pointing out how gamers are fine with turn based games as long as it's good.
>Now
SE makes most of their money from F2P gacha these days
If a gacha game ever makes less money than any console or PC title it's just literally dead. The large ones make literally millions per individual characters on their banners they better be making more money than ToTK and Elden Ring combined. The quality and combat system of the gacha game doesn't even really matter in most cases even.
Gameplay does matter, but only to an extent. That's why you never see a turn based gacha that's just auto battle make a lot of money unless they are soft-porn games.
It really doesn't lol, action, turn based, puzzle gachas, tower defense, etc. As long as there's decent pace of content releases and coom you can keep a gacha alive for multiple years easily. To act like it's because Star Rail was some amazingly designed turn based game is the reason everyone played us just laughable. At least using BG3 I could actually understand your point but not a gacha especially not a Mihoyo gacha game after Genshin blew up MHY's reputation to the heights it did.
But genshin is the only gacha I played because I don't want to look at pngs, I actually enjoy the gameplay loop and exploring, would be great if gameplay loop be better, but it's gacha. A lot of games fail to do things that genshin does, I love environments, I love the way skills look in genshin, I don't see a lot of games with magic with wind like Kazuha's or magic slashes like Raidens ult, they just look cool as fuck even if gameplay loop is okay at best.
You're pretty braindead if you didn't think gacha like Genshin sell BECAUSE they put more effort into the gameplay, not less.
>Genshin sell BECAUSE they put more effort into the gameplay
lel. gacha sell because they're casino apps. idk how much online poker makes but probably quite a lot.
retard
no u gachapig. go play the newest gacha slop from a company called "pig corporation" lol
retard
FGO is gambling
It's soft-core porn.
>thinking hoyo shit eaters have standards
lol, literal npc player base
>so let's appeal to the people that never gave a fuck about JRPGs in the first place, that will bring in money!
It worked for XIV!
>It worked for XIV!
That's the bizarre thing.
After the 2.0 reboot of XIV, they actually went full ahead in the direction of "bring in classic FF staples into the game" after largely ignoring them in 1.0. It was all about being as true to the FF franchise as possible, and being a love letter to it.
Then 16... goes in the complete opposite direction.
It make no real sense.
how can he say that when persona 5 sold like crazy?
It's only at around 8 million after 7 years and going multiplat to every modern console it's not that much more crazy than FF7R or XV really. Like I guess it's amazing for Persona but not really for FF
>b-but P5!!
which came out like 8 years ago and the rest of their games sell like shit. Metaphor and P3R won't even sell 2M
lol, I can't wait for P3R to outsell Rebirth in Japan
P5 chuds aren't buying P3R, you can shill it harder than you did soul lackers 2 but it won't change the fact.
Persona 5 is 8 years old dude. Give it a rest already. It's like saying Tales of Arise sold like crazy, yeah for a Tales game but pales to the rest of the industry.
"I'm from a generation that grew up with command and turn-based RPGs," Yoshida said. "I think I understand how interesting and immersive it can be. On the other hand, for the past decade or so, I've seen quite a number of opinions saying 'I don’t understand the attraction of selecting commands in video games'. This opinion is only increasing, particularly with younger audiences who do not typically play RPGs."
The dude is absolutely retarded, in a generation where Persona is kicking FF's ass.
>we want the younger generation to play the game
>the game is full of mumbling old farts do their dollar store impression of grrm writing
Bravo, Dogshita.
>It worked for XIV!
The difference is that XIV is a Final Fantasy theme park that revels in franchise staples and isn't ashamed of being a Final Fantasy game. There are times you could argue that the game is shameless about it's nostalgia pandering.
FFXVI is the exact opposite. It feels like it's ashamed to be called Final Fantasy and wants to distance itself by any means necessary.
He is right that old FF combat is total trash and that nobody wants to play that shit anymore. However, the problem with XVI is not that it doesn't play like old FF, the problem is that it is simply not a particularly great game.
I think the combat in FFXVI is really good.
>all of them huge successes
I mean yeah but it’s a little bit of a reach to say they’re successes because of their genre and not in spite of it, the internet hype machine can sell literally anything to normies if ecelebs said starfield was good they would be saying it too
Barry shut the actual fuck up. We legitimately do not care about 16 or your pet game 15 anymore just shut the fuck up.
I accept your chudcession, Eric.
The most important aspect of gacha games is the gameplay
>multiple traditional rpgs come out, all of them huge successes
Name 5
BG3 and uhhhh....uhhh...honkek lol? Would you consider it traditional rpg?
Baldur's Gate 3
Sea of Stars
Stafield
Xenoblade 3
Elden Ring
Sea of Stars has even less customization than XVI
>Sea of Stars
>Huge success
>ER
>Starfield
>traditional rpg's
Fucking retard.
Cope.
Fucking retard.
Yes you are.
Cope.
Sea of Stars blows dick
Got it for free still felt ripped off
Two listed here did worse than XVI and in what way is Xenoblade a traditional JRPG? it's probably the most different compared to most JRPGs on the market combat wise.
And yet it still mogs XVI
Add Chained Echos. I loved that game
>japzoomerblade
I've never seen Xenoblade gameplay before but wtf.
Please, tell me this shit is cherrypicked and doesn't reflect the actual game.
Sort of? So there's a lot of ui clutter on account of a few things, the first being that this is challenge mode and all those blocks dropping out of enemies is essentially the score.
The second thing cherry picked here is the video taker has the game super fucking zoomed in when normally your FoV is much much further out.
The final cherry picked thing is that the OP is fighting multi mobs, some that you can do in XB3 obviously but party vs 1 monster is much much less noisy with numbers.
That said the visual design of xb3 even taking all of those out is still pretty noisy and just at the border of overwhelming. It's not quite over that line, but as you can see by the clip it's not hard to get there.
you are a pedo eric, i know you are because people “allegedly” said you are one
Mods please ban eric for being a pedo as its now confirmed
>pedo
Thanks for the compliment
it's weird because 1 was decent but 2 and 3 have the most shit tier "gameplay" i've seen in years
1 has the worst gameplay in the franchise
X clears
>Tumblr's Gate
>Sea of Trannies
>Pronounfield
>Weeb Garbage
>Body Type Ring
Dark Souls has done a lot of damage to the RPG community. It has made many zoomers and developers believe that such games are RPGs when they are not.
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And yet it sold 2x what FF16 sold in its 1st month
>sold less % to the userbase it was sold to
kek
FFXV sold 4m day 1 to 47m PS4 and 5m in a month to 50m PS4
FF16 did 3m in a week to 40m PS5 and is still 3m after 2 months to over 40m PS5
Basic math shows XV sold better to PS4 than FF16 sold to PS5.
XV at 4m to 47m PS4 had 8.5% attach rate
XV at 5m to 50m PS4 had 10% attach rate
XVI at 3m to 40m PS5 has 7.5% attach rate
>ignores XBox and PC to distort the numbers
thank you for playing, I accept your concession
kek
XV didn't launch on PC and what does it matter if it had an Xbox version when it outsold FF16 with its PS4 version alone, you fucking retard?
so ffxv killed the ff brand ?
Thats the cope of yoship
FF15 didn't really kill the brand on its own.
12 was delayed too long, then it started the trend of FFs taking longer and longer to release.
13 was just super hallway-simulator and was weird and confusing for people, 14's an MMO, and 15 was some super weird boy band hangs out in a care simulator in a mostly empty open world.
16 forgets it's a mainline Final Fantasy, and acts like its a spin-off FF game.
To say nothing of the awful 7 anthology stuff in the mid 2000s to early 2010s, which also was filled with such awful Japanese melodrama and ridiculous plotlines and bad gameplay.
The series has been largely lost for at least a decade and a half. Could be argued longer. 15 is notable because some people had high hopes that "FF was coming back". But then we just got 15, and it was awful.
No, XV saved the brand
FF16 killed the brand for being such dogshit that nobody was even interested based on the countless 3 years worth of trailers
By your logic FF7 killed FF because FF8 sold less than FF7
No, the series was heading downhill ever since the switch to the PS2.
15, like 13 before it and 16 after it, is simply a point where a wave of old fans realized they're never getting what they liked about FF again.
The issue is more with awful, anime generic JRPG shit they were doing, not with traditional or turn based RPGs.
What about a combination of both ?
Leave it to Falcom to quietly make the greatest KINO which some big dev will copy at some point.
Of course, none of those other devs will match Kondo's vision and the writing quality of Kiseki. Nor will they match the art team. Nor the music team. Such is life.
Ok, but I want to play Kuro NOW. I need it on my Steam Deck NOW. Specifically the Durante port NOW. I want it NOW. NOW. NOW. NOW.
Too bad playing Cold Steel is required for that series.
The most successful games post 2000 are not and will never be turn-based rngshit, autismo.
i fucked her
You do not look like this
literally me (im italian)
>im italian
And he's british
its over
Ok Mario
People/gamers are slowing down again. Baldurs Gate 3 is the perfect game to play with some movie/youtube video in the background. You can pause it during major cut scenes and play it when you are running around talking to random NPCs
Kek you cant pause the game evrn offline cause it have the same problem of soulsshit having online integrated so your moron friend can join meanwhile you play in real time
Final Fantasy is just a tired franchise
Just posting in this thread to laugh at you.
I'm XVI-kun btw.
Turn based can sell a lot if it's more than mashing the same option over and over.
For example, consider this:
4 options that the player can customize.
Make you have to pick a different one for certain enemies, and some be of "utility" like healing the character or boosting the character specs, and bob's your uncle, it will sell a lot.
>huge successes
Chinese bots are not success
This post will get dozens of replies by shills in Europe and Chinese re-education camps.
FF16 is the lowest selling FF in history.
You don't need to lie to say 16 is a shit game. It's already a shit game without it.
I'm not even lying, it is literally the lowest selling FF.
You are literally lying. Yes, 16 is shit, but it is not the lowest selling FF.
Fairly sure it is, unless you are doing some limited duration comparison. Even if we go off launch windows, it's very low in the pack.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7-Crisis Core, 7-Dirge of Cerberus, 7-Before Crisis, 11, Tactics, Tactics Advanced, Tactics Advanced 2, 13-3, Strangers of Paradise, Mystic Quest
All sold less than 16.
Several of those went on to eventually sell millions more after re-releases and remastered over several decades. Not the original game.
Oh, fair enough if you don't consider re-releases. Spin-offs should not be included however. (SOP, MQ, Tactics, etc.)
>counting spinoffs and non AAA games
retard, out of all the AAA FFs FF16 is objectively the lowest selling, and out of mainline FF it is barely selling any better than fucking FF1-3, and it sold less than all of them in Japan. Considering FF16 is the most expensive FF ever and had 7 years of dev time, it selling barely on par with a fucking NES game made in a year that never released outside of Japan for a decade is embarrassing.
>retard
Says the person who is incapable of understanding the numbers. It's okay that you're wrong, it's confusing for some people.
Have a good one anon.
Incorrect. Reread the reply chain.
Thank you for playing.
Holy fuck you are retarded and coping over FF16 having the worst sales of any AAA FF.
FF16 is the lowest selling FF in Japan and the lowest selling AAA FF worldwide, and is the lowest selling FF in the last 30 years
>coping
anon, are you illterate? I hate FF16 and hope we never get another FF remotely like it.
I'm pointing out that saying "FF16 is the worse selling FF ever" is a lie.
FF16 is shit enough as is without lying. Yes, I'm being anal and autistic about it.
What do we call this dude that Shills 16? Can't be Barry, because they have XV.
You ESL? They're not shilling 16. They're getting hung up on a minute detail.
>1 through 5 are spinoffs
you dont play videogames
Guess you can't fucking read since FF16 sold worse than FF1-5
nta, but wrong.
FF1: 1.3 million
FF2: 800k
FF3: 1.4 million
FF4: 1.8 million
FF5: 2.65 million
The only way to make what you say work is if you take into account remakes/remasters over several decades after, and not the original product.
>counting Japan only sales for FF2, 3 and 5
retard
Those are worldwide sales, not Japan-only sales (except in the cases where they were only release in Japan), retard.
If you want Japan-only sales:
FF1: 500k
FF2: 800k
FF3: 1.4 milion
FF4: 1.5 million
FF5: 2.45 million
No they aren't you fucking retard
FF2, 3 and 5 never released outside of Japan, and FF1, 4 and 6 only released on JP and NA, literally none of those are worldwide numbers which only get factored in once you count the re-releases that were the ones that got released in EU and other regions as the first version of that game available in those respective regions
FF16 is literally 414k in Japan so fuck off
You're illiterate
Look at the posts again you retard.
You literally said FF1-5 and claimed they were worldwide
FF1 only released in JP and NA
FF2 only released in JP
FF3 only released in JP
FF4 only released in JP and NA
FF5 only released in JP
FF16 released in JP, NA, EU, UK, AU, NZ, CA, India, South Korea, SA, etc, aka actual worldwide
FF16 sold LESS in Japan than FF1-5 sold in Japan too
You illiterate monkey
Look
at
the
numbers
Actually you know what, nevermind. I already proven my point, it's nobody else's fault if you can't read and can't accept that you were incorrect.
The numbers that show FF16 sold less in Japan than FF1-5 did, and the numbers that show FF16 sold less than the actual global sales of FF1-5? Ok retard, keep coping and omitting sales numbers and entire regions because FF16 lost to fucking NES and SNES games that weren't even AAA scale games
>hurr durr
yes, we know anon.
Japan exclusives
When gaming was not nearly as big
FF1 never released outside JP or NA
FF2 never released outside JP
FF3 never released outside JP
FF4 never released outside JP or NA
FF5 never released outside JP
FF16 released worldwide simultaneously you fucking idiot, and all 5 of them sold more than FF16 did in Japan
And FF16 only sold on one console, while 15 sold on 3.
Yet we count all sales then, don't we?
So we count all sales here.
You're an idiot. These are the numbers, and I accept your concession.
FF15 sold more on PS4 in ONE DAY than FF16 sold on PS5 in 2 months you stupid gay
I accept your concession, anon. Thank you for looking at the numbers provided and acknowledging.
The concession that FF16 sold less on PS5 than FF15 sold on PS4? Ok
FF15 did 4m on PS4 day 1
FF15 did 5m on PS4 in 1 month
FF16 did 3m on PS5 in a week and still is at 3m after 2 months
Yes, I accept that you were incorrect in the face of actual data provided, and you're coping.
Have a good one anon.
Yes FF16 sold less than FF15
I accept your concession
We know FF16 flopped
I accept your concession
>if I shitpost, it means I won!
The most obvious sign that someone lost an argument. Thanks anon.
No, that probably goes to crystal bearers, which of course is the inte FF game I bought and liked.
It is
FF1 3.4m
FF2 3.1m
FF4 3.6m
FF5 3.5m
FF6 4.6m
FF7 14.1m
FF8 9.6m
FF9 6m
FF10 14m
FF12 7m
FF13 7.7m
FF15 10m
FF7R 5m
FF16 3m
It isn't.
see
The only way to make it work is for you to take into account rebuys from remasters/remakes, and ignore the original games.
It is
See
It's also literally the lowest selling mainline FF in Japan, stop coping.
>in Japan
trying to be sneaky there I see
nice cope on your part, though
FF1 - 1.3 million
FF2 - 800k
FF3 - 1.4 million
FF4 - 1.8 million
FF5 - 2.65 million
FF6 - 3.4 million
FF7 - 10 million
FF8 - 8.6 million
FF9 - 5.5 million
FF10 - 8.5 million
FF12 - 6.1 million
FF13 - 7 million
FF15 - 8 million
FF8 sold 9.6m as of 2019 where 1m is PC CD-Rom and 1m was Steam (they delisted the old version and the new version is now listed instead), so PS1 only did around 7m (the 9.6m includes PS3/PSP and mobile versions too)
XV is 8.5m excluding PC
FF13 is 6.7m excluding PC
FF7 never hit 10m on PS1, in 2005 it was 9.8m across PS1 and PC-CD Rom where 1m was PC CD, it only hit 10m once it came to PS3/PSP in 2009
FF16 is still the lowest selling AAA FF
>FF16 is still the lowest selling AAA FF
Incorrect, as has already been explained with data.
>incorrect a fucking nes game sold slightly less
Anon, 16 is already a shit game without lying. You don't need to lie to try to make a point.
Just point to the awful "RPG" mechanics (lack of), shitty side quests, and no party.
FF16 is literally the lowest selling AAA FF.
It isn't a lie, it is factually the lowest selling AAA FF
This is not going anywhere.
In any case, the data and numbers are on my side. Even if you want to add in a lie here and there, at the very least we can agree that 16 is shit and hopefully we never see another title like it.
The data literally shows FF16 is the lowest selling AAA FF
All AAA FFs
FF7 14.1m (was at 4.5m in 3 months time aligned)
FF8 9.6m
FF9 6m
FF10 14m
FF12 7m
FF13 7.7m (was at 5m in 4 months)
FF15 10m (was at 6m in a month)
FF7R 5m (did at least +500k on Steam which SE hasn't updated yet, did worse than Forspoken on PS5)
FF16 3m (still at 3m after 2 months)
The first AAA FF was FF7, FF was not AAA until FF7
The following is a list of all the AAA FFs
FF7
FF8
FF9
FF10
FF11
FF12
FF13
FF14
FF15
FF16
FF7R
The sequel to FF10 and FF13 were not AAA level, they were significantly lower budget, made heavy asset reuse and due to having significantly lower amount of CG they cost significantly less, X-2, 13-2 and LR were AA at best.
FF16 is the lowest selling AAA FF
Incorrect. You have a misunderstanding what that term means, and the numbers have already been provided.
You don't need to lie here anon in order to say 16 is shit. 16 is just shit.
Strangers of paradise sold more? KEK
Strangers of Paradise sold half the number of copies.
Not enough people respect Jack's strength.
Shitpissers... I thought people only played actionshit...
MC draw looks like chaoskiller KEK
No one knows who that is
15 dollars for 2400 primogems? That's a year's salary in my country.
>nostalgia gayry: the gacha slop
>fails even at that by shoving new garbage donut steels in your face as the "protagonists" no one asked for
Even here Square Enix somehow managed to fail, lol.
>nostalgia gayry
>in a series from the 1980s with 16 iterations
I never expected this...
FFtards don't play more than one game from their shit series.
I've played every main numbered game in the franchise and a few spin-offs to boot and I can say with confidence the only FF games I couldn't bring myself to finish were FFXV and After Years.
That was maybe true in the early 2000s, but there's literalliy too long an amount of time in between games in the past decade+ for that to be the case.
>america does not like turn based RP-
>we need mature stories and char-
>the game will not sell without a top of the line engi-
Wow the guy that copied wow and said he wasnt a genius fulfilled the prophecy of getting cocky and failing
>getting cocky and failing
tbf, the gay has a huge cult-like following that sings his praises, of course he got cocky.
Does bazztek even sleep? His entire existence is centered around these weird cope threads.
Melbourne: 6.45am. 55f. cloudy. sleep well barry you've earned your rest
rest easy king
We'll take it from here
Phil Fish was right
It's so weird that Phil Fish and the Bioware heads, of all people, are responsible for Japanese RPG devs being self-conscious of the JRPG moniker
every single person on that panel looks and probably smells like shit. and it makes me smile knowing not a single one of them are relevant or even liked.
JRPGs are fucking trash.
what will that guy do when a turn based game wins GOTY
I know what I'm hoping for! 😀
It's not a JRPG. Traditional Turn-Based JRPGS don't sell unless it's Pokemon.
Western homoslop won't sell unless it has gratuitous sex.
If you're talking BG3, that game did well IN SPITE of it being turn-based. People flocked to it because of the open-endedness of how you can solve quests/branching paths/weird choices. Plus, romance options always draws eyes. The combat tends to be something a lot of people just put up with.
That does point a problem with Square's current thinking, however. The problem isn't really turn-based itself. It's that they refuse to expand the "RPG" part of the FF titles, and want to fully keep it a completely on-rails "movie as a game" spectacle.
Every game that came out so far brutally mogs FF16, it's almost too funny.
Leave Square to me
The only person at Square who knows what he's doing, too bad Squaredrones are too mentally stunted for his games, he deserves so much more
RPGs are better as action games.
His games aren't RPGs.
I preordered FFXVI and even liked it. The problem was not the combat.
It is that it is not Final Fantasy. Tried too hard to be Game of Thrones. Not many RPG elements.
What do you mean it is not Final Fantasy?
It had crystals! CRYSTALS
Action RPGs are better, the mistake was the ps5 exclusivity. I dont know anyone who has a ps5. Make a pc version on steam or gog.
>the mistake was the ps5 exclusivity
Only one of the mistakes.
The other is lack of a party. Granted, you can get away with it in a side-title (7-Crisis Core has a lot of fans, even though I'm not one of them, I don't like it), but making a mainline FF without a party is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way.
The RPG-stats/abilities are so barebones to barely even count as RPG mechanics. They shouldn't run away from what people like about the sries.
I think PS5 exclusivity was not a problem.
But you are right about the characters. The characters were just not memorable. There is Cid and that's it. A grimdark game without charismatic characters.
And the worst thing is, since they are going Westaboo this will going to be worse. I can imagine the next title to go full woke with terrible characters with terrible personalities and tons of American style progressive politics.
Next title final boss gonna be another projection of social networks like facebook or twiteion from ffxiv shitwalker as X Musk
>I think PS5 exclusivity was not a problem.
You’re crazy if you don’t think it was at least a factor.
15% of all PS5 owners bought the game, but at the end of the day that’s still only about 5 million units sold.
Where did you get that 5 mil number?
Here.
https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2023/08/02/final-fantasy-16-sales-robust-japan-abroad-ps5/amp/
Also I was slightly off. It’s 13% of PS5 owners bought the game.
Point still stands, the game did about as well as it could’ve on a console no one owns.
>includes demo players into that number
Holy fuck you're retarded, that just proves less than 3m people even bought FF16
>includes demo players into that number
>Source: I made it up.
No I’m sorry you’re right, Im certain XVI didn’t sell a single new copy in the last 5 months since that 3 million figure was touted.
Literally read the fucking source you stupid gay
>*Note: The June FF16 data includes user activity for the demo, which preceded the full launch of the game.
holy KEK
XVI-shills can't help but get pwned every single day
anon, the shills are the ones who create these threads every single day to keep visibility on 16. You just naively play right into the shills hands.
It's the most talked about game on Ganker. But it shouldn't be, it's trash.
LMAO at this shitty gambit
no shit
doesn't matter if shills makes this thread daily, it's not going to help them
Looks like you can't read
And FF16 sold so poorly it hasn't even sold through 3m to consumers yet, from week 2 to now it has barely sold 350k worldwide
FF16 was 3m SHIPPED plus digital sales in a week
At best that was 1.5m shipped and 1.5m digital sales
At beast 1m of that 1.5m was sold through to customers
So at best it was 2.5m sold through, leaving 500k of unsold stock lying on shelves by the end of week 1
From week 2 to now it has only sold 300k globally, meaning it has not sold out its 3m launch shipment, and digital sales are abysmal too
>There is Cid and that's it. A grimdark game without charismatic characters.
Clive is a thousand times more charismatic than that standup smoked up comedian
Mr. Batman voice is more memorable?
Also the typical jrpg mc that ends up being discount jesuschrist with demonic superpowers?
Having range and resembling an actual human being is more memorable. Clive doesn't just spout memes, infodump and waste cigs.
>Mr. Batman voice
That's Ineson and that's all he has. Clive's VA goes from Batman to M'lady man to a crying mess with surprising ease.
>dub
you talking about clive rosenstein?
Projecting your schnabel insecurities? Cute.
his name isn't clive rosenstein?
Ok shnabel boy.
damn playboi that image of clive rosenstein is litty no cap
How is Clive in any way more charismatic than Cid?
Clive shows an actual range of human emotions and isn't an infodump/meme device.
Sir Crandall scene alone mogs the entirety of Cid's screentime.
clive has no range of emotions he's a robot who just does what the story says he has to be now, he doesn't feel like a real human
>dub
Clive shows a wider range of emotion than any ff protagonist to date, or that meme smoker Cid. Seethe harder ugly shnabel fag.
clive has no range of emotion whatsoever and he never belly laughs the entire game
Tidus going HA HA HA HA HA has more emotion than anything clive does
Clive laughs like a normal person. Nobody cares about your childhood obsession with clowns.
>the smallest smile is a laugh to XVI cultists
holy fuck no wonder FF16 flopped
Even Lightning smiles more
Lightning is an ugly dyke no matter how hard you try shitposting, schizo. Her "smiles" are ugly just like your nose.
She's more masculine than Clive lmao
She's a dyke. Just your type.
clive looks like a lesbian chud, even kuja is more manly
>kuja
Your obsession with clowns needs to checked out by a professional.
Clive looks like a sigma male, and that makes you feel inadequate kek.
clive is a charisma void
even lightning has more personality
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Holy delusion. Clive mogs your dyke anime waifu in terms of charisma.
Show 5 moments post time skip of clive laughing out loud, not just a little smirk but actual belly laugh
He laughs in the Dzemekys scene when he and Jill talk about books.
>5 times
How about you get your mental illness checked? What should he laugh at? The corpses his schizo mother arranged?
Actually, you can make him laugh 555555+ times if you spam petting Torgal.
>a mumbled "heh" is a laugh
jesus christ no wonder FF16 flopped
A normal person's laugh, yes, clown fag. He also laughs at Gav in Ash and in a couple of side quests.
You can make him laugh an infinite number of times if you spam petting Torgal.
Eat shit kek.
>a smile is a laugh
even Lightning smiles more and her entire fucking character trait is that her emotions were removed
Clive laughs, cries, rages, acts sarcastic, acts smug, roleplays and so on.
Your ugly dyke will always be ugly, no matter how many times you imagine she smiled kek.
He doesn't do any of that, he's just a blank faced mannequin the entire game who spouts retarded chuuni shit at ultima out of nowhere
>He doesn't do any of that
He does. You're a miserable autist who didn't play the game.
Why are you posting pictures of a lesbian chud with no personality?
>lesbian chud with no personality
But enough about that dyke Lightning
Why'd you post a picture of Lightning?
>drone face
>skinny dyke
>looks like she and the bird might be related
No wonder sigma Clive makes you feel inadequate kek.
Why did you post a lesbian chud again?
>lesbian chud
Enough about Lightning, nobody cares that you're a gay who got molested by clowns
You posted a lesbian chud again
>You posted a lesbian chud
Nobody is posting Lightning except for you, clown victim
You posted a lesbian chud again
>a lesbian chud
Enough about Lightning, clown victim kek
lesbian is more manly than clive lmao
also the ultimania just confirmed clive died fucking lmao
Nobody cares that you love dykes like Lightning and are afraid of men like Clive, clown victim
The Ultimania just confirmed that the ending is up to interpetation
The ultimania said that jill knows when clive is lying and that him saying he is coming back was Jill seeing that clive lied, meaning jill knew clive was going to die because he lied about coming back
clive died
The Ultimania said that she "unfortunately" thought he might be lying because she overthinks Byron's remark, which literally indicates she's mistaken you absolute schizo kek
He's not lying, he wants to come back and loves her
In the end Jill has faith in Clive being alive with the sun coming back
No it indicates that clive is lying
Shitposting schizo, the writer literally says that Jill "unfortunately" thought he was lying because she overthought Byron's remark, which outright means she was mistaken in that moment and shouldn't have thought that at all
He's not lying about his desire to come back and his love, and he's promised to come back to her several times before that
And the sunrise at the end shows Jill having faith that Clive will come back
He does look like a ladyboy from thailand tho
You'd know all about ladyboys in Thailand
I mean they look exactly like, what his name again, protagonist from ffxvi
Clive has a euro face and blue eyes, mongoloid fag
Uncanny resemblance to be honest
OH NO NO NO NO NO
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The absolute state of gay 16
>mongoloid eyes and nose
Kek I know you wanted to get railed by a european tourist like Clive in Pattaya but you never scored
Arr rook the same to me, he looks like ladyboy bro
Clive looks like a sigma male and makes you feel hilariously insecure
Bet you couldn't score even mongoloids in Pattaya kek
holy projection batman
this is some next level of cope ladyboy lover
You're not fooling anyone, clown victim
You wish the ladyboys that fucked your ass in Pattaya had at least 1% of Clive's masculinity or blue eye color
This may come as a surprise to you, but Ganker is not your hug box, most people here don't share your fantasy of being fucked by a ladyboy.
I know you're most likely a chud who likes the protagonist because he bears an uncanny resemblance to a Thai ladyboy, but can you please stop with the degenerate porn psyops? It's too obvious, you know.
Degenerate porn psyops is a big reason why so many people are chuding out. 'Step' this and 'step' that plastered all over the front page, ladyboy / trap BS, BBC cuck fetish. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
>chud
Too bad for you there are none in this game
You absolutely wish the mongoloids that railed you in Pattaya were at least 1% as masculine or blue eyed as Clive kek
You keep defending a ladyboy so youre most likely a chud
>the game has none
Lol
I keep laughing at your fear of sigma males like Clive, clown victim
You're so insecure and terminally ratio'd it's hilarious
>sigma males like Clive Rosenstein
>stein
Enough about your shnabel
You wish you had Clive's euro nose
cucklive has no penis
L O N D O N
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looks like a ladyboy
he literally looks like anabella but with black hair and some babbys first bumfluff glued to his face like a ps2 flat texture
I know 4 people that own one. Just like my own exp means nothing, yours means nothing. The issue wasn't the PS5, the issue not even PS5 owners wanyed to play it.
poor guy was put in a bad spot by square. everybody with half a brain knew yoshit wasn't up to the task, they should've just left him on 14
FF16 is my GOTY so he's right.
that fraud owes me 70 bucks and I won't rest until yoshitpiss and his chud cult face justice
oof imagine buying a ps5 just for this piece of shit. I would pity the snoyim if the were worthy of it but they're subhuman chattel, born to be exploited
based post I too want a refund for final flop shitsteen
look at all of these replies it's over the consensus has been reached, yoshit lost
true the consensus has been reached, there's no cracking it
why do you keep pretending BG3 sold well because of its turn based combat?
Cid was good but Cid was better.
Kek he’s literally the dumbest Jap in history. How can he abandon JRPGs like that?
tfw lived long enough to see FF turn into WoW
let it die bros, move on. this franchise is beyond saving with this company
The story is knda dull but passable. The worst thing about the game is that it's too easy and locks hard mode behind an entire playthrough. The only times I died were times I couldb't be assed to buy potions.
oof imagine buying a ps5 just for this piece of shit. I would pity the snoyim if the were worthy of it but they're subhuman chattel, born to be exploited
this guy looks like he's a chill bro at heart but can't control his sexual urges and acts like a creep
this guy looks like he shits in the streets
just like my yoshitpiss
based as fuck bro I hope you aquire a harem of white qt's
this guy looks like a based chad who fucks the white wife of that bloody bitch Xbox bastard
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>Zelda TOTK
18.5 million in 2 months
>Hogwarts Legacy
15 million in 3 months
>Starfield
6 million in 2 days
>Baldur's Gate 3
5 million in 1 month
>Resident Evil 4 Remake
5 million in 3 months
Final Fantasy 16
>3 million in 3 months
Street Fighter 6
>2 million in 3 months
How come Zelda and Hogwarts mog every other game so hard?
>6 million in 2 days
>implying
Incredible how so many of you gays fell for players = sales on a gamepass game that's also bundled with pc parts
Zelda is going to nab GOTY this year isnt it?
With that kind of sales its impossible not to
Zelda is obvious
Hogwarts was carried by word of mouth, to be precise, the controversy surrounding the pre-release of this game, it made people who don't normally play games buy it, similar to Bayonetta 3 VA controversy but on a grand scale
Hogwarts Legacy still tops charts across Europe 7 months after release
https://gamerant.com/hogwarts-legacy-sales-numbers-figures-2023/
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/hogwarts-legacy-back-at-no1-uk-boxed-charts
https://gameishard.gg/news/hogwarts-legacy-outsells-starfield-and-armored-core-6-in-the-united-kingdom/98578/
Okay, I can understand TOTK and Hogwarts, but why do Mario Karts 8 and GTA V still charting? Jesus Christ
It's almost like they're two of the best-selling video games of all time or something huh
well, for zelda, it's a sequel that's almost identical to the 2017 goty winner and one of the best selling games of all time, on a platform that's almost 120 million strong.
baldur's gate 3 did amazing for what it was, and it will keep rising in sales in a way very similar to witcher 3. it will be "THE" RPG for the next ten years.
witcher 3 sold 6 million copies in its first month, 10 million in its first year. it's now at a whopping FIFTY million.
>huge successes
something not called pokemon is a flop, people want action open world games
It's oberu
i don't understand why people still argue that FFXVI sales are good when it went on sale after only two months.
it reminds me of FF7R coming to PS+ fairly early, like after only a few months. these games just don't have the legs.
Not even Forspoken got an official SE discount as early as FF16, so you know FF16 sales are bad since they actually are trying to get people to buy FF16 hence putting it on discount so early
traditional rpgs come out, all of them huge successes
Name 5 please I want some games to play
>ball dur chud 3
>uh
idk
Octopath 2
baldur's gate 3
starfield
sea of stars
octopath traveller II
ryza 3
>chud game
>not a traditional or turn based rpg
>literally no one cares
>literally no one cares
>people only care because anime tits
he asked for good games anon
octopath traveller 2 has a really good battle system. i don't see why anyone would dismiss it
>barely 6k people bought it on steam
yeah no one cares
the game sold a million copies which is more than enough for an asset flip tier game.
>Octopath 2 has 6000 steam reviews compared to Forspoken's 4000
>on top of that, the latter was probably refunded to fuck
The absolute state
Octopath is cheaper and has an established branding and audience already
Glad we live in a world where Team Asano will live on, and the Studio that developed Forspoken has shut down.
But hey, at least the devs can help Asano with their next game!
Team Asano and the Luminous staff are both in CBU2 and the Luminous staff are stated to be doing AAA development of an existing AAA SE IP and doing Luminous engine development
Too bad ff16 flopped and CBU3 will never work on a real FF
Good luck LumiPro, try not to release an atomic turd this time!
Well the first game by BD2 sold 10 million which is more than CBU1 or CBU3s highest selling game lmao
Lumionus Productions merged into square enix, they did not spread anything around, the team that comprised Luminous Productions are literally all categorized as CBU2 staff now and are still a single AAA dev team that is still doing AAA dev on an existing SE IP and still doing Luminous engine development, since SE literally said they are doubling down on AAA dev and cited the LP staff as being highly experienced in AAA dev
Yes, like I said, Luminous completely shut down. Again, that's a fact.
They were merged team members. They no longer lead projects because they failed so badly.
Luminous didn't shut down, the name "Luminous Productions" no longer is in use because they merged the staff as a AAA team of Creative Business Unit 2, therefor the staff were not shut down.
>They no longer lead projects because they failed so badly.
SE literally said they are doing AAA dev of existing SE IP and still doing Luminous Engine development and literally just announced they are doubling down on AAA development
https://www.dualshockers.com/forspoken-studio-shut-down/
Luminous shut down. That's a fact.
I'm assuming you never worked a tech job, and you also believe Todd Howard when he said "Starfield IS completely optimized for PC".
Developers are still useful even if they worked on a failed project. That's why they're shuffled onto a different team.
They just can't lead a project anymore because Forspoken did so poorly. They will not say so in a press docket because that's bad PR and a dumb way to present yourself to the public. But that's what happened if you actually keep up.
You can use whatever mental gymnastic you want, it doesn't change the facts. Luminous shut down. Fact.
>Still citing editorialised articles not the actual SE source
Luminous Productions was merged back to SE so that they are back to how they were as Business Division 2 now as they are in CBU2, the same was Business Division 3 was merged into CBU1.
They didn't even shuffle the staff to another team, they literally just made the LP staff a AAA team categorized under CBU2 now, they are still at their same office and desk they have been at since they were Business Division 2 since 2013
None of the staff were shut down, they are still 1 single AAA dev team and literally stated to be doing development of AAA existing SE IP and still doing Luminous Engine development
Luminous Productions shut down.
Fact.
Facts don't care about how you feel about it.
Guess Business Division 5 got shut down...
You did, by you countlessly trying to claim the team was shut down, they weren't shut down, the name Luminous Productions isn't being used anymore because the team was categorized as CBU2 now, that's it, they are still a single AAA dev team
>You did, by you countlessly trying to claim the team was shut down
I didn't, I merely said the studio was shut down
which started your sperg out.
And they weren't shut down, they were merged, the team is still actively doing AAA development and engine development, ergo the studio did not shut down, only the name Luminous Productions is no longer being used because SE merged them back into SE proper so that they could make AAA existing SE IP
By your logic Business Division 5 was shut down
>None of the staff were shut down
No one claimed this, the original post was about how their studio closed down. But you seem to have trouble coming to terms with this fact.
What next? Are you going to carry out damage control for Vine and say it didn't shut down back in 2017 because one of the founders went on to make a failed successor in 2020?
The studio shut down. This is fact.
The devs weren't fired and were instead shuffled around within the company, but this doesn't change the fact that the studio is closed.
They were merged back into SE proper after being made into a satellite studio from SE itself to begin with
They weren't shuffled around they are literally still 1 single AAA dev team who are now categorized under CBU2
The team is literally still a single AAA team and they are still using Luminous Engine
https://cedec.cesa.or.jp/2023/session/detail/s642675c24ff1b
Denial is not just a river in Egypt
And you are coping
https://cedec.cesa.or.jp/2023/session/detail/s642675c24ff1b
>coping
Why would I be coping? I have no emotional investment in their success or failure. Just acknowledged a fact that a studio was shut down.
Yet here you are coping over the fact that they weren't shut down and are in CBU2
https://cedec.cesa.or.jp/2023/session/detail/s642675c24ff1b
XVI cultist malding because clive died and the ultimania proves it, now you're on extra damage control
Byron said clive is a bad liar, she didn't overthink anything, she knows when he's lying and could tell he lied about coming back
clive died
The Ultimania literally says the ending is up to interpretation, shitposting schizo
The writer says Jill was overthinking - fixating on Byron's remark - and that she "unfortunately" thought it may have been a lie
Which literally indicates she was mistaken and being a worrywart
While the final scene with her literally shows she has faith in Clive coming back, as the sun rises
Seethe harder kek
After outright indicating that to Jill clive lied about coming back ergo died
Also up until ultimania came out it was perfectly reasonable to say that ff16 was just a book written by a rando named joshua and didn't actually happen, but the ultimania confirms that everything happened and that magic and bearers and ultima and shit is all gone which already narrows the ending down to only 2 possible endings, either clive lived or clive died, and with the jill thing it now narrows it to clive died
and no matter what it is ff16 still has objectively the WORST fucking ending in the franchise
Schizo, the writer literally says she "unfortunately" thought he lied because she overthought that one Byron remark, which means she was mistaken and should not have thought that, but in the end Jill keeps faith in him - she has faith in Clive coming back as the sun rises, and that is the ending scene
Clive is not lying about wanting to come back to her, which he's said multiple times, and loving her either you brain damaged gay
The team is still around, the studio shut down
Anon, Luminous Studios completely shut down. That's a fact.
Now, they DID salvage team members into other groups, because they can still be useful working for other people (just not leading their own projects, since they proved to be incompetent).
https://www.dualshockers.com/forspoken-studio-shut-down/
I would take a bullet for Sakaguchi
You would take a cock for yoshitpiss
>I would take a bullet for Sakaguchi
You already did if you watched The Spirits Within.
Actually non-arguably the biggest flop Final Fantasy has had in its entire existence.
I still love grandpa Final Fantasy, though. He's a treasure.
it doesn't sound like you love him at all actually
I think Final Fantasy has gone to shit without his guidance.
That doesn't mean I'm going to pretend that Spirits Within wasn't absolute hot garbage, and that it almost sank the company. That is documented and acknowledged. It's why he started slowly stepping down after.
I'm waiting for the non-Mobile version of Fantasian to be ported at the moment.
one very expensive mistake doesn't invalidate 25 years of success at square. and seeing how bad square has been since Sakaguchi was fired only reinforces his legacy. now go take that cock for yoshitpiss
You might be ESL, so I'm going to assume that's the reason you seem to have completely misunderstood the post you're responding to.
Nowhere in my post did I say it invalidated him. In fact, I explicitly say that FF has fallen without his guidance. I was merely speaking further when someone counted "taking a bullet for", and I mentioned that he wasn't infallible.
>yoshitpiss
There's also the possibility you're Barry, I suppose, so I might be wasting my time here. But if I'm not, I don't like 16. Not sure what strawman you're arguing with, or if again, you simply misunderstood.
you're still out here taking cock for yoshitpiss and I didn't read your post
Okay, this is 100% Barry.
Time to pretend I absolutely love 16 and just poke at the shizo Aussie in the next post he's obviously going to make within the next hour
you're still out here taking cock for yoshitpiss and I didn't read your post, chud
I don't like 16 or 14, you Aussie schizo.
This is exactly why even people who don't like 16 make fun of you.
XVI cultists having a fit
Square just needs to completely clean house of the old guard, those guys cannot make a good game anymore
5ch is laughing at FF16 again, now they're laughing at the FF16 ultimania screenshots being too fucking dark too kek
https://kizuna.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/ogame/1694140608
Not a fan of how Yoshi P directs vidya. He basically thinks modern RPG vidya audience are dumb retards that can't handle customisation or stats, so he just nerfs it all to shit and simplifies it to the point of it's completely homogenised. He's done it in XIV and XVI was also the same. I don't get his view point because you can have a game with strong customisation, as well as a great narrative. Shit like Dragon Age Origins or even BG3 that just came out is evidence enough
I feel like his target audience these days are 'dad gamers'. The ones who just like a simple game with A to B and zero messing around with customisation systems, gear or stats.
>He basically thinks modern RPG vidya audience are dumb retards that can't handle customisation or stats
I mean, he's not wrong. The number of people who completely miss the "level up button" for Baldur's Gate 3 is way too damn high.
The point is "who cares if a bunch of people are dumb, if the game is fun enough, they'll be forced to eventually figure it out"
>The point is "who cares if a bunch of people are dumb, if the game is fun enough, they'll be forced to eventually figure it out"
Was XVI fun?? I felt like I was spamming the same shit over and over. I was kinda happy once I finished the game tbh. I've never felt that way about an FF game before. Usually I feel sad once I complete it but in XVI I couldn't wait to get my monies worth and stop playing.
Eh.
It's not the worst game I've ever played, but it's nothing that I'm going to bother replaying. I'd say it's completely "middle of the line", which is very much not good for a game trying to put FF back on the map.
When people play FF, they LIKE those RPG elements. They need to be embracing that stuff, not running away from it.
>these days
he's been making games for brain damaged retards ever since like 2013
FF was always for dumb retards who can handle customization or stats
>you can have a game with strong customisation, as well as a great narrative. Shit like Dragon Age Origins or even BG3
Neither of those have strong customization, let alone great narrative
As an action game enjoyer, I freely admit that action games are the goyslop of video games.
Sometimes I just want to turn my brain off and shoot stuff. And that's okay.
>Sometimes I just want to turn my brain off and shoot stuff. And that's okay.
I don't mind goyslop action games. But don't call make a Final Fantasy game and make it goyslop action. Just call it something else for fuck sake. FFXVI is the furthest thing I've felt from an FF game ever. It was an okay game. Just not Final Fantasy
Define "huge success". Indie dev rpg who sells 10k is a huge success, a 3A arpg with 1kk world wide isn't
selling above expectations is huge success
ff16 has not
the other games have
enough seething help me out here guys which one of these two should I buy to play Starfield?
ps. I'm poor
the kingston one will come with random chinese parts and will die in 4 dies tops.
buy the 970 evo, 500gb is good enough space you don't need 1tb.
Samsung is a significantly more reliable brand for SSDs. You should probably get at least a 1tb one for gaming, though.
but anon, I'm poor. I sold the family pig so that I could buy this NVME to play Starfield.
get the 500gb then. if you only plan on installing starfield then it's more than enough.
scratch that I just found the 970 evo 1tb on sale I won't have to sell another pig hell yeah we playing Starfield boys!!!
>Gamers dont want traditional rpgs, they want action games
unrelated to FF16, of course, which is a movie with an action minigame tacked onto it.
isnt the action gameplay shitty in the last few FFs anyway? they should work together with someone like platinum or anyone else, its not like Japanese dont know how to make action. thats what creativdad did when he realized MGR is boring and it turned into an action alltime classic
They DID work with Platinum for FF16. They also brought on a direct from the DMC series to head up the combat.
That doesn't fix a padded out game with boring side quests, and barebones/barely counts as RPG mechanics and lack of party.
Action combat of that style works much better in a more straightforward and contained game, it breaks down if you stretch it out for too long without introducing new ways to exploit that combat to get really crazy.
huh, too bad. guess some things just suck. arent they downporting it now or was that something else? maybe the new star wars
Haven't heard anything about that.
Just that they're apparently porting it to PC at the moment, and making two DLC things.
Don't know what the DLC is supposed to be, but if it's story-based, then it means theyr'e completely out of touch (since 16 is already bloated as hell with the story going too long/sidequests). The changes that would be needed are more gameplay and mechanics-based.
But this is Square we're talking about. They likely ARE completely out-of-touch.
The problem with FF16 is that it doesn't work as an action game. It's
>Far too long and drawn out, needed at least 10 hours slashed off the main story
>Less RPG elements and fetch quests like Mids ship
Yeah, that was the point I was attempting to make but maybe didn't explain well enough.
They needed to lean much more hard in either direction. While my preference would've been go hard on RPG, if they absolutely HAD to go action, then they really needed to fully commit to it.
Instead we get this half-assed in both directions thing that doesn't work well at either.
the game was unironically better with less rpg elements. add too much and you get 7R or fromsoft gameplay which is way too prescriptive.
I unironically think 7R has the best ARPG combat in any FF they've ever done, and it's a system they should be iterating on beyond just 7R.
There are OTHER problems with 7R in terms of narrative and pacing, but the mechanics were good.
7R's gameplay isn't bad, it just has some very glaring problems, namely aerial combat and how literally every boss has a cutscene at 50% HP that resets the stagger gauge, making the stagger gauge fucking pointless.
and that the enemy aggro shifts completely when you switch characters, meaning you can "no damage" some bosses by using effective spells and constantly switching while the boss stands there and watches. Or that the game is designed in a way where you're forced to take damage no matter what unless you use the above strategy or tifa slide away from everything. 7R is a decent rpg but a pretty bad action game.
Japanese developers are always 5-10 years behind the curve. Stuff like persona and baldurs gate are doing amazingly but they chose to make a qte action game with walk and talk sequences.
They are also just starting to release woke games and anime with morons and lesbians and stuff. We had enough of that last decade.
Also is this a Barry thread?
>Japanese developers are always 5-10 years behind the curve.
Reminder the poster avatarfagging as Clive is a 34 year old loser desperate about convincing people over a mongolian basket weaving forum this shitty Game of Thrones clone is a good game.
Is jillfag a gay or a trans?
Even worse, a brazillian.
He self inserts as Jill and is spamming some ugly male character images in these threads
what do you think?
100℅ chud
>https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/filename/IMG_0879.jpg/
The interesting part is the XVI hate spam a little ways down.
What game on Ganker has had such an insane defense force for such a mediocre flop 3 months after release like XVI?
If it was some hidden gen Id understand but nobody here even likes talking about or showing the game
You think the 16 defense force are the ones making FF16 threads every single day? I've got a bridge to sell you.
It's 16 shills who pretend to "hate" 16, but are secretly making sure visibility is maintained on the product hoping for future sales.
It's like 3-4 FF14 discord cultists who have been vehemently defending FF16 for the past 3 years trying to come to terms with the fact that they shilled a flop for 3 years
I hate 16 and all, but this post smells suHispaniciously like Barry waking up and joining the thread.
why do they do it? Whats their endgame?
Why be this obsessed over such a mediocre and forgotten game like XVI?
It's all out of their cultish devotion to Yoshi-P, but you need to be severely autistic to even be a fan of his.
If the team is still around then the studio wasn't shut down you fucking idiot, the name they were going under is no longer being used because they were merged as SE proper again
By your logic Business Division 11 doesn't exist because that studio goes by Team Asano
By your logic Team Asano doesn't exist because they are in CBU2
If it really is a mediocre flopwhy do we still have daily threads shitting on this game and Yoshida? You never see threads for other boring flops like Redfall or the Saint's Row reboot
I'm only here to dab on XVI lolcow (singular)
if the game was good people would talk about XVI but not even the XIV/XVI fags want to
Ive seen hundreds of these threads hit bump limit with not even 10% of it talking about XVI. Just endless seethe
These threads are basically
leftoids AKA liberals AKA ff 16 fags
versus
rightoids AKA straight males AKA JRPG fags
>leftoids/rightoids
I appreciate the strong attempt at a new angle at shitposting for these particular threads, but that's a huge stretch to try to work in political teams for the 16 schizo threads
supremely based
click here to join The Discord...
I want both.
Squeenix is just an incompetent group, enslaved to out of touch share holders who think they know who to target to gain a profit.
The ultimate take-away from game development is you can try whatever you want, you just have to convince players it's fun. It's on you to make your ideas feel good to players.
>rare is better
>everyone gets well done instead
Was really hoping XVI was gonna return to its RPG routes and innovate with it before XVI was announced but after the mediocre failure XVI has become, im just sad I will never get a proper RPG again from this series
Last mainline FF with decent RPG mechanics was XIII
It's sad but I actually find FF13 to be more of a Final Fantasy game than FF16. They're literally regressing each time they release a game
t. Nomura cultist
Cant wait till the next thread where XIV/XVI fags seethe endlessly until the thread hits bump limit
At this point with how autistic and schizo they are, this shits gonna be daily for at least a year of seethe
friendly reminder the retards still think that FF7R wasn't profitable, despite it getting a new game in a couple of months.
Looks like Barry woke up.
Which means a brand new 16/YP thread anywhere from 5-50 minutes from now.
Melbourne: 8.50am
XVI discord trannies: engaged and alerting the group
Final Fantasy is dead. Play better Shitenix games.
pic unrelated
pic related is a better a d more profitable game than XVI will ever be thats still getting video essays of how its a masterpiece to this day
Not even yoshit piss could make a singleplayer game better and more profitable than automata
Figures literal gays from reddit are the ones that defend yoshitpiss
i bet 100% those fags wouldnt be making those comments if yoshi p wasnt touching the game
it's funny he said that because octopath 1 & 2 were pretty profitable for square enix
Bump limit reached
See you all in the inevitable Barry thread
Barry won
He won a lifetime of creating daily 16 threads? I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy
He keeps winning and you keep losing, not even FF16 shills talk about ff16 lmao
16 is talked about every single day on Ganker, anon
16 is shat on every day*
Not even 5% of this thread was actually talking about XVI
hundreds of these threads and zero discussion over the game because its fucking mediocre
>FF15 DLC with his waifu cancelled
>Modding tools never released
>Hajime Tabata left
>FF14 shines on, FF15 is forgotten
>Only time it is really acknowledged are for anniversary posts
>For its 5th anniversary, they re-released the CGI movie tie-in in 4K
>No next gen ports/optimizations, game is buried
>Versus XIII's spirit lives on within KH3 mechanics & expy characters
>Two FF7R sequels and a KH sequel announced despite the last game "bombing"
>NEO TWEWY announced and released to great fan reception
>Gives a streamer money to read out his post "I don't want Sora in Smash for the schadenfreude"
>Sora gets in Smash
>Tabata is now a Web3 advisor for the Japanese government
>In 4 and a half years, his company has produced little
>The first was a Paralympics mobile game which shut down in half a year
>The next is Development kit which helps make NFT games
>The last is a collaboration with ANA for yet another NFT platform
>Their next confirmed game is -you guessed it- a Metaverse game with NFTs
>Forspoken is ridiculed before launch
>Released to 6/10 reviews from critics and users alike
>The CEO that gave the game his blessing is cast out
>Luminous Studios disbanded and absorbed back into SE
>DLC adds a sequel hook that will never be followed up on
>New CEO reiterates that game sales are disappointing
vs
>Final Fantasy XVI does well enough to reach expectations, but does not reach high end expectations
>...
Err, what other wins has he had in the last 5 years exactly?
Non canon
Not needed, FF16 and 7R have none at all, neither does FF14, at least XV still has fans making the exact mod tools SE was doing and they still put out some mod tools
Tabata saved FF then left
14 is dead, 15 is beloved as the savior
Its remembered all the time, that was the anniversary of the movie too you retard, the fuck else are they supposed to release, the game is already on every platform and on PC
nobody cares about versus
Sora is forgotten
Tabata has new JRPG in dev with Agni and FFXV devs
Yoshitpess never directed any game ever
FF16 flopped
SE CEO includes FF16s boss
LP is CBU2 now still doing AAA dev and LE
XV canon DLC all released
FF16 DLC is cut content
FF16 DLC was a massive flop and tanked SE stock
>the game is already on every platform
it looks like ass on 2/3 of them
why wont they re-release it like Witcher 3?
It mogs FF16 in every way possible
if its a lifetime of watching the people he hates seethe at the fact that their game is a forgotten flop daily then barry is in his own heaven
It's apparent
>seething cause Barry destroyed the yoshit cultists
see you next seethe thread
>Barry does <1 min> and pretends to be someone else arc
My favorite part of poking at Barry, he can't help himself
Barry won.
The consensus has been reached. Barry Won
That are less than 1m apart dumbass
Schizo she literally knows he lied because she can tell and there is no other reason for clive to be established as a bad liar if it had no purpose later on, like in that comment to which jill believes clive is lying about coming back, ergo clive died
still the worst ending in FF history
>That are less than 1m apart dumbass
KEK
Barry STILL doesn't understand what it means, no wonder he keeps doing it
Shitposting schizo, the writer says she "UNFORTUNATELY" thought he was lying as a result of her overthinking Byron's remark, which literally means she shouldn't have even thought that
Clive wants to come back to her, as he's said many times, and he loves her, that's the truth
She was mistaken there, briefly succumbing to doubt, but she ultimately has faith in Clive coming back, as the sunrise scene indicates
meant for
You will never be normal, you will never be accepted, you are a genetic deadend.
kek, Barry got caaaaaauuught
Retardbro your reading comprehension..
>1 min
How does Barry STILL not understand not how to out himself?
>1 min
Holy shit you legit retarded
Nice try tho
How? Barry, how do you STILL not get it?
Man you're retarded you can't even read time
KEK
He still think it's the "1 minute apart, as forced when from a single source" thing
Do it again
You're legit retarded holy shit
:^)
Concession accepted btw
lol, Barry screwing up English and misunderstanding posts are my favorite parts
>1 min
He... he's not going to understand what he's doing still. It's getting ridiculous
Final Flop Shitsteen...
>1 min
He did it again, hurray!
lol
>1 min
how long it takes to beat up a random grunt mooks in FF16, talk about damage sponges!
it's over
there's no cracking it. Barry Won. The Discord Won...
XVI cultists can't even tell time....
Barry going schizo and barely stringing together proper English was severely missing from this thread
Good morning Australia
Hello XVI discord trannies, are all 5 of you gearing up to shill FFXVI all day again while sperging over your made up aussie boogeyman?
FF16 is a 5/10. It's not bad. It's not good. It's just a game that is serviceable and that's it. It won't win any awards.
jrpg's have never been traditional rpg's so i don't know what the fuck this retarded moron is on about. final fantasy and the sort have always just been moviegames with RPG elements sprinkled in. they are absolutely no better than the current state of western RPG's. if anything, western RPG's are making a comeback to tradition with games like Underrail, Pathfinder, Pillars of Eternity, etc. even fucking Disco Elysium is more of a real RPG than nipshit.
>FF16 already dropped out of Japan top 30 weekly sales chart
OH NO NO NO
kino thread
Remember when fujotrannies hijacked this thread 2 days ago
Back then I was willing to stop posting and let people discuss the game itself in the thread, but you fujotrannies just had to test my patience