>Ho-oh is shown to have created the legendary dogs in multiple pieces of media

>Ho-oh is shown to have created the legendary dogs in multiple pieces of media
>GF decides 30 years later that actually there was a dinosaur ancestor to Suicune
Bravo Masuda

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Orrrr the Paradoxes are imaginary Pokémon and not actually past/future Pokémon, so Suicune doesn't actually descend from a raptor b***h.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Reminder that imaginationbros keep on winning and timetravelcucks are moronic

      keep pretending imaginationschizos, it's all you're good at

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        So what happens when the leak proves correct and Imagination IS the answer? Are you just going to quietly disappear and pretend you never had a horse in this race to begin with? Are you just going to go the 'Hurr durr, I was only pretending to be moronic!' route? Or will you just have a nice day? If it's the latter, would you be so kind as to livestream it for all of us?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yes you idiot. These are the exact same people that insisted there were no paradox pokemon because they hadn’t been shown off yet. They will frick off until the next thing to be disingenuously in denial about

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >the leaks prove imagination!
            >just like megas returning in the dlc!
            >we're going back to kalos!
            this is you

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, because everything in the past just so happened to be a fricking dinosaur and everything in the future is an alternatively colored robot variant of the original. That’s how that works.
        The lack of ecological diversity is precisely why imagination is the answer,
        That, and the AI clearly being imagined up into existence because the technology to produce it naturally by humans literally does not exist in the game.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You're forgetting that the schizo's whole theory is based solely on the Scarlet Paradoxes, and ignores the Violet ones - which blow a huge hole in his theory if he ever acknowledges them. Remember - his whole solution for why the Paradox Pokemon that Heath saw during his visit suddenly vanishing for the following expeditions is that they all died during the intervening years, leaving nothing behind. That might work for the Scarlet Paradoxes (which is stretching it), but that doesn't work with the Violet Paradoxes, who are made of metal and would leave some very visible remains that would take hundreds if not thousands of years to degrade. When I brought this up last time, his answer is that 'Copperajah could have trampled the metal to pieces! Some Pokemon eat metal! None of it could have possibly survived all those years!"
          The problem with that being: Copperajah don't appear in Area Zero (at least not in Violet, where that excuse would count. I haven't played Scarlet, but that's irrelevant to the argument). There are no Pokemon living in Area Zero that eat metal. And lastly, metal degrades too slowly to disappear completely in such a short amount of time, even if left fully submerged - hell, if the H.L. Hunley and RMS Titanic are still around today despite the conditions of the fully aquatic environments they were found in, or the neolithic copper arrow heads and axe owned by Ötzi the Ice Man survived all this time despite being exposed to constant freezing, melting, and submerging for centuries, then how on earth would the iron that the Violet Paradoxes made from have vanished without so much as a trace? And that's just ONE issue the Violet 'mons punch in his theory.
          Point is, the dude's a genuine moron, and there's no reasoning with him - just ignore him until the DLC drops and proves the Imagination theory is correct (like Khu mentioned in the same set of leaks that all proved true).

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            That's timetroony for you. His moronation know no bound. Watch as he try to make samegayging posts or make another thread to defend his moronation

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            bruh i'm not reading all that go for a walk

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              He's basically saying that if paradox pokemon appeared 200 years ago in small quantities they should be immortal.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No, you fricking moron - where the hell did you get that idea from? What was being said is that if the metal Violet Paradox Pokemon were in the crater, and the reason they weren't seen by the later expeditions is because they died the way you time travel autists claim, the later expeditions would have still found bits of them, because metal is a frickton more durable than bones. No metal remains mentioned at all in Violet = No time displaced Pokemon.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >metal Violet Paradox Pokemon
                They aren't metal and you claimed they couldn't die in this thread.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Go frick yourself I'm moving goalposts >:(

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                At what point did I claim they couldn't die?
                >They aren't metal
                What fricking headcsnon is this, now?
                IRON Thorns. IRON Hands. IRON Bundle. IRON Leaves. IRON Serpent. And so on. They aren't the Steel type, but they are most certainly made of metal, or at least have metal components on them.
                Seriously, dude, how high are you right now? Literally nothing you just said was correct in any way.
                Also

                Go frick yourself I'm moving goalposts >:(

                Stop samegayging.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that imaginationbros keep on winning and timetravelcucks are moronic

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Gamefreak is moronic. This is the same company that insists that pokemon replace animals and pokemon shrink.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    > Ho-ho revived three deceased pokémon
    > imbeciles everywhere: HO-OH CREATED THOSE POKEMON WHO NEVER EXISTED BEFORE!!!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Three unknown pokemon died in the tower
      >The beasts come out of the tower afterwards
      Hmm I wonder this is supposed to mean.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >people die in building collapse
        >the rescuers are actually those people because they came out of the same building
        kek

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Ho-oh invented firefighters from the charred corpses.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          What the frick are you talking about?
          Ho-Oh is explicitly said to have revived them.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, but NOTHING says they weren't just a Suicune, and Entei, and a Raikou that just died in a fire. Entei's description even says it was born in a volcano, which makes no fricking sense if you believe it was born when Ho-oh willed it to live. Plus, the games are never shy about telling you if a pokemon is dead version of something or if it's something else; Diancie is explicitly said to be a type of Carbink

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Bro, never go full moronic

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Ho oh couldve just revived some shitmons like litleo into legendaries

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Or they could have just been the beasts which makes far more sense.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    scat and vomit really are the worst games in the series

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      sword and shit
      ftfy

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        not really
        scat vomit is just swsh copy and paste but now they cut even more content like set mode

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      not really
      scat vomit is just swsh copy and paste but now they cut even more content like set mode

      >garbage and shit
      ftfyf

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Those aren’t contradictions.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >morons still think legendaries are wholly unique and not just a game mechanic
    Yeah, and there's only two Snorlax ever.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >timetroony think the three legendary beasts die in the tower and Ho-oh only resurrected them, oh and people didn’t named the three legendary Pokémon and only do so after Ho-oh revived them
      The moronation of timetroony know now bound.

      And now you choose to not believe in what the game said timetroony?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        hey imaginationgay the games never say only one copy of every legendary exists

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Ho-oh created the first generation of them.
      There's no way that Entei, Raikou, and Suicune would be nameless before hand, or that they would have died in a fire as they did.
      They were all too powerful and as wandering pokemon would have been well known.

      From the game script
      >In the distant past... This tower burned in a fire. Three nameless POKEMON perished in it. A rainbow-colored POKEMON descended from the sky and resurrected them... It's a legend that has been passed down by ECRUTEAK GYM LEADERS
      ....
      >When the BRASS TOWER burned down, three nameless POKEMON were said to have perished. It was tragic. However... A rainbow-colored POKEMON... In other words... HO-OH descended from the sky and gave new life to the three POKEMON. They are...SUICUNE, ENTEI and RAIKOU.
      >That is what they say.
      Ho-oh revived 3 dead normalgays and turned them into legendary tier.
      Otherwise you have to make the argument that a monster like Suicune was both unknown somehow, and super weak for some reason.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Ho-oh created the first generation of them.
        Proof?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          NTA, but they're never seen or heard of beforehand. They're constantly referred to in-game as being ordinary, 'nameless' Pokemon prior to their revival, and their new forms are explicitly stated to have been influenced by the tower event - meaning they weren't called 'Raikou, Suicune and Entei' before their revival and they didn't look the way they do now. If there ARE other versions of them running around now, then they're descended from the original three - but Ho-Oh is indeed explicitly the one who created the originals.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >NTA, but they're never seen or heard of beforehand.
            proof?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >nameless

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >generations
    >being canon
    stop intentional moronation

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing about generation seems to conflict with game canon.
      And even if it wasn't canon, TPC still made the decision to show Ho-prostitute creating the beasts.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Until now, so it isn’t canon.
        When did they show Ho-oh CREATING them instead of REDIRECTING them?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          resurrecting*, apologies

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Nothing about generation seems to conflict with game canon
        Except Archie being eaten by Kyogre.
        And Ho-oh turning random pokemon into the beasts.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Only one of these things goes against the game's story.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    “I’m illiterate and don’t know what a paradox is.” - OP

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Are you surprised
    Gamefreak doesnt care anymore, why should i

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >>Ho-oh is shown to have created the legendary dogs in multiple pieces of media
    Except it isn't. Generations is the only piece of media and it was made with no input from GF like most tertiary media.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      moron Generation was made as an expansion to the games.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Generation was produced by TPC themselves and are effectively canon.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The games literally discuss this as the primary possibility though.
      Pretty sure it's the ONLY origin story they actually bring up in the games.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >The games literally discuss this as the primary possibility though.
        No they don't. There's nothing in the game saying that they weren't the beasts before they died, just that they were nameless.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The legendary dogs already existed as a species prior to the Ho-oh event. Ho-oh just created a few more of them.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >the headcanon
      Sup timetroony

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >"Headcanon"
        >A Pokémon that races across the land. It is said that one is born every time a new volcano appears.

        Read the Pokedex homosexual

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >he believes the pokedex
          Lmao, why are you pretending to be moronic timetroony? And when will you make another thread to defend your moronation

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >The legendary dogs already existed as a species

      but they were different from how we see them now while walking wake is basically "what if suicune was an ancient dinosaur" it's the flintstones car over again

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >but they were different from how we see them now
        [citation needed]

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          But the moron (you) saying they already existed is good to go?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            What reason is there to assume the legendary beasts have not always existed?
            You're the one claiming something other than the status quo, burden of proof is upon you. That's fine if you're too stupid to understand it, but I'm not going to argue it.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              "It is said" is not a source.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                So what you're saying is that Ho-oh never revived the beasts at all

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No, what I'm saying is what I said. If you want to be a homosexual and argue against things you make up go ahead.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            how many pills did you skip today? You are an incoherent, incomprehensible mess. Stop barking nosense.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Woof, bark bark, arf.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Last gen introduced regional variants to Legendaries, and X and Y introduced 2 historical artifacts that exclusively interact with a man-made Pokémon that wouldn't be born for thousands of years after their creation. GF don't give a shit about lore.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >2 historical artifacts that exclusively interact with a man-made Pokémon

      How do you know the scientists that created Mewtwo didn't also create its mega stones at the same time? If it's going to be the ultimate battle machine, they would probably also want to give it mega evolution capabilities.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >How do you know the scientists that created Mewtwo didn't also create its mega stones at the same time?
        Scientists in Kanto had the foresight to incorporate a barely understood phenomenon from Kalos?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Barely understood

          Mew is barely understood yet they could clone it and upgrade it for battle. There's lots of megas and mega stones to analyse so it doesnt seem unreasonable that they could implement the same phenomenon.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >How do you know the scientists that created Mewtwo didn't also create its mega stones at the same time?
        That's impossible given Sycamore directly states in-game that Mega Evolution had only been observed in Kalos at the time of XY. Disregarding how this makes literally no sense with ORAS existing, we know from that deleted Tweet from the story scenario writer that XY takes place years after the event of RBY--if Mega Mewtwo had existed before then, then Sycamore's account would be false.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Disregarding how this makes literally no sense with ORAS existing
          >Throws out anything that doesnt fit their moronic narrative

          Holy kek

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Throws out anything that doesnt fit their moronic narrative
            I "threw it out" because it's an outright retcon that shouldn't be considered hen talking about the context in which Mewtwo Mega Stones were revealed, which is in XY. Rayquaza can't have been one of the first Mega evolutions and also have gone entirely unnoticed by someone who's entire fricking job is to study Megas.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >I "threw it out" because it's an outright retcon that shouldn't be considered hen talking about the context in which Mewtwo Mega Stones were revealed, which is in XY. Rayquaza can't have been one of the first Mega evolutions and also have gone entirely unnoticed by someone who's entire fricking job is to study Megas.

              Its called a retcon and you need to accept that - megas existing for thousands of years in and outside of Kalos overrides Sycamore's incompetent studies and you need to accept that

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Mega Evolution had only been observed in Kalos at the time of XY

          Sycamore's accounts of it only being observed in Kalos was because at the time of XY's introduction megas were only just introduced. Then ORAS came along and changed everything with megas now existing in Hoenn too (with them having megas not even seen in Kalos) and being known for thousands of years due to mega ray. Then LGPE comes along and megas exist in Kanto too (in which the games exist take place at the same time as RBY due to Team Rocket's presence) and mewtwo's mega stones are there.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Sycamore directly states in-game that Mega Evolution had only been observed in Kalos at the time of XY
          Not exactly. What he says is
          >And why are there examples of Mega Evolution only in the Kalos region?
          Meaning that certain mega evolutions were only witnessed in Kalos, not that it was exclusive.
          Strange wording and you don't see any Kalos exclusive megas but yeah.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Suddenly, 150 years before the events of the games, this tower burned down in a mysterious fire, ignited by a bolt of lightning and put out by a sudden downpour. This fire caused three nameless Pokémon to perish.
    >However, this decision led to the empire declining after 1,000 years. 800 years later, Heath and the Area Zero Expedition would be the first to reach Area Zero's bottom. Here, Heath proceeds to take many notes on the area, Herba Mystica, the various wild Pokémon and first encounter with the mysterious Paradox Pokémon.
    >1000-800 = 200
    >Paradox Suicune was drawn 50 years before Ho-Oh created the Johto trio
    huh....really makes you think...

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Haha there's only one trio of beasts! They can only be caught in gen tw-
    >Trackless Forest
    >Ultra Space Wilds
    >Max Lairs
    >Ramanas Park
    NOOOOOOOOOOO THOSE DON'T COUNT NO NO NO NO MY STRAW MAN

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Trackless Forest
      Hoopa portal to other dimension
      >Ultra Space Wilds
      Literally another dimension
      >Max Lairs
      Eternatus can open portal to dimension like shown in the fight against it.
      >Ramanas Park
      Non-canon.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        ok and what about the ones that roam kanto in frlg

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          FRLG, HGSS, BDSP, and ORAS aren't canon. They're literally just fanservice/cashgrab games, and introduce mechanics and Pokemon that weren't a part of the original games they're based off of.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Eternatus can open portal to dimension like shown in the fight against it.
        almost true in the fight the space-time is distorted but it only shows only galar places not to other dimensions

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    ho-oh created the 3 beasts and then they had LOTS of babies.

    the raptor is imaginary but there are definetly more than one suicune entei and raikou

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you think they are called PARADOX Pokémon, moron?
    >paradox
    >/ˈparədɒks/
    >noun
    >a seemingly absurd or contradictory statement or proposition which when investigated may prove to be well founded or true.
    Educate yourself, dumbass. The game fully acknowledges that they don't make much sense.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    raptor suicune is almost as imaginary as smogon

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    hoho just resurected those dumbasses into A trio of dogs, those dogs already existed.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That pic doesn't look like Entei to me

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >a paradox pokemon has a paradoxical existence

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    we have been able to collect multiple of those dogs for decade, no other game has a lore saying that shit.

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Gold and silver are in the “megas dont exist” universe.

    Meanwhile, SV is in the “megas do exist” universe.

    Its entirely possible that this is the explanation, the different universes have different origins for these pokemon, allowing suicune to have an ancestor.

    This could also explain how a time machine is a world shattering concept in this universe while the “megas dont exist” universe had a time machine sitting in every pokemon center so you could trade pokemon back in time to red/blue.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Or that Ho-oh didn't make them.
      You know, because nothing in game says that.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The Wise Trio who guard the Tin Tower in Crystal along with several other npcs in Ecruteak explicitly say Ho-Oh revived the three nameless beasts into their current Legendary forms, and that prior to their transformation they were just three 'nameless' Pokemon. When Ho-Oh remade them, they each took up an element that represented the event that led to their demise - Raikou became the Electric-type and got the thunder cloud on its back to represent the lightning from the storm that started the fire, Entei got a mini volcano on its back and became the Fire-type to represent the raging inferno that burned down the Brass Tower and killed them, and Suicune got the Aurora mane and became the Water-type to represent the purifying rains that put out the fire.

        Hey guys I just finished time traveling to tell you all its imagination.

        Was this before or after your trip to Atlantis?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >The Wise Trio who guard the Tin Tower in Crystal along with several other NPCs in Ecruteak explicitly say Ho-Oh revived the three nameless beasts into their current Legendary forms,
          They don't say that at all.
          The part about giving them new forms is complete headcanon that became popular over the years.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Simple
    Ho-oh based his reincarnations on the 3 Paradox Beasts, maybe they saved his ass as a baby or something

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Or the legendary beasts already existed and Ho-oh either reincarnated a set of dead beasts or turned existing Pokemon into a set of beasts. There's nothing saying that Ho-oh literally created Entei, Suicune, and Raikou.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Simple
        Ho-oh based his reincarnations on the 3 Paradox Beasts, maybe they saved his ass as a baby or something

        Or it's just a convergent species. I feel like that's pretty clearly what's going on. Wake doesn't look anything like suicune outside of colors and general head shape without the crest, and even then, suicune's is crystalline while wakes is more of a jade like solid stone.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          a convergent species from the dinosaur era that imitates a 150 years old creature?

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >dude legends are LE REAL
    reminder that people thought newts were born from burning wet wood

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    ho oh is a lying b***h and he just called his dog friends to prank people while they all ate the delicious hot dog feast (because they are gay, that's why they "can't" make eggs)

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    damn it's almost like a paradox

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This homie doesn't know what a paradox is

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        this homie doesn't know what a retcon is

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >retconning something that was never canon
          I bet you think n the potara were retconned too.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Anon they are literally called Paradox Pokémon.

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Clearly Ho-oh, which like most legendaries is immortal and has been around pretty much forever, resurrected three dinosaur pokemon millions of years ago, turning them into that time period's equivalent of the legendary beast trio.

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    That's because Walking Wake and Iron Leaves don't actually exist. They're not mentioned anywhere in the game and don't have dex entries. They're just non-canon raid bosses that were probably cut late into development because they didn't fit into the story of SV/weren't finished, then re-added later to tide people over until the DLC was finished.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Same with Charizard.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      maybe they had an original role in an original story for SV

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That's because Walking Wake and Iron Leaves don't actually exist. They're not mentioned anywhere in the game and don't have dex entries. They're just non-canon raid bosses that were probably cut late into development because they didn't fit into the story of SV/weren't finished, then re-added later to tide people over until the DLC was finished.

        if they were originally intended for SV that would explain why suicune is a dinosaur because of her obsession she redesigned the beast fusion into a velociraptor for personal taste

        sada only likes dinosaur-like paradoxes all of them expect scream tail looks like dinosaurs

        sada: i want this suicune
        terapagos: ok
        sada: but make it a velociraptor!
        terapagos: ....ok

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The professor is dead.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            she asked before dying

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >[headcanon]
              gay

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >meaningless buzzword
                lmao

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                did the professor imagine it being a buzzword too?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                probably

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >all of them expect scream tail looks like dinosaurs
          And flutter
          And shocks
          Hell Tusk is a mammoth.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >And flutter
            literally a ghost pterosaur
            >And shocks
            literally a dinosaur-magneton with a tail
            >Hell Tusk is a mammoth
            what mammoth has a reptilian tail and and lizard eyes?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah they resemble any of those things. Especially shocks which has no reptilian features whatsoever. Unless you're going to claim that iron shaving hair, face markings and a ponytail are reptilian features.
              Flutter doesn't really have anything either, just spikes.
              >mammoth has a reptilian tail and and lizard eyes?
              What reptile has fur and tusks.
              Even the blue part is a kind of fur and mud is matted into it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >What reptile has fur and tusks
                dinosaurs have feathers and both hair and feathers are both made of keratin

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Especially shocks which has no reptilian features whatsoever.
                expect the reptilian tail?
                >ponytail
                a ponytail on the butt or directly very low to the head?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >a ponytail on the butt
                Anon, where do you think it starts?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Anon, where do you think it starts?
                clearly not in the head like a "ponytail" but lower like a beast tail

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >clearly not in the head
                That's a very unfortunate image for you if you want to stick with that

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Dude

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >clearly not in the head
                That's a very unfortunate image for you if you want to stick with that

                i found a better one

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That's even worse.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                it doesn't start from the head though

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Hell Tusk is a mammoth.
            >mammoth
            >in the Paleozoic

            mamoswine is more like a mammoth than great tusk does

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >in the Paleozoic
              Bold of you to assume that they all come from the same era.
              Also no, no it doesn't. Mamoswine has tusks and that's it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Bold of you to assume that they all come from the same era.
                all of them have an ability called "Protosynthesis" which is activated under harsh sunlight just like in the paleozoic I really don't think a pokemon with such an ability existed in the ice age besides they are all huge referring to the megafauna of prehistory

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >all of them have an ability called "Protosynthesis" which is activated under harsh sunlight just like in the paleozoic
                You are aware that pokemon abilities aren't real, right?
                >in the ice age
                Oh god, all of your knowledge of mammoths and mastodons come from Ice Age the movie.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >You are aware that pokemon abilities aren't real, right?
                yes they are schizo
                >no arguments just teasing
                glad we had a civil discussion

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >yes they are schizo
                No, no they aren't. That's why "just like in the paleozoic" a nonsense statement.
                >glad we had a civil discussion
                Anon, if you lack the knowledge then there's no point talking.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Anon, if you lack the knowledge then there's no point talking.
                there's no point talking with you it's a tail

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            they are all dinosaurs trust me.
            > Great Tusk has stego back and tail
            > Brute Bonnet is an actual mushroom dinosaur
            > Flutter Mane is a ghost of a pterosaur
            > Sandy Shocks has dino like features like magnet arms, magnet legs, and magnet tail
            > Scream Tail has dinosaur tail as hair
            > Slither Wing also looks like a stegosaurus
            > Roaring Moon is a winged dinosaur

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >centro

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why does nobody understand what a fricking Paradox is?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Imaginationgays are moronic that's why.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >he says, outing himself as a drooling mongoloid

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Wow, the paradox Pokemon makes no sense

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Possibility 1: Imagination theory is correct
    Possibility 2: The creature Ho-oh revived took on traits of Walking Wake, as did Raikou and entei for their respective past forms
    Possibility 3: Gamefreak can't remember their own lore and don't care anyway (most plausible theory)

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Hey guys I just finished time traveling to tell you all its imagination.

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Hey guys I just finished imagining to tell you all it's time travel

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >2023
    >we are forgotten

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Sui a cute.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Anon-kun, itayo…

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why is it that morons insist on taking the legends and myths of the Pokémon universe and considering them to be canon history? They are local superstitions, folklore and mythology, not a historical record of the world.

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Walking Wake is the ancestor of the pokemon that died in the tower, and the resurrection of the mystery pokemon as Suicune unlocked some of its primal features.

  38. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know why autists are pretending like johto is the only trio that exists. TPC had no qualms with having a set of shiny beasts in the Zoroark movie. Whether you want to argue if the movie is canon or not, they already treat them like they're not unique.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's because it's a huge blow to the imagination theory and it's gotten to the point where they're trying to claim that the Galarian birds aren't actually variants of the birds but entirely different pokemon.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The Galarian birds explicitly are separate pokemon named after the Kanto ones.
        How is that even debatable.
        >When its feathers rub together, they produce a crackling sound like the zapping of electricity. That’s why this Pokémon is called Zapdos.
        Galarian Zapdos is just named after producing a similar crackling electric sound as the actual Zapdos. Otherwise its another powerful and rare bird pokemon.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >The Galarian birds explicitly are separate pokemon named after the Kanto ones.
          Case in point. This is never stated in game. There's nothing in game period that so much as hints at that being the case.

          >Galarian Zapdos is just named after producing a similar crackling electric sound as the actual Zapdos
          And then you read the dex entry for zapdos in SS and see that it's not the sound but the behavior.
          >Zapdos is a legendary bird Pokémon. It's said that when Zapdos rubs its feathers together, lightning will fall immediately after.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Each is named after doing something in effect similar to the Kanto birds. Not in being an actual variation.
            G-Zapdos's feathers sound like lightning. G-Moltres's dark aura looks like fire. G-Articuno makes stuff freeze in place with its psychic power.
            They're named after the Kanto birds for having similar traits while in action. Not out of actually being the same monsters.

            Yes, actual Zapdos rubs its feathers together and creates thunderstorms.
            Galarian Zapdos rubs its feathers together incidentally when running around and makes a rough crackling that sounds similar as it does entirely different stuff.
            One is named for resembling the other, not for being the same monster adapted differently to a new environment.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Case in point. This is never stated in game. There's nothing in game period that so much as hints at that being the case.
            It IS stated in-game, in the Pokedex entries. It's not our fault your reading comprehension is shit and you can't understand what you're being told. Allow me to translate in a way your sub-50 point IQ can handle:
            >When its feathers rub together, they produce a crackling sound like the zapping of electricity. That's why this Pokémon is called Zapdos.
            translation: "Hey, this bird sounds like electricity! Maybe it's that Zapdos bird I heard stories about - you know, that electric one from Kanto?"
            >The sinister aura that blazes like molten fire around this Pokémon is what inspired the name Moltres.
            Translation: "Oooh, this thing looks like it's all molten and covered in fire! Must be that fire bird from those stories - what was its name again? Oh, right - Moltres! This must be what they were talking about!"
            >Known as Articuno, this Pokémon fires beams that can immobilize opponents as if they had been frozen solid.
            Tranaslation: "Wow, this bird 'freezes' people with its eye beams! That legendary bird Articuno is said to be able to freeze people in those old stories, too - so this must be the same thing!"
            It's pretty damn clear from the wording that the people of Galar had never encountered the original rare birds and just drew a connection to the stories they'd heard when they encountered the new, actually-completely-unrelated trio in their own backyard.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >It IS stated in-game, in the Pokedex entries.
              No, it isn't.
              The only two dex entries that say anything close are zapdos' and Moltres.
              Zapdos points out the similar behavior between the two versions
              Moltres makes note of Galarian Moltres being the original inspiration for the name.

              Articuno says nothing.

              You're purposefully misinterpreting what it's saying because the notion of legendary pokemon NOT being unique upsets you and ruins everything you thought was true but actually isn't stated in any game or media.

              It's very common in pokemon if I'm being honest and it goes on today with things like the imagination theory. It's mostly because you people were kids when you were exposed to pokemon and couldn't read.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Oooh, this thing looks like it's all molten and covered in fire! Must be that fire bird from those stories - what was its name again? Oh, right - Moltres! This must be what they were talking about!"
              Are you moronic?
              If it said "that's why it was given the name Moltres" then you can say it was named after the original.
              The dex entry EXPLICITLY states that it INSPIRED the name.

              God, you never saw this problem with any other variants.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >The Galarian birds explicitly are separate pokemon named after the Kanto ones.
          If the Galarian birds can be separate species that just happen to strongly resemble the Kanto versions, why can't Suicune and Walking Wake be separate species that just happen to strongly resemble each other?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >If the Galarian birds can be separate species that just happen to strongly resemble the Kanto versions
            They aren't.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The why, is that Past Paradox pokemon are positioned as ancestors of modern pokemon. They're not random coincidental living fossils that happen to resemble modern monsters. But their genetic precursors. Great Tusk eventually evolves into Donphan after millions/thousands of years.
            If you believe in the time travel theory, Walking Wake eventually evolves into Suicune naturally. Its not a coincidental mimic, but an actual ancient ancestor. Unless its some exception to the rule of how Past Paradox monsters work, its the forefather of Suicune later on.
            The issue is that Suicune was explicitly created at some point in time. It didn't have ancestors nor an evolutionary tree.

            Walking Wake is an imaginary pokemon conjured up based on a misunderstood description of what Koraidon looked like.
            It has all the same design elements and colors used, just remixed around because whomever imagined it did so without actually seeing the original Koraidon.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Those are fair points. I don't really have strong feelings one way or the other with regard to the whole time travel/imagination debate, it was just a thought I had on reading that post.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              This imagination theory is going too fricking far. The headcanon is stretching into other games now.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They're not the only ones to exist. But they are the first ones to exist.
      We know that there are more than one of each monster. Frontier Brains use them, and Battle Facilities let you enter them.
      But, they were created first by Ho-oh, and reproduced on their own afterwards. Just because the PC can't breed them, doesn't mean they can't breed on their own separate from them. The Lati@s twins show that, they're specifically said to have herds, but the PC can't breed them regardless.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >But they are the first ones to exist.
        Proof?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          No names before Ho-oh revived them.
          They're too obvious and powerful and move around too much for them to have been unknown beforehand. Suicune doesn't hide on the top of a mountain where no one knows it exists, it runs around 2 regions worth of space at least, being seen widely as it goes. Enough for it to have acquired trackers like Eusine.
          Same goes for Raikou and Entei.

          They were created at a certain point of time. By Ho-oh.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'm still waiting for you to post proof.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Because there is no proof.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Proof of them not existing?
              The monsters that died having no names. Being unknown random shitmon, probably sentrets and rattata, if you're not a fan of the eeveelution theory.
              What died weren't 3 of the strongest monsters in the Johto-Kanto area. That somehow went full moron and died in a fire they all could have escaped.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Being unknown random shitmon, probably sentrets and rattata, if you're not a fan of the eeveelution theory.
                Which would mean that's not a possibility especially, the eevee being pokemon known from the Hisui age.
                It's more likely that they always existed, died in the fire, we're revived and not reformed by Ho-oh and then were named by the people who saw them.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You're misunderstanding. You have zero evidence that they're the first instance of beasts. They are the first KNOWN instance to those in Ecruteak City/Johto, but there is zero evidence that they were the first and only ones (as displayed multiple times in other titles and media). The Galarian birds already prove that variants of legendaries exist and there's no problem with Walking Wake existing. Everything you've said is purely conjecture and meaningless no matter how much it makes sense to yourself.

                >Suddenly, 150 years before the events of the games, this tower burned down in a mysterious fire, ignited by a bolt of lightning and put out by a sudden downpour. This fire caused three nameless Pokémon to perish.
                >However, this decision led to the empire declining after 1,000 years. 800 years later, Heath and the Area Zero Expedition would be the first to reach Area Zero's bottom. Here, Heath proceeds to take many notes on the area, Herba Mystica, the various wild Pokémon and first encounter with the mysterious Paradox Pokémon.
                >1000-800 = 200
                >Paradox Suicune was drawn 50 years before Ho-Oh created the Johto trio
                huh....really makes you think...

                there is more ingame lore disproving your bullshit than there is supporting it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Each is named after doing something in effect similar to the Kanto birds. Not in being an actual variation.
                G-Zapdos's feathers sound like lightning. G-Moltres's dark aura looks like fire. G-Articuno makes stuff freeze in place with its psychic power.
                They're named after the Kanto birds for having similar traits while in action. Not out of actually being the same monsters.

                Yes, actual Zapdos rubs its feathers together and creates thunderstorms.
                Galarian Zapdos rubs its feathers together incidentally when running around and makes a rough crackling that sounds similar as it does entirely different stuff.
                One is named for resembling the other, not for being the same monster adapted differently to a new environment.

                You've already been disproven about the Galarian birds.
                Give it up already.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >YOU'VE BEEN DISPROVEN BY MY SCHIZO BABBLE
                >SAME POKEDEX NUMBER? SAME NAME? SAME CRY? LOOK THE SAME WITH REGIONAL DIFFERENCES? SIGNATURE MOVES CALLING BACK TO THE KANTO TYPINGS? NOPE, I'M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG
                make a tripcode so I can filter you homosexual

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Filtering one person won't stop the rest of the board from calling you out.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Schizo babble?
                The dex entries themselves talk about how the Galarian birds have aesthetically similar traits on the surface and earned the same names as the Kanto birds for it because of them.
                Not that they're the same birds by any means. Zapdos flies around crackling its feathers and creating lightning and thunder. Galarian Zapdos runs around at 180mph and incidentally its feathers make a similar crackling sound. That similar sound is what earned it the name Zapdos, for sounding like 'zaps'.
                Otherwise its an entirely different monster.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >YOU'VE BEEN DISPROVEN BY MY SCHIZO BABBLE
                >SAME POKEDEX NUMBER? SAME NAME? SAME CRY? LOOK THE SAME WITH REGIONAL DIFFERENCES? SIGNATURE MOVES CALLING BACK TO THE KANTO TYPINGS? NOPE, I'M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG
                make a tripcode so I can filter you homosexual

                >Otherwise its an entirely different monster.
                Are you two moronic?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >THE POKEDEX THAT SAYS THEY'RE THE SAME POKEMON SAYS-
                nice

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Zapdos is a legendary bird Pokémon. It’s said that when Zapdos rubs its feathers together, lightning will fall immediately after.
                Kanto Zapdos. Its the Zapdos we all know.
                >When its feathers rub together, they produce a crackling sound like the zapping of electricity. That’s why this Pokémon is called Zapdos.
                Galarian Zapdos. Its name comes from the incidental fact that its feathers make a crackling sound. In a way similar to the actual Zapdos.

                They're not the same species. They're just named that way because they have similar traits.
                Like how turkeys (the gobble gobble kind) used to be called peawieners.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                What pokedex number are the galar birds. I'll wait.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That isn't relevant because they're explicitly misidentified and combined with the actual Kanto birds.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Its name comes from the incidental fact that its feathers make a crackling sound
                And the fact that it acts like zapdos
                Looks like zapdos
                Sounds like zapdos

                You can't say the same about the convergent pokemon.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It doesn't act anything like Zapdos.
                Galarian Zapdos is constantly running around smashing boulders, picking fights, and using sanic sped out where people can see it in the mountains.
                Kanto Zapdos just nests up somewhere isolated or hides inside thunderclouds.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >both crackle their wings
                >strong resemblance
                >same cry
                Same pokemon.

                >Galarian Zapdos is constantly running around smashing boulders, picking fights, and using sanic sped out where people can see it in the mountains.
                None of this is said in game.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >One kick from its powerful legs will pulverize a dump truck. Supposedly, this Pokémon runs through the mountains at over 180 mph.
                It is said right in the pokedex.
                It picks fights with humans and it runs around in the open enough for people to estimate its speed.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >nothing about it constantly running around
                >nothing about it picking fights let alone with humans
                >nothing about it smashing boulders
                You're trying your best but you really need to understand English to form a proper argument.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >and it runs around in the open enough for people to estimate its speed.
                So by that logic regular zapdos is just as battle hungry and picks fights with humans out in the open so that they can observe it and understand how its abilities work.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Nidoran male and female have two separate dex numbers even though they're the same species.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's almost like they're gen 1 pokemon.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                And?
                Btw Illumise and Volbeat are the same.
                Dex numbers don't exist in universe.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Btw Illumise and Volbeat are the same.
                actual moron

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                If you breed a Volbeat with a Ditto you can get an Illumise.
                They're male and female counterparts of the same species.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >They're male and female counterparts of the same species.
                Yes and no, they're related but anatomically different.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You can literally obtain one through breeding without the other being part of the process.
                I used VolbeatxDitto as an example but Illumise can breed with any compatible pokemon and still have a 50% chance of obtaining a Volbeat egg.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Reading comprehension anon.
                They're male and female counterparts but they're wholly different pokemon.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                If one can give birth to the other they're defintely not different species, biologically speaking.

  39. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    only /vp/ is moronic enough to discuss whenever is a tail or a ponytail

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Ponytail confirmed.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous
  40. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Nintendo
    They're regional variants
    >schizo
    UHHH ACKSHULLY

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Once every several decades, this migratory Pokémon appears in the Crown Tundra. For a long time, it was thought to be the same Legendary Pokémon as the Zapdos previously discovered in other regions. This belligerent, battle-hungry Pokémon seems unable to resist challenging Pokémon it senses may be stronger than itself.
      Don't bring Nintendo into this.
      They completely destroy any claims of K-Zapdos and G-Zapdos being the same type of monster.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >no response
        Oh no no

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          No one is giving you a response because your post isn't from the game, it's from TPC marketers.
          The same marketers that have said mega evolution was Kalos only.

  41. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >>GF decides 30 years later that actually there was a dinosaur ancestor to Suicune
    Who says that Walking Wake is Suicune’s ancestor?
    It’s convergent evolutions bro.

  42. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >heh, I, an intellectual, use the pokedex to support my opinion
    >NONONO NOT LIKE THAT THE POKEDEX IS WRONG THEY'RE DIFFERENT ADLFJALKDFJA;DSKF
    prescription medication

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      well I get their point. They're still regional forms, but the Galarian birds didn't come from the Kantonian ones. Instead, they evolved separately based on their environment.
      Kantonian birds and Galarian birds just came from the same ancestor.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Kantonian birds and Galarian birds just came from the same ancestor.
        That's actually what it is, but they're arguing the opposite because that would be in support of Walking Wake. They're trying to play mental gymnastics to deny the two trios being related whatsoever.

  43. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Imaginationbros... timetravelgays are SEETHING LMAAAOOO

  44. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How is this a contradiction in any way shape or form?

    Walking wake ----> unknown amount of years and common ancestors later -----> dies in fire ------> Suicune is created from the ashes

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Walking Wake can't breed neither can the other scarlet paradoxes.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That isn't necessarily proof though, there are plenty of pokemon that aren't able to breed in game. Presumably to prevent players from easily getting boxes full of them.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          do lugia and ho-oh have a baby after hardcore sex in-games as well?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If they can't breed, how are there so many of them?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          They supposedly all came out of the time machine

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Walking Wake can't breed neither can the other scarlet paradoxes
        Neither can Solgaleo and Lunala but cosmog exists.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          do lugia and ho-oh have a baby after hardcore sex in-games as well?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Yet again schizoes don’t understand the meaning of “Undiscovered Egg Group”

  45. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What if Ho-Oh has been around forever and decided to remake them BASED off of what it remembers from this extinct Pokemon?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why couldn't they just be the beasts?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Autists think Ho-Oh only rezzed pokemon once in the billion years or however long the pokemon universe has existed. The two people arguing it know there's a dozen holes in their bullshit but they cherrypick who to argue with. They've now moved goalposts from Galar birds to fricking Illumise because they have no ground to stand on.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It's hilarious isn't it. All because they don't want to accept a major hole in the imagination theory.

  46. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >dumb morons clear the thread after illumise fiasco
    I'm not letting it 404 that easy

  47. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Imagination isn't real because I imagine that pokegays aren't domesticated moronic autists

  48. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Ho-oh is shown to have created the legendary dogs in multiple pieces of media

    He just created A suicune, A raikou and A entei, not the entire species, the species are older

  49. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >We lost our interested in Pokemon long ago, now give us your money if you want more Pokemon.

  50. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >morons still thinks it's from the past

  51. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Paradox Pokemon result in a lore paradox
    Imagine my shock

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      live anon reaction

  52. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >autists are not ok with suicune having a raptor ancestor
    >autists have no problem with porygon or literal robots

  53. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    bug schizo is back

  54. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Ho-Oh turned one of the dogs into a legendary water dog that kind of resembles an ancient raptor pokemon
    What's the problem?

  55. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >THE GALARIAN BIRDS ARE COMPLETELY UNRELATED AND ARE NOTHING LIKE THE KANTO TRI-ACK

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >canonically impossible unnatural mutation's color means they're the same pokemon
      Really reaching now, aren't you?
      Do you also believe

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        DO I BELIEVE WHAT PUSSY?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I was originally going to write
          > "do you also believe [random pokemon] is related to [random different pokemon with similar colors]
          but honestly I got lazy looking for an example that wasn't just completepy ridiculous. Let's go with Charizard and Dragonite. Similar body shapes, similar colors, are they the same pokemon?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            ARE THEY THE SAME DEX NUMBER PUSSY? IS DRAGONITE KANTONIAN CHARIZARD? FRICK YOU

  56. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You guys want the answer? You'll get your answer.
    It's not Time Travel, nor is it Imagination.
    It's a Suicune mutated by the Tera Crystals used by ancient Atlanteans.
    There are multiple Suicunes, Raikous, and Enteis, it's just that the ones Ho-Oh made were the absolute first, rather than Suicune having a distant ancestor in the past.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly, this is more believable than time travel. A lot less hoops to jump through to make it work.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Any of the current theories make sense with the right context, it really just depends on where they decide to take it. I'd rather not wait til the Winter to play it though.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        My current theory is Atlantis as some wild card.
        Past Paradoxes are Pokemon altered by Tera Crystals, Future Pokemon are ones made by Atlanteans. This explains Sandy Shocks having screws on it despite coming from the distant past, for instance.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >This explains Sandy Shocks having screws on it despite coming from the distant past, for instance.
          Magnemite have had screws on their body for 3000 years.
          Screws have only been around for about 200.

          The pokemon inspire the object here, not the other way around.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            True.
            I think people have a hard time believing Paradox Pokemon being real when Scream Tail is said to be billions of years old.
            With the future ones you have no real date on when they'll happen, but you still have Iron Bundle saying it's from the past yet it's a future Paradox (which is a funny ATHF joke on my end).

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >when Scream Tail is said to be billions of years old.
              Here's the thing, literally none of this is real. Everything in Occulture is made up for the sake of an article which us why the time travel and atlantis theories don't take them into account as actual lore.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                occulture also made up the iron hands resemblance to hariyama the violet book only describes it as to throw large fast-moving vehicles with it's fists but never described as hariyama

                weird

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                violet book: it's a beast with powerfull hands

                occulture: it's cyborg hariyama lmao

                "time machine": it's cyborg hariyama lmao

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the violet book only describes it as to throw large fast-moving vehicles with it's fists but never described as hariyama
                Yeah that's not right. We don't have the page for the paradoxes other than Donphan.

                That's why you think it's weird, you've made a headcanon.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >"you've made a headcanon"
                >propose another headcanon
                lel it's still occulture saying it looks like hariyama not the violet book

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                the theory is made by occulture a "pokemon with big hands" is an anonymous description it could also be an ambipom with robotic arms but occulture says "it's cyborg hariyama" and effectively becomes a cyborg hariyama

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >"named after"
                They're going to reveal the hidden book pages in DLC and they will look nothing like the actual pokemon.
                Screencap this.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                homie says "hidden" like flipping a page is some type of epiphany

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yes?
                The pages are not viewable in game, the only references to them are from occulture.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You know we have multiple copies of the full book right lol

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Oh okay, you wouldn't mind actually showing me where the pages about paradox pokemon are viewable.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                so you're suggesting the surprise twist is that you open the book to a page that you decided to ignore this entire time. When you're friends with the kid whose parent was obsessed with the book and wouldn't point out inconsistencies earlier Right. There's suspension of disbelief, and then there's asking people to play stupid. This is the latter.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                When did I say the drawings being diiferent was the twist?
                The fact you can never read the pages outside of a second-hand source which also says that the paradox pokemon are only named after the ones in the book is clearly hinting towards something.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You're not very smart are you.
                It's not headcanon to say that we don't have the page in the violet book because we just don't have the page.
                It's one of the unseen pages of the book like the ones that go into detail about what the different Herba Mystica do.

                >not the violet book
                We quite literally do not know that.

                Can you please stop creating headcanons just to fill gaps?

  57. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Everyone losing their minds when Suicune somehow appeared in the past
    >Everyone conveniently forgets how Raikou Entei and Suicune can be encountered in Ultra Space, thousands of light years from PokeEarth

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      it's way more believable to know that there are duplicates of legendary pokemon in other dimensions instead of seeing a velociraptor suicune

      we even had 4 games about multiverse and duplicate of villains who have won

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >it's way more believable to know that there are duplicates of legendary pokemon in other dimensions instead of seeing a velociraptor suicune
        Travelling thousands of light years away from Earth doesn't take you to other dimensions, it just takes you far away from Earth.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Travelling thousands of light years away from Earth doesn't take you to other dimensions, it just takes you far away from Earth.
          >the game is literally about multiverse

          moron

  58. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    So imagination theory started with
    >terapogos uses imagination to make pokemon
    and now we're at
    >illumise is the same pokemon as volbeat
    Can someone explain to me what was wrong with the time machine?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What the frick are you talking about moron?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Can someone explain to me what was wrong with the time machine?
      Get this, they didn't accept it because...

      They thought it didn't make sense that the paradox pokemon were in the book if the time machine brought them to the present in the first place.
      To top it off they made arbitrary rules for the time machine that were never stated like it was locked to one era or that in Violet it couldn't be used to send things to the past even though it does

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, you have no idea what the frick you're talking about. The issue is that the Paradox Pokemon showed up in the book long before a time machine was ever built to bring them to the present. The book was explicitly stated to be fraudulent in-universe, so having a machine suddenly pulling these fictional creations described in the fake book and Occulture magazines into the present created an issue - how are you bringing these things 'from another point in time' if they're stated to have never really existed in the first place? If the Pokemon actually appeared to Heath, why was there no sign of them ever having been there when later expeditions arrived? How did the professor get an exact AI copy of themselves made of tech that doesn't exist...before they finished building their time machine? Why didn't the AI travel back to stop the original professor 's death if it actually worked - or, if the machine was going to be a problem to begin with, why not travel back and stop the professor from ever building it in the first place? Why is Terapagos important?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You ask some great questions, and quite a few can be answered through how time travel supposedly works in general. I think the biggest thing you're missing that you yourself are asking is
          >How did the professor get an exact AI copy of themselves
          Why is Walking Wake and Iron Leaves completely different from the book if she was able to completely clone herself?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            because sada/turo are autist people obsessed with robots/dinosaurs that's the correct answer

            otherwise why fricking amoonguss out of all pokemon should be a dinosaur mushroom

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              So why is Great Tusk not more dramatically dinosaur-esque? Or Slither Wing? You're trying to explain away an inconsistency instead of thinking about it. Why spend the energy to believe the story is fake but not the things that tell you otherwise?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >So why is Great Tusk not more dramatically dinosaur-esque?
                he is put some glasses on
                >Or Slither Wing?
                this must be bait

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Don't bother, they claim that all of them are dinosaurs even though only three that aren't already reptilian gained those features.
                I saw one the other day trying to claim that Tusk is the only Donphan with a tail.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Tusk is the only Donphan with a tail.
                he is just a donphan with a tail though bigger tusks even but what else?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >The issue is that the Paradox Pokemon showed up in the book long before a time machine was ever built to bring them to the present
          Yeah that's not an issue if you know what a bootstrap paradox is and wouldn't you know it, the game itself alludes to it at the end.
          >The book was explicitly stated to be fraudulent in-universe,
          Yeah no it wasn't, if you had played the game you would know that people simply didn't believe it because it sounded so outlandish not that it was proven to be fake.
          In fact with out own trip to area Zero as well as Arven's story we confirm that everything was true.
          >how are you bringing these things 'from another point in time' if they're stated to have never really existed in the first place?
          Because they clearly did exist in a different point in time as the game states.
          >why was there no sign of them ever having been there when later expeditions arrived?
          The time machine can retrieve pokemon in time and it was 200 years ago, any trace would be gone.
          >How did the professor get an exact AI copy of themselves made of tech that doesn't exist...before they finished building their time machine?
          Once again proving you didn't play the game.
          The AI was the LAST thing the professor made when the time machine was fully finctional and it wasn't the technology that was the issue but the knowledge.
          The simplest explanation is that they went into the future, retrieved a method of making a sophisticated AI and came back using a time machine that exists in the future.
          Keep in mind I'm not saying this is what happened but yeah it fits with what's stated in game.
          >Why didn't the AI travel back to stop the original professor 's death if it actually worked
          Because that not only would create a paradox but the professor would continue to flood the present with paradox pokemon.
          >why not travel back and stop the professor from ever building it in the first place?
          Because that would create a massive time paradox which of course is bad.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            just wanted to comment on your last two points: if you believe it to be a bootstrap paradox, then the last two wouldn't matter. Whoever is going back in time to continue the bootstrap is doing it on a new timeline in a different parallel universe.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >if you believe it to be a bootstrap paradox, then the last two wouldn't matter.
              No, because there's multiple different paradoxes when it comes to time.
              A bootstrap can be stable since it isn't erasing anything.
              Everything else is full on altering and erasing things that happened.

              >is doing it on a new timeline in a different parallel universe.
              Not all fictional time travel works by Dragonball rules anon. And clearly pokemon isn't.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                i was only commenting on your post because I thought you were applying bootstrap to all points, i might have misinterpreted.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Time travel has a decent amount of paradoxes but once you learn how they work its easy to understand.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            > if you know what a bootstrap paradox is
            Better question: Do you think a 10-year old, the game's target audience, is going to understand what a bootstrap paradox is?
            > the game itself alludes to it at the end.
            Right, with the AI who, in Scarlet, goes back in time...yet leaves no evidence that they ever existed in the past. Yep. Proof right there. And what exactly do you think they went back in time to do? Help create the time machine they set out to destroy?
            >Because they clearly did exist in a different point in time as the game states.
            Right, just like Walking Wake and Iron Leaves. The games TOTALLY don't go out of their way to tell you 'these guys are the OC Donutsteels of the artist and not based on any description given by Heath'. They were totally real...just because!
            >The time machine can retrieve pokemon in time and it was 200 years ago, any trace would be gone.
            Yeah, the machine just magically plucked the EXACT number of Paradox Pokemon out of the past and into Heath's time, then went and removed ALL of them without leaving any behind...for reasons.
            >Because that not only would create a paradox but the professor would continue to flood the present with paradox pokemon.
            >Because that would create a massive time paradox which of course is bad.
            And yet you state the AI really did travel into the past to do...something? And that would be good?
            Here's another question for you: How did the Time Machine manage to pull ONLY the EXACT 8 (plus the one explicitly fake) Pokemon stated in the Scarlet/Violet Book into the present, and ONLY those ones? How did it not pull through any of the other species that surely lived in the area? Are we meant to think only 8 different species (plus one fake Pokemon that was stated to be an artist's invention but totally exists anyway for reasons) living in that crater in both the past and the future when there's exactly 45 living there in the present, excluding the newly-introduced Paradox 'mons themselves?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Do you think a 10-year old, the game's target audience, is going to understand what a bootstrap paradox is?
              Yes?
              Do you have any idea how many pieces of children's media have time paradoxes in general? They aren't confusing at all.
              >Right, with the AI who, in Scarlet, goes back in time...yet leaves no evidence that they ever existed in the past. Yep. Proof right there. And what exactly do you think they went back in time to do? Help create the time machine they set out to destroy?
              This doesn't remoty address the point and just goes on a tangent about the AI who wouldn't even be around in the dlc to do anything.
              >Right, just like Walking Wake and Iron Leaves. The games TOTALLY don't go out of their way to tell you 'these guys are the OC Donutsteels of the artist and not based on any description given by Heath'.
              Unless you're blind they don't look a thing like the sketches. That's a point against the imagination theory.
              >the machine just magically plucked the EXACT number of Paradox Pokemon out of the past and into Heath's time, then went and removed ALL of them without leaving any behind...for reasons.
              The fact that you think the time machine just acts on its own rather than being operated by someone is worrying.
              Then again the alternative theory you're putting forward is one that says things just... Happen.
              >And yet you state the AI really did travel into the past to do...something? And that would be good?
              What?
              Why even reply if you can't follow a conversation.
              >How did the Time Machine manage to pull ONLY the EXACT 8 (plus the one explicitly fake) Pokemon stated in the Scarlet/Violet Book into the present, and ONLY those ones
              One, the time machine can be manned by a human.
              Two, you're not thinking. The first paradoxes came to the modern day, then they were sent back 200 years ago, those sightings made it into the book which in turn inspired the time machine.
              That's a bootstrap paradox.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >unless you're blind they don't look like tue sketches, that's a point against imagination
                Because tue artist coincidentally drawing something simialr to a pokemon that should be impossible without any knowledge of it is more believable than someone seeing a drawing and having a similar but seperate idea based on it?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >tue
                >simialr
                Good lord proofreading is a thing you know.
                Anyway, you're writing it off as a coincidence as if we don't have an instance of people being influenced. Heath being such a person who wrote something without recalling when and in his own handwriting no less.

                If you played the game you would be able to put 2 and 2 together.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry that I'm tired of your nonsense and didn't take the extra minute to check spelling.
                >as if we don't have an instance of people being influenced
                One single case which is clearly described as notably weird. You know what was not described as weird in any way? The artist drawing wake/leaves for fun.
                >if you played the game you would be able to put 2 and 2 together
                You're putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5. If you played the game, you would know that the drawing of wake/leaves was clearly not mind controlled.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >One single case which is clearly described as notably weird.
                Are you going to act as if the Professor's descent into madness isn't a second possible case? Remember the AI had the memories of the professor and still couldn't fathom their actions.
                >You're putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5.
                Ironic coming from someone who believes the expedition was faked despite the game screaming at you saying otherwise.
                >If you played the game, you would know that the drawing of wake/leaves was clearly not mind controlled.
                Not that you have any evidence to the contrary. It's the only reasonable explanation behind it because it certainly couldn't be imagination or they would look exactly like the drawings.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Ironic coming from someone who believes the expedition was faked despite the game screaming at you saying otherwise.
                Dude...the game spends all of its time screaming at you that it WAS faked. A recurring theme throughout the game is not to take everything you see at face value, and that includes Heath's account of what he saw and did in Area Zero, or what the Occulture Magazines try to pass off as fact.
                >Not that you have any evidence to the contrary.
                The burden of proof is on you, the one who claimed it was done under the influence of mind control.
                > It's the only reasonable explanation behind it because it certainly couldn't be imagination or they would look exactly like the drawings.
                ...or the professor could have looked at the book designs, thought 'nah, that looks stupid. I think it looked more like this', and *poof*, Walking Wake and Iron Leaves start popping up out of Tera Dens. makes more sense than assuming those two specific Pokemon just so happened to appear, even if they look a little different.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Dude...the game spends all of its time screaming at you that it WAS faked
                >herbs are real
                >area zero markings are real
                >area zero crystals are real
                >area zero plate is real
                >the map in the book is accurate
                Literally everything in the book is 100% accurate. The game drives it home that it is very much real.
                >A recurring theme throughout the game is not to take everything you see at face value
                No, the only time such a theme comes up is during the team star story because they were the ones being bullied.
                That's it.
                It's not a reccuring theme. By any stretch of the imagination. Especially not where the book is concerned because the whole point of Arven's story and the final Area Zero story was to show that what's recorded in the book is real.
                >the one who claimed it was done under the influence of mind control.
                If you knew how English worked you would know that I did not in fact make such a claim.
                What did in fact happen is that I gave a theory based on what we know in the game as fact, I'm not passing the idea itself off as what truly happened. It's on you to say that it's not possible because that's your claim.
                >I think it looked more like this', and *poof*, Walking Wake and Iron Leaves start popping up out of Tera Dens
                I hate to break it to you but the professor was dead when they started spawning.
                >a little different.
                That's the understatement of the year, I guarantee you can't find one complete matching feature on the both of them.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >What did in fact happen is that I gave a theory based on what we know in the game as fact
                This is so funny to read when your theory is based entirely off of things that are never stated to happen using characters going against their own motives. You grossly misinterpret the text and handwave any criticism with "it's a paradox bro" as if that's good enough to justify the professor being sent back 200 years ago when we know the worst thing that can happen when a non-Pokeball enters the time machine is that they can't get back to the present.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >This is so funny to read when your theory is based entirely off of things that are never stated to happen
                Like the time travel the entire last story is about?
                Or how the game refers to Occulture as a "dubious" magazine?
                Or how the books are 100% accurate?

                Ignoring the theorycrafting to cover the gaps, e.g. bootstrap paradoxes, going into the future for tech etc., what exactly do you think hasn't been mentioned in game that is a part of this theory.

                Before you answer this post I want you to read it carefully and make sure you understand.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >what exactly do you think hasn't been mentioned in game that is a part of this theory
                That there's no time loop or paradox acknowledged by anyone in the entire cast, meaning your headcanon version of the AI has zero reason to help Heath in the first place. The only thing in the game that mentions 'paradox' is the Pokedex, the Pokemon themselves are referred to as ancient and future Pokemon by the human characters.
                > what exactly do you think hasn't been mentioned in game that is a part of this theory.
                That there's no explanation for how Heath could see the paradox Pokemon, especially the Raidon. If we leave out all of your bootstrap moronation and go only off of what the games tell us, that means Heath lied through his teeth about the Paradox Pokemon which explains why he was discredited and why nothing was in the crater. Things like the crop circles and the tablet being there don't suddenly undo the fact that he lied about the main subject of the book.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >That there's no time loop or paradox acknowledged by anyone in the entire cast,
                Arven quite literally hints at one in the postgame.
                >"Wait, hold on... Isn't my mom's/dad's time machine the whole reason the ancient/future Pokémon ended up here in the first place? This book is from way before she/he made the time machine, but it mentions ancient/future Pokémon.

                >That there's no explanation for how Heath could see the paradox Pokemon
                There is in fact a time machine that can solve that issue, there are no plot holes with that idea.
                The only thing we don't have yet is the why.
                >and go only off of what the games tell us, that means Heath lied through his teeth about the Paradox Pokemon
                Despite the fact that the book is 100% fact in regards to what they found. There is nothing in game that suggests that Heath lied
                >which explains why he was discredited and why nothing was in the crater
                Literally everything was in the crater except for the paradox pokemon. We see that for ourselves.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >or the professor could have looked at the book designs, thought 'nah, that looks stupid. I think it looked more like this', and *poof*, Walking Wake and Iron Leaves start popping up out of Tera Dens.
                Then they wouldn't spawn because the professor would have known they're fake.
                And you can't say that would be the case or the sketched versions would have been imagined too in that case.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                If Terapagos is a wish granter, why wouldn't they spawn? All Turo/Sada has to do is go "man, these hypothetical versions of these Pokemon are cool, I wish I could see them!" and then boom.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The wording on the page doesn't imply that at all.
                If that was the intent it would say something like "the artist had a vision and she started drawing as her mind was elsewhere".
                As it is the drawing is just inspired by what the artist saw when she was in area zero.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >This doesn't remoty address the point
                It does. You said the ending alludes to a bootsrap paradox. The ending has the AI use the time machine to either go into the past (Scarlet) or the future (Violet). First, the Bootstrap doesn't work at all in violet, because the AI isn't going into the past at all; second, for the bootstrap you claim this moment alludes to to work, the AI would need to be going into the past to ensure the time machine gets built - despite the fact that they literally just risked everything to shut it down. It makes no sense.
                >Unless you're blind they don't look a thing like the sketches.
                Doesn't matter. They were explicitly stated to be purely works of fiction. What are the odds of the time machine magically pulling out the exact Pokemon that the artist was fantasizing about? Zero.
                >That's a point against the imagination theory.
                No, it's a point in favor, actually. Whoever Terapagos drew the idea from reinterpreted the design. It makes far more sense than the whole 'this fictional Pokemon just so happened to be real after all and was in the exact right place at the exact right time to get yoinked into the present'.
                >The fact that you think the time machine just acts on its own rather than being operated by someone is worrying.
                We see that it's working on auto-pilot during the fight - the AI isn't touching any controls at all, and it's likely that the reason there are so many copies of Paradox 'mons running around - and the reason the machine is still a danger even though the professor is dead - is because it's running on its own.
                >What? Why even reply if you can't follow a conversation.
                You're the one having trouble following the conversation. You're stating that jumping into the past would create a paradox, yet you say the AI is really travelling through time to the past in your own post.
                >The first paradoxes came to the modern day
                From when?
                >then they were sent back 200 years ago
                Why?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >It does
                No it doesn't. You went on a complete tangent about the AI that no one mentioned.
                >First, the Bootstrap doesn't work at all in violet
                Of course it does, it's a time machine that allows free movement through time for anything within a pokeball.
                Anything more than that is headcanon, which is why it doesn't make sense to you. You're purposefully making up these situations claiming that they're the arguments of the people who are against you.
                >What are the odds of the time machine magically pulling out the exact Pokemon that the artist was fantasizing about?
                Given the nature of time travel, assuming they were inspired by a Wake and Leaves sent to the past then the chances are 100%.
                >it's a point in favor, actually
                Against.
                The reason why is because it quite literally has no resemblance to the sketches beyond the features they share with Suicune and even those are radically different.
                >We see that it's working on auto-pilot during the fight - the AI isn't touching any controls at all
                Anon, the fact that it can work autonomously doesn't mean that it can only work autonomously.
                Using the logs you can infer that it can do BOTH.
                >You're stating that jumping into the past would create a paradox, yet you say the AI is really travelling through time to the past in your own post.
                You were the one who brought up the AI in the first place and that part of the conversation was about the AI saving the professor, an idea you also brought up out of the blue, and not going back 200 years ago.
                You shouldn't be having this much trouble following a conversation.
                >From when?
                That doesn't even make sense as a response, they paradox mon could have come from multiple eras.
                All we know is that they came to the present before going back 200 years ago.
                >Why?
                It's going to be covered in the dlc.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Why is Terapagos important?
          Because not only is it a power source providing the crystals it clearly has some influence over humans as shown in the journal.

          Almost all of your questions come from a place of sheer ignorance of the game's lore.

  59. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Imaginationschizos should have their brains splattered across the wall.

  60. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    anything that isn't in the games is fanfiction. stay mad. the games can invalidate any turd written by secondary teams at any time.

  61. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    so.. are the birds fricking related or what?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yes.
      The Galarian birds are in fact a real zapdos, Moltres and articuno. That share behavior.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No, they just happened to be named the same thing because of their similar abilities.

  62. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    no (you)s for birdschizo

  63. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Riddle me this /vp/, what came first? The time machine or the scifi magazines? Why do you put so much weight into the occulture? Is it because by doing do it supports your theory?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Objectively the magazine came first.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        So doesn't that mean anything written in it is schizo headcanon and meaningless?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, which is why it's suspicious that every paradox mon other than wake and leaves line up exactly with the random magazine's description. Almost like there's something different from pulling actual pokemon from other times hapoening here.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The beasts and swords' illustrations were all theoretical.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The only image in the book that wasn't based off something they saw were the hybrids.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >which is why it's suspicious that every paradox mon other than wake and leaves line up exactly with the random magazine's description.
            It's almost as if the descriptions are based on what's in the book, dumbass.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >which is why it's suspicious that every paradox mon other than wake and leaves line up exactly with the random magazine's description.
            Nah, you just have to read and have the ability to infer.
            Take this for example
            >The name Iron Moth was borrowed from that of a flying object described in the era-defining Violet Book. It was said to resemble Volcarona and would descend from the skies, following people around and occasionally even attacking them.
            This is based entirely on what they read in an unseen page of the book.

            This part
            >Some point to Iron Moth's aggression as a sign that it is, in fact, a UFO of sorts being controlled by alien life. Perhaps something out there is using Iron Moth to observe us, waiting for the moment to mount an invasion...
            Is entirely bullshit.
            All the Occulture books are like that, they use the real descriptions from the book and then just make up shit about UFOs, being billions of years old being a human that was enhanced into metal Hariyama and so on.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          what?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Which part are you confused about?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Why do you put so much weight into the occulture?
      If you take it as fact, contrary to what the game says, then time travel doesn't work.
      That's the only reason anyone does it

  64. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    In all honesty I’m perfectly fine with either theory being right, but I’m gonna miss these threads when it’s finally confirmed if it’s imagination or time travel.

  65. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >time-travel anon: the imagination theory makes no sense, you have to make up reasons for event to happen the way they did!
    >also time-travel anon: the time travel doesn't have to make sense because paradoxes! There are multiple paradoxes created by things that the game doesn't mention happening! And they all conveniently create the exact events of the timeline that I say but not any of the other things that they would actually make happen!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I want to congratulate you on taking a step forward to accepting that imagination doesn't make sense. Eventually you'll stop coping and understand that you don't need the same leaps in logic to understand how time travel works. Maybe I can suggest you some videos on a 3rd grade level.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >you don't need the same leaps in logic
        No, you need different ones, like many successful time travel attempts that are never mentioned in the game or implied to even be possible with the "time machine"

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          What schizo shit are you on?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >it's time travel, I don't need to explain shit
        >if it doesn't make sense, has no supporting evidence, and is completely made up, well, it's a time machine so it can do anything! dont you get how time machines work???
        >imagination makes no sense btw

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >it's time travel, I don't need to explain shit
          i think you mean
          >get answer
          >do mental gymnastic to deny it
          >UHH WHERE ARE THE ANSWERS?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >get answer
            "It works because paradox" isn't an answer

            As an example: the time machine, as it is explained in Violet, sends an empty pokeball to the future, captures a pokemon, then returns to the present.

            How, without assuming the machine works in other convenient unexplained ways, does that lead to multiple wild paradox pokemon existing 200 years ago, but then disappearing without any sign of their existence until the time machine is built?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Well, if we look at the machine based off of what we know, it functions like this
              >send pokeball to [time]
              >return with captured pokemon
              What we don't know is
              >send [object] through machine
              >what happens to object?
              If we are working off of this as a time paradox, one solution would be
              >bootstrap paradox
              Which can be explained here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp5VjZ3uhMc
              Now that we've established that, let's look at how the main story ends
              >AI wants to stop time machine
              >AI enters machine
              >AI is in possession of the paradox book
              >AI disappears
              Now, what happens to the AI? We don't know. We don't know if they arrive at their destination, we don't know if they blink out of existence, and we don't know if they're even able to return but we DO know it's been established pokeballs can travel forwards and backwards in some manner.
              If you look at pic related, Heath recalls speaking to -someone-, and wakes up with a page of the paradox book. It's in his hand writing, the page is beat up, but he doesn't remember writing it. So now, if you follow the bootstrap theory, you can surmise that for some reason or another, Heath met the AI who was displaced after entering the machine. They would either 1) be in possession of paradox pokemon or 2) you would surmise paradox pokemon would be exiting whatever hole was opened with them.
              Here are questions we don't fully understand if we follow this theory
              >Why does the AI continue the loop?
              >How does Heath know what Raidon looks like without seeing one? the AI isn't in possession of it anymore.
              The first one we don't and wouldn't know unless explained ingame. The second could easily be explained by the fact the AI goes back in time with the paradox book, and we're not aware of if they had any other encounters or conversations, but we can assume that they did. You also have to take into account the page about Terapogos is censored in every version, and we don't know why.

              part 1 (character limit)

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                So, to answer the insinuation
                >oh to explain time travel you need xyz paradoxes to just all occur at once
                No, you really don't. Everything functions under a single type of paradox, and there's information in game that supports it. People continue to point to the occulture to call Heath a liar, but the reality is that the occultures were written -before- the time machine was complete, so everything written is based off what Heath wrote, and then the writers conjecture.They're meaningless red herrings.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                schizo post

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                In game the only stipulation with sending a non-Pokeball through the time machine is that it wouldn't be able to come back to the present, the AI getting sent to Heath's time in either version is schizo babble.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the AI getting sent to Heath's time in either version is schizo babble.
                Well no, you're wrong. If we worked off of a bootstrap paradox, that would have to be the cause of the loop. The other suggestion for imagination theory is
                >they just stop existing lol
                Both would be "schizo babble" with zero supporting evidence. We now have both Walking Wake and Iron Leaves, if the AI needs to run the machine how do you explain that?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                > We now have both Walking Wake and Iron Leaves, if the AI needs to run the machine how do you explain that?
                Terapogos can still create stuff without the machine. Just because the machine isn’t using Terapogos’ power to create new Paradoxes doesn’t mean Terapogos can’t just create new Paradoxes on its own.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                > We now have both Walking Wake and Iron Leaves, if the AI needs to run the machine how do you explain that?
                Terapogos can still create stuff without the machine. Just because the machine isn’t using Terapogos’ power to create new Paradoxes doesn’t mean Terapogos can’t just create new Paradoxes on its own.

                We also don't know when Wakes and Leaves appear, they could have been brought to Paldea before the professor died. They have no lore and are found in a raid den, so they must have escaped area zero at some point.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >what we don't know is
                >>send [object] through machine
                >>what happens to object?
                >if we are working off this as a time paradox

                You literally immediately did exactly what I said not to. You're assuming a different use for the time machine is possible, and then using a paradox incorrectly to justify it.
                You also dodged the second part of the question. If, and that's a big if, the time machine could somehow release future pokemon into the last, why did Sada/Turbo never mention anything remotely similar to that, and how did the pokemon all disappear later?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >You're assuming a different use for the time machine is possible
                What the frick are you talking about? We know pokeballs can go forwards and back, we don't know if people or objects can. Hell, if the AI can travel freely forwards and backwards that makes it easier to start the machine back up dumb frick.

                > We now have both Walking Wake and Iron Leaves, if the AI needs to run the machine how do you explain that?
                Terapogos can still create stuff without the machine. Just because the machine isn’t using Terapogos’ power to create new Paradoxes doesn’t mean Terapogos can’t just create new Paradoxes on its own.

                >Terapogos can still create stuff without the machine
                Okay, now prove it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Okay, now prove it.
                If the machine uses Terapogos’ power to create Paradoxes, then anything the machine can do Terapogos can also do.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                So why was there no paradox pokemon until the time machine was created? You're claiming Terapogos can do something that allegedly never happened prior in 200 years.

                >we know pokeballs can go forwards and back
                We "know" empty pokeballs can be temporarily sent to another time period amd then immediately return. That does not translate to multiple pokemon somehow permanently ending up in the past when the machine isn't even on. We watch the AI go through, there are no pokemon with it, and no mentions of anything like that happening before the professor died anywhere in the game.

                The AI enters with her pokemon team as well as the book. They've never sent anything bigger than a pokeball through it. Pokemon traveling through it is established because they come through after being retrieved. We also don't know how fast time travel is nor what would happen if the machine shut down when the AI disappeared. Like I said, if this is a bootstrap paradox, the AI entering the machine would be the trigger.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the AI enters with her pokemon team
                So 6 paradox pokemon got to the past, somehow Heath sees more, AND the "time machine" is able to find more somewhere else? What about the ones that aren't even on the AI's team?

                >like I said, if this is a bootstrap paradox
                Everything still has to come from somewhere. Most of the things supposedly created by your paradox are never shown to go to the past, or implied to ever possibly go to the past, so they can't possibly be pulled from the past to eventually go back there.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Just because he can create them doesn’t mean he will. Someone once made a good theory in a previous thread that Terapogos only made the original Paradoxes back when Heath was exploring because Heath wanted to see them, so Terapogos made them. When others came to Area Zero, they wanted to prove Heath had been lying, so Terapogos got rid of them.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                So Terapogos made the Professor lose everything chasing their paradise instead of just making them? They believed like a mother fricker, that's not enough? Even you have to realize that doesn't make sense.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That theory is really dumb imo, making Terapagos make and unmake stuff en masse at will based of extremely vague ideas feels like it creates way more issues from a narrative standpoint than just saying Heath made his fakemon up.
                Like if going in the crater and wanting to find stuff was enough for Terapagos to generate it, then the professor never would have needed to make a "time machine" in the first place since they wanted to see what Heath saw.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >we know pokeballs can go forwards and back
                We "know" empty pokeballs can be temporarily sent to another time period amd then immediately return. That does not translate to multiple pokemon somehow permanently ending up in the past when the machine isn't even on. We watch the AI go through, there are no pokemon with it, and no mentions of anything like that happening before the professor died anywhere in the game.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Hell, if the AI can travel freely forwards and backwards that makes it easier to start the machine back up dumb frick.
                You don't know how the time machine works at all, it's a one way trip, humans can't travel the same way a Pokeball can.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                1) are you saying the AI is human?
                2) is this some type of big gotcha? The AI being able to travel back doesn't matter.

                >the AI enters with her pokemon team
                So 6 paradox pokemon got to the past, somehow Heath sees more, AND the "time machine" is able to find more somewhere else? What about the ones that aren't even on the AI's team?

                >like I said, if this is a bootstrap paradox
                Everything still has to come from somewhere. Most of the things supposedly created by your paradox are never shown to go to the past, or implied to ever possibly go to the past, so they can't possibly be pulled from the past to eventually go back there.

                We don't know if the AI has the paradox donphan on them or not. We battled them with 7 pokemon, who knows if they had more. At the very least they didn't have a Raidon (if the second one staying is canon), but they had the book with what it looks like.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >We battled them with 7 pokemon, who knows if they had more
                In the battle their entire team was made up of Pokemon freshly 'caught' by the time machine, and then the final battle was with the Raidon we know they had on them. Considering that the PPP was made just to stop and kill anyone trying to stop the time machine, it makes no sense for the professor to have more Pokemon on them and not use them.
                The prof only had the Raidon ball and that's it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Only the first ball is dropped to them before the battle starts. The machine wasn't active during the fight.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That still doesn't explain why if the professor had more Pokemon they didn't use them.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Only the first ball is dropped to them
                Proof?
                >The machine wasn't active during the fight
                Yes it was, play the game

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                ?t=3907
                You play it 🙂

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You posted a video disproving your own post.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Mental moronation. Here's your (you)

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Your video shows the machine activating and staying active during the fight, moron.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That still doesn't explain why if the professor had more Pokemon they didn't use them.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Your answer is always completely made up with zero in-game support for it though.

  66. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The fact that there's a dinosaur version of a Pokemon that doesn't have an ancestor *is* the paradox.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >doesn't have an ancestor
      Source?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Can't breed

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The fricking franchise itself? I get that you're trying to be obtuse on purpose, but for frick's sake put some goddamn effort in to the series you claim to love so much you absolute slug.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >The fricking franchise itself?
          Then post a single reference to it in any of the games.

  67. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    yes exactly ho-oh created suicune (and the other legendary beasts) and no suicune is not the dead shitmon of the burnt tower reincarnation literally meaning to be reborn with a new identity and this new life was given by ho-oh who took the responsibility to make them reborn by giving them a new life and identity ho-oh shaped a new life from death

    that said raptor suicune is cool but doesn't make any fricking sense

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why doesnt it make any sense? Why cant it be just another mon that just looks like suicune a little?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        because you can't imitate the creation of a semi-god pokemon it is not a natural look but modified by someone

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Says who?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            SM/USUM says it with silvally a pokemon that imitates the divine arceus but it's not a natural pokemon but a laboratory chimera so far there is no pokemon that can naturally imitate a pokemon but they have all been created by someone

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              imitate=/=look similar

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                how can you look similiar to something created by a demigod

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                How can animals breathe fire????? How can animals shoot water???? It's a fricking fantasy game.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Not an argument, timetroony

  68. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I love men

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