Gygax was right from the start. You have no idea what it's like to be an alien or fantasy creature, and so unable to roleplay. And if you did you ruined the universe because it's no longer alien or fantastical, it's just a skin change.
Everyone ends up acting human anyways, so don't even complain about being limited. Keep the races weird and unknowable.
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Good thing that "weird" and "unknowable" are absolutely worthless as metrics, since they vary so wildly from person to person.
Unknowable is objective, actually.
If a thing is unknowable, nobody can know it, as a universal standard.
Which in actual practice means it doesn't exist even in-setting. See: how every lovecraft adaptation utterly falls apart the moment something "unknowable" actually has to be depicted and cant be just coasted on as being mentioned briefly on the side.
Lovecraft misusing "unknowable" doesn't make it a worthless metric, it means he misused the word.
Magic, and other supernatural powers/forces, must inherently be unknowable in order to match the connotations of their words.
There's quite a few mathematical statements that are true, but which have unknowable proofs. In fact, proving a problem has an unknowable proof proves that it's true. Math is weird.
Nu-D&D is basically just a World of War craft server. Weird shit running around but no one seems to notice ir care. Thanks Troon-Hoomanist fetishists.
By that logic, humans should be the only race that the DM can use as they cannot roleplay or understand a non-human.
So DnD is just humans v humans.
Do Not Disturb is an adult party game, actually. It doesn't have roleplay & it doesn't have a DM & the only humans are the players themselves.
Oh frick off you pedantic moron, you post this over and over like it is going to become a meme or you are clever. You're just fricking autistic and pathetic
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>Imagine you're a <class>, and you have all the bizarre abilities <class> has, and have had them for a while, and your personality and lifestyle are attuned to them
Okay that's just like real life right
>Imagine you're a human, but with longer ears
OH WHAT IS THIS WHAT IS HAPPENING TO ME Black personMAN SAVEEE MEEEE
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"There is absolutely no reason not to let a player be a dragon or anything else, so long as it starts off weak and goes up in power"
t Gary Gygax
"Anon is a gay".
t. Gary Gygax
See? I can make up quotes too. Play humans or don't play fantasy games.
Except that quote is not made up, and OP is a massive homosexual (as usual), and you are too.
Gygax was also right about the DM and players not needing any D&D books, so follow his will and don't buy or pirate D&D at all. Learn game design and make your own games, because the RPG aspect of this hobby is about game masters and players being able to do what they want.
>You have no idea what it's like to be another person or from a fantasy world, and so unable to roleplay. And if you did you ruined the universe because it's no longer another person or fantastical, it's just a skin change.
>Everyone ends up acting like themselves anyways, so don't even complain about being limited. Keep other people weird and unknowable.
Fixed
I don't know. Maybe we can settle on a compromise of having CM Kosemen-esc posthuman abominations as playable characters.
And where does that leave the GM, who roleplays all creatures, humans and beyond? If GM can do it, players can do it. OP is always a homosexual.
>You have no idea what it's like to be an alien or fantasy creature, and so unable to roleplay.
That's confusing race with culture.
You cannot well roleplay a member of an exotic culture. But the minds of almost-humans are human or extremely close to it, so you can roleplay them as well as any humans within the culture they are a part of.
It follows that all PCs must be from within XX or XXI century western culture.
So isekai is the only solution.
>It follows that all PCs must be from within XX or XXI century western culture.
That's basically what ends up happening a lot of the time.
I do agree in a sense. The way the manual is written already makes playable races basically humans cosplaying, so if you're so preoccupied by "balance" or whatever you might as well just make them all human.
The average roleplayer doesn't understand other humans.
>Jehowa Witness was scared of anything that isn't himself and his closest kin
Colour me surprised
It's really a wonder DnD has magic at all, considering standard JW frickery
Do Not Disturb has no magic at all.
Please, I genuinely hope you get mugged by Black folk and one of them smashes your skull in with a brick
Shut the frick up moron.
>Everyone ends up acting human anyways
Who says "acting human" in the context of a world with many sapient beings is a genuine thing, and not just acting sapient in general? That sounds mighty humancentric and presumptuous to me.
Isn't it even more humancentric to equate sapience itself with humanlike behavior?
There's no reason to assume that any animal, given a human level of intelligence, would act the same way a human does.
I don't think it "should" be that way for all settings, but that's how I prefer to run mine.
>Gygax was right from the start.
Considering youre wrong, in that his earliest writing on it was to allow anyone to be anything, with the only restriction being to start weak.
>You have no idea what it's like to be an alien or fantasy creature, and so unable to roleplay.
You have no idea what its like to be a german Landsknecht, a french WW2 sniper, a hyper-advanced Japanese cyborg from the 23rd century, or any number of other basically human beings, this argument is both silly and immediately refuted. You cannot roleplay anything because you do not have the personal knowledge to play anything besides your own person, and even then most only barely know themselves. And most of the species you would roleplay as are so close to human, and yet weirdly not, that playing them as variant humans is perfectly fine. Human thought isn't unique, and much of what we consider the human condition is just what any sapient social biped would be like.
>Autismo can't grasp the concept of roleplaying, episode 87549126
>You can't roleplay, because I can't imagine [thing]
Is this what being an npc looks like?
If you are brain-damaged, that's on you. stop insisting your disfunctionality is a norm. Besides, there are financial benefits for being certified moron, you are better off applying for it than pretending you're in any way functional adult human being.
>game devolves into purely numbers vs numbers
>don't ask my to give you my numbers while pretending I'm an elf tho, can't do that
This shit is the dumbest argument I've ever heard. It is just as easy to grasp fighting a dragon as it is to grasp roleplaying an elf. Why? Because they're both fictional as frick and every aspect of it is imagination and speculation.
Such dumb fricks with such weak-ass minds.
I think for the most part you are right.
I feel like a lot of players are so caught up in making their characters "special" (IE the most blinging race with the most unintentionally over the top or edgelord back story) that they cease being a character just a sum of attributes. And those players are generally the type never evolve their character away from those basic attributes.
Like you could pick the most generic character, a nature loving elf archer and turn that character into something really if you tried. And result is always going to be better than the turbo unique weirdo characters some of these people make.
As someone new to the hobby, can you truly wvolve your character? The fact that you need to situate your characters in a good/bad lawful/chaotic axis when you create them sends me the opposite message.
Now I've always heard that this was about xollective storytelling, so I'm inclined to believe you, but the rules seem to work against dynamic character writing.
The alignment is not a straight jacket, it should inform you what the characters core is and what responses are most likely from him. There is a section in the book explaining how, if your character acts against their alignments it should change to reflect your roleplay.
If you mark your character as Lawful Good, that means he should act in lawful and good ways.
Most of the alignment is le bad or alignment shouldn't exist shit comes from that ´layers who insist that they should still be lawful good heroes that the peasants love even while acting like chaotic evil monsters that burn down orphanages so they can rape the burnt corpses of the orphans.
Well if your alignments change when your character develops why do they exist in the first place? You can't deny the chart's existence exerts a certain pressure to play by its rules.
>I can't imagine this
>Therefore, you can't play it
Let me guess - you're some sort of fundie, aren't you?
Gygax let someone play a balrog in one of his games you stupid nogames homosexual.
I think the issue is not in letting players choose different races, the issue lies in the standarization of all races. Like how they all live together in modern fantasy worlds, they all have the same classes and work almost exactly the same.
>Gygax was right
Agreed, humans-only homosexuals are gigantic queers and he was right to let his players be elves, halflings, balrogs and dragons. A fantasy creature is nothing but what humans imagine it to be in the first place, so that they have been conceived of at all means they are suitable to roleplay.
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My mind works at about 20 paces faster than everyone else's, I could roleplay an entire party at once if I wanted, an elf is NOTHING to me.
>You have no idea what it's like to be an alien or fantasy creature
speak for yourself, brainlet
That's why all my playable characters are actually derivations of humans. Tieflings? Humans with an unfortunate hereditary disease. Half-elves? Humans with alien unfamiliar bodies but psychologically unchanged. Half-dwarves? Don't exist, play a buff midget instead. Halflings? They get a pass because they're just small humans but I'm watching you.
>That's why all my playable characters are actually derivations of humans.
I did that in my sci-fantasy campaign. All other races were engineered through magic and natural humans, while most populous, were also one of the bottom rungs of society.
>You have no idea what it's like to be an alien or fantasy creature
actually I totally do, firsthand