Yes, that's why we don't do it anymore.
2000 years from now, they will probably think some of the things we do today are "unfair" and not do those either.
it’s almost like religion is fucking retarded or something. now to wait for one of Ganker‘s tradcath LARPers to further derail the thread, as if anyone on this shit board actually gives a shit about religion
>tell people to avoid lions >someone decides to ignore advice and gets attacked by a lion >we should celebrate their bravery for surviving a lion attack instead of punishing them as an example to others
If people were avoiding lions instead of trying to force them out of places they live and away from captured/killed animals, we would never be on the top of the food chain. Your analogy is just retarded
>Live a life full of sin
You could be an altruistic humanitarian and help the poor your entire life but if you don't believe in Jesus you'll go to hell
Christianity has nothing to do with how good of a person you are, it has to do with whether or not you believe in Jesus
The premise of the religion is basically >you're a sinner because some bitch ate an apple 5000 years ago, you always will be a sinner no matter what you do, so you need to believe in Jesus to save you >but even though you always will be a sinner, you shouldn't deliberately sin because....uh...reasons >so yeah, you're a sinner who deserves hell, but also, don't actively sin
So a repentant serial child murderer would go to heaven while an atheist doctor would go to hell
>Don't believe in God >Go to a place where there is no God
sounds fair to me, you get the afterlife you deserve.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
More like go to an afterlife that's all fucked up because of God.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Sort of true, but not in the way you mean. God is everything that is good. And because God is everything that is good, that means there is some place where everything is bad, and where God does not exist. Like a Moon has a light side, it has a dark side.
If you live a life full of sin, never have any interest in repenting, or if you spurn God's love for you by not believing in him, then it is only fair and logical that you spend eternity in a place full of sin and far away from God.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
So god is literally the kid in picrel?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
God is the guy who doesn't like gay homosexual dicks. You are the guy who likes gay homosexual dicks.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Delete this idolatrous image, or you will burn in hell.
Just your typical atheist version of hell that has been popularized for a long time >You only go to hell if you feel guilt even if you are a good person >So as long as you don't feel bad about killing this useless ethnic group you won't go to hell!
Goyim still seethe that they are responsible for their sins, and the chosen master race gets to lifehack their sins away every year.
It's funny how much it just sounds like a really bad scam for a cult >"Hey you should accept our lord and savior and blindly follow our beliefs because you'll spend an eternity of suffering in Hell after you die if you don't" >"How do we know you're going to spend an eternity of suffering in Hell? Uhh... well we got this book that says you will" >"Do we have any concrete proof? No but uh but there's always the possibility right? Do you really want to risk it? Now hurry up and throw some money in this offering basket! Our church needs money for recruitment programs!"
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Early church didn’t have the bible or hell, in fact there wasn’t an early church, there were several communities of Christians who all kept the gospel by word of mouth and that’s where the gospels came from. Not to mention all the Gnostic communities, and the Orphite Gnostics (I believe) who were literally wizards and used grimoires and stuff (which is why romans accused Christians of just being sorcerers, which is why early Christianity came to go pretty hard against the magic stuff despite magic being an extremely popular practice among average Christians, no I am not joking there is even a gay monk doing a spell to get another guy to fall in love with him).
The idea of there being one early church is a lie, orthodoxy and the bible came as a response from the marcionite bible which said the God from the Old Testament is evil and the new one good
Hell came much later in Christianity, never mind the concept of an eternal hell
> but if you don't believe in Jesus you'll go to hell >Christianity has nothing to do with how good of a person you are, it has to do with whether or not you believe in Jesus
That’s Protestantism, and why do you think Jesus is fixed to a superficial understanding of Him? Many people follow Jesus and don’t know it, many people who think they follow him don’t. > >you're a sinner because some bitch ate an apple 5000 years ago, you always will be a sinner no matter what you do, so you need to believe in Jesus to save you
This is a metaphor for duality in the human mind, and the ability to do evil while knowing evil, we are self-aware unlike an animal, thus we are responsible for our own actions, thus we are sinners > >so yeah, you're a sinner who deserves hell, but also, don't actively sin
You are experiencing hell right now, we all are
The Gnostic gospel of Mary states that there is no sin, so much as the inner state of sinfulness that sin arises from, selfishness and adultery from your higher cause
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The Gnostic gospel of Mary
I have no dog in this argument but you got to admit that vast majority of religious institutions regard this as heretical. I don't mind if you believe it and talk about it but that's not the church's attitude.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Explains why the globalists hate God and are trying to abolish the concept of sin itself.
>Live a life full of sin >Go to a place full of sin when you die >WHAT THE FUCK THIS IS SO UNFAIR! ACK!
I thought you would go to hell only if you aren't regretful or repentant of your sin. So long as you feel guilt, I thought you were worthy of redemption, no?
Not even sins really. Under Christian faith just not believing in God is deemed worthy of eternal damnation. >dedicate your life to helping others >die after helping countless people >arrive at pearly gates >Saint Peter goes "Well yeah you were a pretty good guy and all but you're a buddhist so it's the lake of fire for you!"
It's more so actively blaspheming. You can be a good atheist if you keep your mouth shut. If you go out of your way to attack Christ and the Holy spirit youre fucked.
Dude, you can be a piece of shit and go to heaven because all you need to do is believe that Jesus christ is the messiah. That's it. The only way to the father is through the son. It is explicitly clear on that AND that you don't have to do any good works. Just believe in jesus. Not believing makes you hellbound regardless of anything 'good' you did
A lot of major religions are full of fucking retarded shit like that. Kind of makes me wonder why Christcucks even worship God when it honestly makes him look just as evil as Satan himself >Killed every last man, woman, and Child on Earth aside from Noah and his family >Killed Job's family and ruined his life over what was basically a bet with Lucifer >Helped Moses """free""" the slaves of Egypt by devastating the country with plagues including one that killed every Egyptian's first born son >Said freed slaves were basically just made into God's slaves. Any deviations from his religion resulted in death. At one point some fucktards made a golden calf was up on a mountain writing the ten commandments and God had Moses punish the slaves by having him give a bunch of dudes swords and going through the camp cutting down every man, woman, and child in their path
I don't know much about the quaran but I do know mudslimes are just scum in general with no real morals and are massive sensitive snowflakes who fly into homicidal fits of rage over anyone daring to draw their precious pedo prophet
>Killed Job's family and ruined his life over what was basically a bet with Lucifer
It was Satan, not Lucifer, and God didnt do it, Satan did. Satan destroys Job’s house/kills his family etc.The only thing God does is give him twice his shit back.
Always remember boys and girls that these are the kinds of people telling you about the Bible on the internet. People who have never read it and dont know anything about it but pop culture memes.
Nah, in the Bible Satan is basically like "Hey God, I'll bet Job only worships you because he's been so blessed. You should test him."
Instead of going "Fuck off Satan" God's like "You're on, homosexual" and proceeds to kill off Job's family and servants, ruins his fields, and inflict him with lepresy and then goes "Haha he didn't say 'fuck you, God'! What now, homosexual?"
Yeah he gave Job new fields, cured his disease, and a new wife but it still shows that God's an asshole. The Bible tries to insist he was "testing Job" but it was really just a bet between him and one of his now former angels when you get right down to it. The fact that he felt he could just replace Job's precious wife and children with new ones like he's just replacing a cheap lamp he knocked over also makes him seem like a sociopath devoid of any empathy or value for human life.
God believed in Job but thats the extent of his involvement as far as the disasters, Satan afflicted Job with the disasters. The point of the parable is that belief in itself is important even when and precisely because man experiences life from a singular and thus a deficient perspective.
If you knew anything about the Bible or had bothered to even read the parable instead of a wikipedia synopsis of it you would know that Job raises the exact same issues with God that you condemn him for and God says who the fuck are you to ask me about those things. Id expound on why God reacted like that but you honestly arent worth it.
If you're interested try looking at a discussion of Job beyond the bullet points you got off of r/atheism thanks.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>God believed in Job but thats the extent of his involvement as far as the disasters
This is some top grade copium.
If I had the power to prevent something but stood by and did nothing, I would be implicit in the outcome as well.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
youd also prove youre a micromanaging asshole who wont give anyone a chance to prove their worth
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>kill a bunch of innocent people to test one guy's faith >this is supposed to be a good thing
Christ naggers are something else.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
why are you assuming they're innocent? It was already said at the start of Job that his children were in transgression. And even then they were still sinners, and they had to die at some point for their sins.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
For me it's that strange cucking thing that they have as a start for Jesus arc. How can you respect a god that can cuck you and force your wife to bear his child, even though he's omnipotent and can just make the child or cuck some bad evil guy from an enemy religion?
And it's not even that sort of obscure stuff that's normally brought up in these kinds of arguments, it's a pretty big deal in the whole religion. And everybody is fucking fine with it. Wild stuff.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
read the bible first before asking this
its literally one of the first things you read
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
This guy obsessed with cucking is trying to get us to believe he wants to have a serious theological discussion. You need to work on yourself, pal.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
The problem here is you thinking that a miracle birth is cuckoldry.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's still takes a toll on the woman's body, consuming her resources and health. Oh, but you're well aware of this, you're just on your little Internet crusade and argue for the sake of it.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Mary consented to it.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't think it's her call to make, she had a husband. People have social institutes for a reason, and if your god goes around violating them then it's some shitty god you've made.
At least they've patched that shit up with Islam.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I don't think it's her call to make
If she didn't want it it would not happen since it's God directly intervening in human affairs.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Alright, now you're just pretending to be retarded, that's kinda rude.
Nobody cares that a woman wants to be "special" and get knocked up by a powerful self-loving prick. She has a husband and it's his decision because he's the one who provides for her and he's the one who needs her to make children or else they both die in poverty when old. You know, that thing called "marriage" actually has a purpose behind it.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
God isn’t just some guy, it’s the omnipotent, omniscient force within anything. God isn’t having sex with anything, God isn’t human, you are anthropormothising something that can’t be compared to people
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
hurricanes aren't human either and you know what? I don't worship them, framing god as some force of nature and then defending your worship makes you even more retarded, not less.
Let's take an example, let's assume the universe is simulated and the laws of reality are an artificial construction. The "god" you would be describing is the computer processor. That's how stupid your religion sounds to anyone with critical thinking skills
They come out of the woodwork anytime religious is mentioned. It's like their bat signal.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>placing value on human connections and not wanting to have your family murdered is bad
You sound like a psycho.
No one sane would ever consider this a good deal or a good fucking trade, to be put along with strangers after the people you cared for were killed in some fucking accident and then be told "THIS IS YOUR NEW FAMILY NOW". It is why orphaned children 99% of the time come out fucking broken you worthless lunatic.
it's about unconditional love. When I first read Job I thought it was incoherent too. But the more I contemplated the nature of satan's argument and the arguments between Job and his wife and friends, the more I saw the nuance on what love really is and how it triumphs in a world that seemingly doesn't have it.
The Book of Job, principally, was to dispel certain fallacies that religious people have concerning suffering. The first is that suffering is a sign of God's displeasure, or that you're sinful and deserve it. The second is that doubting in God when you experience unjust suffering is a sin. The third, and arguably most important, is that you can presume to judge God for his action and inaction, when you can possibly see shit on his level.
A lot of these fallacies still exist to this day. Which just tells you that most people are functionally illiterate.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>fallacies
You argue from the standpoint of an imaginary sky wizard existing. There is nothing but fallacies in your writing. Unironically anyone that makes religion the centerpiece of their life and attempts to govern others by its rules should be put together. Every israelite, christcuck and shitslamist should be collectively turned into slop and used to fertilize the planet they have been defiling with their presence and their worthless drivel should be mocked and held up as an example of what not to do. Religions should never be accepted as anything more than a funny theological book club where nerds argue about power levels of their gods.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>edgelord makes the same mistake of arguing from an unproven axiom and then calls for the genocide of three different peoples because they believe differently than him
amazin
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, I openly call for your removal from this existence. You are nothing but poison and the suffering you left in your wake throughout history far eclipses anything that I am proposing.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You are nothing but poison… and suffering… >he says while advocating for the genocide of billions of people
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Obviously the Book of Job is written with the presumption that God exists, considering it's an allegorical story directly addressing the beliefs and attitudes of believers. I'm doing what they call in middle school English classes (as if you ever passed) "engaging with the text".
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
The only form of engagement this text should have is being carried to the nearest furnace.
>proceeds to kill off Job's family and servants, ruins his fields, and inflict him with leprosy
Makes an entire Reddit post but can’t even get the story right.
>It was Satan, not Lucifer >Always remember boys and girls that these are the kinds of people telling you about the Bible on the internet. People who have never read it and dont know anything about it but pop culture memes.
The absolute irony of this post. LARPers are so fucking embarrassing.
why did it take so long for humans to develop empathy and decency?
>people have killed each other for hundreds of years because of the quran written with logic THIS fucking bad
muslims, not even once
You retards can't figure out the very obvious everyday reality that was kept in mind making this rule (in islam, there is no such law in christianity).
When a man and woman commit adultery, it is always presumed that the woman consented, because nobody can know what went on in her mind, especially if nobody beside the rapist witnessed it.
This is a deliberate rule specifically to prevent female adulterers from using rape accusations as a get-out-of-jail-free-card. If you just look the other way and pardon every woman who 'got raped', you know what happens then? >woman and man commit adultery, both consent to it >they are caught >woman simply claims she was raped >rural village in ancient times, so no way to prove her wrong on this >man gets stoned to death >woman gets off scot-free >women now literally have license to commit capital crimes and are incentivised to get as many men of their own community killed as possible
Muhammed saw all of this coming from a mile away (or it actually did happen and he witnessed it) and said FUCK THAT. NOT IN MY RELIGION!
The mudskins are 100% based for stoning ''''''''''''rape victims''''''''''' (aka women who consented but withdrew it retroactivey to avoid accountability) to death.
im not the guy you were talking to, i just wanted to point out how retarded you were being.
rape/adultery is harder to prove under shariah law than it is under christian law.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
That is not relevant to female adulterers abusing rape accusations as a way to escape accountability. Which is specifically what the post was about. You switched the subject entirely because you couldn't find any faults in it otherwise.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
the flaw in your retarded argument is that under shariah law they dont even need to fall back on the rape excuse, unless she gets pregnant she can simply deny any adultery took place and the burden of proof in on the accuser, either get 4 eye witnesses to corroborate your story or she walks away scot free and you get hit a false accusation charge which means 80 lashes for your bitch ass.
TLDR: adultery is easier to get away with in islam and you're just a stupid nagger who has no idea what hes talking about.
That is not relevant to female adulterers abusing rape accusations as a way to escape accountability. Which is specifically what the post was about. You switched the subject entirely because you couldn't find any faults in it otherwise.
Sounds like anon was right and you got blown out but okay bro
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>he still can't point out any point where I was wrong
Pathetic
dosent matter, any 4 adult males will do.
and do you want know why you need 4 witnesses specifically? >Aisha was traveling with Muhammad and some of his followers. She left camp in the morning to search for a lost necklace; when she returned, she found that the company had broken camp and left without her. She waited patiently for half a day, until she was rescued by a man named Safwan and taken to rejoin the caravan.
Malicious tongues started to wag, claiming that she must have been having an affair with Safwan. Some urged Muhammad to divorce his wife. He then received a revelation directing that four eyewitnesses prove adultery, rather than simply inferred from opportunity. One passage of the Qur'an (Q 24:11) is usually taken as a rebuke to those who slandered Aisha: "Verily! They who spread the slander are a gang among you…”
so basically Muhamad was accused of being a cuck and in order to quash the rumors he pulled a convenient ayah out of his ass.
core idea is that she wasn't with her man. That to be alone to get rapped is questionable in a society where it was lawful to kill a man that touched your wife in any way.
>Ezekial 18: 23~32 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die. Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal? Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin. Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel? For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
Why would you lie about this? Deuteronomy 22:23-24 >If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.
As far as Roman Catholics go, everything in the old testament is non-canon unless otherwise stated in the 4 gospels + epistels
The whole point of big J was "let's dump this dumb bullshit, salvation is for everyone"
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Even the gays? Cause most of that gay shit is in the old testament.
But that's wrong, you're quoting out of a post 1960 Bible version.
>22 If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
>23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
>24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
If you're being raped, you would scream for help. This verse is basically for all the whores who were "drunk, drugs, etc". A civilized society the woman would not go into some dark alley with a male she didn't know and then scream rape the next day. IT's also implied that the woman is BETROTHED and went out with some stranger.
>25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:
>26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
And the next literal verses show if the rape was done in some secluded area the woman gets the benefit of the doubt.
So once again the Bible is right and gaytheists like this[...] are retards and wrong
>25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:
>26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
And the next literal verses show if the rape was done in some secluded area the woman gets the benefit of the doubt.
So once again the Bible is right and gaytheists like this
Why would you lie about this? Deuteronomy 22:23-24 >If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.
whoa
all these years and i didnt know that the bible accounted for secluded forcing
still
how can it be deemed that it was forced on a woman in question and not just a lie based on regret
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is where as fallible people, we stop and give the benefit of the doubt because we cannot know. Thankfully the final judge, God, does know and can administer justice fairly.
>If you're being raped, you would scream for help
not really, a victim will usually be too scared to scream since it might push the guy to beat her to death to shut her up
Statistically the woman would just be killed/knocked out, and then raped anyway. Seems kinda armchair-ish to expect a human being to consciously chose brutal death and punish them when they don't.
Survival above all is kinda our main thing as species. Too bad religionfags are subhuman.
I don't care about the technicalities, all I'm pointing out is that anon's lack of reading comprehension. Even if the logic is pretty dumb, the passage clearly states that the woman wasn't rape.
The fact that a term to specifically describe violating a woman's right to sexual autonomy didn't exist until relatively recently in human history seems like an argument AGAINST rape culture being real to you?!?
The fact that a term to specifically describe violating a woman's right to sexual autonomy didn't exist until relatively recently in human history seems like an argument AGAINST rape culture being real to you?!?
Pagan here. Do not invoke the medusa story, if you have no idea what it means. Paganism isn’t about good and evil and this gnostic bullshit. Medusa is being transformed into a monster, because she represents what happens to raped women. It‘s not a commandment. Paganism is about actually representing the real. It mimics life. When you defeat a people, your God defeats their God. That is why the Greek Gods imprisoned the Titans, when the Indo-Europeans Greeks invaded the cousins of the Minoans, who lived there before. That is why Aryans always have these snake/dragon-killing myths, when conquering semitic people.
Medusa turns into a monster, because real women turn into monsters, when they are raped and can no longer be the innocent, joyful creatures they were before.
Rape culture is also not a real thing. If anything we have a hero culture. The Aryan hero kills a beast, who is kidnapping a woman and then has consensual sex with her. This motive is so old and survives even today in modern movies, where the protagonist gets the girl after saving her from the villain and they kiss in the end.
You just described a society that normalizes stories where women are traded between protagonists and antagonists like currency. Hero culture and rape culture don’t cancel each other out, stupid.
nah, greeks didn't worship their gods in the same way christcucks do, they're aware the gods are retarded cunts, the stories are to show they're just as flawed as men which is why human heroes can change the world
That is exactly what paganism is; making a god in your own image.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
undiagnosed autism
autists can't handle when others think differently than them and they lash out
instead of getting treatment they denounce science and embrace some death cult that let's them be as violent and savage as they like while telling themselves they're "right"
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
autism is a superpower
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>some death cult that let's them be as violent and savage as they like while telling themselves they're "right"
lol tf are you on about schizo
>It was only added centuries later that she was a beautiful maiden that was raped.
I don't know, Zeus turned into a duck and somehow managed to rape somebody like that. If you get raped by a duck that sounds consensual to me.
Laws in medieval Europe permitted marrying off a woman to her rapist, and often based laws off the OT (like killing apostates,gays,animal rapists)
The notion that most of the Old Testament law is irrelevant and invalid (just because Jesus abrogated parts of it) is a modernist lie. The full blown abandonment of the OT is what lead to Christianity's secularization.
Why would Jesus abrogate parts of it if he upheld it?
Early Christians didn’t even kill gays, at most it was like a small repentance, OT style laws came as the church came as a later development
The Torah was never the law of God, never the law Jesus came to upheld, it was a flawed attempt of humans trying to reach the perfection of the real Torah
people were pretty awful then too, they've gotten progressively less so, but only in the last couple hundred years or so can anyone say anyone's been anything close to decent.
Yes, that's why we don't do it anymore.
2000 years from now, they will probably think some of the things we do today are "unfair" and not do those either.
Bible is all kinds of unfair.
Like God literally killed everyone on Earth once.
it’s almost like religion is fucking retarded or something. now to wait for one of Ganker‘s tradcath LARPers to further derail the thread, as if anyone on this shit board actually gives a shit about religion
No, you fucking idiots. The Bible says to stone a woman who claims she was raped, but didn't scream for help. The assumption is that, if she didn't fight or call for help, she's lying and it was consenting adultery.
Why would you lie about this? Deuteronomy 22:23-24 >If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.
Why would you post this assuming it supports your argument, when it contradicts it? Can you even read what it says there?
This isn't some weird Christian assumption; it's common fucking sense that doesn't need to be spelled out. There's absolutely no way to read that verse as saying >She was raped, which means she deserves to be stoned to death.
It's not there. It's literally not there whatsoever. You're trying to force an argument that can't be substantiated.
>Why not?
1. It's historically inaccurate.
2. It's illogical.
3. It's not supported in the excerpt or elsewhere in the text.
Your argument boils down to >Christianity bad, so therefore bad.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Historically inaccurate >In a book about God
????
>but uh what if it was like this >your rapist is willing to rape you but not threaten you with violence to silence you so they aren't discovered >straight to hell
you are an oxygen thief and I take comfort in knowing that I won't be sharing any with you when we both die.
>The Bible says to stone a woman who claims she was raped, but didn't scream for help. The assumption is that, if she didn't fight or call for help, she's lying and it was consenting adultery.
God this is so relevant today. We should have listened.
Why would you lie about this? Deuteronomy 22:23-24 >If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.
Lol and people wonder why nobody believes in this retarded shit anymore.
Neither do, and the Quran explicitly condemned such behaviour.
It's because in the ancient world women were considered as accessories to their men, whether it be their father or husbands. "Rape" wasn't a concept, so a woman getting raped is just her committing the crime of premarital sex or infidelity.
I think I've heard that St. Augustine was one of the first people we know of who actually put into writing the idea that rape victims were actually, y'know, victims. Not saying the idea originated from him, but it shows that the idea didn't start floating around the Mediterranean-adjacent cultures until the first few centuries C.E.
Meanwhile Vedic India recognized six "forms of marriage," of which two, the rakshasa and paishacha forms describe rape - the first involving the violent kidnapping of a woman, usually in a raid on her family or clan, and the second involving having sex with a woman who is asleep, intoxicated, or mentally challenged. Both of these forms were strictly forbidden.
She'd rather ruminate on her past than do anything about the present
Wanting to do something is one of the 3 basic requirements for a person to sin. Thus, people do not become sinners when they're raped >but they let the rape stay at a rape and not turn it into a murder
Read the books you cope about before seething next time
Since the rest of you homosexuals are retarded, the verse in question (Bible/Torah) is that if a woman gets raped but didn't call for help, she's to be stoned - as in, if she cheated on her husband but then played "I WAS RAPED" as a get out of jail card.
You can thank the Catholic church and the Popes. They have been controlling and erasing human history, removing and marks of the divine so the church can say "dude, trust us!" when they say something.
If you are going to be so binary, then so is Protestantism, especially since a lot of the fundamental ideas Protestantism is based on are fucking retarded
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Catholicism may be flawed, but at least it has the traditions behind it that Protestantism denied to create a soulless version of Christianity. Protestants forsaked the ritual power of mass and the power of saints for a bunch of crackers shaking their hands up in the air
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Protestantism is basically just judaism 2.0 at this point, like judaism but without even the soul that judaism has. Why Protestants hate mysticism I don’t know, but you can never trust anyone who hates mysticism to have good intentions - ever
Boheme was one of the few good protties
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>Why Protestants hate mysticism I don’t know
It's because they believe the Bible. Which condemns witchcraft and sorcery.
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You don’t know what witchcraft or sorcery even are, you would call Jesus Himself and His apostles a witch
Anyway, everyone does magic all the time without thinking, guess we have to burn everyone on earth
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>Anyway, everyone does magic all the time without thinking, guess we have to burn everyone on earth
Yes. You are describing the main theme of the Bible.
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> Mark 3:28–30: "Truly I tell you, people will be forgiven for their sins and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin—for they had said, "He has an unclean spirit.""
Better check your blasphemy against the Holy Spirit
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>Deuteronomy 18: 10~12 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, practices divination or conjury, interprets omens, practices sorcery, casts spells, consults a medium or spiritist, or inquires of the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD. And because of these detestable things, the LORD your God is driving out the nations before you.
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>believing modern translations >selectively picking from the human made Torah to decide what’s true or not
Why do you eat bacon? Do you wear mixed fabrics?
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The death and resurrection of Christ was a fulfillment of the Ceremonial Law.
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So why did he say he came to uphold the law? Why doesn’t this apply to magic?
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Could you post the verse?
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>Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. >8 For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished
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>but to fulfill
And?
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>Why do you eat bacon
because I don't believe in your ridiculous retard religion, it's just funny to point out how pants on head retarded a person would have to be to believe any of this shit
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yeah. That's why I stopped believing in made up nonsense like evolution and climate change, and now believe in the real living God.
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Then your opinion is fucking irrelevant, you have to actually believe and practice a religion to comment on it. I don’t have any fucking delusions that I am able to comment on what a Buddhist should or shouldn’t do, or how they should follow their religion when they know from personal spiritual experience what it all means more than I ever could even if I read every single Buddhist text, so shut the fuck up and have a sense of self-awareness you abhorrent know-it-all
I already knew this passage, everyone knows this passage, you thought I never read it? Are you a joke of a human being? you narcissistic toddler, get a brain
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Nothing is more irritating then an atheist telling a religious person how they should follow their own religion, especially when they act like they know their religion more than them or what it means more than them, and when the atheist interpretation is identical to the most normalfag low iq fundamentalist interpretation - like literally shut the fuck up
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what pathetic and limp wristed faith you have >Catholicism may be flawed, but
You're no different than the pharisees that Christ condemned.
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I am saying that none of them are perfect, but that Protestantism is by far the worst of the bunch imo
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Honestly, I think one of those neo-Gnostic churches might be the best of both worlds
Catholicism, fundamentally, is about submission the pope. Catholics have such a broad range of contradictory beliefs, that the only real definition you can give it, is that it's that you submit to a cult that denies Christ in favor of an old dude that rapes kids.
My israeli fiction is self-hating israelite fiction appropriated by European society into something better. It's superior.
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Why not instead write your own superior European fiction and purge it of israelite influence entirely? You don't need the fucking israelite and you certainly don't need a master and its lash over your back to be a good man. And if you do, then you are never going to be a good man and are just a slave under threat of retaliation lest you behave.
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Because forgetting isn't an option. Forgetting means making the same mistakes of the past and forgoing God as living history. It happened and the only based israelite to have ever lived and died changed history for the better.
You seem to think what brings people to God is fear, or a need to give the reins to something greater. It's not. Nietzsche was absurdly wrong in this regard, though in practice we did see a low period of heretic protestantism leading to these societal ills, and atheism as the reaction to it. The precepts Christ presents to you are only a nudge into becoming a better man. This is by far the biggest difference between the OT and the NT if you've actually read the Bible. Not that I'd expect you to.
They certainly weren’t stupid just because their morals are outlandish to us, the books in the bible are themselves collections of things that began as word of mouth stories, and then the most qualified priests would modify or write these texts. These people were more intelligent than you think they were, they knew what they were doing, and that includes allegories (some allegories are based on cultural references probably long lost to us, but that which would be obvious for the time. There are probably so many parts of the Bible that we take seriously, that might have been crude sexual jokes or something)
>80 iq desert peasants
The Ancient israelites were one of the most literate ancient peoples and the New Testament was written during the height of Rome.
>Both the bible and quran command rape victims to be stoned to death
Complete feminist bullshit. In some countries adultery is a death sentence but the only out is in the case of rape but since it's the only path out all women will claim rape to try to save themselves but that's not good enough, they have to prove it and not just claim it.
Feminists basically go, since women would never lie about such a thing, they phrase it as women get killed for being raped, just like your homosexual ass just did
They need corroborating evidence or witnesses since obviously any one that can use it as a defense will, but then feminists spin this as women's testimony being worth less than a man's.
So homosexuals like you use this as evidence of how badly women are treated all the while the guy is dead because he has no out unlike her.
>Feminists criticize Islam >Import a bunch of Muslims saying "they are not like the rest of them" >Muslims rape the women >Half of the women let themselves be raped so the Muslims won't get deported >The other half are forced to pay a fine for court fees as the rapist walks off free and smiling
*shrug*
Its honestly better for all of society if you just put rape victims out to pasture. They will never recover or be normal ever again and the chances of them perpetrating rape on others multiplies.
That her existence is a complete pain and any type of treatment will never solve the violence and repulsive act she suffered? At the end she just accepts that she will never find happiness and accept that her legendary "ITS TRAUMA"™ sticker will forever hunt her.
Not that it wasn't justified, but she did also kill her parents.
The people in Silent Hill 2 aren't being punished for objective moral wrongs, they are mentally suffering and feel guilty, which the town manifests into reality as a form of nightmarish self punishment.
Silent Hill hasn't decided she is "bad" or "deserves it", but on some level she thinks she does, which is why it calls to her to feed it pain and suffering to make manifest.
She also killed her family and ran away. The trio lured to Silent Hill had a connection to the place and their guilt and trauma led them back. This isn't to fix them it's goal is to literally let their wish of punishment come true. You see their graves for instance and Walter whatever was also in the graveyard.
Each represents an aspect of James: >Angela - the depresso suicidal >Eddy - the psychotic murderer
The game is open to interpretation lmao, your own take is also just a theory, it's a lot like Dark Souls in that there's no definitive explanation of wtf actually happened
>Sometimes I wish they would spell out the story so retards like you can stop spouting stupid fucking theories
Occam's Razor. Just keep to what the games say and then assume that the writers would want you to think something only if they put it in the game. You can endlessly speculate but it's mostly pointless.
Maria can leave with James too, because they're both just his schizo delusions in the first place.
>Maria can leave with James too, because they're both just his schizo delusions in the first place.
Maria conveniently ducks out whenever she has a chance to interact with anyone but James. I'm not sure if others could even see her, or if they'd just see what she turns into at the end of the game. She's basically just another town monster, but given juuuust enough sentience to self-reflect but unable to control her descent into madness.
Purity as a contrast to the main three weirdos. It's very key that she does not experience a Silent Hill filled with monsters, but rather an abandoned town. It's why she's able to get around town by just walking when James has such a hard time since the roads are all dead.
In Leave, she’s supposed to be another reference to Jacob’s Ladder, since the way James and Laura walk into the distance is very similar to how the movie ends.
Its not that she's literally in hell, she's mentally fucked from it and went to a place where her trauma is physically manifested only for her. Did you just miss the entire point of the SH games or something?
Onions Hill isn't hell, it's a magnet for the obsessed.
/V/'s Silent Hill would be full of women and trannymonsters trying to swallow you into their bleedging gashes.
Silent hill is an astral manifestation of some sort of dark aspect of someone’s or somethings (in terms of a cult or demonic goddess) being brought into the material world, sometimes that astral manifestation comes as heavenly if someone is innocent (truly innocent, like a child), a literal manifestation of one’s own demons.
Nah, that ritual is straight up to summon pain and agony specifically so the god knows about it and instead creates “paradise” (because obviously a god like being summoned from oain and agony would be a good thing).
Yeah which is why all she was able to summon (as a child) was her biggest fears (one being a literal demon like creature. But nothing angelic of any sort.
I didn’t get the impression that Dahlia herself wanted paradise, she was just a black magician who wanted to create a world of suffering so that she could have power and she used the cult towards that end
Onions Hill isn't hell, it's a magnet for the obsessed.
/V/'s Silent Hill would be full of women and trannymonsters trying to swallow you into their bleedging gashes.
She also killed her family and ran away. The trio lured to Silent Hill had a connection to the place and their guilt and trauma led them back. This isn't to fix them it's goal is to literally let their wish of punishment come true. You see their graves for instance and Walter whatever was also in the graveyard.
Each represents an aspect of James: >Angela - the depresso suicidal >Eddy - the psychotic murderer
And James can pick his own path.
And Laura represents....
Pretty sure she's not real.
Silent Hill is a normal tourist town with normal people living in it, retards. At the start of the 20th century bunch of cultists who came to town created their own secret organization known as "The Order" and started doing rituals that created another dimension known as the "Otherworld". The Otherworld can be only entered by a very small percentage of people who either have traumatic experiences or are cultists who know how to open portals to it. Otherworld changes the look of the environment and monsters that live in it in order to adjust to the trauma of every individual person and create a personalized version of their own hell.
Angela was deeply mentally damaged so Otherworld appeared to her with burning flames to symbolize the fact that the mental scars her brother and father inflicted on her will hunt her for the rest of her life. Eddie was frustrated with people making fun of him and looking down on him his whole life which led him towards torturing animals in frustration and later even killing people, that's why he sees cold dead bodies of animals. James killed Mary because she was taking his life away from him while she was slowly dying in the hospital, that's why James sees deformed virus-like pieces of flash, sexualized nurses (hinting at the fact that he probably wanted to have sex with one of the nurses in the hospital out his sexual frustration), and an idealized version of Mary that keeps brutally dying in order to remind him of his sin and selfishness. Laura doesn't see monsters because she doesn't have any traumas. She could enter the Otherworld only because James needed her to get to the truth.
>created another dimension known as the "Otherworld".
The games make the point starting in 2 that weird shit has been happening for ages before the Cult, and that the natives felt the area held special spiritual powers, and past events include executions at a POW camp, several disasters with mass casualties, and entire groups of people vanishing. So whatever it is, it predates the Cult. The details are kept vague intentionally.
>Otherworld changes the look of the environment and monsters that live in it in order to adjust to the trauma of every individual person and create a personalized version of their own hell.
Bzzt. It's not trying to do anything it seems. In 1 it's entirely implied this is a specific event due to Alessa's psychic powers and the cult putting a demon baby in her. After that it's anyone's guess. Might be just the town's spiritual powers reacting to people's strong emotions, which are mostly the negative ones. 2 is the one that tries to create a sequel by distancing itself from Alessa's experiences. You could summize the town always had this possibility, or that Alessa changed it and some latent power is left over for James, Eddie, and Angela to react to.
2 is actually a prequel to 1. 1 takes place in 1983 according to one of the files when you use a text editor, and 2 was stated to be anywhere from the late 70s to early 80s.
What a fucking hand waving way of explaining Laura dumbass. Her existence moots your stupid ass points about Silent Hill.
Silent Hill exists in its state as a ghost town in the real world. Nobody lives there anymore. Laura is there because she wants to find Mary, and that was the only place she knew about.
Also James killed his wife partly because she asked him to do it. He felt guilty because he wanted to for selfish reasons.
> Silent Hill exists in its state as a ghost town in the real world. Nobody lives there anymore.
Devs confirmed people still live there, in fact you can see the technology of sh change from silent hill 2 to 3 where Brookhaven has computers when it didn’t in 2
That's extremely stupid and probably only became an idea for 3 (the shitty one). When someone gets mental trauma in Silent Hill do they suddenly poof out of existence? What if for a brief moment I feel mental anguish, do I pop in and out?
Makes more sense that the cultists are secretly updating the infrastructure.
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Silent hill is an occult series, occultism posits that reality is a sort of illusion and can be sculpted. They are in the same plane, but it’s like how being schizophrenic and taking drugs makes you see reality differently, that’s the sort of thing, the point of silent hill is that reality is extremely different from individual to individual > When someone gets mental trauma in Silent Hill do they suddenly poof out of existence?
Not really about having mental trauma, more so if you are experiencing the effects of the town then the dark power behind it (I guess you could the goddess) has a reason to use you. People with mental hang ups can be easily exploited by the goddess as a sort of sacrifice, and to spread her essence around. But there are many people in silent hill, living there, who are mentally broken and are in the ‘real world’ primarily. Brookhaven hospital, I am sure many of the inmates are like in between the other world and the real world, also if you just have some trauma and depression and live in silent hill that doesn’t mean you get called by otherworld or something. Silent hill is a depressing town at this point, pretty sure that a lot of people who live there are unhappy, doesn’t mean they experience the otherworld. Some people do, some people just don’t
Laura might have been able to interact with both people in the ‘real world’ and with James etc.
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>occultism posits that reality is a sort of illusion and can be sculpted.
That isn't a belief, that's what occultism tries to do. It's a form of witchcraft in which wizards use spells to cast illusions on people; to warp reality.
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Occultism tries to do many things, depending if you are left hand path or right hand path
Theurgy is about aligning yourself with the divine, Goetia your base desires being made into reality, or maybe you could use Goetia to keep the darker aspects of yourself in check and controlled by angels. Occultism depends on the person
Jesus fucking christ. Actually, play the games before engaging in online discussions about them. Silent Hill is a normal resort town full of people living in it. In Silent Hill 4 the main character Henry Townshend literally mentions that he loves traveling to Silent Hill and taking pictures there because of the lively atmosphere and a lot of nice tourists everywhere. In SH3 Douglas comments on how Silent Hil ways always a very nice little town and when he gets there with Heather, they are both weirded out by the fact that no one is there. That's because both Heather and Douglas don't know that they both entered the Otherworld dimension. (You) also have modern brochures in the town that describe all the lively places and popular attractions as well
The only time period where the town didn't have a big population was a pretty early period somewhere before the 20th century when a lot of buildings got burned due to "certain" events. Meny decades later somewhere In the '60s or '70s, an important member of The Order named Dahlia Gillespie performed an important ritual on her daughter Alessa Gillespie which required setting her body on fire in order to give bigger strength to the "God" that she was supposed to birth. Other than that, Silent Hill exists in modern times that og 4 game took place, as a really popular and "safe" town for a lot of tourists and the existence of The Order residing in the town wasn't common knowledge
>Actually, play the games before engaging in online discussions about them.
It's ok, he watched a youtuber talk about the game, thats why SH4 is an underrated classic!
>created another dimension known as the "Otherworld".
The games make the point starting in 2 that weird shit has been happening for ages before the Cult, and that the natives felt the area held special spiritual powers, and past events include executions at a POW camp, several disasters with mass casualties, and entire groups of people vanishing. So whatever it is, it predates the Cult. The details are kept vague intentionally.
>Otherworld changes the look of the environment and monsters that live in it in order to adjust to the trauma of every individual person and create a personalized version of their own hell.
Bzzt. It's not trying to do anything it seems. In 1 it's entirely implied this is a specific event due to Alessa's psychic powers and the cult putting a demon baby in her. After that it's anyone's guess. Might be just the town's spiritual powers reacting to people's strong emotions, which are mostly the negative ones. 2 is the one that tries to create a sequel by distancing itself from Alessa's experiences. You could summize the town always had this possibility, or that Alessa changed it and some latent power is left over for James, Eddie, and Angela to react to.
That's extremely stupid and probably only became an idea for 3 (the shitty one). When someone gets mental trauma in Silent Hill do they suddenly poof out of existence? What if for a brief moment I feel mental anguish, do I pop in and out?
Makes more sense that the cultists are secretly updating the infrastructure.
Jesus fucking christ. Actually, play the games before engaging in online discussions about them. Silent Hill is a normal resort town full of people living in it. In Silent Hill 4 the main character Henry Townshend literally mentions that he loves traveling to Silent Hill and taking pictures there because of the lively atmosphere and a lot of nice tourists everywhere. In SH3 Douglas comments on how Silent Hil ways always a very nice little town and when he gets there with Heather, they are both weirded out by the fact that no one is there. That's because both Heather and Douglas don't know that they both entered the Otherworld dimension. (You) also have modern brochures in the town that describe all the lively places and popular attractions as well
The only time period where the town didn't have a big population was a pretty early period somewhere before the 20th century when a lot of buildings got burned due to "certain" events. Meny decades later somewhere In the '60s or '70s, an important member of The Order named Dahlia Gillespie performed an important ritual on her daughter Alessa Gillespie which required setting her body on fire in order to give bigger strength to the "God" that she was supposed to birth. Other than that, Silent Hill exists in modern times that og 4 game took place, as a really popular and "safe" town for a lot of tourists and the existence of The Order residing in the town wasn't common knowledge
Silent hill is a fantastic series but the rules on how the town works are obviously unclear and inconsistent from each game. shrimple as
i never understood why the torture has to be forever
I know when they say forever they mean forever and not something like Until your mind breaks and you can't even be aware of the torture anymore
It isn’t, hell is you torturing yourself with your base desires and evil deeds, heaven is the state where you transcend your earthly self and live to serve others thus you have no desire
Compare to Buddhism and Schopenhauer, the Will leads to destruction, the Will is hell
so the end goal of 90% of religions is to strip people of their free will?
Grim. I can see why religion is considered a tool of social control if their only purpose is to trick people into surrendering all agency and be commanded by "a higher power"
Well actually in the end times when JC comes back everybody in Hell who is now repentant gets once last chance. JC goes down to rescue them and bring them back, the only people who stay in Hell for real after that are people who somehow still dont believe after Revalations.
christianity also has at it's root the moral obligation to spread its word to "save" as many people as it can, it's a bit different from "we are the chosen people and everybody else is cattle"
but why did God only reveal himself to a few thousand people in the middle east 2000 years ago?
if he's the God of all mankind then why only reveal yourself to 0.0001% of the world?
you're reading way too much into it, at the end of the day it's supposed to be a moral code with additional comfort for our shared afterlife dread
But if i were a priest trying to sell it to you i'd say that it's those few people duty to share the word with the world, and when the messiah returns everyone willing will be granted salvation anyways
By the way as far as the bible goes it's disputed if the modern concept of hell is canon. The original text says that hell is lack of God, so the classical interpretation is that after death it's either nothingness forever or you simply disappear.
I imagine the modern flames and torture thing is more of a marketing ploy because it was hard for medieval peasants to imagine nothingess to be worse than the constant plagues they were going trough
To be truly sinful you need to know you're doing something wrong. Because of this, everyone who lived and died without ever learning about Christianity may be forgiven. This is because God is good and universal, so anyone, anywhere, may live a life intending to do good, and upon death they will recognize God as the source of the good they'd been seeking, and be welcome.
christianity isnt perfect by any means but show me a religion like judaism thats more genocide driven selfish and outright sociopathic in its mission. at least modern christianity is geared toward univeralism and redemption for all
>christianity isnt perfect by any means but show me a religion like judaism thats more genocide driven selfish and outright sociopathic in its mission.
Islam
i dont disagree but i still think judaism eclipses it with how out right wicked it is in trying to subjugate the entire world
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Both christianity and islam would love to make “apostasy” a legally recognized crime. Both can literally kill each other.
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Christianity is fucking waning and withering and has very a faint grip on any institutional power where as israel is holding the entrie world fucking hostage
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Which I’m pretty sure given an ounce of possible authority, either one would love to use the government for religious purposes.
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Islam is steadily approaching that point though as well. It's kind of weird how it's moving though. On one hand they're receiving support from """progressive""" homosexuals who don't understand it's a fucking genocidal religion and just blindy embrace the cock suckers because "THINK OF THE POOR BROWN PEOPLE". On the other hand they're also getting support from cock suckers like /misc/ who apparently don't have a problem with the fuckers doing shit like leveling an entire school with a cement truck filled with HME, killing a fuck ton of civilians on a crowded bazaar with a child suicide bomber, or just senselessly massacring villages as long as they stick it to Israel in the long run.
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yeah i don't mind giving support to Palestinians because they are justified in retaliating but the third worldism support on pol in fucking insane
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But israelites and Muslims existed in old Christian ruled states, and israelites and Christians exist and have existed in Muslim ruled states
hell doesn't even exist in the bible, anon.
there's only a mention of a dark place, far, far away from the grace of god, and you really don't want to be there.
all the hell jive comes from the divine comedy, that's pretty much a bible fanfic made by the equivalent of a "i'm always right, you're always wrong" web comic artist.
>revelation explicitly talks about a lake of fire where people get tormented forever
mistake in translation, the lake of fire is more about eternal destruction, which IMO means people who won't go to heaven will have their souls be destroyed
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this >the wages of sin is DEATH >whoever believes in me shall not PERISH
"death" and "being kept alive in a state of conscious torment" are not the same thing
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exactly, the second death is that, eternal death.
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>exactly, the second death is that, eternal death.
No. The second death is when you carve a hole in your face and turn it into a portal to hell.
Just your typical atheist version of hell that has been popularized for a long time >You only go to hell if you feel guilt even if you are a good person >So as long as you don't feel bad about killing this useless ethnic group you won't go to hell!
I don't remember number 5. Is she from Shart Memories?
It's Hanna from Silent Hill Arcade released in 2007 shortly after Team Silent was disbanded. She's the ghost of a girl who died in a Toluca sinking ship mentioned in SH2.
(You) mean Lady Fukuro? I think she's one of the old Goddesses that The Order used to worship along with Valtiel. Both of them are running around locations in SH3 trying to catch each other for some reason. Valtiel is a God of rebirth so every time Heather dies he just revives her back to life (sometimes you get a special cutscene where he suggestively drags Heather's body with him). Lady Fukuro on the other hand has no relation to Heather from what I remember. She looks like one of the Buble Head Nurses so I guess she has some connections to Alessa and is possibly a reincarnation of Lisa.
I wish you homosexuals would stop pushing this fucking head canon. Fukuro is not the bitch that appears in SH3, that's a completely different nurse character. Fukuro is just an art project.
OOOOUUUUUUUuuuuuhhhh... Laura a cute and bratty little orphan dicky girl.... Ouuhhhhhh... a true canon adopted daughteru that gives James' another chance in life by taking care of someone just like Mary wanted him to... Ouuhhhhhh... She deserves full correction before and after adoption... Ouuhhhhhh... I can hear her theme playing in the background as she gets fully deserved correction after rudely kicking her future father... Ouuhhhhhh....
>During the development of SH3 all the male members of Team Silent at Konami wanted Heather to dress really conservatively, mature, and wear pants >All the female members on the other hand wanted her to look a lot more girly, young, cute, and dress in much more revealing and sexy outfits showing her legs and such >Female members won and made official renders like pic related to promote the game and this idea even more
Based Japanese women. Take me back
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Hey hey hey hey hey. HEY. I can fix her and I will
4. I love my wife's big head.
>tfw no bombshell party animal neighbor girl next door gf with mommy vibe, (You) are creeping on for a week through a hole in the wall while trying to survive in Sullivan's Otherworld in Ashfields and later saving her from Kurt Cobain cultist serial killer and preventing the end of the world
why even live
>live next door to Eileen >Have to walk her to and from the bar every single day >she walks insanely slowly >can't go to far ahead of her or she'll start puking and go into convulsions >Everyone you walk by wants to kick the shit out of her so you're constantly trying to fight them off to and from the bar
James dies at the end
Pyramid Head is Eddie
Maria is real and Mary never existed
All monsters have Maria's face under their mannequin rubber skin
James is Harry Mason's father's, brother's, nephew's, cousin's, former roommate
Angela isn't there seeing fire because Silent Hill is angrily condemning her and thinking she deserves to be punished. Angela is there because she herself believes she deserves what happened to her.
The town in Silent Hill 2 isn't an omnipotent judge trying to make a moral point. It's a mirror to the characters' personal demons. Their own guilt, grief, paranoia, self loathing, sexual frustration, and anger made manifest.
>Silent Hill is a therapist
Worst possible interpretation of 2. Absolutely hate pseuds for popularising it. The town is malicious, it's not trying to solve their issues - it's their nightmares brought to life.
is this the new jidf/reddit tactic?
justaposing christianity with islam when they have nothing in common?
christianity has nothing to do with islam and judaism
in fact protestants aren't even real christians anyway
>justaposing christianity with islam when they have nothing in common? >christianity has nothing to do with islam and judaism
Are you fucking retarded?
>So why do Christians consider the old testament (the torah) part of the bible
to show how israelites are shit and God took gave the king of heaven to the goyim >and Muslims consider the bible a holy book?
because it stole from already religion to make itself look more legit
it's like a guy saying he knows some celebrity to fuck chicks but it's a lie
I really don't get how people interpret Silent Hill as some mental prison, not being real. In 1, it manifests itself into a hellscape because its all the mental anguish of Alessa, and she's powerful as fuck. It's the same shit in 2 but with normal people who happen to show up for one reason or another, so their nightmare is self-contained.
>That would make Silent Hill 4 not canon as Silent Hill would be rubble by that point
You never go to the real silent hill in silent hill 4 and there is a picture of sh1's lighthouse that when you examine it Henry mentions rumors about UFO sightings in there.
>That would make Silent Hill 4 not canon as Silent Hill would be rubble by that point
You never go to the real silent hill in silent hill 4 and there is a picture of sh1's lighthouse that when you examine it Henry mentions rumors about UFO sightings in there.
>Rumors of one of the new silent hill games being about the destruction of the town >Schizo UFO ending anon was right the entire time
anon, she's not in hell because she was raped to madness by her old man.
she's in hell because she developed a victim complex so fucked up that every time she tried to bond with someone, her ptsd kicks in and murders her friend/partner in horrible ways.
the worst thing is that she learned to enjoy it, and then the troll remorse kicks in, blames her victim complex and call it a day.
She murdered her father and brother and she's on a quest to find and murder her mother as well. Her mix of guilt with anger and revenge create her own Otherworld.
Jesus just said you should be nice to each other.
If the relationship is consensual and both people understand and agree to it, who cares.
The guy redeemed whores as long as they wanted to be better.
Corinthians 6:9-10
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"
Note that this is KJV which is ultra israeli and mistranslated "arsenokoitai" as "abusers of mankind" when really it means homosexuals.
>"they look like monsters to you?" >25 billion hours of retards theorising on this for decades >totally ignore that he says "lol just kidding :)" afterwards
This is especially funny since Vincent shits on Claudia hard for manifesting such a fucked up hellscape in the finale.
I'm pretty sure most people who try to theorize on that line didn't actually play the game.
I still don't understand why he didn't agree to be with her when she offered. Seems like an okay girl, and it's not like he has another girl waiting for him lol.
It's exactly as she says: he couldn't have given her what she needed. >Will you love me? Take care of me? Heal all my pain? >That's what i thought. Lives eternally in my head.
A husband can't "rape" his own wife (legally speaking) - at least that is how it used to be until the israelites won WW2 and ruined literally everything for everyone on the entire planet.
>explain X in a way without the important factor of X
Why is it that you people always have to engage in this dishonest behavior?
Truth bombs about Christianity:
no human (besides the anti Christ if he's a human) will go to hell
Jesus forgives everyone
Life on earth was never meant to be fair or good or anything positive...it also isn't meant to be bad too, it's just life and it's mostly random on wheter it's shit or nice.
God loves you and you'll live happily in heaven for all eternity.
>dishonest
Abraham's actions are only acceptable if you choose to believe him when he says his god is real. If someone doesn't believe in or know about his god he is just a random criminal.
Nowhere in the Bible does Abraham tell anyone about God. The first time this happens is with Moses confronting Pharaoh to tell him to free his people from slavery. In which Pharaoh is confused and said he doesn't know what God he was talking about, which also proves my first point.
Truth bombs about Christianity:
no human (besides the anti Christ if he's a human) will go to hell
Jesus forgives everyone
Life on earth was never meant to be fair or good or anything positive...it also isn't meant to be bad too, it's just life and it's mostly random on wheter it's shit or nice.
God loves you and you'll live happily in heaven for all eternity.
That doesn't seem very consistent with other parts of the new testament and I've never met a Christian that didn't believe in eternal torture in Hell. What denomination are you?
Christians who believe in eternal torture are just people who didn't get the scriptures in the bits where it talks about hell, I'm just a normal baptist.
Well, could you elaborate? According to you basically every Christian I've ever met misinterpreted the scriptures. I remember a lot of talk about gnashing teeth, lakes of fire?
>According to you basically every Christian I've ever met misinterpreted the scriptures.
NTA but is that surprising to you? Basically every Christian I've ever met also believes in stuff like Lucifer and Satan. None of them read the Bible, they all just follow the ever-changing pop culture.
Didn't Jesus meet with Lucifer in the desert? I mean I'm almost sure that was in scripture. I used to be a Christian. How could you say there isn't a devil or Satan in the Bible?
Protip: if you grew up in America just assume you know literally nothing about Christianity. Anything you learned from other Americans or general cultural osmosis is guaranteed to be wrong.
That entire continent was a disaster for the state of Christianity. Come to think of it, it does the same to every religion that ends up on its shores.
I'm pretty sure eternal torture in Hell as a cultural idea far predates the U.S.A..
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The entity Jesus meets in the wilderness is only referred to as "devil." It's in Matthew 4 if you want to see for yourself.
I can't fully elaborate cause it's a lot of stuff to talk about and I don't remember everything from it, but basically, every mention of a lake of fire is a reference to a big garbage dump who was from time to time lit on fire and that all we know about souls who won't go to heaven is that something bad will happen to them, the eternal death...which doesn't mean eternal torture, it means eternal nothing
In fact, people who die don't go to heaven nor hell or whatever for now, they're just waiting for God to return, no normal human is in heaven right now, In my view not going to heaven just means this will never change, you'll die and stay dead.
Protip: if you grew up in America just assume you know literally nothing about Christianity. Anything you learned from other Americans or general cultural osmosis is guaranteed to be wrong.
That entire continent was a disaster for the state of Christianity. Come to think of it, it does the same to every religion that ends up on its shores.
>implying this is a waiting room >implying man doesn't have freedom of choice
C'mon now, don't let all your fans down!
Didn't Jesus meet with Lucifer in the desert? I mean I'm almost sure that was in scripture. I used to be a Christian. How could you say there isn't a devil or Satan in the Bible?
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I'm pretty sure eternal torture in Hell as a cultural idea far predates the U.S.A..
Hmmyeah Hell is as old as the need for coinage. Gotta keep the coffers full. Plus Satan is a super cool dude. Guy did a backflip off a rail last week, no bullshit dude. Guy's a LEGEND.
I think the important part of the Bible that a lot of people don't seem to understand is that God, through out all of the Bible, including the old testament, DOES love us, it's full of stories about man constantly disobeying God but he's constantly giving them second and third chances when we don't fucking deserve it, this trait was even foreign to the israelites who worshipped him and spread his word, the story of Jonah is about one of his prophets completely shocked that God actually spared and saved the ninevites
>Silent Hill 2-3 are masterpieces >Buuuut, yeah, the voice acting is trash, but it's supposed to be that way
Why so many SH fans think this? The VA is superb.
Reminder that even if they consider Christians to have gone astray muslims still recognize Jesus as the messiah who will come back at the end of the world.
Anyone who tries to put Christianity and Islam against each other while ignoring the third abrahamic religion is a israelite the likes of which will be punished in such a way that Sodom and Gomorrah will seem like a slap on the wrist.
The work of Islam would make Jesus puke. That's not even in question.
Too violent, too angry, too vengeful. Vengeance is an intrinsically chaotic sin, society cannot function correctly when it's not controlled. The purpose of a legal system is to alleviate an individual from the burden of vengeance, so that it doesn't escalate into larger scale conflict. Islamic law seems designed to help them indulge in it, whether it's flogging or stoning, beheading or acid, or Anfal campaigns.
It's so awkward when I hear a Muslim say "oh, you know, we actually respect and acknowledge Jesus!" I can't reciprocate the sentiment for Islam's prophet.
it's all bullshit anyway, muslims just pretend to respect christians before they gain enough power to start murdering them
just look at countries in the middle east like Lebanon
I can't return any so called respect a muslim gives me because I know deep down he's dreaming of pouring acid on my face
Been a while since I've played SH2. Why was Laura in the town? I remember she was with Mary at the same hospital, but why is she STILL in the town? Isn't the whole place deserted? Hasn't it been like a month since Mary died?
Laura still lives there because people are still there. The place is specified as a resort that people often visit for the sightseeing views. Hell if you revisit the area the first monster appears you can see police tape up which may imply you probably killed some homeless man.
SH2 happens no more than a few days after James killed Mary.
Mary was let from the hospital some time before that because the doctors decided that her case was hopeless and that she could at least spend her last days at home.
She and Laura were in a hospital that wasn't in Silent Hill (she wouldn't remind James of the town in her letter otherwise).
The town isn't deserted or full of monsters. That's just how the fogworld and otherworld look to James, Eddie and Angela. Laura either sees an empty or normal town.
Where do all these details come from?
I never found any information that bucked the “two years ago” from the start, and I thought he smothered her in her hospital bed?
Some facts are from the novelization or can be uncovered if you analyze some details in-game (Rebirth Ending shows that James still has access to Mary's body, Laura never acknowledges any monsters).
Mary has gotten ill 3 years ago and James (after repressing the memories of what he did) decided that was actually the date of her death. He killed her in their house, you can see her lay there the same way James remembers it in the In Water ending.
Oh yeah I’m totally on board with that part. Anyone who doesn’t understand that people see Silent Hill differently hasn’t understood Silent Hill at all.
I guess I never got the rebirth ending so the particulars for that ritual and all that will have passed me by
The entire point of the 3 games is an inversion of religious truths, a christian-style cult being perverted with dark heathenry, but it's also about the loss of innocence and how we torment ourselves.
Angela isn't in "Hell" as a punishment for something she did. Rather, she's in Hell because that's where her family put her, and it's been eating at her mind, and there's nothing that can make it better.
So in the end, all she can do is burn away, the flesh, the squelching holes, the tears she shed in the hopes that someone would care for her. I don't think the game is necessarily saying she's damned for it. That's a little too Abrahamic for a game made in Japan. Fire symbolizes a lot of different things in religion, even within the same book. It's purifying.
In charge of two people with only one rule and he immediately lost control to a talking snake.
Two people later and fratricide gets invented for no compelling reason, and these are all people who knew God personally and face-to-face.
Shitty leader. Not to mention he’s supposed to be perfect and everything he created is not perfect.
At first he was literally the only thing that existed and he immediately starts lowering the bar.
I think the symbolism of Genesis is lost on you.
For starts, it's not obvious that God intended for Adam and Eve to remain in the Garden of Eden in the first place, much like a good mother does not expect her child to remain in the womb.
Cain and Abel had little to do with "leadership" and more to do with the corruption of Cain's heart. He fell short of his brother's example and resented him to the point of murder. That's not an issue of leadership.
I prefer calling it "subtext."
The stories are thousands of years old, with different versions and translations. It should not be a surprise that you do not know as much as you think about them.
>He fell short of his brother's example and resented him to the point of murder.
Actually Cain sacrificed his brother, Abel, as an offering to God.
I don't think God would have rejected him, then. A sacrifice is intrinsically not a selfish thing. Cain was immensely selfish when he killed his brother.
Selfishness isn't inherently wrong, but it's entirely profane.
I'm not gonna read all 400+ replies but no one actually thinks she's being punished for killing her dad and brother right? the town lured her because she's mentally fucked and the fire represents her pain
Fellas I'm going to be honest, I don't believe any of us are going to go to eternal bliss with all of our friends and family and pets if we live by the rules set by a certain group of people and spread their word and donate money to them and all of these super amazing miracles were performed a couple of thousand years ago so we have no proof they were ever performed.
>implying belief isn't brain damage >implying you don't have faith with every step you take; that the earth will not give way >implying your freedom of choice is independent of your connection to eternity >implying there is any enemy >implying you are not worthy of every curse and every blessing that has ever or will ever befall you >implying this is your first time >implying it will ever be your last
Pfffff, yeah ok buddy keep talking....keep making me LAUGH!
Silent Hill, the town, does not punish the evil, it punishes the guilty. People who are haunted by their past and their actions are who Silent Hill likes to fuck with. Laura wasn't necessarily evil for being raped or killing her abusers, but her deep trauma over it all is what puts her in hell. This is horror, not aesop's fables.
she asked for it
Both the bible and quran command rape victims to be stoned to death. Just because you didn't want it doesn't mean you didn't commit adultery.
Isn't that kind of unfair though?
Yes, that's why we don't do it anymore.
2000 years from now, they will probably think some of the things we do today are "unfair" and not do those either.
Like owning pets.
Bible is all kinds of unfair.
Like God literally killed everyone on Earth once.
maybe people should stop fucking up the ass and murdering each other then
Brother, David literally murdered a bunch of people and cut off their foreskins. What the fuck are you talking about?
And he suffered for it. He was not allowed to build the temple.
But he is in heaven now no?
He walked with God to the best of his ability. That is the important thing to remember, he was only a man.
No. See Acts 2:34.
hence why his royal house was destroyed moron, there was no divine approval of David's actions
>god: don't eat this apple
>humans: eat the apple
yeah maybe we do deserve to go extinct
it’s almost like religion is fucking retarded or something. now to wait for one of Ganker‘s tradcath LARPers to further derail the thread, as if anyone on this shit board actually gives a shit about religion
Rules are rules
>tell people to avoid lions
>someone decides to ignore advice and gets attacked by a lion
>we should celebrate their bravery for surviving a lion attack instead of punishing them as an example to others
If people were avoiding lions instead of trying to force them out of places they live and away from captured/killed animals, we would never be on the top of the food chain. Your analogy is just retarded
I'd be impressed if someone fought lions and survived
Hell itself is pretty unfair
>suffer forever because you committed sins in your 70-80 year life
>Live a life full of sin
>Go to a place full of sin when you die
>WHAT THE FUCK THIS IS SO UNFAIR! ACK!
>Live a life full of sin
You could be an altruistic humanitarian and help the poor your entire life but if you don't believe in Jesus you'll go to hell
Christianity has nothing to do with how good of a person you are, it has to do with whether or not you believe in Jesus
The premise of the religion is basically
>you're a sinner because some bitch ate an apple 5000 years ago, you always will be a sinner no matter what you do, so you need to believe in Jesus to save you
>but even though you always will be a sinner, you shouldn't deliberately sin because....uh...reasons
>so yeah, you're a sinner who deserves hell, but also, don't actively sin
So a repentant serial child murderer would go to heaven while an atheist doctor would go to hell
Jeffrey Dahmer is seated at the right hand of God to judge the living and the dead. Does this idea not appeal to you?
>Don't believe in God
>Go to a place where there is no God
sounds fair to me, you get the afterlife you deserve.
More like go to an afterlife that's all fucked up because of God.
Sort of true, but not in the way you mean. God is everything that is good. And because God is everything that is good, that means there is some place where everything is bad, and where God does not exist. Like a Moon has a light side, it has a dark side.
If you live a life full of sin, never have any interest in repenting, or if you spurn God's love for you by not believing in him, then it is only fair and logical that you spend eternity in a place full of sin and far away from God.
So god is literally the kid in picrel?
God is the guy who doesn't like gay homosexual dicks. You are the guy who likes gay homosexual dicks.
Delete this idolatrous image, or you will burn in hell.
Goyim still seethe that they are responsible for their sins, and the chosen master race gets to lifehack their sins away every year.
It's funny how much it just sounds like a really bad scam for a cult
>"Hey you should accept our lord and savior and blindly follow our beliefs because you'll spend an eternity of suffering in Hell after you die if you don't"
>"How do we know you're going to spend an eternity of suffering in Hell? Uhh... well we got this book that says you will"
>"Do we have any concrete proof? No but uh but there's always the possibility right? Do you really want to risk it? Now hurry up and throw some money in this offering basket! Our church needs money for recruitment programs!"
Early church didn’t have the bible or hell, in fact there wasn’t an early church, there were several communities of Christians who all kept the gospel by word of mouth and that’s where the gospels came from. Not to mention all the Gnostic communities, and the Orphite Gnostics (I believe) who were literally wizards and used grimoires and stuff (which is why romans accused Christians of just being sorcerers, which is why early Christianity came to go pretty hard against the magic stuff despite magic being an extremely popular practice among average Christians, no I am not joking there is even a gay monk doing a spell to get another guy to fall in love with him).
The idea of there being one early church is a lie, orthodoxy and the bible came as a response from the marcionite bible which said the God from the Old Testament is evil and the new one good
Hell came much later in Christianity, never mind the concept of an eternal hell
> but if you don't believe in Jesus you'll go to hell
>Christianity has nothing to do with how good of a person you are, it has to do with whether or not you believe in Jesus
That’s Protestantism, and why do you think Jesus is fixed to a superficial understanding of Him? Many people follow Jesus and don’t know it, many people who think they follow him don’t.
> >you're a sinner because some bitch ate an apple 5000 years ago, you always will be a sinner no matter what you do, so you need to believe in Jesus to save you
This is a metaphor for duality in the human mind, and the ability to do evil while knowing evil, we are self-aware unlike an animal, thus we are responsible for our own actions, thus we are sinners
> >so yeah, you're a sinner who deserves hell, but also, don't actively sin
You are experiencing hell right now, we all are
The Gnostic gospel of Mary states that there is no sin, so much as the inner state of sinfulness that sin arises from, selfishness and adultery from your higher cause
>The Gnostic gospel of Mary
I have no dog in this argument but you got to admit that vast majority of religious institutions regard this as heretical. I don't mind if you believe it and talk about it but that's not the church's attitude.
Explains why the globalists hate God and are trying to abolish the concept of sin itself.
This is why I've reached the conclusion that hell isn't made for humans.
I thought you would go to hell only if you aren't regretful or repentant of your sin. So long as you feel guilt, I thought you were worthy of redemption, no?
Depends on which of the 6 gorillion denominations of Godism you follow, brother.
i follow progressive liberal gnosticism
Not even sins really. Under Christian faith just not believing in God is deemed worthy of eternal damnation.
>dedicate your life to helping others
>die after helping countless people
>arrive at pearly gates
>Saint Peter goes "Well yeah you were a pretty good guy and all but you're a buddhist so it's the lake of fire for you!"
It's more so actively blaspheming. You can be a good atheist if you keep your mouth shut. If you go out of your way to attack Christ and the Holy spirit youre fucked.
Dude, you can be a piece of shit and go to heaven because all you need to do is believe that Jesus christ is the messiah. That's it. The only way to the father is through the son. It is explicitly clear on that AND that you don't have to do any good works. Just believe in jesus. Not believing makes you hellbound regardless of anything 'good' you did
It's a blatant misinterpretation of Christianity to believe that sinner automatically means Hell, brush up.
A lot of major religions are full of fucking retarded shit like that. Kind of makes me wonder why Christcucks even worship God when it honestly makes him look just as evil as Satan himself
>Killed every last man, woman, and Child on Earth aside from Noah and his family
>Killed Job's family and ruined his life over what was basically a bet with Lucifer
>Helped Moses """free""" the slaves of Egypt by devastating the country with plagues including one that killed every Egyptian's first born son
>Said freed slaves were basically just made into God's slaves. Any deviations from his religion resulted in death. At one point some fucktards made a golden calf was up on a mountain writing the ten commandments and God had Moses punish the slaves by having him give a bunch of dudes swords and going through the camp cutting down every man, woman, and child in their path
I don't know much about the quaran but I do know mudslimes are just scum in general with no real morals and are massive sensitive snowflakes who fly into homicidal fits of rage over anyone daring to draw their precious pedo prophet
>Killed Job's family and ruined his life over what was basically a bet with Lucifer
It was Satan, not Lucifer, and God didnt do it, Satan did. Satan destroys Job’s house/kills his family etc.The only thing God does is give him twice his shit back.
Always remember boys and girls that these are the kinds of people telling you about the Bible on the internet. People who have never read it and dont know anything about it but pop culture memes.
Nah, in the Bible Satan is basically like "Hey God, I'll bet Job only worships you because he's been so blessed. You should test him."
Instead of going "Fuck off Satan" God's like "You're on, homosexual" and proceeds to kill off Job's family and servants, ruins his fields, and inflict him with lepresy and then goes "Haha he didn't say 'fuck you, God'! What now, homosexual?"
Yeah he gave Job new fields, cured his disease, and a new wife but it still shows that God's an asshole. The Bible tries to insist he was "testing Job" but it was really just a bet between him and one of his now former angels when you get right down to it. The fact that he felt he could just replace Job's precious wife and children with new ones like he's just replacing a cheap lamp he knocked over also makes him seem like a sociopath devoid of any empathy or value for human life.
God believed in Job but thats the extent of his involvement as far as the disasters, Satan afflicted Job with the disasters. The point of the parable is that belief in itself is important even when and precisely because man experiences life from a singular and thus a deficient perspective.
If you knew anything about the Bible or had bothered to even read the parable instead of a wikipedia synopsis of it you would know that Job raises the exact same issues with God that you condemn him for and God says who the fuck are you to ask me about those things. Id expound on why God reacted like that but you honestly arent worth it.
If you're interested try looking at a discussion of Job beyond the bullet points you got off of r/atheism thanks.
>God believed in Job but thats the extent of his involvement as far as the disasters
This is some top grade copium.
If I had the power to prevent something but stood by and did nothing, I would be implicit in the outcome as well.
youd also prove youre a micromanaging asshole who wont give anyone a chance to prove their worth
>kill a bunch of innocent people to test one guy's faith
>this is supposed to be a good thing
Christ naggers are something else.
why are you assuming they're innocent? It was already said at the start of Job that his children were in transgression. And even then they were still sinners, and they had to die at some point for their sins.
For me it's that strange cucking thing that they have as a start for Jesus arc. How can you respect a god that can cuck you and force your wife to bear his child, even though he's omnipotent and can just make the child or cuck some bad evil guy from an enemy religion?
And it's not even that sort of obscure stuff that's normally brought up in these kinds of arguments, it's a pretty big deal in the whole religion. And everybody is fucking fine with it. Wild stuff.
read the bible first before asking this
its literally one of the first things you read
This guy obsessed with cucking is trying to get us to believe he wants to have a serious theological discussion. You need to work on yourself, pal.
The problem here is you thinking that a miracle birth is cuckoldry.
It's still takes a toll on the woman's body, consuming her resources and health. Oh, but you're well aware of this, you're just on your little Internet crusade and argue for the sake of it.
Mary consented to it.
I don't think it's her call to make, she had a husband. People have social institutes for a reason, and if your god goes around violating them then it's some shitty god you've made.
At least they've patched that shit up with Islam.
>I don't think it's her call to make
If she didn't want it it would not happen since it's God directly intervening in human affairs.
Alright, now you're just pretending to be retarded, that's kinda rude.
Nobody cares that a woman wants to be "special" and get knocked up by a powerful self-loving prick. She has a husband and it's his decision because he's the one who provides for her and he's the one who needs her to make children or else they both die in poverty when old. You know, that thing called "marriage" actually has a purpose behind it.
God isn’t just some guy, it’s the omnipotent, omniscient force within anything. God isn’t having sex with anything, God isn’t human, you are anthropormothising something that can’t be compared to people
hurricanes aren't human either and you know what? I don't worship them, framing god as some force of nature and then defending your worship makes you even more retarded, not less.
Let's take an example, let's assume the universe is simulated and the laws of reality are an artificial construction. The "god" you would be describing is the computer processor. That's how stupid your religion sounds to anyone with critical thinking skills
This post reeks of r/athiesm
They come out of the woodwork anytime religious is mentioned. It's like their bat signal.
>placing value on human connections and not wanting to have your family murdered is bad
You sound like a psycho.
No one sane would ever consider this a good deal or a good fucking trade, to be put along with strangers after the people you cared for were killed in some fucking accident and then be told "THIS IS YOUR NEW FAMILY NOW". It is why orphaned children 99% of the time come out fucking broken you worthless lunatic.
it's about unconditional love. When I first read Job I thought it was incoherent too. But the more I contemplated the nature of satan's argument and the arguments between Job and his wife and friends, the more I saw the nuance on what love really is and how it triumphs in a world that seemingly doesn't have it.
The Book of Job, principally, was to dispel certain fallacies that religious people have concerning suffering. The first is that suffering is a sign of God's displeasure, or that you're sinful and deserve it. The second is that doubting in God when you experience unjust suffering is a sin. The third, and arguably most important, is that you can presume to judge God for his action and inaction, when you can possibly see shit on his level.
A lot of these fallacies still exist to this day. Which just tells you that most people are functionally illiterate.
>fallacies
You argue from the standpoint of an imaginary sky wizard existing. There is nothing but fallacies in your writing. Unironically anyone that makes religion the centerpiece of their life and attempts to govern others by its rules should be put together. Every israelite, christcuck and shitslamist should be collectively turned into slop and used to fertilize the planet they have been defiling with their presence and their worthless drivel should be mocked and held up as an example of what not to do. Religions should never be accepted as anything more than a funny theological book club where nerds argue about power levels of their gods.
>edgelord makes the same mistake of arguing from an unproven axiom and then calls for the genocide of three different peoples because they believe differently than him
amazin
Yes, I openly call for your removal from this existence. You are nothing but poison and the suffering you left in your wake throughout history far eclipses anything that I am proposing.
>You are nothing but poison… and suffering…
>he says while advocating for the genocide of billions of people
Obviously the Book of Job is written with the presumption that God exists, considering it's an allegorical story directly addressing the beliefs and attitudes of believers. I'm doing what they call in middle school English classes (as if you ever passed) "engaging with the text".
The only form of engagement this text should have is being carried to the nearest furnace.
>proceeds to kill off Job's family and servants, ruins his fields, and inflict him with leprosy
Makes an entire Reddit post but can’t even get the story right.
Who cares? Job eventually got to have two families in Heaven.
>It was Satan, not Lucifer
>Always remember boys and girls that these are the kinds of people telling you about the Bible on the internet. People who have never read it and dont know anything about it but pop culture memes.
The absolute irony of this post. LARPers are so fucking embarrassing.
You retards can't figure out the very obvious everyday reality that was kept in mind making this rule (in islam, there is no such law in christianity).
When a man and woman commit adultery, it is always presumed that the woman consented, because nobody can know what went on in her mind, especially if nobody beside the rapist witnessed it.
This is a deliberate rule specifically to prevent female adulterers from using rape accusations as a get-out-of-jail-free-card. If you just look the other way and pardon every woman who 'got raped', you know what happens then?
>woman and man commit adultery, both consent to it
>they are caught
>woman simply claims she was raped
>rural village in ancient times, so no way to prove her wrong on this
>man gets stoned to death
>woman gets off scot-free
>women now literally have license to commit capital crimes and are incentivised to get as many men of their own community killed as possible
Muhammed saw all of this coming from a mile away (or it actually did happen and he witnessed it) and said FUCK THAT. NOT IN MY RELIGION!
The mudskins are 100% based for stoning ''''''''''''rape victims''''''''''' (aka women who consented but withdrew it retroactivey to avoid accountability) to death.
you might wanna brush up on your sharia law schizo bro, you cannot prove that adultery happened unless there are 4 male eye witnesses
>switches the subject to proving whether or not adultery occurred in the first place
Try harder, homosexual.
im not the guy you were talking to, i just wanted to point out how retarded you were being.
rape/adultery is harder to prove under shariah law than it is under christian law.
That is not relevant to female adulterers abusing rape accusations as a way to escape accountability. Which is specifically what the post was about. You switched the subject entirely because you couldn't find any faults in it otherwise.
the flaw in your retarded argument is that under shariah law they dont even need to fall back on the rape excuse, unless she gets pregnant she can simply deny any adultery took place and the burden of proof in on the accuser, either get 4 eye witnesses to corroborate your story or she walks away scot free and you get hit a false accusation charge which means 80 lashes for your bitch ass.
TLDR: adultery is easier to get away with in islam and you're just a stupid nagger who has no idea what hes talking about.
Sounds like anon was right and you got blown out but okay bro
>he still can't point out any point where I was wrong
Pathetic
father, brother, son, uncle?
dosent matter, any 4 adult males will do.
and do you want know why you need 4 witnesses specifically?
>Aisha was traveling with Muhammad and some of his followers. She left camp in the morning to search for a lost necklace; when she returned, she found that the company had broken camp and left without her. She waited patiently for half a day, until she was rescued by a man named Safwan and taken to rejoin the caravan.
Malicious tongues started to wag, claiming that she must have been having an affair with Safwan. Some urged Muhammad to divorce his wife. He then received a revelation directing that four eyewitnesses prove adultery, rather than simply inferred from opportunity. One passage of the Qur'an (Q 24:11) is usually taken as a rebuke to those who slandered Aisha: "Verily! They who spread the slander are a gang among you…”
so basically Muhamad was accused of being a cuck and in order to quash the rumors he pulled a convenient ayah out of his ass.
That's great and all, except it punishes actual rape victims too, you retarded goat fucker.
The biblical god is basically just some dude playing the sims. He likes the remove the pool ladder sometimes just to see what happens.
core idea is that she wasn't with her man. That to be alone to get rapped is questionable in a society where it was lawful to kill a man that touched your wife in any way.
>Ezekial 18: 23~32 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die. Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal? Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin. Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel? For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
life's not fair buddy
Life is unfair. Take yourself for example: you're on Ganker. Do you really think you're going to heaven?
life is unfair homosexual
maybe dont go around raping people
No, only the person that committed the rape. The victim is blameless.
Why would you lie about this? Deuteronomy 22:23-24
>If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.
harsh but fair, she should've screamed/fought back more, otherwise it's practically adultery
>Deuteronomy
In other words: non-canon for Christcucks, israelites love it though but that's not surprising.
>Non-canon
Is there a biblical multiverse as well?
The Old Testament is supposed to be treated more like a history book than absolute rules to abide by.
As far as Roman Catholics go, everything in the old testament is non-canon unless otherwise stated in the 4 gospels + epistels
The whole point of big J was "let's dump this dumb bullshit, salvation is for everyone"
Even the gays? Cause most of that gay shit is in the old testament.
Epistel to Romans 1:26–27
It is absolutely considered canon for christians
Ah, so "Thou shall not kill" isn't a rule anymore? Gotcha
Is this a joke? That's in reference to murder, not justified killing.
explicitly not rape
You are a daft motherfucker arent you
>woman lets man have sex with her
>doesn't resist
>"its rape because uh uh uh"
Think before you speak.
But that's wrong, you're quoting out of a post 1960 Bible version.
>22 If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
>23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
>24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
If you're being raped, you would scream for help. This verse is basically for all the whores who were "drunk, drugs, etc". A civilized society the woman would not go into some dark alley with a male she didn't know and then scream rape the next day. IT's also implied that the woman is BETROTHED and went out with some stranger.
>make excuses
Sasuga, christcuck.
illiterate nagger read
>25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:
>26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
And the next literal verses show if the rape was done in some secluded area the woman gets the benefit of the doubt.
So once again the Bible is right and gaytheists like this
are retards and wrong
A little on the nose
whoa
all these years and i didnt know that the bible accounted for secluded forcing
still
how can it be deemed that it was forced on a woman in question and not just a lie based on regret
This is where as fallible people, we stop and give the benefit of the doubt because we cannot know. Thankfully the final judge, God, does know and can administer justice fairly.
>If you're being raped, you would scream for help
not really, a victim will usually be too scared to scream since it might push the guy to beat her to death to shut her up
>did not scream for help
How can you motherfuckers lack basic reading comprehension? I'm not even religious.
Statistically the woman would just be killed/knocked out, and then raped anyway. Seems kinda armchair-ish to expect a human being to consciously chose brutal death and punish them when they don't.
Survival above all is kinda our main thing as species. Too bad religionfags are subhuman.
If people want to survive then why do they sin so much? your argumentation is incredibly incoherent.
I don't care about the technicalities, all I'm pointing out is that anon's lack of reading comprehension. Even if the logic is pretty dumb, the passage clearly states that the woman wasn't rape.
it's clearly implied there that this isn't a rape
>dumb fucking goyim cattle, that's it, you're your own enemies, don't you see?
is that really AI generated tents? you couldn't just pull a regular photo off google?
you see it to huh? for pol users its always like this
Even the religions of ancient civilizations contained ridiculous, misogynistic bullshit like this.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/qvxwax/medusa-greek-myth-rape-victim-turned-into-a-monster
It's just one example of how "rape culture" is a legitimately real thing, but people here don't want to hear that.
Rape wasn't even invented until late XIX century.
The fact that a term to specifically describe violating a woman's right to sexual autonomy didn't exist until relatively recently in human history seems like an argument AGAINST rape culture being real to you?!?
Yes.
Hoo boy. That's...something. Gonna let someone else handle this one.
i got ya. just downvoted that chud
The fact that every crime that could be committed against you is entirely justified by default suggests that to me
>vice
Pagan here. Do not invoke the medusa story, if you have no idea what it means. Paganism isn’t about good and evil and this gnostic bullshit. Medusa is being transformed into a monster, because she represents what happens to raped women. It‘s not a commandment. Paganism is about actually representing the real. It mimics life. When you defeat a people, your God defeats their God. That is why the Greek Gods imprisoned the Titans, when the Indo-Europeans Greeks invaded the cousins of the Minoans, who lived there before. That is why Aryans always have these snake/dragon-killing myths, when conquering semitic people.
Medusa turns into a monster, because real women turn into monsters, when they are raped and can no longer be the innocent, joyful creatures they were before.
Rape culture is also not a real thing. If anything we have a hero culture. The Aryan hero kills a beast, who is kidnapping a woman and then has consensual sex with her. This motive is so old and survives even today in modern movies, where the protagonist gets the girl after saving her from the villain and they kiss in the end.
> Paganism isn’t about good and evil and this gnostic bullshit.
What about neo-platonism
Shut up fag
You just described a society that normalizes stories where women are traded between protagonists and antagonists like currency. Hero culture and rape culture don’t cancel each other out, stupid.
>claims to be pagan
>perpetuates story that was made up by some roman guy in the ADs and propped up by tumblrites to turn Medusa into a.tragic villain
You just described what all neopagans do.
>gnostic
this is how we can tell you're a schizo, I've never seen anybody use that word outside of /x/
you've never been out that much then. A lot of personal documentaries like 3rd Adam bring up gnostic theology and its wide reach in media and art.
>google this
>it's some youtube schizo channel
thanks for proving my point /x/tard
utterly retarded drivel, as expected of a BAPhomosexual
Tits or GTFO
nah, greeks didn't worship their gods in the same way christcucks do, they're aware the gods are retarded cunts, the stories are to show they're just as flawed as men which is why human heroes can change the world
>why human heroes can change the world
nigga 90% of myths are about the fact you can't change fate or about cosmic irony etc
nope, most of the myths of old are about typical people and their shortcomings and how gods and men aren't so different
That is exactly what paganism is; making a god in your own image.
undiagnosed autism
autists can't handle when others think differently than them and they lash out
instead of getting treatment they denounce science and embrace some death cult that let's them be as violent and savage as they like while telling themselves they're "right"
autism is a superpower
>some death cult that let's them be as violent and savage as they like while telling themselves they're "right"
lol tf are you on about schizo
hit a little too close to home for you?
>nope
You didn't disprove anything.
>Daedalus
>Midas
>Oedipus
>Achilles
>Orpheus
All of these got punished for trying to change the natural order of things.
The original story just had Medusa being monstrous sisters. It was only added centuries later that she was a beautiful maiden that was raped.
Learn your history instead of relying on half-witted propagandists, retard-homosexual.
>It was only added centuries later that she was a beautiful maiden that was raped.
I don't know, Zeus turned into a duck and somehow managed to rape somebody like that. If you get raped by a duck that sounds consensual to me.
You will never be loved and it's entirely your fault.
You know the sandnagger who wrote the book just wanted a convenient excuse to get rid of the women he raped.
Yeah sounds alot more like "We don't wanna get in trouble for when WE do it, so we'll use what the Bible says as an excuse".
Bastards.
And thats why Jesus said the Torah was mostly human made bullshit
>not one jot or tittle of the law shall pass
Exactly, and he keeps breaking the Torah, kind of tells you what law he was talking about
Hint: Jesus was the actual law that Jesus came to upheld
Laws in medieval Europe permitted marrying off a woman to her rapist, and often based laws off the OT (like killing apostates,gays,animal rapists)
The notion that most of the Old Testament law is irrelevant and invalid (just because Jesus abrogated parts of it) is a modernist lie. The full blown abandonment of the OT is what lead to Christianity's secularization.
Repent, israelite.
And rape had a different definition back then.
Why would Jesus abrogate parts of it if he upheld it?
Early Christians didn’t even kill gays, at most it was like a small repentance, OT style laws came as the church came as a later development
The Torah was never the law of God, never the law Jesus came to upheld, it was a flawed attempt of humans trying to reach the perfection of the real Torah
why did it take so long for humans to develop empathy and decency?
It took a while for a humanist to work up the balls to make a hoax religion with some actual morals in it instead of the usual power grab bullshit.
people were pretty awful then too, they've gotten progressively less so, but only in the last couple hundred years or so can anyone say anyone's been anything close to decent.
>Lying about religion
>One particular religion is missing for some reason
Shalom
No, you fucking idiots. The Bible says to stone a woman who claims she was raped, but didn't scream for help. The assumption is that, if she didn't fight or call for help, she's lying and it was consenting adultery.
Why would you post this assuming it supports your argument, when it contradicts it? Can you even read what it says there?
I hate how people will asspull the bible everytime.
>God means this LITERALLY
>Well this was an ASSUMPTION
Yeah nah
This isn't some weird Christian assumption; it's common fucking sense that doesn't need to be spelled out. There's absolutely no way to read that verse as saying
>She was raped, which means she deserves to be stoned to death.
It's not there. It's literally not there whatsoever. You're trying to force an argument that can't be substantiated.
Why not? Some people absolutely forget how ridiculous the bible rules are.
Exactly, which is why
>Why not?
1. It's historically inaccurate.
2. It's illogical.
3. It's not supported in the excerpt or elsewhere in the text.
Your argument boils down to
>Christianity bad, so therefore bad.
>Historically inaccurate
>In a book about God
????
>"having a knife held to your throat and threatened to be murdered if you scream"
>Go to hell for not wanting to be murdered
The authors of the bible really were retarded weren't they?
>but uh huh what about if it's like this???
not as retarded as you at least
>but uh what if it was like this
>your rapist is willing to rape you but not threaten you with violence to silence you so they aren't discovered
>straight to hell
you are an oxygen thief and I take comfort in knowing that I won't be sharing any with you when we both die.
>The Bible says to stone a woman who claims she was raped, but didn't scream for help. The assumption is that, if she didn't fight or call for help, she's lying and it was consenting adultery.
God this is so relevant today. We should have listened.
based, we should do this, it would make them think twice before lying about rape
>Both the bible and quran command rape victims to be stoned to death
>bible
But does it also command stoned victims to be raped to death?
Checkmate unatheists.
>people have killed each other for hundreds of years because of the quran written with logic THIS fucking bad
muslims, not even once
proof or get out scholomo
Lost of trannies seething at this post.
Based bible and quran.
Why would I take cavemen who strap bombs to themselves and stone each other seriously?
I unironically have more respect for neanderthals
No they don't. You're an idiot.
Go back to twitter, no one gives a shit.
Lol and people wonder why nobody believes in this retarded shit anymore.
Man, religions are fucking stupid.
You're fucking stupid for believing what you read on the internet.
wait til you hear about peoples politics
Not as stupid as people who believe literally anything they read. At least religious drones are sceptical of things outside of their story books.
Neither do, and the Quran explicitly condemned such behaviour.
It's because in the ancient world women were considered as accessories to their men, whether it be their father or husbands. "Rape" wasn't a concept, so a woman getting raped is just her committing the crime of premarital sex or infidelity.
I think I've heard that St. Augustine was one of the first people we know of who actually put into writing the idea that rape victims were actually, y'know, victims. Not saying the idea originated from him, but it shows that the idea didn't start floating around the Mediterranean-adjacent cultures until the first few centuries C.E.
Meanwhile Vedic India recognized six "forms of marriage," of which two, the rakshasa and paishacha forms describe rape - the first involving the violent kidnapping of a woman, usually in a raid on her family or clan, and the second involving having sex with a woman who is asleep, intoxicated, or mentally challenged. Both of these forms were strictly forbidden.
You pulled this out of your ass but everyone is going to believe you anyway
>bible command rape victims to be stoned to death
any source? I finished the Bible when I was 10 y/o and I don't remember anything about it
She'd rather ruminate on her past than do anything about the present
Wanting to do something is one of the 3 basic requirements for a person to sin. Thus, people do not become sinners when they're raped
>but they let the rape stay at a rape and not turn it into a murder
Read the books you cope about before seething next time
Since the rest of you homosexuals are retarded, the verse in question (Bible/Torah) is that if a woman gets raped but didn't call for help, she's to be stoned - as in, if she cheated on her husband but then played "I WAS RAPED" as a get out of jail card.
Excelent bait.
>Modern society has been entirely dictated by some books written thousands of years ago by 80 IQ desert peasants
Unironically, how did this happen?
You can thank the Catholic church and the Popes. They have been controlling and erasing human history, removing and marks of the divine so the church can say "dude, trust us!" when they say something.
>posts a catholic that saved the US from commies
here's another
Catholics also saved Europe from Islam while protestants helped towelheads
> towelheads
That’s Sikhism
There is a difference with somebody who is Catholic and the Catholic church itself.
yet Catholics opose evil
protestants prop evil
Catholicism is evil; it is anti-christian.
If you are going to be so binary, then so is Protestantism, especially since a lot of the fundamental ideas Protestantism is based on are fucking retarded
Catholicism may be flawed, but at least it has the traditions behind it that Protestantism denied to create a soulless version of Christianity. Protestants forsaked the ritual power of mass and the power of saints for a bunch of crackers shaking their hands up in the air
Protestantism is basically just judaism 2.0 at this point, like judaism but without even the soul that judaism has. Why Protestants hate mysticism I don’t know, but you can never trust anyone who hates mysticism to have good intentions - ever
Boheme was one of the few good protties
>Why Protestants hate mysticism I don’t know
It's because they believe the Bible. Which condemns witchcraft and sorcery.
You don’t know what witchcraft or sorcery even are, you would call Jesus Himself and His apostles a witch
Anyway, everyone does magic all the time without thinking, guess we have to burn everyone on earth
>Anyway, everyone does magic all the time without thinking, guess we have to burn everyone on earth
Yes. You are describing the main theme of the Bible.
> Mark 3:28–30: "Truly I tell you, people will be forgiven for their sins and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin—for they had said, "He has an unclean spirit.""
Better check your blasphemy against the Holy Spirit
>Deuteronomy 18: 10~12 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, practices divination or conjury, interprets omens, practices sorcery, casts spells, consults a medium or spiritist, or inquires of the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD. And because of these detestable things, the LORD your God is driving out the nations before you.
>believing modern translations
>selectively picking from the human made Torah to decide what’s true or not
Why do you eat bacon? Do you wear mixed fabrics?
The death and resurrection of Christ was a fulfillment of the Ceremonial Law.
So why did he say he came to uphold the law? Why doesn’t this apply to magic?
Could you post the verse?
>Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
>8 For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished
>but to fulfill
And?
>Why do you eat bacon
because I don't believe in your ridiculous retard religion, it's just funny to point out how pants on head retarded a person would have to be to believe any of this shit
yeah. That's why I stopped believing in made up nonsense like evolution and climate change, and now believe in the real living God.
Then your opinion is fucking irrelevant, you have to actually believe and practice a religion to comment on it. I don’t have any fucking delusions that I am able to comment on what a Buddhist should or shouldn’t do, or how they should follow their religion when they know from personal spiritual experience what it all means more than I ever could even if I read every single Buddhist text, so shut the fuck up and have a sense of self-awareness you abhorrent know-it-all
I already knew this passage, everyone knows this passage, you thought I never read it? Are you a joke of a human being? you narcissistic toddler, get a brain
Nothing is more irritating then an atheist telling a religious person how they should follow their own religion, especially when they act like they know their religion more than them or what it means more than them, and when the atheist interpretation is identical to the most normalfag low iq fundamentalist interpretation - like literally shut the fuck up
what pathetic and limp wristed faith you have
>Catholicism may be flawed, but
You're no different than the pharisees that Christ condemned.
I am saying that none of them are perfect, but that Protestantism is by far the worst of the bunch imo
Honestly, I think one of those neo-Gnostic churches might be the best of both worlds
Catholicism, fundamentally, is about submission the pope. Catholics have such a broad range of contradictory beliefs, that the only real definition you can give it, is that it's that you submit to a cult that denies Christ in favor of an old dude that rapes kids.
The Bible is the most beautifully written book put to paper.
The Old Testament is evil israeli bullshit thoughever. Desert naggers are all kinds of fucked up.
>my israeli fiction is better than your israeli fiction
It's all israeli fiction.
My israeli fiction is self-hating israelite fiction appropriated by European society into something better. It's superior.
Why not instead write your own superior European fiction and purge it of israelite influence entirely? You don't need the fucking israelite and you certainly don't need a master and its lash over your back to be a good man. And if you do, then you are never going to be a good man and are just a slave under threat of retaliation lest you behave.
Because forgetting isn't an option. Forgetting means making the same mistakes of the past and forgoing God as living history. It happened and the only based israelite to have ever lived and died changed history for the better.
You seem to think what brings people to God is fear, or a need to give the reins to something greater. It's not. Nietzsche was absurdly wrong in this regard, though in practice we did see a low period of heretic protestantism leading to these societal ills, and atheism as the reaction to it. The precepts Christ presents to you are only a nudge into becoming a better man. This is by far the biggest difference between the OT and the NT if you've actually read the Bible. Not that I'd expect you to.
They certainly weren’t stupid just because their morals are outlandish to us, the books in the bible are themselves collections of things that began as word of mouth stories, and then the most qualified priests would modify or write these texts. These people were more intelligent than you think they were, they knew what they were doing, and that includes allegories (some allegories are based on cultural references probably long lost to us, but that which would be obvious for the time. There are probably so many parts of the Bible that we take seriously, that might have been crude sexual jokes or something)
>80 iq desert peasants
The Ancient israelites were one of the most literate ancient peoples and the New Testament was written during the height of Rome.
>Both the bible and quran command rape victims to be stoned to death
Complete feminist bullshit. In some countries adultery is a death sentence but the only out is in the case of rape but since it's the only path out all women will claim rape to try to save themselves but that's not good enough, they have to prove it and not just claim it.
Feminists basically go, since women would never lie about such a thing, they phrase it as women get killed for being raped, just like your homosexual ass just did
They need corroborating evidence or witnesses since obviously any one that can use it as a defense will, but then feminists spin this as women's testimony being worth less than a man's.
So homosexuals like you use this as evidence of how badly women are treated all the while the guy is dead because he has no out unlike her.
>Feminists criticize Islam
>Import a bunch of Muslims saying "they are not like the rest of them"
>Muslims rape the women
>Half of the women let themselves be raped so the Muslims won't get deported
>The other half are forced to pay a fine for court fees as the rapist walks off free and smiling
*shrug*
culthomosexuals are beaten in hell for all of their disingenuous self-righteousness
>Gankertards who can’t into religion fall for the bait
I hate this place
>Quaran
I don't listen to Satan's minions
The quran does not say anything about killing rape victims so maybe you should
Its honestly better for all of society if you just put rape victims out to pasture. They will never recover or be normal ever again and the chances of them perpetrating rape on others multiplies.
roasties roast in hell
Did he fix her?
No james only likes maria's blonde pussy
That she's hot.
>kills her dad and brother
>proceeds to have a damaged psyche
idk man, maybe killing has a heavy effect on ones psyche or something?
That her existence is a complete pain and any type of treatment will never solve the violence and repulsive act she suffered? At the end she just accepts that she will never find happiness and accept that her legendary "ITS TRAUMA"™ sticker will forever hunt her.
Not that it wasn't justified, but she did also kill her parents.
The people in Silent Hill 2 aren't being punished for objective moral wrongs, they are mentally suffering and feel guilty, which the town manifests into reality as a form of nightmarish self punishment.
Silent Hill hasn't decided she is "bad" or "deserves it", but on some level she thinks she does, which is why it calls to her to feed it pain and suffering to make manifest.
god works in mysterious ways huh
I suppose so.
Silent Hill is a physical town in 1, In Sh2 its real but in le mind, i haven't finished 3, in 4 its just the otherworld being manifested in dreams?
>4 its just the otherworld being manifested in dreams
no. pocket dimension as shaped by a serial killer
This. Silent hill doesn’t assault you, it hands you a bat and watches you beat yourself to death with it.
just don't get raped
She couldn't get over it, the trauma consumed her completely.
It means that women are inherently bad people.
Hell is not real, not even canon according to the Bible.
She also killed her family and ran away. The trio lured to Silent Hill had a connection to the place and their guilt and trauma led them back. This isn't to fix them it's goal is to literally let their wish of punishment come true. You see their graves for instance and Walter whatever was also in the graveyard.
Each represents an aspect of James:
>Angela - the depresso suicidal
>Eddy - the psychotic murderer
And James can pick his own path.
And Laura represents....
Pretty sure she's not real.
>The only character besides MC able to leave Silent Hill
>Not real
Maria can leave with James too, because they're both just his schizo delusions in the first place.
The Maria that can leave SH has magic cancer, take that in consideration.
By that logic Heather also isn't real, since she was born out of Alessa's wish.
Sometimes I wish they would spell out the story so retards like you can stop spouting stupid fucking theories
The game is open to interpretation lmao, your own take is also just a theory, it's a lot like Dark Souls in that there's no definitive explanation of wtf actually happened
>Sometimes I wish they would spell out the story so retards like you can stop spouting stupid fucking theories
Occam's Razor. Just keep to what the games say and then assume that the writers would want you to think something only if they put it in the game. You can endlessly speculate but it's mostly pointless.
>Maria can leave with James too, because they're both just his schizo delusions in the first place.
Maria conveniently ducks out whenever she has a chance to interact with anyone but James. I'm not sure if others could even see her, or if they'd just see what she turns into at the end of the game. She's basically just another town monster, but given juuuust enough sentience to self-reflect but unable to control her descent into madness.
The writer's barely-disguised fetish.
>And Laura represents....
Purity as a contrast to the main three weirdos. It's very key that she does not experience a Silent Hill filled with monsters, but rather an abandoned town. It's why she's able to get around town by just walking when James has such a hard time since the roads are all dead.
Redemption
innocence as a juxtaposition to all the fucked up shit
In Leave, she’s supposed to be another reference to Jacob’s Ladder, since the way James and Laura walk into the distance is very similar to how the movie ends.
The wildest shit is that Angela is canon supposed to be some teenage runaway. She looks like 28.
that was kind of the point, stress and trauma makes you age faster, or at least makes it look like that
Its not that she's literally in hell, she's mentally fucked from it and went to a place where her trauma is physically manifested only for her. Did you just miss the entire point of the SH games or something?
You clearly didn't play the game or are just baiting.
>kills father and brother
>chops off their dicks (bloodstained draped bodies on the wall)
Revenge is not justice.
Women are vile beasts who need to be controlled and subjugated
Just look at how they act without guidance today
Onions Hill isn't hell, it's a magnet for the obsessed.
/V/'s Silent Hill would be full of women and trannymonsters trying to swallow you into their bleedging gashes.
And the bosses would be little girls.
Silent hill is an astral manifestation of some sort of dark aspect of someone’s or somethings (in terms of a cult or demonic goddess) being brought into the material world, sometimes that astral manifestation comes as heavenly if someone is innocent (truly innocent, like a child), a literal manifestation of one’s own demons.
It’s basically deliriant, a Benadryl overdose
Nah, that ritual is straight up to summon pain and agony specifically so the god knows about it and instead creates “paradise” (because obviously a god like being summoned from oain and agony would be a good thing).
The pain and agony is still an astral manifestation of Alessa’s pain
Yeah which is why all she was able to summon (as a child) was her biggest fears (one being a literal demon like creature. But nothing angelic of any sort.
I didn’t get the impression that Dahlia herself wanted paradise, she was just a black magician who wanted to create a world of suffering so that she could have power and she used the cult towards that end
Silent Hill is a normal tourist town with normal people living in it, retards. At the start of the 20th century bunch of cultists who came to town created their own secret organization known as "The Order" and started doing rituals that created another dimension known as the "Otherworld". The Otherworld can be only entered by a very small percentage of people who either have traumatic experiences or are cultists who know how to open portals to it. Otherworld changes the look of the environment and monsters that live in it in order to adjust to the trauma of every individual person and create a personalized version of their own hell.
Angela was deeply mentally damaged so Otherworld appeared to her with burning flames to symbolize the fact that the mental scars her brother and father inflicted on her will hunt her for the rest of her life. Eddie was frustrated with people making fun of him and looking down on him his whole life which led him towards torturing animals in frustration and later even killing people, that's why he sees cold dead bodies of animals. James killed Mary because she was taking his life away from him while she was slowly dying in the hospital, that's why James sees deformed virus-like pieces of flash, sexualized nurses (hinting at the fact that he probably wanted to have sex with one of the nurses in the hospital out his sexual frustration), and an idealized version of Mary that keeps brutally dying in order to remind him of his sin and selfishness. Laura doesn't see monsters because she doesn't have any traumas. She could enter the Otherworld only because James needed her to get to the truth.
>created another dimension known as the "Otherworld".
The games make the point starting in 2 that weird shit has been happening for ages before the Cult, and that the natives felt the area held special spiritual powers, and past events include executions at a POW camp, several disasters with mass casualties, and entire groups of people vanishing. So whatever it is, it predates the Cult. The details are kept vague intentionally.
>Otherworld changes the look of the environment and monsters that live in it in order to adjust to the trauma of every individual person and create a personalized version of their own hell.
Bzzt. It's not trying to do anything it seems. In 1 it's entirely implied this is a specific event due to Alessa's psychic powers and the cult putting a demon baby in her. After that it's anyone's guess. Might be just the town's spiritual powers reacting to people's strong emotions, which are mostly the negative ones. 2 is the one that tries to create a sequel by distancing itself from Alessa's experiences. You could summize the town always had this possibility, or that Alessa changed it and some latent power is left over for James, Eddie, and Angela to react to.
2 is actually a prequel to 1. 1 takes place in 1983 according to one of the files when you use a text editor, and 2 was stated to be anywhere from the late 70s to early 80s.
What are you calling me a retard for? I haven't even played the games!
What a fucking hand waving way of explaining Laura dumbass. Her existence moots your stupid ass points about Silent Hill.
Silent Hill exists in its state as a ghost town in the real world. Nobody lives there anymore. Laura is there because she wants to find Mary, and that was the only place she knew about.
Also James killed his wife partly because she asked him to do it. He felt guilty because he wanted to for selfish reasons.
> Silent Hill exists in its state as a ghost town in the real world. Nobody lives there anymore.
Devs confirmed people still live there, in fact you can see the technology of sh change from silent hill 2 to 3 where Brookhaven has computers when it didn’t in 2
That's extremely stupid and probably only became an idea for 3 (the shitty one). When someone gets mental trauma in Silent Hill do they suddenly poof out of existence? What if for a brief moment I feel mental anguish, do I pop in and out?
Makes more sense that the cultists are secretly updating the infrastructure.
Silent hill is an occult series, occultism posits that reality is a sort of illusion and can be sculpted. They are in the same plane, but it’s like how being schizophrenic and taking drugs makes you see reality differently, that’s the sort of thing, the point of silent hill is that reality is extremely different from individual to individual
> When someone gets mental trauma in Silent Hill do they suddenly poof out of existence?
Not really about having mental trauma, more so if you are experiencing the effects of the town then the dark power behind it (I guess you could the goddess) has a reason to use you. People with mental hang ups can be easily exploited by the goddess as a sort of sacrifice, and to spread her essence around. But there are many people in silent hill, living there, who are mentally broken and are in the ‘real world’ primarily. Brookhaven hospital, I am sure many of the inmates are like in between the other world and the real world, also if you just have some trauma and depression and live in silent hill that doesn’t mean you get called by otherworld or something. Silent hill is a depressing town at this point, pretty sure that a lot of people who live there are unhappy, doesn’t mean they experience the otherworld. Some people do, some people just don’t
Laura might have been able to interact with both people in the ‘real world’ and with James etc.
>occultism posits that reality is a sort of illusion and can be sculpted.
That isn't a belief, that's what occultism tries to do. It's a form of witchcraft in which wizards use spells to cast illusions on people; to warp reality.
Occultism tries to do many things, depending if you are left hand path or right hand path
Theurgy is about aligning yourself with the divine, Goetia your base desires being made into reality, or maybe you could use Goetia to keep the darker aspects of yourself in check and controlled by angels. Occultism depends on the person
Jesus fucking christ. Actually, play the games before engaging in online discussions about them. Silent Hill is a normal resort town full of people living in it. In Silent Hill 4 the main character Henry Townshend literally mentions that he loves traveling to Silent Hill and taking pictures there because of the lively atmosphere and a lot of nice tourists everywhere. In SH3 Douglas comments on how Silent Hil ways always a very nice little town and when he gets there with Heather, they are both weirded out by the fact that no one is there. That's because both Heather and Douglas don't know that they both entered the Otherworld dimension. (You) also have modern brochures in the town that describe all the lively places and popular attractions as well
The only time period where the town didn't have a big population was a pretty early period somewhere before the 20th century when a lot of buildings got burned due to "certain" events. Meny decades later somewhere In the '60s or '70s, an important member of The Order named Dahlia Gillespie performed an important ritual on her daughter Alessa Gillespie which required setting her body on fire in order to give bigger strength to the "God" that she was supposed to birth. Other than that, Silent Hill exists in modern times that og 4 game took place, as a really popular and "safe" town for a lot of tourists and the existence of The Order residing in the town wasn't common knowledge
>Actually, play the games before engaging in online discussions about them.
It's ok, he watched a youtuber talk about the game, thats why SH4 is an underrated classic!
Silent hill is a fantastic series but the rules on how the town works are obviously unclear and inconsistent from each game. shrimple as
She actually killed a couple of people before getting to SH. I don’t know what religiousfags are going on about.
Some people get the good ending, some don't
>James killed his wife because he was a horny coomer and couldn't fuck her anymore
why not just go to hookers? seems a lot better than killing your wife no?
the only way woman can feel and orgasm is by getting raped
the dog is literally behind everything.
>This white bitch won't fuck me so its damnation for her!
checks out
i never understood why the torture has to be forever
I know when they say forever they mean forever and not something like Until your mind breaks and you can't even be aware of the torture anymore
It isn’t, hell is you torturing yourself with your base desires and evil deeds, heaven is the state where you transcend your earthly self and live to serve others thus you have no desire
Compare to Buddhism and Schopenhauer, the Will leads to destruction, the Will is hell
so the end goal of 90% of religions is to strip people of their free will?
Grim. I can see why religion is considered a tool of social control if their only purpose is to trick people into surrendering all agency and be commanded by "a higher power"
Well actually in the end times when JC comes back everybody in Hell who is now repentant gets once last chance. JC goes down to rescue them and bring them back, the only people who stay in Hell for real after that are people who somehow still dont believe after Revalations.
>silent hill
>hell
Excellent bait thread
how come judaism doesn't have a hell but christianity and islam do?
read the torah israelites can do no wrong and deserve the world anon
israelites believe that by only being israelites they deserve every good
that is why every single israelite is an arrogant sociopath
isn't christianity the same?
>me and my people deserve eternal bliss, but the other 70% of humans on earth? yeah they all deserve to go to hell
christianity also has at it's root the moral obligation to spread its word to "save" as many people as it can, it's a bit different from "we are the chosen people and everybody else is cattle"
but why did God only reveal himself to a few thousand people in the middle east 2000 years ago?
if he's the God of all mankind then why only reveal yourself to 0.0001% of the world?
you're reading way too much into it, at the end of the day it's supposed to be a moral code with additional comfort for our shared afterlife dread
But if i were a priest trying to sell it to you i'd say that it's those few people duty to share the word with the world, and when the messiah returns everyone willing will be granted salvation anyways
By the way as far as the bible goes it's disputed if the modern concept of hell is canon. The original text says that hell is lack of God, so the classical interpretation is that after death it's either nothingness forever or you simply disappear.
I imagine the modern flames and torture thing is more of a marketing ploy because it was hard for medieval peasants to imagine nothingess to be worse than the constant plagues they were going trough
To be truly sinful you need to know you're doing something wrong. Because of this, everyone who lived and died without ever learning about Christianity may be forgiven. This is because God is good and universal, so anyone, anywhere, may live a life intending to do good, and upon death they will recognize God as the source of the good they'd been seeking, and be welcome.
christianity isnt perfect by any means but show me a religion like judaism thats more genocide driven selfish and outright sociopathic in its mission. at least modern christianity is geared toward univeralism and redemption for all
>christianity isnt perfect by any means but show me a religion like judaism thats more genocide driven selfish and outright sociopathic in its mission.
Islam
i dont disagree but i still think judaism eclipses it with how out right wicked it is in trying to subjugate the entire world
Both christianity and islam would love to make “apostasy” a legally recognized crime. Both can literally kill each other.
Christianity is fucking waning and withering and has very a faint grip on any institutional power where as israel is holding the entrie world fucking hostage
Which I’m pretty sure given an ounce of possible authority, either one would love to use the government for religious purposes.
Islam is steadily approaching that point though as well. It's kind of weird how it's moving though. On one hand they're receiving support from """progressive""" homosexuals who don't understand it's a fucking genocidal religion and just blindy embrace the cock suckers because "THINK OF THE POOR BROWN PEOPLE". On the other hand they're also getting support from cock suckers like /misc/ who apparently don't have a problem with the fuckers doing shit like leveling an entire school with a cement truck filled with HME, killing a fuck ton of civilians on a crowded bazaar with a child suicide bomber, or just senselessly massacring villages as long as they stick it to Israel in the long run.
yeah i don't mind giving support to Palestinians because they are justified in retaliating but the third worldism support on pol in fucking insane
But israelites and Muslims existed in old Christian ruled states, and israelites and Christians exist and have existed in Muslim ruled states
the point of Christianity is that everyone can be saved by being a decent person
hell doesn't even exist in the bible, anon.
there's only a mention of a dark place, far, far away from the grace of god, and you really don't want to be there.
all the hell jive comes from the divine comedy, that's pretty much a bible fanfic made by the equivalent of a "i'm always right, you're always wrong" web comic artist.
what's with all this "hell isn't in the bible" cope?
>revelation explicitly talks about a lake of fire where people get tormented forever
>jesus talked about how it's better to go through life with one hand then to have your whole body thrown into hell
>parable of lazarus and the rich man
>revelation explicitly talks about a lake of fire where people get tormented forever
mistake in translation, the lake of fire is more about eternal destruction, which IMO means people who won't go to heaven will have their souls be destroyed
this
>the wages of sin is DEATH
>whoever believes in me shall not PERISH
"death" and "being kept alive in a state of conscious torment" are not the same thing
exactly, the second death is that, eternal death.
>exactly, the second death is that, eternal death.
No. The second death is when you carve a hole in your face and turn it into a portal to hell.
>retard nonsense
>He hasn't played Faith.
I WILL NOT BE AFRAID OF THE TERROR IN THE NIGHT
Christianity didn’t have a hell, hell came from eastern religions
It famously has Gehena which is the big shit cauldron
Isn't Gehena where you sacrificed children?
She committed suicide though
I don't know why Ganker has so many threads debating theology, but I enjoy it
There's nothing more cucked than abrahamic religions.
If you have sex, but don't enjoy it, you deserve to suffer.
Just your typical atheist version of hell that has been popularized for a long time
>You only go to hell if you feel guilt even if you are a good person
>So as long as you don't feel bad about killing this useless ethnic group you won't go to hell!
Choose
>Ganker users be like: i'll take 3, 5, 9 and 11
Ok. I'll bite.
What's wrong with 3?
Let me guess, you need more.
Cynthia. I like how she's flirty and straightforward about her "special favors".
Second that. She sounds like a virgin hunter the way she talks.
She's definitely one.
who are 5 and 10? i've played almost all the game but i dont remember those two, also you forgot homecoming
It's Hanna from Silent Hill Arcade released in 2007 shortly after Team Silent was disbanded. She's the ghost of a girl who died in a Toluca sinking ship mentioned in SH2.
(You) mean Lady Fukuro? I think she's one of the old Goddesses that The Order used to worship along with Valtiel. Both of them are running around locations in SH3 trying to catch each other for some reason. Valtiel is a God of rebirth so every time Heather dies he just revives her back to life (sometimes you get a special cutscene where he suggestively drags Heather's body with him). Lady Fukuro on the other hand has no relation to Heather from what I remember. She looks like one of the Buble Head Nurses so I guess she has some connections to Alessa and is possibly a reincarnation of Lisa.
>she's one of the old Goddesses that The Order used to worship along with Valtiel
source or headcanon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory
>Theory
Well hope atleast that silent weeb F explain that bitch( i doubt it)
I wish you homosexuals would stop pushing this fucking head canon. Fukuro is not the bitch that appears in SH3, that's a completely different nurse character. Fukuro is just an art project.
OOOOUUUUUUUuuuuuhhhh... Laura a cute and bratty little orphan dicky girl.... Ouuhhhhhh... a true canon adopted daughteru that gives James' another chance in life by taking care of someone just like Mary wanted him to... Ouuhhhhhh... She deserves full correction before and after adoption... Ouuhhhhhh... I can hear her theme playing in the background as she gets fully deserved correction after rudely kicking her future father... Ouuhhhhhh....
I don't remember number 5. Is she from Shart Memories?
Hey hey hey hey hey. HEY. I can fix her and I will
Which SH is that?
4. I love my wife's big head.
>wanting Eileen
I seriously doubt anyone who's played SH4 wants Eileen. Having to escort her basically ruined the entire second half of the game.
>During the development of SH3 all the male members of Team Silent at Konami wanted Heather to dress really conservatively, mature, and wear pants
>All the female members on the other hand wanted her to look a lot more girly, young, cute, and dress in much more revealing and sexy outfits showing her legs and such
>Female members won and made official renders like pic related to promote the game and this idea even more
Based Japanese women. Take me back
>tfw no bombshell party animal neighbor girl next door gf with mommy vibe, (You) are creeping on for a week through a hole in the wall while trying to survive in Sullivan's Otherworld in Ashfields and later saving her from Kurt Cobain cultist serial killer and preventing the end of the world
why even live
Built for home invasion.
>live next door to Eileen
>Have to walk her to and from the bar every single day
>she walks insanely slowly
>can't go to far ahead of her or she'll start puking and go into convulsions
>Everyone you walk by wants to kick the shit out of her so you're constantly trying to fight them off to and from the bar
It's Trauma!
she liked it
man i was just now playing this too, kys spoiler fag
James dies at the end
Pyramid Head is Eddie
Maria is real and Mary never existed
All monsters have Maria's face under their mannequin rubber skin
James is Harry Mason's father's, brother's, nephew's, cousin's, former roommate
yeah i have no idea what any of those people are, i only now just killed the first zombie thing
Angela isn't there seeing fire because Silent Hill is angrily condemning her and thinking she deserves to be punished. Angela is there because she herself believes she deserves what happened to her.
The town in Silent Hill 2 isn't an omnipotent judge trying to make a moral point. It's a mirror to the characters' personal demons. Their own guilt, grief, paranoia, self loathing, sexual frustration, and anger made manifest.
Nothing compared to the absolute bullshit male victims face. Gender equality.
>get over it or fucking burn
It's a good lesson, if you're gonna love life like that then you're better off dead.
So was the sewer monster a Slurper or did it just eat it?
>Silent Hill is a therapist
Worst possible interpretation of 2. Absolutely hate pseuds for popularising it. The town is malicious, it's not trying to solve their issues - it's their nightmares brought to life.
The town doesn't do anything though. It's a cult causing problems in 1 and in 2 the characters are just going through horrific mental trauma.
is this the new jidf/reddit tactic?
justaposing christianity with islam when they have nothing in common?
christianity has nothing to do with islam and judaism
in fact protestants aren't even real christians anyway
>Smartest Catholic on v/
Please try to hide your /misc/ induced schizophrenia better next time, it is a huge red flag.
>justaposing christianity with islam when they have nothing in common?
>christianity has nothing to do with islam and judaism
Are you fucking retarded?
So why do Christians consider the old testament (the torah) part of the bible, and Muslims consider the bible a holy book?
>So why do Christians consider the old testament (the torah) part of the bible
--->
Everything in the old testament is repeated in the new testament. You can't separate them, as much as papists have tried to.
Repeated yes, but a lot of it is also repealed. That is the important distinction
>So why do Christians consider the old testament (the torah) part of the bible
to show how israelites are shit and God took gave the king of heaven to the goyim
>and Muslims consider the bible a holy book?
because it stole from already religion to make itself look more legit
it's like a guy saying he knows some celebrity to fuck chicks but it's a lie
Enjoyed it.
Why do you naggers have to derail my wife's thread.....
She's a rape victim, she'll never love you.
Still would wife.
I really don't get how people interpret Silent Hill as some mental prison, not being real. In 1, it manifests itself into a hellscape because its all the mental anguish of Alessa, and she's powerful as fuck. It's the same shit in 2 but with normal people who happen to show up for one reason or another, so their nightmare is self-contained.
Friendly reminder.
That would make Silent Hill 4 not canon as Silent Hill would be rubble by that point
>That would make Silent Hill 4 not canon as Silent Hill would be rubble by that point
You never go to the real silent hill in silent hill 4 and there is a picture of sh1's lighthouse that when you examine it Henry mentions rumors about UFO sightings in there.
>that would make Silent Hill 4 not canon
ohh noooooooo
>Rumors of one of the new silent hill games being about the destruction of the town
>Schizo UFO ending anon was right the entire time
She must have liked it (as all women do because all women are whores)
Can't really blame them when rape is the natural method of reproduction
yeah, and running around naked and taking a shit in the open is natural too, anon.
we're better than that, anon. we're not wild animals.
Eileen shaving
imagine all the hair she's getting on her bed, disgusting pig
why doesnt Harry just bonk Eileen in the head during the boss fight?
anon, she's not in hell because she was raped to madness by her old man.
she's in hell because she developed a victim complex so fucked up that every time she tried to bond with someone, her ptsd kicks in and murders her friend/partner in horrible ways.
the worst thing is that she learned to enjoy it, and then the troll remorse kicks in, blames her victim complex and call it a day.
If she didn't want it, she would have killed her "assailant". Whether by biting or clawing or whatever. She wanted it.
>bite or claw guy
>get knocked out in one punch and wake up dead
She'll wake up dead in paradise, though. She chose sex and life over salvation.
how the hell do you wake up dead?
you are very stupid and you missed the whole point of the game, retard
She needs more art, silent hill has way too many good female
I think she killed her rapists and anyway Silent Hill isn't about judgement/justice its just a physical manifestation of people's inner torment
death before dishonor
She murdered her father and brother and she's on a quest to find and murder her mother as well. Her mix of guilt with anger and revenge create her own Otherworld.
Is it possible that being gay isn't really a sin since it's only wrong in the old testament?
Jesus just said you should be nice to each other.
If the relationship is consensual and both people understand and agree to it, who cares.
The guy redeemed whores as long as they wanted to be better.
Corinthians 6:9-10
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"
Note that this is KJV which is ultra israeli and mistranslated "arsenokoitai" as "abusers of mankind" when really it means homosexuals.
It's not like Jesus wrote those.
This is like disney saying a character is trans after the creator dies.
Yes Jesus did not write the scripture but he did approve of them.
someone PLEASE prune this retarded /misc/ slide thread!!
> Gets raped
> She kills them
> Suffers in hell for it
At least play the game, anon.
>"they look like monsters to you?"
>25 billion hours of retards theorising on this for decades
>totally ignore that he says "lol just kidding :)" afterwards
This is especially funny since Vincent shits on Claudia hard for manifesting such a fucked up hellscape in the finale.
I'm pretty sure most people who try to theorize on that line didn't actually play the game.
Vincent is a lying sack o shit and said that after seeing Heather in distress knowing he still needs her to destroy the cult.
Yeah, people debate the lines exactly because he ran it back so quickly as a joke.
And it's also something I would say in that situation
I mean, Silent Hill isn't nice.
I still don't understand why he didn't agree to be with her when she offered. Seems like an okay girl, and it's not like he has another girl waiting for him lol.
because James is a man of integrity and knew he couldn't help her.
It's exactly as she says: he couldn't have given her what she needed.
>Will you love me? Take care of me? Heal all my pain?
>That's what i thought.
Lives eternally in my head.
It will just take one episode for her to snap and stab you
>stop ressisting
>become an accomplice
>go to hell
*why did this happen to me~*
a real man would resist till the very end
A husband can't "rape" his own wife (legally speaking) - at least that is how it used to be until the israelites won WW2 and ruined literally everything for everyone on the entire planet.
pretty sure it is because she killed her family because her father raped her and she could not come to terms with what she has done.
It's metaphorical.
Hell is a place of your own making, she's in hell because she feels like it.
it's a horror game and bad things happen to good people unlike the real world
>try reading the bible
>entire first book is the founder of the religion going around scamming everyone and saying "God said I could"
So you tried and failed? Must be hard not being able to grasp what billions have across millennia
Try to explain Abraham's actions in any way that doesn't involve his God being real
>explain X in a way without the important factor of X
Why is it that you people always have to engage in this dishonest behavior?
based
>dishonest
Abraham's actions are only acceptable if you choose to believe him when he says his god is real. If someone doesn't believe in or know about his god he is just a random criminal.
You're right, Abraham was a random criminal. But God chose him because of that, so that he could be redeemed, and redeem all of humanity as well
Nowhere in the Bible does Abraham tell anyone about God. The first time this happens is with Moses confronting Pharaoh to tell him to free his people from slavery. In which Pharaoh is confused and said he doesn't know what God he was talking about, which also proves my first point.
The Good book is to be read in a particular order through the christian year for a reason. Yours is one of the many flaws of protestantism
Study the Sefer Yeztirah first
Truth bombs about Christianity:
no human (besides the anti Christ if he's a human) will go to hell
Jesus forgives everyone
Life on earth was never meant to be fair or good or anything positive...it also isn't meant to be bad too, it's just life and it's mostly random on wheter it's shit or nice.
God loves you and you'll live happily in heaven for all eternity.
That doesn't seem very consistent with other parts of the new testament and I've never met a Christian that didn't believe in eternal torture in Hell. What denomination are you?
Christians who believe in eternal torture are just people who didn't get the scriptures in the bits where it talks about hell, I'm just a normal baptist.
Well, could you elaborate? According to you basically every Christian I've ever met misinterpreted the scriptures. I remember a lot of talk about gnashing teeth, lakes of fire?
>According to you basically every Christian I've ever met misinterpreted the scriptures.
NTA but is that surprising to you? Basically every Christian I've ever met also believes in stuff like Lucifer and Satan. None of them read the Bible, they all just follow the ever-changing pop culture.
Didn't Jesus meet with Lucifer in the desert? I mean I'm almost sure that was in scripture. I used to be a Christian. How could you say there isn't a devil or Satan in the Bible?
I'm pretty sure eternal torture in Hell as a cultural idea far predates the U.S.A..
The entity Jesus meets in the wilderness is only referred to as "devil." It's in Matthew 4 if you want to see for yourself.
I can't fully elaborate cause it's a lot of stuff to talk about and I don't remember everything from it, but basically, every mention of a lake of fire is a reference to a big garbage dump who was from time to time lit on fire and that all we know about souls who won't go to heaven is that something bad will happen to them, the eternal death...which doesn't mean eternal torture, it means eternal nothing
In fact, people who die don't go to heaven nor hell or whatever for now, they're just waiting for God to return, no normal human is in heaven right now, In my view not going to heaven just means this will never change, you'll die and stay dead.
Protip: if you grew up in America just assume you know literally nothing about Christianity. Anything you learned from other Americans or general cultural osmosis is guaranteed to be wrong.
That entire continent was a disaster for the state of Christianity. Come to think of it, it does the same to every religion that ends up on its shores.
>implying this is a waiting room
>implying man doesn't have freedom of choice
C'mon now, don't let all your fans down!
Hmmyeah Hell is as old as the need for coinage. Gotta keep the coffers full. Plus Satan is a super cool dude. Guy did a backflip off a rail last week, no bullshit dude. Guy's a LEGEND.
My father thinks Laura is potential daughter of James and Marie. Is there any theory about this?
I think the important part of the Bible that a lot of people don't seem to understand is that God, through out all of the Bible, including the old testament, DOES love us, it's full of stories about man constantly disobeying God but he's constantly giving them second and third chances when we don't fucking deserve it, this trait was even foreign to the israelites who worshipped him and spread his word, the story of Jonah is about one of his prophets completely shocked that God actually spared and saved the ninevites
>Silent Hill 2-3 are masterpieces
>Buuuut, yeah, the voice acting is trash, but it's supposed to be that way
Why so many SH fans think this? The VA is superb.
Cant wait team bloober carrying the fault of this scene and even worsen it
Hopes for the stream today, lads?
Stream?
The Video adventure thing they're doing
What is there to hope for? It's just noise.
Last day I saw it the organizer was having a meltdown
Today?
Reminder that even if they consider Christians to have gone astray muslims still recognize Jesus as the messiah who will come back at the end of the world.
Anyone who tries to put Christianity and Islam against each other while ignoring the third abrahamic religion is a israelite the likes of which will be punished in such a way that Sodom and Gomorrah will seem like a slap on the wrist.
Islam is a Mormon Tier religion.
The work of Islam would make Jesus puke. That's not even in question.
Too violent, too angry, too vengeful. Vengeance is an intrinsically chaotic sin, society cannot function correctly when it's not controlled. The purpose of a legal system is to alleviate an individual from the burden of vengeance, so that it doesn't escalate into larger scale conflict. Islamic law seems designed to help them indulge in it, whether it's flogging or stoning, beheading or acid, or Anfal campaigns.
It's so awkward when I hear a Muslim say "oh, you know, we actually respect and acknowledge Jesus!" I can't reciprocate the sentiment for Islam's prophet.
it's all bullshit anyway, muslims just pretend to respect christians before they gain enough power to start murdering them
just look at countries in the middle east like Lebanon
I can't return any so called respect a muslim gives me because I know deep down he's dreaming of pouring acid on my face
Muzzies always pull scummy pippul tactics like that until they become the majority.
Been a while since I've played SH2. Why was Laura in the town? I remember she was with Mary at the same hospital, but why is she STILL in the town? Isn't the whole place deserted? Hasn't it been like a month since Mary died?
Laura still lives there because people are still there. The place is specified as a resort that people often visit for the sightseeing views. Hell if you revisit the area the first monster appears you can see police tape up which may imply you probably killed some homeless man.
> GIVE ME BACK MY MONEY FILTHY nagger!
SH2 happens no more than a few days after James killed Mary.
Mary was let from the hospital some time before that because the doctors decided that her case was hopeless and that she could at least spend her last days at home.
She and Laura were in a hospital that wasn't in Silent Hill (she wouldn't remind James of the town in her letter otherwise).
The town isn't deserted or full of monsters. That's just how the fogworld and otherworld look to James, Eddie and Angela. Laura either sees an empty or normal town.
Where do all these details come from?
I never found any information that bucked the “two years ago” from the start, and I thought he smothered her in her hospital bed?
Some facts are from the novelization or can be uncovered if you analyze some details in-game (Rebirth Ending shows that James still has access to Mary's body, Laura never acknowledges any monsters).
Mary has gotten ill 3 years ago and James (after repressing the memories of what he did) decided that was actually the date of her death. He killed her in their house, you can see her lay there the same way James remembers it in the In Water ending.
> Laura never acknowledges any monsters
Oh yeah I’m totally on board with that part. Anyone who doesn’t understand that people see Silent Hill differently hasn’t understood Silent Hill at all.
I guess I never got the rebirth ending so the particulars for that ritual and all that will have passed me by
The entire point of the 3 games is an inversion of religious truths, a christian-style cult being perverted with dark heathenry, but it's also about the loss of innocence and how we torment ourselves.
Angela isn't in "Hell" as a punishment for something she did. Rather, she's in Hell because that's where her family put her, and it's been eating at her mind, and there's nothing that can make it better.
So in the end, all she can do is burn away, the flesh, the squelching holes, the tears she shed in the hopes that someone would care for her. I don't think the game is necessarily saying she's damned for it. That's a little too Abrahamic for a game made in Japan. Fire symbolizes a lot of different things in religion, even within the same book. It's purifying.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE A MAN
WHEN YOU PUSH HER AROUND
Why are religionoids such vindictive and destructive creatures?
God’s leadership skills are so weak.
In charge of two people with only one rule and he immediately lost control to a talking snake.
Two people later and fratricide gets invented for no compelling reason, and these are all people who knew God personally and face-to-face.
Shitty leader. Not to mention he’s supposed to be perfect and everything he created is not perfect.
At first he was literally the only thing that existed and he immediately starts lowering the bar.
I think the symbolism of Genesis is lost on you.
For starts, it's not obvious that God intended for Adam and Eve to remain in the Garden of Eden in the first place, much like a good mother does not expect her child to remain in the womb.
Cain and Abel had little to do with "leadership" and more to do with the corruption of Cain's heart. He fell short of his brother's example and resented him to the point of murder. That's not an issue of leadership.
>He fell short of his brother's example and resented him to the point of murder.
Actually Cain sacrificed his brother, Abel, as an offering to God.
>headcanon
>headcanon
Death of the author
I prefer calling it "subtext."
The stories are thousands of years old, with different versions and translations. It should not be a surprise that you do not know as much as you think about them.
I don't think God would have rejected him, then. A sacrifice is intrinsically not a selfish thing. Cain was immensely selfish when he killed his brother.
Selfishness isn't inherently wrong, but it's entirely profane.
Where are my Christian + Neoplatonism niggas at?
We got like real life d&d bards and shit
why did my silent hill thread turn into christ larpers arguing
Silent Hill = purgatory
No, silent hill is just the astral plane reflected on earth
first game, its hell, opening a portal to hell, hell on earth, summoning baphomet. the second game is purgatory, suffering
Consider myself raped because these graphics are fucking awful
i don't know what the fuck the christcucks here are on about but i just wanted to say that op is a homosexual
I'm not gonna read all 400+ replies but no one actually thinks she's being punished for killing her dad and brother right? the town lured her because she's mentally fucked and the fire represents her pain
>killing her dad and brother
can I skip silent hill 1 and go straight to 2?
sure, there isn't much from SH1 that's important to know for SH2
I'd still play SH1 though, especially if you want to play SH3 after
Fellas I'm going to be honest, I don't believe any of us are going to go to eternal bliss with all of our friends and family and pets if we live by the rules set by a certain group of people and spread their word and donate money to them and all of these super amazing miracles were performed a couple of thousand years ago so we have no proof they were ever performed.
>we have no proof they were ever performed.
Look around yourself.
that is called natural selection, god isn't real
happiness is now
live it
>You have to pick evolution OR God, not both!
What if God is evolution?
>man will evolve itself to godhood
This shit never makes me fail to kek
I'm starting to believe in reincarnation more and more which actually makes me feel worse
>implying belief isn't brain damage
>implying you don't have faith with every step you take; that the earth will not give way
>implying your freedom of choice is independent of your connection to eternity
>implying there is any enemy
>implying you are not worthy of every curse and every blessing that has ever or will ever befall you
>implying this is your first time
>implying it will ever be your last
Pfffff, yeah ok buddy keep talking....keep making me LAUGH!
Silent Hill, the town, does not punish the evil, it punishes the guilty. People who are haunted by their past and their actions are who Silent Hill likes to fuck with. Laura wasn't necessarily evil for being raped or killing her abusers, but her deep trauma over it all is what puts her in hell. This is horror, not aesop's fables.
>Cybil is just an upstanding cop doing her duty
>gets eaten alive by Silent Hill
>Harry is just a man protecting his daughter
>Gets stabbed to death by Silent Hill
She feels guilty about the murders
what kind of blonde white girl name is maria anyway
>Ganker has a 500 reply theological discussion
wow, amazing.
She's in her own private hell because she killed her rapist dad, not because she was raped.
So is religion good or nah? what’s the big deal with it? Why is it good or bad to believe in god?
It's just a structure. There is no belief in religion.