>Has none of the experimental feeling of its predecessor

>Has none of the experimental feeling of it’s predecessor
>starts the dilution or brown&blooming of many series which peaked on its predecessor
>kickstarts the king and gradual decline of inspiration in game design

“Yeah but it had a DVD player” doesn’t save this console when looking back at its library sorry

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I love the PS2 so much bros. I'll go back to finishing up Ratchet and Clank later today in your honor, OP.

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    This the gamecube cope thread?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >if someone talks bad about sony, it MUST be nintendo!
      isn't the natural enemy of Sony the Xbox/MS? Why do Sony fans always feel so insecure about Nintendo specifically?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Xbox fans don't really exist online when compared to Nintendo people, who thanks to America are fricking endless and just love talking about it. Nintendo fans are more annoying online, so that's why they get targeted.

        OP I don't agree, the PS2 still had experiments. Sure, it was less so because it was more expensive and complicated, and because CD zeitgeist was a big push for artists and investors to throw money at stuff that wouldn't see the light of day otherwise, but it's not really pa2's fault that the day had passed.

        all the shit you identified as damaging about ps2 and you never mention GTA 3? That game sent the industry into a fricking tailspin as devs desperately tried to get 10 year old boys to think they were cool.

        I always thought it was interesting how the N64 had so many prominent platformers, while the PS1 had great ones it didn't become *the* genre associated with it while the PS2 basically had every single platformer that generation barring Mario and the handful of Xbox ones. Sorry Voodoo Vince. PS2 is the platformer machine of the 6th gen.

        despite the camera stick addition for most games, I never liked gc/Xbox/PS2 platformers much. I think Mario 64 spoiled me, that game was wizardry for 3d and still sets a standard imo.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          I prefer to enjoy the games for what they are rather than what they're not. Mario 64 for all its movement gimmicks has plenty of shortcomings other games since do not. I play games for the different experiences, not to measure how they live up to other games.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >who thanks to America are fricking endless
          Isn't Nintendo still mostly Japanese while Sony are now American?
          Anyway, it seems like that guy was being obsessed with nintendo, mentioning them when nothing about OP suggested he was a ninty fanboy

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            The whole angle I was making this thread from was that of a PSX fanboy lmao I thought that was obvious from the repeat mentions of its “predecessor”

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Most of the people on neo-/vr/ are just from Ganker now, they can't make deductions for shit, all they can do is think in their silly nintendo vs playstation console wars like the khvs they are.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I’ve realized any thread I make I need to weave a SNES vs Genesis angle into as it’s guaranteed 400 replies, it’s the /vr/ version of “unrelated lust provoking image”

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                And it's mostly just 1 guy who doesn't even like the Mega Drive, just uses it as a way to let everyone know how much does he hate the Super Nintendo, while wishing people were nostalgic about the ZX Spectrum instead.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Luv me speccy

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Snoozecube had its own problems don’t get me wrong, this generation just stunk in general in my opinion. I feel like Nintendo was ass between the SNES and the Wii. The Wii was cool because it was “different” (plus VC) but it had more shovelware than a shovel convention.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >this generation just stunk in general in my opinion
        I don't know how you can feel this way if you know much about the libraries of the 6th gen consoles.

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Has none of the experimental feeling of it’s predecessor
    What the frick are you talking about mate? Also...
    >it's
    Whatever you say, Paco

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    6th gen was peak 3d retrogaming and PS2 was arguably the best of the three consoles
    >inb4 nintoddlers kvetching
    i still have a gcn connected to my crt shut the frick up gamecube was also good but ps2 was better

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You know, all 3 of those arguments fit the PS3 much better than the PS2. Are you sure you didn't want to make this thread on Ganker instead?

      While I admire the PS1's experimentation there are plenty of great PS2 games. The PS2 even shares one of the best written game series in vidya history with the PS1, pic very related.

      RPGs, fighters, and shmups were all better on PSX.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I agree, platformers, 3D action games, and vehicle action games were better on PS2

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Also agree, good opinions

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          PS2 had some godlike platforming.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I always thought it was interesting how the N64 had so many prominent platformers, while the PS1 had great ones it didn't become *the* genre associated with it while the PS2 basically had every single platformer that generation barring Mario and the handful of Xbox ones. Sorry Voodoo Vince. PS2 is the platformer machine of the 6th gen.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's probably because of Jak & Daxter and Rachet & Clank.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >platformers
          6th gen has like 7 or 8 real platformers and most of them are on the GC. Jak aka kiddy GTA or Ratched aka kiddy tps are not platformers.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >doesn't count posting
            meh

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >what do you mean you want your game about jumping over platforms to be about jumping over platforms bro, just steal a car and go phew phew

              Traditional platformers were pretty much dead back then, and only came back a gen later with the Wii

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >peak genre autism
                lazy low effort shit posting

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >"A game about stealing cars and going phew phew is a platformer because... because I say so m'okay? By the way I have to go, going to play Halo Reach, the best fighting game ever"

                I mean sure there are some real platformers on PS2 that are pretty good, but PS1 has waaay more.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >he thinks people are saying GTA is a platformer
                Anon...are you moronic?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >He can't read

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm just here to have a good laugh at your expense. You certainly don't have anything interesting or well thought out to say.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well you didn't give a single argument and didn't seem to even understand my point so I guess I'll call you a moron too and go to bed.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Gonna have to break it to maximo, it can't be a platformer because you have a sword. Mario 64 isn't either because you can punch...very unplatformerly.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                There's a difference between
                >thing you can do
                and what you end up doing for most of the run. For a lot of PS2 platformers, jumping over platforms is a very secondary thing and you're constantly just fighting enemies or shooting at the bad guys. They're completely different experiences.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Don't be afraid to elaborate, I've gotten this much out of you. Why can't they be a subgenre of platformer when a significant chunk of the gameplay is still platforming? Banjo Kazooie is more a collecting game than a platformer, but it still qualifies as a platformer.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Why can't they be a subgenre of platformer when a significant chunk of the gameplay is still platforming?
                And that's why I made the traditional/not traditional distinction. They're still """platformers""", the platforming element is just so diluded it becomes just another part of a bigger picture. Jak II is as much of a platformer as it's a GTA clone, a third person shooter and a brawler. If you like platforming but don't cafe much for all the other subgenres, you're not going to get anything out of it. Same with the others.

                Meanwhile in Banjo, you wander around and collect things but the core gameplay is still the same jumping/exploring/minigame formula.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                so I'm playing through vexx right now, still in the first level but I'm going through a complex series of platforms where I'm navigating tight ground, moving across invisible platforms, pushed around by wind, but I can also combo enemies and juggle them. Is that now no longer a platformer?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Lol you're asking me now, b***h? I thought you were the expert?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Are you spending a big chunk of the game NOT platforming? If yes, that's my issue. Not that hard to understand.
                >but where do we draw the line
                Well we have to draw it somewhere and a lot of PS2 """platformers""" don't pass for me.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Most PS2 platformers pass fine, it's a weirdly precise yet wobbly line you've decided to settle on. I'd say ratchet 1 is mostly a platformer, 2 less so but still fronting as one, 3 even less so, deadlocked more a shooter but with platforming. I see no reason to say Jak 1 isn't a platformer, and I have to acknowledge the greatness in games like maximo and cookie & cream, very pure and phenomenal platformers. Every Sly game is a platformer through and through. But for some reason 6 mixed genre platformers in Jak & Ratchet has subtracted these games from existence.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not that anon but I agree, I do think the action took over in jak and ratchet later sequels but so many games from the first Mario bros had action, jumping on heads or shooting fireballs. Idk if you or the other anon were arguing about ps2 having better platformers over the gc, but I’d go GameCube every time for platformers.

                https://i.imgur.com/BPnOe1e.jpg

                >Has none of the experimental feeling of it’s predecessor
                >starts the dilution or brown&blooming of many series which peaked on its predecessor
                >kickstarts the king and gradual decline of inspiration in game design

                “Yeah but it had a DVD player” doesn’t save this console when looking back at its library sorry

                You should have had all 4 6th gen consoles because they all did something better than the other.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Jak & Daxter is more of an action game, you can call it an action platformer if you want but it's obviously a different animal than Crash and very different from Mario 54
                Not every game where you jump on platformers is a platformer, you know that's moronic you stupid moron
                >Mario 58 is akshully a beatemup, fighting game, racing game hurdurr durr
                That's you right now

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Jak & Daxter is more of an action game
                Something tells me Jack's going to have a tough time actioning himself up that green path there

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah insofar as the first Jak is a platformer, it's not better than Mario or Banjo or Crash. You can do things in Jak that you can do in those games, but the platforming elements aren't iterated on. It's very basic. Instead, they expanded into action-adventure elements which in the second game became the focus.
                >captcha: SMGAY

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        okay and the actual good games were better on PS2
        Devil May Cry is more fun than a shitty early 3D brawler where you are locked in place whenever you attack. Timesplitters is better than any PS1 FPS. Nothing on PS1 compares to San Andreas

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        shut the heck up psx didn't even have proper 3d rpgs

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          What's a "proper" 3D RPG?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          *ahem*

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        PS2 has great RPGs, I think they're underrated because they don't look like PS1 games. Almost no pre-rendered backgrounds or that awkward yet nostalgic mixture of 2D and 3D.

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    You know, all 3 of those arguments fit the PS3 much better than the PS2. Are you sure you didn't want to make this thread on Ganker instead?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >PS3
      not retro

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's why I said Ganker

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's why I said Ganker

        the not retro bot in its natural habitat.

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    While I admire the PS1's experimentation there are plenty of great PS2 games. The PS2 even shares one of the best written game series in vidya history with the PS1, pic very related.

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Much like it's predecessor, it has a higher quality and more variety library than any Nintendo console before or since.

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh great here we go with more moronic opinions

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      we can't have /vr/ without the usual revisionist threads
      I'll be making one about the SNES cpu soon

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        You will never have a full screen of enemies in a beat ‘em up

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          You can have Final Fight with co-op and 6 characters on screen without any slowdown but they start flickering.
          That's because of the 32 sprite per scanline limit, the processor has literally nothing to do with that.

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    There are a lot of good games on PS2, way more than on the PSX which is easily the most overrated console of the 90s

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    don't forget it has a terrible video signal. way too dark.
    And yeah the library is terrible. every good game is available elsewhere except like Katamari Damacy. I liked Ratchet and Clank when I was a kid but replaying it makes me feel depressed.

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    it was mandate FIFA/PES machine

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I really wish Sony had continued more of the fun colorful style from the PS1 and PSOne for just a little longer. A fully realized PocketStation handheld to compete with GBC or something would've been cool to see. I guess Dreamcast is the closest thing we have to another PS1-style console.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Also the white ones look so much nicer. We should've had these at launch instead of the ugly/boring black

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >ugly/boring black
        fat black ps2 is the only console design that's actually timeless tho

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          a timeless boring brick

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >brick
            post a sleeker looking console

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Gaystayshon 5

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                tied with the fat 3 for ugliest playstation

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous
  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Go back to your containment threads related to xbox or gamecube

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fun fact: The Marvel Cinematic Universe has a presence on the PS2 with Iron Man (2008)

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    You left out how the first few years of production were extremely failure prone and would wear out within a year of ownership. Launch model PS2's were even worse build quality than launch model PlayStation 1's.

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >brown&blooming of many series
    blame the gamecube and one game for that

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >muh brown and bloom
      games like Gears of War 1 and Killzone 2 looked great. now everything looks like some soulless fricking fortnite or league of legends clone with candy store color palette. frick everyone who used this as a detractor.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Actually those two games are bad. And frick off, I will take candy store Fortnite over the hell that was the late 2000s and early 2010s in gaming.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Actually those two games are bad.
          you wouldn't know, you haven't played them; as evidenced by the fact that you immediately attack them for being "bad" games in a discussion about aesthetics.
          >but i like muh zoomer colors
          i know, because you're fat and sexually confused

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    PS1 > PS2 any day

    Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of playable stuff in PS2, but PS1's library is so overwhelmingly vast, diverse and creative. There's nothing like it really

  18. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you watch those videos that compile 100 obscure games for Playstation and Playstation 2 the difference in quality is immediately noticeable. Something about the PS2 just sucked the quality out of lower budget releases and turned them into pure condensed shovelware.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's probably like modern games.
      nicer graphics = less effort needed to put into the game for it to sell

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah, only modern games put effort on grafix, Sega, Namco and all the other companies spent millions on specialized hardware as a prank, right my fellow jaded balding millenial

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Well, I never said that ONLY modern games do that.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ps2 was a lot harder to develop for

  19. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    "Starts x and y"
    Not an issue when the console has banger games from 2000 to 2008. Even as it became a problem you still typically have the earlier titles or just enough other shit to avoid it.
    It's also absurd to call the console of Katamari and Automobilista a grim console.
    It doesn't have the experimental style of the PS1, that I will give it to you, but nothing had that vibe anymore by 2002, only handheld games had it.

  20. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The ps2 has no games
    That is a fact
    It is only liked by subhuman normalgays that should have been gatekeep from videogames

  21. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >no experimentation
    My ass, this thing has wacky Japanese games you'll never hear of or play even if you dedicate your life to the library, just like the PS1. It even birthed pop-experimental and offbeat games like Katamari Damacy and Godhand. The character action genre started here. Just blow me, god you're so fricking wrong and dumb.
    >brown n bloom
    Artless western trash, maybe.
    >kickstarts the king
    Huh? Proofread before you shitpost.
    >... and gradual decline of inspiration in game design
    You're thinking of 7th gen, the 360, and the major shift toward western primacy and online bro games in that era. If it wasn't for Souls, Nintendo, and certain indie games that whole generation would hardly be worth bothering with.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >this thing has wacky Japanese games you'll never hear of or play even if you dedicate your life to the library
      They suck. Just look up videos about obscure PS2 games, they visibly suck hard.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Experiments aren't necessarily good. Nice goal-shift, though. Classic move.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry what wacky experimental games like the PSX? The difficulty to develop and increased cost of development specifically neutered that experimentation. It’s not equivalent in any capacity.

  22. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does anyone else read posts like that and come to the conclusion that it's just someone saying a bunch of bullshit that doesn't mean anything trying to quantify why they think one console has soul but the other doesn't?

  23. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    No there are plenty of low budget experimental ps2 games they just aren’t “liminal” like ps1 games so your favorite youtube Basedboys haven’t made videos on them.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >hit with word filter
      >acting like you’re the redpilled oldgay

      It’s time to go back

  24. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like both 7th and 5th generation more than 6th and I don't play anything earlier or later so I can't say anything about other generations. Of course 6th has some good games, but I just don't understand big 6th gen fans. It was the period of time with creativity and originality at their lowest. Don't reply

  25. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    This board is ran by idiots that start controversial threads on purpose and archive threads just because they don't like the person that starts them

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >This board is ran by idiots
      You just realized this?

  26. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    6th and 7th gens are when games started to become more homogeneous, there where still a good amount of great and good games, but videogames have stagnated with not real innovations or improvements to this day.

  27. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >none of the experimental muh feelings
    Reply to this if you've ever used a 128 bit processor.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Your mom will die at some point

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