>and for nothing else.
His performance in Peace Walker was abject dogshit, he forgot how to do a normal voice entirely. For half of the game he sounds like a fucking pirate, it's almost like he was deliberately trying to phone it in.
>Hayter (and only he) was instructed to act poorly on purpose
C'mon. By MGS3 his growl was already becoming bad. On Peace Walker and MGS4 he sounds awful.
I genuinely don't care that you didn't like his performance in Piss Walker. He is still objectively good and is the voice of Snake in everyone's mind.
Go home, David. You're a washed out minor celebrity clinging onto a videogame role. It's pathetic.
>C'mon
I notice you didn't actually give a reason just 'cmon'. Want to try that again champ?
>MGS4
He literally growled his voice to death. On Kojima's instruction. By the end he couldn't do the voice anymore. You're literally proving my point that Kojima is the cause of these awful performances because he's ESL
The idea that Kojima purposedly told David Hayter to act poorly but nobody else is so absurd that it doesn't even deserve a proper response. Why isn't Sutherland acting like a Saturday morning cartoon character then? >he was told by Kojima to growl to death
He wouldn't have had to do that if he could fucking act to begin with. Snake's Japanese VA had no such issue.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The idea that Kojima purposedly told David Hayter to act poorly but nobody else is so absurd
I don't think it is. Kojima obviously has a big ego and very likely doesn't like hayter very much.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The idea that Kojima purposedly told David Hayter to act poorly
You don't know shit:
https://www.ign.com/articles/2005/08/19/gc-2005-hideo-kojima-interview
https://www.metalgearinformer.com/?p=13843
>in b4 listening to hayter himself
He still knows more about how he was directed than you do, nameless shitposter on Ganker
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Hayter is incredibly self-serving and an egomaniac. He also has lots of people who stan him in gaming media. So he uses that. If he gets praised then he gleefully plays up the fact that he "is" Solid Snake, if he gets criticized, oh that was Kojimbo
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Of all the people that have played Snake only Hayter went full Saturday morning cartoon villain and only he was replaced. Neither Sutherland, nor the Japanese VA, nor any of the supporting roles sounded that poorly and none of them were replaced.
Now the most logical conclusion is that David Hayter was not a good actor and was replaced. The fanboy mind might conclude that Kojima directed him to act poorly in order to fire him 10 years later.
Now, bear in mind that all Kojima truly had to do to replace him in MGS3 was to say "I want a different voice for Naked Snake since he's a different person" or he could have replaced him just as easily in MGS4 by simply claiming that he wanted a man with an old-sounding voice. These are the very same reasons why Hayter doesn't voice Big Boss on MGS4 to begin with.
Hayter is not a good voice actor. He is fandub-tier and has zero experience with acting or body scanning. It was only logical to fire him.
>he literally growled his voice to death
No he didn't. >on Kojima's instruction
No. He made the suggestion to make Snake sound old and fucked up. It wasn't Kojima. That's why no other Snake VA did it. It was all Hayter's idea.
It also did fuck all to his voice as he's been VAing since MGS4 just fine but he just can't stop doing the Snake voice for some reason because his ego won't let him get off his high horse.
Kojima wanted to replace him all the way back in MGS3. Notice how he didn't replace Otacon, Campbell or Raiden. Only Hayter. Notice how he didn't replace Snake's Japanese VA. Only Hayter.
Now why would that be? Why would he maintain talented actors and replace a fucking hack that thinks growling at the end of every line is acting? It must be a conspiracy. >friendly reminder that Big Boss is not voiced by Hayter in MGS4 either.
>Kojima wanted to replace him all the way back in MGS3.
Source: your ass. >Notice how he didn't replace Otacon, Campbell or Raiden.
Noticed. Irrelevant. Everything you say is conjecture with no source to back it up.
The source is Dacid Hayter himself whining that he and only he was requested to do another casting in MGS3 and 4 to keep the role. >noticed. Irrelevant
Oh, so it's irrelevant that only a single actor, who just so happens to be the single worst VA in the entire series, was replaced? Fanboyism is one hell of a drug.
>Now why would that be?
Probably because kojimbo heard about hayter talking shit about his scripts. Maybe a little jealousy too since hayter has actually done work in hollywood.
Hayter's work on Hollywood is so irrelevant and bad he makes Kojima look good by comparison.
>Now why would that be?
He wanted hollywood actors because he thinks he's a big hollywood star.
>Kiefer Sutherland >>>>>big Hollywood star >>>>>>>>>>>>but kept Otacon and Miller as-is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>even gave them more prominent roles than Snake's
David Hayter fanboys are fucking stupid lmao.
MGSV cost 5 million dollars more than MGS4. "Kojima was wasting too much money!" Was the PR excuse Konami gave when fans got mad because he was fired. In reality Konami changed CEO during the game's development and decided to pivot into mobile gaming and pachinko machines, even Yu-Gi-Oh! went to shit due to monetization.
The reality is that Konami was not interested in big AAA games anymore. 100 million is not a big investment for big AAA titles, much less when it includes the development of a custom game engine.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>MGSV cost 5 million dollars more than MGS4. >"Kojima was wasting too much money!" Was the PR excuse
You're kind of making the case that it was in fact wasting too much money. >but konami stopped making games!
Because kojima drained them hard while larping as a movie director.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
It was Konami that requested another title after MGS4 which was designed as the franchise's finale. Development costs went up significantly between PS3 and PS4 eras so MGSV costing more was not really a surprise.
As for the game itself, 90 million is not such a ridiculous amount and I'm not sure Kiefer was so expensive in comparison to Hayter who, by the way, was demanding considerably higher pay rates.
>Kiefer Sutherland >>>>>big Hollywood star
Yes you fucking idiot, he just got done with one of his biggest roles ever when MGSV started doing casting calls.
I wish people would stop pretending they're sentient humans and not contrarian flesh automatons on Ganker and start making their posts accordingly so I could filter subhumans like you.
Anon, 24 ended ages ago, and while during the first seasons it was considered a good TV show the last seasons were a big flop and once to was cancelled Kiefer only did supporting roles and voice over works until the mid-2010s 24 special which was basically fanservice for old fans.
After MGSV he went back to supporting roles and now does country music. By the time MGSV was being done Sutherland was only doing supporting roles on shitty FOX TV series. The idea that he somehow is a big Hollywood star that costs millions of dollars to have on set is preposterous. Of course he's light years ahead of Hayter in both acting ability and career achievements, but that's not hard to do.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
He made $40 million for the last 3 seasons of the show, which reset his market. As a lead in a high profile vidya I am sure he was commanding top of the market salary for Snake. I am sure it was millions of dollars yea.
Putting Kiefer Southerland in MGSV was a waste of money, all he did was grunt. But I am also sick of this guy whining and acting all entitled like he should eternally have this part. Like get some new work, asshole.
Didn't they record something like 6 hours of dialogue with him, and then threw out 90% of it because there wasn't enough time to actually script out the cutscenes that use it?
Kojima's a poser
The things he watches and takes inspiration from are fantastic, but he only draws on the most unremarkable or unimportant aspects of them.
Kiefer was great as Venom Snake and I'm sick of pretending he wasn't.
Didn't they record something like 6 hours of dialogue with him, and then threw out 90% of it because there wasn't enough time to actually script out the cutscenes that use it?
A bunch of it was codec calls, too. Also the missing third act.
He's a one hit wonder who thinks he's God's gift to the earth. The way he LARPs as Snake is cringier than how YongYea LARPs as Kiryu.
He also stopped being good after 4. Seriously what has this guy done outside of Metal Gear?
Hayter as Snake was the best VA in the series.
The problem is Hayter got egotistical over his role and the fact he played Big Boss in MGS3 and the PSP games meant he assumed he'd be irreplaceable even tho you never play Big Boss in MGS5.
He should have just kept his mouth shut and discussed with Kojimbo to secretly voice Big Boss's lines with his IRL voice so that he could at least keep that option open.
This is all that needs to be posted whenever the topic of Hayter is brought up. He's a whiny entitled cunt, and then man was washed up by MGS4.
I hate actors so fucking much. Get a real job if you can't handle a career (that you voluntarily pursued) that's dependent on shifting trends and opportunities.
Mhm, that's why he is being brought back.
We all know he was replaced because of Kojima's idiotic Hollywood celebrity worship, and for nothing else.
>and for nothing else.
His performance in Peace Walker was abject dogshit, he forgot how to do a normal voice entirely. For half of the game he sounds like a fucking pirate, it's almost like he was deliberately trying to phone it in.
I genuinely don't care that you didn't like his performance in Piss Walker. He is still objectively good and is the voice of Snake in everyone's mind.
How do you know this wasn't Kojima directing him to speak that way? He did say, after all, that PW was some of his worst work.
>Hayter (and only he) was instructed to act poorly on purpose
C'mon. By MGS3 his growl was already becoming bad. On Peace Walker and MGS4 he sounds awful.
Go home, David. You're a washed out minor celebrity clinging onto a videogame role. It's pathetic.
>C'mon
I notice you didn't actually give a reason just 'cmon'. Want to try that again champ?
>MGS4
He literally growled his voice to death. On Kojima's instruction. By the end he couldn't do the voice anymore. You're literally proving my point that Kojima is the cause of these awful performances because he's ESL
The idea that Kojima purposedly told David Hayter to act poorly but nobody else is so absurd that it doesn't even deserve a proper response. Why isn't Sutherland acting like a Saturday morning cartoon character then?
>he was told by Kojima to growl to death
He wouldn't have had to do that if he could fucking act to begin with. Snake's Japanese VA had no such issue.
>The idea that Kojima purposedly told David Hayter to act poorly but nobody else is so absurd
I don't think it is. Kojima obviously has a big ego and very likely doesn't like hayter very much.
>The idea that Kojima purposedly told David Hayter to act poorly
You don't know shit:
https://www.ign.com/articles/2005/08/19/gc-2005-hideo-kojima-interview
https://www.metalgearinformer.com/?p=13843
>in b4 listening to hayter himself
He still knows more about how he was directed than you do, nameless shitposter on Ganker
Hayter is incredibly self-serving and an egomaniac. He also has lots of people who stan him in gaming media. So he uses that. If he gets praised then he gleefully plays up the fact that he "is" Solid Snake, if he gets criticized, oh that was Kojimbo
Of all the people that have played Snake only Hayter went full Saturday morning cartoon villain and only he was replaced. Neither Sutherland, nor the Japanese VA, nor any of the supporting roles sounded that poorly and none of them were replaced.
Now the most logical conclusion is that David Hayter was not a good actor and was replaced. The fanboy mind might conclude that Kojima directed him to act poorly in order to fire him 10 years later.
Now, bear in mind that all Kojima truly had to do to replace him in MGS3 was to say "I want a different voice for Naked Snake since he's a different person" or he could have replaced him just as easily in MGS4 by simply claiming that he wanted a man with an old-sounding voice. These are the very same reasons why Hayter doesn't voice Big Boss on MGS4 to begin with.
Hayter is not a good voice actor. He is fandub-tier and has zero experience with acting or body scanning. It was only logical to fire him.
>he literally growled his voice to death
No he didn't.
>on Kojima's instruction
No. He made the suggestion to make Snake sound old and fucked up. It wasn't Kojima. That's why no other Snake VA did it. It was all Hayter's idea.
It also did fuck all to his voice as he's been VAing since MGS4 just fine but he just can't stop doing the Snake voice for some reason because his ego won't let him get off his high horse.
Kojima wanted to replace him all the way back in MGS3. Notice how he didn't replace Otacon, Campbell or Raiden. Only Hayter. Notice how he didn't replace Snake's Japanese VA. Only Hayter.
Now why would that be? Why would he maintain talented actors and replace a fucking hack that thinks growling at the end of every line is acting? It must be a conspiracy.
>friendly reminder that Big Boss is not voiced by Hayter in MGS4 either.
>Kojima wanted to replace him all the way back in MGS3.
Source: your ass.
>Notice how he didn't replace Otacon, Campbell or Raiden.
Noticed. Irrelevant. Everything you say is conjecture with no source to back it up.
The source is Dacid Hayter himself whining that he and only he was requested to do another casting in MGS3 and 4 to keep the role.
>noticed. Irrelevant
Oh, so it's irrelevant that only a single actor, who just so happens to be the single worst VA in the entire series, was replaced? Fanboyism is one hell of a drug.
Yes, you read that right. None of that schizo rambling changes a single thing about what I said. All conjecture and no source to back it up.
>Now why would that be?
Probably because kojimbo heard about hayter talking shit about his scripts. Maybe a little jealousy too since hayter has actually done work in hollywood.
Hayter's work on Hollywood is so irrelevant and bad he makes Kojima look good by comparison.
>Kiefer Sutherland
>>>>>big Hollywood star
>>>>>>>>>>>>but kept Otacon and Miller as-is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>even gave them more prominent roles than Snake's
David Hayter fanboys are fucking stupid lmao.
nta but kiefer was kojima hitting the upper limit of konami's budget. Notice how when he got sony money he just went full hollywood.
MGSV cost 5 million dollars more than MGS4. "Kojima was wasting too much money!" Was the PR excuse Konami gave when fans got mad because he was fired. In reality Konami changed CEO during the game's development and decided to pivot into mobile gaming and pachinko machines, even Yu-Gi-Oh! went to shit due to monetization.
The reality is that Konami was not interested in big AAA games anymore. 100 million is not a big investment for big AAA titles, much less when it includes the development of a custom game engine.
>MGSV cost 5 million dollars more than MGS4.
>"Kojima was wasting too much money!" Was the PR excuse
You're kind of making the case that it was in fact wasting too much money.
>but konami stopped making games!
Because kojima drained them hard while larping as a movie director.
It was Konami that requested another title after MGS4 which was designed as the franchise's finale. Development costs went up significantly between PS3 and PS4 eras so MGSV costing more was not really a surprise.
As for the game itself, 90 million is not such a ridiculous amount and I'm not sure Kiefer was so expensive in comparison to Hayter who, by the way, was demanding considerably higher pay rates.
>Kiefer Sutherland
>>>>>big Hollywood star
Yes you fucking idiot, he just got done with one of his biggest roles ever when MGSV started doing casting calls.
I wish people would stop pretending they're sentient humans and not contrarian flesh automatons on Ganker and start making their posts accordingly so I could filter subhumans like you.
>biggest roles ever
>broadcast television
You weren't alive back then but this is where actors used to go to die
24 was one of those shows that legitimized "serious" TV, although it's nearly forgotten they (they tried to do a black reboot and it failed).
Anon, 24 ended ages ago, and while during the first seasons it was considered a good TV show the last seasons were a big flop and once to was cancelled Kiefer only did supporting roles and voice over works until the mid-2010s 24 special which was basically fanservice for old fans.
After MGSV he went back to supporting roles and now does country music. By the time MGSV was being done Sutherland was only doing supporting roles on shitty FOX TV series. The idea that he somehow is a big Hollywood star that costs millions of dollars to have on set is preposterous. Of course he's light years ahead of Hayter in both acting ability and career achievements, but that's not hard to do.
He made $40 million for the last 3 seasons of the show, which reset his market. As a lead in a high profile vidya I am sure he was commanding top of the market salary for Snake. I am sure it was millions of dollars yea.
>hayter has actually done work in hollywood
That should've made Kojima suck his dick though
>Now why would that be?
He wanted hollywood actors because he thinks he's a big hollywood star.
He was fine in the other ones but distractingly bad in Peace Walker. Playing 3 and PW back to back recently was jarring.
True
Putting Kiefer Southerland in MGSV was a waste of money, all he did was grunt. But I am also sick of this guy whining and acting all entitled like he should eternally have this part. Like get some new work, asshole.
>all he did was grunt
That's Kojima's fault, he deleted many of already recorded lines just cause he got inspired by a movie.
Nothing substantial was deleted. Only generic grunt lines. Venom was always meant to talk less.
Didn't they record something like 6 hours of dialogue with him, and then threw out 90% of it because there wasn't enough time to actually script out the cutscenes that use it?
Kojima wanted a "silent protagonist" like Goose from Drive or Mad Max
Imagine how good MGS would be if Kojima actually had taste in movies.
Kojima's a poser
The things he watches and takes inspiration from are fantastic, but he only draws on the most unremarkable or unimportant aspects of them.
The problem isn't his taste. It's that he has no idea how screen writing works. This is why death stranding is derivative of random Japanese shit.
well that sucks. I was playing through MGSV and just woondering why they paid this guy to grunt.
He's making shit up. Do you really think 6 gorillion lines got cut? Fucking idiot. Don't listen to angry Hayter fanboys.
Kiefer was great as Venom Snake and I'm sick of pretending he wasn't.
A bunch of it was codec calls, too. Also the missing third act.
Blame kojima. Most of the fucking VA work is in the fucking cassette tapes.
He was a great fit since Hayter shat the bed a bit.
Amen to that.
He's good for metal gear cause his voice is cartoonish and fits the silliness of kojima games.
He's a one hit wonder who thinks he's God's gift to the earth. The way he LARPs as Snake is cringier than how YongYea LARPs as Kiryu.
He also stopped being good after 4. Seriously what has this guy done outside of Metal Gear?
Hayter is great and he should be Snake's voice again for the inevitable Ghost Babel remake.
you are just a hayter
Hayter as Snake was the best VA in the series.
The problem is Hayter got egotistical over his role and the fact he played Big Boss in MGS3 and the PSP games meant he assumed he'd be irreplaceable even tho you never play Big Boss in MGS5.
He should have just kept his mouth shut and discussed with Kojimbo to secretly voice Big Boss's lines with his IRL voice so that he could at least keep that option open.
True. He was extra awful in Peace Walker. Almost killed the game for me.
This is all that needs to be posted whenever the topic of Hayter is brought up. He's a whiny entitled cunt, and then man was washed up by MGS4.
I hate actors so fucking much. Get a real job if you can't handle a career (that you voluntarily pursued) that's dependent on shifting trends and opportunities.
they killed him for for the "kitty history" sketch
>killed himself via 2 shots to the back of his head
trump lookin ass
what has he ever done vydia related besides Snake and that guy in Bloodstained
>never good
play mgs1 and say that again.
because of the nostalgia when i think of snake i think of hayter but he's objectively a shit voice actor
He was bad in the Daymare games, Hayter stans. Are you going to blame the voice directors for those games as well?