>Games Workshop kill off Warhammer Fantasy. >It becomes more popular than it ever was due to videogames

cuz fantasy is good for starters

>what is vermintide

No it won't.

>rogue trader
Space marine 2*

>muh deep tolkien
They're literal childrens books you gay

Warhammer is pulp fantasy whereas Tolkien's works actually hold literary merit, I know, and I don't care.

I don't get what you mean
Warhammer brings in a fuckton of normies because every single book has a youtube video essay summary for bored zoomzooms and millennials. Other dark fantasy and sci-fi series remain obscure because they don't have that kind of mass shilling operation on the internet. But Tolkien isn't obscure at all. Its arguably twice as normie as warhammer.

As someone who likes both LOTR and Warhammer I agree with this. Warhammer offers quick spectacle and large monsters dunkslamming each other, which leaves LOTR much room to focus on all the small nuances in their shadows.
And at the end of the day, both are cool.

>I like it because it protects Tolkien's work from people who don't understand Tolkien's work
I IMMEDIATLY thought of sexy Shelob from the Shadow of War game when I read this

It's not our fault the last two editions and The End Times sucked

I know Chaos is overrepresented, same as Imperium, but I wish we had a quality 40k rpg where falling was an option.

>because the writers are retards
It was an executive decision. The writers had to make shit up as they went along because the people in charge were retards deepthroating shareholders.

It's because there's shithead tournament organizers who insist on 2000 point tournies because god forbid your army doesn't have every single angle covered, and they have the ear of GW.

It got to the point they shrank table sizes in 9th ed. 40k to postage stamps because tourneyfags wanted to fit more people in a convention hall without hiring extra rooms. Every single person on the Warhammer Competive subreddit agrees the game plays better at 1000 or 1500 on the new "standard" tables but they stick with 2000 because "It's the official format."

>talent
>Pirinen

Mordheim was the worst rules as written published by GW until Necromunda 2017, and required knowledge of Necromunda and 2nd edition 40k to patch holes in the rules.

Though I guess your point still stands since Hewitt was responsible for Nucromunda.

*It ain't me plays in the distance*

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Vermintide.

Clearly not a player or collector, they are printing money with AoS smaller armies which Old World is copying. People are going to buy new, fancy, shiny Empire models in droves.

>Secondary
The lore for both Warhammers is vastly more interesting then experiencing the boardgame and the videogames are more enjoyable then playing with overpriced toy soldiers. Respect the painting though.

>Fantasy requires a hundred old ugly models that haven't been updated in several decades
>AOS comes out with shiny new updated models, more streamlined rules
>people buy aos stuff
>they must just prefer the setting!!!
No, they butchered the old world.

The model on the right is a fantasy model you retarded secondary.

Not only did I play Mark of Chaos, I also played Battle March, have 150 hours in TWW1, own 1500 points of WoC, and another 1500 points of O&G. You're a secondary, and TWW is soulless slop made for people like you.

>just remove all the 40k from 40k, that's how you make 40k!
Retarded secondary.

>secondary secondary secondary
have a nice day you cringy gay.

>tabletop retard wanders off his containment board
This is the videogame board you stupid fuck, it's in SPITE of tabletop mongoloids that warhammer settings can be better explored and utilized and not just make overpriced products for a handful of paypigs that only care about small parts of the settings.
Tabletop rules and numbers are not THE lore canon btw.

He's being saved for Total War: Endtimes.

Those bastards at Sabre need to stop gushing about how they're totally huge 40k fans and showcase some goddamn gameplay.

I fucking love the Tomb Kangz

it's not autistic like HOI at all
it's pretty straight forward, you build armies then use those armies to kill enemies
you build settlements to make income and draft more peasants for the army, it's the same old total war gameplay

Total war is total war, but total war warhammer is like heroes of might and magic or disciples with total war gameplay.
It's not even close to being autistic as hoi4.
Just pirate tww2 or try tww3 in gamepass and then decide if you want to buy it in steam.

>Would it be good for the hobby if there was a straight up 40k/Kill Team/AoS/Fantasy Battle vidya adaptations?
I'm fine with that as long as they stop making Space Hulk games. How many are there already? 6?

On tabletop these games have X-COM levels of RNG swings and it's tolerable there because players can lean on the narrative power fantasy shit Warhammer is full of. Most games are played only to serve as a palette for the imagination of what's really going on in the battle.

The blackpill of Warhammer is when you remove the human interaction on live play and dramatic RNG moments, painting and building, what's underneath is a very subpar game. The strategy isn't very deep, often there's a "correct way" to play and you're really only ever leveraging how well those dice are going to behave.

It would take precisely ten minutes for a video game adaptation to lock into a meta and endless crying why *my* faction deserves a boost and his a nerf. It just won't work.

If you
>Pumped Doomstacks out of thin air
>Formed alliances with blood enemies in order to declare war on the player turn 9
>Manipulated ambush RNG into your favor
>Manipulated auto-battle outcomes in order to waste the player's time
>Marched across the map just to sack one tiny settlement while losing your entire providence
you didn't actually beat the player. Therefore you get modded and dabbed on.

I don't see how law vs chaos is all that much of a deviation from typical fantasy stories about law vs chaos by Poul Anderson and Michael Moorcock

We had this thread yesterday.

1.) Takes away the 16th century grimdark messy feel of WHFB that was fairly unique for fantasy settings for more gold and shiny World of Warcraft aesthetics
2.) Everything is about gods and dimensions, when WHFB was relatively grounded and Gods were distant unseen forces.
3.) WHFB had a well-developed world and history with lots of lore. AoS has little lore and is just "anything goes". Lord Blah blah throwaway daemon prince invades the blah blah fortress of the blipbloop realm and the battle is never heard from again. There are no in-universe boundaries or regulations. You used to have to explain why Lizardmen were appearing in Nehekhara and it required some sense of internal consistency. With AoS, everyone is everywhere. The "big world, long journey" aspect of Warhammer is dead when everyone teleports around dimensions.
4.) The models look stupid and often have retarded names (i.e. Orcs are Orruks, Lizardmen are Seraphon, Ogres are Ogors, Dwarfs are Hearthkyn or some shit.
5.) It wanks Chaos and basically makes it the big-bad. Nagash and Malekith went from world-ending threats to other gods that get along with Sigmar for the most part. Orcs and Ogres (ahem, Orruks and Ogors) are just annoyances. Undead are goodguys more often than not. Everybody really just waits to fight Chaos or has minor skirmishes without them. Unfortunately 40k is just becoming the same thing
6.) Nothing feels like it matters by having 9 different dimensions of cosmic bullshit instead of grounded towns, villages, countries with relatable histories and borders.

I'm not sure how the gameplay itself is, though I hear it's more simplified and streamlined than WHFB. However the lore is the main problem. You used to be able to get lost reading Warhammer Fantasy lore for hours whereas you can know about Age of Sigmar's with a quick skim.

Only secondaries hate it. Most people's impression of AoS is from faggy youtubers with OC donut steel space marine avatars.

Adding to what other anons said, it had a horrible launch.
1 - the game was filled with these "fun" real-life things you could do. If you charged with a certain unit and, in real life, shouted something your units would charge a bit further.
2 - no fucking point system. Normally you battle against someone else and you each have an army worth, say, 2000 points. Here there were no points. Anything went as long as your opponent agreed.
Both these things where hated by the people who played Warhammer. It was changed later on, but it left a very bad first impression.

Its not as bad as people claim it to be, its mostly sour taste left in people's mouths after the disaster that was the End Times and Age of Sigmar's own launch which was a disaster, no arguing about it
But its been patched up gameplay wise and while lore is much less grounded, I don't mind it myself

The Steamtank is so kino, shame it kinda sucks to use in game. Should have literally no problem flat rolling entire columns it's a fucking tank.

WHFB is and never has been a balanced game in its entire history. Guess which side has the strongest armies, and guess which two were the absolute bottom of the barrel.

Great cinematic, shame about the game at best being average.

Mark of Chaos completely mogs Total Warhammer. It had SOUL, while TWW is just slop bordering on capeshit.

Not only did I play Mark of Chaos, I also played Battle March, have 150 hours in TWW1, own 1500 points of WoC, and another 1500 points of O&G. You're a secondary, and TWW is soulless slop made for people like you.

It's less than the price of a cup of coffee on GOG right now.
Is it really good? I'm

I just started playing Dawn of War. I've finished the first campaign and started Winter Assault's 'Order' campaign.
Is really good and my first Warhammer game. I got DoW I, DoW II, and Spess Mehreen in a humble bundle years ago and am just now playing them.

Are there any other good 40k games.

and am Interested of more gems in the setting (yes I know I was asking about 40K but I'm interested in fantasy as well) and don't feel like shelling out hundreds of dollars for Total War.

It feels like an entire galaxy and yet the vast majority of happens and conflicts is centered around like four factions. I like when there is unique cool aliens or mysteries like the slaugh's, whatever the 4d spiders were called in Eisenhorn, Tyrant star, Even the blood pact/ sanguinary worlds.

also 40k universe is beyond stupid.

People already told you it's by design so you don't substitute 600$ of models with a 60$ game

This. I hope rogue trader rpg will allow us to interact and see lots of shit and set a precedent for doing that kind of stuff.

counterpoint:

I can see them going into different fantasy settings. Historycucks really can do nothing but seethe. I personally hope they do a LotR Toral War game but WB garden gnomes are so zealously protective of their licenses.

>tfw still no update on this shit after GW locked him in their basement
Fuckin rip

Early-mid game you basically pretend you're playing Medieval 2 with combined arms. Peasants to hold the line, arrows to soften up enemies, trebuchets to have some actual threat in your non mobile army, and at least 4 cavalry to actually win you the battle, do hammer and anvil. Late game you just say fuck it and mass cavalry, grail guardians make a very good anvil despite also being cavalry. Or you can go full memestack with hyppogriff knights and just faceroll all the unchivalrous shits.

I hope lizardmen gets some of those big toppy headpieces when they get a visual overhaul. I hate how basic most infantry look.

MMO had a potential but it got fucked.

>miiddlehammerzoomers trying to act uperior
True fans only like this oldhammer beauty made back when GW still carved miniatures in stone

>posts a WFB hero model instead of the scalie bait that will actually be replacing saurus

>NOOO YOU HAVE TO JUMP ON THE HATE BANDWAGON BECAUSE.... JUST BECAUSE OKAY
AoS has its issues but I'm not gonna be eternally asshurt because a youtuber told me so.

He was probably meant to be a bonus challenge character.

>protagonists spend whole series fighting each other

I bought Battle for Skull Pass 15 years ago. I am not part of the problem.

>don't play the game becuase you're a secondary that doesn't play TT
>this is somehow the reason it died
Why would they be responsible when they aren't even a part of it?

dont google pygmies

And it worked. AoS sells, unlike WHFB

Will never happen anon

>had also had the spirits of dawi, elves and even orcs
Just say dwarf you retard.

You can blame "the fans". Everyone cried how they need to be explicedly shown that the masked characters are human to relate to them, so GW said fuck it and from 2e onwards tgey started removing helmets to give people what they wanted. And then the same people cried they don't like the human heads

>HE SO ANGRY HE CORRUPTED AN ENTIRE CRUSADE OF SISTERS AND PRIMARIS FOR KHORNE
Huh?

Someone decided to sperg over mostly naked lizards changing the texture of their swors

Remember the exact same tging with 'Ardboyz and Black Orcs. Retards get confused by bases and paintjobs and don't even realise it's the exact same thing

I mean they've managed to shoehorn literal whos like Vampire Coast, Norsca, Cathay and Chaos Dwarfs, so Araby is 100% happening at some point or I'll eat my hat.

>This hobby is just over.
Actually it's bigger than it ever has been.

Ironically enough Vermintide is the best representation of the WHFB world around. It's been said a lot, but TWW really is starting to feel like capeshit. I don't know why. I didn't get the vibe when I originally played the first one.

As it was said 1000 times. GW views vidua as a potential competition to model sales. Tww was only allowed to happen, because they were feding the line out

See

Pay no attention to this retard. They have Skullcrackers (?) lava cannons, hellfire cannons, the trains.
Chorfs are going to be absurd on release. Bull centaurs have better stats than Minotaurs with shields and are a fucking cav unit.
The blunderbusses have shorter range, but get a good flank off and you will turn anything they hit into fucking jelly.

Dumb retard

Ehh lorewise Chorfs only really use daemons as engines. They bind them into their trains and cannons, they don't field them as troops

Their friendship with the protagonists of the setting, dwarfs and elves.

>Chaos is typically small-scale as most Chaos Warriors wander North to the Wastes to wait for the right time
>Skaven are so utterly indecisive that they constantly backstab themselves out of working together properly. It took their literal God showing up to whip them into proper shape.
>Tomb Kings don't give a fuck.
>Vamp Counts are an actual major threat and constantly have to be dealt with, but have glaring weaknesses that allow them to be kept at bay.
>Orcs are too busy fighting Dwarfs most of the time, and when they do show up it usually leads to a major mustering to head them off.
>Beastmen are only a threat to small villages and Kislevite nobility

Faith, Steel and Gunpowder, simple as
and magic and being on good terms with the dwarfs and other shit

>FB fan cries about muh dead setting
>Tries to shit on the setting doing far better than FB did
>Gets pushback for it
>Why are you so obnoxious?!?

Halberds are two handed weapons in Warhammer Fantasy Battles, you can't use both in combat at the same time

Chill the fuck out Settra