How do we fix this trio?

>Fire and flying
>Grass and poison
>Just water...

What dual type would you give the Squirtle line and why?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Blastoise doesn't need a secondary type. It'd like steel but what wouldn't like steel? Just dump rain dish for mega launcher and call it a day.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It'd like steel but what wouldn't like steel?
      Gigalith, Avalugg, Regice…

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >DUDE EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE DUAL TYPE LMAO
    play the game

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Starters should be. Monotype starters are beyond cringe

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Water/Rock

    There.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Steel obviously

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why was Bulbasaur dual type? There’s already 2 different grass/poison dual types

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because not everything has to be a super unique type just for the sake of it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      straight grass is kind of shit in Kanto, with bulba being a shillmon, and one of the big themes of kanto is nature being polluted due to the rapid post war industrialization of japan that separates current day from the idealized childhood of the game's creators. There also is only 1 pure grass type in gen 1 and most grass lines in gen 1 were grass/posion

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >one of the big themes of kanto is nature being polluted due to the rapid post war industrialization of japan
        So I'm assuming Johto/Gen2 was an intentional subversion this, since every grass type is either part flying or pure (Even the one that's related to the oddish line).

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That and the fact that Johto as a whole is a lot more rural and ‘natural’ in comparison to Kanto

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I guess? I know gen 2 is supposed to have more historical and rural themes, but I also know the creator said Kanto was supposed to be the area around his house he could get to when he was like 8 and johto was supposed to be like when he was 12 and had access to a bike and stuff

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >with bulba being a shillmon
        It had the worst move pool out of the starters and they didn't even release his game outside Japan so people pick Charizard and Blastoise instead.
        Even in Japan it had little marketing. They wanted Bulbasaur to fail

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          nta but
          >It had the worst move pool out of the starters
          That had more to do with Grass being focused on utility/sipport rather than immediate offense. As a grass type it was pretty good, getting leech seed, sleep powder and Permacrit Razor leaf. I think it may have been the best grass type in the game.
          >and they didn't even release his game outside Japan
          But they still picked it to be on the cover in the first place. I read somewhere that was only it wasn't used for the worldwide release was because they were concerned out Western Audience's tastes. FIRE BREATHING DRAGON and CANNONS have more immediate cool factor than Flower.
          >Even in Japan it had little marketing. They wanted Bulbasaur to fail
          CHARIZARD was always the "shill" of the trio, but i doubt they wanted Bulbasaur to fail. Masuda (and likely many other Game Freak members) have it as their favorite or one of their favorites and if they really wanted it to fail why did they go out of its why they constantly improve it in every generation. .

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >That had more to do with Grass being focused on utility/sipport rather than immediate offense. As a grass type it was pretty good, getting leech seed, sleep powder and Permacrit Razor leaf. I think it may have been the best grass type in the game.
            The Bulbasaur line was massively outclassed as a Grass type by Exeggutor in Gen I due to it being Psychic-type and having a considerably higher special stat, so not really.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              that is a late game safari zone only encounter. By that logic blastoise is shit because you can get better watermons late game

              >straight grass is kind of shit in Kanto
              Tangela was trash but a straight grass with razor leaf and starter tier stats would have been extremely useful in Kanto, in the cart playthrough but especially in stadium and competitive
              If you went back and dumped Meganium into RBY - with razor leaf, screens, and synthesis/recovery - it would have been easy OU

              why do you think poison makes it worse in game? In Gen 1 bulba is only quad weak to only leech life which is only 20 base power, pin missile and twin needle which were only on jolteon and beedrill, traded ground resistance for fighting resistance and gained a poison immunity that makes any fight with a poison type easier. The only real negative about being grass/poison was the psychic weakness which is bad in competitive but doesnt really matter for in game play outside a handful of fights

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >traded ground resistance for fighting resistance
                Horrible trade in stadium/PvP since earthquake is everywhere and fighting is irrelevant
                In playthroughs it doesn't matter as much because idk what enemy even uses ground moves besides Giovanni's Dugtrio; Marowak I guess but come on (RB only of course, mons actually have appropriate moves in Y)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Horrible trade in stadium/PvP since earthquake is everywhere and fighting is irrelevant
                RB isn't balanced around the fact that people who do pvp spam 1 use TMs on multiple pokemon.
                In game there are 6 ground type moves
                Bone Club and Bonemerang are signature moves of the Cubone family. Dig is a 1 use TM and only Diglett family learns it via level. Earthquake is a 1 use TM and only Diglett and Geodude families learn it via level. Fissure is a 1 hit ko that is only accessible via 1 use TM and sand attack is nondamaging
                I'm pretty sure in RB NPC pokemon only have moves that are learned via level up. In Y Giovani has earthquake on 4 pokemon, not sure if any other NPCs have earthquake.
                Eitherway RB especially are balanced around in game play and not around PvP/stadium

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >In-game.

              Exeggutor is a mid-late game encounter and stone evo that you need to dump on multiple valuable TMs and ideally baby till level 48 for its best utility move (Sleep Powder) to remarkable. Meanwhile Bulba is a starter that maybe does not have explosive stats or broken typing but is literally first Pokemon you get and has steady progression both in stats and moves.

              On paper yet, Exeggutor is better, but we don't talk about simulation on Showdown but actual usage during single-player campaign. Yes, you can make it powerful in late game but for what? And the only think that it achieves that Venu can't is going against Mewtwo post game so... eh?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            bulba was the creator's favorite mon and is busted in RB. Obviously they switched to making charizard the shillmon and blastoise a secondary shillmon in the west, but bulba was the shillmon prerelease. He is also the one Red uses in most of the promo material.
            >worst movepool
            what?
            vinewhip rapes the first 2 gyms. razor leaf is always a critical hit. Growth boots his already best special stat of all 3 starters which is even better since it is special attack and special defense. leech seed, poison powder and sleep powder are all good utility moves, especially sleep powder with the broken gen 1 sleep. And then for TMs he had the broken toxic that could stack with leech seed and the 4 really good normal moves, ie body slam, take down, double edge and hyper beam.
            The only part of his movepool that sucks is sleep powder is too late for in game use, cut is a shitty HM that he has access too that a kid might give him by accident and that he can't learn strength so you need to give him body slam, which is a move multiple mons want or double edge/takedown which are lesser moves and that hyperbeam is wasted on him so it isn't worth grinding for

            1. Tajiri's favorite starter is Charizard according to his manga
            2. Masuda was only a composer in Gen1, he had nothing to do with development
            3. Ken Sugimori, co-creator of Pokemon hates the very existence of Bulbasaur line, especially Venusaur

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >3. Ken Sugimori, co-creator of Pokemon hates the very existence of Bulbasaur line, especially Venusaur
              why?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He said it's too hard to draw even though he designed it himself.
                If he wasn't a hack, he would have made it simpler but he gone with it and ended up hating it

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          bulba was the creator's favorite mon and is busted in RB. Obviously they switched to making charizard the shillmon and blastoise a secondary shillmon in the west, but bulba was the shillmon prerelease. He is also the one Red uses in most of the promo material.
          >worst movepool
          what?
          vinewhip rapes the first 2 gyms. razor leaf is always a critical hit. Growth boots his already best special stat of all 3 starters which is even better since it is special attack and special defense. leech seed, poison powder and sleep powder are all good utility moves, especially sleep powder with the broken gen 1 sleep. And then for TMs he had the broken toxic that could stack with leech seed and the 4 really good normal moves, ie body slam, take down, double edge and hyper beam.
          The only part of his movepool that sucks is sleep powder is too late for in game use, cut is a shitty HM that he has access too that a kid might give him by accident and that he can't learn strength so you need to give him body slam, which is a move multiple mons want or double edge/takedown which are lesser moves and that hyperbeam is wasted on him so it isn't worth grinding for

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >straight grass is kind of shit in Kanto
        Tangela was trash but a straight grass with razor leaf and starter tier stats would have been extremely useful in Kanto, in the cart playthrough but especially in stadium and competitive
        If you went back and dumped Meganium into RBY - with razor leaf, screens, and synthesis/recovery - it would have been easy OU

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing, Mono Water is powerful. If anything?
    Rain Dish -> Clear Body
    bring back Megas, there, now Blastoise has many reasons to use that Mega slot considering it got Shell Smash

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >bring back Megas
      retard alert

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >retard alert
        it went on as you posted in the thread

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How do we fix this trio?
    By removing VenuSHIT and the whole SHITmander line and replacing them with real chads.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The official fixing monotype starters list:
    >Blastoise
    Water/Steel
    >Meganium
    Grass/Fairy
    >Feraligatr
    Water/Dark
    >Typhlosion
    Fire/Ground
    >Sceptile
    Grass/Dragon
    >Serperior
    Grass/Dark
    >Samurott
    Water/Rock
    >Rillaboom
    Grass/Normal
    >Cinderace
    Fire/Flying
    >Inteleon
    Water/Ghost

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Water/Rock
      wouldn't Water/Fighting make mor sense, and make it a better counterpart to the Hisuian form

      >Fire/Flying
      Why? Is is for STAB Bounce because its a rabbit?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You ars a retarded moron. Why would Serperior be Dark type? Cinderance flying? Just fucking die already

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    water goes with earth, because it flows on it and carries it.
    use your image nation for your cartoon

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    dragon just to piss people off and give it steel coverage to piss off even more people

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I still think Charizard and Gyarados were supposed to be dragon types, but then gamefreak cucked out

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I loved using M-Venusaur so much bros
    Why'd they have to replace it with an employees toddlers idea?

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bro did you display these images in MATLAB or..?

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >every stage 2 starter needs to be dual typed because....they just have to ok?!
    dual type autists can get fucked, monotypes are based, especially water

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bulba being duel type was theme based. Kanto has a lot of poison and grass duel types because kanto is disgusting. Where as Johto has a lot more grass monotypes. charizard is only flying type because the design has wings
      the whole squirtle line could have been water/rock, but rock was shit and they saved it for the fossil mons

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