In regards to the games it's been over 25 years so you can for sure shut the fuck up. Arieth dies when you get to the temple if the ancients because sephiroth kills her but she saves the world via the life stream and stops the meteor. Cloud was never in soldier. Arieth only likes cloud because he reminds her of Zack the biggest Chad that actually was in soldier.
Enjoy your remake.
>spoilers are invalidated with time
they're not though? There's always people who haven't caught up
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Anonymous
Spoilers don't matter because nothing equals seeing the events play out yourself.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
(You) also claim that you're only playing the nomura's wild ride version, which doesn't follow the original at all anyways, so it STILL wasn't spoiled for (you).
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Darth vader is Luke father
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If you don't want to get spoiled, stay off of the internet.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
the titanic crashes
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Anonymous
that's not a spoiler this is
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>elaborate ship assassination when you could just pop them in the head with a gun through some random hobo
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What's more they orchestrated whole wars for similar goals when will white people wake the fuck up
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Where's the fun in that?
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Anonymous
nta but you are definitely an asshole, there was no reason for that respond unless out of deliberate malice.
m8 the entire full game has existed since 1997, you can play the whole story in 35 hours if you want. There's even a very dedicated modder group 7thheaven who has made the base PC version very improved.
Why wait for a three chapter fullofbullshittimewasting "remake" that gutfucked the story in the first place.
Why pay $180+ for three games that only have the story of one game that already exists.
Current 18 year olds were born in 2005. Add a few years for them to grow enough to be able to play any games, and the original FF7 was already 3 console generations old. How many classics from three generations before you were born have you played?
Friendly reminder that if you played this scene on the PC version, that version is screwed up and has messed up music, and completely messes up the tone of the entire sequence.
I don't know if the console re-releases are based on the original PSX version or the PC version, so can't say whether those do the scene correctly or not.
I'm going to be autistic about this.
The original PSX version of this entire sequence
(Starts at 5:30:52, ends at 5:34:40)
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PC Version
(Starts at 17:09:57, ends at 17:13:50)
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This scene is supposed to play the "dark part" of FF7's main theme and loop up until Cloud grabs the sword where it switches to the "heroic, triumphant part of the main theme" as Cloud lifts Sephiroth and tosses him. The original PSX version (first video above) has that.
The PC version instead playts the main theme straight until it ends, then it's just silence. THEN it plays the normal reactor music during the Sephiroth stabbing Cloud, Cloud grabbing the sword, and tossing Sephiroth.
It completely messes up the scene.
This has been my autistic TED talk.
I don't believe so, no.
If you already know it's a thing, it's not TOO big a deal because you know how the scene is supposed to play out anyway.
It's more annoying when you know a new player has no idea what the scene is supposed to actually be like, and why it's such a cool scene for people who played it on its original release.
I felt the exact same way when I looked videos for that and saw that not all versions had that music play the way it did in the original.
For reference, I played the PSN version on a PSP. I saw some videos and the PS3 and Switch versions also have the correct sequences too, I believe they patched that in.
I played the PC version and I ddistinctly remember it being like the first link, you sure they didn't fix it after release? I know the music got patched because it used to be MIDI
The remaster is fucked in general. IIRC at several points in the game the music will be fucked. For example, when you encounter Yuffie it doesn't play her theme when you recruit her after the battle, it plays the world map theme. This happens at a few points in the game, instead of playing the intended track it'll play the previous track that played instead.
The Switch seems to have patched this issue, at least. Steam version still seems fucked and I can't find evidence of the PS4 version.
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Anonymous
There have been numerous patches for the PS4, XBONE, and Switch versions. All 3 had various fucked up problems, some shared between them and some different. IIRC the XBONE and Switch versions fixed the music issues but I don't think the PS4 version has.
It's just like how Cait Sith is carrying Manipulate when he forces his way into your party. Hey Isn't it weird that a traditionally helpful Moogle is carrying something like Manipulate? I could never imagine him being a spy or something like that
Nice, I didn't catch that, Cloud also starts with Lighting, pretty cool too. The game was full of soul.
I still seeth to this day that Rufus survived in AC and it's not Reeve leading Shinra.
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Also despite Cloud's claims of being a gigachad 1st class SOLDIER, he's at lv1 during the flashback because he never knew what it felt like to be that strong so he can't recreate it in his head. And it's not even a design oversight because at the start of the game he's at lv5, stronger because of Hojo's experiments, stronger than your average man aka Barrett, but still relatively weak
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you shouldnt take game mechanic stat levels as representative of the storytelling. you, the player has to start somewhere
what you're saying makes no sense when you consider Tifa, a normal human female, kicks as much ass as Cloud who can literally magically wield a 140 pound sword.
No, storywise, it's well understood Cloud is a mako-infused superhuman (after he recovers from the poisoning).
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Tifa, a normal human female
So is this the part where we ignore the training she went through under the super human Zangan or what?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's cool, he really should've started at lvl 1, starting in lvl 5 implies that he had some story.
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Anonymous
Good post, but he actually starts at level 6, with roughly 6 experience points to level 7, ensuring that after the very first encounter with two grunts, he will level up to 7.
Something something "missed his vital organs".
I mean from that particular screenshot it seems to me like it definitely should have pierced his spine at least but hey, it's Japan.
Cloud actually died due to mako poisoning. All of FF7 was just a dream. Even CC became a dream after Zack was placed in the mako machine, and succumbed to death ftom mako poisoning.
Reminder that Sephiroth has never beaten Cloud in a direct confrontation. >First Fight: Cloud just picks Sephiroth up and tosses him into the reactor. Sephiroth was so shocked at what was happening that his brain just completely white-noised as this happened. >Second Fight: Cloud defeats Sephiroth at the end of FF7 >Third Fight: Cloud gets his second win and pulls a new finisher out of his ass to defeat Sephiroth in Advent Children
The reason Sephiroth is so obsessed with Cloud is because NO ONE has ever managed to do this. Not Angeal, not Genesis, not Weiss. None of these guys can beat Sephiroth, yet Cloud can.
And when he tossed Sephiroth into the reactor he did it all with pure rage, no mako bullshit since it was before he got experimented on and became a potato. Basic bitch, normal grunt Cloud did that and he also managed to sneak up on Sephiroth and backstab him.
I mean in complete fairness, Sephiroth probably could have done something about it in the reactor. Like all Cloud did was just pick Sephiroth up and toss him. On paper, Sephiroth should have been able to counter that. It's just that the situation was just SO fucking nonsensical to him that his brain just fizzled out. Dude had no fucking clue what was going on so he couldn't even think to counter.
Reminder that Sephiroth has never beaten Cloud in a direct confrontation. >First Fight: Cloud just picks Sephiroth up and tosses him into the reactor. Sephiroth was so shocked at what was happening that his brain just completely white-noised as this happened. >Second Fight: Cloud defeats Sephiroth at the end of FF7 >Third Fight: Cloud gets his second win and pulls a new finisher out of his ass to defeat Sephiroth in Advent Children
The reason Sephiroth is so obsessed with Cloud is because NO ONE has ever managed to do this. Not Angeal, not Genesis, not Weiss. None of these guys can beat Sephiroth, yet Cloud can.
>the triumphant part of the main theme plays as soon as Cloud stands his ground and lifts Sephiroth up.
yup, still kino
I like them because they flesh out the First Class SOLDIERs while also making all SOLDIERs feel even more pointless and stupid because Cloud keeps kicking Sephiroth's ass.
Seriously, by all accounts, Cloud SHOULD Sephiroth's be inferior, and probably Weiss, Angeal and Genesis' as well. Fucker just keeps doing the impossible and keeps beating Sephiroth's ass. I actually kinda want the real Weiss and Genesis to appear in subsequent parts of the Remake, just so that Cloud can clown on them as well. This literal who nobody who never had any real SOLDIER training and doesn't know jack-shit just keeps making a mockery of all SOLDIERs as a whole.
It's the hard work beating natural talent shit every shonen manga tries to do but ends up failing at because they all inevitably introduce some bullshit power up to the MC.
Meanwhile Cloud is just a retard who got experimented on, and his experiments didn't even help him, just gave him more brain damage.
Yeah. Funny thing is there's never really been a proper, justifiable reason for why Cloud was able to beat Sephiroth each and every time. It's not like he's been through any sort of training from hell, and he didn't even have enough talent to join SOLDIER. Hell, we don't even have any proper explanation for why Cloud's as strong as he is period. Yeah, Zack imprinted on him, but would that really make him fight as well as Zack? Fight BETTER than Zack? 'Cause remember, Zack couldn't beat Sephiroth. Cloud has NEVER ONCE LOST to Sephiroth. Copying Zack would not make you stronger than Sephiroth. So we still don't really know why Cloud keeps winning.
It's just the reverse of Goku never beating Vegeta, but Vegeta jobbing all the fucking time to everything. Cloud is just made of anti-Sephiroth particles, even if Cloud spent his life jobbing to reality.
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Anonymous
In fairness, the difference is that Goku held back. Remember, he could have gone SS3 and one-shot Vegeta in the Boo arc.
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Anonymous
I mean, you don't see Sephiroth busting out the big moves every time he does anything right away either, do you?
Everyone thinks they're hot shit until someone goes tard rage on you. Sephiroth fought warriors, not a mongoloid, so it's natural he was taken by surprise at the gorilla retard strength.
After the first time, he was just in complete fucking denial.
After the second/third time, he was completely enraged.
And then after Advent Children, he came to realize that these fights with Cloud are literally the ONLY times he's ever had fun in his entire life.
Remember, no one else was ever on Sephiroth's level. Even Angeal and Genesis couldn't force him to fight seriously 2v1. In comes this hick from the boonies who does what literally no one else ever could.
And when he tossed Sephiroth into the reactor he did it all with pure rage, no mako bullshit since it was before he got experimented on and became a potato. Basic bitch, normal grunt Cloud did that and he also managed to sneak up on Sephiroth and backstab him.
Everyone thinks they're hot shit until someone goes tard rage on you. Sephiroth fought warriors, not a mongoloid, so it's natural he was taken by surprise at the gorilla retard strength.
It's almost as if it's not real and you can write whatever you want.
Seriously you sound like the same fucking gays that squeeze over superman pulling the earth with a big chain.
It's fun to try and explain plot holes or logical issues in storytelling, anon. Maybe you need to pull the cock out of your ass and put it back in your mouth so we don't have to hear your retard shit breath opinions?
And it’s funny how fanart or games outside of FFVII always portray Cloud vs. Sephiroth as if they’re equally-matched Bleach-esque fights while in game Sephiroth gets absolutely destroyed both times while underestimating him
Funnily enough, Sephiroth technically does win in Remake, at the very end when he disarms Cloud. But he seems dissatisfied with this. That Sephiroth seems to be from a point after his original final defeat, and he knows that Cloud hasn't reached his peak potential yet. He's only just barely left Midgar, he's only just started his journey, hence the "Not yet".
It has nothing to do with "a challenge" with Cloud.
Some prequel to Advent Children writing from the main writer of FF7 implies that Sephiroth while int he Lifestream realizes that he's fading away, so he needs to hyper focus on something in order to maintain his sense of self'-indentity and not just merge with the Lifestream. He decides to hyper focus on Cloud. Then Advent Children happens.
FF7 Remake Sephiroth is post-Advent Children Sephiroth. He still needs Cloud in order to maintain his "self", and he still needs Cloud to deliver the Black Materia to current timeline Sephiroth.
Note that I didn't say any of this is good writing. The lead writer of FF7 is actually fucking weird and bonkers, and full of a lot of bad ideas. But this is the lore behind why Remake-not-at-Northern-Creator-Sephiroth is the way he is.
Sephiroth doesn't want Cloud to die in Remake. He even says as such.
"Our planet will become a part of it one day....But I will not end. Nor will I let you end."
Cloud is literally the best thing to happen to Sephiroth in his life in some weird and fucked up way. Plus, he seems to want Cloud's help for some upcoming battle with destiny or something.
Cloud is the only thing in Sephiroth's life that wasn't a disappointment. Granted, he had no expectations from the start, but Cloud's still the only one who keeps surpassing expectations.
>Plus, he seems to want Cloud's help for some upcoming battle with destiny or something
My guess is, Sephiroth is immortal as long as he exists inside the planet's lifestream. But, the planet itself will one day return to an even greater cosmic lifestream (they talk about this in Dirge of Cerberus), and Sephiroth knows that when that happens, the planet's life will be absorbed back into the flow and him along with it, so he wants some way to prevent that from happening.
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Anonymous
>even greater cosmic lifestream
Okay and after that?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
lifestreams all the way down
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Anonymous
Presumably it works the same way that the planet's lifestream does just on a cosmic scale, i.e. the planet's soul rejoins the flow and eventually a new planet is born from it. I'm almost positive that's what Sephiroth is talking about when he says "our world will become part of it one day." DoC is all about how the deepground fags are trying to jumpstart the planet's return to the cosmic flow ahead of schedule, and that game ends with Genesis saying that he and Weiss still have work to do, so that could be the endgame for the remake: Genesis and his buttbuddies trying to force the planet back into the cosmic cycle and Sephiroth trying to stop them because he's happy being an immortal parasite
In the next remake events with Aerith will play out normally, until you get to her stabbing scene. Sephiroth will plunge downward to kill her as expected, only for Sephiroth to come out of nowhere and tackle her out of the way. Sephiroth will do this because he knows the catalyst for his defeat was killing Aerith, so to prevent his defeat he has to spoil his own assassination attempt and ensure she lives.
Screenshot if you don't believe this is what will happen.
Sephiroth's obsession with Cloud can be summarized "Sephiroth's salty runback against Cloud" also i love that not matter which game is, if Cloud is there he is going to appear soon or later.
I tried to preserve jrpg authenticity but in time I had removed the main drive and romance in a game that is best read and felt like a game of friendship and passion for life as a teenager in a giant game against the hyper nation cells
can someone explain to me what was up with sephiroth and clouds hallucinations? I played the game when I was a kid and completely lost the plot after the city levels. So Sephiroth was dead the whole time? And the reason he went bad in the first place is because he found out about his alien mommy and that was enough to make him murder his buddies? And then after that cloud pretends to be zack and tries to hook up with his girlfriend? And then the final boss is just the alien mommy who wants to destroy the world cause reasons without having any personal connection to protagonists, except for that they may have gone around dressed like sephiroth to fuck with cloud and co for the lolz? I think I liked this game more when I had no idea what was happening.
Cloud was having visions because Sephiroth was fucking with his mind because magic.
Sephiroth was alive, just chilling in his mana cocoon up in the North, until Cloud and co. came by and killed him at the end of FF7.
After that his spirit merged with the lifestream because Square wanted to keep the gravy train alive. They also gave Cloud cancer. Now Sephiorth is basically a force ghost that can manifest just to fuck with Cloud because he has nothing better to do with his time.
In FF7R it's all alternate reality/time travel shenanigans and Ghost Sephiroth going back in time to fuck with Cloud, because he has nothing better to do with his time.
>So Sephiroth was dead the whole time?
He died multiple times, yeah, but always reincarnate in other subjects carrying the Jenova cells. I believe that when Cloud stabbed him, though, he went to that crystal and didn't really die.
The hallucinations are from the Mako/Jenova experiments fucking with his brain. He recovers inside the lifestream with Tifa's help though.
>And the reason he went bad in the first place is because he found out about his alien mommy and that was enough to make him murder his buddies?
No, he went bad because he knew that his will was Jenova's will and he fought against it and controlled Jenova's cell.
>And then the final boss is just the alien mommy who wants to destroy the world cause reasons without having any personal connection to protagonists,
She's an alien, I believe that Shiva is connect to her, I don't remember the details, but basically it wants to consume and thrive.
Jenova is literally just "alien eldritch horror" thing which corrupts, which doesn't necessarily give you a good villain to actually emotionally get invested in. So Sephiroth sort of serves as that part of things. But it's really ultimately about Jenova.
the only time you see the real sephiroth is when you see him at the crater i think.
every other iteration of him, minus the flashbacks with him, are jenova. though it's arguable if it's all jenova or sephiroth controlling jenova's body, which escapes when you're in the holding cell in the shinra building.
but i'm also not sure if sephiroth was manipulaitng jenova or if jenova was manipulating sephiroth.
I was always under the assumption that it was a Sephiroth that's twisted by Jenova's will, and Jenova isn't so much like a human plotting anything, but more just an alien abomination simply reacting and instinctually doing things it needs to in order to survive and spread.
Bishie fanboys think it's Sephy because they think he's much cooler while nerds like us think it's JENOVA because she's much cooler than Sephy. In truth it's clearly implied to be Sephy even in the OG game and JENOVA is just another dogshit theory like Squall is dead and, whoops, I guess FF9 was too boring to have theories.
I agree, but that's the point of Sephiroth being so cool, he controlled his will and surpassed Jenova, that's why he's becoming that Jenova like being by the end. He subdued her.
But then in Advent Children Jenova chose him and mutate Kadaj into Sephiroth, so it's confusing.
It's easy enough to work out, just ignore that dogshit story and also any other FF7 supplement tale and Nomura should deepthroat a stack of Ramuh materia before throwing himself in a man-sized microwave.
Something I just noticed with the remake is that half the reason the time jannies keep getting involved is because Cloud keeps going off-script. Cloud's a lot more of an asshole in the remake compared to the original, more selfish. He never even considers giving the flower to Marlene, which might have caused Barret to see him in a better light instead of decide to kick him out. He tried to kill Reno, something he never did in the original. So something is compelling Cloud to be more of a dick than he originally was.
I don't believe this, I believe tifa will get killed instead because "hurr durr, muh subverted expectations", and consoomers keep rewarding that shit.
In the next remake events with Aerith will play out normally, until you get to her stabbing scene. Sephiroth will plunge downward to kill her as expected, only for Sephiroth to come out of nowhere and tackle her out of the way. Sephiroth will do this because he knows the catalyst for his defeat was killing Aerith, so to prevent his defeat he has to spoil his own assassination attempt and ensure she lives.
Screenshot if you don't believe this is what will happen.
Due to Sephiroth saving Aerith from Sephiroth, Zack will be trying to kill her as he knows it's the only way to set the timeline right. So you will have Sephiroth trying to kill her, Zack trying to kill her, and Sephiroth trying to save her. This will spin wildly out of control, until...
A fourth Sephiroth from a timeline where he never went insane appears, and joins the party, trying to set the timeline straight once and for all. He will reveal he is the one who created the time jannies to attempt to stop the other Sephiroth's meddling, but didn't account for Zack going ape shit either, so he was forced to intervene personally. This is played completely straight, and this Sephiroth has two angel wings. He eventually reveals the events of FF7 were also the result of meddling, and he has been trying to correct it all for eons to lead to his one true perfect ending, the world united against Shrina and peace with the planet as a whole.
Just to really piss off everyone, I want for Sephiroth to not be the actual final villain of the Remake games, and for you to just here Gackt's stupid ass voice as Genesis walks into the scene to reveal he was the bad guy all along.
read a cool anons theory when game first release that this "cloud" actually made it to SOLDIER but just not 1st class so thats why hes homocidal and blah blah blah going to get killed when the timelines merge etc. fits with all the times hes going murder hobo along with all the other "new" stuff. just like aeris needs to die cloud needs to have failed but now jesses and biggs are alive so its just milking the gravy train at this point.
It's really amazing how the "Aerith dies" twist basically is so well known that it overshadows the TRUE twist of the game, so that new players are still shocked at what happens.
A lot of the gravity of the "true twist" comes from bad translation so people don't realize that "clone" means an attempted recreation of a person with Sephiroth's abilities and not a biological copy. Sephiroth mind breaking Cloud with half truths and zeroing in on plot holes in his own story, and then those plot holes being subverted yet again by the person who's always been with Cloud is actually really cool but you don't really get the gravity of how much Tifa had to unravel on your first game.
Then again some people think Tidus fucking time traveled so maybe gamers are just stupid.
>Then again some people think Tidus fucking time traveled so maybe gamers are just stupid.
I could see thinking that if they never got far into FF10, but anyone who thinks that after knowing what Zanarkand is, is just retarded.
you have to see this through the japanese story telling pov.
Cloud's desire to get revenge for his hometown, mother, and tifa made him stronger than sephiroth in that moment. For whatever reason or detail, the sword impalement didn't strike a part that would do instant lethal or incapacitating damage (like cutting the spine, OPs pic is silly) and Cloud's righteous anger gave him the strength to defy Sephiroth and throw him into the wall/into the reactor core.
Have to keep in mind to, Cloud was able to strike his leg in the previous scene. Seph had a debilitating injury and was limping away.
Clouda is a mega turbo super coola hero who can fight win against anything even other big strong and almost like other even more super turbo mega coola big guys with big supero coola sword like Sephiroth. He's so badass that he can also use almost as coola but not as coola fire balls and lightings to beat up that evil (but still mega coola in my opinion even though he's very bad and evil) Sephirotha who is so bad and bad and evil that he will summon the big bad evil alien with a big bad superpwoers to kill! Not beat up! Not delete! Freaking KILL! KILL! (It was the only moment in the game where it felt like it was made for more grown ups then smaller grown ups) less coola and less badadass guys and make ultra coola (but bad bad evil) Speriroth be the most super mega coola guy with the biggest and stroger mega coola sword in the world. Could can hopefully stop him because he actually (it's a BIG twist) is the real STRONGEST guy in the world with the most super turbo mega coola sword that can deafete bigger coola swords and big bad aliens. Final Fantasy 7 is the most coola and mega game I played in my entire life and I got it for my birthday from my mom 20 years ego. Now I'm 35 years old so my mom who lives in the living room next to me now buys me more grownup games with (not say it to your younger brother if he wants to play) guns for more grown up pepole instead of swords for less grown ups. I'm the biggest Final Fantasy 7 fan in the world and if anyone wants to join my thread about did then that guy can join me if he promises to not use bad BAD words and talk like a friend. We can spend the entire thread posting two times longer posts from this one where we talk about how Cloud got that big mega coola sword, or how big mega coola Sephiroth go his mega coola jacket, or how big mega coola hero Zack foght with that slammel strong coola heros and how he got new big mega coola pants. Everyone is welcome.
Who's actually the main writer of the series?
I remember an anon saying that in one of the novels Sephiroth had to survive somehow, so he lived through people's memories in the lifestream and that's why he'd demoniac in AC.
I'm reading now that he could maintain his sense of self because of Cloud? I don't know anything anymore.
The series is excessvely convoluted.
When I've watched AC I thought that the geostigma was the Jenova's cells acting up and that's why Kadaj and the other 2 clones were planning a new reunion and that was how that holy water cleared the cells.
Nomura and Nojima. I think the book you are referring to is the white/black short story about Sephiroth and Aerith in the lifestream prior to Advent Children. That was written by Nojima.
Most of the recent games have Nojima credited as writter and Nomura as producer with Kitase as director. I'm sure they all work together on some level.
While there is a credited main writer, the truth is everyone were just discussing ideas around the offices during development. Interviews suggests that FF6's develoment team was very very small, like 10 people, which is how they were able to balance the wide cast of characters so perfectly story-wise.
Who's credited as the main writer of FF7? There are 4 in the wiki, the rest of the compilation was mainly Nomura.
The very original treatment of VII was written by Sakaguchi himself, and it was largely a story meant to represent how someone passing away does not mean they're truly gone, and he wanted there to be a death that is more real and not "Hollywood death". People don't know any more details than that.
The actual 7 script ended up really different, but sort of uses the original idea to make the Lifestream, and death obviously plays a big part in 7's story.
Kitase and Nojima co-wrote FF7, but making games in Japan back during this time was a bit different than how we'd think now, where everyone sort of gives some input in everything, which is why Nomura is not actually one of the "writers" and does character design, but he actually did have input in story stuff in 7.
Originally Kitase wanted for every single party member to die on the Return to Midgar sequence when theyr'e parachuting in, and for only Cloud and 2 other characters you choose to survive. Nomura convinced him it was a bad idea.
Another interesting thing: Kitase and Nojima are the ones who wanted 7 Remake to be this alternate kind of thing, while Nomura wanted it to be more faithful to the OG games. He was sort of overruled.
It's especially weird since Nomura is known for doing really crazy ass shit in the Kingdom Hearts story, but he's very grounded when it comes to 7 for some reason.
I see, thanks for the explanation.
The best way to view it is that compilation is mainly a Nomura thing and is a one-way canon into it's own thing.
FFVII is a complete story, it can't be a true sequel because not everyone involved in the original game back to develop the compilation. That's why everything feels off and self-contradicting.
Do you know if Kitase and Nojima were heavily involved in the compilation?
>Do you know if Kitase and Nojima were heavily involved in the compilation?
Nojima is the lead writter for every FF7 thing since Crisis Core. Kinase has been a producer or director for nearly everything FF7.
>compilation
You got it reversed. A lot of compilation writing nonsense is Nojima and Kitase again. Nomura served as director on a lot of them, though.
People really forget how bat shit weird and nutty the actual OG 7 writers are, and throw it on Nomura because of Kingdom Hearts. But it's largely a lot of weird nonsense because the OG writers got a lot of weird ideas, and a lot of it doesn't necessarily work well a bunch of the time.
The very original treatment of VII was written by Sakaguchi himself, and it was largely a story meant to represent how someone passing away does not mean they're truly gone, and he wanted there to be a death that is more real and not "Hollywood death". People don't know any more details than that.
The actual 7 script ended up really different, but sort of uses the original idea to make the Lifestream, and death obviously plays a big part in 7's story.
Kitase and Nojima co-wrote FF7, but making games in Japan back during this time was a bit different than how we'd think now, where everyone sort of gives some input in everything, which is why Nomura is not actually one of the "writers" and does character design, but he actually did have input in story stuff in 7.
Originally Kitase wanted for every single party member to die on the Return to Midgar sequence when theyr'e parachuting in, and for only Cloud and 2 other characters you choose to survive. Nomura convinced him it was a bad idea.
Another interesting thing: Kitase and Nojima are the ones who wanted 7 Remake to be this alternate kind of thing, while Nomura wanted it to be more faithful to the OG games. He was sort of overruled.
It's especially weird since Nomura is known for doing really crazy ass shit in the Kingdom Hearts story, but he's very grounded when it comes to 7 for some reason.
>Another interesting thing: Kitase and Nojima are the ones who wanted 7 Remake to be this alternate kind of thing, while Nomura wanted it to be more faithful to the OG games. He was sort of overruled.
source? this is interesting. that's the last thing i would've expected from nomura.
The main part is from an interview in 2020, I saw other tidbits elsewhere but I can't recall what those were from.
It's not letting me post the damn link because it's registering as spam by Ganker for some annoying ass reason (archive link).
The important part:
Kitase: I personally envisioned quite a dramatic change overall, but our director; Tetsuya Nomura and co-director; Naoki Hamaguchi, wanted to keep the beloved aspects in the original as much as possible. Eventually the development team decided to focus on respecting the original while adding in new elements, ensuring a delicate balance between the two.
The 7 Remake we got was a compromise. Kitase wanted to go even harder on Remake being completely different.
They really should've done that and also they shouldn't have called it remake.
>Do you know if Kitase and Nojima were heavily involved in the compilation?
Nojima is the lead writter for every FF7 thing since Crisis Core. Kinase has been a producer or director for nearly everything FF7.
I see, we can consider everything canon then, they are into everything together.
>compilation
You got it reversed. A lot of compilation writing nonsense is Nojima and Kitase again. Nomura served as director on a lot of them, though.
People really forget how bat shit weird and nutty the actual OG 7 writers are, and throw it on Nomura because of Kingdom Hearts. But it's largely a lot of weird nonsense because the OG writers got a lot of weird ideas, and a lot of it doesn't necessarily work well a bunch of the time.
Well Kingdom Hearts is essentially Nomura's sole domain. It's his almost entirely his responsibility. Yes, Nojima's the writer but Nomura's the boss. On the other hand, while he was involved in FF7, he wasn't the boss there and I guess in his mind, Kitase, Sakaguchi and Nojima outrank him, so he's probably more grounded.
But Nomura is Kitase's favorite, and Kitase's always expressed a desire for a FF7 remake with Nomura at the helm, hence the current situation. In regards to the Compilation, Nomura was also sort of the action director. The original premise behind Advent Children was almost exclusively just Nomura getting a chance to direct some cool action scenes. That was like 90% of the point of the project. The story was half-baked, but the story was never the point of it. The point was the fights. Everything, including Geostigma, exists purely to give Cloud an excuse to fight.
>He was sort of overruled.
According to interviews, it was more of a compromise. So the changes we got were still toned-down from what Kitase and Nojima originally wanted.
But yeah, it's crazy to think Nomura and Toriyama were actually the voices of reason this time around.
>he's very grounded when it comes to 7 for some reason.
Probably because it was his breakout game and he poured a lot of his favorite ideas into it. Before then he was just a creature designer that dabbled in character designs. With VII, not only did he get full control over the design, but huge creative input on the writing too.
Honestly, Shinra power scaling is kinda fucked, especially in Remake.
So Roche is 3rd Class, but he actually qualifies at least for 2nd according to his profile. He's definitely stronger than his rank suggests, he's just too much of a loose cannon. Cloud just straight up runs circles around him, dude's no match at all.
And then Cloud fights Reno, and he seems to struggle a tiny bit more in that fight than against Roche, which implies that the Turks are on average stronger than 2nd Class SOLDIERs. I don't really know how strong Reno's supposed to be, but he seems to be weaker than Rude.
And then there's Rufus, who's stronger than all of them, but Cloud still beats him 1v1. Struggles a little more, but he still has Rufus' number.
So the Shinra power scaling as of FF7R is:
Rufus > Rude > Reno > Roche (SOLDIER 2nd-tier) > SOLDIER 3rd Class (elite mook)
Was there ever any doubt? The TURKS are like a cadre of hand-picked talented indivduals, of course they're better than SOLDIER.
>Another interesting thing: Kitase and Nojima are the ones who wanted 7 Remake to be this alternate kind of thing, while Nomura wanted it to be more faithful to the OG games. He was sort of overruled.
source? this is interesting. that's the last thing i would've expected from nomura.
Making the worst possible decision? Sounds right up his alley to me.
MAKO's probably just a cost-effective method of mass-producing supersoldiers, I imagine the Turks have super-rare and expensive gear and materia. Like shit your party can't even get in the game.
Turks have always been somewhere on par with 1st class SOLDIERs or just below them, depending on the Turk.
I see Turks as elite spooks/special forces.
I see SOLDIERs similar to like Green Berets. Elite regular army, but still regular army. You wouldn't send a SOLDIER to do something you need a Turk for, and you wouldn't send a Turk to war because they're not soldiers.
Cloud's also one of the few "perfect" SOLDIERs. He lacks the cellular degeneration of other SOLDIERs due to being injected with pure S-Cells. There were others, the numbered Sephiroth "clones", but they all lost their marbles. Cloud is the only "SOLDIER" other than Sephiroth who doesn't suffer from cellular degeneration and is also capable of, like, living like a normal person.
I mean, maybe Weiss too but I'm still not entirely certain what his deal is. Genesis got healed too I guess.
The method itself is flawed. Trying to inject Jenova cells into a human being inevitably results in cellular degradation. Project G and Project S both attempted to remedy these issues, but Project G failed while Project S produced one success. Because Sephiroth was injected with Jenova cells as a fetus, he's a more complete, "perfect" bearer of Jenova's cells and was immune to cellular degradation. Hojo experimented with injecting Sephiroth's cells, S-Cells, into subjects, hoping to pass on his immunity to them. Most basically lost their minds, but Cloud alone managed to snap out of his stupor. Because he was injected with Sephiroth's cells, he's immune to degradation.
Right, so it's related to the Jenova Project. So SOLDIER who only undergo mako infusion, and not Jenova cell treatment, shouldn't degrade.
I guess the First Soldier gang have a chance at surviving after all.
That would be impossible since SOLDIER existed before the Jenova project. Deepground was originally a hospital for treating them before it became the Jenova project reject freakshow.
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The Jenova Project started 30 years prior to the start of FF7. The SOLDIER initiative is an offshoot of that project.
All the over the top shit Cloud manages and survives are linked to Tifa. >fell off from Mt. Nibel as kid? He was with Tifa >As a teen fell off Mt Ninel again with Sephiroth and Zack and other Shinra grunt? Tifa was there >Survived being stabbed by Sephiroth and yoinked Sephiroth to Mako pit? Sephiroth had just slashed Tifa >Came to from being 5 years in Nibelheim Mansion basement and experimented as vegetable, carried to Midgar by Zack , crawling to Midgar train station and suddenly came to? Tifa found him >Survived the fall from Mako Reactor to Aerith's church? Tifa was there >Survived dip to the Life Stream and mako poisoning? Tifa was there
And when he failed joining Soldier? >Tifa was literally on the exact other side of the Planet. Cloud and Tifa being farthest they possibly could be apart from each other
The power of wanting to show off to your childhood crush is one helluva power up
Red XIII and the female he mated with to produce offspring sure has hell didn't die. Same with the ancestors of the flock of birds flying in the ending. Did humans die? It was up to debate until Advent Children
>How did Cloud survive after being stabbed by Sephiroth
Wasn't he put into the Soldier tube afterwards which fucked up his memories and made him a Soldier?
He didn't
use spoiler tag gay
It's been over a decade. Come off it
i played only the remake ff7 and waiting for the second part you cunt
shut up fag
why
FF7R is a sequel. Aerith and Sephiroth know that the original events already happened.
FF7R has nothing to do with FF7.
it's all timeline fanfic shit with alternate universe copy character that don't matter.
>fanfic
>alternate universe
It's a direct sequel made and endorsed by the original scenario designers. Cope.
In regards to the games it's been over 25 years so you can for sure shut the fuck up. Arieth dies when you get to the temple if the ancients because sephiroth kills her but she saves the world via the life stream and stops the meteor. Cloud was never in soldier. Arieth only likes cloud because he reminds her of Zack the biggest Chad that actually was in soldier.
Enjoy your remake.
asshole
Say that to me 20 years ago and maybe
>spoilers are invalidated with time
they're not though? There's always people who haven't caught up
Spoilers don't matter because nothing equals seeing the events play out yourself.
(You) also claim that you're only playing the nomura's wild ride version, which doesn't follow the original at all anyways, so it STILL wasn't spoiled for (you).
Darth vader is Luke father
If you don't want to get spoiled, stay off of the internet.
the titanic crashes
that's not a spoiler this is
>elaborate ship assassination when you could just pop them in the head with a gun through some random hobo
What's more they orchestrated whole wars for similar goals when will white people wake the fuck up
Where's the fun in that?
nta but you are definitely an asshole, there was no reason for that respond unless out of deliberate malice.
m8 the entire full game has existed since 1997, you can play the whole story in 35 hours if you want. There's even a very dedicated modder group 7thheaven who has made the base PC version very improved.
Why wait for a three chapter fullofbullshittimewasting "remake" that gutfucked the story in the first place.
Why pay $180+ for three games that only have the story of one game that already exists.
Dont forget to engage the feeling shield next time you post here
If you're posting on fucking Ganker of all places, then you have zero excuse to at least know about the most famous death in video game history.
Also, Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father.
>Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father.
No vey, dat simply cannot be true
You’re playing a sequel, haven’t you realised it?
It is not remake it`s spin-off or sequel in alternative timeline it has nothing to do with FFVII.
>it has nothing to do with FFVII.
it's literally a sequel. So it DOES have something to do with FFVII
That's your fault, and for only engaging with that modern shit, (YOU) are part of the problem. Also, you need to be 18+ to be here
Current 18 year olds were born in 2005. Add a few years for them to grow enough to be able to play any games, and the original FF7 was already 3 console generations old. How many classics from three generations before you were born have you played?
>he's playing the schizo, alternate universe sequel
lmao
You're never going to see this happen anyways then lmao
>He thinks the remake is actually going to follow the storyline of the original
lol
play the original first, you retard
I don't care about some faggy game
test
Raped lmao white bitches co sign your contract and get to the gang sex in thread we need suicide units
I absolutely hate this particular anime "reinterpretation" of this scene. It's trash.
Thankfully it came and went and no one really ever discussed it again
>ova has sephiroth willingly jumping into the mako/lifestream instead of cloud throwing his ass against the reactor and falling inside
Amateur
>How did Cloud survive after being stabbed by Sephiroth?
ez
Friendly reminder that if you played this scene on the PC version, that version is screwed up and has messed up music, and completely messes up the tone of the entire sequence.
I don't know if the console re-releases are based on the original PSX version or the PC version, so can't say whether those do the scene correctly or not.
I'm going to be autistic about this.
The original PSX version of this entire sequence
(Starts at 5:30:52, ends at 5:34:40)
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PC Version
(Starts at 17:09:57, ends at 17:13:50)
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This scene is supposed to play the "dark part" of FF7's main theme and loop up until Cloud grabs the sword where it switches to the "heroic, triumphant part of the main theme" as Cloud lifts Sephiroth and tosses him. The original PSX version (first video above) has that.
The PC version instead playts the main theme straight until it ends, then it's just silence. THEN it plays the normal reactor music during the Sephiroth stabbing Cloud, Cloud grabbing the sword, and tossing Sephiroth.
It completely messes up the scene.
This has been my autistic TED talk.
I appreciate your autism anon
Any mods that fix this?
I don't believe so, no.
If you already know it's a thing, it's not TOO big a deal because you know how the scene is supposed to play out anyway.
It's more annoying when you know a new player has no idea what the scene is supposed to actually be like, and why it's such a cool scene for people who played it on its original release.
*Applause*
I felt the exact same way when I looked videos for that and saw that not all versions had that music play the way it did in the original.
For reference, I played the PSN version on a PSP. I saw some videos and the PS3 and Switch versions also have the correct sequences too, I believe they patched that in.
It's good to know that some of the console versions does the scene correctly, glad it's not something that's just lost.
I played the PC version and I ddistinctly remember it being like the first link, you sure they didn't fix it after release? I know the music got patched because it used to be MIDI
This happens with the "remaster" version as well, at least the PS4 version.
That means that the PS4 version is probably based on the old Eidos PC version of 7 as well. That's sort of disappointing.
The remaster is fucked in general. IIRC at several points in the game the music will be fucked. For example, when you encounter Yuffie it doesn't play her theme when you recruit her after the battle, it plays the world map theme. This happens at a few points in the game, instead of playing the intended track it'll play the previous track that played instead.
The Switch seems to have patched this issue, at least. Steam version still seems fucked and I can't find evidence of the PS4 version.
There have been numerous patches for the PS4, XBONE, and Switch versions. All 3 had various fucked up problems, some shared between them and some different. IIRC the XBONE and Switch versions fixed the music issues but I don't think the PS4 version has.
That means the actual true source code of FF7 for PS1 prior to the PC port is lost.
Didn't he have a lucky materia in these scenes? I don't remember exactly.
He had Pre-Emptive, the materia that improves odds of getting a back attack
Oh, yeah, that's how he pulled it off. It's a small details, but I've always found it smart.
It's just like how Cait Sith is carrying Manipulate when he forces his way into your party. Hey Isn't it weird that a traditionally helpful Moogle is carrying something like Manipulate? I could never imagine him being a spy or something like that
Nice, I didn't catch that, Cloud also starts with Lighting, pretty cool too. The game was full of soul.
I still seeth to this day that Rufus survived in AC and it's not Reeve leading Shinra.
Also despite Cloud's claims of being a gigachad 1st class SOLDIER, he's at lv1 during the flashback because he never knew what it felt like to be that strong so he can't recreate it in his head. And it's not even a design oversight because at the start of the game he's at lv5, stronger because of Hojo's experiments, stronger than your average man aka Barrett, but still relatively weak
you shouldnt take game mechanic stat levels as representative of the storytelling. you, the player has to start somewhere
what you're saying makes no sense when you consider Tifa, a normal human female, kicks as much ass as Cloud who can literally magically wield a 140 pound sword.
No, storywise, it's well understood Cloud is a mako-infused superhuman (after he recovers from the poisoning).
>Tifa, a normal human female
So is this the part where we ignore the training she went through under the super human Zangan or what?
That's cool, he really should've started at lvl 1, starting in lvl 5 implies that he had some story.
Good post, but he actually starts at level 6, with roughly 6 experience points to level 7, ensuring that after the very first encounter with two grunts, he will level up to 7.
Ice and Lightning*, just like a cloud.
Adrenaline. Tifa survived getting outright slashed by comparison.
Something something "missed his vital organs".
I mean from that particular screenshot it seems to me like it definitely should have pierced his spine at least but hey, it's Japan.
>missed his vital organs
ALL OF THEM!?
Stay down cloud
the hole in his chest allowed mako to enter his body, or something
Cloud actually died due to mako poisoning. All of FF7 was just a dream. Even CC became a dream after Zack was placed in the mako machine, and succumbed to death ftom mako poisoning.
Also I wrote that post and I'm also a dream and a huge gay fuck my face please hurf durf
Headcanon fan theorists are the cringiest gays on this board. Even worse than Sega autists turned xchuds
>#DiabloIV
Why are people so lazy nowadays?
I didn't catch that. I've been meaning to make a transparency of that one to use as a template will have to remember to erase that #
Reminder that Sephiroth has never beaten Cloud in a direct confrontation.
>First Fight: Cloud just picks Sephiroth up and tosses him into the reactor. Sephiroth was so shocked at what was happening that his brain just completely white-noised as this happened.
>Second Fight: Cloud defeats Sephiroth at the end of FF7
>Third Fight: Cloud gets his second win and pulls a new finisher out of his ass to defeat Sephiroth in Advent Children
The reason Sephiroth is so obsessed with Cloud is because NO ONE has ever managed to do this. Not Angeal, not Genesis, not Weiss. None of these guys can beat Sephiroth, yet Cloud can.
And when he tossed Sephiroth into the reactor he did it all with pure rage, no mako bullshit since it was before he got experimented on and became a potato. Basic bitch, normal grunt Cloud did that and he also managed to sneak up on Sephiroth and backstab him.
I mean in complete fairness, Sephiroth probably could have done something about it in the reactor. Like all Cloud did was just pick Sephiroth up and toss him. On paper, Sephiroth should have been able to counter that. It's just that the situation was just SO fucking nonsensical to him that his brain just fizzled out. Dude had no fucking clue what was going on so he couldn't even think to counter.
All he had to do was let go of the sword.
He really likes that sword, though.
>the triumphant part of the main theme plays as soon as Cloud stands his ground and lifts Sephiroth up.
yup, still kino
>he did it all with pure rage,
Nope, they changed that in the remakes. Cloud only beat Sephiroth thanks to time janny fuckery.
Not canon
>Angeal
>Genesis
>Weiss
Who?
I like them because they flesh out the First Class SOLDIERs while also making all SOLDIERs feel even more pointless and stupid because Cloud keeps kicking Sephiroth's ass.
Seriously, by all accounts, Cloud SHOULD Sephiroth's be inferior, and probably Weiss, Angeal and Genesis' as well. Fucker just keeps doing the impossible and keeps beating Sephiroth's ass. I actually kinda want the real Weiss and Genesis to appear in subsequent parts of the Remake, just so that Cloud can clown on them as well. This literal who nobody who never had any real SOLDIER training and doesn't know jack-shit just keeps making a mockery of all SOLDIERs as a whole.
It's the hard work beating natural talent shit every shonen manga tries to do but ends up failing at because they all inevitably introduce some bullshit power up to the MC.
Meanwhile Cloud is just a retard who got experimented on, and his experiments didn't even help him, just gave him more brain damage.
Yeah. Funny thing is there's never really been a proper, justifiable reason for why Cloud was able to beat Sephiroth each and every time. It's not like he's been through any sort of training from hell, and he didn't even have enough talent to join SOLDIER. Hell, we don't even have any proper explanation for why Cloud's as strong as he is period. Yeah, Zack imprinted on him, but would that really make him fight as well as Zack? Fight BETTER than Zack? 'Cause remember, Zack couldn't beat Sephiroth. Cloud has NEVER ONCE LOST to Sephiroth. Copying Zack would not make you stronger than Sephiroth. So we still don't really know why Cloud keeps winning.
It's just the reverse of Goku never beating Vegeta, but Vegeta jobbing all the fucking time to everything. Cloud is just made of anti-Sephiroth particles, even if Cloud spent his life jobbing to reality.
In fairness, the difference is that Goku held back. Remember, he could have gone SS3 and one-shot Vegeta in the Boo arc.
I mean, you don't see Sephiroth busting out the big moves every time he does anything right away either, do you?
Everyone thinks they're hot shit until someone goes tard rage on you. Sephiroth fought warriors, not a mongoloid, so it's natural he was taken by surprise at the gorilla retard strength.
So I wonder how Sephiroth felt when he still got beat by the same mongoloid when he had God-like powers.
After the first time, he was just in complete fucking denial.
After the second/third time, he was completely enraged.
And then after Advent Children, he came to realize that these fights with Cloud are literally the ONLY times he's ever had fun in his entire life.
Remember, no one else was ever on Sephiroth's level. Even Angeal and Genesis couldn't force him to fight seriously 2v1. In comes this hick from the boonies who does what literally no one else ever could.
It's almost as if it's not real and you can write whatever you want.
Seriously you sound like the same fucking gays that squeeze over superman pulling the earth with a big chain.
It's fun to try and explain plot holes or logical issues in storytelling, anon. Maybe you need to pull the cock out of your ass and put it back in your mouth so we don't have to hear your retard shit breath opinions?
I just beat up sephiroth and cloud one handed.
And it’s funny how fanart or games outside of FFVII always portray Cloud vs. Sephiroth as if they’re equally-matched Bleach-esque fights while in game Sephiroth gets absolutely destroyed both times while underestimating him
Funnily enough, Sephiroth technically does win in Remake, at the very end when he disarms Cloud. But he seems dissatisfied with this. That Sephiroth seems to be from a point after his original final defeat, and he knows that Cloud hasn't reached his peak potential yet. He's only just barely left Midgar, he's only just started his journey, hence the "Not yet".
Just kill him right there, for fuck sake, fucking retarded anime tropes
No, he craves the challenge more than the win
It has nothing to do with "a challenge" with Cloud.
Some prequel to Advent Children writing from the main writer of FF7 implies that Sephiroth while int he Lifestream realizes that he's fading away, so he needs to hyper focus on something in order to maintain his sense of self'-indentity and not just merge with the Lifestream. He decides to hyper focus on Cloud. Then Advent Children happens.
FF7 Remake Sephiroth is post-Advent Children Sephiroth. He still needs Cloud in order to maintain his "self", and he still needs Cloud to deliver the Black Materia to current timeline Sephiroth.
Note that I didn't say any of this is good writing. The lead writer of FF7 is actually fucking weird and bonkers, and full of a lot of bad ideas. But this is the lore behind why Remake-not-at-Northern-Creator-Sephiroth is the way he is.
Sephiroth doesn't want Cloud to die in Remake. He even says as such.
"Our planet will become a part of it one day....But I will not end. Nor will I let you end."
Cloud is literally the best thing to happen to Sephiroth in his life in some weird and fucked up way. Plus, he seems to want Cloud's help for some upcoming battle with destiny or something.
Cloud is the only thing in Sephiroth's life that wasn't a disappointment. Granted, he had no expectations from the start, but Cloud's still the only one who keeps surpassing expectations.
>Plus, he seems to want Cloud's help for some upcoming battle with destiny or something
My guess is, Sephiroth is immortal as long as he exists inside the planet's lifestream. But, the planet itself will one day return to an even greater cosmic lifestream (they talk about this in Dirge of Cerberus), and Sephiroth knows that when that happens, the planet's life will be absorbed back into the flow and him along with it, so he wants some way to prevent that from happening.
>even greater cosmic lifestream
Okay and after that?
lifestreams all the way down
Presumably it works the same way that the planet's lifestream does just on a cosmic scale, i.e. the planet's soul rejoins the flow and eventually a new planet is born from it. I'm almost positive that's what Sephiroth is talking about when he says "our world will become part of it one day." DoC is all about how the deepground fags are trying to jumpstart the planet's return to the cosmic flow ahead of schedule, and that game ends with Genesis saying that he and Weiss still have work to do, so that could be the endgame for the remake: Genesis and his buttbuddies trying to force the planet back into the cosmic cycle and Sephiroth trying to stop them because he's happy being an immortal parasite
In the next remake events with Aerith will play out normally, until you get to her stabbing scene. Sephiroth will plunge downward to kill her as expected, only for Sephiroth to come out of nowhere and tackle her out of the way. Sephiroth will do this because he knows the catalyst for his defeat was killing Aerith, so to prevent his defeat he has to spoil his own assassination attempt and ensure she lives.
Screenshot if you don't believe this is what will happen.
I don't believe this, I believe tifa will get killed instead because "hurr durr, muh subverted expectations", and consoomers keep rewarding that shit.
In the same way Aerith knows she needs to die to stop him, so she'll just ask Cloud to kill her.
It's funnier in AC Complete because it shows Sephiroth absolutely demolishing his ass beforehand.
That's the power of having nothing that you don't cherish, better luck next time Sephiroth.
AC complete ruined the end of the sephiroth fight
He also got his ass kicked by Cloud again in his own reveal trailer for Smash.
Sephiroth's obsession with Cloud can be summarized "Sephiroth's salty runback against Cloud" also i love that not matter which game is, if Cloud is there he is going to appear soon or later.
I tried to preserve jrpg authenticity but in time I had removed the main drive and romance in a game that is best read and felt like a game of friendship and passion for life as a teenager in a giant game against the hyper nation cells
can someone explain to me what was up with sephiroth and clouds hallucinations? I played the game when I was a kid and completely lost the plot after the city levels. So Sephiroth was dead the whole time? And the reason he went bad in the first place is because he found out about his alien mommy and that was enough to make him murder his buddies? And then after that cloud pretends to be zack and tries to hook up with his girlfriend? And then the final boss is just the alien mommy who wants to destroy the world cause reasons without having any personal connection to protagonists, except for that they may have gone around dressed like sephiroth to fuck with cloud and co for the lolz? I think I liked this game more when I had no idea what was happening.
Cloud was having visions because Sephiroth was fucking with his mind because magic.
Sephiroth was alive, just chilling in his mana cocoon up in the North, until Cloud and co. came by and killed him at the end of FF7.
After that his spirit merged with the lifestream because Square wanted to keep the gravy train alive. They also gave Cloud cancer. Now Sephiorth is basically a force ghost that can manifest just to fuck with Cloud because he has nothing better to do with his time.
In FF7R it's all alternate reality/time travel shenanigans and Ghost Sephiroth going back in time to fuck with Cloud, because he has nothing better to do with his time.
Cloud had Jenova cells in him. Sephiroth is able to manipulate anyone that has Jenova cells in them.
>So Sephiroth was dead the whole time?
He died multiple times, yeah, but always reincarnate in other subjects carrying the Jenova cells. I believe that when Cloud stabbed him, though, he went to that crystal and didn't really die.
The hallucinations are from the Mako/Jenova experiments fucking with his brain. He recovers inside the lifestream with Tifa's help though.
>And the reason he went bad in the first place is because he found out about his alien mommy and that was enough to make him murder his buddies?
No, he went bad because he knew that his will was Jenova's will and he fought against it and controlled Jenova's cell.
>And then the final boss is just the alien mommy who wants to destroy the world cause reasons without having any personal connection to protagonists,
She's an alien, I believe that Shiva is connect to her, I don't remember the details, but basically it wants to consume and thrive.
Jenova is literally just "alien eldritch horror" thing which corrupts, which doesn't necessarily give you a good villain to actually emotionally get invested in. So Sephiroth sort of serves as that part of things. But it's really ultimately about Jenova.
the only time you see the real sephiroth is when you see him at the crater i think.
every other iteration of him, minus the flashbacks with him, are jenova. though it's arguable if it's all jenova or sephiroth controlling jenova's body, which escapes when you're in the holding cell in the shinra building.
but i'm also not sure if sephiroth was manipulaitng jenova or if jenova was manipulating sephiroth.
I was always under the assumption that it was a Sephiroth that's twisted by Jenova's will, and Jenova isn't so much like a human plotting anything, but more just an alien abomination simply reacting and instinctually doing things it needs to in order to survive and spread.
Bishie fanboys think it's Sephy because they think he's much cooler while nerds like us think it's JENOVA because she's much cooler than Sephy. In truth it's clearly implied to be Sephy even in the OG game and JENOVA is just another dogshit theory like Squall is dead and, whoops, I guess FF9 was too boring to have theories.
I agree, but that's the point of Sephiroth being so cool, he controlled his will and surpassed Jenova, that's why he's becoming that Jenova like being by the end. He subdued her.
But then in Advent Children Jenova chose him and mutate Kadaj into Sephiroth, so it's confusing.
It's easy enough to work out, just ignore that dogshit story and also any other FF7 supplement tale and Nomura should deepthroat a stack of Ramuh materia before throwing himself in a man-sized microwave.
Most of FF7 and related stuff being fucking weird is because of Kojima. Nomura is actually pretty shockingly tame when it comes to 7.
>Kojima
I mean Kitase. I'm fucking tired.
I knew it was Hideo Kojima's fault. Fukushima was the mastermind behind the series.
Played us like a damn fiddle
He tanked that. Then walked it off.
I love this motherfucker like you wouldn't believe. lmao
People die when they are killed
He didn't, it's all in le head
Hojo stuck him in a vat and pumped him full of Jenova, the real question is how did Tifa survive?
Something I just noticed with the remake is that half the reason the time jannies keep getting involved is because Cloud keeps going off-script. Cloud's a lot more of an asshole in the remake compared to the original, more selfish. He never even considers giving the flower to Marlene, which might have caused Barret to see him in a better light instead of decide to kick him out. He tried to kill Reno, something he never did in the original. So something is compelling Cloud to be more of a dick than he originally was.
nb4 Cloud is secretly possessed by a 2nd time traveling Sephiroth.
Due to Sephiroth saving Aerith from Sephiroth, Zack will be trying to kill her as he knows it's the only way to set the timeline right. So you will have Sephiroth trying to kill her, Zack trying to kill her, and Sephiroth trying to save her. This will spin wildly out of control, until...
A fourth Sephiroth from a timeline where he never went insane appears, and joins the party, trying to set the timeline straight once and for all. He will reveal he is the one who created the time jannies to attempt to stop the other Sephiroth's meddling, but didn't account for Zack going ape shit either, so he was forced to intervene personally. This is played completely straight, and this Sephiroth has two angel wings. He eventually reveals the events of FF7 were also the result of meddling, and he has been trying to correct it all for eons to lead to his one true perfect ending, the world united against Shrina and peace with the planet as a whole.
I want there to be multiple Sephiroths and for Cloud to fight them all at once on his own and STILL somehow fucking win
Final party will be the regular FF7 cast, Zack, and this good Sephiroth from the good timeline.
> good Sephiroth from the good timeline
Just to really piss off everyone, I want for Sephiroth to not be the actual final villain of the Remake games, and for you to just here Gackt's stupid ass voice as Genesis walks into the scene to reveal he was the bad guy all along.
read a cool anons theory when game first release that this "cloud" actually made it to SOLDIER but just not 1st class so thats why hes homocidal and blah blah blah going to get killed when the timelines merge etc. fits with all the times hes going murder hobo along with all the other "new" stuff. just like aeris needs to die cloud needs to have failed but now jesses and biggs are alive so its just milking the gravy train at this point.
remake cloud is based on the internet's perception of cloud
It's really amazing how the "Aerith dies" twist basically is so well known that it overshadows the TRUE twist of the game, so that new players are still shocked at what happens.
A lot of the gravity of the "true twist" comes from bad translation so people don't realize that "clone" means an attempted recreation of a person with Sephiroth's abilities and not a biological copy. Sephiroth mind breaking Cloud with half truths and zeroing in on plot holes in his own story, and then those plot holes being subverted yet again by the person who's always been with Cloud is actually really cool but you don't really get the gravity of how much Tifa had to unravel on your first game.
Then again some people think Tidus fucking time traveled so maybe gamers are just stupid.
>Then again some people think Tidus fucking time traveled so maybe gamers are just stupid.
I could see thinking that if they never got far into FF10, but anyone who thinks that after knowing what Zanarkand is, is just retarded.
His sword was dipped in Jenova serum from the tank, it saved Cloud
Sephiroth revived Cloud with Life2 out of habit.
He was walking out of that chamber like "Wait, what was the spell I used to double-tap ClooouAAAAAHHHHHH"
you have to see this through the japanese story telling pov.
Cloud's desire to get revenge for his hometown, mother, and tifa made him stronger than sephiroth in that moment. For whatever reason or detail, the sword impalement didn't strike a part that would do instant lethal or incapacitating damage (like cutting the spine, OPs pic is silly) and Cloud's righteous anger gave him the strength to defy Sephiroth and throw him into the wall/into the reactor core.
Have to keep in mind to, Cloud was able to strike his leg in the previous scene. Seph had a debilitating injury and was limping away.
Clouda is a mega turbo super coola hero who can fight win against anything even other big strong and almost like other even more super turbo mega coola big guys with big supero coola sword like Sephiroth. He's so badass that he can also use almost as coola but not as coola fire balls and lightings to beat up that evil (but still mega coola in my opinion even though he's very bad and evil) Sephirotha who is so bad and bad and evil that he will summon the big bad evil alien with a big bad superpwoers to kill! Not beat up! Not delete! Freaking KILL! KILL! (It was the only moment in the game where it felt like it was made for more grown ups then smaller grown ups) less coola and less badadass guys and make ultra coola (but bad bad evil) Speriroth be the most super mega coola guy with the biggest and stroger mega coola sword in the world. Could can hopefully stop him because he actually (it's a BIG twist) is the real STRONGEST guy in the world with the most super turbo mega coola sword that can deafete bigger coola swords and big bad aliens. Final Fantasy 7 is the most coola and mega game I played in my entire life and I got it for my birthday from my mom 20 years ego. Now I'm 35 years old so my mom who lives in the living room next to me now buys me more grownup games with (not say it to your younger brother if he wants to play) guns for more grown up pepole instead of swords for less grown ups. I'm the biggest Final Fantasy 7 fan in the world and if anyone wants to join my thread about did then that guy can join me if he promises to not use bad BAD words and talk like a friend. We can spend the entire thread posting two times longer posts from this one where we talk about how Cloud got that big mega coola sword, or how big mega coola Sephiroth go his mega coola jacket, or how big mega coola hero Zack foght with that slammel strong coola heros and how he got new big mega coola pants. Everyone is welcome.
so how's that kid named sephiroth doing?
Getting mad fangirl pussy. I'd be more worried about all the Shadowhearts being born right now.
Reminder that Nomura confirmed this animated short is no longer canon or part of the Compilation of FF7.
Good. Shit was stupid.
Who's actually the main writer of the series?
I remember an anon saying that in one of the novels Sephiroth had to survive somehow, so he lived through people's memories in the lifestream and that's why he'd demoniac in AC.
I'm reading now that he could maintain his sense of self because of Cloud? I don't know anything anymore.
The series is excessvely convoluted.
When I've watched AC I thought that the geostigma was the Jenova's cells acting up and that's why Kadaj and the other 2 clones were planning a new reunion and that was how that holy water cleared the cells.
Nomura and Nojima. I think the book you are referring to is the white/black short story about Sephiroth and Aerith in the lifestream prior to Advent Children. That was written by Nojima.
Like do they always write, like, in a co-work? Or do they write their own thing on their own and then try to merge all the ideas?
Can we say that Kitase stuff is non canon?
Most of the recent games have Nojima credited as writter and Nomura as producer with Kitase as director. I'm sure they all work together on some level.
While there is a credited main writer, the truth is everyone were just discussing ideas around the offices during development. Interviews suggests that FF6's develoment team was very very small, like 10 people, which is how they were able to balance the wide cast of characters so perfectly story-wise.
Who's credited as the main writer of FF7? There are 4 in the wiki, the rest of the compilation was mainly Nomura.
I see, thanks for the explanation.
The best way to view it is that compilation is mainly a Nomura thing and is a one-way canon into it's own thing.
FFVII is a complete story, it can't be a true sequel because not everyone involved in the original game back to develop the compilation. That's why everything feels off and self-contradicting.
Do you know if Kitase and Nojima were heavily involved in the compilation?
>Do you know if Kitase and Nojima were heavily involved in the compilation?
Nojima is the lead writter for every FF7 thing since Crisis Core. Kinase has been a producer or director for nearly everything FF7.
>compilation
You got it reversed. A lot of compilation writing nonsense is Nojima and Kitase again. Nomura served as director on a lot of them, though.
People really forget how bat shit weird and nutty the actual OG 7 writers are, and throw it on Nomura because of Kingdom Hearts. But it's largely a lot of weird nonsense because the OG writers got a lot of weird ideas, and a lot of it doesn't necessarily work well a bunch of the time.
we're having kino discussion in here, then theres this RETARD posting his fucking anime coomer shit in here
And yet you're the only one being offended by it.
>new ip
You weren't discussing shit.
fuck off you retard piece of shit, go back to /a/ and jack off there
No
>we're having kino discussion in here,
you weren't
The very original treatment of VII was written by Sakaguchi himself, and it was largely a story meant to represent how someone passing away does not mean they're truly gone, and he wanted there to be a death that is more real and not "Hollywood death". People don't know any more details than that.
The actual 7 script ended up really different, but sort of uses the original idea to make the Lifestream, and death obviously plays a big part in 7's story.
Kitase and Nojima co-wrote FF7, but making games in Japan back during this time was a bit different than how we'd think now, where everyone sort of gives some input in everything, which is why Nomura is not actually one of the "writers" and does character design, but he actually did have input in story stuff in 7.
Originally Kitase wanted for every single party member to die on the Return to Midgar sequence when theyr'e parachuting in, and for only Cloud and 2 other characters you choose to survive. Nomura convinced him it was a bad idea.
Another interesting thing: Kitase and Nojima are the ones who wanted 7 Remake to be this alternate kind of thing, while Nomura wanted it to be more faithful to the OG games. He was sort of overruled.
It's especially weird since Nomura is known for doing really crazy ass shit in the Kingdom Hearts story, but he's very grounded when it comes to 7 for some reason.
>Another interesting thing: Kitase and Nojima are the ones who wanted 7 Remake to be this alternate kind of thing, while Nomura wanted it to be more faithful to the OG games. He was sort of overruled.
source? this is interesting. that's the last thing i would've expected from nomura.
The main part is from an interview in 2020, I saw other tidbits elsewhere but I can't recall what those were from.
It's not letting me post the damn link because it's registering as spam by Ganker for some annoying ass reason (archive link).
The important part:
Kitase: I personally envisioned quite a dramatic change overall, but our director; Tetsuya Nomura and co-director; Naoki Hamaguchi, wanted to keep the beloved aspects in the original as much as possible. Eventually the development team decided to focus on respecting the original while adding in new elements, ensuring a delicate balance between the two.
The 7 Remake we got was a compromise. Kitase wanted to go even harder on Remake being completely different.
They really should've done that and also they shouldn't have called it remake.
I see, we can consider everything canon then, they are into everything together.
I see, yeah, I agree.
Well Kingdom Hearts is essentially Nomura's sole domain. It's his almost entirely his responsibility. Yes, Nojima's the writer but Nomura's the boss. On the other hand, while he was involved in FF7, he wasn't the boss there and I guess in his mind, Kitase, Sakaguchi and Nojima outrank him, so he's probably more grounded.
But Nomura is Kitase's favorite, and Kitase's always expressed a desire for a FF7 remake with Nomura at the helm, hence the current situation. In regards to the Compilation, Nomura was also sort of the action director. The original premise behind Advent Children was almost exclusively just Nomura getting a chance to direct some cool action scenes. That was like 90% of the point of the project. The story was half-baked, but the story was never the point of it. The point was the fights. Everything, including Geostigma, exists purely to give Cloud an excuse to fight.
>He was sort of overruled.
According to interviews, it was more of a compromise. So the changes we got were still toned-down from what Kitase and Nojima originally wanted.
But yeah, it's crazy to think Nomura and Toriyama were actually the voices of reason this time around.
>he's very grounded when it comes to 7 for some reason.
Probably because it was his breakout game and he poured a lot of his favorite ideas into it. Before then he was just a creature designer that dabbled in character designs. With VII, not only did he get full control over the design, but huge creative input on the writing too.
What's the official timeline now?
First Soldier
Before Crisis
Crisis Core
FF7
Advent Children
Dirge of Cerberus
FF7R
why did they put a pop idol in ac?
because pop idols suck producer cock.
I want pop idol to suck my cock
Honestly, Shinra power scaling is kinda fucked, especially in Remake.
So Roche is 3rd Class, but he actually qualifies at least for 2nd according to his profile. He's definitely stronger than his rank suggests, he's just too much of a loose cannon. Cloud just straight up runs circles around him, dude's no match at all.
And then Cloud fights Reno, and he seems to struggle a tiny bit more in that fight than against Roche, which implies that the Turks are on average stronger than 2nd Class SOLDIERs. I don't really know how strong Reno's supposed to be, but he seems to be weaker than Rude.
And then there's Rufus, who's stronger than all of them, but Cloud still beats him 1v1. Struggles a little more, but he still has Rufus' number.
So the Shinra power scaling as of FF7R is:
Rufus > Rude > Reno > Roche (SOLDIER 2nd-tier) > SOLDIER 3rd Class (elite mook)
Was there ever any doubt? The TURKS are like a cadre of hand-picked talented indivduals, of course they're better than SOLDIER.
Making the worst possible decision? Sounds right up his alley to me.
Yeah but they weren't doused in Mako. SOLDIERs are supposed to be superhuman.
MAKO's probably just a cost-effective method of mass-producing supersoldiers, I imagine the Turks have super-rare and expensive gear and materia. Like shit your party can't even get in the game.
Turks have always been somewhere on par with 1st class SOLDIERs or just below them, depending on the Turk.
Yeah but explain Rufus.
He has a REALLY strong gun
Didn't he also get Mako infusion shit like 1st class does?
I don't think he has mako eyes.
>Yeah but explain Rufus.
Expensive Materia
I see Turks as elite spooks/special forces.
I see SOLDIERs similar to like Green Berets. Elite regular army, but still regular army. You wouldn't send a SOLDIER to do something you need a Turk for, and you wouldn't send a Turk to war because they're not soldiers.
Literal retard strength, on top of tossing Sephiroth into the Make stream.
Shin-ra is gay, how do I pledge my loyalty to superior Wutai?
Talk to the dancing turtle man about fliers and break your teeth on beans.
Someone used Phoenix Down off screen.
Cloud's also one of the few "perfect" SOLDIERs. He lacks the cellular degeneration of other SOLDIERs due to being injected with pure S-Cells. There were others, the numbered Sephiroth "clones", but they all lost their marbles. Cloud is the only "SOLDIER" other than Sephiroth who doesn't suffer from cellular degeneration and is also capable of, like, living like a normal person.
I mean, maybe Weiss too but I'm still not entirely certain what his deal is. Genesis got healed too I guess.
I think that happened because he fell into the lifestream and it fixed him.
No S-cells lack the cellular degeneration. It was a big deal in Crisis Core.
Was the degeneration ever explicitly mentioned to be caused by Jenova cells? Or could it have been the mako infusion process?
The method itself is flawed. Trying to inject Jenova cells into a human being inevitably results in cellular degradation. Project G and Project S both attempted to remedy these issues, but Project G failed while Project S produced one success. Because Sephiroth was injected with Jenova cells as a fetus, he's a more complete, "perfect" bearer of Jenova's cells and was immune to cellular degradation. Hojo experimented with injecting Sephiroth's cells, S-Cells, into subjects, hoping to pass on his immunity to them. Most basically lost their minds, but Cloud alone managed to snap out of his stupor. Because he was injected with Sephiroth's cells, he's immune to degradation.
Why do they keep ruining the original game?
Right, so it's related to the Jenova Project. So SOLDIER who only undergo mako infusion, and not Jenova cell treatment, shouldn't degrade.
I guess the First Soldier gang have a chance at surviving after all.
All SOLDIERs get injected woth Jenova cells.
That would be impossible since SOLDIER existed before the Jenova project. Deepground was originally a hospital for treating them before it became the Jenova project reject freakshow.
The Jenova Project started 30 years prior to the start of FF7. The SOLDIER initiative is an offshoot of that project.
All the over the top shit Cloud manages and survives are linked to Tifa.
>fell off from Mt. Nibel as kid? He was with Tifa
>As a teen fell off Mt Ninel again with Sephiroth and Zack and other Shinra grunt? Tifa was there
>Survived being stabbed by Sephiroth and yoinked Sephiroth to Mako pit? Sephiroth had just slashed Tifa
>Came to from being 5 years in Nibelheim Mansion basement and experimented as vegetable, carried to Midgar by Zack , crawling to Midgar train station and suddenly came to? Tifa found him
>Survived the fall from Mako Reactor to Aerith's church? Tifa was there
>Survived dip to the Life Stream and mako poisoning? Tifa was there
And when he failed joining Soldier?
>Tifa was literally on the exact other side of the Planet. Cloud and Tifa being farthest they possibly could be apart from each other
The power of wanting to show off to your childhood crush is one helluva power up
Cloud about to get impeached by the italian senate? TIFA. WAS. THERE>
Try stabbing yourself and find out
I saw videos of that. It's not nearly as exciting in real life.
Because he had to protect his friends.
Redconned into, there was Mako on the sword, when he was stabbed it entered his wound and powered him up.
Nope.
Tifa.
So, did everyone die at the end of the original plot or no
Red XIII and the female he mated with to produce offspring sure has hell didn't die. Same with the ancestors of the flock of birds flying in the ending. Did humans die? It was up to debate until Advent Children
>Red XIII and the female he mated with didn't die
So was it Tifa or Yuffie?
Kitase said everyone died but Red. That is until Advent Children retconned it.
PReP?
its lifestream I ain't going to explain shit
It missed his core.
>How did Cloud survive after being stabbed by Sephiroth
Wasn't he put into the Soldier tube afterwards which fucked up his memories and made him a Soldier?
Pure rage and adrenaline.
Plot armor
Judas betrays Jesus.