How far can WotC go with their trend of having less and less concrete content per book and still get away with it?

How far can WotC go with their trend of having less and less concrete content per book and still get away with it?
All the handwaving and vagueness means more work for the DM who already paid a plenty of money for the book.

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    As far as they'd like. The next 5e book could be a couple hundred of blank pages, and people would buy it and defend it because it says "Dungeons & Dragons™" on the cover.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Given how shit the rules are why would you want more of them?

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    As long as they throw in a few new overpowered spells or classes for players, people will eat that shit up. Silvery Barbs carried an entire book on it's own, even though any DM with two halves of a brain cell to rub together bans that shit.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >even though any DM with two halves of a brain cell to rub together bans that shit.

      So less than half the DMs running 5e?

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Back in the 3.5 days, I more or less ignored half of the pages in every book because they were irrelevant. They're more or less just cutting out those pages, so I'm not particularly bothered.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They've probably been cutting out the pages you did read anon, so only irrelevant ones are left.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    There are only two things players buy books for: player races and subclass options.
    DMs aren't much different, except they'll also pay for monster statblocks.

    So long as the books have those three things, people will keep buying them.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      As long as they throw in a few new overpowered spells or classes for players, people will eat that shit up. Silvery Barbs carried an entire book on it's own, even though any DM with two halves of a brain cell to rub together bans that shit.

      This

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      This

      It's a pretty stupid comment. No, that's not why DMs buy books. We want the setting, the adventures, and the new rules. Specifically, regarding OP, we bought Spelljammer because we wanted rules for Spelljamming. And we didn't fucking get them and we're pissed.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're welcome to try mine, fren:
        https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PUPhufXUmpRjz2vGZLSSbYEFpUE5O48Ziu9NCfujDeE/edit?usp=sharing
        Still working on the DM worldbuilding tools section (which is gonna end up being more than half the doc). Current WIP is Plot/Quest/NPC generator, but there's already tons for spheres, planets, aliens, ships, etc.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    As long as brainless paypigs keep buying slop. That's how long. Sad thing is, there are plenty of hogs on the farm.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Based and redpilled.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      obsessed and retardpilled
      >DnD is a pile of shit so let me write a paragraph on how bad it smells

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    As long as retards keep buying it. And the world is getting more retarded by the minute

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How far can WotC go with their trend of having less and less concrete content per book and still get away with it?

    *Very* far if the abstract content is good.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    very very far, they're playing the long game, they're low key compelling more DMs to step up and empower their own game, they're swimming around in the shark tank now baby, eventually they will only sell fluffy lore books, with charts and tables full of suggested characters to play in your games.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's a choice for each consumer. I pre-ordered the special edition of Spelljammer. I'm done with WotC, 100%.

      Spelljammer didn't even have any lore. It had garbage, shit, and an ok adventure.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Just remember:
        >WotC releases a blatantly unfinished book
        >The playerbase scrambles to fill the gaps by releasing their homebrew on DM's Guild
        >Every time somebody pays for said homebrew, WotC gets 50% of the money
        >5e players defend this behavior

        >Spelljammer
        when you put it that way..

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just remember:
      >WotC releases a blatantly unfinished book
      >The playerbase scrambles to fill the gaps by releasing their homebrew on DM's Guild
      >Every time somebody pays for said homebrew, WotC gets 50% of the money
      >5e players defend this behavior

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >only 50%
        Most of those homebrewers are doing it for free. They're doing half the work and making all the money.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Could have fooled me anon - I wasn't aware 5e had any lore books, so the first they release will be the first.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That didn't quite come out right: the first fluffy lore book they release will be the first lore book they release is what I meant.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sword coast adventures guide, the first wotc publisged supplement foe 5e was literally just lore with a handful of numbers sprinkled in.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Didn't the blade cantrips and bl*desinger come out in scag?
          Even at that point 5e was already beyond redemption.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah and everyone hated SCAG for being a total ripoff and containing Purple Dragon Knight....the WORST fighter subclass in 5e.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          SCAG is hated because the content in it was fucking trash. Also the sword coast is the least interesting part of any setting WotC owns.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      There's this youtuber who has made hundreds of lore videos for official dnd settings and shit, I think he's a full time "content creator".
      I saw the title and thumbnail for his latest video. "Playing a D&D setting with a different system?", and a picture of him looking at numenera.
      Funny shit. Someone who made it their job to talk about dnd lore realising that zakhara isn't coming back and just accepting the reality of playing another game in the setting he likes.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The other day I ran into a video of a "d&d content creator" seething because people keep telling him to play other games, even though 80% of his videos are about his complaints with 5e.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Link? I'd love to see a 5tard coping over his shitty game.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Found him. He's bitching about Pathfinder specifically, but I don't think it matters too much. I was clearly off the mark when I said 80% of his videos are complaints about 5e, but he still has a good number of them (the video released before this one is literally titled "Has Dungeons & Dragons 5e FAILED DMs?" and has a big "WE'RE TIRED OF FIXING YOUR GAME" text on the thumbnail). He also seems to make sure to cover whatever the latest twitter D&D drama is, with pic related being his latest video.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              he has a good point right away, why would you ask your players to buy a new set of books you don't know you'll actually keep playing with?
              and he's spot on about the "have you tried not playing dnd" people look like a bunch of babyback bitches.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >why would you ask your players to buy a new set of books you don't know you'll actually keep playing with?
                Because nobody at the table has to own a single book to play any game. In the case of Pathfinder, it's all free online.
                >inb4 "b-b-but learning new rulezz!"
                The players don't have to know the rules. Ask them what their character does, help them resolve it. Simple as.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The rules to 5e are better than the rules to 3.xpf. Hands-down. Claim otherwise and be forever wrong. If you'd said the 80s or 90s, you'd have a point. WotC has been a shitshow from the moment they bought D&D, and 5e started out as a chance to bring it back to being D&D, so a lot of us older players had a lot of hope. And the new Ravenloft is genuinely the best D&D adventure ever written, so our hopes were vindicate. Spelljammer is a fuck up on a massive scale, though.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      No, they aren't you lying cunt.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lmao.
      The 5e rules have better scaling than 3.5, and it's nice to be able to get Dex to damage in melee. The movement and action rules are better. Literally everything else is worse.
      >curse of Strahd
      >better than anything
      Cringe. Ravenloft is a cringe setting in general. Just a ripoff of irl culture with muh HECKIN epic vampires. And yes, I've played the module.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >And yes, I've played the module
        Your DM must be garbo. Read it. It's literally the best written D&D adventure.
        >Literally everything else is worse.
        So just the rules for attributes, movement and actions are better. Got it. So the core of gameplay is better and by "worse" what you really mean is "it doesn't have in-depth shit-tons of rules for every little possible situation." Which is good.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >So just the rules for attributes, movement and actions are better.
          That isn't what I said, gay. I said Dex to damage in melee is nice. The attribute rules are fucked up because they are bloated with all bonuses and no penalties and you can easily get 20 in a stat by level 8 if not sooner. They could have at least made ASIs be +1 to two different scores but that doesn't satisfy muh instant gratification so they didn't.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      How can one man be so wrong?

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    HAVE YOU TRIED NOT PLAYING D&D?!

    PLEASE GO BACK TO YOUR CONTAINMENT THREAD!

    DON'T BUY IT, PIRATE IT

    DON'T PLAY D&D

    PIC RELATED

    THINK FOR YOURSELF YOU DUMB CUNT

    THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO IS IMPOTENT HAND WRINGING INSTEAD OF MAKING SHIT YOURSELF AND HAVING FUN WITH IT

    PIC RELATED

    FUCK YOU

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      inciting a flamewar is against le rules

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >flame war
        Fuck you, you dumb cunt.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          that's all that shit is, muh have you tried not blah blah blah

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >We're in the final stages of the söyification of Dungeons and Dragons
    It can and will always get worse.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The endgame is a "ruleset" that's more like a branding bible for streamers and a bunch of novels, artbooks, and travel guides centered around whatever's popular among the streamers.

    We can tell this is endgame because we're about 95% of the way there already.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nice art

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the DM who already paid a plenty of money for the book.
    imagine spending a single cent on WotC products when the internet exists

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    critisizing them means you are a nazi bigot.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well, there's a skeleton crew at WotC like pretty much every TTRPG company. It's kind of weird too, because they could probably just republish 2E lore books updated to 5E and make quite a bit of money. It's already kind of proven that this works because some of the most popular third party works for 5E are a wizards of thay book and a rashemon book.

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