How do you portray Paladins in a post-industrial setting where knights are no longer a thing?
How do you portray Paladins in a post-industrial setting where knights are no longer a thing?
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How do you portray Paladins in a post-industrial setting where knights are no longer a thing?
Terrorists, generally.
The Duality of Man right here.
The police, thread over
secular institution that worships the state, zero religious connotations otherwise.
>Private detectives and investigative reporters
lol wtf are you babbling about, moron? paladins were warriors first and foremost.
>lol wtf are you babbling about, moron? paladins were warriors first and foremost.
They were warriors who crusaded about on their own quests for justice. In modern days you can do that more with a camera than a gun, but they should probably be the cool kind that get into shootouts and karate fights on the job they just brush it off as part of the risks.
>In modern days you can do that more with a camera than a gun
cope
Just make them knights anyway. But instead of horses they ride motorcycles, and instead of lances they wield rocket launchers.
Fearlessly they charge into battle, smiting their foes with holy power and holy powder alike
Look at what a knight is and adapt to your world. Early knights were people with the funding to have cutting-edge military equipment, and the skill to use it under the employ of someone who had a lot of wealth. Later knights became land-owners. And who were the Paladins? Charles the Great's best warriors and nobles. What makes them Paladins in the stories? Being pillars of virtue.
So what's the equivalent in post-industrial society? What does it mean to be able to wield a lot of power, what is the power they wield, who is the authority to whom their allegiance is owed, what does being granted capital that you're responsible for equate to, and what does being a pillar of virtue mean in that society?
Paladins are the corporate cronies of the head of state.
>nobility is the same as corporate america
Why is this board so blatantly anti-white?
In most cases nobility and corporations are inherently intwined
>noblesse oblige didn't exist you stupid goy
>ackshually all aristocrats were just merchants and didn't stem from warrior clans
>mafias and banks = nobility don't question this
Noblesse oblige still exists today, aristocrats were landlords who worked closely with merchants, and in many cases were merchants themselves.
>being a knight is ackshually exactly the same as working for your corporate overlords goy
Go jerk off to centurii-chan some more and spare me your moron babble.
>Fighting for a landlord is based because...it just is okay!
>Noooo, fighting for a corporation is totally different from fighting for a landlord for...reasons okay!
Yes Europeans and masculinity are evil, I thank you for conceding your true opinion on the topic.
>Fighting for a landlord is the definition of being European and masculine
Fascinating, have you tried not being a cuck?
during feudalism, being a lord was the equivalent of being a ruler of your own nation-state so its not any less cucked than throwing away your life for the sake of the "government" or "society"
And under feudalism, it was the familial duty of every person to try to ascend the hierarchy, even overthrowing and killing their noble or king if possible, so that their family could thrive. Not a very stable system.
Wait, really? Every person?
Feudalist societies were not nation-states, if you wanted to fight for your nation you'd likely be set in opposition to your king.
The archetype of the knight as a symbol of chastity, strength, honor, and glory transcends your petit bourgeois grievances. You only resent what you cannot be because you're not a warrior, therefore you refuse to take action.
>The archetype of the knight as a symbol of chastity, strength, honor, and glory
We already have that in modern society.
>do not descend from aristocracy
>exists as a last resort for high school dropouts
>zero prospects, no hope of owning land or attaining renown
>doesn't even understand what they're fighting for
>notoriously low IQ and cannot adapt to normal society unlike knights which navigate both battlefields and the courts
No, they're the hos polloi apart of the industrialized meat grinder that is modern warfare.
>hos polloi
*hoi
Duty, honor and doing what is right is more important than land owning or descent. The land owning part can be dealt with later on, anyway, if one's smart enoug.
>>do not descend from aristocracy
Was not a requirement for knights.
>exists as a last resort for high school dropouts
You're thinking of the Army grunts.
>zero prospects, no hope of owning land or attaining renown
False on both accounts. They have immense renown in society and good prospects for acquiring land.
>doesn't even understand what they're fighting for
False. You're just projecting your own cynicism because you're a fedora retard who has no beliefs of your own.
>notoriously low IQ and cannot adapt to normal society
Another case of projection on your part. If anything they're better adapted to normal society than most civies are.
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>You're thinking of the Army grunts.
Everyone besides generals are grunts.
>and good prospects for acquiring land.
Okay, and WHO exactly, is granting them free land? The home owner class that wants nothing to do with them?
>The home owner class that wants nothing to do with them?
You kidding? The homeowner class loves these guys. They're the best neighbors, they bring the property values up, they got good credit. They have a much easier time than most of getting property.
Oh okay I can tell by your image now I shouldn't have expected a serious answer.
"Free" isn't the word I should have used you're right, I'm moreso asking who the fuck is granting soldier vets land because it's certainly not the government.
>I'm moreso asking who the fuck is granting soldier vets land because it's certainly not the government
Well you'd have to go all the way back to the Roman era to find the government granting vets land, but even then most of those guys weren't what we'd call "knights". But yeah, modern soldiers aren't knights, the other anon is wrong on that, they're closer to Roman Legionaries. They're professionals, not aristocrats, they value discipline, not individual glory, they work as a unit, not as individuals. Knights are fun and all for TRPGs and they're formidable individual warriors, but as an actual cohesive fighting force they're pretty shit, which is why they got sidelined quickly as they could once nations started to centralize.
>They're professionals, not aristocrats
cringe
>not individual glory
this is completely averse to everything knighthood in europe stands for.
>this is completely averse to everything knighthood in europe stands for.
Yes, hence why the modern soldier and the Roman centurion weren't knights. Fighting for your own individual glory can make for a cunning warrior, but it rarely makes for a large disciplined army. This was acceptable in feudal times when armies were infamously small most of the time, but as states began to centralize power again it came time to embrace a more collectivist idea of martial honor and glory.
NTA but as a coherent military unit knights could and would totally and utterly wreck face.
The real reason they got sidelined is that once the infrastructure was set up to get decent equipment and a modicum of training to everybody, it was cheaper and easier to use commoner soldiers, while still only being marginally worse.
And of course, you'll always still have standout individuals in both types.
From what I understood, the majority of the knight classes ended up either absorbed into the common soldiery or as officers of the new commoner armies.
>but as a coherent military unit knights could and would totally and utterly wreck face.
Yes, when they were a coherent military unit. Which wasn’t very often. Knights were rare as is, and forming entire units of knights and then training them to work together was even rarer, especially since they were so damn expensive.
>Okay, and WHO exactly, is granting them free land?
You do realize most knights didn't get free land, right?
In the US there actually is a tradition and expectation of military service to raise the social class of enlisted people from (often abysmally poor) working class to middle class. That's why they pay for a degree post enlistment.
>t. literal mutt trying to compensate
Your great-great grandfather being a German garden gnome dirt farmer immigrant doesn't make you "white" nor "European". But your cope over it makes you look twice as delusional as you really are
Haven’t you ever heard of NRx and Moldbug? There’s a reason why the same people advocating for feudalism to return literally do so by advocating for essentially anarcho-capitalism. At the end of the day there wasn’t much difference between a feudal lord and a corporate lord.
No one but you is talking about race. You've brainwashed yourself into not being able to see anything beyond your conspiracy theories. So go back to
or improve yourself.
>NOOO! STOP TALKING BAD ABOUT MY IDEALISED, ROMANTICISED CONCEPT OF NOBILITY!
I suggest a week without internet and a one-hour walk each day of that week. Because you are out of touch with reality, mate
>Be American
>Masturbate to the concept of nobility
Is this what lack of own culture and any sort of lasting history does to people?
4chan rot your brain
>not wanting the majority of white people to be essentially slaves means you hate white people
>Paladins are the corporate cronies of the head of state.
Middle Managers?
>where knights are no longer a thing
just wait for power armor
We still have knights and dames today, gay.
Only ceremonially
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An American ultra-conservative but with more religion and less beer and obesity
The feds
Private detectives and investigative reporters but they handle actual cases that make the world a better place.
Why wouldn't there be knights in a post-industrial setting?
Regardless, this assume your run of the mill Paladin is a wandering murder hobo and not part of some organization or kingdom or government
Unless you're one of these people who has a very specific idea of fantasy and class identity that is quantum locked by autism so any other idea or conception is inconceivable.
They can still exist but it’s largely just a ceremonial role
>armor
>power
>virtue
>order
A modern paladin could be a tank commander, or a SWAT team sergeant, or an honorable ship's captain, or a drill instructor. Anyone driven by a sense of propriety and strong faith in their institution.
Granted, I wouldn't apply D&D conventions to anything that isn't a ttrpg campaign about medieval adventurers delving into dungeons, because that's generally a terrible idea.
By having knights still be thing, but just adjusted for the times. Knights still exist today you know? It's just now more of a ceremonial title. So someone who has dedicated themselves to the cause of justice could still be a paladin even if they don't wear armor or ride a horse or wield a sword. Or maybe they actually do some or all of these things in a intentional anachronism for traditions sake. Like maybe there is still a constitutional monarchy, UK style, that hands out sich titles. Maybe in this world they knight people with a sword and then issue them that sword as a symbol of rank. For many that sword is just that, a symbol. They don't need a sword because they were knighted for founding a charity or being a great musician or some other silliness. But it's still a functional, practical sword made by the fee remaining master smiths who are kept employed for this purpose. You might use a gun as your primary weapon, but if some asshole thinks he's going to 21 foot rule you with a knife he's gonna taste your draw cut because you keep the old ways alive like a boss.
>How do you portray Paladins in a post-industrial setting where knights are no longer a thing?
First we need to see what a paladin is:
>You are an emissary of a deity, a devoted servant who has taken up a weighty mantle, and you adhere to a code that holds you apart from those around you. While champions exist for every alignment, as a champion of good, you provide certainty and hope to the innocent. You have powerful defenses that you share freely with your allies and innocent bystanders, as well as holy power you use to end the threat of evil. Your devotion even attracts the attention of holy spirits who aid you on your journey.
So you are an emissary, a person sent on a special mission, usually as a diplomatic representative, for a god. This means you're a special representative who represents your god in the world. In addition, you are trained in warfare and battle, as a protector of your faith. There is no such type of person in our time and our world. They would be a wholly unique creation for a modern day fantasy world.
A paladin is a specially picked representative of a god who follows a strict code to maintain their divinely granted powers, a warrior of virtue and good, a protector of the faithful, and a scourge of evil. They would be nothing like the police, investigators, military soldiers, or any of the various things suggested in this thread by idiots and morons. They would be a member of an institution of faith, as loyal guards for the clerical representatives, trusted protectors of the people who administer the religious works of the god they worship and represent.
They would be a version of the Swiss Guard.
Modern paladins would have the following vocations;
Law enforcement, Lawyering, activists of all stripes, investigators, emergency services of all stripes. As well as any profession turned towards charity and activism; doctors without borders or engineers taking low contracts for charities (to help less fortunate nations).
You obviously put more thought into this concept so why not tell us? Hopefully its more thought then some of the replies here.
I guess they'd be the Pinkertons.
The same as they are. Paladins aren't mere knights. They're an order that serves a higher ideal. Times change, ideals don't, and neither does duty.
>it's another episode of 4chantards thinking they wouldn't be complaining in medieval times
They'd align themselves with NGOs like Red Cross and Unicef
>Devoted to justice beyond the mundane
>Equipped with ludicrously high end gear
>Physical combatant.
>Gadgets that might as well be magic.
>Really into symbols
At least when its just his universe that is. Wonderwoman also fits. Capeshit is pretty much post-industrial fantasy.
>How do you portray Paladins in a post-industrial setting where knights are no longer a thing?
Assuming it's sci fi or Urban/Modern Fantasy just do them like Space Marines or elite Clone troopers. Well trained, peak human, heavily equipped guys with strict procedural codes. The guys either used as living artillery on the battlefield or as the guys that solve problems that requires something just short of an actual military battalion.
>how do you portray concept in a backdrop stripped of all context the informs that concept
You gays need to stop reading wikis and start reading some basic writing guides.
>How do you portray Paladins in a post-industrial setting where knights are no longer a thing?
What's a knight for you?
Because even in OUR time and place, knights do still exists, you have the occasional orders associated by the church, who mostly do charities and ofcours the people knighted by the Queen of England, don't really remember their names but there's also a fiew military orders of knights that still exist in europe believe it or not.
Even the Japs still have Samurai, you can't even own or buy a Sword in japan if you're not part of the Emperor's Samurai.
and historicaly a Paladin was a french knight who took the christian honor, moral and ethical codes and refused anything or anyone else as his master.
So I guess just take a very faithfull man, have the organisation of his faith give him training, rank and title of function, then set him to go kill degenerate scum bags.
If knights were a thing and the necessary knowledge is available, why not play a character who, given the current state of the world, simply idealizes the virtues of a paladin and tries to embody it in his current situation to inspire others to be better . The game world determines the rest.
Military Chaplains
why does this board always conflate paladins and knights lol