That's how everyone else feels about the RSE starters. >wonky butt-head lizard >boring orange chick >derpy blue thing
They didn't inspire confidence until you knew their evolutions and didn't look good until later generations that fixed the awful Gen 3 sprites.
I'm partial to gen2 as well, even though they are competitively redundant I quite like the designs
gen 1 2 and 4 are definitely my top 3 for fully evolved starter trio in some order I can't be assed to figure out
Until Gen. 4 I can't say that we had bad starters.Even if someone didn't like something like venusaur it's clear that they are cool and enjoyable.
It actually was very well balanced in this regard. People could have arguments about which is better (and they still do) and it was fun.
Gen. 5 broke the mold because after it, it turned into what starter was less shit and not what starter was cooler.
>emperor penguin, not a literal emperor
"If anyone were to hurt its pride, it would slash them with wings that can cleave through an ice floe."
"It avoids unnecessary disputes, but it will decimate anything that threatens its pride."
2 years ago
Anonymous
Its personality is inspired by emperors/leaders. But being prideful doesn't take the concept far enough that I'd say its a jobmon. It has no lore about leading troops, or about trying to take control of its environment, or about them vying to be leaders of their pack. It's just haughty.
2 years ago
Anonymous
> It has no lore about leading troops, or about trying to take control of its environment, or about them vying to be leaders of their pack. It's just haughty.
Hmhmm, now where's the lore for these?
2 years ago
Anonymous
You need a fricking psychiatrist
2 years ago
Anonymous
>no argument
Concession accepted.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Loser
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cope
2 years ago
Anonymous
samurott's is in the name
2 years ago
Anonymous
Emperor
Napoleon
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Enperuto
again it's just a name taken from "emperor penguin", it does not literally incorporate elements of being an emperor, or much less being Napoleon Bonaparte himself, into its design. whereas Samurott is wearing a shell kabuto, has a tachi on its head and wakizashi on its legs
2 years ago
Anonymous
>brings up english name >counter with english name >suddenly, brings up jap name when cornered
curious
2 years ago
Anonymous
I brought it up as an additional point of reference. what I said in the body of the post applies to Empoleon's English name perfectly well
fwiw I don't buy into the 'jobmon = bad' meme, I just think a lot of them look extremely shitty ugly. Empoleon isn't a jobmon but even if he was wearing a tricorne or laurel wreath or something he would still look pretty cool. I dislike Samurott on the other hand because why in the hell would you go "bipedal otter > bipedal otter > quadruped sea lion" if you were designing a water type samurai? and it also just looks awkward and uncool to me, weirdly reminiscent of an inflatable pool toy
2 years ago
Anonymous
Daikenki translates to big, sword-wielding demon. Therefore, Samurott is more of a monster than Empoleon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It’s also a drastically worse design than an empoleon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Subjective.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nope. Samurott is objectively a horribly executed design.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Objectively you need a psychiatrist
2 years ago
Anonymous
Can you tell the difference between subjective and objective
Don't talk to me until you explain the difference between those two
Everyone sane agrees that it's a bad design. Deal with it. You need an irrational emotional attachment to not see it. I picked that line for my first BW run because it was the best starter in theory but I don't let that disconnect me from reality.
Why all this mad talk about my boy Samurott?! He's awesome! Sure its stats ain't great compared to others but he's definitely one of the better designed starters out there.
That forced pose is the only way you can make Samurott look good because it ignores the original awful anatomy and hides other design blunders (I know it's from the anime, it doesn't help your case), such as the clumsy integration of the blades in their arms (nobody cares that it's *supposed* to evoke the look of a war mount, it looks moronic in practice).
It's not wrong to like the concept of Samurott or enjoy the final result despite its flaws but treating it as a genuinely good design and pretending that it's misunderstood or that there is something wrong with the people who don't like it is what makes everyone consider you a bunch of idiots.
2 years ago
Anonymous
We should be happy and celebrate it isn’t bipedal.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That is something not inherent to Samurott but relative to the other starters. And even then, Serperior runs circles around it by not even having legs.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>We should be happy and celebrate that the design makes no sense and that it learns fewer moves
2 years ago
Anonymous
>pretending that it's misunderstood
It is. People think samurai = dude with a sword when in reality it was a mounted archer. It is a good design. Get some taste.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it's a mounted archer >that still uses its handheld swords that it requires two legs to properly use
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Nooo it’s a sword user >Has a higher special attack stat
Explain this then. It would rather blast water at you than use it’s swords. Seems more like an archer to me
2 years ago
Anonymous
Their lore, promotional artwork and 3D animations focus on the use of swords. It is never depicted using projectiles by default. The SpA stat is a nice reference to samurai, if it was intentional, but to think it "seems more like an archer" requires grasping at straws. It is a conclusion that you have to aim for, instead of reaching naturally, by ignoring everything else.
Are you trolling or genuinely this stupid?
2 years ago
Anonymous
they're genuine
t. Samurottgay that has to watch this same autist make the exact same posts every time the mon is brought up
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Design gets emphasis on their most interesting feature than their actual fighting style
No shit sherlock. Pic-rel is supposed to rival pro-boxers but would rather fire meteor showers instead. Alolan Exeggutor is stated to hammer opponents with its neck when it would rather fire a storm of leaves. Walrein is known for it's powerful tusks but would rather fire beams of ice etc. You shouldn't treat dex entries/promo art as the de facto of how a mon would normally fight.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Can you tell the difference between subjective and objective
Don't talk to me until you explain the difference between those two
2 years ago
Anonymous
despite having the word for demon in itself, the term is used to describe people, not literal "sword wielding demons"
2 years ago
Anonymous
And the term "emperor" is used to describle people. See how we can argue in circles?
2 years ago
Anonymous
... but, design-wise, Samurott clearly *is* a samurai who is also a sea lion. and not a demon wielding a sword.
whereas Empoleon is clearly not an emperor. it's just a rather imposing blue emperor penguin with a trident on its forehead, whose name is a pun on "Napoleon" as a nod to the "emperor" in "emperor penguin".
do you see how that's different?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>... but, design-wise, Samurott clearly *is* a samurai who is also a sea lion.
While Empoleon is clearly a emperor who is also a emperor penguin. A trident is a human invention. His white chest resembles an old century jabot. Do you understand your hypocrisy?
2 years ago
Anonymous
no
no emperor had a trident on his face
his chest resembles more closely a tux and oversized necktie than any outfit Napoleon ever wore, because, you know, a lot of penguins look like they are wearing tuxedo's kinda, emperors included
his design is not "clearly an emperor" by any stretch of anyone's imagination other than apparently yours
2 years ago
Anonymous
It’s quadrupedal because samurai used bows and spears more than their sword. That’s why it has high special attack(long range) and a massive horn on it’s helm
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It’s quadrupedal because samurai used bows and spears more than their sword
how does that make any sense
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because swords was never their primary weapon. Therefore, it’s more suited for blasting water and using it’s horn than relying on swords
2 years ago
Anonymous
anon even its japanese name is Emperte, likely from emperor (penguin) + napoleon bonaparte. It has a crown, its prideful, it was obviously designed with the emperor theme in mind. That doesn't make it a jobmon but they did design it with that inspiration, GF loves to incorporate puns like that into designs. It's not a literal emperor but it references one
2 years ago
Anonymous
They're inspired in a similar way. True jobmon starters in my opinion didn't start until gen 7
2 years ago
Anonymous
Everyone here who Hate's them needs a fricking psychiatrist
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Hmhmm, now where's the lore for these?
The secret lore is that they hired a guy through nepotism after the original designer resigned.
That's why only serperior looks like a starter and all the others are ugly pieces of shit.
Nepotism at his core.
It's a ugly story but it's true. Gen. 5 is a mistake.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>rabbling that has nothing to do with the conversation
Ok
2 years ago
Anonymous
Supposedly they're based on Europe (specifically France), China and Japan. Why they are in a region based on New York is beyond me. Still love all of them though! This is the generation that I got back into Pokemon only to have my heart broken by the following generations.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Gee I wonder why a region based on New York, a port that people from across the globe historically sailed towards seeking opportunity in a new world has starters based on history of other countries.
Thats pretty much the most american thing they could have done without basing the starters on a slave owner, a native and an overweight businessman.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>if you are proud you have a job
someone call up irl mountain goats and tell them they are jobmons
three objectively good picks, you can't go wrong with any of them for the base game. Feel bad for fire bros for only having Infernape or Rapidash, but still, not bad overall.
Gen 5 had Emboar and started the decline of the fire starters as the coolest of all. It had shit tier writing and the mechanics sucked ass.
Your argument is invalid.
Kind of like the evil spirit froslass was based off of had the job of preying on travellers. Also there's little that outright says emperor about empoleon's design other than the trident that more so references Poseidon.
>evil spirit
A mythical creature that doesn't exist. Emperors existed.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>A mythical creature that doesn't exist
Still did something specific as its role like a job. >base pokemon off of fictional librarian >someone will say it can't be a jobmon because the librarian it's based off is fictional
That's strange because it has two good starters (Empoleon and Torterra) and I remember gen 5 having two good starters as well (Serperior and Samurott) so there's some mistake you must've made
>his chest resembles more closely a tux and oversized necktie than any outfit Napoleon ever wore, because, you know, a lot of penguins look like they are wearing tuxedo's
God, Empoleongays are so delusional.
How delusional Empoleongays are. There's a huge difference between Empoleon's obvious designed jabot and a Emperor Penguin's white belly. And like I said, a tridant is a human weapon and it being pasted on it's face doesn't change the fact that it has a human weapon on it's face. Empoleon is clearly inspired by human culture more than it being just a quirky steel penguin.
it does not look like a jabot
having a trident incorporated into its design doesn't have anything to do with being an emperor
if you want to say that it "is inspired by human culture" sure. that would be equally true if his body is supposed to look like a white shirt with a blue suit and necktie (which I still think it is) or if it's supposed to be a jabot. nobody said anything to the contrary. but 'inspired by human culture' isn't synonymous with 'jobmon' so I don't think that's relevant to the question at hand
I am not an "Empoleongay"
>it does not look like a jabot
Wrong. >having a trident incorporated into its design doesn't have anything to do with being an emperor
Not the point. The point was to showcase how human inspired it was. >but 'inspired by human culture' isn't synonymous with 'jobmon'
Only with pokemon that you don't like, it does. Ex: Rillaboom, Primarina, etc.
This argument is stupid, trying define what falls into counting as job inspiration and not. What's important about jobmon is how much their theme overwhelms freedom of personality and makes them feel like a person or mascot costume. Gen five mons still feel flexible with all sorts of natures, six was toeing a line by giving them some clear RPG roles, but still has freedom of design (shame it's ugly). Gen 7 went downhil because then all the starters went from cute little animal friend to specific interest and personality while also looking absurdly human-like. 8 followed suit and now it's hard to keep hope for 9.
Why all this mad talk about my boy Samurott?! He's awesome! Sure its stats ain't great compared to others but he's definitely one of the better designed starters out there.
While I agree that they were the last good set of starters they also started the awful theming of starters we have now. Theming is why we have so many shit and furbait starters
>Gen 4
Mythology. World Turtle, Sun Wukong and Poseidon/Neptune
>Gen 5
Royalty/Leaders. Samurai, Chinese General and French Nobility
>Gen 6
D&D Classes. Fighter, Mage, Rogue
>Gen 7
Entertainers. Luchadore, Singer and Trickshooter. Also extinct animals
>Gen 8
British pop culture icons. Spy(007), soccer player, punk drummer (punk started in the UK)
We don't have the Gen 9 final evos yet but I'd bet they also follow a theme. Gens 1-3 the best because the starters are just creatures and not shitty furbait.
You could argue that Gens 1-3 had themes in the starters as well.Gen 1 being genetics, Gen 2 having a simple one, Gen 3 being nature, but it feels like alot of the games are prioritizing themes over everything else.
What exactly is the actual definition of a "jobmon"? Are there actual identifiable aspectd you can attribute to a starter design that is considered a jobmon or is it hust /vp/ slang for "starter I don't like"?
If you can determine what job or theme a Pokemon is supposed to be before what animal it is supposed to be then its a job mon. Like the Gen 8 starters are clearly a spy, soccer player and drummer before they are a chameleon, rabbit and gorilla. Every post 4th Gen starter has had this problem with the maybe exclusion of Serperior.
>If you can determine what job or theme a Pokemon is supposed to be before what animal it is supposed to be then its a job mon.
So, this is a jobmon, then.
>If you can determine what job or theme a Pokemon is supposed to be before what animal it is supposed to be then its a job mon.
I already determined that it's based on Sun Wukong just by looking at him and I'm sure many did as well due to grewing up with DBZ and learning about Sun Wukong from there.
Yes Gen 4 was the start of the "jobmon" idea. It just wasn't as blatant about it as say Gen 6 onwards.
I would say that the ideas of Sun Wukong, the World Turtle and Poseidon were a little less obvious to normie children than say samurai or luchadore and I wish they had stayed at the point where the theme took more than a glance to tell what it was.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Samurott's theme is only obvious in English. The original name was "demonic sword user", blame the localization team
2 years ago
Anonymous
>has the samurai style pauldrons >has the old man samurai moustache >head shell/helmet goes down the neck and has a horn like samurai helmets >Pokedex entries talk about drawing and sheathing its swords faster than you can blink like samurai are claimed to
Don't get mad at me but I like the Sword & Shield starter Pokemon. But the latest two Pokemon games (Scarlet & Violet). The starters in those games are disgusting. Who designed them?
I actually didn't like them. I think D/P was the first time, when I was a teenager, that I actually just boxed a starter for the whole game. I love the region and cities and minigames of Sinnoh, but the only pokemon I can remember I liked at all from that generation was Lopunny (male) and Vespiquen. I will not say something nice. I will demand pokemon contests come back.
Why can't we use "thememon" instead? While Torterra doesn't have a job, its definitely themed after a mythological figure(World Turtle) like the other two(Monkey King and Poseidon/Neptune)
Because "jobmon" has a negative connation to it, and using "thememon" would include the starter trio that the same people crying about jobmons like and that's a no-no. Basically, jobmon = thing I don't like.
Infernape is the best starter ever, period, pretty much elevated gen 4 starters to the best line-up, even though the others are awesome to. The order this comic should be in, >1st panel: Gen 4 and Gen 2 >2nd panel: Gen 3 >4th panel: Gen 1
i like turtles penguins and monkeys too
I thought they were all pretty ugly tbh, first gen where I didn't want to pick any of the 3
Seconding this.
t. Hoenn babies
That's how everyone else feels about the RSE starters.
>wonky butt-head lizard
>boring orange chick
>derpy blue thing
They didn't inspire confidence until you knew their evolutions and didn't look good until later generations that fixed the awful Gen 3 sprites.
All-time lousiest starter trio, but at least they managed not to kill the franchise.
Thank you, Sinnoh starters, for only sucking so much.
They're pretty fricking lame and definitely the first blow, but all time lousiest goes to Kalos trio easily.
Easily the best starter trio, only kanto compares
I'm partial to gen2 as well, even though they are competitively redundant I quite like the designs
gen 1 2 and 4 are definitely my top 3 for fully evolved starter trio in some order I can't be assed to figure out
Until Gen. 4 I can't say that we had bad starters.Even if someone didn't like something like venusaur it's clear that they are cool and enjoyable.
It actually was very well balanced in this regard. People could have arguments about which is better (and they still do) and it was fun.
Gen. 5 broke the mold because after it, it turned into what starter was less shit and not what starter was cooler.
>Until Gen. 4 I can't say that we had bad starters.
yeah Meganium's pretty cool
The worst starters would be gen 3 starters, none of them spark any joy in me
you need a fricking psychiatrist
The last starter trio before jobmon starters took over the franchise
What job does Serperior have that Empoleon doesn't?
They were the first jobmons, tho.
what jobs
military and political leader
which one?
emperor penguin, not a literal emperor
>emperor penguin, not a literal emperor
"If anyone were to hurt its pride, it would slash them with wings that can cleave through an ice floe."
"It avoids unnecessary disputes, but it will decimate anything that threatens its pride."
Its personality is inspired by emperors/leaders. But being prideful doesn't take the concept far enough that I'd say its a jobmon. It has no lore about leading troops, or about trying to take control of its environment, or about them vying to be leaders of their pack. It's just haughty.
> It has no lore about leading troops, or about trying to take control of its environment, or about them vying to be leaders of their pack. It's just haughty.
Hmhmm, now where's the lore for these?
You need a fricking psychiatrist
>no argument
Concession accepted.
Loser
Cope
samurott's is in the name
Emperor
Napoleon
>Enperuto
again it's just a name taken from "emperor penguin", it does not literally incorporate elements of being an emperor, or much less being Napoleon Bonaparte himself, into its design. whereas Samurott is wearing a shell kabuto, has a tachi on its head and wakizashi on its legs
>brings up english name
>counter with english name
>suddenly, brings up jap name when cornered
curious
I brought it up as an additional point of reference. what I said in the body of the post applies to Empoleon's English name perfectly well
fwiw I don't buy into the 'jobmon = bad' meme, I just think a lot of them look extremely shitty ugly. Empoleon isn't a jobmon but even if he was wearing a tricorne or laurel wreath or something he would still look pretty cool. I dislike Samurott on the other hand because why in the hell would you go "bipedal otter > bipedal otter > quadruped sea lion" if you were designing a water type samurai? and it also just looks awkward and uncool to me, weirdly reminiscent of an inflatable pool toy
Daikenki translates to big, sword-wielding demon. Therefore, Samurott is more of a monster than Empoleon.
It’s also a drastically worse design than an empoleon.
Subjective.
Nope. Samurott is objectively a horribly executed design.
Objectively you need a psychiatrist
Everyone sane agrees that it's a bad design. Deal with it. You need an irrational emotional attachment to not see it. I picked that line for my first BW run because it was the best starter in theory but I don't let that disconnect me from reality.
That forced pose is the only way you can make Samurott look good because it ignores the original awful anatomy and hides other design blunders (I know it's from the anime, it doesn't help your case), such as the clumsy integration of the blades in their arms (nobody cares that it's *supposed* to evoke the look of a war mount, it looks moronic in practice).
It's not wrong to like the concept of Samurott or enjoy the final result despite its flaws but treating it as a genuinely good design and pretending that it's misunderstood or that there is something wrong with the people who don't like it is what makes everyone consider you a bunch of idiots.
We should be happy and celebrate it isn’t bipedal.
That is something not inherent to Samurott but relative to the other starters. And even then, Serperior runs circles around it by not even having legs.
>We should be happy and celebrate that the design makes no sense and that it learns fewer moves
>pretending that it's misunderstood
It is. People think samurai = dude with a sword when in reality it was a mounted archer. It is a good design. Get some taste.
>it's a mounted archer
>that still uses its handheld swords that it requires two legs to properly use
>Nooo it’s a sword user
>Has a higher special attack stat
Explain this then. It would rather blast water at you than use it’s swords. Seems more like an archer to me
Their lore, promotional artwork and 3D animations focus on the use of swords. It is never depicted using projectiles by default. The SpA stat is a nice reference to samurai, if it was intentional, but to think it "seems more like an archer" requires grasping at straws. It is a conclusion that you have to aim for, instead of reaching naturally, by ignoring everything else.
Are you trolling or genuinely this stupid?
they're genuine
t. Samurottgay that has to watch this same autist make the exact same posts every time the mon is brought up
>Design gets emphasis on their most interesting feature than their actual fighting style
No shit sherlock. Pic-rel is supposed to rival pro-boxers but would rather fire meteor showers instead. Alolan Exeggutor is stated to hammer opponents with its neck when it would rather fire a storm of leaves. Walrein is known for it's powerful tusks but would rather fire beams of ice etc. You shouldn't treat dex entries/promo art as the de facto of how a mon would normally fight.
Can you tell the difference between subjective and objective
Don't talk to me until you explain the difference between those two
despite having the word for demon in itself, the term is used to describe people, not literal "sword wielding demons"
And the term "emperor" is used to describle people. See how we can argue in circles?
... but, design-wise, Samurott clearly *is* a samurai who is also a sea lion. and not a demon wielding a sword.
whereas Empoleon is clearly not an emperor. it's just a rather imposing blue emperor penguin with a trident on its forehead, whose name is a pun on "Napoleon" as a nod to the "emperor" in "emperor penguin".
do you see how that's different?
>... but, design-wise, Samurott clearly *is* a samurai who is also a sea lion.
While Empoleon is clearly a emperor who is also a emperor penguin. A trident is a human invention. His white chest resembles an old century jabot. Do you understand your hypocrisy?
no
no emperor had a trident on his face
his chest resembles more closely a tux and oversized necktie than any outfit Napoleon ever wore, because, you know, a lot of penguins look like they are wearing tuxedo's kinda, emperors included
his design is not "clearly an emperor" by any stretch of anyone's imagination other than apparently yours
It’s quadrupedal because samurai used bows and spears more than their sword. That’s why it has high special attack(long range) and a massive horn on it’s helm
>It’s quadrupedal because samurai used bows and spears more than their sword
how does that make any sense
Because swords was never their primary weapon. Therefore, it’s more suited for blasting water and using it’s horn than relying on swords
anon even its japanese name is Emperte, likely from emperor (penguin) + napoleon bonaparte. It has a crown, its prideful, it was obviously designed with the emperor theme in mind. That doesn't make it a jobmon but they did design it with that inspiration, GF loves to incorporate puns like that into designs. It's not a literal emperor but it references one
They're inspired in a similar way. True jobmon starters in my opinion didn't start until gen 7
Everyone here who Hate's them needs a fricking psychiatrist
>Hmhmm, now where's the lore for these?
The secret lore is that they hired a guy through nepotism after the original designer resigned.
That's why only serperior looks like a starter and all the others are ugly pieces of shit.
Nepotism at his core.
It's a ugly story but it's true. Gen. 5 is a mistake.
>rabbling that has nothing to do with the conversation
Ok
Supposedly they're based on Europe (specifically France), China and Japan. Why they are in a region based on New York is beyond me. Still love all of them though! This is the generation that I got back into Pokemon only to have my heart broken by the following generations.
>Gee I wonder why a region based on New York, a port that people from across the globe historically sailed towards seeking opportunity in a new world has starters based on history of other countries.
Thats pretty much the most american thing they could have done without basing the starters on a slave owner, a native and an overweight businessman.
>if you are proud you have a job
someone call up irl mountain goats and tell them they are jobmons
>dude...what if we took animal....and then slapped random bullshit on it to make it overdesigned and ugly
>Random
It's not random at all if you know their inspiration, though empoleon's flipper claws are stupid and will always bug me
three objectively good picks, you can't go wrong with any of them for the base game. Feel bad for fire bros for only having Infernape or Rapidash, but still, not bad overall.
true
and 3 had one that was meh and one that sucked
you all know which ones I'm talking about
Gen 5 saved the franchise
Gen 5 had Emboar and started the decline of the fire starters as the coolest of all. It had shit tier writing and the mechanics sucked ass.
Your argument is invalid.
Gen 1,3 and 4 have the best starter trio, I hope gen 9 atleast has a good overall trio
>Gen 1,3 and 4 have the best starter trio
Another guy from mental hospital
I don't like Infernape but Torterra and Empoleon more than make up for it.
>froslass is a jobmon because it takes inspiration from a specific spirit from japanese folklore
This is what empoleon is a jobmon gays sound like.
Spirits are mythical creatures. Are political leaders mythical creatures?
I never heard of a job called napoleon bonaparte.
That's because Napoleon's job was being a emperor.
Kind of like the evil spirit froslass was based off of had the job of preying on travellers. Also there's little that outright says emperor about empoleon's design other than the trident that more so references Poseidon.
>evil spirit
A mythical creature that doesn't exist. Emperors existed.
>A mythical creature that doesn't exist
Still did something specific as its role like a job.
>base pokemon off of fictional librarian
>someone will say it can't be a jobmon because the librarian it's based off is fictional
>froslaas is a jobmon because it takes inspiration from a specific spirit from japanese folklore
This is what primarina is a jobmon gays sound like.
Agree except Greninja is also great.
That's strange because it has two good starters (Empoleon and Torterra) and I remember gen 5 having two good starters as well (Serperior and Samurott) so there's some mistake you must've made
>his chest resembles more closely a tux and oversized necktie than any outfit Napoleon ever wore, because, you know, a lot of penguins look like they are wearing tuxedo's
God, Empoleongays are so delusional.
what is this image meant to demonstrate
How delusional Empoleongays are. There's a huge difference between Empoleon's obvious designed jabot and a Emperor Penguin's white belly. And like I said, a tridant is a human weapon and it being pasted on it's face doesn't change the fact that it has a human weapon on it's face. Empoleon is clearly inspired by human culture more than it being just a quirky steel penguin.
it does not look like a jabot
having a trident incorporated into its design doesn't have anything to do with being an emperor
if you want to say that it "is inspired by human culture" sure. that would be equally true if his body is supposed to look like a white shirt with a blue suit and necktie (which I still think it is) or if it's supposed to be a jabot. nobody said anything to the contrary. but 'inspired by human culture' isn't synonymous with 'jobmon' so I don't think that's relevant to the question at hand
I am not an "Empoleongay"
>it does not look like a jabot
Wrong.
>having a trident incorporated into its design doesn't have anything to do with being an emperor
Not the point. The point was to showcase how human inspired it was.
>but 'inspired by human culture' isn't synonymous with 'jobmon'
Only with pokemon that you don't like, it does. Ex: Rillaboom, Primarina, etc.
>it does not look like a jabot
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
monke was shit
They are pretty good.
Torterra should be way bigger, however.
This argument is stupid, trying define what falls into counting as job inspiration and not. What's important about jobmon is how much their theme overwhelms freedom of personality and makes them feel like a person or mascot costume. Gen five mons still feel flexible with all sorts of natures, six was toeing a line by giving them some clear RPG roles, but still has freedom of design (shame it's ugly). Gen 7 went downhil because then all the starters went from cute little animal friend to specific interest and personality while also looking absurdly human-like. 8 followed suit and now it's hard to keep hope for 9.
The first generations were literal animals and ugly designs, when will you accept that modern CAN and IS good and sometimes better than old??
I actually like this mon a lot but I expect them to completely uglify it the moment it evolves and it makes me sad.
Why all this mad talk about my boy Samurott?! He's awesome! Sure its stats ain't great compared to others but he's definitely one of the better designed starters out there.
Dubs picks my starter Pokemon.
Crobat
>wrong bat mon
Noibat
Samurott
Emboar
Charizard
I see what you all were trying to do with suggesting bats but anon said starter. So how about ninja frog?
>Dubs
>Checked
Greninja it is!
Thank you for playing anons!
Not so fast anon! If I get trips it’ll beat any dubs. Calling it right now…trips with feraligatr!!!
>382
I…I’ll see myself out.
While I agree that they were the last good set of starters they also started the awful theming of starters we have now. Theming is why we have so many shit and furbait starters
>Gen 4
Mythology. World Turtle, Sun Wukong and Poseidon/Neptune
>Gen 5
Royalty/Leaders. Samurai, Chinese General and French Nobility
>Gen 6
D&D Classes. Fighter, Mage, Rogue
>Gen 7
Entertainers. Luchadore, Singer and Trickshooter. Also extinct animals
>Gen 8
British pop culture icons. Spy(007), soccer player, punk drummer (punk started in the UK)
We don't have the Gen 9 final evos yet but I'd bet they also follow a theme. Gens 1-3 the best because the starters are just creatures and not shitty furbait.
You could argue that Gens 1-3 had themes in the starters as well.Gen 1 being genetics, Gen 2 having a simple one, Gen 3 being nature, but it feels like alot of the games are prioritizing themes over everything else.
>Gen 1 being genetics, Gen 2 having a simple one, Gen 3 being nature
I have no clue what you're trying to say
>Say something nice
It was the point where I grew out of playing the games.
They were my first but I have always hated Empoleon. Out of the first 4 gens its the worst fully evolved starter.
Torterra's the only good one though
Gen 5 was great too.
After that it went downhill fast.
Torterra is the only design that's good, ans that too without the spikes. Infernape looks butt-ugly and Empoleon looks too artificial.
are you kidding me, these were my most disliked starters until Galar came along
What exactly is the actual definition of a "jobmon"? Are there actual identifiable aspectd you can attribute to a starter design that is considered a jobmon or is it hust /vp/ slang for "starter I don't like"?
If you can determine what job or theme a Pokemon is supposed to be before what animal it is supposed to be then its a job mon. Like the Gen 8 starters are clearly a spy, soccer player and drummer before they are a chameleon, rabbit and gorilla. Every post 4th Gen starter has had this problem with the maybe exclusion of Serperior.
>If you can determine what job or theme a Pokemon is supposed to be before what animal it is supposed to be then its a job mon.
So, this is a jobmon, then.
Sun Wukong. Who granted was a monkey man. Gen 4's "jobs" were mythological figures.
>If you can determine what job or theme a Pokemon is supposed to be before what animal it is supposed to be then its a job mon.
I already determined that it's based on Sun Wukong just by looking at him and I'm sure many did as well due to grewing up with DBZ and learning about Sun Wukong from there.
Yes Gen 4 was the start of the "jobmon" idea. It just wasn't as blatant about it as say Gen 6 onwards.
I would say that the ideas of Sun Wukong, the World Turtle and Poseidon were a little less obvious to normie children than say samurai or luchadore and I wish they had stayed at the point where the theme took more than a glance to tell what it was.
Samurott's theme is only obvious in English. The original name was "demonic sword user", blame the localization team
>has the samurai style pauldrons
>has the old man samurai moustache
>head shell/helmet goes down the neck and has a horn like samurai helmets
>Pokedex entries talk about drawing and sheathing its swords faster than you can blink like samurai are claimed to
No its still obviously samurai themed
Job mon are highly inspired creations that help fit the themes of the game
Don't get mad at me but I like the Sword & Shield starter Pokemon. But the latest two Pokemon games (Scarlet & Violet). The starters in those games are disgusting. Who designed them?
The most overrated starter trio ever. Only reason why people worship this shit is because they grew up with Sinnoh.
>Gen 4 was the last time with really good starters
6's are better
7's are better
>B-BUT THEY'RE HUMANOID!!!
yeah? and?
How do I apply for the Sun Wukong job?
Be Sean Schemmel.
Your local Chinese theater. Journey to the West is huge in that community and he's a major character in it.
I actually didn't like them. I think D/P was the first time, when I was a teenager, that I actually just boxed a starter for the whole game. I love the region and cities and minigames of Sinnoh, but the only pokemon I can remember I liked at all from that generation was Lopunny (male) and Vespiquen. I will not say something nice. I will demand pokemon contests come back.
Why can't we use "thememon" instead? While Torterra doesn't have a job, its definitely themed after a mythological figure(World Turtle) like the other two(Monkey King and Poseidon/Neptune)
Because all the post 4th Gen starters were jobs.
Samurai, Chinese General, French Nobility
Fighter/Paladin, Mage, Rogue/Ninja
Luchadore, Singer, Trickshooter/Archer
Soccer player, Spy, Drummer
Gen 4 is the only "jobmon" that aren't actually jobs.
>Gen 4 had no jobs
well the majority of Pokemon have a theme anon, if anything a lack of any discernible theme would be its own category
Because "jobmon" has a negative connation to it, and using "thememon" would include the starter trio that the same people crying about jobmons like and that's a no-no. Basically, jobmon = thing I don't like.
They will never stop being bad, Sinnohbabes
>Liking the Gen 2 starters
Easily the shittiest batch of the first four gens. Trash taste
Torterra is cool. The other two are ugly as hell.
These are the starter trios where I like all 3 of them.
Good taste
Kanto, Sinnoh, and Hisui are top 3 for me
I am the number one hater of the recent jobmons but even I've got to admit that this set is just straight up boring
Love this trio. Anyone who hates them is a limp-dick homosexual who should rope
damn right
Infernape is the best starter ever, period, pretty much elevated gen 4 starters to the best line-up, even though the others are awesome to. The order this comic should be in,
>1st panel: Gen 4 and Gen 2
>2nd panel: Gen 3
>4th panel: Gen 1
16 years ago?
Then how come I was offered those same Pokéman when I played Shining Pearl, which came out last year?