Guys did you know that gen 1 psychic types were fricking broke-ACK!

Guys did you know that gen 1 psychic types were fricking broke-ACK!

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Alakazam has 45 defense
    >hyper beam was physical since all normal-type moves before the split were physical
    >hyper beam gets STAB since it was being used by a normal-type pokémon (in this case Snorlax)
    >Snorlax has 110 attack to go with hyper beam being 150 BP
    Alakazam crumbling to physical moves is proof that Psychic actually wasn't broken in gen 1.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not OP, but Yeah, Psychic was broken in gen 1, I'd agree with that assertion, What I'd also say is that Normal was equally as broken because a lot of the best pokemon period were normal type, The three best non legendary pokemon are all normal type, In Tauros, Snorlax and Chansey. Normal pokemon also had the advantage of having the best stab moves in the game. I think they edge Psychic in that regard as Body slam and Hyper beam both come with amazing power and nifty side effects. The only other types that compare are Ground types with EQ in which only Rhydon is even remotely worth it. Water types with Surf, Which is rare to run on pokemon like Starmie, Blizzard on ice pokemon and Electric type moves on Zapdos and Jolteon. Outside of that the other types get shafted like fire being not very good due to it's common weaknesses, Ghost, Bug and Dragon not having any power, Rock is decent but again only Rhydon is worth it. Fighting is laughably bad, Poison is also awful. Grass has Razor leaf which is decent and mega drain(40BP is garbage but that doesn't stop Exeggutor from running it). Flying has Drill peck, But barely any of them even get access to it outside of Zapdos.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wow, someone on this site that actually has any modicum of a clue what the frick theyre talking about with Gen 1. Color me surprised.

        I'd also add that, while Psychic is incredibly strong, they're more victim to their own success than Normal is. Psychic resists Psychic, so it gets less out of it's neutral coverage than you'd expect, with things like Exeggutor, Starmie, and Alakazam being common in the meta, but also as switch ins. Often times the move Psychic is used to fish for the Special drop more than the raw damage it could otherwise normally put out. Mix this with the fact that all Gen 1 Psychic Pokemon also have high Special themselves, and you see the raw damage output isnt as crazy as youd expect from the memes. Again, still amazing, but its not the all encompassing dominance that is painted normally (outside of Ubers).

        Normal has to contend with Rhydon and the (now rare) Golem and Gengar of course, but outside of that, Body Slam spam's main drawback is just not being able to paralyze other Normals. It's still laying out huge damage more often.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          One last thing I wanted to add is, this equation changes if you factor Mewtwo in.

          Gen 1 Mewtwo is so fricking ridiculously strong that the game unironically cannot properly handle its stats. Part of playing Mewtwo is literally knowing how to boost so you dont underflow its own special stat. It's (virtually) the fastest pokemon in the game, absurdly bulky, has insane firepower, and has every tool it could possibly need to the point where it doesn't care if its Psychic is resisted. It may very well be the single most broken a pokemon has ever been, even moreso than Zacian or Mega-Ray.

          this makes me think that the reason why they added Steel was to nerf Normal and resisting Psychic came as an afterthought, in my mind it makes more sense to add 2 types to nerf 2 other types than to add 2 types because of a single type

          This is extremely plausible, yeah. Gamefreak actually WAS aware of the meta, believe it or not, as Nintendo held official tourneys, and shit like Tauros was known to be busted even back then and under more primitive regulations. Pokemon Stadium reflects this with specific meta pokemon being highlighted, specific tournaments available in the JP version, and the rental sets being considerate of perceived balance at the time.

          They even reference Tauros' dominance in SM when you talk to the in game director.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Pokemon Stadium reflects this with specific meta pokemon being highlighted, specific tournaments available in the JP version, and the rental sets being considerate of perceived balance at the time.

            For the most part, in round 2, the npc trainers sets are actual irl teams that competed in the tournaments

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Part of playing Mewtwo is literally knowing how to boost so you dont underflow its own special stat
            good post but just a nerd emoji correction, it's an overflow bug, not an underflow. underflow would be dropping a stat so low that the game treats it as extremely high (which I'm sure can also happen)

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              You can't underflow your stats because there isn't any operation the game ever does that subtracts from them, but you can overflow your defenses to 0 (or set them to 0 with other glitches) and crash the game by dividing by 0, which is a lot funnier

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >it's an overflow bug, not an underflow

              Oh yeah you're right. My bad.

              Game Freak may have also intended to buff Fighting with Steel considering Steel and Dark are both weak to it. And Fighting was quite possibly the second worst type in the game after Bug.

              >Game Freak may have also intended to buff Fighting

              Also highly likely. Obviously the Steel and Dark speak for itself, but Gen 2 was when they finally started giving Fighting types some meaningful moves. Cross Chop, Dynamic punch, Mach punch, Reversal, etc.. in addition to powerful members like Hitmontop and Heracross. There was a concerted effort there.

              > And Fighting was quite possibly the second worst type in the game after Bug.

              Yeah, in fact you could very well make an argument for Fighting being outright the worst. Bug was ass too of course, but it actually matches up well into the Gen 1 meta elementally. Ground resist and SE vs Psychics is huge, and Fire, Flying and Rock weaknesses weren't that major of a concern. its just that they totally lacked any good members or good moves to take advantage of this.

              Fighting being good into Normals looks great on paper, but being Psychic weak is just a death sentence, and this issue is exacerbated by pretty much the same issues Bug had.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Slash and Double Edge were also particularly gross in G1. And Swift was actually obnoxious.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Was playing pokemon stadium with rentals and Giovanni's Persian could nearly 2-hit-ko the rental vaporeon I was using. Slash Crits are wild.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I'd also add that, while Psychic is incredibly strong, they're more victim to their own success than Normal is. Psychic resists Psychic, so it gets less out of it's neutral coverage than you'd expect, with things like Exeggutor, Starmie, and Alakazam being common in the meta, but also as switch ins. Often times the move Psychic is used to fish for the Special drop more than the raw damage it could otherwise normally put out. Mix this with the fact that all Gen 1 Psychic Pokemon also have high Special themselves, and you see the raw damage output isnt as crazy as youd expect from the memes. Again, still amazing, but its not the all encompassing dominance that is painted normally (outside of Ubers).
          Exeggutor used to be considered a mandatory option in RBY until Victreebel of all pokemon came along and started destroying teams after their fast psychic got paralyzed. Now Victreebel isn't as good but it goes to show that if even something like victreebel can pose a threat to Psychic pokemon then their dominance is highly overstated. Now here's a question I've been wondering, If Mew dropped to OU how badly would it warp the meta.

          >Normal has to contend with Rhydon and the (now rare) Golem and Gengar of course, but outside of that, Body Slam spam's main drawback is just not being able to paralyze other Normals. It's still laying out huge damage more often.
          It's also a factor that the Normal type gained a lot from their bizarrely varied movepools like Tauros getting access to EQ and Blizzard to hit those normal resists hard. I think it says more that cloyster is one of the better checks to Tauros because of its sky high defense stat which lets it take some Normal hits from Tauros.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I made this as a bait thread because I was under the impression that none of you homosexuals even trivially knew what RBY is like so this feels a bit weird to read
            >If Mew dropped to OU how badly would it warp the meta
            This is called mewbers and it's not horrible but not really an improvement either.
            https://www.pokemonperfect.com/forums/index.php?threads/viability-rankings.3934/
            Mew is way more immediately exploitable than something like mewtwo but bulky sd and sd+boom are things you'd fricking kill for in the regular meta. The fact that those things DON'T exist is the reason why the meta is so defensive with reflectlax mirrors and 100% chansey. However the pool of mons that are good doesn't change at all

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >
              Mew is way more immediately exploitable than something like mewtwo but bulky sd and sd+boom are things you'd fricking kill for in the regular meta. The fact that those things DON'T exist is the reason why the meta is so defensive with reflectlax mirrors and 100% chansey. However the pool of mons that are good doesn't change at all
              Noticed that chansey isn't considered as great in Mewbers than it is in standard. Guess SD Mew really does hamper anything it wants to try. Also Slowbro being much better came as quite a shock as well.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well mew isn't the problem for chansey, it's that if you aren't also facing mewtwo (ie in ubers where it has 90% usage) your incentive to use chansey plummets because no one is even going to build around special attackers in a meta like this. Similar ideas exist in standard where if you stack mons that completely rape psychics you don't even need chansey, and chansey will probably decline a bit because of this being used in practice now, see kaz's teams: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/rby-invitational-iii-teams-replays-and-usage-stats.3705262/
                Slowbro on the other hand does the same shit that it does in ubers but better.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >I made this as a bait thread because I was under the impression that none of you homosexuals even trivially knew what RBY is like so this feels a bit weird to read
              Well to be fair I also make bait posts so it makes sense.

              [...]

              This was mine, I always think it's funny watching people fight.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wow, someone on this site that actually has any modicum of a clue what the frick theyre talking about with Gen 1. Color me surprised.

        I'd also add that, while Psychic is incredibly strong, they're more victim to their own success than Normal is. Psychic resists Psychic, so it gets less out of it's neutral coverage than you'd expect, with things like Exeggutor, Starmie, and Alakazam being common in the meta, but also as switch ins. Often times the move Psychic is used to fish for the Special drop more than the raw damage it could otherwise normally put out. Mix this with the fact that all Gen 1 Psychic Pokemon also have high Special themselves, and you see the raw damage output isnt as crazy as youd expect from the memes. Again, still amazing, but its not the all encompassing dominance that is painted normally (outside of Ubers).

        Normal has to contend with Rhydon and the (now rare) Golem and Gengar of course, but outside of that, Body Slam spam's main drawback is just not being able to paralyze other Normals. It's still laying out huge damage more often.

        psychic is broken broken in the games. in comp it's just powerful.

        I made this as a bait thread because I was under the impression that none of you homosexuals even trivially knew what RBY is like so this feels a bit weird to read
        >If Mew dropped to OU how badly would it warp the meta
        This is called mewbers and it's not horrible but not really an improvement either.
        https://www.pokemonperfect.com/forums/index.php?threads/viability-rankings.3934/
        Mew is way more immediately exploitable than something like mewtwo but bulky sd and sd+boom are things you'd fricking kill for in the regular meta. The fact that those things DON'T exist is the reason why the meta is so defensive with reflectlax mirrors and 100% chansey. However the pool of mons that are good doesn't change at all

        >Mew is way more immediately exploitable than something like mewtwo
        play randoms. mewtwo is way worse even with its level cucked. barrier + amnesia + recover is way stronger than sd + sb. most pokémon need multiple crits and/or multiple paras to break through mewtwo, or you press blizzard and pray. mew gets fricked by para way harder than mewtwo cause its got no def options.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          "exploitable" means you can turn its presence on the opponent's side into an advantage, it's the opposite of how you interpreted it and I'm basically implying what you said. Also no one cares about your poliwag meta

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            i love my poliwag meta

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Frick, I remember Exeggutor being more of a problem in Gen 1 because it was considerably sturdier than a moist towelette.

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    this makes me think that the reason why they added Steel was to nerf Normal and resisting Psychic came as an afterthought, in my mind it makes more sense to add 2 types to nerf 2 other types than to add 2 types because of a single type

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Game Freak may have also intended to buff Fighting with Steel considering Steel and Dark are both weak to it. And Fighting was quite possibly the second worst type in the game after Bug.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fighting was pretty much THE worst type in the game. At least Scyther and Pinsir were decent. There isn't a single worthwhile Fighting type in Gen 1.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Normal wasn't only good because it was a good type. Normal was good because Normal types also typically got pretty insane movepools.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dark was a preemptive ghost nerf

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Gen1 move distribution was so weird.
    The single-player argument doesn't hold since other JRPGs very hardly, if ever make certain elements stuck with only a few weak moves.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The single-player argument doesn't hold since other JRPGs very hardly, if ever make certain elements stuck with only a few weak moves.

      What does the way other games handle things have to do with the way Pokemon does? Most other JRPGs dont have you have a choice of 150 playable characters either. It's not really a fair comparison.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's as easy as making a move with high enough BP and 100 accuracy for each type. Which is what they eventually did anyway.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Right, but I dont think the intention from the beginning was to make it so that every type was balanced. Bug types are probably the stand out example of this, as they were explicitly designed with the intention of teaching the player the concept of evolution, to presumably be replaced later. You can also see this inversely with Dragon's type MUs as theyre somewhat nonsensical on their own (resisting Fire and Water makes sense, but Grass and Electric is out there), but when viewed through the lense of Dragon acting as a penultimate final boss where the player is likely to have Fire, Grass, Electric or Water types, it makes more sense. This is where that single player reasoning comes in, not that the types or movepools are balanced against each other, but balanced against the idea of what progression in Gen 1 might've been.

          I made this as a bait thread because I was under the impression that none of you homosexuals even trivially knew what RBY is like so this feels a bit weird to read
          >If Mew dropped to OU how badly would it warp the meta
          This is called mewbers and it's not horrible but not really an improvement either.
          https://www.pokemonperfect.com/forums/index.php?threads/viability-rankings.3934/
          Mew is way more immediately exploitable than something like mewtwo but bulky sd and sd+boom are things you'd fricking kill for in the regular meta. The fact that those things DON'T exist is the reason why the meta is so defensive with reflectlax mirrors and 100% chansey. However the pool of mons that are good doesn't change at all

          >I made this as a bait thread because I was under the impression that none of you homosexuals even trivially knew what RBY is like so this feels a bit weird to read

          Fricking lol.

          I dont blame you though, the amount of moronic shit this site spews out had me expecting the same.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Bug types are probably the stand out example of this, as they were explicitly designed with the intention of teaching the player the concept of evolution, to presumably be replaced later

            This makes sense for Butterfree and Beedrill but you can't convince me that Scyther and Pinsir were intended to suck as much as they did

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              What metric do they suck under and how much? They're both pretty serviceable with a full moveset but I can see how ingame you'd want to have a nice day if you had to level a pinsir to 49 just to unlock slash

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Scyther having no moves really sucks. It's way too easy to wall.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >It's as easy as making a move with high enough BP and 100 accuracy for each type. Which is what they eventually did anyway.
          poor rock fans

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >switch to Golem
    >now Snorlax loses a turn

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >you predicted hyper beam and switch to golem
      >oh no, you predicted wrong, roll the wheel of punishment non
      >did you risk a 30% of getting your ground type paralyzed?
      >did you eat an EQ or even worst, a blizzard?
      >are you now forced to boom because an amnesia ora barrier was set up?
      >does your golem have to dodge a sing?

      There's a reason snorlax has the usage it has, bud

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        People used sing?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          He's confused and thinks lovely kiss lax in GSC was sing lax in RBY or something but yes Chansey runs sing on any team that has no other sleeper, because the game will be 5v6 if you don't fit sleep in somehow

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >switch into ur mom
      >im ur daddy now LOL
      >go to your room, son

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine if X-Scissor was in G1
    And Parasect would still be useless.

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: Zoomzooms who don't realise the huge extent to which simulator play differs from cartridge play

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I play both and have a funny feeling that you're a 22 year old sinnohfetus who thinks he's a millennial, because nothing mentioned in this thread relates to the sim inaccuracies

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >AI-generated post

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    You zoomers think Alakazam has a high defense because he resists your dark type moves a bit. But not so fast guys!

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Were bug and poison super effective to each other in Stadium 1 or was that fixed by that point?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bug and poison were shit in Gen 1 (Nidoking was better without the poison type moves) but I could not tell you for stadium. A lot of this stuff balanced out over Gens

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes and so was bug. As niche as it is, the few mons that can learn a bug move (parasect with leech life for ex) end up doing 4x to most grass mons because of the poison typing

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Normal and Psychic are hands-down the best types
    >fricking Ice is arguably the third best type
    Gen 1 is a weird place to be.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      water is the third best type

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Best type to be, maybe, but much like ice being good coverage for water types to have ice in Gen 1 is just really solid for anyone. Hell, Jynx is pretty great and it's ice type, although really there's so few ice types that it's hard to say how good it is. It's not like Dragon that has one fully evolved Pokemon and an absolutely dogshit move though.

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine if Dragonite was normal type in gen 1

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Snorlax
    >the second most broken Pokemon in Gen 1
    Nice strawman, moron.

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