Mechanically it's improves on a lot of 3's stronger ideas and streamlines them well. Aeshetically, it's trying to be more fantasy and subdued, so I hope you like a bit more of a generic soundtrack and earth tones everywhere. The plot's is a bit more serious more often than BoF3's habit of leaning more light hearted for most of the game. What didn't you like about 3? I don't know if BoF4 fixes the elements you weren't enjoying.
I guess the combat, like for example the magic felt weak as well as my characters ? Also there was something that kept me for getting into the game, probably a lack of QOL that I took for granted.
I might retry 3 one day, it has been since november that I dropped it.
I'd say 4 will improve on that. For instance, you have all your characters available for any battle (three in front, the rest in the back row ala FFX), and you can switch in any at any moment you want. Examine is now mixed with Guard so you can learn skills without being a punching bag. There's a spell combo system where not only do attacks chain together for more hits, doing the right attacks in sequence turns them into new spells. Additionally, while not directly related to in-battle, the Master system is streamlined so learning skills isn't based on a restriction of X amount of Level Ups under their tutelage.
3's Master system. There's npcs you can encounter who basically you assign characters to, and they offer varying stat bonuses and penalties at level up. In BoF3 they also teach you skills, but only after so many level ups while assigned under them for each skill.
1 year ago
Anonymous
So you're telling me I pranked myself and missed content ?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Only if you like min-maxing and getting some skills and spells that make the game easier. D'lonzo, for instance, is a master you acquire after Momo joins the party and gives you the only other Steal ability beyond Rei's, and also increases Accuracy to the assigned character (which helps Momo out a bit). It's not really required for beating the game at all.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>he didn't play FahlGOD Peco
at least you can proudly say you played the game in a challenge mode state that is at least 2-3x harder than if you had used masters.
In comparison to 4, anyway. Besides, BoF3's levity is its strength. You need the jovial highs so it hurts harder when the game sucker punches you with more serious moments.
Absolutely. But there's plenty of hauntingly beautiful melodies in the game. The PS1 had the perfect mix of capacity, and restriction in it's sound chip so many Japanese composers really got to shine on it.
I guess the combat, like for example the magic felt weak as well as my characters ? Also there was something that kept me for getting into the game, probably a lack of QOL that I took for granted.
I might retry 3 one day, it has been since november that I dropped it.
NTA but I am fond of 4 and have played through it 2-3 times in my life, I've tried to play 3 multiple times and never get more than a 5-6 hours in. 4 is super charming and looks fantastic, the only think I like more about 3 is the dragon transformation system
I never finished 4. There really is no plot for the first 20 hours and at some point even the characters acknowledge that they have no idea what they're doing and why. "I know let's just go to the Empire and to reunite Ryu with Fou Lu because... maybe something will happen? Maybe?". It's kind of a chore.
I don't like 3 either. 4 is the best one in the series and genuinely a good time.
I would say it's the only good BoF but i don't want to conjure the wrath of BoF fans cuz i just don't have the time to reply rn.
>Were people simply not ready for roguelikes back then?
>first 4 games are high fantasy with a hint of scifi (like all good fantasy) >dragon quarter is hard dystopian 2000s scifi >game actively punishes you for using its main gimmick (u can be dragons!111) >lmao timer forces you to play fast and loose, missing the fun stuff and interesting lore the game is known for
forcing your players to not play your game so that they can do newgame+ to find the stuff you made them miss is not fun for the people who just wanted to play a nice turn based 4 waifus in a row game.
I would just accept a collection of all the games at this stage. Capcom will do it for all their other series, so it would be nice if they could stop pretending this one doesn’t exist.
I guess the Yorae Dragon has to be absolute, but if there was ever a moment to use the "every rule has an exception" it was that. Hence why I'm always tempted to go for the "bad ending"...
But really, he goes on the say he can make many gods to use, so we could totally get a continuation with he doing just that.
. . . Although Ryu wouldn't have the dragon powers anymore, so it wouldn't *really* be BoF anymore would it?
Also, (the previous post is mostly to bump) I have yet to play DQ, which probably is far in the future, but something I can point out now is:
One of the things that makes BoF4 one of my favorite games of all time, is the aesthetics, to which, considering screenshots I saw of DQ, it seems to be so, so very different... I'm not against DQ itself since I never played it, but having a sequel that takes it into consideration, would it really be possible to make something with similar aesthetics to 4? Because that's a must have for me.
Besides, is there anything in DQ that could indicate it's a sequel to 4? (instead of a standalone game)
The space station would've suffered for it if he had stayed. It also would've been weird to have this in depth dragon form system for Ryu and Teepo doesn't get it either.
It's kind neat to see Breath of Fire 3 as one of those games where the developers were just eager to show whatever they could, even if when you compare things to the final game you see all the differences come out.
>save tokens, limited saves >limited enemies >resource management
Dragon Quarter is basically survival RPG. BoF3 is still the best for me, but this could be because nostalgia. DQ is great.
>save tokens, limited saves >limited enemies >resource management
Dragon Quarter is basically survival RPG. BoF3 is still the best for me, but this could be because nostalgia. DQ is great.
I knew someone would mention D-Counter. I reckon at the very least: When you beat the game, you choose whether or not you want it. But D-Counter is literally the second biggest feature that is justified by the entire premise of the story. You get a power so great, the more you abuse it, the closer you get to being torn apart from Odjin himself.
It's not.
As one anon said, yes, using dragon form speeds up the whole process, but that's because dragon form is OP as frick and you need to use it as a last resort.
Give it a chance, play for an hour or two and see if it's for you. Don't be intimidated by posts on the internet.
giving it only an hour or two of a chance is not gonna persuade anyone. you need to give DQ about 5 hours, it reminds me a lot of dragon's dogma in that way, the start is painfully slow.
I meant that because DQ is basically a dungeon crawler. I have a feeling that if a person doesn't like that concept from the start, he or she will not change his/hers opinion later.
DQ is a very different BoF game. People either love it or hate it. I love it. >i-it killed the series
That won't change my opinion.
dragons dogma was a positive example though, once you get past the barrier of entry it turns into a very good game.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>once you get past the barrier of entry it turns into a very good game.
and that is what DQ lacks, the "very good game" aspect
1 year ago
Anonymous
well, yeah it will never be VERY good, but it can at least be a little good if you play it in the right mindset. I wasn't able to do so in my recent attempt to play, like I said it just felt clunky, but I remember really enjoying it a lot when it came out.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>but it can at least be a little good if you play it in the right mindset.
or use emulator cheats to disable the D Counter
1 year ago
Anonymous
That kills the whole experience.
1 year ago
Anonymous
so does the D Counter
1 year ago
Anonymous
I think disabling the overworld dash eating dcounter would be enough to make the game a lot more fun, but disabling dragon form dcounter is way too overpowered, you can literally do infinite damage with the breath attack.
It's artificial in the sense that its on screen, pressuring you to use it all the time. You will never hit cap walking around or taking turns in combat.
If you play it here are some tips to make your life easier:
>Clear every monster out of every room on your first run.
>Open all treasure chests. Learn the moves. Nina must have l2 lightning for any run to be good. Her trap spells, especially freeze can help you control the battlefield and make things much easier.
>Split up mobs with meat traps and learn their HP values. Take on smaller, weaker enemies in large groups for EXP bonuses. Push your luck with this the higher up you go.
>2 D-charges and a twister will kill almost any boss/enemy. That's like 8% on your D-counter. Do not end turns in dragon form or you'll increase the counter.
That's it. You're now a pro at the game if you follow those tips. 2nd runs and on get easier as you get access to equips and areas only available then. Cutscenes and more story are revealed on subsequent playthroughs but I think it caps at like 3 runs iirc. The game can be beaten in 6-8 hours.
>Like Suikoden, Wild ARMs, and Shadow Hearts are already going to get theirs.
Ikehara and Kawano are still at Capcom doing nothing. Every single dev you mentioned there at least had the original creators and staff working on these games.
reminder that just recently a BoFIV romhack was released that uncensored several scenes and added several JP exclusive things back in. Everyone who thinks Yuna is an Aizen tier villain needs to replay the original scenes, in the space of 5 seconds his characterization in the ending goes from invincible "just as planned" bastard into little b***h who pissed himself and ran from the god he made angry.
remember "DQ was a good game but not a good BoF game"? I recently replayed DQ, I enjoyed it a lot in the 00s when it came out but holy frick it has aged probably the worst of any game I've ever replayed. clunky in all ways, all the worst parts of the roguelike genre, very uncanny character models and the characters themselves are mostly unlikeable, etc. I can't believe I did a no SOL reset run of this shit before, no wonder I had depression in my teens.
nearly everyone has 1-2 of the 4 not click but they love the others. for me it's 2, even the fan tl of 2, I just can't enjoy 2, I've played it up to the monkey guy's castle like 4 times and I always just fricking quit right there, I've only beaten it fully once and it was a very unpleasant experience. meanwhile I consider 1 to be one of the best 2D RPGs ever made.
That does seem to be the case
I've seen similar posts about 3, where people just can't make it through the kid-ryu phase
I can't blame them either because 3 is full of some of the most nightmarish and cruel forced minigames in JRPG history
I beat it twice, once on no SOL no infinite fairy mat abuse, which is literally hundreds of times harder than a normal playthrough
it's not a good game.
sure thing tough guy, the dcounter management alone cost me several thousand reloads to save a few 0.x% per fight, and I still went into the final boss with 94.7%
it was probably the most difficult challenge run of any roguelike I've ever played, and I've played quite a lot of them.
It's artificial in the sense that its on screen, pressuring you to use it all the time. You will never hit cap walking around or taking turns in combat.
If you play it here are some tips to make your life easier:
>Clear every monster out of every room on your first run.
>Open all treasure chests. Learn the moves. Nina must have l2 lightning for any run to be good. Her trap spells, especially freeze can help you control the battlefield and make things much easier.
>Split up mobs with meat traps and learn their HP values. Take on smaller, weaker enemies in large groups for EXP bonuses. Push your luck with this the higher up you go.
>2 D-charges and a twister will kill almost any boss/enemy. That's like 8% on your D-counter. Do not end turns in dragon form or you'll increase the counter.
That's it. You're now a pro at the game if you follow those tips. 2nd runs and on get easier as you get access to equips and areas only available then. Cutscenes and more story are revealed on subsequent playthroughs but I think it caps at like 3 runs iirc. The game can be beaten in 6-8 hours.
I tried replaying last year and holy shit it was boring, slow, and clunky with a horrible tacked on storyline that you only even get to see most of when you are on your 100th SOL reset. YOU need to replay it in current year.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I used to finish the game yearly. There's a lot of nostalgia goggles involved in why I love it so much.
>Rival friendship >Underdog story >Lore and hierarchy subversion >Crapsack world that only gets worse the more you learn about it >Unique survival RPG style that makes you feel like you're fighting for your life every encounter. >Dragons >Lin
the game is not all that hard if you use the SOL reset system as intended, you will get filtered as you go up at various places and reset then easily get through it on the next time, the only part that could potentially take multiple resets to beat is the palace area boss rush because you can easily run out of dcounter there.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You can forego using SOL reset entirely by killing almost every monster as you climb, but it makes the game 15-20 hours your first run. the XP system gets you to like level 30-40 which allows you to stand against the regents with the right skills acquired.
The hard part is figuring out how to use your skills to break their dumb barriers, and some of those fights are longer than others due to their mechanics. If you can kill your first 2-3 without D-diving and have under 60% counter you've basically won.
iirc lin's "Shatter!" and ryu saving AP to max for comboing really make things managable along with items like 7th sense and the like.
1 year ago
Anonymous
you can't expect someone to know all of those things in a blind playthrough, and reading a guide on your first time playing a game is cringe.
1 year ago
Anonymous
That's part of the fun. The only thing someone really needs to understand their first run is how traps work. Back when game manuals were a thing it hammered home on those and the SOL system, but the focus should have been more on how XP works.
A little experimentation goes a long way though. Knowledge of skills acquired from chests also takes some time, but the game never leaves you in the lurch with what you might need.
1 year ago
Anonymous
you can't expect someone to know all of those things in a blind playthrough, and reading a guide on your first time playing a game is cringe.
>Were people simply not ready for roguelikes back then?
>first 4 games are high fantasy with a hint of scifi (like all good fantasy) >dragon quarter is hard dystopian 2000s scifi >game actively punishes you for using its main gimmick (u can be dragons!111) >lmao timer forces you to play fast and loose, missing the fun stuff and interesting lore the game is known for
forcing your players to not play your game so that they can do newgame+ to find the stuff you made them miss is not fun for the people who just wanted to play a nice turn based 4 waifus in a row game.
Your issues with the game seem to revolve around you sucking dick. On my first fully blind playthrough (without using SOL Restore at all), I game over'd during the final fight, and that was with me making heavy use of D-Drive as a crutch for dumb decisions. On my second playthrough I easily cleared the game in one shot with my counter at about 70% by the end. You don't need to use D-Drive for every boss, most of them can be beaten without it using proper strategy and understanding of the combat system. Also, calling the D-Counter a "timer" is moronic - in a completionist playthrough you will only gain like 15% by walking and passing turns in battle, it's nothing.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Once you realize you can one shot bosses by charging twice and using your strongest attack the whole D-Drive thing isn't really an issue anymore. I think each of these actions costs like 7-8%?
1 year ago
Anonymous
7-8% total*
1 year ago
Anonymous
Just looked it up
1% for transforming
2% for each "D-Charge"
Vortex costs 1%, Hurricane costs 1.25% per enemy hit, Twister costs 1.5%
I can't remember if it was Twister or Hurricane I used.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>people complain about the bad mechanics >trolls go "LOL FILTERED"
every fricking DQ thread
1 year ago
Anonymous
I did a run where I got the lowest possible % d counter I could get so in the final battle I could start the kamehameha at 12-15ish%.
>people complain about the bad mechanics >trolls go "LOL FILTERED"
every fricking DQ thread
Yes it was a game in which you needed to git gud in a time before you could mock people for being shitters on a large scale. Was it hard? Yes, but there were game mechanics you could exploit to make it easier. My real big complaint about it is the fact that if you want to enjoy the story, you essentially had to play the game 3 or 4 times. Granted each play through is only 8-10 hours.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I kinda miss that era of PS2/GCN experimental "toss anything at the wall" game design, but at the same time it sure led to a lot of games I never had a drive to play in the first place.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I recently got back into emulation after about a decade, TONS of good PS2 undubs have been released in that time, I snagged rogue galaxy, radiata stories, suikoden 5, tales of abyss, and growlanser 5 (and 6 TL is apparently almost done too)
gonna be having some fun, I've played most of these in EN but the JP experience is always worth doing for another playthrough.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>but there were game mechanics you could exploit to make it easier.
but in turn speed up the game over counter.
it's "between a rock and a hard place"
1 year ago
Anonymous
>but in turn speed up the game over counter.
You can use SOL Restore to quickly grind huge amounts of XP without permanently increasing the D-Counter. Your problem is that you didn't learn to play.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not just figuring out how to grind. You can trap/bait and turn every non boss fight into a 1 turn battle. Once you learn transfer on nina you can end boss battles in one turn even without transforming. Using nina's traps+ HORA HORA to pull enemies into them. Which is really good on what's her name fight that filters everyone.
I noticed romhacking.net had translation hacks for it and BoF1. How are the translations overall? I mean I know in BoF2's case any direction you can go is up, but still...
Never played the fanTL I think they change around some music and other stuff though I'm not sure. Either way the SNES version is the way to go, fan translation or not
GBA is more casual friendly with a better tl (still not good), but SNES is the definitive experience if you want to play the game as it was intended, the GBA versions double money and exp gain rates and half encounter rates and make certain monsters much easier, it is not the real experience at all.
No shit. Saying to play the GBA port of anything is like saying the best way to watch a movie is a vhs recording of a pan and scan edit off broadcast tv.
>Crapcom
They're just gonna frick it up and make it pozzed
No, considering this is a niche property they'd just turn it into a gacha that would go under in 90 days.
They already did that.
>He doesn't know
Bruh
they already did. never left Japan
at long as it's like any BoF game that isn't that DQ abomination
>No, considering this is a niche property they'd just turn it into a gacha that would go under in 90 days.
Guess what BoF6 was
>they'd just turn it into a gacha that would go under in 90 days
anon...
You have no idea how right you were.
we don't talk about that here
Weird, you link is blank, there's an empty page.
Why is that?
Is it called Monster Hunter? If so it won't sell.
If your Breath of Fire waifu didn't appear in multiple games in the series she's SHIT.
I don't like BoF3, is BoF4 better ?
Mechanically it's improves on a lot of 3's stronger ideas and streamlines them well. Aeshetically, it's trying to be more fantasy and subdued, so I hope you like a bit more of a generic soundtrack and earth tones everywhere. The plot's is a bit more serious more often than BoF3's habit of leaning more light hearted for most of the game. What didn't you like about 3? I don't know if BoF4 fixes the elements you weren't enjoying.
I guess the combat, like for example the magic felt weak as well as my characters ? Also there was something that kept me for getting into the game, probably a lack of QOL that I took for granted.
I might retry 3 one day, it has been since november that I dropped it.
I'd say 4 will improve on that. For instance, you have all your characters available for any battle (three in front, the rest in the back row ala FFX), and you can switch in any at any moment you want. Examine is now mixed with Guard so you can learn skills without being a punching bag. There's a spell combo system where not only do attacks chain together for more hits, doing the right attacks in sequence turns them into new spells. Additionally, while not directly related to in-battle, the Master system is streamlined so learning skills isn't based on a restriction of X amount of Level Ups under their tutelage.
>Master system
Huh ?
3's Master system. There's npcs you can encounter who basically you assign characters to, and they offer varying stat bonuses and penalties at level up. In BoF3 they also teach you skills, but only after so many level ups while assigned under them for each skill.
So you're telling me I pranked myself and missed content ?
Only if you like min-maxing and getting some skills and spells that make the game easier. D'lonzo, for instance, is a master you acquire after Momo joins the party and gives you the only other Steal ability beyond Rei's, and also increases Accuracy to the assigned character (which helps Momo out a bit). It's not really required for beating the game at all.
>he didn't play FahlGOD Peco
at least you can proudly say you played the game in a challenge mode state that is at least 2-3x harder than if you had used masters.
>lookingood.jpg
BoF3
Lighthearted
homie what
You even play the same game as me?
In comparison to 4, anyway. Besides, BoF3's levity is its strength. You need the jovial highs so it hurts harder when the game sucker punches you with more serious moments.
Breath of Fire 4's soundtrack is god-tier,. dude. what the frick are you on?
for me, it's raging emperor's banquet, but ALL of the Fou-Lu side tracks are absolute 10/10s
Absolutely. But there's plenty of hauntingly beautiful melodies in the game. The PS1 had the perfect mix of capacity, and restriction in it's sound chip so many Japanese composers really got to shine on it.
NTA but I am fond of 4 and have played through it 2-3 times in my life, I've tried to play 3 multiple times and never get more than a 5-6 hours in. 4 is super charming and looks fantastic, the only think I like more about 3 is the dragon transformation system
I never finished 4. There really is no plot for the first 20 hours and at some point even the characters acknowledge that they have no idea what they're doing and why. "I know let's just go to the Empire and to reunite Ryu with Fou Lu because... maybe something will happen? Maybe?". It's kind of a chore.
I don't like 3 either. 4 is the best one in the series and genuinely a good time.
I would say it's the only good BoF but i don't want to conjure the wrath of BoF fans cuz i just don't have the time to reply rn.
Better opinion than saying "dragon quarter is the best one".
I liked BoF3 and 4 both
Actually yes.
BoF2 > BoF4 > BoF3 > BoF1
Also if you like fishing BoF4 have the best fishing game ever made integrated.
They included BoF3 in their mobile card game, so they will MAYBE give it a chance someday.
Yes this song is actually Breath of Fire related.
Do Capcom even make non-AAA games nowadays?
I keep replaying BoF3 and keep remembering how many mandatory mini games there are.
You now remember the vinegar Mini game
No, you can’t make me. It couldn’t have been worse than training that wimp, could it?
Pulling the bucket out of the well, and dragging trash onto the beach says hi.
>everyone hated Dragon Quarter when it came out
Were people simply not ready for roguelikes back then?
Shouldn’t have tried to latch itself unto BoF franchise then. It had nothing to do with them.
Literally killed the series, until they put the final nail on the coffin with bof6
>Were people simply not ready for roguelikes back then?
>first 4 games are high fantasy with a hint of scifi (like all good fantasy)
>dragon quarter is hard dystopian 2000s scifi
>game actively punishes you for using its main gimmick (u can be dragons!111)
>lmao timer forces you to play fast and loose, missing the fun stuff and interesting lore the game is known for
forcing your players to not play your game so that they can do newgame+ to find the stuff you made them miss is not fun for the people who just wanted to play a nice turn based 4 waifus in a row game.
I would just accept a collection of all the games at this stage. Capcom will do it for all their other series, so it would be nice if they could stop pretending this one doesn’t exist.
still locked in the capcom basement
I really would like to see a modern Capcom's take on a Breath of Fire game, mostly out of morbid curiosity
I just want to kill Yuna, is that too much to ask?
Give me Breath of Fire IV-2: Electric Boogaloo, featuring Blond Ryu.
That was really a motherfricker of an ending.
I completely understand Anon but that's what makes the ending work. By sparing humanity you spare everyone and that has to include the bad ones.
I guess the Yorae Dragon has to be absolute, but if there was ever a moment to use the "every rule has an exception" it was that. Hence why I'm always tempted to go for the "bad ending"...
But really, he goes on the say he can make many gods to use, so we could totally get a continuation with he doing just that.
. . . Although Ryu wouldn't have the dragon powers anymore, so it wouldn't *really* be BoF anymore would it?
This cover art looks so sus.
I have no idea of what you're talking about.
It looks a bit like a doujin cover to me. Something about the faces I guess.
You need to lay off the porn, anon. You're suffering for stage 1 mindrot
Trust me I'm trying.
What
said.
Anyways, it's basically a retelling of the game, although quite compressed, it's 5 volumes, 27 chapters, highly recommended.
How about 4 bad ending > Dragon Quarter > New game
Isn't there no mortals after BoF4 Bad Ending?
Also, (the previous post is mostly to bump) I have yet to play DQ, which probably is far in the future, but something I can point out now is:
One of the things that makes BoF4 one of my favorite games of all time, is the aesthetics, to which, considering screenshots I saw of DQ, it seems to be so, so very different... I'm not against DQ itself since I never played it, but having a sequel that takes it into consideration, would it really be possible to make something with similar aesthetics to 4? Because that's a must have for me.
Besides, is there anything in DQ that could indicate it's a sequel to 4? (instead of a standalone game)
DQ is not a sequel, but I think it can be retconned as one. Just say the D construct are Yuna's creation based on the endless.
Teepo was around a while in the beta BoF 3, huh
I wish he stayed.
I think, Adult Teepo in ryu's dream ,at the beginning, was meant to be someone else but it was later changed? But i don't know
The space station would've suffered for it if he had stayed. It also would've been weird to have this in depth dragon form system for Ryu and Teepo doesn't get it either.
It's kind neat to see Breath of Fire 3 as one of those games where the developers were just eager to show whatever they could, even if when you compare things to the final game you see all the differences come out.
Oh hey, early design Ryu, Teepo and Rei menu portraits.
Man, Gamefan was the only magazine I ever gave a shit about.
I liked Dragon Quarter and I don't give a frick. BoFV----Everything else, one of my favorite JRPG's on the PS2.
>save tokens, limited saves
>limited enemies
>resource management
Dragon Quarter is basically survival RPG. BoF3 is still the best for me, but this could be because nostalgia. DQ is great.
dragon quarter is what killed the series.
I'm pretty sure there's BoF6
That was an attempt to revive it
Shut your prostitute mouth
This. DQ for me is still my favorite rpg of all time, it just needs a few tiny QoL adjustments and it is a near perfect game.
>, it just needs a few tiny QoL adjustments
like removing the D Counter
I knew someone would mention D-Counter. I reckon at the very least: When you beat the game, you choose whether or not you want it. But D-Counter is literally the second biggest feature that is justified by the entire premise of the story. You get a power so great, the more you abuse it, the closer you get to being torn apart from Odjin himself.
it feels badly implemented
The wgole concept of having only one dragon form, but its OP is tempting. Is the time limit annoying ?
>Is the time limit annoying ?
yes because using the dragon stuff speeds up the counter and the only way to reset it is to start all over from the beginning.
It's not.
As one anon said, yes, using dragon form speeds up the whole process, but that's because dragon form is OP as frick and you need to use it as a last resort.
Give it a chance, play for an hour or two and see if it's for you. Don't be intimidated by posts on the internet.
giving it only an hour or two of a chance is not gonna persuade anyone. you need to give DQ about 5 hours, it reminds me a lot of dragon's dogma in that way, the start is painfully slow.
I meant that because DQ is basically a dungeon crawler. I have a feeling that if a person doesn't like that concept from the start, he or she will not change his/hers opinion later.
DQ is a very different BoF game. People either love it or hate it. I love it.
>i-it killed the series
That won't change my opinion.
dragons dogma was a positive example though, once you get past the barrier of entry it turns into a very good game.
>once you get past the barrier of entry it turns into a very good game.
and that is what DQ lacks, the "very good game" aspect
well, yeah it will never be VERY good, but it can at least be a little good if you play it in the right mindset. I wasn't able to do so in my recent attempt to play, like I said it just felt clunky, but I remember really enjoying it a lot when it came out.
>but it can at least be a little good if you play it in the right mindset.
or use emulator cheats to disable the D Counter
That kills the whole experience.
so does the D Counter
I think disabling the overworld dash eating dcounter would be enough to make the game a lot more fun, but disabling dragon form dcounter is way too overpowered, you can literally do infinite damage with the breath attack.
It's artificial in the sense that its on screen, pressuring you to use it all the time. You will never hit cap walking around or taking turns in combat.
If you play it here are some tips to make your life easier:
>Clear every monster out of every room on your first run.
>Open all treasure chests. Learn the moves. Nina must have l2 lightning for any run to be good. Her trap spells, especially freeze can help you control the battlefield and make things much easier.
>Split up mobs with meat traps and learn their HP values. Take on smaller, weaker enemies in large groups for EXP bonuses. Push your luck with this the higher up you go.
>2 D-charges and a twister will kill almost any boss/enemy. That's like 8% on your D-counter. Do not end turns in dragon form or you'll increase the counter.
That's it. You're now a pro at the game if you follow those tips. 2nd runs and on get easier as you get access to equips and areas only available then. Cutscenes and more story are revealed on subsequent playthroughs but I think it caps at like 3 runs iirc. The game can be beaten in 6-8 hours.
DQ was amazing and the only people who claimed it was bad were shitters who got filtered hard.
Give it few more years, someone is bound to make a spiritual successor. Like Suikoden, Wild ARMs, and Shadow Hearts are already going to get theirs.
>Like Suikoden, Wild ARMs, and Shadow Hearts are already going to get theirs.
Ikehara and Kawano are still at Capcom doing nothing. Every single dev you mentioned there at least had the original creators and staff working on these games.
>Ikehara and Kawano are still at Capcom doing nothing
They pissing codes ?
>Ikehara and Kawano are still at Capcom doing nothing.
Why is every senior dev doing nothing?
IT'S NOT FAIR
HOW COME THEY GET A SPIRITUAL SUCCESSOR
Looks beautiful. But I'm worried about a possible open world.
4>3>2>1>shit>DQ
reminder that just recently a BoFIV romhack was released that uncensored several scenes and added several JP exclusive things back in. Everyone who thinks Yuna is an Aizen tier villain needs to replay the original scenes, in the space of 5 seconds his characterization in the ending goes from invincible "just as planned" bastard into little b***h who pissed himself and ran from the god he made angry.
>into little b***h who pissed himself and ran from the god he made angry.
That's how i saw him. A little weasel who always ran away
remember "DQ was a good game but not a good BoF game"? I recently replayed DQ, I enjoyed it a lot in the 00s when it came out but holy frick it has aged probably the worst of any game I've ever replayed. clunky in all ways, all the worst parts of the roguelike genre, very uncanny character models and the characters themselves are mostly unlikeable, etc. I can't believe I did a no SOL reset run of this shit before, no wonder I had depression in my teens.
BoF 1, 2, and 3 are some of my favorite games of all time
yet for some reason I have tried several times to get into 4 and it just never clicks
nearly everyone has 1-2 of the 4 not click but they love the others. for me it's 2, even the fan tl of 2, I just can't enjoy 2, I've played it up to the monkey guy's castle like 4 times and I always just fricking quit right there, I've only beaten it fully once and it was a very unpleasant experience. meanwhile I consider 1 to be one of the best 2D RPGs ever made.
That does seem to be the case
I've seen similar posts about 3, where people just can't make it through the kid-ryu phase
I can't blame them either because 3 is full of some of the most nightmarish and cruel forced minigames in JRPG history
Xenogears.
Didn't even get the chance to be properly finished.
>2023
>people are still getting filtered by Dragon Quarter
Pathetic lmao
I beat it twice, once on no SOL no infinite fairy mat abuse, which is literally hundreds of times harder than a normal playthrough
it's not a good game.
>no SOL no infinite fairy mat abuse
This is just a normal playthrough of the game, the fact that you found it hard makes you a total moron
Filtered
sure thing tough guy, the dcounter management alone cost me several thousand reloads to save a few 0.x% per fight, and I still went into the final boss with 94.7%
it was probably the most difficult challenge run of any roguelike I've ever played, and I've played quite a lot of them.
Give it another try anon. See
I tried replaying last year and holy shit it was boring, slow, and clunky with a horrible tacked on storyline that you only even get to see most of when you are on your 100th SOL reset. YOU need to replay it in current year.
I used to finish the game yearly. There's a lot of nostalgia goggles involved in why I love it so much.
>Rival friendship
>Underdog story
>Lore and hierarchy subversion
>Crapsack world that only gets worse the more you learn about it
>Unique survival RPG style that makes you feel like you're fighting for your life every encounter.
>Dragons
>Lin
the game is not all that hard if you use the SOL reset system as intended, you will get filtered as you go up at various places and reset then easily get through it on the next time, the only part that could potentially take multiple resets to beat is the palace area boss rush because you can easily run out of dcounter there.
You can forego using SOL reset entirely by killing almost every monster as you climb, but it makes the game 15-20 hours your first run. the XP system gets you to like level 30-40 which allows you to stand against the regents with the right skills acquired.
The hard part is figuring out how to use your skills to break their dumb barriers, and some of those fights are longer than others due to their mechanics. If you can kill your first 2-3 without D-diving and have under 60% counter you've basically won.
iirc lin's "Shatter!" and ryu saving AP to max for comboing really make things managable along with items like 7th sense and the like.
you can't expect someone to know all of those things in a blind playthrough, and reading a guide on your first time playing a game is cringe.
That's part of the fun. The only thing someone really needs to understand their first run is how traps work. Back when game manuals were a thing it hammered home on those and the SOL system, but the focus should have been more on how XP works.
A little experimentation goes a long way though. Knowledge of skills acquired from chests also takes some time, but the game never leaves you in the lurch with what you might need.
Your issues with the game seem to revolve around you sucking dick. On my first fully blind playthrough (without using SOL Restore at all), I game over'd during the final fight, and that was with me making heavy use of D-Drive as a crutch for dumb decisions. On my second playthrough I easily cleared the game in one shot with my counter at about 70% by the end. You don't need to use D-Drive for every boss, most of them can be beaten without it using proper strategy and understanding of the combat system. Also, calling the D-Counter a "timer" is moronic - in a completionist playthrough you will only gain like 15% by walking and passing turns in battle, it's nothing.
Once you realize you can one shot bosses by charging twice and using your strongest attack the whole D-Drive thing isn't really an issue anymore. I think each of these actions costs like 7-8%?
7-8% total*
Just looked it up
1% for transforming
2% for each "D-Charge"
Vortex costs 1%, Hurricane costs 1.25% per enemy hit, Twister costs 1.5%
I can't remember if it was Twister or Hurricane I used.
>people complain about the bad mechanics
>trolls go "LOL FILTERED"
every fricking DQ thread
I did a run where I got the lowest possible % d counter I could get so in the final battle I could start the kamehameha at 12-15ish%.
Yes it was a game in which you needed to git gud in a time before you could mock people for being shitters on a large scale. Was it hard? Yes, but there were game mechanics you could exploit to make it easier. My real big complaint about it is the fact that if you want to enjoy the story, you essentially had to play the game 3 or 4 times. Granted each play through is only 8-10 hours.
I kinda miss that era of PS2/GCN experimental "toss anything at the wall" game design, but at the same time it sure led to a lot of games I never had a drive to play in the first place.
I recently got back into emulation after about a decade, TONS of good PS2 undubs have been released in that time, I snagged rogue galaxy, radiata stories, suikoden 5, tales of abyss, and growlanser 5 (and 6 TL is apparently almost done too)
gonna be having some fun, I've played most of these in EN but the JP experience is always worth doing for another playthrough.
>but there were game mechanics you could exploit to make it easier.
but in turn speed up the game over counter.
it's "between a rock and a hard place"
>but in turn speed up the game over counter.
You can use SOL Restore to quickly grind huge amounts of XP without permanently increasing the D-Counter. Your problem is that you didn't learn to play.
Not just figuring out how to grind. You can trap/bait and turn every non boss fight into a 1 turn battle. Once you learn transfer on nina you can end boss battles in one turn even without transforming. Using nina's traps+ HORA HORA to pull enemies into them. Which is really good on what's her name fight that filters everyone.
Wow, the sword has reasonable proportions
didn't realize hating bad game design is "filtered"
>more sequel and franchise please
Stop.
Just fricking stop.
Is the BoF3 PSP release better or worse?
It seems to be the same as the PSX ver from start to finish, give or take a few minor localization fixes.
it has some minor differences, but you can play either one
you can also play the original on psp
It's basically the exact same thing but they legally had to scrub all of Stallion's Ultraman references away.
This series is as good as dead. The fact that Capcom lets it be played on the virtual console is proof enough of that.
I keep seeing this game. Is it actually good? Will I like it if I enjoyed XC1 and BoF:DQ?
Breath of Fire 2 is the definition of kino newbies will never get to experience
worst game even including fan tl
and that's including DQ
I noticed romhacking.net had translation hacks for it and BoF1. How are the translations overall? I mean I know in BoF2's case any direction you can go is up, but still...
fan tl is substantially substantially better than official tl
still not a good game though
Never played the fanTL I think they change around some music and other stuff though I'm not sure. Either way the SNES version is the way to go, fan translation or not
GBA is more casual friendly with a better tl (still not good), but SNES is the definitive experience if you want to play the game as it was intended, the GBA versions double money and exp gain rates and half encounter rates and make certain monsters much easier, it is not the real experience at all.
No shit. Saying to play the GBA port of anything is like saying the best way to watch a movie is a vhs recording of a pan and scan edit off broadcast tv.
Happy year of the rabbit.