I don't understand, she not even transphobic? Like what the frick was twitter celebrating about?

I don't understand, she not even transphobic? Like what the frick was twitter celebrating about?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The localization clearly wants to imply Vivian is a troony and that "her" sisters bullied "her" for it, but actually showing that would be too offensive so it just comes across as poorly written and out of nowhere.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. I don't agree with making Vivian a troony rather than a femboy, but if you're going to do it, go all the way.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe because this whole time she wasn't fricking trans and was just called a boy as an insult like how beldam also calls her ugly? Fricking idiots shut up already

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Who the frick do you convinced Vivian to troon out in the first place? It's definitely in Beldam's character to gaslight a boy into "becoming a girl" just to abuse the victim further calling them ugly

      Beldam turned a game changing boss of a chapter into apologetic timid beta male

      Then Vivian went BACK to the gaslighter who never "misgendered" her and promised to be "nicer", Beldam won and made Vivian an accurate depiction of a troon, raised by an abusive gaslighter.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It makes more sense for Vivian to be a girly looking boy who called himself a sister because he wanted to be part of a female only group. It's like if my older sister was playing Totally Spies and I said I wanted to be Alex because I wanted to play too, them she would go "but you're a boy". It's coherent with both Vivian's personality and the original script bringing up how he's actually a guy. The gender dysphoria part is people seeing what they want to see because Vivian never identifies himself as trans in the original.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Those people were never going to buy the remake to begin with. Vivian’s character arc was ruined by the new script.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    le demake

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they censored Frankly getting knocked out
      Why
      Fricking why
      This is like one of those over the top parodies of 4Kids censorship, fricking hell

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We are slowly regressing into Wii U era localization.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's at least as bad, if not worse, at this point. Furukawa was a mistake; Kimishima tried to put Treehouse on a tighter leash after their infamous botch jobs from the late WiiU/3DS era caught so much flak, but clearly that started to get undone sometime when Furukawa became president.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Those Goombas were catcalling Professor Frankly btw.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's weird how they edited the frankly conversation but they left in Beldam calling Doopliss a 'freak-in-a-sheet. She even calls him freak another 3 times.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They left it in because the localizers actually thought Doopliss was supposed to be a KKK loser

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mods will fix the remake

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm genuinely surprised that Treehouse is still translating games after the largely negative reception Fire Emblem Fates got for it's translation.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      learn japanese

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Video Games were a mistake

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cis vivian was the best vivian and didn't have this moronic plothole and worse localization

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Femboy Vivian > Proper trans Vivian > Female Vivian > The hamfisted trans Vivian we got

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Female Vivian is objectively the best

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The remake could have been so kino if they kept the OG localization

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its funny because Vivian gets along with her sisters at the end of the game

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That was odd even in the original script. Like, they literally tried to hand the world over to a tyrant. Even Grodus is more redeemable than them.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Shadow Sirens also lied to Grodus and betrayed him.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I figure that Beldam was just afraid of disobeying the Shadow Queen or something

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That was odd even in the original script. Like, they literally tried to hand the world over to a tyrant. Even Grodus is more redeemable than them.

      >Beldam and Marilyn turn over a new leaf and make up with Vivian
      >Crump and Grodus are still alive and have just given up on evil
      >Doopliss also gives up evil and becomes an actor and no one begrudges him
      It is quite saccharine, yes.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And TEC being alive, but I guess that was done in case you needed to go back the X-Base or the Moon in the post-game to get anything missing.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i cannot believe you're complaining about the villain reforming in a mario game
        wake up to yourself

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s insane how much they're trying to vilify this character.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Memories, my memories
    Memories, of her
    Memories of her standing here
    I can still hear her voice in my ear
    (Treehouse did WHAT?!)
    Memories of her talking to me
    She told me to about the trannies
    (They're suicidal!)
    Memories of us laughing together
    When I had her use Firey Jinx on some Goombas
    (Ahahahahaha!)
    Memories of her explaining to me
    Why Treehouse wrote her as a troony
    (ESG!)
    Memories help me remember her
    The things she did, the life we lived
    Memories of her favorite food
    This Honey Candy Zess T made from some syrup
    (Ugh, that's gone off. Sorry)
    Memories of her wearing a hat
    I really feel like she used to wear a hat
    Memories help me remember her
    The things she did, the life we lived

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Trying to shove apps into the crow dialogue because current day
    >Still has peach get grodus floppy disc
    Alright

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are b***hes so thirsty for him?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is adorable and infinitely more soulful than the Goombella x Vivian yurishit we get nowadays.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I get wanting to see Vivian with a man, but Mario is a complete non character. He's a wooden plank. A flat cutout, literally and figuratively. Don't you have anyone else you'd want to ship Vivian with?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Mario (forma Lou Albano)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          people are just going to suggest doopliss, i rather have her ride plumber wiener tbh

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, doopliss is pretty terrible for Vivian. The game doesn't exactly have many good bachelors. I don't think Vivian ever interacts with any character other than his sisters and Mario though.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Finding doopliss cute isn't gay
              r-right bros?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He can shapeshift into a woman.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well no mario is cool but he's not for sex and he already has peach + he doesnt look good paired with any pm character, Vivian is for faceless anons

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        She will make a cameo in the next proper paper mario game and she will still be thirsty over mario wiener, trust the plan

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >spend nearly two decades hoping Vivian will return in a future Mario game because she was my first waifu
          >Nintendo is finally acknowledging and embracing old school Paper Mario just in time for the social contagion that is the troony movement to worm its way into every fricking gaming community, Mario included
          >they pandered to the trannies by turning Vivian into one, meaning that the troony retcon completely overshadows every single aspect of her character because of her loud and obnoxious nu-fandom
          >If she and the other Paper Mario characters start popping up in spinoffs and other such games, it came at the cost of her being completely ruined

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Troon support is plummeting. Next time we see Vivian, they may make him a trap or a girl again.

            That won't be for another 20 years though.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Troon support is plummeting
              lmao you wish chud

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This "troon" shit is so extremely reddit.
              Are you afraid of saying troony, anon? You think the feds will getcha?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              the combination of the harry potter and bathroom shit and brutalizing people's little girls in sports probably set them back like a decade in acceptance yeah lmao. And then all the stuff with the Cass report and Mermaids even has Labour in the UK walking on eggshells

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I honestly didn’t think they’d go the troony pandering route despite Treehouse existing solely because
            >game is for kids
            >injecting troony shit into shit for kids is a massive NO-NO in general but especially now that it’s a hot topic
            >said character is literally a little boy (otoko = male, ko = child, otokonoko when not the trap wordplay means little boy and Vivian likely wasn’t calling himself a trap but a boy since this is a game for babies)

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They started removing character creation gendering in 2020 for English localizations; IIRC ACNH was one of the first notable games to start doing this "body type" bullshit too. You're a fool for not expecting this sort of thing four years later on, anon. Frick, there's no way they'd ever Hyrule Warriors 1 or Xenoblade 2 release unscathed in 2024+.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                True, it’s not like I haven’t noticed that. But putting a noncommittal Body Type A B into games is different compared to outright making a character a troony. Especially when it’s in Nintendo’s biggest series. I just wasn’t expecting them to go this far, though I suppose the real canary in the coal mine was Treehouse turning A nonbinary

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >hyrule warriors
                ever notice how weird it is that western companies don't ever allow eroticism in anything anymore unless its explicitly porn or twisted to be "empowering"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's adorable. She deserves all the hugs she wants.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        he. vivan is a man now that nintendo finally said Trans Rights

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Frick, I keep forgetting. Something about non-human femboys makes it slip my mind.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You didn't ACTUALLY buy and play the demake... right? In any case, she's a girl in the version I played, which is ultimately what matters.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The only version that matters is the original Japanese, so he is a femboy!

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Vivian being a girl in the version you played is censorship.
            Isn't censorship supposed to be bad?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not when it targets the people I hate.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              left literally champions weird anime shit getting censored all the time, so frick why am i not allowed to like too?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >s-say he or im gonna be mad
          Im gonna say she, Black person. kys

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Honest and charismatic hard working man who will defeat dragons to save his beloved one.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      every woman in ttyd wanting to ride his wiener is unironically part of the charm

      they leaned into this laughable little plumber silent protagonist in the best way possible

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's hilarious, but not that great for the characterization of his partners.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >not that great
          You're a gay if a woman coming onto the MC offends you.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            can we stop misgendering Vivian now, its getting old

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's not the part that bothers me, it's that mario is a blank slate to an extreme degree. Even Link has better characterization than him. If the MC of the game was Luigi, even just if they gave more to establish who Mario is, the harem would land so much better, and the character's relationship with mario would say more about who the character is.

            can we stop misgendering Vivian now, its getting old

            She is right here. We're talking about all the other partners, not Vivian.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        he's male

        people are just going to suggest doopliss, i rather have her ride plumber wiener tbh

        >him
        ftfy

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          She's female in the only version that matters (2004 US)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >every woman in ttyd wanting to ride his wiener is unironically part of the charm
        i don't know this shit is so fricking funny. mario being an absolute pussy slayer is amazing

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She was about to confess her love at the end

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're celebrating poorly written censored slop.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Vivian x Mario beats Peach x Mario

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Being the ugliest and oldest sister makes sense to hate her youngest and prettier sister.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >her youngest and prettier brother.
      ftfy

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bedlam isn't even transphobic, she's just a c**t.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So what are the (Thinking) versions of the song? I see I've got them in the unlocked music sections but I don't remember when they play.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The script change makes even less sense than the original one. Anyone playing this game for the first time in English would assume that Vivian is a girl.

    In Japanese you would understand that Vivian is a boy. Ultimately it doesn't matter, but the celebrations for the change make zero sense in english. It's still censored.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    big belly purple wiener

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >light bugs on ryujinx
    >yuzu is dead
    its over ttyd bros

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bedlam is literally just a literal old hag bully, which zoomers the new gen and below can't get because failed Gen X and Boomer parents try to make up for their failed parenting by overspoiling their grandchildren and letting the children they failed at the same time have to clean up after their awful mess.

    Boomers meanwhile had grandparents who thought their overdecadent lifestyle was distasteful, and boomers never got over the fact the adults in their life disciplined them.

    So they cant comprehend the evil wicked grandmother archetype, unless it's painted as le old timey racist.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no generation that's alive can 'get it'
      I got it. (You) got it. What's wrong with you? Why did you write all this drivel?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        zoomers dont get it though, that's why we're having these threads, the entire misunderstanding of vivians character is just moronic zoomzooms unable to comprehend life before 2006.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          people are more educated now. we see and respect the rights of trans people. sorry if this hurts your feelings.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There is nothing in the originals that say Vivian is a trans character, and there is also just as little in the remakes.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It doesn't matter, Anon.
              The online outrage mob has decided that Vivian is trans, regardless if it's true or not, for the sake of winning a battle in their internet "culture war".

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The internet was a mistake

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They don’t even care about the TTYD itself getting a remake, they just care about this one cherrypicked issue.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          he does get it dude it's just a prompt to start discussion of the ttyd remake. you might have autism if you take it so literally

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did you read his diary, Ganker?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes, he fights you after and it's the hardest fight in the game

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You think Twitter plays games?

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Beldam abused Marilyn and Doopliss too btw

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      dudepiss deserved it

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