I know it seems like a stupid mistake to make, but in the context of this world would you assume that a second talking hedgehog suddenly appeared or that this was just Sonic with a different look?
they are "normal" animal people too they just dont live with the humans very often. but if mobians werent normal in the sonic world all the NPCs would freak out when you talk to them. GUN deliberately called him sonic to cover up the existence of project shadow. they captured sonic so that they could have him disappear when they kill shadow, otherwise people would get suHispanicious. on top of that the footage shown was probably blurry as fuck, and shadow has basically identical abilities to sonic since he was based on him.
nobody has ever seen hyper sonic except for eggman and tails. meanwhile sonic went super in a major city as everyone cheered him on in the previous game
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Other shit like Darkspine and shit. Besides, even if you say only Super is canon, the public doesn't know that.
>Hyper isn't canon
No thanks.
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Iizuka said so, said it was never anything more then a bonus for linking 3&K and so they got rid of it when solidifying Emerald lore in Adventure.
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Anonymous
Hyper was never anything but a reward for combining S3 and SK together.
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Anonymous
Iizuka said so, said it was never anything more then a bonus for linking 3&K and so they got rid of it when solidifying Emerald lore in Adventure.
>A feature/story element in the most historic game in its franchise is not canon because Iizuka of all people said so
No thank you.
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Anonymous
You realize Iizuka worked on 3 right? If he says it was just a bonus, it was just a bonus.
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Anonymous
>The game was the most compremises to evne come out has last minute additions only designed for padding out content isn't suppose to be discarded because autistic tacoballfags liked it too much
Take meds.
Who do you think knows MORE about the Sonic lore? Me or Iizuka?
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Anonymous
A secret third option
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Anonymous
A secret third option
i know more about sonic lore than anybody. i am the biggest autist in the fanbase. more than half of the knowledge in my brain is just sonic lore. and delusional headcanons. fight me.
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Alright. Without resorting to any headcanons or meta reasons, give me a solid answer as to how Blaze can be from another dimension in Rush, but from the future in 06. She can't be both, and Sonic undoing the events of 06 shouldn't fundamentally change her backstory.
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Anonymous
blaze goes to the rush world when she "dies", this was explained by maekawa
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Anonymous
Fair enough, but then how is Blaze royalty in the Sol dimension if she isn't originally from there? And why does she not remember Sonic?
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Anonymous
NTA but >And why does she not remember Sonic?
She remembers 06 by Generations, as far as we know Sonic and Blaze are the only characters who know 06 happened.
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>i am the biggest autist in the fanbase
Bullshit.
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>The game was the most compremises to evne come out has last minute additions only designed for padding out content isn't suppose to be discarded because autistic tacoballfags liked it too much
Take meds.
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Anonymous
>most compremises to evne
what the fuck am I reading
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Anonymous
>He doesn't know the development cycle of S3K
Zoom Zoom.
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Anonymous
I know about that, I'm making fun of your bizarre typos you dumbo.
But black? And retard, no one KNEW we could. Only Gold. That's like religious levels of normal thinking. Black is, in many situations, not normal to just turn into.
The whole thing doesn't make sense if you really think about it. Where did Sonic come from if another hedgehog running around is enough to be mistaken as an imposter? Why did Sonic call him a faker if he didn't do explocitly anything to make himself seem like Sonic?
Well Sonic demonstrated that he could change forms with the power of the chaos emeralds, and Shadow's quill shape is (was) identical to Super Sonic's. It wouldn't be unreasonable for people to mistake Shadow for Sonic, who's undergone some kind of evil transformation.
Of course, that's just head canon and the real reason people thought Shadow was Sonic was that the story was finalized back when Shadow's design was just Sonic with a scar across his face. The funniest thing about it was that they didn't learn their lesson and made the exact same mistake with Silver in 06.
He looks similar to Sonic but that doesn't mean he is Sonic, if I didn't know who Shadow was I'd call him Sonic's brother, no chance people would think they're the same if footage surfaced of Sonic charging at Shadow, they had full color video recordings 50 years before SA2 happened.
clothings are for the worthless women who waste all their time.
men should unironically walk around naked with just shoes for the ground and spend time on what's really important in life.
This plot point unironically made more sense in Sonic X. They only had security footage from a dark museum at night of Shadow taking an emerald, and considering it is explicitly not in Sonic's world, it makes total sense for people to think it was Sonic.
SA2 has no excuse.
It's simple, this can all be explained by the Genesis games. Sonic comes from a time when hedgehogs were commonplace, but during Sonic CD, Sonic, Amy, and Eggman time traveled to a time where hedgehogs became extinct, and Sonic and Amy are the only ones left. Tales of Sonic's heroic deeds in Sonic 1 is the reason why you see the hedgehog statues and mural in Sonic 3, and the reason why Eggman was shocked to see the video of his grandfather is because he didn't expect to find Gerald found himself in the future as well. Shadow was actually based on an ancient hedgehog that Gerald believed to be the ultimate lifeform that ended up being Sonic. Silver is Sonic and Amy's descendant.
you can. it couldve come to someone in a dream or something, and then the stories got spread around. like literally nearly every religion on earth ever.
You missed the part where the reason why shadow is different to the other ultimate life form experiment is because of the mural for Chaos. Biolizard was an attempt at recreating the huge lizard (perfect chaos) from that whereas shadow was the one with a hedgehog.
I forgot about that. Honestly this makes SEGA trying to pretend that Classic and Modern Sonic are from different universes and not part of the same canon even more retarded.
it's literally a non issue though, just have 2 universes where the exact same events happen but one of them has classic characters instead of modern characters. its a shit solution but it wouldnt have even been needed if they didnt pander to millenifats bitching about green eyes back in the late 00's. before gens came out it was just an artstyle change, like how banjo looks retarded in nuts & bolts. he didnt CANONICALLY change to look more retarded, it was just an artstyle change.
God why do you morons keep confusing what Forces localization fucking said?
Classic Sonic Gens forward is the same classic Sonic from the 90s but SPLIT OFF from the Adventure timeline because of the TIME EATER. There WAS no Time Eater between S3K and SA1 in the original timeline, what so hard about this to understand? Forces fucked up the localization, it's obviously mean from "Another Timeline" but they used "Dimension" because the Jap word for both are the same thing. And from a scientic standpoint it IS another dimension, as time itself IS a dimension.
The point is there was never this Modern only Sonic and classic only Sonic. Generations just fucked with the timeline to cause a canonical split in the main timeline just like Zelda and DBZ fucking did it. Why is this so hard to understand? The plan was to take classic Sonic into a direction different from SA1 onward with Mania, but it's clear so many Adventurefags seethed over the mere thought they abandoned it and hired Ian to autistic connect it all into one canon, to the point now fucking Boom , the movies and even Prime somehow are canon to game Sonic.
>to the point now fucking Boom
what
boom has never been canon you retard
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Sticks is now canon to Mainline Sonic thanks to Frontiers. It's stated in game by Amy Rose. And until they explictly state it's just a "Modern Sticks" they never talked about until now, it's THE boom Sticks since it's the only Sticks we know of.
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Anonymous
sticks was canonized in the 25th anniversary comic 7 years ago. alongside the modern characters.
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alongside gore magala?
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Anonymous
>sticks was canonized in the 25th anniversary comic 7 years ago.
That's not a game. Amy also debuted in a comic, that doesn't make the comic fucking canon idiot. Do you think SEGA thought about that when allowing that line being said in Frontiers?
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Flynn admitted that he just got to okay to reference Sticks and Tangle from ST, until they actually appear, I wouldn't get excited.
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Allowing Ian off his leash is already allowing too much to slide into the games.
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Anonymous
They're trying to say everything is canon which doesn't work. If that's the case then how is Sonic Underground canon as well as the movie when Sonic is sent to the human world as a baby?
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Anonymous
Everyone is doing the multiverse shit nowadays so don't be surprised when you start seeing multiple Sonics. They even hinted towards multiple Sonics in one of those Tails videos. Hell, Sonic Prime is all about the multiverse.
Flynn shot the Chaos connection down, otherwise it'd just be a giant artifical Chaos. Most com.on theory aside from that is that they started with a lizard for their regeneration powers since the medical benefits were the main concern.
X also doubled down on the implication that Sonic was the real final product of Project Shadow. As for the game, there's the argument to be made that the footage we see is a lot clearer for our benefit then it is in universe. Fast moving night shots don't typically lead to clear images.
was unfortunately completely gone by SA2. sonic shouldve been more like the OVA, i dont care if they gave him green eyes but imagine if we got a game with fully animated OVA cutscenes like megaman
It was government misdirection and shadow looks like your moms idea of "evil sonic", and the only other hedgehog around is pink and wears a frilly dress and wouldn't rob a bank
Whatever is canon is true to the games. That's why people are so obsessed with canon. You have people like comicsfags wanting the comics to be canon. Other fans like Xfags or SATAMfags wanting their shows to be canon.
I think Forces mindbroke some particularly autistic autists in this fanbase because of the "another dimension" mistranslation. That made some people start insisting X game was not canon but Y game was, I remember when Frontiers came out there were people seething that "the classic games were now canon to the 3D games" as if they weren't before.
i swear i replied to this thread already
Is that your username?
I know it seems like a stupid mistake to make, but in the context of this world would you assume that a second talking hedgehog suddenly appeared or that this was just Sonic with a different look?
He’s a different color for gosh sakes
Why are you so fucking racist towards Islanders?
they are "normal" animal people too they just dont live with the humans very often. but if mobians werent normal in the sonic world all the NPCs would freak out when you talk to them. GUN deliberately called him sonic to cover up the existence of project shadow. they captured sonic so that they could have him disappear when they kill shadow, otherwise people would get suHispanicious. on top of that the footage shown was probably blurry as fuck, and shadow has basically identical abilities to sonic since he was based on him.
>knowing this much about sonic lore
Autism
no shit retard you're in a sonic thread
That's true!
Also it was nighttime and Shadow is a sillihoute of Super Sonic.
>is a sillihoute of Super Sonic.
>When Super Sonic radiants bright gold
Autism.
If Sonic can turn gold, why wouldn't he be able to turn other colours? OH WAIT HE FUCKING CAN.
nobody has ever seen hyper sonic except for eggman and tails. meanwhile sonic went super in a major city as everyone cheered him on in the previous game
Other shit like Darkspine and shit. Besides, even if you say only Super is canon, the public doesn't know that.
hyper sonic isnt canon
>Hyper isn't canon
No thanks.
Iizuka said so, said it was never anything more then a bonus for linking 3&K and so they got rid of it when solidifying Emerald lore in Adventure.
Hyper was never anything but a reward for combining S3 and SK together.
>A feature/story element in the most historic game in its franchise is not canon because Iizuka of all people said so
No thank you.
You realize Iizuka worked on 3 right? If he says it was just a bonus, it was just a bonus.
Who do you think knows MORE about the Sonic lore? Me or Iizuka?
A secret third option
i know more about sonic lore than anybody. i am the biggest autist in the fanbase. more than half of the knowledge in my brain is just sonic lore. and delusional headcanons. fight me.
Alright. Without resorting to any headcanons or meta reasons, give me a solid answer as to how Blaze can be from another dimension in Rush, but from the future in 06. She can't be both, and Sonic undoing the events of 06 shouldn't fundamentally change her backstory.
blaze goes to the rush world when she "dies", this was explained by maekawa
Fair enough, but then how is Blaze royalty in the Sol dimension if she isn't originally from there? And why does she not remember Sonic?
NTA but
>And why does she not remember Sonic?
She remembers 06 by Generations, as far as we know Sonic and Blaze are the only characters who know 06 happened.
>i am the biggest autist in the fanbase
Bullshit.
>The game was the most compremises to evne come out has last minute additions only designed for padding out content isn't suppose to be discarded because autistic tacoballfags liked it too much
Take meds.
>most compremises to evne
what the fuck am I reading
>He doesn't know the development cycle of S3K
Zoom Zoom.
I know about that, I'm making fun of your bizarre typos you dumbo.
But black? And retard, no one KNEW we could. Only Gold. That's like religious levels of normal thinking. Black is, in many situations, not normal to just turn into.
The whole thing doesn't make sense if you really think about it. Where did Sonic come from if another hedgehog running around is enough to be mistaken as an imposter? Why did Sonic call him a faker if he didn't do explocitly anything to make himself seem like Sonic?
It's obviously a different hedgehog. The one on the right is black and red, whereas the left is blue and tan. Their attitudes are also different
GUN knew that Shadow wasn't Sonic, they just framed him so they could cover it up.
Well Sonic demonstrated that he could change forms with the power of the chaos emeralds, and Shadow's quill shape is (was) identical to Super Sonic's. It wouldn't be unreasonable for people to mistake Shadow for Sonic, who's undergone some kind of evil transformation.
Of course, that's just head canon and the real reason people thought Shadow was Sonic was that the story was finalized back when Shadow's design was just Sonic with a scar across his face. The funniest thing about it was that they didn't learn their lesson and made the exact same mistake with Silver in 06.
He looks similar to Sonic but that doesn't mean he is Sonic, if I didn't know who Shadow was I'd call him Sonic's brother, no chance people would think they're the same if footage surfaced of Sonic charging at Shadow, they had full color video recordings 50 years before SA2 happened.
t. Amy
I'm not Amy, I'm just stupid.
Amy is not stupid, hedgehogs just locate each others by smell and shadow probably smells like Sonic. It's not that hard to understand.
The real question is, why is Amy wearing clothes if Sonic runs around naked?
clothings are for the worthless women who waste all their time.
men should unironically walk around naked with just shoes for the ground and spend time on what's really important in life.
Clicked on this thread just to see this post lmao
>that time Amy was clearly written asSilver's girlfriend
What were they thinking?
Silver is Sonic from another universe
reminder that sa2 is the greatest vidya soundtrack ever recorded
You could say that about most Sonic games.
This plot point unironically made more sense in Sonic X. They only had security footage from a dark museum at night of Shadow taking an emerald, and considering it is explicitly not in Sonic's world, it makes total sense for people to think it was Sonic.
SA2 has no excuse.
It's simple, this can all be explained by the Genesis games. Sonic comes from a time when hedgehogs were commonplace, but during Sonic CD, Sonic, Amy, and Eggman time traveled to a time where hedgehogs became extinct, and Sonic and Amy are the only ones left. Tales of Sonic's heroic deeds in Sonic 1 is the reason why you see the hedgehog statues and mural in Sonic 3, and the reason why Eggman was shocked to see the video of his grandfather is because he didn't expect to find Gerald found himself in the future as well. Shadow was actually based on an ancient hedgehog that Gerald believed to be the ultimate lifeform that ended up being Sonic. Silver is Sonic and Amy's descendant.
what the fuck did i just read
You just read kino. You can't explain this mural on Angel Island without time travel being involved.
>You can't explain this mural on Angel Island without time travel being involved.
It's an ancient prophecy of Jim Carrey attempting to steal the master emerald, but he is thwarted by a super saiyan midget.
you can. it couldve come to someone in a dream or something, and then the stories got spread around. like literally nearly every religion on earth ever.
You missed the part where the reason why shadow is different to the other ultimate life form experiment is because of the mural for Chaos. Biolizard was an attempt at recreating the huge lizard (perfect chaos) from that whereas shadow was the one with a hedgehog.
I forgot about that. Honestly this makes SEGA trying to pretend that Classic and Modern Sonic are from different universes and not part of the same canon even more retarded.
it's literally a non issue though, just have 2 universes where the exact same events happen but one of them has classic characters instead of modern characters. its a shit solution but it wouldnt have even been needed if they didnt pander to millenifats bitching about green eyes back in the late 00's. before gens came out it was just an artstyle change, like how banjo looks retarded in nuts & bolts. he didnt CANONICALLY change to look more retarded, it was just an artstyle change.
God why do you morons keep confusing what Forces localization fucking said?
Classic Sonic Gens forward is the same classic Sonic from the 90s but SPLIT OFF from the Adventure timeline because of the TIME EATER. There WAS no Time Eater between S3K and SA1 in the original timeline, what so hard about this to understand? Forces fucked up the localization, it's obviously mean from "Another Timeline" but they used "Dimension" because the Jap word for both are the same thing. And from a scientic standpoint it IS another dimension, as time itself IS a dimension.
The point is there was never this Modern only Sonic and classic only Sonic. Generations just fucked with the timeline to cause a canonical split in the main timeline just like Zelda and DBZ fucking did it. Why is this so hard to understand? The plan was to take classic Sonic into a direction different from SA1 onward with Mania, but it's clear so many Adventurefags seethed over the mere thought they abandoned it and hired Ian to autistic connect it all into one canon, to the point now fucking Boom , the movies and even Prime somehow are canon to game Sonic.
>to the point now fucking Boom
what
boom has never been canon you retard
Sticks is now canon to Mainline Sonic thanks to Frontiers. It's stated in game by Amy Rose. And until they explictly state it's just a "Modern Sticks" they never talked about until now, it's THE boom Sticks since it's the only Sticks we know of.
sticks was canonized in the 25th anniversary comic 7 years ago. alongside the modern characters.
alongside gore magala?
>sticks was canonized in the 25th anniversary comic 7 years ago.
That's not a game. Amy also debuted in a comic, that doesn't make the comic fucking canon idiot. Do you think SEGA thought about that when allowing that line being said in Frontiers?
Flynn admitted that he just got to okay to reference Sticks and Tangle from ST, until they actually appear, I wouldn't get excited.
Allowing Ian off his leash is already allowing too much to slide into the games.
They're trying to say everything is canon which doesn't work. If that's the case then how is Sonic Underground canon as well as the movie when Sonic is sent to the human world as a baby?
Everyone is doing the multiverse shit nowadays so don't be surprised when you start seeing multiple Sonics. They even hinted towards multiple Sonics in one of those Tails videos. Hell, Sonic Prime is all about the multiverse.
Flynn shot the Chaos connection down, otherwise it'd just be a giant artifical Chaos. Most com.on theory aside from that is that they started with a lizard for their regeneration powers since the medical benefits were the main concern.
X also doubled down on the implication that Sonic was the real final product of Project Shadow. As for the game, there's the argument to be made that the footage we see is a lot clearer for our benefit then it is in universe. Fast moving night shots don't typically lead to clear images.
I fucking hate this artstyle, Go back to something like SA2. Give them longer limbs ffs
It should go back to its anime influence.
was unfortunately completely gone by SA2. sonic shouldve been more like the OVA, i dont care if they gave him green eyes but imagine if we got a game with fully animated OVA cutscenes like megaman
SA2 was extremely anime. What are you talking about?
i meant the look of the game, like the human characters
SA2 is like the most "anime" Sonic has ever been, and he's had animes.
This is why I prefer classic only, Sonic x human limbs is the most furrygay reaction to ever have
I mean sonic turned into a werewolf that one time so whos to say he didn't put on blackface?
This is a tricky one
Or what if?
>.T
Shut up, I'm not Amy.
the hedgehog obviously
But which one?
Shadow is like an alien monster shaped like one right? He's not a real hedgehog
Look, if it's night time, Sonic and Shadow look practically the same under poor lighting.
Not really.
On an SD quality square 90's TV, ya rly.
Shut up Amy
I'm not Amy, they just look similar. Can't you understand that?
Give me sex, Amy
I'm a human, not a hedgehog.
It was government misdirection and shadow looks like your moms idea of "evil sonic", and the only other hedgehog around is pink and wears a frilly dress and wouldn't rob a bank
is this how i finally notice that shadow has different skin color than sonic?
>initials:StH
>fast as fuck
>can use the chaos emeralds
This is a tough one.
I saw a white hedgehog squashed on a road a few days ago. 🙁
Why did this fanbase need everything to be canon? What's so hard in thinking something is a seperate canon from the main timeline games?
Is it just because people seethed the idea the main timeline being retcon was what started all this?
No one's gotten over Sega not giving a fuck after Shadow's game.
Whatever is canon is true to the games. That's why people are so obsessed with canon. You have people like comicsfags wanting the comics to be canon. Other fans like Xfags or SATAMfags wanting their shows to be canon.
I think Forces mindbroke some particularly autistic autists in this fanbase because of the "another dimension" mistranslation. That made some people start insisting X game was not canon but Y game was, I remember when Frontiers came out there were people seething that "the classic games were now canon to the 3D games" as if they weren't before.
Excalibur is the best Super Sonic look and it's not even close.
It makes a lot more sense if you look at how shadow was originally meant to look like
Damn, he's buff.
Left is Blue Knuckles, right is Black Knuckles.
>Black Knuckles
so just regular knuckles?
True.