HGSS

Objectively the peak of Pokémon. It was all downhill from here.

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Level curve. Most Johtomons in Kanto. Bad story. Bad Pokémon distribution. Small region.

    B2W2 was better.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I also like B2W2, but every game has flaws on the small magnitude you listed to try “criticizing” HGSS. They’re valid, but don’t disprove that the game’s good.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Level curve.
      Pokémon game is shit balance, I agree
      >Most Johtomons in Kanto.
      Not even true due to the Safari zone. And even without the Safari zone, 6 isn’t most.
      >Bad story.
      Simple=/=Bad, not everything needs a world ending climax forced into it
      >Bad Pokémon distribution.
      Not really
      >Small region
      It was big enough for your mom

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Okay I like HGSS but you’re defense is just retarded. Stop falseflagging.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Johto's Level Curve issue extremely overblown to the point where half the time people don't even know what the fuck they even mean. I agree that the balance could be much better, but most Pokémon games are terribly balanced, since you could just steamroll everything with an overleveled starter and most trainers in Pokémon are either weak or stupid. In most Pokemon games the Elite 4 and maybe the last gym leader are the only ones who pose any threat at all .
          The Johto story is solid (Rocket was defeated, They tried to rebuilt, You stop them, They try to summon their leader, You stop them, and HGSS add n more stuff with the Kimino girls and other side characters). Its not amazing, and the climax being a phone call to Giovanni is laughable compared to weather titans locked in biblical duel or traveling to the Distortion world, but low stakes=/=bad. If anything its a blessing because Johto's story is simple enough to follow while not getting in the way of you exploring the region. Most the time, whenever Pokemon does anything more complex they royal fuck it up with shit writing or shoving annoying characters you don't care about in your grace (with Gen 8 being be biggest example of them putting flash and spectacle over actually making any goddamn sense) Gen 7 is probably the only high stakes story that is genuinely interesting.
          Also, the "small region" complaint never made any sense to me. How is Johto to small? In GSC it was "Small" due to being on a tiny cartridge, and in HGSS they went out of their way to expand it. Why is Johto the only region that's called small when Gen1 Kanto was just as small, and that didn't even have a post game.

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          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            People call Galar, Alola and BW1 Unova small as well, anon.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >level curve is overblown to the point that people don't know what they mean
            No, people know exactly what is meant by "level curve" when it is used as a name for a group of problems in Johto. The only "confusion" is johto fans intentionally misinterpreting that name to represent only whichever single issue they want to argue against at any given time, then being mad that other ones are also mentioned.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Speaking of which, it always bother me fans seems to flip-flop between whether or not Kanto is Post game just to make their "too small" complaint make sense.
          When they want to say that the main campaign is too short, they say Kanto is postgame, but when they want to say that GSC/HGSS has no postgame, the suddenly decide that Kanto is part of the main campaign. Pick a lane ffs.

          Finally about the about the distribution/Johtomons, I actually agree to an extent. In fact, I think that BW/B2W2 do quite a few things better than HGSS (putting the main focus on the new mons, reusable TMs, and better EXP curve). My issue is when Johto/GSC/HGSS get singled out or when its few issues overblown when most of the problems are due to (tech limitations, common to most Pokemon games, or an issue with Game Freak/TPC refusing to let Gen2 pokemon and characters get the spotlight that every other gen gets) the latter of which as only gotten worse over time.

          People call Galar, Alola and BW1 Unova small as well, anon.

          >People call Galar, Alola and BW1 Unova small as well, anon.
          Galar actually is pathetically small, but Alola and Unova? Maybe Alola might seem small due to the being unable to surf between islands making each single island seem closed off, but doesn't Unova have a lot of side areas.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm just saying what other people said about Unova prior to that massive expansion it got in B2W2.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The level curve meme is overplayed, for most of the game you'll only be 3-5 levels over the gym leaders which is normal for a casual Pokémon playthrough, unless you're only using 1-2 Pokémon which means you'd be overlevelled anyway. A bigger problem is the size of Johto and the story, in HGSS it feels kinda small/short/underwhelming compared to DPP and RSE, but the story part is my opinion and I still like it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        larvitar can be caught in the safari zone pre-postgame. sneasel, houndour, porygon 2 and blissey are the only johto mons available only postgame

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Interestingly you can trade for sneasel, houndour, porygon, and chansey from Platinum. Plat and HGSS are best played together.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      OP btfo

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Speaking truth, anyone who disagrees is a stupid zoomer who grew up withi gens 5-8.

      >Level curve
      Problem in every single game in the franchise, but more because every game in the franchise is piss easy anyway.
      >Most Johtomons in Kanto
      Factually untrue.
      >Bad story.
      Every pokemon game ever, and better than the dumpster fire of gen 5.
      >Bad Pokémon distribution
      Again, better than gen 5 where you spend the entire game using shitty numons that are just cheap bootlegs of kanto mons
      >Small region.
      Quality over quantity, though it also has quantity having an entire second region to explore.
      >B2W2 was better.
      Gen 5 was a steaming dumpster fire all around, and B2W2 were the worst of them because of the constant baby-mode tutorials you can't skip and the forced cutscene garbage every 5 seconds.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      b2w2 has the worst pacing in the series, wtf. it makes johto look good.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Bad pokemon distribution
      Uh oh, looks like someone lost their pokewalker...

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the fact that the pokewalker never gets brought up makes me convinced that there are no actual posters on this site, just mindless script bots regurgitating information from archives and bulbapedia

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Level curve
      also shit in BW2
      >Most Johtomons in Kanto
      as opposed to BW2 which doesn't even have ANY new pokemon
      >Bad story
      also shit in BW2
      >Bad Pokémon distribution.
      not true
      >Small region
      also small in BW2

      wow it's fucking nothing

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >also shit in BW2
        Wrong. The level curve of gen 5 is perfect, but BW is better than BW2
        >as opposed to BW2 which doesn't even have ANY new pokemon
        You're confusing HGpoopee with BW2. BW2 had White Kyurem, Black Kyurem and the new Keldeo form. HGSS had: nothing.
        >also shit in BW2
        BW2 has one of the best plots, a basic one but that's still better than NO plot at all. It's also the only game with Legends that is a continuation to a story already told, instead of a remake that doesn't remake the bland ass story and poor lore of the original.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Wrong. The level curve of gen 5 is perfect
          lol
          lmao

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >it's supposed to be built around me playing like a fucking retard

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >the most obviously efficient and easy way of playing the game to the point that even children do it is playing like a retard
              lol
              lmao

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. Games are for fun, not speedruns and to-do lists. Stop playing like a fucking retard.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Games are for fun,
                exactly, so why would I play slower and more tediously for no reason?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                While it's slower to actually play instead of sweep, it isn't tedious to have fun instead of sperging, and therefore isn't for no reason. the reason is actually having fun

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Not breeding good Pokemons like Gible in DP/PT and trading it into HGSS to use as a starter

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >HGSS DIDN'T FIX ANYT-ACK

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        good post anon
        can you remind me how you evolve murkrow and misdreavus though
        or what level slugma evolves at
        or why you would use it over typhlosion
        or why you would steelix over a better steel type like magneton

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >HGSS DIDN'T FIX JOHTOMONS IN KANTO
          >actually, it did, and here is proof
          >NO IT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE UM BECAUSE REASONS

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >can you remind me how you evolve murkrow and misdreavus though
          You get the stones from the pokeathlon in the postgame, which is fair since the evos are Sinnoh mons and you get the national dex by then.
          >or what level slugma evolves at
          I don't see why that matters.
          >or why you would use it over typhlosion
          >or why you would steelix over a better steel type like magneton
          I don't see why these matter either. You were complaining about the availability of Johtomons, now you're moving the goalpost to viability? Not a good look.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >can you remind me how you evolve murkrow and misdreavus though
          it's a gen 2 remake, being able to access cross gen-evos pre-E4 is really not essential, nice goalpost moving tho
          >or what level slugma evolves at or why you would use it over typhlosion
          Using shitmons is fun since the games are piss easy anyway
          >or why you would steelix over a better steel type like magneton
          because it's a big ass snake that looks cool and also the two are completely different types of pokemon, one is an electric special attacker the other is a physical ground type

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Level curve?
      What is this meme? It's a Pokemon game; you sweep all the story mode trainers anyway. If you ever grind for Pokemon story fights, you're a loser.

      >Most Johto in Kanto
      Anon fails maths again: 6 is not "most" of 100. Also, DP are way worse for this than even GS.

      >Bad story?
      So...A Pokemon game? Could be worse; could be gen 8.

      >Bad Pokemon
      Subjective, like how I personally love gen 2 mons.

      >Small region.
      Same as any other region and these games have 2 regions to explore.
      >B-BUT 2 REGIONS IS ACTUALLY BAD BECAUSE [HEADCANNON AUTSIM] SO YOU LOSE

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Level curve
      Reddit complaint/term made popular by Youtubers that wasn't used even once before 2015.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >wasn't even used once before 2015
        What is the point of making insane claims like this when the archive is a thing? You don't even have to look outside of Ganker to see it.
        More specifically, read through this thread for a fun look at the history of this argument:

        [...]

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yea, but the games stayed up there for a little bit. Then, XY happened.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Say what you say about DP and BW, but 2005 to 2012 was Pokemon's best era.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >these objectively shittier games was pokemon's best era
      nah

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You do realise that I meant they were the outliers between a quartet of amazing games, right?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You do realise that I meant none of them are amazing, right?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You do realize that’s an objectively wrong statement, right?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              holy shit bros I love playing red and blue but with shittier map design and constant pointless handholding

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                FRLG wasn't released in 2005, dingus

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >shittier map design

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That flop is nothing

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I enjoyed Black, but storyshit creep is bad, as is region linearity. My favorite is firered, but would be electricyellow if it existed. Gen 3-5 regardless, though 1 had the best aesthetics.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >objectively
    shut the fuck up, you and your opinion are automatically worthless.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As a child this was probably the worst experience I've had with pokemon, it took so much time to beat any gym leader and lance. Nothing really rewarding or interesting in the game in spite of the absurd level curve other than retarded a retarded minigame. No story at all and characters that are forgettable the second after (to this day I still don't remember most of their names or any of the evil team's names or designs).

    ShitGHpee was trash

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Either falseflag or mentally retarded.

      I grew up with Diamond, SoulSilver and Black and SoulSilver was EASILY my favourite of the bunch. In fact, B2W2 made me quit Pokémon temporarily as soon as I got to Castelia City and realised it's just a glorified third version. Even as a kid I could tell B2W2 was a scam.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I was 6 years old when RB hit the states, I lived through all of pokemania and played every gen up to 4 when it came out. As someone who grew up with the original GSC, HGSS are easily the best games in the franchise, and the highest quality remakes we ever got or will get.

      Gen 5 was so bad it literally made me quit the franchise until around 2018 when I finally picked up X and Y and found out that they were actually better games than BW/BW2. I legitimately felt nostalgia, I felt like I did when I played Blue for the first time when I played Y, it felt like everything gen 1 wanted to be.

      I can't even replay BW/BW2 anymore, there's so many shitty forced cutscenes and godawful "plot" and "characters" that I can't bear it, same reason I haven't finished Gen 7 yet, odd-numbered gens suck dick, even numbered gens are kino.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        huh, I stopped after B/W too except I liked them
        I figured gen 6 on was even more cazul and storyshit

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Platinum > B2W2 > BW > HGSS > Shit > DP
    Objectively the most overrated games in the franchise. Stay delusional Johchud

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >This meme image again.

      Sigh, here we go again: "N-no bro! Platinum is really tough, ooh watch out!"
      >Gets swept like all the rest.

      Comparing difficulty in Pokemon games is objectively retarded because you're trying to quantify when both games are press A and win.

      Side note, if you grind in Pokemon; you're retarded.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >worst level curve
    >worst e4 levels
    >worst wild Pokemon levels
    >worst dex
    >worst gimmicks
    >worst plot
    rumao

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its slow and not in a good way.

    Sinnoh at least has VS Seeker to mitigate grinding.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >He has to grind for the story of a Pokemon game.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just trade a lucky egg from Platinum. You can get one off a chansey by using a pokemon with compound eyes like yanma.

      >He has to grind for the story of a Pokemon game.

      Pokedex completion and trying out new mons, fag.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        "How can I possibly grind in Shitnnoh?"
        >What is elite 4 rematches?
        >What is gym leader rematches?
        >What is Daycare?
        >What is rematches with Red?

        If it's for dex completion, please explain to me why these methods are not valid?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A lot of that is postgame, sometimes you just want to raise stuff before that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why? You have the whole 2nd region to use them in.

            It's actually better than "Aw man, 8 badges in and I can catch Bagon for...the elite 4".

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes I guess, people often forget the game doesn't end at the Johto portion, still wish that side of the game gave more exp. Think it's more of a GSC thing anyway, I find that Goldeen and Seaking are pretty generous with exp in HGSS.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What grinding?

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What makes it the peak?
    Emerald, Platinum and BW/BW2 are all very good as well so what makes HGSS better?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >what makes HGSS better?
      No world ending plot
      No gods or aliens
      Just cruise

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