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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    well persona is $70 so start there

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Really depends on how the visual novel portrays itself. Something like Utawarerumono on steam has visual novel style cutscenes but interspersed with TRPG combat, but for the most parts it's 60-65% VN with 35% RPG. Something like Chaos;Head is full VN but feels like it puts more work into building the environment, especially how the container is a 3D space that rarely gets used.

      I think VNs (or rather the proper name "ADV" games) would be better off creating proper explorable game segments rather than being a linear game structure, even if the different plots can push the story in different ways. Something like A.I. Somnium Files is a full story game, with little in the form of exploration, but it fills the interactions in the environment with character dialogue and humor, with the inspection sequences being a more exploration focused design.

      T';DR I think VNs need to do more to justify their prices, or I either pirate or get them on sale. Fantastic audio, voice work and designs can only push a "game" so far. I wouldn't even be against a more minor exploration area focused game, like Danganronpa 1 was, just something to make it feel like an actual game rather than a moving picture book.

      depending on the vn the price tag is totally justifiable, it's not like they take no effort to make

      the high-res custom drawn art you need is not cheap for backgrounds, CGs, or sprites, you typically need a decent amount of music to not have it be super repetitive, and if voice acting is included that gets real pricey real fast

      i'm not saying they're more expensive or equally as expensive as "normal" games, but a lot of games can get away with frequent asset reuse. action games can spam the same enemies at you until you stop thinking about it

      If it has actual gameplay or at least some minigames, sure I could understand a higher price. But just for what is essentially a digital book? I don't think that kinda stuff is full price worthy.

      >$5 for a single issue
      >$20~ for a volume
      >$40-$60 for an collection or omnibus or whatever
      There's your answer.

      I'd gladly pay 60 bucks for a physical product too.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        like i said it depends, an indie vn that has no voice acting and was originally english and only has like 15 songs for its 10 hours of content is not even close to worth $60, but something like umineko that had a full translation, is 100 hours long, has loads of music and art, has voice acting, that's definitely worth it

        people can't just look at a vn and go "yeah i would never pay full price for this because it has no gameplay", who gives a shit? that's not what these are about and the argument that you need gameplay to justify a pricetag is the same as saying you would never pay full price for a big hardcover book or a blu-ray release of a tv show

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If I buy a musou, it's because I enjoy their gameplay and thus I expect the gameplay to be the main focus of the game. I'm not gonna buy a musou and then shit on it only because the story was not good enough despite the fact that I really enjoyed the gameplay, that would be dumb. The same logic applies to VNs. I buy them to enjoy their story, everything else is secondary and should only exist to improve my enjoyment of the story.

        Again, if people don't complain about "normal" books lacking gameplay then I don't see why it makes sense to complain about VNs lacking gameplay. Of course, this doesn't mean that I think that a VN including gameplay is inherently a bad thing. But I would much rather read a VN with 0 gameplay than read a VN with shit gameplay, included just because the devs felt like they were forced to include some gameplay. I don't think the Zero Escape VNs would have been a significantly worse experience without the kiddy tier puzzles.

        >it has gameplay
        >the gameplay is glorified RPS any lobotomized person can play

        lmao
        well i guess from an intrinsic point VNs shouldnt be a full retail game. but at an extrinsic point it's KEY games, the godfather of all VNs and if youre going to spend time on lets say 5 VNs in your lifetime, it's hard to objected to Clannad and spinoffs.

        plus lol paying retail on VNs
        not only there's sales but for a very long time it was fantranslated - not like youre going to get downed by the OG community getting a free version

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It depends how long the visual novel is. It should be 1mph. If a visual novel costs 40 hours, then it should be at least $40 long. Virtue's Last Reward is a 60 hour game, but it's only selling for $15 or less in most places. They could double the price and it'd steal be a sitll/

      The game is over 70 hours long. It's worth the price tag. But the you get wouldn't it you games are shit your shit

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >But the you get wouldn't it you games are shit your shit

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >But the you get wouldn't it you games are shit your shit
        what the frick did i just read

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Virtue's Last Reward is a 60 hour game
        including 30 hours of map transition scenes

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You okay buddy?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >But the you get wouldn't it you games are shit your shit

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >*But then you wouldn't get it, games are shit you're shit
        Stop having a stroke Cartoonposting Black person.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sony first party games tend to be $70

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    About a dollar per hour, so for Clannad $60 is about right.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I fricking hate the dollar per hour meme. It just leads to devs padding out their garbage game with tedium and morons using that tedium to justify their purchase

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a dollar per hour

      hey zoomie

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its always morally correct to pirate vinnes

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >pirating some of the few non-woke video games left nowadays is "based"
        go back

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Please buy Sona nyl. Liar soft doesn't deserve this. If senran banka can hit big why not this?
      >3 years of translation for 16 reviews
      https://store.steampowered.com/app/2656690/SonaNyl_of_the_Violet_Shadows_Refrain/
      https://steamdb.info/app/2656690/charts/

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >buy a soulless english TL
        Lmao EOPs deserve nothing. No point in consuming japanese media in any language that isn't japanese.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Moogy lost

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Damn it's been almost a decade since I last saw this username. I used to believe he was a moronic elitist weeb Black person but now I understand that he was right all along. Westerners have no idea what they're talking about.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're the only games worth playing, so might as well price them at $70. The woke AAA crap you see on Steam should only be worth a few bucks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Clannad is super woke tho. You can date moronic girls.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it's woke to date women now

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Who is supposed to be the moronic girl? Kitomi? If you played her route you'd more or less know why she acts the way she does. Clannad VN was kino btw, glad I read it instead of watching the show first. Music was top notch

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Idk how much do comics cost? It's should be that basically

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >$5 for a single issue
      >$20~ for a volume
      >$40-$60 for an collection or omnibus or whatever
      There's your answer.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Really depends on how the visual novel portrays itself. Something like Utawarerumono on steam has visual novel style cutscenes but interspersed with TRPG combat, but for the most parts it's 60-65% VN with 35% RPG. Something like Chaos;Head is full VN but feels like it puts more work into building the environment, especially how the container is a 3D space that rarely gets used.

    I think VNs (or rather the proper name "ADV" games) would be better off creating proper explorable game segments rather than being a linear game structure, even if the different plots can push the story in different ways. Something like A.I. Somnium Files is a full story game, with little in the form of exploration, but it fills the interactions in the environment with character dialogue and humor, with the inspection sequences being a more exploration focused design.

    T';DR I think VNs need to do more to justify their prices, or I either pirate or get them on sale. Fantastic audio, voice work and designs can only push a "game" so far. I wouldn't even be against a more minor exploration area focused game, like Danganronpa 1 was, just something to make it feel like an actual game rather than a moving picture book.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >tranimeko
      opinion discarded

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >VNs should include filler content to increase their playtime in order to make me feel like I'm not wasting my money
      what a garbage opinion holy shit

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >gameplay is filler content in a game

        You must think games should play themselves, read themselves and be embedded in your memory as well mustn't you?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, gameplay is filler content in a VN. When you read a book, how often do you think to yourself "this is good but this would be better if I had to solve a crosswords puzzle between each chapter"?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Gameplay can be viewed as filler content by nature of it being something blocking you from the next part of something. (e.g. chapter 1 part 1 > musou gameplay > chapter 1 part 2) but by that metric, VNs could also suffer from not having gameplay, by metric of feeling disconnected, both from the player and/or enjoyment of the story.

            The crux of this arguement, is that VNs, to many people feel like too much money to spend for what they get. Many VNs lack traditional gameplay. I've seen people say that different choices or mechanics like Chaos; Head delusion triggers are gameplay, but they feel more like stuff found in a choose your own adventure novel at best and functionally broken design at worst.

            The fact that VNs have grown the skip function in such a way that it skips what you've already seen, and naturally comes to a stop for new content, shows a flaw in the design ethos, because people would rather work on making books with everything that makes an entertainment product other than gameplay. I can understand that some might not want gameplay in these types of games, but gameplay doesn't have to be some form of hard limit barrier like grinding in an RPG or waiting for plants to grow in a farming simulator. If they want to sell me on a world, the best way they can is to allow me to properly interact with it in a meaningful way, which necessitates gameplay, If ADV games were more reasonably priced for what's offered, I'd be more charitable towards them.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If I buy a musou, it's because I enjoy their gameplay and thus I expect the gameplay to be the main focus of the game. I'm not gonna buy a musou and then shit on it only because the story was not good enough despite the fact that I really enjoyed the gameplay, that would be dumb. The same logic applies to VNs. I buy them to enjoy their story, everything else is secondary and should only exist to improve my enjoyment of the story.

              Again, if people don't complain about "normal" books lacking gameplay then I don't see why it makes sense to complain about VNs lacking gameplay. Of course, this doesn't mean that I think that a VN including gameplay is inherently a bad thing. But I would much rather read a VN with 0 gameplay than read a VN with shit gameplay, included just because the devs felt like they were forced to include some gameplay. I don't think the Zero Escape VNs would have been a significantly worse experience without the kiddy tier puzzles.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                With games as a medium, you kind of expect some kind of player interactivity. Different actions giving different results. Course, choose your path books exist too which give you some level of interactivity with different endings and whatnot. But if you don't take advantage of the medium, people will inevitably ask "why is it even a game then?". If all I'll get it illustrations to go with the story, I could instead just have it as a picture book, no?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Okay, I get this entirely. If a VN never intended to include gameplay then why bother moaning about a lack of gameplay. The basis on this entire argument isn't why don't VNs include gameplay. It's should VNs be as expensive as they are. For the average consumer, no, VNs are too expensive.

                I guess my idea is more that ADV could be explored more as an interactive genre than what is just basic stories with visual elements. But I do appreciate VNs as a more calmer experience than other game, even with the unsettling elements some more violent games can have. More experiential rather than mechanical, but me personally I prefer games with interactivity.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the interactivity of vns is thinking about them, generally, and clicking choices can be a vehicle for this

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I personally feel that choice based interactivity in VNs feels lackluster, even if they gradually or seriously change the story. I think I just suffer a disconnect with the genre though. I love the stories for the most part, but feel that simply changing things with a simple choice can be absurd, even more so when specific routes are locked behind arbitrary choices that make little sense at it's worse.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not that anon but I wouldn't mind something like that. Like a quiz to test your memory. Visual novels are not games. Visual novels aren't books either. They're something in between and should have elements belonging to both. Rose Guns Days' interactivity during the shooting/fistfight segments is a good example of what I'd consider to be just right for this genre.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Vn are games, just for the sole fact I can trash crpg gays who think planescape torment has the best story in gaming

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        troonyneko is mostly filler and padding so it makes sense.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          have a nice day

          seethe

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            have a nice day cult member. Silent hill flop and shitconia are getting cancelled.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What's the point of shitposting about a VN that you haven't even read?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I read up to chapter 7 and the music was the only decent thing to come from that garbage.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you had read up to Chapter 7 surely you would know that this pic

                have a nice day cult member. Silent hill flop and shitconia are getting cancelled.

                is moronic.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I prefer the Russian translation of Umineko

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ukrainian translation?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                just read it in russian sister

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I think VNs need to do more to justify their prices
      It's called VA recording, lots of sprite variance and a stacked soundtrack. Especially these days with how many gachas that try to be VNs, it only makes it apparent how much actual VNs still get right by comparison. Just because there aren't any obvious elements of big budget spending akin to a Sony movie game doesn't mean there aren't plenty under the hood.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >big budget
        >sony movie game

        I'm not asking for walking talking movie games, I'm just asking for fun interaction with the games. To say all gameplay is Sony movie games, is to make a strawman arguement.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh for frick sake. Another ryukishitard posting from the peak of mount stupid acting like he knows shit about frick.
      You fricking idiots need to get it into your head that when you're paying for an English VN release, you're paying for the license fees, hours of translation work, and a tumble dryer process of editing just to make something that just barely passes as solid writing in English (this especially goes for titles with very hard japanese like muramasa, fate, masada games etc.)
      If you were buying the game in Japanese online or physically, you'd be either directly supporting the company or you'd be getting physical goods, making it worth the price. It hasn't got anything to with some stupid bullshit like game mechanics. That's your own projection of what you value when you buy a game.
      I have low respect for EOPs, but absolutely fricking zero for you idiots that sit on your dunning kruger throne with your fist in the air ready to murder an already dying industry

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >shit opinion
        >ai slop pic
        sasuga

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      AngeBlack person thinks he pretetious but crap at real games

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    depending on the vn the price tag is totally justifiable, it's not like they take no effort to make

    the high-res custom drawn art you need is not cheap for backgrounds, CGs, or sprites, you typically need a decent amount of music to not have it be super repetitive, and if voice acting is included that gets real pricey real fast

    i'm not saying they're more expensive or equally as expensive as "normal" games, but a lot of games can get away with frequent asset reuse. action games can spam the same enemies at you until you stop thinking about it

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Book of Shadows was kinda shit
      and piss but that's the good part
      I hope the rest of the VNs are good.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For starter, digital games are free.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Niche market so it gets propped up by a few diehards rather than spreading the load between a bunch of people. If it doesn't match what you think it's worth just pirate it.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is your PC powerful enough for Akaiito HD Remaster?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Live2D is a helluva drug

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so sick of these remasters like i'm not made of money for a brand new rig

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >DirectX12
      Unironically why? Doesn't this also mean that older versions of Windows 10 and below aren't supported?

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you know the value of the dollar is like half of what is was 5 years ago right? remember when poorgay wagies were championing for 15/hour now that long ago? yeah... lmfao

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They should've paid me to play the Danganronpa games. They're a load of crap.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I warned you about that troony series

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is highway robbery. Compare this price to the price of graphic novels (which VNs are a digital form of). VNs have far less unique assets and no manufacturing costs, and yet they're more expensive.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How many graphic novels last more than ~75 hours and include expensive voice acting?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Most of that 75 hours is pointless padding and filler to "justify" the price. Japanese VNs have some of the most redundant writing ever.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          oh look, a reductionist argument in response to a reasonable one, how surprising

          have a nice day dude

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >expensive voice acting

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    3.50$

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    $20

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on how much good content they have, like anything else, but people as stupid as you shouldn't have any say in the matter.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Clannad VN is worth every penny. Just look at this high quality art.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He deserved better

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He deserved better

      I really hate it when they give the MC a best bro and he never gets anything good. Sunohara didn't score, despite wingmanning for Tomoya, and then gets a dead end job as a salaryman.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No? It's implied he inherited his parent's farm or something and introduced him a girl to marry.
        He got a truly classic nip village ending.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      I really hate it when they give the MC a best bro and he never gets anything good. Sunohara didn't score, despite wingmanning for Tomoya, and then gets a dead end job as a salaryman.

      Isnt he the one who kills himself in a car or something in a bad end?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Inoue, Jun maeda, and Key were never good

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They have as much gameplay as AAA games so $70.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    $20-30

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Books are about $10-$15 per 100k words and most paid VNs are in the 400k+ range. Add art on top of that (and voice acting especially) and you’re getting a pretty decent return on that price.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What even is a visual novel? You can't even correctly categorize one. People call Fallout a visual novel but that's an RPG. Or even Call of Duty. You should try to come up with a better way to insult a video game you don't like, I think movie game works best.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What even is a visual novel
      ADV

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      moron

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >CoD is a visual novel
      At least try to write good bait

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I paid 300 or 400 usd for this. Japs are israelites.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's 35 bucks on kagura games, shouldve just bought digital
      also could not play after THAT alice scene before the yacht. pissed me off to no end.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Digital isn't worth 1 buck

        If you collect you either buy on release or get ass raped by scalpers.

        True but not always. The prices are too insane for some oppai mousepads, wall scrolls, pillow covers or figures. Surprised these companies go bankrupts muse have too much corruption.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          fair, could've just pirated it easily tho.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you collect you either buy on release or get ass raped by scalpers.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Clannad will take you a whole week to read, if you spend 8+ hours reading every day.

    Still kinda pricey, though. Specially for something that ought to be a classic.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wait why homewrecker

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The story in Clannad is that they both like the MC so the older sister helps the younger one get with him. If you play the route the right way, the lder sister then steal the MC from her sister.

        You can choose to stay with the younger one but that's considered a bad ending for the story(you don't get the dragonball of happiness).

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Being unfaithful is good
          What did Key mean by this?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's not that being unfaithful is good, Kyou was being insincere from the start by letting her sister have the MC and pretending she didn't like him.

            In the Afterstory, the younger sister actually find another guy and begins dating him, so MC was never her destined one anyway. Meanwhile, Kyou is the best match for the MC, even if she's not the canon heroine.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So any new big announcements since Nukitashi 2 release?

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tomoyos route was so damn good, she is the perfect girl.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I remember a time when everyone just pirated VNs because the only translations were fan translations.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you should expect more and more official releases of old ones in the coming years with the advent of ai-based machine translation that can maintain context for an entire body of work, companies are going to jump on it as free revenue

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I remember when we only had a small handful of translated works to read. Some weren't even full translated either.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I still never finished Majikoi because when I read it, the fricking Miyako route wouldn't be finished for like another two years

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I member

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kinda surprised that this one never made it onto steam. A good majority of those that I read from that era did.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well the Developer doesn't exists anymore which is a bit of a problem.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Kinda surprised that this one never made it onto steam. A good majority of those that I read from that era did.

            YMK is freeware, then?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No clue how Japanese law works over there but I doubt you'd get in trouble pirating the VN.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Well it's still being sold by JAST

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              YMK is owned by WillPlus and the original is still sold on DLSite
              It's not on Steam because JAST would have to cut the 18+ content and they probably just can't be arsed

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Remember when VNs were core of Ganker, Ganker and Ganker? Good times.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    sage

    as expensive as people will pay

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why dont you just wait a couple months for a sale?

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    UGUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bros, what was babbys first VN for (you)?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      shit jlist released off the bat in 00s

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A Profile
      One hell of an introduction to the wide world of VNs
      >Oh no! Your underaged little sister who stabbed you just lost her postage stamp collection. Better rail her in the ass to calm her down!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ever17

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      YO DIS B ARCADE BUMSTEAD FROM TSUKIHIMAY I'D HIT IT

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yosuga no sora

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I only recently started last year (and am progressing slowly) but I played through the entirety of Utawarerumono series, then did Chaos; Head.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      good times

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        onii-chan!
        onii-chan!
        onii-chan!!!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I dropped VN unironically because of this shit
          Frick you

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty sure it was Starless, but there's a small posibility it was Euphoria.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yume Miru and Narcissu

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shuffle.
      Nerine best girl, fight me.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Katawa Shoujo

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >reddit: the VN
        Yikes!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mesuinu Hatsujouki ~Kageriyuku Nichijou~. I found a gallery of it about a decade ago on hitomi and I tried looking up how to get the game until I found a whole thread about it here with a download to the game + crack.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      14 years ago with Katawa Shoujo

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Saya

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Like any self respecting oldgay, mine was Yume Miru Kusuri. The only other acceptable answers are Saya no Uta and Mikan's game.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      MGQ. You gays were all spamming it circa 2013/2014 I figured I try it out considering it was one of the few games I could actually run on my shit laptop. Was pretty good fun and enjoyed the dynamic with Alice. Very impressed with the quality as I went in expecting a flash game.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Katawa

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Steins;Gate 0

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Who starts with 0?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Someone who is unreasonably horny for Maho I imagine.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only acceptable answer is DDLC, that is literally the only experience a majority of people have with vns. No thanks to morons like eyepatch wolf or grumps

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fate Stay Night. Got into it because I saw few episodes of anime and learned it was based on game and that there's sex in it .

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Danganronpa if that counts
      I only read up to 2 though, and I think that's enough.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Either Ace Attorney or Hotel Dusk, but if we were to talk about the one that really got me into the ADV genre, Steins;Gate.

      There is no good argument why the switch shouldnt allow porn
      Worst timeline I swear

      >There is no good argument why the switch shouldnt allow porn
      CERO doesn't allow any porn regardless of the console platform in the first place.
      Still far less a hassle to have my visual novels on the Switch and in moonrunes (or even emulating PSP versions on mobile), so I'll take that concession.

      What the frick is Aquaplus doing though?
      >still no Switch ports of Utawarerumono and White Album
      >the Android ports of the Utawarerumono trilogy can no longer be installed from the Play Store because they're using an old API

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Memories Off Historia and IF
        based memoff enjoyer

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ace Attorney and Hotel Dusk.
      Real VN: Katawa Shoujo

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Some hentai one with fat breasts

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i dont get the appeal of vns. its just really bad writing combined with images to distract you from said writing. if you wanted that then play a hideo kojima game. the cinematography and gamplay in metal gear solid are to distract you from the moronic writing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you American?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's fine if you don't get them, you seem like a moron with no understanding of media

        still havent heard any counter claim for vns so i am correct when i say that they're for low iq folks. fight me if you want to prove me wrong or persist in the vns you wallow.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          why would i fight you? it's like picking on the kid at school that no one talks to, it's a pointless and pathetic endeavor

          just go on your way

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >counter claim
          BAIT FAIL

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's fine if you don't get them, you seem like a moron with no understanding of media

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >le media literacy
        kys

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're just picture books anon.
      With sex.
      Picture books with sex.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        why Fuminori is such a dick.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      music and sound effects, having sound can really set the mood.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The most popular VNs don't have bad wri--

      Well, frick me, I guess.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        so kino

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Best scene.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >its just really bad writing combined with images to distract you from said writing
      Just like Ganker

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like bad writing but I don't like reading at my computer so when I feel like a big helping of slop I read translated LNs/WNs on my e-reader.

      Still never read a VN unless short nukige count

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's just "choose your adventure" books with pictures but also music and maybe voice acting.
      It also plays into the stuff that people that come here like, thus anons will act defensively when you call out the shit writing.
      At the end of the day people don't wanna admit that they like trash, same as it's always been.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >"choose your adventure"
        Some are not even that and don’t even have choices

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why have there been 0 good VNs released after Umineko?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      have a nice day

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because your melanin makes you ignore Rose Guns Days.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    First should be free as VN below. Get a story started lay base worldbuilding get interest. Then $$

    https://store.steampowered.com/app/1941750/The_Nameless_Braves_Heaven_Episode_1/

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I ain't reading all-ages kuso

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Use the same pricing as normal books

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >way longer
      >with graphics
      >voice acting
      >and music
      People should be lucky they aren't as expensive as in japan, 70-100$ for a new release.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >way longer
        Lol
        >with graphics
        Lmao
        >voice acting
        Rofl
        >and music
        Copter

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          nice arguments, moron

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      normal books are free.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so, you think VNs should be more expensive?

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    best I can do is $30, and that's if it's voice acted and the translators didn't make a dog's dinner of the script

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the greatest visual novel ever is free btw

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      My homie. Still a special place in my heart

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      steins;gate isn't free tho?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Touché

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This shit is the most juvenile VN I've ever read
      Especially 2nd

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Narcissu 2 blew me away.
      Himeko is one of the best written characters in any piece of media.
      Himeko's epilogue is also a masterpiece.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well, they're not video games. It's right there in the title "VISUAL NOVEL".
    So they should cost as much as a single volume of a manga.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why "a single volume"?

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I drop $100 on VN collectors editions all the time. Heres my newest ones.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >multiple preggo e-girls on the cober
      A gentleman of the finest taste. I'd suggest dropping smoking though.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Came with a onahole and some single use lube. Hope it smells like a girl or something

        Story is monsters attack humanity. They rape and pillage and humanity has no weapon that can destroy them. The raped girls die instantly as the semen is just deadly to humans. So they devise some technology kokoro artificial/magic heart system that allows the e-girls to process the monsters stored semen in their e-girl bodies which they can use as fuel for to power attacks that can finally inflict damage on them.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So they're just bloated, not actually preggo?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're a pedophile.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Genuinely fricked up

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You could buy more if you quit smoking

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There is no good argument why the switch shouldnt allow porn
      Worst timeline I swear

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ARE THOSE-

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >la campanella dell'eterno
      uhh
      sasuga nips

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    WTF?? Why it's so expensive in yuropoor lol?

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Allowed by whom?
    >price in euros
    Ahh, a europoor. It makes sense, now.
    One day you lot will finally find the perfect set of overbearing government regulations that lead to you to prosperity. It hasn't worked yet, but you just have to keep trying!

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Enough to keep westoids out of it

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As much as a new printed novel, so 10-30 bucks depending on the original publishing year.
    The downside of a visual novel is that you pay more to get an inferior experience to a classic novel.
    Why not read classic fiction if you like visual novels? Real novels have to write in a way that you can clearly imagine your own version of the setting and characters, so the writing has to take more skill. Visual novels are 95% dialogue and 5% narration, since everything you're supposed to see is shown to you in pictures instead of being described to you in depth.
    Classic novels are probably 5-20% dialogue, and the rest is narration.
    tl;dr classic novels are a superior experience because they're more in-depth

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why not read classic fiction if you like movies?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why not watch movies if you like video games
      >movies are a superior experience because they're more in-depth
      wojak.jpg

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wait until you see how much an eroge VN costs in Japan
    Prices in the west are actually relatively cheap which is to be expected considering how shit the tl are

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't mind paying mid price for VNs.
    On the other hand I bought Subahibi on sale for 10 bucks and felt like I wasted money. Feels weird when you wind up hating a top rated VN.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most popular VNs, if they are printed in A4 paper, are longer that the King James Bible (KJB).
    You are paying the homosexual Sapiens who wrote all this shit and the translation to English

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just picked this up. What am I in fot?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      kino

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      overrated crap

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Primo kino, pure Nitroplus goodness. And a few terrible gameplay sections

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Moogy really was right when he said that you get completely disconnected with the western VN fanbase once you learn japanese
    Gay ass dunning kruger thread full of morons (including myself for clicking on it)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's literally just entertainment, get an actual personality

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tranime

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    TDA conclusion when?
    Translated Schwarzesmarken when?
    Alternative Exogularity when?

    I need me some new Muv Luv content.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's no hope for Muv-Luv.
      Schwarzesmarken translating is teh most you can hope for.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You chose the words that would hurt me the most, right?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Im just being realistic. There's no room to cope anymore.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well it's not like they have any other valuable IP to explore, so what else would they do?

            They have an IP that's wildly popular in both Japan and abroad, so why would they just drop it?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Is it popular? Aside from MLA no one really talks about it in the West anymore and even that is mostly just boomers who consoomed it like 11 years ago.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because they haven't made a big game in all that long, otherwise people would talk about it. Anytime Muv Luv anything happens though, it gets attention.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Cool pic but MLA literally has only 3 alien fights and none of them are technical at all. Imagine if muv luv was actually good

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    671491961
    Yawn
    You are going to have to try harder than that

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      rude

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Clannad's fricking long. It's easily 50+ hours of reading.

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What are some other Christianity-approved VNs besides Umineko?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cross Channel

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Clannad is worth every penny and a better story than LotR by miles.

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I bought this 4 years ago (on LimitedRunGames) 109$, I still didn't play it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I also VNs from limited run. Though I enjoyed Fata Morgana so immensely.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I regret not taking the collector version of Fata Morgana. I bought the Ps Vita version (the normal one) on LGR.

  57. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    she do b spittin fax doe frfr ong

  58. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they should only be alowed to be purchased in ¥ and have no translation, fan or official

  59. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    20-50 depending on the quality and size. Stuff like maitetsu last run being massive and using high quality tech (for vns) should be priced closer to normal games. Though most should be closer towards 30 tbh

  60. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think 20-30 dollars is completely reasonable for a VN. Regular novels are the same price and they don't have to pay for sound or graphics.

  61. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you're a newbie who wants to get into this genre, avoid the following visual novels:
    >Steins;Gate
    >Ever17
    >Tsukihime
    >YU-NO
    >Fate

    And any popular VN that gets recommended because of its romance elements. Unless you're an incel loser then yeah I guess you can enjoy those.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think Danganronpa is a good way to start, even thought it's not a "pure" VN.
      And then Steins;Gate

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      steins;gate commonly gets recommended because kurisu is a waifubait character but it has good aspects regardless, it's still worth a read

      ever17 is a situation where the main plot is solid but dragged down by the character routes being pushed, it's also worth a read

      fate is obviously much more than you just reduced it to and you can play the realta nua version to remove unneeded sex scenes very easily, tsukihime it slightly arguable but still not really that much romance, and yu-no is shit independent of its romance (which is also shit)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >ever17
        >worth a read
        kek
        Even the poorly written Shironagasu Island is a better use of your time. Uchikoshi is a hack

        It's mostly about the amount of content.
        Not only in text ofc but things as voice and CGs.
        Its its not at least 1 hour = 1 dollar it can frick right off

        >if it's not at least 1 hour = dollar it can frick right off
        right we need unnecessarily dragged out slice of life chicken sandwiches, curry preparation scenes and seiyuus speaking at the speed of a snail to make a VN worth spending $40
        lmao

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >poorly written Shironagasu Island
          frick you, shironagasu island is kino

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I enjoyed Shironagasu but let's not kid ourselves it was low budget on almost every front, especially the art. The seiyuus were too good for this visual novel. Won't deny that it has a lot I soul and I don't regret buying it considering it was so cheap; but the main mystery was way too easy to solve and the music was overall unremarkable save for that track in the airport at the beginning of the game or when ___Riehl___ was calling the MC on the phone.
            Even the efforts spent into building a genuinely gripping horror atmosphere went to shit in the latter half when it turned into some weird Resident Evil 5 situation. It was bonkers but not the kind of ride I signed up for. The characters really carried this VN.
            Funniest of all is that the comedic extra post-game chapter ended up being the best part of the VN. Best humor, character interactions, even creepy horror setting. I hope to see more stories written by that author because he clearly has what it takes to make a great story, he is just unpolished and dedicated.

            Stinky neet GF will not make me waver and blindly accept the faults of a game.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Funniest of all is that the comedic extra post-game chapter ended up being the best part of the VN.
              TRUE
              >tfw pic related

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >right we need unnecessarily dragged out slice of life chicken sandwiches, curry preparation scenes and seiyuus speaking at the speed of a snail to make a VN worth spending $40
          lmao
          Well if its shit its not even worth pirating so that doesn't matter

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            whats a slice of life chicken sandwhich example?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Avoid muv luv, worst pacing in any story ever, terrible artstyle. Mostly Irrelevant supporting cast aside from Meiya sumika. Shoe horned in kiminozo girls showing the author respects his works as much as nasu does to his

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody's starting with yu-no, grandpa, it's more of an adventure game anyway.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks for the recs.

      moron.
      Read Clannad, it will fix you emotionally

      Clannad has some boring routes but when it's good it really hits hard.

  62. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    10 thousand yen

  63. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >japs only release their shitty vns in the west after fans translate the good ones and hype builds over years and years until they think they can make some cash off said fans who read the shit 15 years ago so they get some shitty localization firm to slap a translation together in a few months thinking those same fans are gonna pay for 15 year old entry level garbage
    Always pirate VNs.

  64. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's mostly about the amount of content.
    Not only in text ofc but things as voice and CGs.
    Its its not at least 1 hour = 1 dollar it can frick right off

  65. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How much story should a game have before it should instead just be a VN instead of trying to do gameplay?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      FF14 is the perfect balance imo

  66. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >New chapters cost in game currency to unlock
    >You can only farm so much per day
    >Sometime you have to wait a day or two be able farm enough currency to unlock the next chapter

    took me 100hours to get through CIel No Surge like 3 years ago. Kinda wanna do it again.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I want to eat Ion.

  67. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  68. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  69. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody tell OP what code and textures are.

  70. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    moron.
    Read Clannad, it will fix you emotionally

  71. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not a lot of people buy them so they have to charge a lot just to break even unless you're demanding them to work for free, or actually pay to work since they lose their time and assets aren't free. I don't see you guys talking about independent, free visual novels, ever.

    Many people use time to beat as their argument for game pricing, such as notable freak outs like 2 HOUR CAMPAIGN showed us and visual novels are long as frick. That's another justification. So basically you're a broke b***h who would pirate it still if it only cost $5. If you're a pirate, you don't get to complain about anything because it's free for you.

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