If the files are on my computer I might as well own it. Steam can't delete it from my computer. I can always bypass Steam DRM with easily found cracks if steam servers died.
Your 'gotcha' moment just amounts to being moronic. You will never own the IP to any game, no dev is giving you all their work for $60. The ability to sell 2nd hand games is moronic. Just copy them and give them to your friends for free. Are you a israeli?
That's not just old games, DRM is completely optional for Steam.
That being said, they also allow third party shit like Denuvo. This always happens to libertarians, they make being good optional and in turn allow the greatest evil.
Most defend patent and IP laws too, which are both detrimental to the market and competition
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is this the thing where you're pretending their for 7 billion year copyright laws and the utilization of copyright law to violate tons of rights to ownership an end user has? Or do you oppose copyright law in it's entirety even in it's original form which was limited STRICTLY to commercial redistribution of protected works.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not the same anon, but what's the difference?
The latter always becomes the former given enough time because it's possible to buy new laws through lobbying.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>but what's the difference? >The latter always becomes the former
Anon even you recognize there's a difference, also >This law could just be made into a new law
Isn't an argument against laws. You wouldn't abolish the right of people to have screwdrivers just because some guy could use them to stab another person.
2 years ago
Anonymous
My point is that the "difference" is at best temporary. At worst, the introduction of a such a law in its most restricted form is simply a tactic for establishing legal precedent.
The possible ramifications must be considered in accordance with historical evidence. I believe that's sensible. >You wouldn't abolish the right of people to have screwdrivers just because some guy could use them to stab another person.
You are right, in a sensible world that wouldn't happen.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Did you really just justify a screwdriver ban
2 years ago
Anonymous
Maybe I'm not being clear enough.
It doesn't matter if screwdrivers are harmful or not. The decisions of the ruling class serve only their own interests, not the public's.
They could ban the color yellow tomorrow and you would have to either take it or commit civil disobedience by wearing a yellow tie.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I oppose it completely.
Most important research anyway is government and military funded anyway. Some dickheads shouldn't be able to buy the patent and manipulate the Markey with it. Tech would be so much further ahead if we didn't have Apple v Google v Microsoft paying hundreds of millions in patent securing
>I can always bypass Steam DRM with easily found cracks if steam servers died
if/when steam servers die and if gayben doesn't live up to his promise that he would still let you access all the games you purchased then I'll just pirate or crack everything that I bought and steam can go frick itself. We're talking years in the future so even the momst AAA denuvo heavy game will have long been cracked
>promise that he would still let you access all the games you purchased
You know he just meant that he'll let you download them onto your hard drive, right? A bankrupt company won't patch every single fricking game on their platform to remove the DRM, kek
Plus, Gaben is gonna die long before Steam does and who knows what the suits are gonna do then
i know he might not have meant anything by it. It could have just been fluff to try and placate people like me who worry about owning things indefinitely. I also know he isn't long for this world and who knows what happens after he goes back to the mud but like I said in my post: it literally won't matter as everything I've purchased on steam will be able to be pirated or cracked without much issue.
I didn't say one thing about discs or physical media you moronic low reading comprehension level ESLBlack person.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are you playing games in your imagination then? You (or the person you're downloading them from) have to obtain them one way or the other.
2 years ago
Anonymous
do you not understand that it's the exe on the disc that makes the game run? Do you not also understand that most discs games today have drm built in? What are you even trying to say? All I said was even if I lose access to all my games tomorrow on steam I'll be able to pirate most of them and eventually it will be all of them.
there is room for improvement
i wish physical copies were still thing, but when you got them back then they still require you to sign to online account (gta 4, anno 2070) or/and have drm
bigger cancer is need for account for every game uplay, origing, bethesda.net etc and battle/season passes
You really REALLY need to get off the israelite trick of physical copies and stop pretending you don't own the software you've bought.
When it comes crashing down it literally won't matter what medium you have it on, so don't bother pretending one is more special over the other.
Yes and no.
Yes because of DRM, lack of ownership rights and general anti-consumer practices like no refunds until someone sued them.
No because the alternative was Games for Windows Live. I mean imagine if that was the standard?
Steam dominating the PC market is not the best outcome, but by God it's far from the worst.
>Only place where you're still encouraged to form authentic game communities to escape social manipulation >Added a mod repository when mod websites started being shitters and essentially forced shitheads to put their mods somewhere people can easily find them >DRM is just easy enough to crack that it's not an issue >Comprehensive store filtering >Global admins prevent community admins from being complete homosexuals >Multiple free to use APIs to allow people to more easily play games together
Granted the bar's low since the default is treating people that pay for your products as criminals in the software world, but they have a pretty high standard.
Unironically though, they should use their clout and tell irdeto to frick off.
Yes. It makes buying games easy so morons just buy garbage and garbage is being produced.
Most people haven't played even 30% of the shit they """own""" on steam.
>Admitted to shoveling mountains of shit into his backlog because they're free
I found the gay who played only 10% of the shit he paid for.
99.999% of my steam library was paid for with tf2 hats.
If you want to get into it, I've technically played nearly 20,000% of the games I paid for, because I didn't really pay for most of my 200 game library.
why do you care so much about other people's money? buying a video game costs nothing anyways, you can't even go out to a restaurant for that amount of money, and that lasts what, 2 hours? it's not even enough money for a night out drinking
there needs to be sort of curation
even tag filtering can't get rid you all the shovelware
tho they are hypocrites as furry porn games stay and japanese stuff gets banned
>people buying games is the problem
bed-time kiddo
>they are hypocrites as furry porn games stay and japanese stuff
How many times do you need it explained to you that your super duper highschool freshman fricker game can't be hosted on the biggest storefront in the US
Steam does exactly what it's supposed to
Lazy people like me buy hundreds of games rather than pirating because it's more convenient to have them accessible in one place
I haven't used my own money to buy a game on Steam in years. I have a bot running on my raspberry pi that buys and sells CSGO, TF2 and DotA2 items for me. Generates around £40-120 a month.
I think its neutral
Its easier to get games, i like proton a lot, but on the other hand, not having physical discs of the games means I'm reliant on them for things I've already bough.
Feels like they were already on that trajectory since they started developing Source; build tools and systems for games but less focus on games. Unfortunately, the Steam client is still a bit of a pig and while they have a bunch of projects for improving the shopping experience they still, years later, have yet to frontload that on the webstore.
Steam dragged PC gaming out of the stone ages and proved, definitively, that piracy is a service problem, and anybody who complains about piracy is making excuses for their incompetence.
Yes. Consoles are rent seeking, but some of that money goes to push the hardware costs down. Steam is rent seeking too, but most of that money goes to fatten up Gabe and some horrendous hardware abortions they try to sell you.
it revived pc gaming and even elevated it to its current heights despite its rocky start and its many controversies
still overall a positive net gain for PC gaming, at least compared to other companies
>b-but you own nothing because its not FISIKAL
explain the many cracked games on my external hdd then
Not really. You have to take into account the kind of fricktarded DRM physical PC games used to come with when Steam was starting to gain ground, such as limited online activations and malware-tier drivers that would frick with your DVD drive. Steam was a welcome change to that when physical media no longer meant you own the game anyway, unless you cracked it.
And compared to other online storefronts, it deserves its top position. It's pretty much the only store that goes beyond a minimum viable service, only the GOG and itch model of clientless, DRM free distribution has its own perks, which is why I use them as well.
>Made PC gaming into DRM bullshit >Ban modders having the "wrong" opinions >Ban anime games while letting furry porn and other degeneracy in their store >They pushed the early access shit >Popularized lootboxes in the west >Every "feature" on the store is just social facebook meme shit >You don't even own the games you buy, devs can whenever they want remove the games from your account (see X-note) >Forcing spyware on your PC >CCP shilling >When Steam became popular PC gaming pretty much died over night
geee I do wonder
Meh. The only games I've purchased are fighting games like Guilty Gear so I can play online. Otherwise, I pirate all my shit lol.
Steam no. The community? Absolutely
This. Almost every cancerous aspect of modern gaming can trace its roots to the pc community.
Why do you hate freedom?
you mispelled consoleshitters though
Yeah they made a handheld
not that I can think of, no. Steam is literally the best storefront on PC.
bro no one's gonna think that handhelds are the next gen of PC's, but Steam Deck is useful as frick for emulation and quick games on the go
Steam/Valve is the only company fighting to preserve pc gaming
>Preserve PC gaming by owning nothing
If the files are on my computer I might as well own it. Steam can't delete it from my computer. I can always bypass Steam DRM with easily found cracks if steam servers died.
Your 'gotcha' moment just amounts to being moronic. You will never own the IP to any game, no dev is giving you all their work for $60. The ability to sell 2nd hand games is moronic. Just copy them and give them to your friends for free. Are you a israeli?
A lot of older games from Steam you don't even need to login.
You can just open the exe file through the systems folder
That's not just old games, DRM is completely optional for Steam.
That being said, they also allow third party shit like Denuvo. This always happens to libertarians, they make being good optional and in turn allow the greatest evil.
Libertarians are just fricking morons in general.
Most defend patent and IP laws too, which are both detrimental to the market and competition
Is this the thing where you're pretending their for 7 billion year copyright laws and the utilization of copyright law to violate tons of rights to ownership an end user has? Or do you oppose copyright law in it's entirety even in it's original form which was limited STRICTLY to commercial redistribution of protected works.
Not the same anon, but what's the difference?
The latter always becomes the former given enough time because it's possible to buy new laws through lobbying.
>but what's the difference?
>The latter always becomes the former
Anon even you recognize there's a difference, also
>This law could just be made into a new law
Isn't an argument against laws. You wouldn't abolish the right of people to have screwdrivers just because some guy could use them to stab another person.
My point is that the "difference" is at best temporary. At worst, the introduction of a such a law in its most restricted form is simply a tactic for establishing legal precedent.
The possible ramifications must be considered in accordance with historical evidence. I believe that's sensible.
>You wouldn't abolish the right of people to have screwdrivers just because some guy could use them to stab another person.
You are right, in a sensible world that wouldn't happen.
Did you really just justify a screwdriver ban
Maybe I'm not being clear enough.
It doesn't matter if screwdrivers are harmful or not. The decisions of the ruling class serve only their own interests, not the public's.
They could ban the color yellow tomorrow and you would have to either take it or commit civil disobedience by wearing a yellow tie.
I oppose it completely.
Most important research anyway is government and military funded anyway. Some dickheads shouldn't be able to buy the patent and manipulate the Markey with it. Tech would be so much further ahead if we didn't have Apple v Google v Microsoft paying hundreds of millions in patent securing
Least they make you warn people, although if I remember right zenimax got away with hiding it for doom eternal
>I can always bypass Steam DRM with easily found cracks if steam servers died
if/when steam servers die and if gayben doesn't live up to his promise that he would still let you access all the games you purchased then I'll just pirate or crack everything that I bought and steam can go frick itself. We're talking years in the future so even the momst AAA denuvo heavy game will have long been cracked
>promise that he would still let you access all the games you purchased
You know he just meant that he'll let you download them onto your hard drive, right? A bankrupt company won't patch every single fricking game on their platform to remove the DRM, kek
Plus, Gaben is gonna die long before Steam does and who knows what the suits are gonna do then
i know he might not have meant anything by it. It could have just been fluff to try and placate people like me who worry about owning things indefinitely. I also know he isn't long for this world and who knows what happens after he goes back to the mud but like I said in my post: it literally won't matter as everything I've purchased on steam will be able to be pirated or cracked without much issue.
>if/when steam servers die
If/when your disc gets scratched I'll still be able to download my Steam games you dumb hoarderBlack person.
I didn't say one thing about discs or physical media you moronic low reading comprehension level ESLBlack person.
Are you playing games in your imagination then? You (or the person you're downloading them from) have to obtain them one way or the other.
do you not understand that it's the exe on the disc that makes the game run? Do you not also understand that most discs games today have drm built in? What are you even trying to say? All I said was even if I lose access to all my games tomorrow on steam I'll be able to pirate most of them and eventually it will be all of them.
there is room for improvement
i wish physical copies were still thing, but when you got them back then they still require you to sign to online account (gta 4, anno 2070) or/and have drm
bigger cancer is need for account for every game uplay, origing, bethesda.net etc and battle/season passes
at least they support linux
You really REALLY need to get off the israelite trick of physical copies and stop pretending you don't own the software you've bought.
When it comes crashing down it literally won't matter what medium you have it on, so don't bother pretending one is more special over the other.
*epic
steam saved pc gaming
The only reason PC gaming is relevant today is because of Steam.
>steam bans modders who remove gay flags
They had to of been doing something else.
Cuck simulator is a whole game making fun of Black folk, cucks and gays
stupid fricking thread
Yes. Now people think there's nothing wrong with DRM.
Yes and no.
Yes because of DRM, lack of ownership rights and general anti-consumer practices like no refunds until someone sued them.
No because the alternative was Games for Windows Live. I mean imagine if that was the standard?
Steam dominating the PC market is not the best outcome, but by God it's far from the worst.
We will eat the bugs
We will live in pod
And we will be happy
>Only place where you're still encouraged to form authentic game communities to escape social manipulation
>Added a mod repository when mod websites started being shitters and essentially forced shitheads to put their mods somewhere people can easily find them
>DRM is just easy enough to crack that it's not an issue
>Comprehensive store filtering
>Global admins prevent community admins from being complete homosexuals
>Multiple free to use APIs to allow people to more easily play games together
Granted the bar's low since the default is treating people that pay for your products as criminals in the software world, but they have a pretty high standard.
Unironically though, they should use their clout and tell irdeto to frick off.
Yes. It makes buying games easy so morons just buy garbage and garbage is being produced.
Most people haven't played even 30% of the shit they """own""" on steam.
>people buying games is the problem
bed-time kiddo
>people buying games is the problem
Yes. Time to consoom more, homosexual.
>Consoom
>Coming from a pirate that probably pirates the literal shittiest games imaginable because they're free
majority of games ever made are free if you have a brain. the rest are multiplayer focused
pirates the smartest breed of consumer
>Admitted to shoveling mountains of shit into his backlog because they're free
99.999% of my steam library was paid for with tf2 hats.
If you want to get into it, I've technically played nearly 20,000% of the games I paid for, because I didn't really pay for most of my 200 game library.
I found the gay who played only 10% of the shit he paid for.
why do you care so much about other people's money? buying a video game costs nothing anyways, you can't even go out to a restaurant for that amount of money, and that lasts what, 2 hours? it's not even enough money for a night out drinking
there needs to be sort of curation
even tag filtering can't get rid you all the shovelware
tho they are hypocrites as furry porn games stay and japanese stuff gets banned
but he is right
>they are hypocrites as furry porn games stay and japanese stuff
How many times do you need it explained to you that your super duper highschool freshman fricker game can't be hosted on the biggest storefront in the US
but they are all 2000 years old vampires
furry games don't have characters most people associate with real life children so where's the hypocrisy?
Steam does exactly what it's supposed to
Lazy people like me buy hundreds of games rather than pirating because it's more convenient to have them accessible in one place
sony is porting their first party games on PC so I'd say no
Everyone loves to shit on them, but valve is easily the least malevolent of all the videogame megacorps.
I haven't used my own money to buy a game on Steam in years. I have a bot running on my raspberry pi that buys and sells CSGO, TF2 and DotA2 items for me. Generates around £40-120 a month.
link to bot?
Maybe some but all the positive outweighs it.
It enabled the rise of indie gaming which is now brutally mogging the entire AAA industry.
Yes it's success made valve lazy pieces of shit so no more portal left 4 dead or half life.
Portal ended pretty conclusively with 2 why do people act like a sequel is so guaranteed?
I think its neutral
Its easier to get games, i like proton a lot, but on the other hand, not having physical discs of the games means I'm reliant on them for things I've already bough.
Pc gaming is only alive today thanks to steam cause microsoft has been desperately trying to kill it for 20 years now
>Has Steam had a negative impact on PC gaming?
I'm not sure, i'm waiting for an e-celeb to tell me what to think
Yea. Early access shit, trading cards and loot boxes, always online drm
There's some negatives for sure but the positive impacts far outweigh it
It’s definitely had a negative impact on Valve’s desire to make new games, I’ll say that much.
Feels like they were already on that trajectory since they started developing Source; build tools and systems for games but less focus on games. Unfortunately, the Steam client is still a bit of a pig and while they have a bunch of projects for improving the shopping experience they still, years later, have yet to frontload that on the webstore.
It sucks but the alternatives are even worse. I'm glad developers didn't flock to Uplay or something.
Steam dragged PC gaming out of the stone ages and proved, definitively, that piracy is a service problem, and anybody who complains about piracy is making excuses for their incompetence.
steamdrones are the worst fanbase on any board.
Scratch a steam hater and you'll find an epic shill underneath, every time.
unironically saved pc gaming
to think that 5 years ago we still had to beg for some games to come out
Yes. Consoles are rent seeking, but some of that money goes to push the hardware costs down. Steam is rent seeking too, but most of that money goes to fatten up Gabe and some horrendous hardware abortions they try to sell you.
it revived pc gaming and even elevated it to its current heights despite its rocky start and its many controversies
still overall a positive net gain for PC gaming, at least compared to other companies
>b-but you own nothing because its not FISIKAL
explain the many cracked games on my external hdd then
Not really. You have to take into account the kind of fricktarded DRM physical PC games used to come with when Steam was starting to gain ground, such as limited online activations and malware-tier drivers that would frick with your DVD drive. Steam was a welcome change to that when physical media no longer meant you own the game anyway, unless you cracked it.
And compared to other online storefronts, it deserves its top position. It's pretty much the only store that goes beyond a minimum viable service, only the GOG and itch model of clientless, DRM free distribution has its own perks, which is why I use them as well.
No.
Old CD protection was much worse.
>Made PC gaming into DRM bullshit
>Ban modders having the "wrong" opinions
>Ban anime games while letting furry porn and other degeneracy in their store
>They pushed the early access shit
>Popularized lootboxes in the west
>Every "feature" on the store is just social facebook meme shit
>You don't even own the games you buy, devs can whenever they want remove the games from your account (see X-note)
>Forcing spyware on your PC
>CCP shilling
>When Steam became popular PC gaming pretty much died over night
geee I do wonder
It killed pc gaming.