Games are art

Games are art

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not those ones.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No they are not, gay

      No

      Games are art because they're creativity productions.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Games a retard makes on sub par salary because he literally can't get a better job instead of starving are "art"
        no.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not a refutation.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            concession accepted

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Liar.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Explain how can gays that put no emotion or any kind of investment in making these games are able to produce a master piece

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're appealing to extremes ("a master piece").

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >interactive combination of visual and audio art
          >the means of interactivity are a creative expression
          i don't really care but i don't get the pedantic retards who try to say theyre not

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Where is the effort? there is none because they just do it to get a salary. There is no passion, no enthusiasm. You literally can't argue me back on this.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Michaelangelo was commissioned to paint the Sistine Chapel. Being paid to do a creative endeavor doesn't always take away from the fact you did it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Doesn't always
                Well then we can compromise that mass effect will never be a work of art, neither will be skyrim.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Whatever makes you feel better lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                go fuck yourself todd

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          All art is made by starving artists.
          also
          >because he literally can't get a better job
          Therre are a million jobs easier to get than game design

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So I guess James Naismith is a famous artist because he created the game basketball

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Basketball isn't considered a medium; video games are and have literature, art, and gameplay.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >implying creativity wasn't thrown out of the window in the middle of gen 7
        ngmi

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://www.imdb.com/list/ls090715768/.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >9 fucking good games out of 45

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I don't have a problem with the first 10. A game can be artistic and not gameplay quality or innovative.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >A game can be artistic and not gameplay quality or innovative.
                >missing the point
                If anyone is daring to claim a video game is a work of art is because of itself; by being interactive. A video game that it's bad because of the shitty interactivity is nowhere near to be acknowledged as such. If you move the goalpost is because it's incredibly creative and that list is almost full of deritative.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Quality games exist that have little or mediocre gameplay.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If a game has mediocre gameplay is not a quality game in any form.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Most shooters are mediocre; the gunplay is still RNG hipspread; recoil is laser-esque; ADS movement is slowed; character mobility is simple; it's still fun playing these games, so they're fulfilling a purpose. The game is quality.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The game is quality.
                No, just becaus you find it fun it doesn't make it good. fps are shit games for decades now.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're not refuting that it's fulfilling its purpose as a mediocre and enjoyable game that, e.g., at least put OK features together. It's not a bad game, while being fun, so what is it?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's not a bad game, while being fun, so what is it?
                A pitiful distortion of the concept fun.Move the goalpost to claim a video game fulfilled its purpose to entertain at that's about it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >A pitiful distortion of the concept fun.
                Strawman.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It is; try arguing without making up negatives for this figurative video game.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Took you like an hour for a comeback and only came with a passive agressive card. Anon, don't bother deflecting and being reductionist appealing to subjectivity; videogames are a sum of its part not the oposite. You will always will wrong doing so.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I was playing a game.

                Pokemon is a turn based series, and even though spatial games are some of the most skillful (increasing real skills), physiologically stimulating, and thus rewarding, Pokemon Red is a quality game.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is sheer trolling. You don't fool me I know that game from start to finish.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      /thread
      well maybe they're the equivalent of modern art lol

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No they are not, gay

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, but they're not high art yet because they don't get even close to fully exploit the potential of the media.
    We're on the equivalent to cave painting, and there's some assholes smearing shit on it because they think the paints need smell to be more precise.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      youre talking out of your ass, in what ways have games not exploited the potential of the medium?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Boot up tlou2 and ask ellie that

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Literature and gameplay are usually low end (1-5/10); graphics are OK.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To be less annoying, games are an interactive medium, and to fully exploit the art form, you need to fully exploit the interactivity.
        You're not even close to a game where your actions actually influence the overall story on a level better than a choose your own adventure book.
        The best we got so far is the sims of all things, but it's still painfully primitive, even by what you can actually attain with a pentium CPU.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Which choose your own adventure books are high art?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          how does simpsons have "choices that influence the story" lol
          >You're not even close to a game where your actions actually influence the overall story on a level better than a choose your own adventure book
          there are games like that, they are just extremely difficult and expensive to make. The Last Express, LSD dream emulator, Dwarf Fortress (or any kind of creative sim or open world) or even friggin Undertale are good examples.

          i am also not a fan of this notion that games need to 100% exploit interactivity.
          film doesn't exploit motion 100% of the time, it uses literary and painting techniques and combines them. games are not just a medium of interactivity, they are a combination of interactivity and a dozen other things like writing, painting, music etc, and video games have excelled at combining those to provide a full experience

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            *sims

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So just give up and keep up on the cave painting era, burning humongous amount of money and brain time on graphics instead, got it

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              did you read any of my post you glowing gay

              >Leonardo Da Vinci - Avg Value per artwork: 575 Million (6 works)
              >Pablo Picasso - Avg value per Artwork: 9.5 Million (13k works)
              >Michael Jackson - Avg value per Artwork: 6.66 Million (150 works)
              >Vincent Van Gogh - Avg value per Artwork: 5.0 Million (2k works)
              Games will never be this valuable in the future

              the video game industry is worth more than hollywood

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    some are like The Last Guardian and Death Stranding

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Games as a whole?
    No, lol
    SOME games?
    Sure!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      pic not related, cringe reddit humour

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I used to cut the covers off my old PC game boxes and hang them on my bedroom walls.
    Shit was pretty cash.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody cares about art now that it's all AI generated

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    name 1 video game that explores the human condition with the same level of depth seen in a Tolstoy novel

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dead Rising

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If games are art why do people dismiss objective criticism as an opinion? Do people think objectivity doesn't exist in a creative medium?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is the implication here that other art forms receive 'objective' criticism regularly? I feel like games criticism (which is woefully underdeveloped) only wrestles with this because games started off being reviewed as consumer products, forefronting value over other qualities.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Movies, art and music all receive objective reviews. If you're pretending professional critics don't exist for those mediums you're living under a rock. Videogames are the only medium that people use the argument "that's just your opinion, man"

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >If you're pretending professional critics don't exist for those mediums you're living under a rock.
          Yes, somehow I'm totally ignorant of every kind of criticism other than games criticism, I thought criticism was invented just for video games. Come on dude. I think we just have a different idea of what objective criticism is is all.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >moving the goalpost
            Stop being pendantic. Objective and professional are two different things you retard.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I never implied they were the same thing. You're either a bot, someone who doesn't read or write English regularly, or you're slow.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Woh did someone find the rumored "chud wall" where all the chud games go?

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Leonardo Da Vinci - Avg Value per artwork: 575 Million (6 works)
    >Pablo Picasso - Avg value per Artwork: 9.5 Million (13k works)
    >Michael Jackson - Avg value per Artwork: 6.66 Million (150 works)
    >Vincent Van Gogh - Avg value per Artwork: 5.0 Million (2k works)
    Games will never be this valuable in the future

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    art sucks cock in hell, artists are retards.
    video games are based.
    therefore games arent art unless they are lgbtq early access indie trash

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No they're not, and you're a gay if you think they are.
    The individual elements of music, design and modelling could be considered art, depending on the definition you apply, but vidya is just interactivity dressed up with other experiences.
    The arrangement of audiovisual experiences might be art, but holding forward so you can see them is practically identical to hitting play and letting them happen.
    Cause and effect from pressing a button is not set.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes

      you have no taste - being reductionist does not mean you have taste or can understand meaning
      reconsider your objectively terrible opinion or gb2 somethingawful to hang out with chuds that share your terrible opinion

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is nothing inherently artistic about interactivity.
        Actually, I take that back: Baba is You is the only game I can think of that gets creative with its interactivity. If that's the standard, then there is at least one vidya I would consider art.
        MGS2, for example, is not art, it's just an interesting story framed well.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >There is nothing inherently artistic about interactivity

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Correct.
            >you need to mechanically put a brush to canvas in order to create a painting, this is itself art
            No.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The act of creation and molding something in your image or thought is art, though. If you make something else out of something then you’ve made art. Doesn’t matter if there aren’t an infinite amount of possibilities.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is the act of creation art or the physical creation itself the art?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Both but i think you need consciousness to create art. This is why AI "art" isn't really art or it's only art insofar as there was a thinking mind (the programmer) that created a tool to facilitate an end.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >a sandwich is art
                no.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Food being art isn't controversial at all. it's called the culinary arts

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it's called the culinary arts
                I call it shit to be. which is quite similar to what subhumans try to sell lmao

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Please speak english

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I
                No one gives a shit about what a little gay like you thinks. It's a matter of fact.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sit down, reddit. Nobody asked your input.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But anon! Its usually called an art in the sense that is a discipline that requires effort, much like it requures effort to make a painting or composing a song (most of the time), not because it has intrisecally artistic virtues.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Every Ganker post is art then.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              All art requires some effort from the viewer to be enjoyed, with literature and architecture as the two closest examples to video games

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >All art requires some effort from the viewer to be enjoyed
                >watch a drawning standing
                >effort
                Do zoomers and artfags really?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Mental effort, yes

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's fancy wording for trying hard. If you have to straing yourself at appreciating any piece of art then the artist is not very good.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not implying you're straining yourself to enjoy art, just that it's not automatic and requires an effort on the viewers part to "consume", so to speak

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"games" are art

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Games are software, gay.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sculptures are rocks gay.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Correct.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >pic not related

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine talking about art on a videogame board that doesn't even know about videogames

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i feel like some games during the ps2 era were close enough to being art, but the trash that comes out today? hell no not even close to being shitty art

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >digital toy are le art

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >buy book full of video game pictures
    >literally called ART book
    Explain this Egbertfags

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Make way for REAL art, uncultured swines

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Those games are both beautiful works of art. Any definition of “art” that doesn’t include them is a definition that isn’t useful for me.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >In a medium where everything is John Wick, tlou part 2 is Schindler's List

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Cuckmann: Like Schindler's List... but with zombies!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      GTA IV is kino though

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why pseudo-intellectuals suck citizen kane's dick so much?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Iirc, because it was the OG serious film that told people that you could actually do serious things beyond comedy skits in movies.
        Its basically an important film for the history of cinemtagraphy

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          was metal gear solid the citizen kane of video games?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Citizen Kane came out in 1941. There was serious movies way before that

          But anon! Its usually called an art in the sense that is a discipline that requires effort, much like it requures effort to make a painting or composing a song (most of the time), not because it has intrisecally artistic virtues.

          >intrisecally artistic virtues.
          You can't use the word you're defining in the definition of the word

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Games are toys.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sure, but it takes craft to make a good toy

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There is a lot more behind a videogame than just gameplay nowadays. And even designing the perfect gameplay mechanics could be an art on itself. Reality is gonna keep hitting harder the brainlets who think videogames impact will not grow even larger in the next years.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Games have the capacity to be the new and peak gesamkuntswerk medium, but the lack of any clear motivation on part of developers attempting to make toys and the early adopted and extreme monopolization has gimped it intensely

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Remove TLou2 and that's a fine image.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everything is art
    What makes games so special

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Objectively, yeah. But art can be shit.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's such a shame that video games are capable of so much artistically and the examples they use to prove this point are these bland "cinematic" games.
    This will just make video games look even more immature in the eyes of scholars because it shows lack of confidence and more of just yearning for approval.
    >look guyz! we're making video games that feel like HBO shows!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It really is sad that video games can make you feel so many things though even accidental side effects of interactivity, but your avageage game maker and consumer doesn't even bother thinking that way. Like the old Resident Evils with the clunky tank controls weren't necessarily designed that way to enhance the horror aspects, but it worked out well especially in retrospect. Or like the way old games tended to have more easter eggs and funny things happen just because the developer understood that a player would try to do something and be amused when it was actually possible.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    writing code is art

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Movie games
    >Art

    You might as well be watching a real movie instead of playing one.

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