I don't get it

It's like they learned nothing from PoE. Zilch, zero.
So many bad decisions akin to previous diablo games, such as the shallow itemization and skill tree. Also pathetic monster density.
Also the way you gear up with helltide and dungeons seems moronic as frick. Where are the crafting options?
Why arent they making it more like PoE? As I see it this game will be dead after 2 months

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >it's shit because it's not exactly the same as path of exile
    kys poedrone

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's shit because it's a dumbed down simplified version of not only PoE but a ton of others Arpgs on the market. Games like that have no longevity

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >WAAH WHY DOESNT BLIZZARD MAKE DEEP GAMES?

        Blizzard always made shallow games.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because D2 is better
    That said, they also don't make it close enough to D2 even though they said they would try

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      D2 is dogshit and trying to make it like D2 is bad

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        D2 is the reason the genre exists.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          And every single game since has been smarter men realizing d2 was dogshit and should be fixed

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            D2 was dogshit in many ways but i still feel like replaying it now and then.
            I never have any wish to replay D3.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            D2LoD has idiosyncrasies that D2R is seemingly trying to fix (more build variety for casual play for example), but back in the day D3 was trying to be different from D2 only because D3 devs hated Blizzard North with passion.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        morons are out tonight.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Well no. It's pretty much the best Blizzard has and about the only thing on any kind of even keel with Grim Dawn. PoE is a western gacha game. Play it if you must, but I want nothing to do with it. I'm after an aRPG, not a slot machine.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        moron.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Making another game like D2 is dumb, d2 exists and it even has a remake That's enough D2.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous
      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        they hated him because he told the truth

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        d2 was good for its time, but yeah it doesnt age or hold up that well.
        the only reason i still do a run or so every few years is because of nostalgia and nothing more.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        solid bait

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        D2 was literally genre defining.
        Sure, it wasn't perfect but frick me if it wasn't addictive to a point where I spend 5 years playing it.
        That aside, I'll happily admit I wouldn't have spend ~5 years on it if it wasn't for Mousepad.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >X was never good

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The old fart fears the non-conformist zoomer, as they spoke with true and wisdom.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I'm litterally discovering the Diablo franchise with D2 as we speak (currently in Kurast) and it's fricking good, even though I think I fricked up with the skills I bought.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >even though I think I fricked up with the skills I bought.
          Don't sweat it that's part of the experience.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        playing d2 rn, homosexual

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why would you expect Blizzard to learn and make right decisions?

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    PoE already exist. Why imitate when you can build in a different direction and thus fish for an untapped audience?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Its not in a different direction though thats the issue, its for the most part identical to previous diablo games with a few changes

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Oh no that's terrible the previous games were such commercial failures after all

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          They werent but the arpg landscape is different today than it was in those days. They have actual competition now, thats the point. And they don't seem to understand that at all.
          You'd have to be 80 IQ to not see how hard this game is gonna flop

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Diablo has something no other diabloclone has which is a compelling world and story, the majority of players don't give a shit about your loot casino hell games, they will buy it for other reasons.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I mean sure if you’re willing to concede that its a story play it once and dump it game thats fine with me. For some reason I suspect thats not what most people want though

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Most people want exactly that, a decent rpg to dump some 100 hours into and be done with it until the expansion comes out a year later. Only severely autistic people stay for the loot casino, PoE is a containment game.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >compelling world and story
              What are you talking about anon? Diablo world and story is some generic drivel.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's an OG generic drivel that captured the imagination of the public and stayed relevant for decades.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >captured the imagination of the public
                No it didn't. This board has few lore threads and Diablo lore isn't one of them.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I guarantee you have never and will never have sex.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Diablo 3 is the worst argpg and one of the worst blizzard games every made. Just because blizzard is the marvel of gaming and even terrible shit sells doesn't make that shit not bad. There is an infinite supply of rubes who will buy anything. There is no way to objectively grade a creations quality based on sales any longer.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What fricking untapped audience? This game will be played by pathetic blizzdrones in extreme denial and normies who will only flock to it because "diablo is this big series everyone talks about, so this is the new hot thing" and some asiatics attracted by its MMO-like game design.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why arent they making it more like PoE?
    They want a bigger more casual audience. Like D3 is simple and sold over 30.000.000 times. 4 will also do that overtime

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It didn't sell those numbers because it was simple, it sold because it's Diablo and people were excited to play it again after D2.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It didn't sell those numbers because it was simple, it sold because it's Diablo and people were excited to play it again after D2.

      the biggest seller in the D3 family line was immortal. Remember, the phone game. It being super casual payed up as casual phone homosexuals have never even heard of D2, much less grinded it.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >It's like they learned nothing from PoE. Zilch, zero.
    Why would they want to learn from a bad game?

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    crafting is fricking gay

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why copy PoE which doesn't really require money when you can copy Lost Ark instead?

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    diablo 4 will be the heroes 6 of the franchise.
    people remembered homm4, but nobody fricking cared about 6.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They're trying to GAAS It. One month with a "d4 has the best selling* week ever!" * Means napkins on burger king not games false advertising scam news. Only blizz crackfiends Will play It

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They're not gonna make a complex game for gamers, they want this game to sell so they're gonna make something that appeals to every general idiot so they can microtransaction the hell out of it.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Getting it just for Lilith.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >poe
    Its trying to be american Lost Ark, not poe

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >all these zoomers shitting on D2 and coping about PoE
    LMAO

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They've convinced themselves D3 was actually good
      Ganker contrarianism has gotten out of hand

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        d3 is a good game, period
        the only thing it did wrong was the real money AH (which got removed) and the initial difficulty curve (which they fixed)

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          homie D4 aint even have no trading!! Aint no way you not capping?!!

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >yes i want to buy all the items with real money and never play the game
            why are you like this?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Ive never paid money for items in PoE moron. Only stashes

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                game isnt botted to shit with russians that sell items, not at all, nuh uh

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Giving a shit about botting is the most reddit thing possible in moder gayming culture.
                Man i aint give no hoots about bots, get it?!!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Botter detected

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No i just play the game as it is and dont care about what others do

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Then you shouldn't care if they work out ways to neutralize botters either.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Thats right i dont care and never cared. If devs dont want bots its up to them. I just play the game as is and decide whether I enjoy it or not. No amount of armchair devving about how botting impacts economy for better or for worse changes that

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                If you were competing in leaderboards or pvp you would care about botting because it directly impacts those players, getting rid of bots and trading is a huge leap forward for the genre.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >If you were competing in leaderboards or pvp

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                So some players fun is less worth than others?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No, but as i said i dont give a shit whether there are bots or not. You thinking i would suddenly give a shit about PvPers or leaderbord chasers is laughable

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You might be able to macro gamepad input to the keyboard with an external remapper depending on how blizzard handles the input

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Trading was the best thing about D2 before d2jsp israelites killed the game.
              The genre is simply just worse off now than it was 20 years ago, and we can't go back because either we don't have trading which is anti-fun, or we do have trading and excessive p2w real money item sellers involved which is also anti-fun

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                if you give the average player nowadays a system to skip gear progression through any means he will use it
                same happened to wow classic, at first it was ok, now its GDKP goldbuying central for people that literally buy EVERYTHING with real money since working and buying shit is more efficient than actually playing the game
                its ridiculous, in every guild ive been 50-60% of people straight up buy gold, hundreds of thousands and later cry about bots ruining the economy, people are this fricking dense

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >excessive p2w real money item sellers involved which is also anti-fun
                Just nuke SEA and china, trading and mmo economies are good again. It's a win win for everyone.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >d4 has no trading
            fricking sold frick the tradegays SSF sisters its our time now

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          diablo 3 is fun for exactly 3 days at a time
          meanwhile diablo 2 can be played for weeks while working towards a goal
          i just wonder which direction d4 will take

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >meanwhile diablo 2 can be played for weeks while working towards a goal
            Says a person who hasn't played it for 20 years.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          D3 has no character progression or gear progression. You are literally handed a set for free each season then you farm for 1-2 hours at season start for a couple legendries to go with it and in the cube, then you're done. There is no progression there at all. You can be endgame ready full build day 1. The only thing you're looking for is rerolls of items you ALREADY HAVE for crit or area damage depending on your gear.
          Its like playing an MMO and they give you endgame raid tier for free on your first day of playing, its fricking moronic. Might as well be a lobby game where you just click play and it plops you in a greater rift with whatever build loadout you want

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            the free set is shit and is basic cooky cutter stuff that lets you get to the beginning of the actual endgame
            >no progression at all
            what are grifts?
            >You can be endgame ready full build day 1
            if you mean you can clear torment 12 rifts then yes, if you actually want to clear harder stuff then no

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              not that homosexual but, depending on the season and meta and patchnote buffs, the free set can be the same set you use to clear 150s. and you can speedfarm T16/gr90s after a day with it.

              after set+legends all you 'hunt' is the same with better stats

              D3 is fun for 2-4 days at seasonstart

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >after set+legends all you 'hunt' is the same with better stats
                so just like poe and d2?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Similar, but no free gear in them.

                All of the mentioned arpgs suck in their own ways, yes including D2

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                in d3 you can deck out your character in few days of casual play, meanwhile you can play d2 for a long time and keep finding upgrades and won't hit max level for a long time
                the way your character progresses is just fundamentally different

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >no progression at all
              >what are grifts?
              homie I said CHARACTER PROGRESSION as in the entire point of an arpg you thick c**t
              Doesnt matter if you dont want the seasonal set either the others drop like candy too, you can have whatever build you want online on day 1 and the only thing you will be changing is rerolls of stats on the same pieces of gear. So there is literally no gear progression.
              On top of this the only forms of character progression are 1 modifier rune on each skill, which is an absolute joke when you consider even D2 had skill trees you could invest in, arpgs are coming out these days with passive trees for each skill now for god sake not literally 1 of a few runes to apply to a spell, its a fricking joke. Then you have the paragon system which applies flat % modifiers to the blandest shit like health or area damage or crit, further worsening the problem of number inflation.
              There have been some bad arpgs over the years but there has yet to be a game that foregoes every single aspect of an arpg like D3 did, its literally an anti-arpg

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                poe does what you describe and people play the same shit or one meta build every league that involves 7 passives, a dash ability and one button that actually does damage
                whew lad

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                What makes you think I like PoE either dickhead?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >if you actually want to clear harder stuff
              Wow this same pack of mobs has 3 trillion health instead of 2.5 trillion health. I'm sure glad I farmed for 5 extra hours so I could really feel the progression.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                if you aren't a numbers autist why are you playing a clickan?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >looking for is rerolls of items you ALREADY HAVE
            D2 is full of this to an even worse extent in some cases because of how rare so much shit is like 2 socket crown of ages or eth reapers toll
            Even at the low end of gear making a dozen spirits because the FCR rolled less than max

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah but in D2 on season start you dont just get handed instantly your endgame build, by the time you are looking for rerolls of specific items that's around endgame for your season. In D3 thats literally day 1, a few hours after getting haedrics gift (if you havent already had your set drop on the way). D3 seasons are so laughable because the item progression is literally non-existent, its no wonder the game is dead if people are at the end point straight away just going into grifts lol

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Its like playing an MMO and they give you endgame raid tier for free on your first day of playing, its fricking moronic
            Yeah imagine if the game focused on player skill rather than gear. How awful.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >game focused on player skill
              Diablo and POE are skill based games? That's a new one

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              You're in the wrong genre if you want that moron, arpgs have always been about character and gear progression, not 'skill'. Go play AoE2 or something and master your apm if you care that much about competitiveness. These games are about build variety and creativity not dumb shit like that

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >It's always been this way
                >Therefore we're not allowed to ever change anything or try anything new
                >By the way this genre is so stagnant LMAO

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            this post is a pure lie and I expect no less from Ganker

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >this post is a lie but I will make no effort in explaining why, just post literally nothing in response
              im intrigued then, what is it im supposedly lying about? I've played D3 at release and since reaper of souls for multiple seasons, even this recent one. This is literally how the game plays

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >focus all of your content and progression around endgame
            >skip players to the end game on Season 700 because that's where the actual gameplay is at this point
            MMOs do this as well and have done this for decades.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >D3 has no character progression
            Stopped reading there, you should be shitting on D3 for its character progression not lack of it. D3 Paragon is the worst endgame progression system in the genre, and the lack of any meaningful bosses aside from GR bosses is insane. Everything in T16 falls over with a decent set.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              the overworld matters just as much as it did in diablo 2. ie not at all

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          D3 has level scaled enemies which for an arpg is the most spectacularly stupid design decision imaginable.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i played poe it was honestly dogshit

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Poe is midwit diablo 3. Youre not more unique or intelligent for looking up a meta build in your unnecessary ffx sphere grid levelling system. At the end of the day its a spam ability to clear the whole screen hack and slash. Poe and diablo 3 have identical gameplay

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      D3 has much better gameplay than PoE

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        At this point (other than ruthless) they play the exact same

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I like diablo 3 more also

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Poe has much better bosses, but the rest of the game is shit

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    D3 is a perfectly fine game now
    poe is an overblown carcass with pseudo-deep character customization in which people play the same damn character for every new league until they can actually start "testing" new meta builds and this is somehow lauded "better" than the diablo 3 set item system? youre delusional
    >monster density
    youve seen parts of the first act only...

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >D3 is a perfectly fine game now
      Legitimately the worst game in the genre by far
      That game is practically an anti-arpg

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >D2
        >"yes ive run baal 5000 times to get that one item with a slightly better roll"

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Stop outing yourself. Running 5000 baal is for extreme endgame leveling, it s a grind which nets you tons of item to make other build or trade. You have a strong and fluctuating economy in d2 and many classes are viable and optimal for different things. Just clearing the game on hell is a challenge and that in itself is most of d2 fun.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Just clearing the game on hell is a challenge
            >Mfw decided to rush and clear it as a summon necro
            >Lost souls spawned on the throne of destruction
            Thank god summon necro is busted. What a thrill.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Game is full of memorable things. Summon necro and maggot lair though. Oof.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Maggot lair

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Just clearing the game on hell is a challenge
            >he cant go from new character to hell baal dead solo in a sitting

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              poop sock autists are not people

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                poopsockers are the ones hitting 99 in the first week or two
                clearing all 3 game modes in a single afternoon just means you know how to play the fricking game

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Yes I can. I am also not a pretentious homosexual pretending I was able to on my first or second playthrough of the game. Its like saying darksouls is easy because I don't die on my fourth playthrough

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              > t. Mr. Speedrunner (she/her)

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >knowing how to make a handful of mid level runewords, shop for something like lifetap or lower res wand and slap some ral/orts/thuls into a socket is speedrun behaviour
                Like frick anon lore helm+spirit shield+ and like a treachery or smoke will carry you through the entire game pretty much
                not my fault you dont know how to play a 20 year old game

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, you're not going to consistently get Smoke or anything similar without farming, what you're talking about? Unless you farm on another character, which is a reasonable thing to do, but let's not pretend that it's still soloing Hell.

                I saw Hell speedruns, and the Hell part is constant cheesing, skipping quests, teleporting through enemies and in general avoiding to play the game. Now, why would you avoid playing the game you enjoy?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >without farming
                Yes you will be farming, the countess in specific for smoke, the chance is like 1/30 for a lum
                you can also farm hell meph or nm meph if really weak for something like a vipermagi

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Ok now we've got to farming Meph for Vipermagi. And you're still going to finish the game in one evening. Maybe on a Sorc, yes, not on any other character.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                you dont need one but if you suck or have had terrible luck its a very good easy to find item thats an option, I mean frick a shield with some goddamn diamonds in it can work
                and teleport staffs are easy to shop for even if you have to be smart with using it because repair fee
                >necro and trapsin can just slap whatever on a merc and corpse explode through 99% of game
                >paladin can smite with a shitty black flail or go hammers which dont need anything to kill but QoL sucks without FCR
                >sorc can static and use whatever the frick
                >barb actually sucks ass but you can rely on crushing blow but will wall you for gear drops most likely (if you get to hell an obedience polearm is relatively easy to farm for)
                >druid goes fire, then wind and casually walks through
                >amazon is similiar to barb but with less weapon choice
                amazon and barb suck because they lack a way to reliably deal damage without a good weapon and are burdened with AR(singer barb is a fricking meme but berserk is "useable")

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Did you not play torchlight 3

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          No I didnt play any of those games and im glad I didnt

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Least contrarian Gankertard

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Where are the crafting options?
    moron

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    why do people get so upset over always online slot machines that have streamer priorities?

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Bro its a business model now, its not about anything else. Grow up. Play better games.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Just came to say all ARPGs are dogshit and all spastics play them

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    D3 made me realize I don't like the endgame loot treadmill every arpg turns into, but at least you could just stop and come back later. D4 battlepass basically adds a penalty for taking a break. But no Grey Delisle wizard = no buy from me.

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Who the frick cares about PoE you little degen lmao? It's dogshit and will never be as good as diablo

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The only thing I want from these games is to be able to use WASD to move around. That's it. With that single change I would enjoy them.
    Frick awkwardly clicking around shit to attack and also pick up items and also target your aoes and also-
    Frick that. Give me normal fricking movement.
    t. started with Diablo 1 and got fricking sick of the controls

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They said they want to add that later. You won Chadanon

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Give me normal fricking movement.
      mouse movement is normal movement you RTSlet

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It isn't an RTS game, It doesn't make sense for a game where you only control one unit, it's better handled with WASD movement. It definitely should be an option.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Wasd is garbage and only has 8 directions

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      use a gamepad

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      just play with a controller you bozo
      I know I will. these games are so much more enjoyable with a controller
      only the ultra autism zooming of d3 and poe endgame where you go 100 km/h is not really playable via controller
      which won't be a thing in d4, at least for vanilla version

      but yea they said they might add wasd

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        if there is no zoom in d4 it's DOA

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          don't think so, a lot of people are craving for some nicer, slower action
          if you want zoomerism, you already have d3 and poe, each game covering specific side of arpg

          you can't have a game instantly turn into zoomfest, you have to dangle the balls a bit and increase the speed slowly over time so the playerbase gets used to the game first and then the speed

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            no they aren't. if you take away what the game had it's slow boring MMO tier shit skills with cooldowns. it'll die fast.
            screencap this

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Mouse movement is the best for these games. Deal with it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Dumb KBMshitter

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Hades had WASD movement and it was unplayable with kbm

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Do you only play mouse games or what?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          no, I played it with a controller but it was disappointing to not have that option in an isometric action game

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You must be moronic, hades is easy with m+kb

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    D3 was fun with friends, as long as D4 is fun I don't care for ARPG autism.

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Necro skellies march in formation
    this alone is making me feel compelled to pay more attention to it
    if only because the skelly army aspect of Necromancer has become a core of the character instead of just a sub specialization

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    D3 was already excellent. I don't think D4 can top it but it will be interesting to see.
    PoE is absolutely dreadful. Their season gimmicks are terrible. D3 mogged PoE so hard.

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Diablo is meant to be shallow, no one cares about theory crafting and staring at excel sheets, have sex incel.

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Blizzard hasn't made games since 2016, a fricking game company that doesn't make a game in 7 years. What do you expect from them?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They just made overwatch 2

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Dota has more changes in big patches than overshit 2 but it doesn't claim that this is new dota game.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        overwatch 2 isnt a new game.
        it was a patch that added 1 new character 1 new map removed one teammate per team and paywalled all the old characters.
        That is not a new game. I hate blizzdrones. Lord please save this moronic frogposter.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >They just made overwatch 2
        >just made
        PFFFFF HAHAHAHAHA

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Hahahaha

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I really look forward to D4, the changes they showed looked like fun.
    Am I alone in this?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It looks better than D3 at least which is good

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Blizzard should just give the IP to From Software and let them do a not braindead game.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >r1r1r1r1r1r1

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        cope

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    PoE is dogshit

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why arent they making it more like PoE?
    They literally are. The whole live service idea of D4 will mimic PoE with 1 big patch every season every 3rd month.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Thats actually one positive development, and I should have mentioned it in the OP.
      Its not gameplay oriented change but still a very welcomed change

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        i'm not paying 100$+USD to beta test every few months

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Paying for what? The updates are free

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            d4 is free to play?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              D4 costs $100+?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                it will after you buy the FOMO junk
                acti-blizz knows their consumers

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Just because you buy everything they dangle infront of you doesn't mean everyone does

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Just because you buy
                I do not.
                millions will.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                So why do you say it costs $100+?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                game is 70+?
                season pass is 30+?

                PoE and GGG are great examples of what happens when you let the super fans of a game or genre try and make their own game. Starts out fairly well but after a while they add more and more dumb shit until it spirals out of control and they have idea what to do with it. Think 'PoE 2' is their way of hitting the reset button

                I myself am willing to give PoE 2 a go. not hoping for much though.
                I learned my lesson with D3. (that is what led me to PoE)
                haven't played poe since the start of covid so i guess that was around 2019.
                >still have my kiwi pet/beta poe account

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Oh wait, you had expectations? From a Blizzard game? In 2023?

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    even if D4 is nothing but D3 with a paint job it's still gonna mog Path of Excrement hard

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      will chris wilson be able to handle the streamer exodus to d4?

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    they don't have to actually try and make a good game
    it will sell millions no matter how bad the game is

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Playing a GaaS slotmachine addiction simulator with trash gameplay
    No thanks, my eyes have been opened. Diablo was only ever fun when it was innovative and new

  38. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >PoE
    so running around at sonic speed and spamming one single skill that is clearing whole screen of enemies and some beyond the screen?
    amazing gameplay 10/10

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Its funny because the devs hate that its become like this but with all the massive nerfs to skills they've done to try and fix it its made their pet project mode (ruthless) unplayable with some skills due to them being so badly nerfed that they cant even progress through the acts

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        the devs hate it and the fricking hilarious thing is
        >they don't know why
        see, ZOOO ZOOOM GO FAST came into being for one simple reason
        >you gotta pull the slot machine handle as many times as you can to be successful
        makes me lmaoing at the shit they created

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          PoE and GGG are great examples of what happens when you let the super fans of a game or genre try and make their own game. Starts out fairly well but after a while they add more and more dumb shit until it spirals out of control and they have idea what to do with it. Think 'PoE 2' is their way of hitting the reset button

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            PoE 2 will only be a reset if they add an offline mode and make it pay to play.
            They won't, and they will only repeat the cycle.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            PoE 2 isn't a reset button it's a new campaigne. The end game is still going to be the same atlas PoE 1 uses.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Let's hope they balance PoE2 better. I sometimes feel like starting a new character in PoE, but I'm postponing this until PoE2 release.

  39. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >2023
    >still talking about blizzshart "games"

  40. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Which 3 classes are in the early beta? I might go to KFC if necro is in

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      sorc barb rogue
      Necro and druid are in the 2nd beta

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What a shame
        Do I get a second character or am I stuck with the one?

  41. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's Blizzard. They can never fail because people will still shill for them, no matter what they do.

  42. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    PoE is a terrible game so there's nothing to learn from it.

    D4 is closer to D2 than D3 is, and that's a step in the right direction. Everything else doesn't matter.

    Euthanize all PoE autists.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Don't forget to collect your daily login reward bonus to claim your extra infernal points for the monthly season reward track

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >already triggered and going neck-deep into his schizo ramblings
        the truth really does hurt

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          D4 is a generic modern GaaS, don't delude yourself

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            keep seething, poe animal
            your game will never be good, even D3 is more fun lol

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I don't even play poe, I don't play GaaS shit full stop. If your only defense against gaastrash is foaming at the mouth about some other game means you've already went full brainrot. Concession accepted.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >enters a thread about games he supposedly doesn't even play
                ebin Gankerermin

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >D4 is closer to D2 than D3
      How?

  43. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    its a return to darkness and its going to sell millions of copies
    quality is irrelevant

  44. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    POE has tons and tons of flaws though. I could write an entire 300 page essay on how much shit is fricked up in POE.
    Sure Blizzard could learn a thing or two from POE but stop acting like its the gold standard for arpg's

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >need 20 wiki pages open
      >30 crafting tutorials open
      >some grooming discord crafting service
      >a least one tab in browser to search trade if that is your thing (or game addon)
      >etc etc etc
      in the end people just look up youtube tutorials i guess?

  45. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What are the system requirements for D4 Ultra 1080p?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Had 200 fps with my old 2060s and intel 12000

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      probably slightly above recommended

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Huh, I'm surprised. Guess they really went out of their way to let it run on toasters

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >SSD with 90gb of free space
        I remember when Modern Warfare 2 came out and was like 5-10gb or something and thinking things were getting ridiculous.
        This is just taking this piss. I guess it's a good filter for SEA and south america at least.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          ssd are cheap af nowadays tho

          mw2 is 150 or +

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >mw2 is 150 or +
            I'm talking about the original game not the troony remake.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >SSD with 90gb of free space
        I remember when Modern Warfare 2 came out and was like 5-10gb or something and thinking things were getting ridiculous.
        This is just taking this piss. I guess it's a good filter for SEA and south america at least.

        what in the flying frick
        it was 40~ gb the first time they showed specs
        now it's 90? how do you fricking double it just like that wtf

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          45gb is for the betas this month, with limited content. endgame beta without campaign was 70gb last year. 90gb is for release

          does it come with a bottle of lilith's breast milk?

          yes

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      probably slightly above recommended

      upgrade ASAP Anon don't belave that shit
      I hate it when they do this

      >here is the minimum and this is all that you need
      >the game gets released
      >tons of problems
      >you search online "have any..one experience this?.."
      >freezes/crashes to desktop
      >you search more and find a fix on the subreddits
      >finally I can play now
      >DEVS release an updated patch 1.9
      >more problems

  46. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: contrarian morons who are still crying that diablo 3 was the best diablo
    This game is gonna break sales records, everyone will play it and the only place that's gonna seethe about it is here because you all have dogshit taste and hate fun. Also to the 2 people who are unironically asking for poe like systems, why?
    Poe is a terrible game, so terrible it got mogged by a shitty Korean p2w arpg (lost ark) how fricked in the head do you have to be to think that absolute meme game is in any way redeemable

  47. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Make sure to buy the monthly premium season pass to actually unlock the good looking armor sets!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Looks dope thanks colonel sanders!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Cry harder

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe, but i will often use the also very good looking dropped armor skins.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      PoE has a million armor sets on the store what's your point 3rd world animal?

      oh right, it's F2P so it's okay that there's 5000+ of them on there, based GGG

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      sorry sweatie, this has been DEBOONKED

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        wait if left is the earned armor why do they all look like cash shop items?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          its a cash shop genre game

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Not gonna lie, the right side barb is much cooler.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          lol the one on the left is holding his sword likes it's a torch
          jesus christ they know what they are doing to get people to pay

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Right barb is better
        Left necromancer is better
        I don't really like either of the rogue outfits

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        yeah, somehow I don't trust that the best looking armor will NOT be behind a paywall. In fact, I am convinced that post-release, 99% of non-just-recollored, unique models, will in fact be only accessible behind a paywall

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      > Game costs 70 Euro
      > 30 Euro more for a "full" game
      > Have to pay subscription to get "rewards" and play the full game
      Wtf is with these levels of greed?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Make sure to get the deluxe edition of the expansion for just €45 in 16 months

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      it will come with my purchase

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Free EXP boost
      We'll see about that. It might be one of those deals where, yeah you can get the free track stuff for, well, free. But if you purchase you get more & faster. So we might still end up in a situation where buying it leaves you with more exp boost than a "free" player.

      Huh, i expected more. I expected the monetization to be much worse but I guess that will come with time

      Keep in mind you'll be expected to fork over 10 bucks on the regular, with no major expansion for it. 10 bucks in D3 gives you the Necromancer class (on sale). In D4, you will have to fork over 10 bucks regularly and all you get is fricking cosmetics, that depending on where they are in the pass, you won't even get, if after paying you don't actually find time to play.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      What's even in it?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      np friend, paid for ultimate with wow gold for me and all my friends

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      hopefully there's ways to unlock the premium BP just by playing and it's not real money only

      yes I care about my character's fashion and it's part of why I dislike poe

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If you do all the weekly quests, without missing even a single one, you get enough currency for one battle pass every two seasons

        I'm not joking

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      that's gonna be the only thing they learned from PoE.
      >hey we can sell armor sets.

  48. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm just now getting around to D3 so it will probably be years before I play D4

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Don't do it anon

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      based
      season 28 is actually fun

      necro chads where we at?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >d3
        >chad
        Nope

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I'm just now getting around to D3 so it will probably be years before I play D4

        Thinking of trying the $20 version of D3. How bad is it?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          it's good for about 200 hours of fun in s28

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It's the worst diablo game and one of the worst blizzard games ever created. The story is a mockery of diablo lore and actively goes out of it's way to shit on beloved characters in the franchise. Don't waste your time.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            thats because diablo is a girl this time, so he talks way too much

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Im already done with s28
        >did all of altar by day 4
        >almost entirely ancient gear by last weekend+caldessans augments
        >clearing GR125 in under 10 minutes and dont feel like churnin through thousands of drops for slightly better shit at this point

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >dont feel like churnin through thousands of drops for slightly better shit
          Why did you buy a Diablo game?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            ive already churned through thousands of drops
            now I need those same drops but with 50% crit instead of 46%
            And greater rifts stop being fun after 30 hours

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >no primals
          ngmi

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          GR150 cap is dumb, at least give GR200 since they won't add new content.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            post your 150 clear

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Still amazed how faithfully they were able to bring the necro gameplay into 3

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >season 28
        >finsh a challenge
        >prize is not showing in the mailbox
        >it's a bug

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think d3 will last that long unless you really enjoy the grind
      gameplay is good and fun but there's not much variety or things to work towards

      based
      season 28 is actually fun

      necro chads where we at?

      I wanted to play necro but I'm not paying for it
      if it was 5$ sure

      but yea season is fun, I'm nearing 100 hours

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I was originally gonna play Crusader but they received 0 love this season and I fricking hate the valor set for the gift so I noped out

        phalanx bowmen condemn spam would have been fun

  49. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Path of Exile > all other ARPGs

    Sorry, nerds. Nothing comes close in terms of loot, build diversity, bossing, crafting.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >game is so shit and dead that josh strife hayes had to make a cope video about how ackshually it's a good thing it only has 5 players
      lol lmao

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      garbage game, even last epoch BTFOs it

      game so terrible even the devs are embarrassed of it

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I tried last epoch recently. I played for 5 minutes and I couldn't take it anymore.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >crafting
      >literal slot machine
      LE's system is better by miles

  50. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why arent they making it more like PoE
    Because poe has like 100k players tops and then it dwindles down to maybe 10k
    They want to make a game that will be played by millions.

  51. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >It's like they learned nothing from PoE. Zilch, zero.
    They don't have to learn anything from PoE. Diablo 3 is the most succesful game in the franchise and they're going to make a new one like that. You aren't the target audience.

  52. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Predictions for class balance?
    My guess is
    >sorcerer and Necro are dogshit because blizzard are autistic and allergic to making magic good
    >rogue will be the most broken class in game forever

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Hydra is strong af
      and BloodExplosion or whatever its name is is OP too

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      barb will be the defacto best class for the first 6 months then be dumpster tier for the rest of the game
      Necro will be good but feel like shit to play, summons will be unviable and die too quickly or not do enough damage
      sorc will be topdog farming character because the enchantment system

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        feel like it will be the opposite, barb will start out weak but get really strong once it fills all of its weapon slots with strong uniques
        necro will start out strong because minions are less dependant on gear (imagine that CHRISU WIRUSON)

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          This, barb always sucks early on in blizzard games and becomes meta or broken once fully geared.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        that Arsenal Shit Barb has will make them a pain in the ass to gear but most likely a powerhouse when someone manages to do it

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      necro and wiz have by far the strongest builds in d3 atm

  53. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Hot take:

    The reason Diablo became shit is because they started creating the game to be released on consoles. Due to the lack of buttons on a controller the game gets dumbed down

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Diablo 1 was on console. Like ps1

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Diablo was never hard. Poe isn't hard either. The gameplay isn't good, engaging or fun either. It's nothing more than a skinnerbox. You're the boomer at the slot machines and the rewards are new funkopop skins.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        why are they always white, overweight, have beards, and need glasses?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >black hair
          >black eyes
          >no visible veins
          >white
          maybe in muttland

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            muh aryanism

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              White people do not have brown or black eyes, that’s like the most basic fricking definition you can get. Do you also walk around calling those nightmarish halfcaste Black folk with pale skin and red hair “white”?
              >inb4 “poos have hazel eyes sometimes!” etc
              I didn’t say nonwhites never have colored eyes, I said whites **always** do.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      anon, xiv has 30 buttons and it's on consoles
      all games in this genre have like 5~ spells and a potion or two

      this is perfectly manageable on controller

  54. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What about Grim Dawn though?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's going to take a handsome prince to awaken you from grim yawn

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I preferred it. And to a lesser extent Titan Quest. For me its never about "endgame", I like playing through with different characters and builds. Did the same back with D2. Never bothered with D3. This shit is not for me any more.

  55. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think there was anything to learn from poe except don't have currency bloat and don't have item pinata to the point you need a loot filter

  56. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I should go replay pic related I loved it

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I remember being scared shitless of this game as a kid
      Something about the setting and the models really freaked me out

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        the only gripe I really had with it was the passive trees not really being distinct between the classes

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      i still have my red boxed copy
      game is a lot of fun, although a bit tedious

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        it does take a while to craft ridiculously overpowered weapons but back when it had multiplayer that was something to strive for so you could dunk on random people in their own castle

  57. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Already pre-purchased the ultimate edition.
    Semi-related but does anyone know how you can tell when you're constipated?

  58. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They're making the right choice. PoE is for ARPG autismos. Blizzard makes games for the kind of normalgays who get intimidated when they see PoE's skill tree. Why would they compete over a smaller audience who'll hold them accountable to making a good game when there are billions of casual morons who'll forgive anything if you let them dress up their character as Goku (for a nominal fee)?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      YAAAASS I GOT THE ITEM THAT GIVES ME +2% DAMAGE
      300 hours of great entertainment!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      oof poetroon seething about his dead troony game

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Why would they compete over a smaller audience
      The core of modern western AAA game development.
      >Target demographic
      >MTX
      >Pay to progress
      >Market share
      >Success markers
      >Battlepass
      >Lowest common denominator

  59. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the only thing thats possible to learn from POE is "how to make a bad game" gottem

  60. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Not being like PoE is a plus, PoE is dogshit lmao

  61. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    they just shit it out to gain what little good will they can get. go back raping girls blizzard.

  62. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    wdym, they stole hideouts and the mtx business model WITH a box price.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This fricking kills me, how this has become normal.
      AAA price tag for a fricking ARPG is bullshit to start with, and then battlepasses and cashshop shit on top iof that? Haha why not just frick my ass while you're at it and I'm in.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        would rather pay upfront box price and get decent looking game with decent looking gear than f2p like poe where every character and gear piece looks like a turd

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I spent over $500 on Lost Ark and I hated that game
        Will gladly spend at least double that on D4 if it's actually decent

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They're not doing it to take your money, it's so they can keep supporting the game after release.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Does this mean every new Class/Expansion for D4 will be free then? You still have to pay for RoS/Necromancer in D3 right now

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Of course not, 70-150$ is just to get your foot in the door at launch. Everything after that will be an extra charge. Enjoy.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          That's what the microtransactions are for. Games full of them are supposed to be free. That's the trade off. You either pay and get the full game or the game is free and they nickle and dime you for everything. Somewhere along the way the social contract was broken and now they think they can double dip and charge you full price and full microtransactions and because everyone is a cuck who can't say now to current thing they get away with it.

  63. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I still remember e-girlng at some early d3 forum post because shitters who never touched an arpg were mad they had to actually check the stats of rares and how awful it was

  64. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >It's like they learned nothing from PoE
    He thinks blizzard devs plays games KEK

  65. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >It's like they learned nothing from PoE. Zilch, zero.

    And that's a good thing.

  66. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    weren't PoEgays fed up with the devs for all the shit decisions they made?
    why are they pretending PoE is good suddenly?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Can't escape the maze.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      people who play poe hate it
      /v/tards who don't play videogames praise it because it "filters the normies"

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >people who PLAY poe hate it
        Yeah they complain and then play more because they can't stop playing it. Once you've actually learned the systems in PoE you will always come back.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          False. I started playing during beta but even I can tell the bloat the last few years is bullshit and I havent played it since. The people still playing are just waiting for something better to come along, which is probably what D4 is.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >the last few years is bullshit and I havent played it since
            Wait when did you last play it?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I dont remember exactly but probably 2-3 years

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I dont remember exactly but probably 2-3 years
                It's ok anon i won't judge you when you play PoE 2

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Once you've actually learned the systems in PoE you will always come back.
          Lies. It's been like 6 leagues since I last played.

          t. ~6500 hours

  67. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    pretty much the only way they could make diablo 4 worse is by copying poe

  68. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Get woke, go broke

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      MODS anon we have MODS

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        D4 is online only

  69. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    for better or worse they want a different audience to the überautists who actually like poe's crafting system

  70. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's looking alright so far, I just hope they go with less reliance on full sets

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      sets aren't in at all at launch
      devs said they want to make them intermediate items you'll use for leveling and shit

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        So utility/comfy stuff like craftable sets from D3? Sounds good. Cain's set was godly for early seasons.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I don't mind that. Been doing adventure/season for the first time, saw the full set you get from finishing the journey and was like what the frick isn't that a bit overboard

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah Diablo 3 sets get really fricking moronic

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >just add a bazillion damage multiplier the kids like big numbers right?
          Blizzard has been creatively bankrupt for 20 years.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            the design is 'come up with a playstyle, then pump up numbers so that it works at higher difficulties'. fist of the heavens for example actually plays a lot like trapzon did in diablo 2.

            of course the theoretical best build in the game doesn't use set bonuses.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            the alternative is to keep leveling up and increasing your damage that way but nobody wants to level to 99

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I'm glad diablo 4 is going back to a level cap

  71. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm sick of the same fricking classes for 25 years. I can't believe there isn't a single new class in the game. Like we're going to be playing wizard/rogue/barb a thousand years from now when diablo 666 releases.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I wish they did something new for this. Good to keep tradition going but it feels boring (even if it isn't)

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I'm fine with the core classes being staples but to not have a single new class to play on release is abysmal even for nublizzard standards.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      and yet people are just asking for the paladin to be added next
      what other classes should they add though that bring something new to the table?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        doesn't have to be paladin or crusader but i do want a holyman archetype that smites shit with light and lightning

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I want polearm new horadrim holy user

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It's not our jobs to do their work for them but idk. Maybe add a like a spellsword kind of character like the magus from pathfinder/3.5e duskblade
        Outside of paladins there's a severe lack "melee sorcerers" and magical warriors

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      what else do you want?
      they did most of the archetypes
      the only thing left is some specific thematic stuff like samurai maybe but that isn't exact fit for a western themed game

      then again they had indian monks and zimbabwe witch doctors...

      so actually yea, I want a samurai. Rogue is already semi ninja in d4

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      sorry anon anything with a big budget has to be a safe bet reliant on activating people's nostalgia neurons

  72. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >casually just figures out the entire genre, build, route for you to take
    the whole time time I was having fake fun.....?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yes you just thought you were having fun, hope you learned your lesson

  73. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >It's like they learned nothing from PoE.
    Good.

  74. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I just wish these games had more action depth or tactical depth
    Action depth is stuff like timings, evasion, aim, etc and tactical depth would be skills which were more situational, monsters with complex behavior, more long-term resource usage in dungeons and such

    someone should make a noita clone with diablo loot and a bigger world

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      noita is actual garbage
      played that shit for 90 minutes and refunded it despite it being basically free
      by far the worst excuse for a roguelike i've ever had the displeasure of playing

  75. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a Diablo 3 gay.
    Can someone explain to me why are Diablo 2 gays obsessed with Path of morons?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I think originally it was about poe not looking so much like wow but has since been bastardized

  76. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    still bought Diablo 4
    trannies seethe

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      preload when

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      does it come with a bottle of lilith's breast milk?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        if only, anon. what would that taste like?

        preload when

        not soon enough

  77. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >chase PoE and attempt to replicate it
    >people can simply play PoE
    WOW

  78. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >PoE
    PoE and PoE players can go frick themselves.
    There's a very loud vocal minority for ARPGs who are INTENSELY autistic and scream from the top of their lungs: "EVERYTHING HAS TO BE LIKE D2 OR MORE OBTUSE OR IT'S NOT GUD!!!!"
    They want inventory tetris, they want no respecs, they want shitty grimdark realism graphics that are too dark to fricking see anything. they want every every single thing to be as annoying and unintuitive as fricking possible. To the point that you can't fricking play PoE unless you follow a god damn guide. At least in Diablo 3 you have a reasonable chance of finding a set and just fricking figuring it out.

    I mean look at the PoE skill tree. It's a fricking abomination. Some 1300 skills. Jesus christ. For what? Most of the nodes in the tree are flat stat increases that other games make you click a + on you character sheet on, PoE shifted that shit into a tree and everyone loses their fricking mind. And what is the result? Everyone runs fricking cookie cutter builds figured out by a minority of players in the community that then everyone else just follows. Great fricking system.

    PoE unironically can go eat a giant dick. They made a game fricking ass backwards and are now proud of how unimpenetrable it is. Congratulations you ruined a whole genre.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >they want shitty grimdark realism graphics that are too dark to fricking see anything.
      Diablo 2 wasn't even a very dark game aside from a few areas wtf are you talking about? There were grassy plains, deserts, mountains and snowy areas. At least half or more of the game was outside in the sun.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Not to mention the insanely high saturation on all spell effects and bright lighting.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        they say this because they spent all their time doing mephisto and countess runs and afk in act 1 spamming wug in trades

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >At least in Diablo 3 you have a reasonable chance of finding a set and just fricking figuring it out
      lol
      lmao
      You want to be handheld like a literal child. D3 couldn't be simpler if it tried. The game is made for babies to connect the colors. You would have to be purposefully trying to frick it up or be confused about anything. You want a streamlined bing bing wahoo experience where you never have to engage a single braincell just click on the moving objects and collect the shiny jpg.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >poe player
        >talks about using his brain
        The noob traps in poe are obvious if you have played the game for a few years. Not stepping into them isn't exactly rocket science either.

  79. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >dead after 2 months
    Diablo died with Blizzard North.

  80. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    watch you'll have to scrap all the beta files and re-download the entire game when it comes out because blizz are full of hacks

  81. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It'll get praised for its streamlined simplicity but give it a month post release and people will be bored out of their minds. Who the frick wants to log into an ARPG for shit like dailies and act farming with no content.

  82. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Have they said how much the premium battle pass bullshit will cost?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      10 dollaridoos

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Huh, i expected more. I expected the monetization to be much worse but I guess that will come with time

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          it will probably have tier skips (like valorant) so dumbasses will buy the BP every month thinking theyre getting a good deal, not play enough to complete it then end up spending another 15 buckaroos when they realise they're not going to get the ebin emote at the end of the pass.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            games these days give you full battlepass levels/xp but you have to buy to unlock it
            so you can buy it on the last day and unlock everything if you played enough

            but... this is pro consumer, so we'll have to see how it's implemented
            not sure how OW's battlepass system works

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      10 dollaridoos

      What's even in it?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        it's got a free side and a pay side like genshin and other games. the free side has shit like exp boosts and the pay side has cosmetics and premium currency for the cosmetic shop

  83. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I don't understand Diablo style games anyway.
    They're so fricking easy. I nearly fell asleep playing Grim Dawn, just running around spamming one 1-2 skills, on highest available difficulty.
    Why are these games like this? Why not make easy and hard mode? I get that these games are a power fantasy but how many times can you kill same mobs over and over again without any resistance and not lose your mind?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      99% of games are piss easy. People play Diablo as a loot simulator and for character/gear progression.

  84. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Idk why goysloppers expect nu-diablo to be good when it has nothing to do with the original diablo/blizzard team
    It's fricking chinkware

  85. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Act 2 Diablo 2 is the best act and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This except act 1. Best music too, love that percussion. Real fricking shame Uelmen left

  86. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >anons on Ganker makes fun of casuals and normies for ruining video games and making them moron proof
    >Diablo 3 is praised on this board constantly
    >Diablo 4 chilling at an hall time high
    Also
    >PoE bad because it's too bloated and too complicated
    >GrimYawn is boring and too complicated
    >Last Epoch is too complicated and hard
    inb4
    >"duude Ganker is not a hivemind"

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Ganker is not one person, moron

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      gd is not complicated at all
      it's the most braindead "arpg" of them all
      your endgame build literally consists of 1 or maybe 2 skills

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      4 chilling at an hall time high
      what did they mean by this?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      anon, it's simple: is it fun?
      aside from shitty poe gameplay (they were geniuses and copied 2 decades old game), I wouldn't mind the massive talent tree and whatever other systems there are

      if I could reset them reasonably and experiment. Instead you're forced to either autistically plan it ahead via spreadsheets or just copy a build online... or just make a new character LOL

      that's not fun.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You could have just said
      >Ganker hates everything

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >last Epoch too complicated
      I hear that it's actually too easy and that doesn't matter if you build the right skills

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's literally shills.
      No one was talking about D3 and even when Ganker was it was nothing positive.
      Suspiciously this all turned around when D4 is approaching release and suddenly Immortal wasn't that bad, and D3 was actually good.
      Strange!
      Expect to see discussions of D4 to miraculously vanish after a week or two post launch.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Last Epoch is too complicated and hard
      The main story is too easy aside from 2 bosses though. Who is actually saying it's too hard? Yeah T4 dungeons are pretty hard but it's endgame uber tier shit, thats the point. Building isn't even hard, you just take the big multipliers on whatever you want to use as your main damage skill.

  87. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >fights aren't zoom-zoomy
    >visuals are nice
    >there looks to be sufficient customizability and room for making builds and theorycrafting, esp with the paragon board
    >also looks to be more mechanically demanding than D2
    >campaign is open-ended and is pretty much the endgame loop already

    I'm sure they'll somehow pull the rug from the audience's feet once they reveal the battle pass but everything so far seems decent enough. Even items feel fine, people meme about muh attack/defense but from everything seen yet they don't seem to be as definitive for your item as they were in D3.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      aren't zoom-zoomy
      Early d3 trailers looked the same way. Blizzard can't help themselves. In 6 months we'll be screen teleporting across the world and you won't even see what you are fighting as your room wide aoe explosions auto wipe everything and your pet auto collects everything and your dopamine receptors are completely fried.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        so like diablo 2 endgame then

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah but it was cool back then because we were all young and dumb and full of cum. Also you had to work for it instead of being able to do it day 1.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            1.09 was a disaster for diablo 2

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Good, the optimal way to play is also the most fun.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It's not good gameplay because 99% of players quit after maxing out their character in 2-3 days. People aren't going to stick around paying for subscriptions if it has the same gameplay loop as d3.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Here's the secret, Diablo is made for about 5% of the customers, 95% is fomo purchases.

  88. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    restricting respeccing is seriously killing my hope for the skill system.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      calling it now, respeccing is going to be tied to a cash purchase. you get like 3 for free and after that you can either grind crystals or swipe swipe swipe

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It costs gold.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          also isn't it free until like level 20 or something and then the gold cost depends on your level

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Not free, but at low lvls it costs almost nothing, slowly increasing with char lvl. Still pretty cheap until like 80 or 90

            It's gonna be stash space that'll cost money. Just wait. They'll worm out of it because "it's not power." You'll get one free stash tab, and the paid BP will have extra three or so, that'll become remove-only after the season is over so you have to buy the next BP.

            There are 4 free stash tabs

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It's gonna be stash space that'll cost money. Just wait. They'll worm out of it because "it's not power." You'll get one free stash tab, and the paid BP will have extra three or so, that'll become remove-only after the season is over so you have to buy the next BP.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      they will lower the cost if people get annoyed by it, just like they did with wow

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        i mean the whole thing is that they just JUST finished learning this lesson with WoWs covenants, why would they ignore the lesson that beat them over the head for 3 years straight and was nothing but massive negative feedback?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          because d2/poe autists want to be punished for experimenting builds, so they took notice of that and thought it's a good idea
          they will walk back on it sooner or later, since d4 is not aimed at those people at all from the looks of it

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It'll most likely be prohibitive only if you want to do a full respec. Correcting a few nodes you tried but didn't work out should not be too demanding.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              why restrict it at all though?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                gives your build more meaning if you're forced to commit to it

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >manage to pick all the wrong or underpowered/bugged skills
                >damn i'm so glad i wasted 50 hours of my life on this build, so much meaning!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >all the underpower/bugged
                hasn't been as prevalent since everyone's favorite: D2
                >ALL the underpowered/bugged skills
                highly unlikely even if there are some- you're bound to pick stuff that works. and if you can't see that some skills are working better than others and invest in those... git gud? the game isn't obligated to make you powerful becuase you chose skills willy nilly.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the game isn't obligated to make you powerful becuase you chose skills willy nilly.
                i'm here to have fun not ace a test Black person

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >i'm here to have fun not ace a test Black person
                Wrong game then. You can be nightmare capped in D2 if you build like shit and master capped in D3.

                POE is even worse. At least D3 lets you swap around, I guess.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It seems generous enough that if you do this you're moronic and deserve a shitty build.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                apocryphal nonsense

                its just going to give players feelbads for poorly allocated points, discourage experimentation, and punish trying a new build with excessive grinding. you're going to get stuck in a build simply because its too much of a pain in the ass to work for the gold needed to switch with any regularity

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Correcting a few nodes you tried but didn't work out should not be too demanding.
              it is per-point.
              even at L100 a few points are kinda cheap. but cant fully respect many times per day

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      D2 respec system was pretty good
      >1 free respec per difficulty in case you run into problems
      >can respec infinitely later by killing the main bosses
      they should make it even less restricitve in D4 though since it seems to have much more options to build your character
      if respeccing is too expensive, everyone will just go with the cookie cutter build from youtube instead of trying things out by yourself

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        it was shit. it was one of the most frustrating things about D2 by far. it was so bad they made up a cheat program just to get around it called shadowmaster

        are you really too young to remember this?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          i'm talking about the current state of D2 moronbro
          it didn't have respecs at all at launch, and later on you could either easily farm the essences yourself or trade them for like a pul rune

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        limited or charged respecs is just a shitty design loop thats only purpose is to make you grind out more time on the game because you made a mistake. it actively harms experimentation and playing with builds and forces players into repetitive gameplay loops to either grind out respec resources like gold or tokens or whatever, or spend even more time leveling fresh characters

        its just a pain point with no upside

  89. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    PoE is too confusing for the simplistic/easy to use mass market. See all the extremely salty Gankertrannies seething about it every time it gets brought up. Or god forbid, gets positive remarks

  90. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Shut up paypig, you will pay and you will play

  91. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >It's like they learned nothing from PoE.
    good that game is a boring snooze fest
    >As I see it this game will be dead after 2 months
    the delusion is remarkable. it will sell millions and people will play it for the next 10 years same as diablo 3.

  92. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Blizzard had died years ago. All good people left it.
    Pozzard is largely incompetent diversity hires controlled by accountants who demand more profits for shareholders.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Good thing all the competition is incompetent too

  93. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >waaah give me more arbitrary stats that automatically make an item shit or not then layer that to make it shit for my class or not

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      you don't understand. the game has to be hard for other people to play

  94. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    this game looks like a copy/paste of a generic chinese game on the gameplay videos. it's hard to explain but the animations look like absolute ass and worse than diablo 3

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      probably because blizzard doesn't hire on merit anymore

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What a weird lie

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      why even spout such nonsense?
      go read/watch the dev blog about animations and see how much effort went into it and how good it looks
      they even went full autismo with hitboxes, which I don't think any other game did

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >they even went full autismo with hitboxes
        Explain

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >The animations are bad? No way, the devs themselves said they are good. You are wrong.
        interesting post

  95. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    A modern action rpg should have more satisfying combat than PoE does, and it should be much slower so it's not just spamming.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >so it's not just spamming
      But most D3 builds just spam too, and the builder/spender + CD shit they seem to be going for in D4 is MMO shit that's even worse.

  96. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >learned nothing about PoE
    I don't understand why people are so obsessed with PoE and its "make a build where you dash at light speed and everything on screen dies" gameplay. It's one of the more boring ARPGs, even D3 can be more fun to play despite not actually being a Diablo game.

  97. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Slow it down, make it more about dodging and aiming and being methodical.

  98. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Keep bringing up Gamepass, drives the marketing department insane.

  99. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The last closed beta was kinda fun
    I'm a little worried about the game's longevity but the combat feels pretty solid

  100. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >what POEcels think it's a compelling game
    No thanks.
    Keep coping as much as you want, D3 was one of the most successful games of all time and it still has more players than POE after all these years and even after all the hate.
    Nobody wants an excel sheet simulator. Keep playing your souless indie P2W trash and KYS.

  101. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There have been more bad Diablo games than good one.
    Search your heart. You know it be true.

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