Has anyone else noticed the phenomenon of easy NES games being way overrated for what they are?

Has anyone else noticed the phenomenon of easy NES games being way overrated for what they are? Games like Rygar, Faxanadu and DuckTales are totally fine games, but simply don't deserve the title of "NES classic" the way StarTropics, Castlevania, Murasame, Journey to Silius or Zelda do. They just feel bland and have lazy design overall.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I will call you racial slurs repeatedly if you EVER imply Faxanadu isnt a nes classic. Love that game and beat it legit years ago. Anyone that thinks its not a nes classic got filtered at the first boss

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you just stand in one spot and spam the button, truly riveting gameplay.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You actually need good timing and range judgement to beat the first boss this way. A first time player almost certainly won't do this by luck alone. You spend an hour or so grinding first to get the shield, don't you anon.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          he got absolutely filtered by the first boss and has hated the game ever since. its a great title and a great adventure. def nes classic

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ducktales is great you gay, it's like wario land but with pogos. not to mention dat music.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      DuckTales is absolutely a more well regarded classic than Star Tropics, Silius or Murasame. What the frick are you smoking?

      It's well regarded by those who played it as a a kid and who love the brand. Everyone else sees it for what it is, just a shorter more repetitive Mega Man with some cool secrets and faithfulness to the show. StarTropics, Silius and Murasame are exhilirating to play, every enemy is thoughtfully placed, the challenge is perfect and they can easily compete with the best of games from any era on their own.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >a shorter more repetitive Mega Man
        That's Darkwing Duck. DuckTales is nothing like MM.
        And its modern remake and trademark pogo jump still being referenced in games like DKC Tropical Freeze and Shovel Knight should tell you that it's still more known and beloved than those games.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    DuckTales is absolutely a more well regarded classic than Star Tropics, Silius or Murasame. What the frick are you smoking?

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Back then, actually beating a game was so unusual to most people that they got a big dopamine rush from accomplishing it. There's a reason the Konami code became a part of pop culture, it was 'cuz everybody used it. If Contra didn't have the 99 lives code it wouldn't be remembered as fondly today, but because of it it's even more fondly remembered than any of its sequels.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. There is a reason why arcade difficulty left the mainstream - most people don't actually enjoy playing the same thing over and over to master the game. They just put up with it, because you'd be hard pressed to find good games without it at the time.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a 30 lives code. Play the games before talking shit

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm 37 years old and haven't needed the konami code for a couple decades now, cut me some slack.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't agree that this is true about the NES games you mentionned, but I do agree it's true to some extent for certain franchises

    >Mega Man
    1 is considered "dated". Of course it's the one where you can't brute force the game with E-Tanks, and even the weaknesses don't brute force the game as well as in the sequels, you're obligated to get good to go past the boss rush in this one. Meanwhile of course the most popular are 2 and 5, the easiests.
    And then there is &Bass being disregarded, of course it's also hard.

    >Mega Man X
    X3 is the "black sheep". Of course it's the harder one of the trilogy.

    >Castlevania
    IV and Rondo. Neither of which require you to get good until really late into the game. Meanwhile Dracula XX on SNES is regarded as being shit, of course that one requires you to get good.

    also ActRaiser2 being dismissed compared to 1, again, same thing. Zelda II. Ninja Gaiden 3. Dragon Quest 2. Final Fantasy II and VIII, which actually demand to learn a unique game system.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I really loved not being able to fast travel in DQ2, that was such a cool mechanic.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can use a wing or spell to go back to your last save point and there are teleporters set up all around the world

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is fast travel in shrines. You really suck at games.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      everyone shits on 5 for no reason though, i mean i guess it's not as memorable as the games it's inbetween but it's still pretty good, better than 1 and 3 at least. you do get an excessive amount of random life drops but no game from 1-6 is that hard that you'll see the game over screen anyway so it's whatever really. most people really like 9 and 11 despite them bein tougher than the rest aside from &forte.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Games can be enjoyable AND hard, there is a fine balance, however, many of the games you named are either hated for other reasons besides the difficulty or are difficult because of bullshit reasons not pertaining to making a legit good challenge.

      >Mega Man 1
      The physics are wonky making the platforming unreliable and unnecessarily difficult, those platforms in Ice Man and Wily 3 in particular can legit kill you without it being your fault. E-tanks has nothing to do with it, and you're crazy if you think the weakness don't trivialize the fights as much as they do in any of the other games. Also, 2 has many instant death hazards that require precise platforming, it's not as hard as 1 but it's by no means "the easiest".

      >X3
      Poorly thought upgrade routing and upgrades themselves (specially the ride armors), overly simplistic boss patterns, half baked playable Zero mechanic.

      >Dracula XX
      Hated because it's an inferior port of Rondo that's missing content and features and has a worse level design, shittier physics not suited for the platforming on said new levels. Also, you're moronic if you think Rondo is "easy" except when you're playing as Maria.

      >Act Raiser 2
      Hated because people loved the sim part of the 1st one and 2 is just a straight action game.

      >Zelda II
      Cryptic without a guide, grindy, lots of time spent backtracking when you die.

      >Ninja Gaiden 3
      Butchered localization with removed features and unnecessary difficulty changes pushed by greedy execs, not true to the original.

      >DQ2
      I thought this one was actually well regarded so not sure what you're on about.

      >FFII and VIII
      Unique =/= good, props to you for enjoying tedium and feeling good about it, but most people can see it for how moronic it is.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >most people can see it for how moronic it is.
        >See, I NEED to draw 99 magic from EVERY enemy

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Some people don't like smashing their balls with a hammer.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Also I would like to say that this phenomenom has increased in the past few years, as modern gaming got easier and easier with no alternative.

    Pic related used to be a Ganker meme in 2008-2010. That and complaining about "CAASUUAAALLS" invading the media.
    Which tells you that even during the 7th gen there was a large group of people who still enjoyed difficulty.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      forgot file

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      and in case that's not clear what I mean is "retro gamers" have their view of retro gaming influenced by modern games (like how we have the weekly "random encounters are... LE BAD!" threads).

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bait thread. There's a phenomenon of stupid people that gets dopamine rushes by making such moronic threads.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I blame shitty retro youtuber essayists and reviewers

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For the most part, yeah. It's some weird devolution from "hidden gem". The consensus for what makes a game good or great has degraded due to the increased volume of shitty games making older more mediocre games look better than they actually are. The midwit has no idea what's happening and just accepts at face value the skewed evaluation given to them by their self appointed hierarchy of internet celebrities.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Faxanadu is not a NES classic
    holy effing frick the levels of zoomery this board is reaching....

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >many of the games you named are either hated for other reasons besides the difficulty

    Yeah that's what they would say because one never admits he gets filtered, he finds bullshit reasons instead like more than half of the things you listed.
    The filtering is the main reason though. This is especially obvious when the reasons listed for disliking the game are completely wrong (like calling XX a port of Rondo) or baseless (the reason for the difficulty change in ninja gaiden 3).
    Someone who's never gotten good just does not have the same level of appreciation especially when it comes to action games.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In some series the case is the opposite, Ys 5, the braindead easy one, is universally regarded as the low point of the series whilst Oath in Felghana is most people's favourite despite easily being the hardest. Ys is really niche though

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Any fine game can be a classic for a lot of people you homosexual, stop asking others to approve your opinions.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You’re a homosexual. No one has ever claimed that Ducktales was a hard game. It’s a FUN game with fricking jamming music. Frick you

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Silius is a completely broken game with good music.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Broken how?? The version I played was fair in every way and beatable without having glitches.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Capcom disney games as a whole are at best pretty good. Fans of them seem to hold them well above many games and I just don't see why.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why can't they be classics? You weren't even alive when they came out.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I completely forgot about Star Tropics what the frick

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Murasame is a classic and Faxanadu isn't? you're just a straight up frickin moron OP. Murasame is a decent game but it's nothing amazing I'd put it in the same tier as something like kid nikki or mighty bomb jack. Those are good games too but not classics.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In Japan Mighty Bomb Jack sold 1,5 million copies. It also was Famiclone material.

      I can't find the data for Murasame anymore but I remember the sales being rather low, something in between 100 and 300k and it's a disk system exclusive, I'm not even sure it got a disk writer release either.

      Faxanadu sold 50k in Japan.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Faxanadu and DuckTales
    >bland and have lazy design overall.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Has anyone noticed that the games people actually beat and enjoyed are more beloved than the games people did not

    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here is a good example of what I meant earlier

    [...]

    Guy is mad because he fell in an instant death pit. But does he say the game is bad because he got filtered? Of course not. Instead it's "a flaw", with the modern gamer mentality anything that kills the player is "bad design".
    And this is just fricking Mario of all things, now apply this logic to actually hard games and you get bad players who invent bullshit reasons to say the games suck.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How is Journey to Silius better than DuckTales? Journey to Silius is hot trash
    Startropics is also really fricking meh

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So I just beat Mario 2 for the Famicom and I can confirm this phenomenon, this game rocks and has extremely clever levels, if these levels had been made by some "kaizo" maker in Mario Maker 2 everyone would love it, but because it is an official release and everyone expects it to be easy so they can tick it off their backlog it gets such a bad rap. The only unfair bullshit this game has is far too many hidden blocks. Some of them are clever though.

      You have to think when playing StarTropics and Silius because the developers weren't lazy and made enemies that countered your moveset in a clever way so you had to use your brain and reflexes, like what a proper game is all about. DuckTales doesn't completely lack it but it's far less present.

      Murasame is a classic and Faxanadu isn't? you're just a straight up frickin moron OP. Murasame is a decent game but it's nothing amazing I'd put it in the same tier as something like kid nikki or mighty bomb jack. Those are good games too but not classics.

      Murasame has better bosses than most of the NES library despite being an early release, tons of sprites and action on the screen at all times, a rich moveset with a katana, projectiles and a special weapon and every moment of gameplay matters. It's perfect.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did you know you can enjoy the games you want without diminishing the ones others enjoy?

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Alot of people conflate amount of content with better. Yeah, DuckTales is an easy game that you can beat in less than 30 minutes........ But that's okay. It doesn't need to be Dark Souls.
    Now if we're talking value 100% DuckTales is not good value but if we get into that sort of discussion on value it becomes a whole fricking can of worms. You can't really objectively talk about value

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most NES and Genesis games were so hard that probably 90% of people who played them never finished them. If a game was relatively easy to beat but still fun when replaying, it achieved god-tier status. Simple as.

    Kids using emulators with save states wouldn't understand.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In an era where most games are fricking impossible and no one ever made it past level 2, a game that is actually genuinely playable is a classic in the minds of most.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >duck tales vs zelda
    >doom vs harvest moon
    >resident evil vs mario 64
    >traveling by airplane vs reading a book
    >eating a hot meal vs doing laundry

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I feel almost like Rygar is underrated if anything. The controls are responsive, music is catchy in most places and has a uniqueness to it, the world is quite extensive for NES, the level of challenge is actually pretty good for a game where you get stronger the more enemies you kill and can technically trivialize by grinding (unless you play the European version). It has that "where the frick do I go" kind of feeling, but you can largely figure out what to do with the help of the big monk looking dudes you find scattered around the game.

    Yet nobody ever really seems to talk about it despite all the good points the game has.

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