>pirate game >install it. >uninstall it. >installt it again >do it numerous times
Nothing personality devs
wait what the fuck how would unity know if the game is installed?
unity games don't actually need "installers" you can get the files and just drag the game files to a folder and play.
so this must mean that Unity is infecting every game build with DRM?
Yeah, they've become DRM: destroyer of pcs but in reality it would just affect Steam who would be forced to make Unity's homework in telling which user did what.
>so this must mean that Unity is infecting every game build with DRM?
Are you all seriously unaware that every Unity game has shipped with telemetry for years? It's a default option that devs can't even turn off. They've clearly just stuck some extra shit in there to phone home and give them a hwid or something which they will compare to their existing database and bam, if you're a new user the dev gets hit with another 20c charge on their account.
there's telemetry but it was never built with this business model in mind. it's going to be a shitshow regardless. i expect most big companies are going to drag this shit into court and try to exhaust unity into giving up, because this shit is extremely shady. i doubt we'll even get that far
yeah it's possible they will, but they will likely first drag them into a legal battle because it puts pressure on unity and they know they have the advantage. all they need to do is stall for time since they know unity will eventually budge for a pittance. i don't think we will even get that far because someone at unity will inevitably do the math and realize they will lose more money than they will gain from all these attempted shakedowns.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
no they won't because there is no legal argument against what they are doing. gays being assmad on x is not a legal argument
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
legal arguments are more or less meaningless as long as they are not comically retarded. unity's argument is just barely solid enough to drag this shit into court but not much beyond that. their plan is to threaten legal action and hope for the best. but for whatever reason they are doing the equivalent of patent trolling with like 10 of the biggest game companies in the world
i still think the "CEO's retirement plan + incompetent nepo baby business grads" theory makes the most sense
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'd imagine conjuring up a new bullshit fee that wasn't part of the original license wouldn't survive in court. At best Unity can tell you to not use their engine anymore, just like if you quit your subscription.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
original license is one thing but that doesn't cover games yet to be released
unity has had built in telemetry for a long time now its very easy for a program to ping back at home base everytime you play it, its extremely simple technology
telemetry isn't DRM, it doesn't prevent you from using the software, it just tells unity that you did.
Also, pretty much every game made in the last 10 years or so, unity or not, phones home.
If you want to take an extremely literal and pedantic approach you could say telemetry is a form of DRM depending on your definition of "rights" and "management" but yeah that would be kind of missing the point.
>First time
No, it's EVERY time. They do not record user data, only that the game is installed. They measure every single install. This is direct from Unity's FAQ.
They've updated the terms. >Unity "regrouped" and now says ONLY the initial installation of a game triggers a fee >Demos mostly won't trigger fees >Devs not on the hook for Game Pass
I dont understand why they are going about this in such a roundabout way? do they want a cut of the profits? just charge a percentage per sale like steam/epic does. Why track this weird metric of 'installs'? do they not want to be paid if someone doesnt play a game?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>do they want a cut of the profits? just charge a percentage per sale like steam/epic does. Why track this weird metric of 'installs'?
because this way they can just make up an amount, and tell you to fuck off if you ask how their telemetry supposedly works
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
telling customers to 'fuck off' seem moronic when they arent even the biggest player in the industry
They can't actually track any of that shit, their telemetry plan is still a total "dude trust me bro" black box.
They're basically demanding they get to make up a number every month that each dev has to pay them, and they don't tell you how they arrived at that number.
They already admitted they can't track end user information, so they have absolutely no clue what's a reinstall and what's a normal install.
Some glorious gay with a botnet can still put a dev into bankruptcy with download fees.
>"Wow, they listened to us!" >"Good guy Unity only putting the dildo 11" up our ass instead of 12"
It's pathetic that this will likely satisfy people. The plan all along. Announce something diabolically evil then dial it back slightly when people get outraged, and you get what you actually wanted all along while people think they "won" against the evil corporation.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Literally nobody is saying this. Even on a corpo dicksucking site like Twitter, Unity is still getting blasted in every orifice like they're the town bike at a fertility festival.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
This will have long-term effects because people can move to Godot and other FOSS in order to avoid any future licensing incidents with Unity.
You would be surprised how many modern programs have telemetry, virtually everything phones home unless you setup your firewall to explicitly block everything by default.
Official statement is that Unity is just going to guess how many installs you've had, and you better respect the fact they aren't going to disclose their calculations.
>Here's the invoice for ten million dollars, no you may not see the line items. >Yes Mrs. Judge Judy our proprietary tracking software is totally accurate and no you may not see how it works
It also applies to any kind of streaming . Including in-browser content or stream play like Stadia or Xbox game pass. Literally every time you open an browser game in private mode /counts as download
>angry female character in important position
500x reinstall >a loudmouth black character
2000x reinstall for each >nonwhite protagonist
5000x reinstall >interracial relationship
10000x reinstall >overtly homosexual character
10000x reinstall >uglified female character
25000x reinstall >trans character
50000x reinstall >game developers make a public statement supporting any of the above
50000x reinstall >in-game graphics downgraded compared to advertised graphics
50000x reinstall
this is how i will vote with my wallet in Unity videogames
i can automate this procedure into costing developers thousands of dollars a day easily
don't want to go broke devs? watch yourselves
wasn't he the dev that decided to ban all the "alt-right" players from his game and turned an heterosexual character into his self insert homosexual player ?
>I hate these millenial devs >they're all massive crybaby gays
And you can tell from their writing. It's always so verbose and they try so hard to be relatable and le heckin quirky
You retards think this shit is funny. What's not funny is developers putting a hard limit on installs and downloads. That would KILL the industry with the same bullshit Disney tried doing with DVDs that would brick themselves.
This has been tried in the past a couple times in fact. An old PC game Return to Zork only allowed you to install it one time and bricked its own installer afterwards. Couple other examples exist. Needless to say, they weren't popular and didn't catch on.
They say they have a super secret internal way that they refuse to tell anybody about and that it can discount fraudulent installs and everything. In other words they're just guessing .
>angry female character in important position
500x reinstall >a loudmouth black character
2000x reinstall for each >nonwhite protagonist
5000x reinstall >interracial relationship
10000x reinstall >overtly homosexual character
10000x reinstall >uglified female character
25000x reinstall >trans character
50000x reinstall >game developers make a public statement supporting any of the above
50000x reinstall >in-game graphics downgraded compared to advertised graphics
50000x reinstall
this is how i will vote with my wallet in Unity videogames
i can automate this procedure into costing developers thousands of dollars a day easily
don't want to go broke devs? watch yourselves
Reminder that pic related was responsible for that dialogue, and for that game specifically was director, producer AND writer. She's a fucking gift to video games and that useless hack Druckerman got rid of her.
She worked on Forspoken too, as such I'm forced to doubt she actually wrote dialogue for Legacy of Kain and instead the studio simply used her for female writer goodboy points.
I would take it with a grain of salt, because while it's definitely good at gauging whether something is "highbrow" or "lowbrow," it isn't perfect. I took a short paragraph I wrote from an ERP and got ~120 IQ. When I added the phrase "poop butt" to the end, I got an extra 10 points.
Fuck off, chud. Most studios are reliant on Unity which means they will pass the costs down to consumers. Indie developers will add microtransactions among other features or give up on their dreams. We will miss out on tons of great indie games because of human greed and be stuck with shitty AAA games which promote everything you listed
Or just raise the price of the games as a whole to offset the losses?
Expand your brain.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's not gonna do it because the amount of installs is functionally infinite. Even without doing
>angry female character in important position
500x reinstall >a loudmouth black character
2000x reinstall for each >nonwhite protagonist
5000x reinstall >interracial relationship
10000x reinstall >overtly homosexual character
10000x reinstall >uglified female character
25000x reinstall >trans character
50000x reinstall >game developers make a public statement supporting any of the above
50000x reinstall >in-game graphics downgraded compared to advertised graphics
50000x reinstall
this is how i will vote with my wallet in Unity videogames
i can automate this procedure into costing developers thousands of dollars a day easily
don't want to go broke devs? watch yourselves
people still will uninstall and reinstall games all the time as a normal part of owning a game. So the Unity tax can grow without limit but the dev profits can't.
I can cost a dev $8 just doing casual rerolls on lunch with my single phone, while talking with my coworkers, and I have no experience with botting or automating.
A sufficiently motivated autist, or, heaven forbid, multiple coordinated autists, could easily ruin an indie and definitely put a dent even in the larger companies that will be able to afford the price per install cut of the higher package.
There is 0 chance this change goes live and Unity survives to tell the tale. The risk is too massive.
This will happen short term. We'll all be better off longterm as devs adjust, unity dies, and godot and other foss engines get tons of support from people who don't want to see this kind of shit happen again.
That’s actually how it works.
It’s 0.2$ every time there is an install. If someone installs it and then reinstalls it, it’s 0.4$
>angry female character in important position
500x reinstall >a loudmouth black character
2000x reinstall for each >nonwhite protagonist
5000x reinstall >interracial relationship
10000x reinstall >overtly homosexual character
10000x reinstall >uglified female character
25000x reinstall >trans character
50000x reinstall >game developers make a public statement supporting any of the above
50000x reinstall >in-game graphics downgraded compared to advertised graphics
50000x reinstall
this is how i will vote with my wallet in Unity videogames
i can automate this procedure into costing developers thousands of dollars a day easily
don't want to go broke devs? watch yourselves
You’re gonna need to reinstall your games a lot more than that, though of course it’ll be automated.
500 installs will only cost the company 100$. If you want to actually put a dent in their company, you need to install games in the millions.
500 a day. one autist. 178,000 a year. 35,600 a year. Youre right, thats not a ton of money. but thats one autist. get a second computer? get 3 friends?
A group of ten computers sink more than a quarter million dollars. An indie studio is fucking gone. Even on a reasonable scale, you can destroy any small company. Even bigger studios will start caring if a bunch of bad actors get pissed. 50 angry Russian bots could drain a millions a year. im glad, unity fucking sucks and i want to see it sink. this is crazy to think everyone wont jump ship.
You wouldn't even need that. Just run a packet sniffer during install, capture it, and then send it to the unity server hundreds of times a second.
That's assuming this isn't just a screen for unity to make up whatever numbers they want.
Devs in AA and AAA are paid salaries, they dont get equity. All indie has to do is to drop chud pandering and it's going to do fine. It targets exactly the people responsible.
This is why the world is so faggy nowadays, because instead of trying to educate people you find undesirable you just want to alienate them all. You might be able to remove trannies from the limelight but if you really think you can somehow erase blacks and women from media you're as mentally ill as the trannies. You catch more flies with honey you know.
>No LGBTQ++ pride flag in the game
500x reinstalls (it only costs 5 mins of work and a couple of megabytes to be an ally) >Not having a marginalized person in the main cast
1000x reinstalls (be more sensitive) >Any kind of phobia implied in game
10000x reinstalls (dont be a bully) >Having oversexualized women
5000x reinstalls for every woman (be more respectful) >Glorifying toxic masculinity
10000x reinstalls (the future is fem, sweety) >Having a cis white male protagonist
500000x reinstalls(check your privilege boy and sit your ass down) >Only featuring hetero relationships
100000x reinstalls(get on with the times gramps)
We can also play this game, lil fella, and remember that we are more autistic and more capable than you hitler loving retards are in terms of computer science.
Every chud that makes a chud game will be obliterated to hell. Be nice. You have been warned.
>What is Valheim >What is Rust >What is unity of command
There are lots of chud games to be found in unity if you bother to use the google search engine to see for yourself. I will admit though that you are true to some extent. Chuds are incapable of using a computer properly because they lack the brain capacity.
Therefore, there are not many chud games to be found in unity, and consequently, no chud is gonna to abuse Unity's new shit system.
However, we with the knowledge, not only we can scare the chuds away from making videogames, but we can also push the devs that are trying to be inclusive with their games to be even more inclusive and even more progressive. Unity's latest misstep and a frog's shitpost can finally be the way for the LGBTQ community to have total control over the indie industry and use it more actively to stop the bigotry and spread the message of love and acceptance.
(You) call it a bait, I call it a call to arms. Me and my discord friends here are already preparing our python scripts for intial testing while making a list with chud unity games that need correction. See ya in the warzone, boss!
I've shat on this engine for at least half a decade just because it should've always been a mobileshit thing instead of essentially replacing flash games on PC, people can trash the alternatives all they want but at least they have real computers as the target platform.
7/10, needs more falseflag include some trans kids references on it
>We can also play this game, lil fella, and remember that we are more autistic and more capable than you hitler loving retards are in terms of computer science. >Every chud that makes a chud game will be obliterated to hell. Be nice. You have been warned.
>We can also play this game, lil fella, and remember that we are more autistic and more capable than you hitler loving retards are in terms of computer science.
lmfao what a gay
The smartest frog poster just posted.
You can already see
>No LGBTQ++ pride flag in the game
500x reinstalls (it only costs 5 mins of work and a couple of megabytes to be an ally) >Not having a marginalized person in the main cast
1000x reinstalls (be more sensitive) >Any kind of phobia implied in game
10000x reinstalls (dont be a bully) >Having oversexualized women
5000x reinstalls for every woman (be more respectful) >Glorifying toxic masculinity
10000x reinstalls (the future is fem, sweety) >Having a cis white male protagonist
500000x reinstalls(check your privilege boy and sit your ass down) >Only featuring hetero relationships
100000x reinstalls(get on with the times gramps)
We can also play this game, lil fella, and remember that we are more autistic and more capable than you hitler loving retards are in terms of computer science.
Every chud that makes a chud game will be obliterated to hell. Be nice. You have been warned.
they are already afraid!!!!!! (6/10 bait, got me to reply)
Doesn't this post violate US law?
Conspiring to bankrupt a company through coordinated abuse of intercompany policies is against US law and punishable as a felony with several years and thousands of dollars in fine.
You guys say that but your action contradict your words. You all boot lick and defend corporations 24/7 online FOR FREE, the second chuds point and laugh at them
>If I catch anyone doing this we are banning you from our games
Holy shit, that opens up a new trolling tactic >install malware on fucko's PC >reinstall his steam games over and over >retard gets banned from all his games for "abuse" >???? >PROFIT!
Thanks poojetdevs
>i can automate this procedure into costing developers thousands of dollars a day easily
Haha, as if they'd be stupid enough to let you reinstall a game more than 3 times a month.
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wait what the fuck how would unity know if the game is installed?
unity games don't actually need "installers" you can get the files and just drag the game files to a folder and play.
so this must mean that Unity is infecting every game build with DRM?
>so this must mean that Unity is infecting every game build with DRM?
Are you all seriously unaware that every Unity game has shipped with telemetry for years? It's a default option that devs can't even turn off. They've clearly just stuck some extra shit in there to phone home and give them a hwid or something which they will compare to their existing database and bam, if you're a new user the dev gets hit with another 20c charge on their account.
>wait what the fuck how would unity know if the game is installed?
They'll probably leverage something like ~~*TPMs*~~ to create unique IDs. Alternatively, user accounts.
>so this must mean that Unity is infecting every game build with DRM?
Are you all seriously unaware that every Unity game has shipped with telemetry for years? It's a default option that devs can't even turn off. They've clearly just stuck some extra shit in there to phone home and give them a hwid or something which they will compare to their existing database and bam, if you're a new user the dev gets hit with another 20c charge on their account.
[...]
wait what the fuck how would unity know if the game is installed?
unity games don't actually need "installers" you can get the files and just drag the game files to a folder and play.
so this must mean that Unity is infecting every game build with DRM?
and they called me crazy for wanting to build my own engine from scratch to avoid this exact bullshit and whatever other fine print on the devil's contract
>and they called me crazy for wanting to build my own engine from scratch to avoid this exact bullshit and whatever other fine print on the devil's contract
Nah man, they called you crazy for not just forking one of the open source engines.
How's it run?
the trigonometry needed to get 3d graphics to run made my brain implode, but after some time of just grinding it away and a few youtube videos later, i'm starting to render the blender cube with no issues
meanwhile, they will look at the download metrics and go "WOW! people really want to play our game! look at all these downloads!" and they will keep making them. your own strategy is a monkey's paw.
Of course they will be. But also go woke go broke. But also endless ESG money. But also Unity installs will now lose them endless money. But also Blackrock will print them endless money. But also
>gigawoke games made in unity
ALL OF THEM ANON unironically all of the games made with unity are woke shit
wasn't he the dev that decided to ban all the "alt-right" players from his game and turned an heterosexual character into his self insert homosexual player ?
>No longer will talentless shit peddlers inundate the industry
Finally the age of indistinguishable unity tech demo 568432 with low poly 3d has come to a close.
This
People think that low talent indies will go away when Unreal is the more no-code friendly engine.
Whats going to happen is that unity indie devs just bump up the price of their games, other devs see this and follow suit even if they don't use Unity.
5$ game is now 15$
10$ game is now 20$
20$ game is now a 30$
and AAA devs will see how the price floor has risen and take this excuse to jump from 70$'s to 80$/90$
Raising the price of games won't solve anything with how retarded this policy is. Under the structure as described and re-clarified one disgruntled retard uninstalling and reinstalling a pirated copy of the game over and over again could fold any company with a Unity game.
I don't care about this. The best indie games are not built off of Unity, sad for "AggroCrabGames" maybe, but I struggle to find something I'd be missing out on. Anyway this decision is suicidal for Unity, the entire concept is so braindead it hurts
>Corporate parasites can change their ToS to whatever absurd bullshit they want at any point to pull the rug from under you, because you'll either have to obey the new rules regardless of previously established agreements or abandon your investment
Heh. Private property, chuddie, shouldn't have agreed to the ToS if you didn't like it.
>free engine retards getting mad over not being able to use those shitty engines
bro there are literally better game engines like source engine, etc. that you can simply use for a better engine...
unity is not a free engine and never has been.
there is a very scammy and malicious pay structure in place just to remove the logo.
they will offer you a "months subscription" but the fine print says it's actually a 1 month payment portion of a years subscription and they will have their lawyers on you, asking for the rest of the years subscription payment.
I don't even know how they legally get away with half the shit they do.
>only the initial installation
What's the point? Might as well just introduce a per purchase fee. That might get them more money considering the state of most steam libraries.
You ALSO have to make 200K revenue for it to kick in, so it only affects F2P shit and not true free releases.
At that point it's "Suffering from success"
As usual Ganker is blowing things they barely understand out of proportion, le sigh.
>Unity "regrouped" and now says ONLY the initial installation of a game triggers a fee
doesn't fix anything >Devs not on the hook for Game Pass
lol xGODS win again, shitty prize though
>only the initial installation
What's the point? Might as well just introduce a per purchase fee. That might get them more money considering the state of most steam libraries.
>announce hilariously evil intentions >walk them back into being slightly evil >people sigh in relief because it could've been worse >you knew this would happen and the slightly evil scenario was always your plan
classic
Even if they backpedalled completely it's over, ever touching "installs" in the first place you already made it clear your company is pure cancer, notice how they didn't say a thing about browser games either
If they were just going to charge for an initial installation, charging the same fee for each individual purchase would essentially be the same thing. Seems more like to me they just said some legalese mumbojumbo to make it sound better on paper, while still being able to go through with the initial plan eventually down the line. Otherwise there's no real point in basing it off of installs, unless they somehow plan on getting money for every pirated copy, which I don't see how that's possible as generally cracked .exes remove telemetry data. Or even how it's legal, considering there was no authorized sale to be "taxed."
There's no amount of backtracking will save them from this major fuck up in the long run. Every dev lost their trust in Unity as a company. They basically said >we will charge you for nothing if we want to and you will pay us
I'm genuinely starting to think a way to hire some third worlders that don't have to deal with data cap at all to run a script to install and uninstall indiegays gamer over and over again when this get implemented.
I bet they would totally do it if I pay them $20 per week to leave their computer to run the script for the whole week without any rest.
This just sound so fucking exploitable and easy to do without having to be genuinely involved
>Shit ass "journalist" jumps to the conclusion that people will abuse the new system to make devs they don't like pay more by uninstalling and reinstalling
I guarantee you nobody was thinking of that before she said something
that's right anon
all the anons here that instantly thought about abusable loopholes are journo falseflaggers, because only journos have brains and cocks large enough to think of that
unironically though, why dont they just not pay?
while the class action lawsuit is filed by a whole bunch of butthurt developers at once just refuse to pay in the meantime
Kind of funny that Unity is doing essentially what D&D did earlier this year by changing OGL and all the backlash they got over it. You would think they'd learn from that but I guess big companies are just really oblivious to what other companies are doing or there greed is so bad they can't see how bad an idea they are proposing really is.
Digital distribution was a mistake in from its earliest form. You are literally paying full price to rent shit and get caught in the middle of corporate wars
Honestly, the best way to throw this shit in the trash can is for some dev to rack up a billion dollars in download fees and take it to court, showcasing how ridiculous the policy is
Worse case scenario is some indie bitch boy takes a 500 dollar fee to court and the know-nothing judge sides with Unity because "$500 dollars isn't that much
How much pressure can goytards take before they decide to finally fucking wake up?
Can they just be indefinitely abused without ever trying to retaliate?
if this actually goes through, could you just start selling encrypted game files and have a tool for the end-user to conveniently compile the game himself?
i have a hard time reading these things but would this actually do anything if (You) as the developer of the game owned all the rights to the game itself? i feel like unity's charges would only apply if you went through the regular motions of compiling and distributing your game... or are the owners of the engine considered to have partial ownership of copyright in any case?
if "the game" includes software and code owned by unity then no. going through alternative motions is just circumvention designed to defraud unity. you won't just get sued, you will go to prison
It's the runtime. If you ship their runtime (which you need if you want Unity games to work), you owe them money. It's that simple.
This is basic shit even gamedevlets know.
That would require actual programming knowledge, something current vidya devs lack. If you can't do it by connecting dots on a blueprint pannel - it is impossible for them
Trying to enforce a retroactive contract on products that were already released before these terms existed, and the CEO dumping all his stock immediately before the announcement because he knew the value would tank, are definitely going to see court hearings
idk what the unity license says but generally rights to use a saas are not perpetual. unity can change their monetization for the same reason youtube can ban users when they change their tos
Someone has to distribute games with unity telemetry off and that would be illegal, so no software distribution service like steam, epic or ms store, as well as no store that sells physical copies of games will do it. It is pretty much "upload it straight to torrents" route, but that doesn't pay
>The end user has no licensing agreement with Unity and doesn't have to allow unwanted traffic on their PC.
They already have been, for years.
Congratulations, if you've run a Unity game in the past decade you've had their telemetry run too - because it is a nonoptional component of any Unity exe.
Yes, even for that shitty WEG that really should have been a renpy game. They all have it, whether the dev wants or even knows its there.
You absolutely can, but that doesn't fucking matter at all for 2 reasons.
1) 99.9% of end users won't, because they don't know or care about this, and likely have no idea what engine a game runs on.
2) Unity is not, will not, and does not have to disclose how they're getting their numbers and will charge whatever they think they can get away with. They likely have some bullshit extrapolation that takes into account 'power users' and people with shite internet.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Unity is not, will not, and does not have to disclose how they're getting their numbers
Well then they're inviting lawsuits because you can't just charge people an amount that is supposedly based on a hard metric, but then refuse to provide verifiable data showing that your charges are accurate.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Evidently they believe they can get away with it, because that's what their doing.
They've said their method is 'proprietary' and cannot be disclosed.
I hope they get sued into bankruptcy, but they won't.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Fuck me, that's what they're* doing
So mad I can't even type right.
Streaming Unity Games counts as installations so both Twitch and YouTube streamers are affected by this.
>Install definition
>The installation and initialization of a game or app on an end user’s device as well as distribution via streaming is considered an “install.” Games or apps with substantially similar content may be counted as one project, with installs then aggregated to calculate the Unity Runtime Fee.
>Each game or app’s cumulative install amount cannot be reset or reduced even if it has been sold, transferred to a new party, changed its name, been republished as a new version, added expansion content, or had its unique identifier (e.g., BundleID) altered. Additionally, a change in publisher or distributor does not reset the cumulative install amount.
>>The installation and initialization of a game or app on an end user’s device as well as distribution via streaming is considered an “install.” Games or apps with substantially similar conte
Streaming is not for video content dumb fuck, it<s for cloud gaming.
that I'm not a leftie or that I work in game dev? I work indie mostly but I still make the vast majority of my earnings in gaming.
I know plenty of artists and game devs who aren't lefties or aren't woke in the slightest in general.
added a rough sketch that will never see the light of day to prove I'm not a complete shitter.
>Prole grovels to petite bourgousie thug
Pathetic.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm not sure what you mean, but it's called working anon.
But whatever.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not him but quick question. Will AI replace you?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not him but quick question, will you ever be a woman?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Probably not. Why do you ask?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
at some point, sure, not for now though, I take care of too many tasks that go beyond raw rendering and generic, chaotic iterations.
For now it's just not consistent, precise, flexible enough and lacks intelligent feedback to be truly dangerous to my work.
Luckily for me a lot of people still value parasocial relationships, so until humans completely change mindsets and forgo humanity, I'll always have some sort of clientele, that's what I think at least.
This is all under the optics of making money of course, personally I draw for my own pleasure only and have given up a lot of lucrative avenues to have more freedom and free time, so even when AIs eventually take over, I'll still do what I like to do if I'm allowed.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
now this is schizo posting
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I got it dude, you don't give a fuck, you can go back moron and chud posting now.
Devs there are paid salaries too, it is not "we work for food", just the company is smaller. Even easier to make them not pander to trannies and blACKs
>Regardless of how the copy was obtained
You're telling me the dream of literally bankrupting a company by pirating a game over and over again will be a reality?
DO WHAT YOU WANT, CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE
i've been here since 07 i don't give a fuck what you say, gaming will be better off if all the unity fake dev fame obsessed temporarily embarrassed millionaires disappeared
>one autist in his basement makes his own game engine for his RPG series and refused to use the same engine again for sequels >modern game devs cry when they can't asset flip in garden gnome-controlled unity
i miss those days...
being shit is good as long as it's happening to people I don't like
well that's what you have been saying for a decade
now you're shocked when it's happening to you, like we said it would all along
the companies legally have to agree to pay them in order to keep using their engine, if they aren't allowed to use the engine they aren't allowed to distribute nor operate the games they own in any way BECAUSE they use that engine
Godot's entire design philosophy is to not have licensing. If the official devs go under, people can fork the source code and continue to work with it.
Imagine being the judge looking at this case >so the defendant never signed a contract, they merely clicked an 'i agree' button >and this payment structure was only added AFTER the defendant finished and published their game using your engine >according to YOUR internal data with which methods of gathering you won't reveal to the court, the defendant's game, this... 'Doki Doki Hotel Harem: Cumsplosion Chronicles' has been downloaded six billion times and now they owe you 1.2 billion dollars >hm...
>so the defendant never signed a contract, they merely clicked an 'i agree' button
an agreement is an agreement unless you can prove that someone didn't have the capacity to enter a contract >and this payment structure was only added AFTER the defendant finished and published their game using your engine
generally service contacts are written so that if they change the contract you need to agree to the new terms and conditions to continue to use the service >according to YOUR internal data with which methods of gathering you won't reveal to the court, the defendant's game, this... 'Doki Doki Hotel Harem: Cumsplosion Chronicles' has been downloaded six billion times and now they owe you 1.2 billion dollars
they can procedures in the law to use secret information like this in the lawsuit. the methods need to be disclosed in the court but they don't need to be disclosed to the public. also they can include language in the initial contract to force you into an nda if sued.
US judges are put through programs to teach them that corporate freedom is the essential pillar of US democracy, even if, or especially if sometimes, it violates the freedoms of the clients or is only possible from holding a monopoly.
US judged do uphold the ToS. It seems unbelievable, but yes, they absolutely do. If you want to use the monopoly service, you implicitly "agree" and the system will punish you for upsetting the monopoly, every time.
In this case it would be big corporations suing Unity though, so the judge would probably rule whichever way makes the most corporations happy i.e. against Unity.
No. The larger corporations will make a special deal with Unity and the judge will masturbate about how smart all the lawyers are to be on retainer. He'll say it's so good, it's such a working system, so much better than anti-trust laws.
And then he'll ask the smaller companies why they're stupid and don't have lawyers on retainer, getting them special contracts, like the smart, very good, successful companies did.
The fact that money is the obvious answer won't register because if you don't have money you don't get freedoms. People without money are not a pillar of this nation's success, they are just holding back al, the good, smart companies, however few of them there are.
Probably becomes an industry standard in more areas and unless you're working for a major corporate monopoly, if you make something you might be on the hook to pay someone higher in the social strata rent as punishment. And the company you're paying rent to will probably get bailouts and tax cuts in the next financial disaster while you won't.
Less stuff will be made and what is made will be lower quality.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No I meant more along the lines of what needs to be done to completely dismantle the bullshit system that has grown into this unmitigated nightmare scenario.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Violence probably. People are too stupid and apathetic to vote for their interests, and the government is controlled by corporate lobbyists anyway.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That was my conclusion as well.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh. Man, I don't know. DON'T vote Republican, whatever you do, but also most Democrats are neoliberal fucks so they'll promise to help and only sell you down the river anyway.
Sometimes the establishments almost learns something from the Trump era but then they talk themselves into trusting corporate America to hold the steering wheel again, as though these past decades have been a fluke.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>democrat >neoliberal (aka wants to privatize everything under the sun)
what the fuck am I reading
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Do not trust their words. Any socialism they spout is specifically to line their own pockets.
In fact, just assume all politicians are blinded by money. I dunno why people want millions on top of their millions, but such is life.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The Democrats have been a largely neoliberal party since the 70's, when they started stabbing al, the unions jn the back. Some of the most potent pro-corporate initiatives were led by Democratic presidents and congresses. They couldn't have so completely unfastened the New Deal if the Democrats hadn't wanted that.
That's why the party can't seem to win elections in spite of Republicans pretty much wearing fascism on their sleeves. They've spent years supporting corporate agendas so they could get funding and votes from the right, but now they don't know what they stand for and some of them probably still don't know why Hillary was unpopular.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
"Not real socialism"
^that's what they're saying
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't know how to explain that repealing Glass-Steagal to help the banks gamble with your savings money wasn't very socialist, but if you look at the voting habits the Dems are really not a socialist party. They're not even left-leaning, except on social issues.
>The engine is used in games including Pokémon Go, Monument Valley, Call of Duty: Mobile, Beat Saber and Cuphead according to the Financial Times
Can Ganker beat COD and Pokemon with reinstalls?
>charging per install >not charging per launch >not charging an hourly run rate >no "new game" fee >no uninstall fee
Come on, if you're gonna be evil, be EVIL
They have to work up to it. Look at the reaction this is having. Give it some more time for this to become common place and there end up being more fees for end users like needing a premium plan to download free games and more installation limiting DRM, and then we can move onto those other things.
you know what
unity devs are going to intentionally inflate their filesizes and slow the installation times to try to combat people repeatedly installing the game
so expect to see every unity game being 500gb at least
I used to add firewall rules to block pirated vidya from talking to the internet but now that it's gonna lose goyslop companies money I'm considering changing the habit
Imagine if everyone on game pass downloaded this game at once and MS got hit with a 6.2 million dollar bill out of nowhere. Unity would be gone within a month
>mfw I can script a way to kick whiny indie devs and Unity at the same time >mfw I can simply dedicate a crappy old laptop to it
Even in these terrible times, at least I can be amused.
>The main reason I've been paying $400 a year for "PLUS" was simply to remove the Unity Splash Screen and replace it with my company logo. Now you're saying I have to pay $2,040 per year in order to keep that "feature", and on top of that you plan on charging me ~20 cents per install (for my games that sell for $1-$3). I don't care about or plan to use any of the new features your PRO brings to the table. I will probably take advantage of the 1-year "PLUS price" upgrade to PRO, but I'm afraid these new changes definitely have me looking at your competitors for my future engine needs. 🙁
devs have to learn how to code again rather than relying on third party asset flips
Wishful thinking. Everyone knows this will only accelerate the push for ~~*TPM*~~ adoption.
The majority will likely be switching to Godot because its FOSS nature avoids this situation from happening again and its big 4.0 update released earlier this year
>Tourist brains are so crippled by porn addiction and political gossip that they can't comprehend the most obvious sarcasm
Don't worry, I'll make sure to put a /s at the end next time to accomodate you, just like your reddit xisters do.
>Just because I have allowed ships to pass along my riverfront property for years without charge, they say I cannot now draw a chain across the river and extract rent? I own the land, it is MY river property after all!
The tech sector is mainly just reinventing things that were illegal for a reason. It's reasonable to ask a fee up front, but frankly unconscionable to let companies fully develop their products with your engine for free so that you could unilaterally alter the contract and rape them. Especially if this can be done by every other software jn the process.
>What makes people think that they're entitled to use someone else's game engine for free?
The fact that they already pay $185 per developer a month to use the fucking engine?
Sad that Unity’s retardedation is hurting them.
UNITY DEVS ARE NOT REAL DEVS
CRY
wait what the fuck how would unity know if the game is installed?
unity games don't actually need "installers" you can get the files and just drag the game files to a folder and play.
so this must mean that Unity is infecting every game build with DRM?
Yeah, they've become DRM: destroyer of pcs but in reality it would just affect Steam who would be forced to make Unity's homework in telling which user did what.
>so this must mean that Unity is infecting every game build with DRM?
Are you all seriously unaware that every Unity game has shipped with telemetry for years? It's a default option that devs can't even turn off. They've clearly just stuck some extra shit in there to phone home and give them a hwid or something which they will compare to their existing database and bam, if you're a new user the dev gets hit with another 20c charge on their account.
there's telemetry but it was never built with this business model in mind. it's going to be a shitshow regardless. i expect most big companies are going to drag this shit into court and try to exhaust unity into giving up, because this shit is extremely shady. i doubt we'll even get that far
Most big companies will likely settle this privately.
Do you honestly think Unity will dare to mess with Mickey Mouse?
yeah it's possible they will, but they will likely first drag them into a legal battle because it puts pressure on unity and they know they have the advantage. all they need to do is stall for time since they know unity will eventually budge for a pittance. i don't think we will even get that far because someone at unity will inevitably do the math and realize they will lose more money than they will gain from all these attempted shakedowns.
no they won't because there is no legal argument against what they are doing. gays being assmad on x is not a legal argument
legal arguments are more or less meaningless as long as they are not comically retarded. unity's argument is just barely solid enough to drag this shit into court but not much beyond that. their plan is to threaten legal action and hope for the best. but for whatever reason they are doing the equivalent of patent trolling with like 10 of the biggest game companies in the world
i still think the "CEO's retirement plan + incompetent nepo baby business grads" theory makes the most sense
I'd imagine conjuring up a new bullshit fee that wasn't part of the original license wouldn't survive in court. At best Unity can tell you to not use their engine anymore, just like if you quit your subscription.
original license is one thing but that doesn't cover games yet to be released
unity has had built in telemetry for a long time now its very easy for a program to ping back at home base everytime you play it, its extremely simple technology
there's no DRM notice on the store page of any unity games. that should really be addressed.
telemetry isn't DRM, it doesn't prevent you from using the software, it just tells unity that you did.
Also, pretty much every game made in the last 10 years or so, unity or not, phones home.
If you want to take an extremely literal and pedantic approach you could say telemetry is a form of DRM depending on your definition of "rights" and "management" but yeah that would be kind of missing the point.
First time you install a unity game it generates a key that is send to the unity servers.
>First time
No, it's EVERY time. They do not record user data, only that the game is installed. They measure every single install. This is direct from Unity's FAQ.
They've updated the terms.
>Unity "regrouped" and now says ONLY the initial installation of a game triggers a fee
>Demos mostly won't trigger fees
>Devs not on the hook for Game Pass
I dont understand why they are going about this in such a roundabout way? do they want a cut of the profits? just charge a percentage per sale like steam/epic does. Why track this weird metric of 'installs'? do they not want to be paid if someone doesnt play a game?
>do they want a cut of the profits? just charge a percentage per sale like steam/epic does. Why track this weird metric of 'installs'?
because this way they can just make up an amount, and tell you to fuck off if you ask how their telemetry supposedly works
telling customers to 'fuck off' seem moronic when they arent even the biggest player in the industry
They can't actually track any of that shit, their telemetry plan is still a total "dude trust me bro" black box.
They're basically demanding they get to make up a number every month that each dev has to pay them, and they don't tell you how they arrived at that number.
They already admitted they can't track end user information, so they have absolutely no clue what's a reinstall and what's a normal install.
Some glorious gay with a botnet can still put a dev into bankruptcy with download fees.
>"Wow, they listened to us!"
>"Good guy Unity only putting the dildo 11" up our ass instead of 12"
It's pathetic that this will likely satisfy people. The plan all along. Announce something diabolically evil then dial it back slightly when people get outraged, and you get what you actually wanted all along while people think they "won" against the evil corporation.
Literally nobody is saying this. Even on a corpo dicksucking site like Twitter, Unity is still getting blasted in every orifice like they're the town bike at a fertility festival.
This will have long-term effects because people can move to Godot and other FOSS in order to avoid any future licensing incidents with Unity.
They are fucked because no one will want use his shit
You would be surprised how many modern programs have telemetry, virtually everything phones home unless you setup your firewall to explicitly block everything by default.
Unity merged with an Israeli malware company like last year anon, of course they wanted to put malware in the engine
Official statement is that Unity is just going to guess how many installs you've had, and you better respect the fact they aren't going to disclose their calculations.
>Here's the invoice for ten million dollars, no you may not see the line items.
>Yes Mrs. Judge Judy our proprietary tracking software is totally accurate and no you may not see how it works
It also applies to any kind of streaming . Including in-browser content or stream play like Stadia or Xbox game pass. Literally every time you open an browser game in private mode /counts as download
malware
They were already retarded by using unity in the first place
Unity is a shit engine.
Them shooting themselves in the foot is a good thing.
who
>pirate game
>install it.
>uninstall it.
>installt it again
>do it numerous times
Nothing personality devs
You can even write a script that does it for you.
WHAT DOES THE REDDIT FROG HAVE TO DO WITH THAT?
WHAT DOES THE REDDIT FROG HAVE TO DO WITH THAT?
WHAT DOES THE REDDIT FROG HAVE TO DO WITH THAT?
WHAT DOES THE REDDIT FROG HAVE TO DO WITH THAT?
Everything.
>What does the Reddit frog mean to you?
>Saladin: Nothing……….Everything
Apuu!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
this is the real-world example of
>pirate game 1,000 times
>devs lose $60,000
I can't imagine that'll hold up in court
Yeah, if I were them, I'd be making statements to my lawyer and not twitter.
where in the constitution does it give you the right to use unity engine?
It's right there anon. Paragraph 6 on page 42.
>Which is really something we'd rather not do.
And how is that my problem?
time to learn C++
wasn't he the dev that decided to ban all the "alt-right" players from his game and turned an heterosexual character into his self insert homosexual player ?
ban from what? the only game they made is single player
nta but no idea waiting if someone else replies with more info
yes, same gay that was gleeing at others not being happy with his bullshit
I hate these millenial devs
they're all massive crybaby gays
>I hate these millenial devs
>they're all massive crybaby gays
And you can tell from their writing. It's always so verbose and they try so hard to be relatable and le heckin quirky
You retards think this shit is funny. What's not funny is developers putting a hard limit on installs and downloads. That would KILL the industry with the same bullshit Disney tried doing with DVDs that would brick themselves.
>That would KILL the industry
No. That would kill all the Unity games, which are 99% garbage asset flips. Unity developers can go fuck themselves.
This has been tried in the past a couple times in fact. An old PC game Return to Zork only allowed you to install it one time and bricked its own installer afterwards. Couple other examples exist. Needless to say, they weren't popular and didn't catch on.
>An old PC game Return to Zork only allowed you to install it one time and bricked its own installer afterwards
BTW this was from Activision
How do they track installs? Is there a software which keeps track of it? And where do they charge the money from?
They say they have a super secret internal way that they refuse to tell anybody about and that it can discount fraudulent installs and everything.
In other words they're just guessing .
I dumped 400 euros on Nike Goddess of Victory.
What the fuck is going to happen to that game?
This is literally the
>install game x1 million times
>publisher bankrupt
meme. Now, before this dies, which shitty publisher has a game made in Unity?
hoyoverse, sublevel zero, Newblood
oh yea and those ori forest dudes
Hearthstones made in Unity. Sink Bobbys yacht.
>angry female character in important position
500x reinstall
>a loudmouth black character
2000x reinstall for each
>nonwhite protagonist
5000x reinstall
>interracial relationship
10000x reinstall
>overtly homosexual character
10000x reinstall
>uglified female character
25000x reinstall
>trans character
50000x reinstall
>game developers make a public statement supporting any of the above
50000x reinstall
>in-game graphics downgraded compared to advertised graphics
50000x reinstall
this is how i will vote with my wallet in Unity videogames
i can automate this procedure into costing developers thousands of dollars a day easily
don't want to go broke devs? watch yourselves
people on the other side will do the same thing. all devs will go broke, woke or not.
I kneel
How the fuck does this site work
I wouldn't know.
Reminder that pic related was responsible for that dialogue, and for that game specifically was director, producer AND writer. She's a fucking gift to video games and that useless hack Druckerman got rid of her.
I membah.
She worked on Forspoken too, as such I'm forced to doubt she actually wrote dialogue for Legacy of Kain and instead the studio simply used her for female writer goodboy points.
>She worked on Forspoken too
she's listed as "story concept"
she didnt write the dialogue for it
at the time of Legacy of Kain nobody would have gave two shits if the writer was a woman, on the contrary, it would have probably been a minus.
>cue pol furiously typing about how they always thought it was shit
Would you Ganker?
i'd want to be a close friend and business partner with her, yes. you'd have to be a moron to not study under her
Her version of Uncharted 4 was far better too. Too bad Cuckmann ruined it.
Amy has always been the GOAT. I wish I could bankroll a game for her to write without the retarded higherups she keeps getting stuck with.
I would take it with a grain of salt, because while it's definitely good at gauging whether something is "highbrow" or "lowbrow," it isn't perfect. I took a short paragraph I wrote from an ERP and got ~120 IQ. When I added the phrase "poop butt" to the end, I got an extra 10 points.
I just tested it with excerpts from Thomas Paine's "Common Sense". Some are estimated as genius, some are well below average.
Fuck off, chud. Most studios are reliant on Unity which means they will pass the costs down to consumers. Indie developers will add microtransactions among other features or give up on their dreams. We will miss out on tons of great indie games because of human greed and be stuck with shitty AAA games which promote everything you listed
this won't happen. you're an alarmist buffoon.
what's stopping it from happening?
The fact that the only thing that could possibly cover the Unity tax is charging money per install and nobody would ever pay money per install.
Or just raise the price of the games as a whole to offset the losses?
Expand your brain.
That's not gonna do it because the amount of installs is functionally infinite. Even without doing
people still will uninstall and reinstall games all the time as a normal part of owning a game. So the Unity tax can grow without limit but the dev profits can't.
they're not gonna out-microtransaction mass installs and you know that
>pass the costs down to consumers.
Not my problem lefty retard.
This is what piracy is for
I can cost a dev $8 just doing casual rerolls on lunch with my single phone, while talking with my coworkers, and I have no experience with botting or automating.
A sufficiently motivated autist, or, heaven forbid, multiple coordinated autists, could easily ruin an indie and definitely put a dent even in the larger companies that will be able to afford the price per install cut of the higher package.
There is 0 chance this change goes live and Unity survives to tell the tale. The risk is too massive.
Well cause of you I'll keep running the script permanently
Relax, bro. The point of that post is to highlight how absurd the situation is and why it will never be allowed to happen that way.
but games are free, they can't pass the cost down to consumers
>free game
>pass the cost
This will happen short term. We'll all be better off longterm as devs adjust, unity dies, and godot and other foss engines get tons of support from people who don't want to see this kind of shit happen again.
good
You know what? Maybe these changes aren't that bad.
I... honestly fucking doubt that's how the whole install thing'll go. It'll more likely be installing it on a new system, or something like that.
You dont have to question how it works, they have a FAQ on how it works. And it works exactly like that.
But their FAQ does acknowledge that malicious installs like this can happen.
That’s actually how it works.
It’s 0.2$ every time there is an install. If someone installs it and then reinstalls it, it’s 0.4$
You’re gonna need to reinstall your games a lot more than that, though of course it’ll be automated.
500 installs will only cost the company 100$. If you want to actually put a dent in their company, you need to install games in the millions.
500 a day. one autist. 178,000 a year. 35,600 a year. Youre right, thats not a ton of money. but thats one autist. get a second computer? get 3 friends?
A group of ten computers sink more than a quarter million dollars. An indie studio is fucking gone. Even on a reasonable scale, you can destroy any small company. Even bigger studios will start caring if a bunch of bad actors get pissed. 50 angry Russian bots could drain a millions a year. im glad, unity fucking sucks and i want to see it sink. this is crazy to think everyone wont jump ship.
You wouldn't even need that. Just run a packet sniffer during install, capture it, and then send it to the unity server hundreds of times a second.
That's assuming this isn't just a screen for unity to make up whatever numbers they want.
You've sold me on the idea.
>punish everyone except the ones that actually cause the issue
brilliant
Devs in AA and AAA are paid salaries, they dont get equity. All indie has to do is to drop chud pandering and it's going to do fine. It targets exactly the people responsible.
>the intent was to punish Unity
>and not take the new opportunity to punish devs for including faggy sjw bullshit
retard
what a time to be alive
They'll probably just restrict your license if they decide you're trying to be malicious
why would they do that when it just means more money for them
Good job deboonking a meme joke post captain obvious incel leftoid
This is why the world is so faggy nowadays, because instead of trying to educate people you find undesirable you just want to alienate them all. You might be able to remove trannies from the limelight but if you really think you can somehow erase blacks and women from media you're as mentally ill as the trannies. You catch more flies with honey you know.
>because instead of trying to educate people you find undesirable
are you retarded?
we've had many decades of games with all white casts and no chud/homosexuality, and we will secure a future for many more to come.
>instead of trying to educate people
lol
lmao even
Stupid fucking frogposter about to nuke his HDD to own the libs can't wait to see it happen
you make it sound like hdds are expensive or something
a 2tb m2 ssd is 100 bux and you can write at least 20 000 000gb on it before it stops working
lets say your game is 20gb, that's 1 000 000 times
Now this is based. Maybe Unityfags were playing 4d chess from the beginning
>10/10 post that becomes a 100/10 post when you realize the OP isn't even remotely exaggerating or joking
truly a once-in-a-decade post.
LMAO that libtards are seething at this funny and silly post. These gays need to actually touch grass and laugh at themselves every once in awhile
I just came in my panties.
>No LGBTQ++ pride flag in the game
500x reinstalls (it only costs 5 mins of work and a couple of megabytes to be an ally)
>Not having a marginalized person in the main cast
1000x reinstalls (be more sensitive)
>Any kind of phobia implied in game
10000x reinstalls (dont be a bully)
>Having oversexualized women
5000x reinstalls for every woman (be more respectful)
>Glorifying toxic masculinity
10000x reinstalls (the future is fem, sweety)
>Having a cis white male protagonist
500000x reinstalls(check your privilege boy and sit your ass down)
>Only featuring hetero relationships
100000x reinstalls(get on with the times gramps)
We can also play this game, lil fella, and remember that we are more autistic and more capable than you hitler loving retards are in terms of computer science.
Every chud that makes a chud game will be obliterated to hell. Be nice. You have been warned.
0 chuds use unity
>What is Valheim
>What is Rust
>What is unity of command
There are lots of chud games to be found in unity if you bother to use the google search engine to see for yourself. I will admit though that you are true to some extent. Chuds are incapable of using a computer properly because they lack the brain capacity.
Therefore, there are not many chud games to be found in unity, and consequently, no chud is gonna to abuse Unity's new shit system.
However, we with the knowledge, not only we can scare the chuds away from making videogames, but we can also push the devs that are trying to be inclusive with their games to be even more inclusive and even more progressive. Unity's latest misstep and a frog's shitpost can finally be the way for the LGBTQ community to have total control over the indie industry and use it more actively to stop the bigotry and spread the message of love and acceptance.
>bait that good
>no (you)s
You deserved it anon
(You) call it a bait, I call it a call to arms. Me and my discord friends here are already preparing our python scripts for intial testing while making a list with chud unity games that need correction. See ya in the warzone, boss!
I've shat on this engine for at least half a decade just because it should've always been a mobileshit thing instead of essentially replacing flash games on PC, people can trash the alternatives all they want but at least they have real computers as the target platform.
7/10, needs more falseflag include some trans kids references on it
Name 3 Chud unity games
>We can also play this game, lil fella, and remember that we are more autistic and more capable than you hitler loving retards are in terms of computer science.
>Every chud that makes a chud game will be obliterated to hell. Be nice. You have been warned.
I recognize that street. That's San Francisco
The van literally says .co.uk on it tho
Appropriate and kind
>Steals and corrupts idea to make it about them instead of coming up with their own thing
Yup it's a leftist post alright
Lefties can't meme for some reason.
>We can also play this game, lil fella, and remember that we are more autistic and more capable than you hitler loving retards are in terms of computer science.
lmfao what a gay
advanced bait, the fact that this got so many sneeding replies is making me mad
When does it start?
Somebody has a working script yet?
I kneel, King
never underestimate weaponized autism
The smartest frog poster just posted.
You can already see
they are already afraid!!!!!! (6/10 bait, got me to reply)
>vote with your wallet thing starts actually working
King
you leveled up bro
Has unity released any expected numbers yet? Could one guy in some basement actually make a dent in anybody’s bottom line?
this isn't one guy in his basement. if this works it will be used by more powerful bad actors and cyber criminal gangs
King
I FUCKING KNEEL.
Doesn't this post violate US law?
Conspiring to bankrupt a company through coordinated abuse of intercompany policies is against US law and punishable as a felony with several years and thousands of dollars in fine.
sir please, do not redeem.
sirs... please listen to law sirs please sirs sirs!!! DO NOT REDEEM SIRS
source on this law?
https://www.fletc.gov/audio/federal-conspiracy-law-mp3
that's not a law, that's a podcast
Bootlicking snitch
>corporations LE bad
>EXCEPT for all of the time because they use gay flags and make chuds mad because that’s based
>if x, then y
have you considered that most of the corporations bad people just find the pride month garbage patronizing?
You guys say that but your action contradict your words. You all boot lick and defend corporations 24/7 online FOR FREE, the second chuds point and laugh at them
>
Dev here.
If I catch anyone doing this (we have tools that let us see who's doing multiple installs), we are banning you from our games.
>we have tools that let us see who's doing multiple installs
lol, no
>we have tools that let us see who's doing multiple installs
but why though???
he can use a different computer and different ip and you'll never be able to ban his main account tho
IYADA NO DON'T BAN ME FROM THE GAME DEV-SAMAAAAA
LET ME BACK IN
LET ME IN!!!!!!!!!!!
>If I catch anyone doing this we are banning you from our games
Holy shit, that opens up a new trolling tactic
>install malware on fucko's PC
>reinstall his steam games over and over
>retard gets banned from all his games for "abuse"
>????
>PROFIT!
Thanks poojetdevs
B A S E D
Mad man
for once, a frogposter is not a gay
With death, comes destruction.
Vidya dies today, and we get to partake in its burial.
if you wrote a good script and had good software to block detection this would unironically work
I kneel
>i can automate this procedure into costing developers thousands of dollars a day easily
Haha, as if they'd be stupid enough to let you reinstall a game more than 3 times a month.
>wait what the fuck how would unity know if the game is installed?
They'll probably leverage something like ~~*TPMs*~~ to create unique IDs. Alternatively, user accounts.
The funny thing is that even if they change it to initial install only, you can still find ways to do this lmfao
protagonist
>5000x reinstall
relationship
reinstall
black Dev bros.... it's over...
The absolute madman
That guy probably created more anti-Semites than garden gnomes that died in WW2.
whoa, 300k it's a big number
>ugly female character more egregious than blacks
honestly kinda based
The post that saved vidya
HOLY BASERINO
Why do people hate free speech so much?
Nobody likes free speech now
you get em, tiger
tumblrsisters... our response? it's... it's not looking good...
and they called me crazy for wanting to build my own engine from scratch to avoid this exact bullshit and whatever other fine print on the devil's contract
>and they called me crazy for wanting to build my own engine from scratch to avoid this exact bullshit and whatever other fine print on the devil's contract
Nah man, they called you crazy for not just forking one of the open source engines.
How's it run?
the trigonometry needed to get 3d graphics to run made my brain implode, but after some time of just grinding it away and a few youtube videos later, i'm starting to render the blender cube with no issues
It's okay anon, we can't all be John Carmack.
I'll look forward to your demo in ten years time once the game part of your game engine exists.
y-you too
based, having your own engine from scratch is much better for performance, even if you use java and are a shitty programmer
I respect your power
do NOTput me in the screencap
Brilliant.
meanwhile, they will look at the download metrics and go "WOW! people really want to play our game! look at all these downloads!" and they will keep making them. your own strategy is a monkey's paw.
i don't think they'll be making games when they're hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt
Won't they get funded by ESG to cover their losses?
Of course they will be. But also go woke go broke. But also endless ESG money. But also Unity installs will now lose them endless money. But also Blackrock will print them endless money. But also
I would 100000x reinstall for obvious self insert cali characters
Godotchads, we won.
but if they switch to godot, they won't be able to outsource to pajeets and pakis
Id rather use fucking XNA
No you wouldn't.
hell yeah
Someone needs to make a list of gigawoke games made in unity. Now we have an actual chance to fight back.
>gigawoke games made in unity
ALL OF THEM ANON unironically all of the games made with unity are woke shit
Fuck you, My Summer Car doesn't have a single byte of woke in it
Uhhhhh no.
>t. wannabe dev
>hey, someone pirated your game fuckhead. better cough up the toll you fucking sperg.
Its finally happening
>No longer will talentless shit peddlers inundate the industry
Finally the age of indistinguishable unity tech demo 568432 with low poly 3d has come to a close.
And the age of shittily optimized Unreal Fortnite lighting has begun!!
This
People think that low talent indies will go away when Unreal is the more no-code friendly engine.
Whats going to happen is that unity indie devs just bump up the price of their games, other devs see this and follow suit even if they don't use Unity.
5$ game is now 15$
10$ game is now 20$
20$ game is now a 30$
and AAA devs will see how the price floor has risen and take this excuse to jump from 70$'s to 80$/90$
Raising the price of games won't solve anything with how retarded this policy is. Under the structure as described and re-clarified one disgruntled retard uninstalling and reinstalling a pirated copy of the game over and over again could fold any company with a Unity game.
Thanks to Blueprints, UE5 is far more noob friendly than Unity.
All the shitty developers will gravitate to UE5
who could have thought?
No anon
You can't blame all garden gnomes
please remove your gnomish brain parasite at your earliest convenience
>Now now, you can't keep noticing all these coincidences!
um. thats a coincidence sweetie
like clockwork
every single fucking time
>money is the root of all evil
seems more like it's just garden gnomes to me
More like evil is the root of all money. More people need to start asking where money comes from.
stop noticing
> Unity bought a gnomish malware company
You can't make this shit up.
EVERY FUCKING TIME
>if a player deletes a game and re-installs that's 2 installs 2 charges
Ah it's the Lucky Larry gambit
EVERY time
on this day, we are all anti-semites!
Aren't we always?
>game devs are going to have to LEARN TO DEVELOP GAMES
lmao
its literally anudda shoa!!
>I can bankrupt a shifty indie dev by running a download script and a Virtual Machine
?si=zl0keMiZ0KbQx1eT
>Devs nerf my build
>Threaten devs with x10000 installs if they don't revert changes
>wahhh I can't make free money off my streamerslop assetflip
pay up bitch
>dev pissed off that it is they who have to buy the MTX, not the customers they prey upon
and they made fun of me for writing my own engine
>for writing my own engine
you are super based, dont listen to what the hacks say as you are more skilled
>Less unity slop
This is a good thing yeah?
Haha as a fullstack dev who hates gamedev morons ima cost amogus a good million this year off my extra computers.
Praydog mod plus a mass migration to unreal means vr is about to explode
>pay modders
they do it for free
why even pay them?
I don't care about this. The best indie games are not built off of Unity, sad for "AggroCrabGames" maybe, but I struggle to find something I'd be missing out on. Anyway this decision is suicidal for Unity, the entire concept is so braindead it hurts
game will charge you money every time you launch it
>using proprietary software
no one to blame but themselves
>Corporate parasites can change their ToS to whatever absurd bullshit they want at any point to pull the rug from under you, because you'll either have to obey the new rules regardless of previously established agreements or abandon your investment
Heh. Private property, chuddie, shouldn't have agreed to the ToS if you didn't like it.
kek reply every devs tweet with this
being a corporate boot licking queer
>relying on third parties
First mistake
>free engine retards getting mad over not being able to use those shitty engines
bro there are literally better game engines like source engine, etc. that you can simply use for a better engine...
>better game engines like source engine
unity is not a free engine and never has been.
there is a very scammy and malicious pay structure in place just to remove the logo.
they will offer you a "months subscription" but the fine print says it's actually a 1 month payment portion of a years subscription and they will have their lawyers on you, asking for the rest of the years subscription payment.
I don't even know how they legally get away with half the shit they do.
>I don't even know how they legally get away with half the shit they do.
rich garden gnomes are allowed to do whatever they want
>better game engines like source engine
RIP Tarkovbros
>!!!
stopped reading there
I see this as win win
shitty devs will lose money
I will stop seeing every fucking game made in unity.
Fucking good
Gaming should crash again.
it's actually one of the dumbest most scummy business practices i've seen in a while lol
Now I get the "install, uninstall, go bankrupt" meme. Why do you want to kill the indie devs, though?
Welp, Unity went out back and shot itself.
Every game in the future will be Unreal.
HECK YEAH! NOW ALL GAMES WILL LOOK SUPER WASHED OUT AND HAVE THE CLUNCKY MOVEMENT OF MY HECKIN' FAVORITE ENGINE!
>implying Nintendo won't just sue them into oblivion and then immediately pay billions to trans the children of the higher ups as a message
I'm so glad I chose to learn Godot over Unity simply because of a FOSS spirit.
That guy is just overreacting for attention on sm
>pirate game
>literally drain money out of the publisher's bank account
what a time to be alive
>you can destroy a company by simply downloading their game
can't wait to join the raid groups
>Devs and their ass kissing fans are confused because they don't know to either download the game or not to spite the haters
Hopefully this kills shitty mobile gachas that rely on account retools to claim that there were 6,000,000 downloads in one week
*rerolls
Seems like a legal grey area.
Still better than UE5.
That's actually a very smart plan to instantly kill their game engine.
>don't use Godot, Unity is free!
lmao, never trust proprietary cucks
Unity is and always will be a retard honeypot. The industry will be a better one once every single dev using unity is bankrupt.
what game?
>everyone hating on based Aggro Crab devs
Nah fuck right off, these guys are legit
Going Under and Another Crab's Treasure
>charging for pirated copies
Are you kidding me
650587409
it took you 140 post to formulate that? lol
>Chud can't even quote posts
Lmao and they think they'll be tech savvy enough to run game downloader botnets
https://twitter.com/stephentotilo/status/1701767079697740115
Fun is over, anons. Unity caved in to the backlash.
>only the initial installation
What's the point? Might as well just introduce a per purchase fee. That might get them more money considering the state of most steam libraries.
notice it doesn't say free games get exempted, just demos
You ALSO have to make 200K revenue for it to kick in, so it only affects F2P shit and not true free releases.
At that point it's "Suffering from success"
As usual Ganker is blowing things they barely understand out of proportion, le sigh.
>Unity "regrouped" and now says ONLY the initial installation of a game triggers a fee
doesn't fix anything
>Devs not on the hook for Game Pass
lol xGODS win again, shitty prize though
Well then that means they legal team realize it would have been suicide fighting against to many big corporations
>Announce retarded change
>Walk it back very slightly for good PR
I'm onto your shill ways
This, anybody who expected this to actually go through as originally written is retarded.
Doesn't solve the problem. I am pretty sure any dude is gonna install a game, uninstall, change IP/location/ID/whatever and do it all over again,
this. people will always find a way to throw a wrench in the works
lol
So they can boil the pot slower
>only on the first install
this means unacceptable invasive DRM and data tracking for sure.
>announce hilariously evil intentions
>walk them back into being slightly evil
>people sigh in relief because it could've been worse
>you knew this would happen and the slightly evil scenario was always your plan
classic
Even if they backpedalled completely it's over, ever touching "installs" in the first place you already made it clear your company is pure cancer, notice how they didn't say a thing about browser games either
>- Demos mostly won't trigger fees
So... they were actually thinking at some point of including demos installs? Hilarious.
Keyword: mostly
>- Demos *MOSTLY* won't trigger fees
what is their damage
>fee falls on suscription providers
Why do I have the feeling they didn't consult with garden gnomesoft before reaching this decision?
>caved in
>still keeping the tea tax anyways
If they were just going to charge for an initial installation, charging the same fee for each individual purchase would essentially be the same thing. Seems more like to me they just said some legalese mumbojumbo to make it sound better on paper, while still being able to go through with the initial plan eventually down the line. Otherwise there's no real point in basing it off of installs, unless they somehow plan on getting money for every pirated copy, which I don't see how that's possible as generally cracked .exes remove telemetry data. Or even how it's legal, considering there was no authorized sale to be "taxed."
There's no amount of backtracking will save them from this major fuck up in the long run. Every dev lost their trust in Unity as a company. They basically said
>we will charge you for nothing if we want to and you will pay us
Can they retroactively apply the new policy to games already released using unity engine? If so that seems kinda shitty.
>installed
>not sold
so some autist could theoretically drive a company out of business by installing a game millions of times?
I'm genuinely starting to think a way to hire some third worlders that don't have to deal with data cap at all to run a script to install and uninstall indiegays gamer over and over again when this get implemented.
I bet they would totally do it if I pay them $20 per week to leave their computer to run the script for the whole week without any rest.
This just sound so fucking exploitable and easy to do without having to be genuinely involved
>Shit ass "journalist" jumps to the conclusion that people will abuse the new system to make devs they don't like pay more by uninstalling and reinstalling
I guarantee you nobody was thinking of that before she said something
wrong
that's right anon
all the anons here that instantly thought about abusable loopholes are journo falseflaggers, because only journos have brains and cocks large enough to think of that
unironically though, why dont they just not pay?
while the class action lawsuit is filed by a whole bunch of butthurt developers at once just refuse to pay in the meantime
Serves them right for using that piece of shit engine
>loves flat globohomo corpo art
>gender bullshit
>soijak meme pose
Fucking cancer.
Fully intended.
>all those 100+ million downloads in the playstore
Genshin devs in turmoil right now
Such a relatable phrase
Shit move by Unity but it's fun to watch indie dev gays seethe
Kind of funny that Unity is doing essentially what D&D did earlier this year by changing OGL and all the backlash they got over it. You would think they'd learn from that but I guess big companies are just really oblivious to what other companies are doing or there greed is so bad they can't see how bad an idea they are proposing really is.
>free to install
you still pay for gamepass you dumb indieclowns
just..... JUST TAKE OUR WORD FOR IT OK??? DO NOT REDEEM ANOTHER PLATFORM SIR
>Oh you don't want us to count pirated copies? Just install ads into your game! Guarantees you'll never hit that install threshold either way.
this whole thing just reminds me of the ONE D&D shitshow from earlier this year
>pirate unity shit
>can now directly harm the developer
based
Digital distribution was a mistake in from its earliest form. You are literally paying full price to rent shit and get caught in the middle of corporate wars
Why do the devs not simply charge the endusers $0.20 to run their installer and shift the cost to the peasants?
1. Literally who the fuck would agree to pay that and
2. it counts pirated copy installs too because Unity can't track which copies are legit.
Just band together and not pay it, what are they going to do, sue everyone? Thats going to take longer than any of the devs will live
they just have to name everyone who refuses to pay in 1 lawsuit
Honestly, the best way to throw this shit in the trash can is for some dev to rack up a billion dollars in download fees and take it to court, showcasing how ridiculous the policy is
Worse case scenario is some indie bitch boy takes a 500 dollar fee to court and the know-nothing judge sides with Unity because "$500 dollars isn't that much
wouldn't prove anything but all these devs are retards for entering into such a stupid contract
How much pressure can goytards take before they decide to finally fucking wake up?
Can they just be indefinitely abused without ever trying to retaliate?
Yes, just look at “”””””inflation””””””” lately
>just stop buying iphones and avocados
if this actually goes through, could you just start selling encrypted game files and have a tool for the end-user to conveniently compile the game himself?
selling circumvention tools is illegal. you don't want to end up like gary bowser
There is nothing illegal about selling archives that coincidentally decompress into functional games you retard.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201
i have a hard time reading these things but would this actually do anything if (You) as the developer of the game owned all the rights to the game itself? i feel like unity's charges would only apply if you went through the regular motions of compiling and distributing your game... or are the owners of the engine considered to have partial ownership of copyright in any case?
if "the game" includes software and code owned by unity then no. going through alternative motions is just circumvention designed to defraud unity. you won't just get sued, you will go to prison
It's the runtime. If you ship their runtime (which you need if you want Unity games to work), you owe them money. It's that simple.
This is basic shit even gamedevlets know.
That would require actual programming knowledge, something current vidya devs lack. If you can't do it by connecting dots on a blueprint pannel - it is impossible for them
um im in a team developing with unity......
name of game?
Sorry sweetie, it's over.
Sorry, anon.
Time to look for a new job frendo
Stay strong anon.
It is unreal that Unity is even allowed to do this, I hope they get the shit sued out of them
>JUDGE, JUDGE, they're making me pay to use the game engine they developed. i'm LITERALLY being genocided
Trying to enforce a retroactive contract on products that were already released before these terms existed, and the CEO dumping all his stock immediately before the announcement because he knew the value would tank, are definitely going to see court hearings
Can't wait. Especially since Pokémon go uses it.
idk what the unity license says but generally rights to use a saas are not perpetual. unity can change their monetization for the same reason youtube can ban users when they change their tos
>I fucking hate it here
Nobody asked gay.
>mfw /agdg/ is having a meltdown
Any good screen caps?
>bundle your game with a program that blocks the telemetry shit
>no installs detected
problem?
prison is the problem
Cell is just a room like any other
Couldn't possibly be illegal. The end user has no licensing agreement with Unity and doesn't have to allow unwanted traffic on their PC.
Someone has to distribute games with unity telemetry off and that would be illegal, so no software distribution service like steam, epic or ms store, as well as no store that sells physical copies of games will do it. It is pretty much "upload it straight to torrents" route, but that doesn't pay
>The end user has no licensing agreement with Unity and doesn't have to allow unwanted traffic on their PC.
They already have been, for years.
Congratulations, if you've run a Unity game in the past decade you've had their telemetry run too - because it is a nonoptional component of any Unity exe.
Yes, even for that shitty WEG that really should have been a renpy game. They all have it, whether the dev wants or even knows its there.
You can literally block that shit in your firewall though and they have no standing to stop you from closing ports on your own machine.
You absolutely can, but that doesn't fucking matter at all for 2 reasons.
1) 99.9% of end users won't, because they don't know or care about this, and likely have no idea what engine a game runs on.
2) Unity is not, will not, and does not have to disclose how they're getting their numbers and will charge whatever they think they can get away with. They likely have some bullshit extrapolation that takes into account 'power users' and people with shite internet.
>Unity is not, will not, and does not have to disclose how they're getting their numbers
Well then they're inviting lawsuits because you can't just charge people an amount that is supposedly based on a hard metric, but then refuse to provide verifiable data showing that your charges are accurate.
Evidently they believe they can get away with it, because that's what their doing.
They've said their method is 'proprietary' and cannot be disclosed.
I hope they get sued into bankruptcy, but they won't.
Fuck me, that's what they're* doing
So mad I can't even type right.
i can't wait for the first person to spoof the telemetry to fake thousands of "installs" per second
Streaming Unity Games counts as installations so both Twitch and YouTube streamers are affected by this.
>Install definition
>The installation and initialization of a game or app on an end user’s device as well as distribution via streaming is considered an “install.” Games or apps with substantially similar content may be counted as one project, with installs then aggregated to calculate the Unity Runtime Fee.
>Each game or app’s cumulative install amount cannot be reset or reduced even if it has been sold, transferred to a new party, changed its name, been republished as a new version, added expansion content, or had its unique identifier (e.g., BundleID) altered. Additionally, a change in publisher or distributor does not reset the cumulative install amount.
https://unity.com/runtime-fee
are you retarded? they obviously mean streaming the game to play not streaming a game on youtube.
Normies are going to fuck unity devs to the grave just by using free GFN subscription that logs you out after an hour of playing, shit's hilarious
>>The installation and initialization of a game or app on an end user’s device as well as distribution via streaming is considered an “install.” Games or apps with substantially similar conte
Streaming is not for video content dumb fuck, it<s for cloud gaming.
>2023
>the pirate game X times and devs lose X*Y money maymeh is real
I love this clown world.
>devs with proprietary engines
Let them use Unreal.
>paid demos
>Seattle
Yeah...no. Fuck them and their most likely chud filled company. Hope they'll have to beg for their next HRT hit.
I forgot about Gamepass. Did Unity just try to torpedo Microsoft's next-gen business model?
Why should I celebrate some innocent people getting burned by slimy garden gnomes? not all gamedevs are insufferable leftists
>not all gamedevs are insufferable leftists
I'm a dev and I'm not a leftist, there are dozens of us
>I'm a dev and I'm not a leftist, there are dozens of us
prove it.
that I'm not a leftie or that I work in game dev? I work indie mostly but I still make the vast majority of my earnings in gaming.
I know plenty of artists and game devs who aren't lefties or aren't woke in the slightest in general.
added a rough sketch that will never see the light of day to prove I'm not a complete shitter.
>Prole grovels to petite bourgousie thug
Pathetic.
I'm not sure what you mean, but it's called working anon.
But whatever.
Not him but quick question. Will AI replace you?
Not him but quick question, will you ever be a woman?
Probably not. Why do you ask?
at some point, sure, not for now though, I take care of too many tasks that go beyond raw rendering and generic, chaotic iterations.
For now it's just not consistent, precise, flexible enough and lacks intelligent feedback to be truly dangerous to my work.
Luckily for me a lot of people still value parasocial relationships, so until humans completely change mindsets and forgo humanity, I'll always have some sort of clientele, that's what I think at least.
This is all under the optics of making money of course, personally I draw for my own pleasure only and have given up a lot of lucrative avenues to have more freedom and free time, so even when AIs eventually take over, I'll still do what I like to do if I'm allowed.
now this is schizo posting
I got it dude, you don't give a fuck, you can go back moron and chud posting now.
name one
Devs are paid salaries, anon. Only shareholder garden gnomes that have equity of the publisher suffer
bro?
indies?
Devs there are paid salaries too, it is not "we work for food", just the company is smaller. Even easier to make them not pander to trannies and blACKs
Not true. Most indie devs are literally like 1-4 guys working together with no pay other than a shared ownership in the company.
Why should I care a company 3 links before me, the end consumer, is getting garden gnomeed by another company 4 links before me?
serves them well, should have invested into making your own graphic engine, morons.
fuck bloatengine
>Me on the replies when the company inevitably announces their shut down
The best thing is that Unity didn't back down on the fee thing
So we'll see more games not developed in Unity then?
>Regardless of how the copy was obtained
You're telling me the dream of literally bankrupting a company by pirating a game over and over again will be a reality?
DO WHAT YOU WANT, CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE
>the download game to lose company money meme has actually become real
wew, lad. what a time to be alive.
I just don't see why the end consumer should care
because the final price of a product is also determined by it's cost ? did you just where born yesterday ?
Games are already overcosted without the 20 cent tax.
i've been here since 07 i don't give a fuck what you say, gaming will be better off if all the unity fake dev fame obsessed temporarily embarrassed millionaires disappeared
How would unity phone home if it's a cracked copy that just closed loops any connections out?
>one autist in his basement makes his own game engine for his RPG series and refused to use the same engine again for sequels
>modern game devs cry when they can't asset flip in garden gnome-controlled unity
i miss those days...
>companies being shit is good as long as it's happening to people I don't like
epic shortsightedness
being shit is good as long as it's happening to people I don't like
well that's what you have been saying for a decade
now you're shocked when it's happening to you, like we said it would all along
>well that's what you have been saying for a decade
>you
You don't even know me or my opinions, you're just assuming who i am, retard.
It is good.
whats stopping them from just not paying?
whats unity gonna do? call the cops? just dont pay
the companies legally have to agree to pay them in order to keep using their engine, if they aren't allowed to use the engine they aren't allowed to distribute nor operate the games they own in any way BECAUSE they use that engine
yeah. cops exist primarily to be enforcers for corporations.
>you can literally bankrupt an indy dev by installing their game over and over again
Oh god, people are going to abuse the fuck out of this.
Yeah I will fuck my own hardware to laugh at some indie nobody who already has a 100000:1 chance to end up bankrupt anyway
Oh no Ganker, what if more companies follow Unity, and put this feature in their engines?
just use godot
Godot's entire design philosophy is to not have licensing. If the official devs go under, people can fork the source code and continue to work with it.
Don't be a jinx and give Epic Games the idea.
Imagine being the judge looking at this case
>so the defendant never signed a contract, they merely clicked an 'i agree' button
>and this payment structure was only added AFTER the defendant finished and published their game using your engine
>according to YOUR internal data with which methods of gathering you won't reveal to the court, the defendant's game, this... 'Doki Doki Hotel Harem: Cumsplosion Chronicles' has been downloaded six billion times and now they owe you 1.2 billion dollars
>hm...
>so the defendant never signed a contract, they merely clicked an 'i agree' button
an agreement is an agreement unless you can prove that someone didn't have the capacity to enter a contract
>and this payment structure was only added AFTER the defendant finished and published their game using your engine
generally service contacts are written so that if they change the contract you need to agree to the new terms and conditions to continue to use the service
>according to YOUR internal data with which methods of gathering you won't reveal to the court, the defendant's game, this... 'Doki Doki Hotel Harem: Cumsplosion Chronicles' has been downloaded six billion times and now they owe you 1.2 billion dollars
they can procedures in the law to use secret information like this in the lawsuit. the methods need to be disclosed in the court but they don't need to be disclosed to the public. also they can include language in the initial contract to force you into an nda if sued.
>an agreement is an agreement
>what is a contract of adhesion
retard.
US judges are put through programs to teach them that corporate freedom is the essential pillar of US democracy, even if, or especially if sometimes, it violates the freedoms of the clients or is only possible from holding a monopoly.
US judged do uphold the ToS. It seems unbelievable, but yes, they absolutely do. If you want to use the monopoly service, you implicitly "agree" and the system will punish you for upsetting the monopoly, every time.
In this case it would be big corporations suing Unity though, so the judge would probably rule whichever way makes the most corporations happy i.e. against Unity.
No. The larger corporations will make a special deal with Unity and the judge will masturbate about how smart all the lawyers are to be on retainer. He'll say it's so good, it's such a working system, so much better than anti-trust laws.
And then he'll ask the smaller companies why they're stupid and don't have lawyers on retainer, getting them special contracts, like the smart, very good, successful companies did.
The fact that money is the obvious answer won't register because if you don't have money you don't get freedoms. People without money are not a pillar of this nation's success, they are just holding back al, the good, smart companies, however few of them there are.
so what happens after this
Probably becomes an industry standard in more areas and unless you're working for a major corporate monopoly, if you make something you might be on the hook to pay someone higher in the social strata rent as punishment. And the company you're paying rent to will probably get bailouts and tax cuts in the next financial disaster while you won't.
Less stuff will be made and what is made will be lower quality.
No I meant more along the lines of what needs to be done to completely dismantle the bullshit system that has grown into this unmitigated nightmare scenario.
Violence probably. People are too stupid and apathetic to vote for their interests, and the government is controlled by corporate lobbyists anyway.
That was my conclusion as well.
Oh. Man, I don't know. DON'T vote Republican, whatever you do, but also most Democrats are neoliberal fucks so they'll promise to help and only sell you down the river anyway.
Sometimes the establishments almost learns something from the Trump era but then they talk themselves into trusting corporate America to hold the steering wheel again, as though these past decades have been a fluke.
>democrat
>neoliberal (aka wants to privatize everything under the sun)
what the fuck am I reading
Do not trust their words. Any socialism they spout is specifically to line their own pockets.
In fact, just assume all politicians are blinded by money. I dunno why people want millions on top of their millions, but such is life.
The Democrats have been a largely neoliberal party since the 70's, when they started stabbing al, the unions jn the back. Some of the most potent pro-corporate initiatives were led by Democratic presidents and congresses. They couldn't have so completely unfastened the New Deal if the Democrats hadn't wanted that.
That's why the party can't seem to win elections in spite of Republicans pretty much wearing fascism on their sleeves. They've spent years supporting corporate agendas so they could get funding and votes from the right, but now they don't know what they stand for and some of them probably still don't know why Hillary was unpopular.
"Not real socialism"
^that's what they're saying
I don't know how to explain that repealing Glass-Steagal to help the banks gamble with your savings money wasn't very socialist, but if you look at the voting habits the Dems are really not a socialist party. They're not even left-leaning, except on social issues.
yeah. the only part thats missing is the judge going "yep, guilty. pay the man his 1.2 billion dollars".
>The engine is used in games including Pokémon Go, Monument Valley, Call of Duty: Mobile, Beat Saber and Cuphead according to the Financial Times
Can Ganker beat COD and Pokemon with reinstalls?
Didn't Ask
Don't Care
Not my Problem
fuck videogame developers
>charging per install
>not charging per launch
>not charging an hourly run rate
>no "new game" fee
>no uninstall fee
Come on, if you're gonna be evil, be EVIL
They have to work up to it. Look at the reaction this is having. Give it some more time for this to become common place and there end up being more fees for end users like needing a premium plan to download free games and more installation limiting DRM, and then we can move onto those other things.
you know what
unity devs are going to intentionally inflate their filesizes and slow the installation times to try to combat people repeatedly installing the game
so expect to see every unity game being 500gb at least
>verify files
>tfw
>Guys, my game isn't working
>Have you tried reinstalling?
Money stolen.
this was an extremely retarded idea
are they going to kill unity or what? total unreal supremacy?
Reminds me of the fine bros trying to trademark "react to" videos.
Is that actually true?
Gentlemen, I am going to post it:
garden gnomenity
A+
https://twitter.com/AggroCrabGames/status/1379870922006466563
They want that sweet sweet genshin money
Our guy Ricitello can't stop dabbing on bros.
>someone pirates video game
>money literally stolen from dev
>piracy is now actually theft
>unity singlehandedly invented actual quantifiable piracy
I used to add firewall rules to block pirated vidya from talking to the internet but now that it's gonna lose goyslop companies money I'm considering changing the habit
>draconian measure begin to be taken against piracy in response
>I'm Brazilian
Rigatoni's the CEO? Huh, explains a lot.
Is he of *ahem* a certain religion and or group of people perhaps?...or is my fury being mislead by what's usually the case?
That's right, he's It*lian-Amer*can
AAAAAAAH YA'RE BREAKING MY HEART
Don't worry they are brain dead console pigs.
>get a slice of pizza for free
>eat it
>pizza joint wants you to pay for it now
Yeah this sounds like it'll fly in court.
Its an agreement chud time to pay!
Imagine if everyone on game pass downloaded this game at once and MS got hit with a 6.2 million dollar bill out of nowhere. Unity would be gone within a month
Leaving this thing here
....
also this
>just so you know who to blame
Nice scapegoat. Unity CEO has always been like this. He's the guy that transformed EA into the shitshow it is today.
Sigh.
Let's get this over with...
*pulls out oversized jagermeister bottle*
>mfw I can script a way to kick whiny indie devs and Unity at the same time
>mfw I can simply dedicate a crappy old laptop to it
Even in these terrible times, at least I can be amused.
Lets boycott them like we did with Reddit!
Curious, is Space Station 14 also made in unity? If so, SS13 lives forever.
>The main reason I've been paying $400 a year for "PLUS" was simply to remove the Unity Splash Screen and replace it with my company logo. Now you're saying I have to pay $2,040 per year in order to keep that "feature", and on top of that you plan on charging me ~20 cents per install (for my games that sell for $1-$3). I don't care about or plan to use any of the new features your PRO brings to the table. I will probably take advantage of the 1-year "PLUS price" upgrade to PRO, but I'm afraid these new changes definitely have me looking at your competitors for my future engine needs. 🙁
>unity self-immolates
>shitty devs have to learn how to code again rather than relying on third party asset flips
Is this supposed to be a bad thing?
devs have to learn how to code again rather than relying on third party asset flips
Wishful thinking. Everyone knows this will only accelerate the push for ~~*TPM*~~ adoption.
The majority will likely be switching to Godot because its FOSS nature avoids this situation from happening again and its big 4.0 update released earlier this year
>Tourist brains are so crippled by porn addiction and political gossip that they can't comprehend the most obvious sarcasm
Don't worry, I'll make sure to put a /s at the end next time to accomodate you, just like your reddit xisters do.
I don't know why I'm supposed to be happy about this, there are a bunch of Unity games I genuinely like.
What makes people think that they're entitled to use someone else's game engine for free?
>Just because I have allowed ships to pass along my riverfront property for years without charge, they say I cannot now draw a chain across the river and extract rent? I own the land, it is MY river property after all!
The tech sector is mainly just reinventing things that were illegal for a reason. It's reasonable to ask a fee up front, but frankly unconscionable to let companies fully develop their products with your engine for free so that you could unilaterally alter the contract and rape them. Especially if this can be done by every other software jn the process.
>What makes people think that they're entitled to use someone else's game engine for free?
The fact that they already pay $185 per developer a month to use the fucking engine?