I gave up on Elden ring 6 months ago. I'm stuck on this boss and I refuse to use spirit summons or any kind of summon. I haven't even finished the game, I'm level 148 and I give up, again. This boss is literally impossible. That Waterfowl attack is just impossible to dodge, even if you manage to do so, second phase is just unforgivable.
Ever try Blocking or Parrying retard?
not them, but the parrying in Elden Ring feels out of sync with animations, the timings are not intuitive.
Why are you refusing to use summons when the bosses are designed for them? I beat her on my own the first time because I didn't even know you could use them. The game doesn't tell you shit which is bad design. Regardless I was able to enjoy it once I could use summons. Literally just use them. And waterfowl isn't meant to be dodged except for the second flury. You have to run away.
None of the bosses are designed with summons in mind, not even the 2v1 bosses.
All the bosses are. And this has less play viable playstyles than darksoul1
All major bosses and certain areas of the game are designed for summons. That's why the summon symbol appears during upcoming conflicts. There's few scenarios where you can't use them, as the enemy is fair 1v1. Blaidd's shadow for example. If you manage to beat a boss "solo", great, but you are handicapped nonetheless.
I don't remember it saying that at all. I didn't even know you could use the horse for the longest time. The game doesn't tell you that you have to have in your quick select menu, etc. Of course, a lot of this has to do with a lack of a quest log. Perhaps if I would've remembered Melenia told me about Torrent, I would've used him sooner, but I went off and did my own thing. Bad game design.
All of their arguments are invalid because I could always tell them that if they didn't beat the game at level 1, unarmed, and without armor, they didn't actually beat it. They're crushed by their own logic.
>They're crushed by their own logic.
Or they're just setting restrictions to ensure the fight is enjoyable to overcome. If you are not getting a certain level of challenge, you don't get the full enjoyment of overcoming it. If it's too challenging or too easy, you don't feel good winning. The entire game is designed around this.
Most videogames have difficulty sliders to prevent this sort of thing. None of Fromsoft's games were unsuccessful because they refuse to evolve and utilize what works. Elden Ring just so happened to be open world. It's a popular normie theme. The complaints of the game outweighed the praise in the end.
Elden Ring's difficulty slider is built into the decisions you make in gameplay. That is infinitely better than a difficulty slider in a menu.
Ok, so according to your logic, I'm literally better than anyone here as I beat the entire game with the worst colossal in the game, prepatch, and under level 60. I didn't even use Torrent until the fire giant. I only used the summons on Radahn because it was an obvious feature. I'm better than you, and my opinion matters more. Slippery slope argument there, drone.
>boomer reflexes
The game punishes good reflexes and reaction time, hence the input lag. Artificial difficulty is bad game design. You have to press a button an entire second before you would normally dodge to compensate for input lag. Bad game design.
>Ok, so according to your logic, I'm literally better than anyone here
No you're a moron. The only person you compete with when you play these games is your past self.
>You have to press a button an entire second before you would normally dodge
check your game/controller. thats not a thing i deal with, sounds like something on your end.
Concession accepted.
There are plenty of fromdrones that claim this is cheating.
>There are plenty of fromdrones that claim this is cheating.
>caring
please have a nice day
>a full second
>its actually one one hundredth of a second
so you were close, only wrong in orders of magnitude of 100.
>All major bosses and certain areas of the game are designed for summons.
wrong. They designed them to be compelling 1v1 encounters. they added summons as an accessibility option so casuals would have a way to beat the game without getting frustrated like OP.
He's acknowledging that using magic and summons are common sense, or strategy as he puts it. Instead of trial and error with 100+ deaths. You just proved my point.
>instead of relying on mechanical skill you can use summons
its implying that you can rely on mechanical skill, which you can. sorry you have boomer tier reflexes and think you need to use trial and error instead of just your reflexes boomer but the game is balanced in almost every case around not using summons and having them is a bonus.
Yes, it implies that you can rely on mechanical skill. It doesn’t imply that relying solely on mechanical skill is expected of the player. On the contrary, it’s clearly stated that a strategic approach is emphasized.
If anything, the logical conclusion is that From expects the player to use spirit ashes to beat the bosses. If this somehow breaks the bosses (it doesn’t), the game is poorly balanced.
No, a boss that's designed for spirits means you "need" them and playing solo is "unreasonably hard or tedious".
But none of the bosses in ER are even remotely like that, even 2v1 ones have AI that prevents them from both attacking at once and one is generally way more agreesive and in your face while the other slow walks and ocasionally does an attack.
Just like COOP, spirits are there as an optional crutch.
>game ensure you have the ability to summon for every boss fight
>the game isn’t balanced around summons!
Reminder these games were never intended to be hard and the difficulty is balanced around the mechanical skill and reaction speed of a fifty year old man. You might find the game too easy with summons, but that is the default intended difficulty. Not using summons is a challenge run.
>Not using summons is a challenge run.
Ok, but the bosses are designed to be fair even in solo, you don't need summons to have openings even in the 2v1 fights.
So they were tested/balanced for solo, then had summons added in as crutch for brainlets.
Have you fought Godskin Duo? Without summons the fight turns into a comedy routine befitting of the Benny Hill theme where you run around in circles waiting for them to separate long enough for you to get one or two hits in before they’re together again and you’re back to running around the perimeter of the arena, rinse and repeat about fifty times. It’s the exact same as O&S, another fight obviously balanced around being a 2v2 with Solaire.
Not true, if you were good at the game you could parry the fat one, turns the fight quite managable
>parry fat one
>skinny one hits you before you can repost
Thanks genius I never thought of that.
Yes I noticed and it’s extremely inconsistent. Sometimes they just ignore this and attack simultaneously anyway.
No, one of them will sprint and one of then will slow walk, they separate themselves far faster than O&S.
All the 2v1 bosses literally have AI that prevents them from attacking withing the same 4-5 second period.
Obviously bosses might've been playtested to some degree but how do you know they comply to your definition of "fair" when balancing the fight?
Fair = bosses have openings big enough that all weapon classe can get hits in w/o the boss being distracted by summons/spirits.
Also, obviously you can roll every attack if timed corectly unless you're fatrolling, then a few attacks might be too much, but not most.
That's just your assumption, it's an arbitrary definition based on general observations about the game. You can technically do a lot of weird things in FROM games like clear the game at SL1 or play them without taking damage at all, or without rolling, or using only consumables. Is it balanced around those things? Doubtful. What we assume is "fair" might not even be a part of the equation for the playtesters or people responsible for balance.
It's been obvious in every souls game after DeS and DS1that they polish these bosses for each weapon class.
That's why we don't have shit like this anymore.
>bosses might've been playtested to some degree
LMAO, Souls bosses are literally frame counted for each of its 10-15 attacks that and (re)adjusted 20 times before it makes it into the final game so that none of the 25+ weapon classes and spells are either insanely easymode or insanely unreasonably hard or tedious.
Only exception being using elemental spells or physical damage type the boss is resistant to like fire on a lava boss or slashing on an armored boss, and even then you'll just do 50% normal damage, way harder but not extreme bullshit.
>so that none of the 25+ weapon classes and spells are either insanely easymode or insanely unreasonably hard or tedious
That's bullshit and you know it, just look at magic in DeS and DS1. Or generally at how easy it is to break these games.
DS1 and DeS are far worse than any of the sequels in terms of how east it is to break things, especially des with 99 heals and 99 mana consumables.
You can literally SL1 the game and nuke bosses with a poise/magic build with less effort than it takes to beat Mergit on a regular ER run.
nah ER is really easy to break
>maxed out +25 weapons in a +12 to +15 area, overleveled character
By that logic DS1 is skilless because you can get +15 before fighting most of the bosses.
Meanwhile in DS1 you can 4 shot bosses at SL1.
your DeS webm is stacking like 5 different damage boosts that require you to be at low health which obviously no average player is gonna do
your DaS1 webm is using full smoughs, grass crest shield and a random drop black knight weapon that most players will not have access to
meanwhile you can break ER by just using one of your infinite free summons and randomly spamming moonveil or magic
ER is also the 7th game in the series, not the first one, so there's really no excuse
The game would be better if you could only use each Spirit ash once per Journey
DeS damage boosts are irrelevant.
The real issue is retarded infinite stunlocks.
Even with regular damage, you'd beat the boss identically, it would just take 3-4 sessions of stunlocking to do it.
And there's only 2 buffs in the game that activate at low HP, Morion Blade and Clever Rat Ring.
The problem is that unlike DS2, DS3, ER, it's a 50% damage increase for each at 30% HP, meanwhiile in future games it's 25%.
the game literally tells you about summons when you pick up the items that involve summoning near the start of the game, retard.
Nu Ganker has this weird dick measuring contest involving various games and using things in them. As someone who completely forgets summons exist and forget a prayerbook and boss up until my 5th playthrough it really is up to the player how much they want to invest in victory.
What the fuck you retards about. Bosses aren't designed with summon in mind as some summons can even solo some bosses.
Also people try to avoid using summons because they want to take bosses with their own inputs without relying on an AI for support.
I can agree that some players push it too far (not using X weapons or Y Strategies) but summons break the boss difficulty by giving you room to heal for example
Use help and summons retard, that boss is the only boss in the game who break her animations to attack you and ignore the poise rules every soul games followed. She's cheating and so should you
All bosses are designed for summons. Hence the bad controls and overturned attacks from the enemies. If there wasn't any input lag and clunky animations, the bosses would be fair. It's obvious that the input lag and animations are there to artificially make the game harder. Otherwise nobody would complain about the difficulty. Difficulty in Elden Ring is completely fake.
Go Fuck yourself, the input lag is meant is meant to counter rollfag who keep spamming as soon as they see thé boss move a finger
Bosses aren't designed with summons just like how dark soul bosses weren't designed with multiplayer
Input lag is objectively bad no matter what game we're talking about. According to other fromdrones, input lag actually didn't exist in previous Souls games. Elden Ring has input lag to artificially inflate the game's difficulty. If the game didn't have input lag, you'd barely hear complaints. Most bosses are "unfair" because you're punished for having good reaction time. Bad game design.
>you're punished for having good reaction time
helm im being trolled!
they should pay your for running defense for their shitty design decisions. the boss animations in elden ring feel like they were designed by a fat fuck that has no concept of how bodies move or weight behaves in motion, especially when lifted.
The normal dodge in Bloodborne is bloodhound step in Elden Ring.
Lol
I warned you, fromboy. I gave you the opportunity to post credentials or no more yous. Now I have to treat you like a child and ignore you as you think about your actions. You get to sit in timeout while the adults talk. Have a nice day.
Every boss is easily beteable solo without summons you are just bad if you cry about bosses being impossible without summon, the only reasonable boss I could see someone cry about is Malenia, she's kinda bullshit but otherwise every other boss is kinda easy when you learn the game.
>Use help and summons retard, that boss is the only boss in the game who break her animations to attack you and ignore the poise rules every soul games followed. She's cheating and so should you
wrong and retarded. you retards need to stop parroting this retarded shit. fucking retards.
It's been a year, stop coping she recover from poise damage and it has been already proven
This is a necessary mechanic otherwise you’d be able to stunlock her to death (which is still possible anyway but shh) and people would complain that the optional super boss isn’t hard enough.
>This is a necessary mechanic
They managed fine without it in their previous games.
>Bosses aren't designed with summon
Are you saying that Fromsoft, who has had summoned helpers in their last 6 games, human and NPC, now adds the ability to pick your NPC summon and Im supposed to believe there was no design consideration for their participation in boss fights?
Just like any fromsoft game, bosses are first designed being able to solo the player, summons/NPC can distract the boss letting you heal without consequences.
I would Say some bosses might be tought with a story related NPC in mind but there no fucking way the devs tought about every mix of bosses and summons
For one example Rykard is not designed with summons in mind, some might survive longer than other but it's clearly meant to be defeated with the snake Sword arts
>muh vidya is serious business!
no one cares, loser.
brainrot post
>I gave up on Elden ring
Yeah, it is pretty shit. Zelda is so much better.
LOL
LMAO
It's shrimple, I go to from threads to shit on them and praise tendoschlop.
I go to zeldaschlop threads to shit on it and praise fromschlop.
It's a living.
You're overleveled, delete character and try again, don't go over 125.
Sorry kiddo, SL150 is the meta level. Get fucked.
It's still 125 actually, 150 was considered at the start because of the extreme damage of buff+weapon arts needing 60VIG but those were reduced later, especially when they detached PvE damage scaling from PvP.
shut the fuck up gay. only duel retards think the meta should be 125. All the dipshit normies and redditors never stop leveling.
>Still 125
Was always 150. The meta level for Demons, DS1, and DS3 is 125 as that allows to hit all softcaps + having comfortable stats. The meta in DS2 and ER is 150 for the same reasons. Hybrid builds are absolute garbage at 125 and strength dominates 125 harder than it does at 150. How boring.
It's nearly irrelevant anyways since the PVP scene is nearly dead in ER due to the terrible high level PVP. It's not nearly as good as DS3 or DS2 was.
>It's nearly irrelevant anyways since the PVP scene is nearly dead in ER
It's far more active than DS3's ever was and DS3 still has near instant invasions in the endgame and DLC areas even in 2021.
DS3 was far more active due to the smaller world. Even with the wex dust change, Elden Ring has such a shitty invasion system that the activity has drastically declined. It's also difficult to find any coop due to the mod being so much better.
Who the fuck thought that having 1 invasion slot and 4 player max in OPEN WORLD invasions would be a good idea. Gross. Long gone are the megafun days of invading and team battles in DS3.
Omitting the covenant defense areas or a Spear of the Church type boss was such an egregious oversight.
Most of the invasions are concentrated in legacy dungeons because ppl don't summon in the world besides a few fuckers like the Dragons, Rot Avatars and Draconic Tree Sentinel.
You can still have 2v2 team battles in ER if you use the finger and summon one player.
And if you use the finger while solo, you don't get a 2v1 invasion bullshit anymore like DS3, just a constant stream of 1v1 invasions every 5-10 mins.
I played my 3nd run with the finger on half the time and it was fantastic.
>And if you use the finger while solo, you don't get a 2v1 invasion bullshit anymore like DS3, just a constant stream of 1v1 invasions every 5-10 mins.
No, you get them back to back to back. Without any cooldown, it is not "ever 5-10 minutes". You will not make any progress with tongue up.
Unless they changed it in the last year of course.
It really depends on the area, you level and weapon upgrade.
Sometimes they're constant, sometimes it takes a bit.
However if they're too frequent, just deactivate the tongue and give yourself a 10m break afrer each invader you kill.
Maybe, I tried it when the game was new in Academy and then again in the capital. I couldn't get away from the bonfire due to constant invasions. Even if I win, 10 seconds later I get another one. I have no idea why they made it like this, old system with a cooldown was perfect.
DS2 still has the best pvp of all the souls games.
DS2 pioneered all the good PvP mechanics but DS3 and ER reused and improved them.
Really nice how ER brought back strong poison builds.
Git gud
get a shield with 100% physical negation, block the first wave, roll through the second then just backpaddle a bit and watch the 3rd
also she does the move at certain health breakpoints, watch out for those
it's an optional boss
you skipped out going into that one cave before too
you know that one? oh you don't? yeah then just forget this boss like you forgot that cave
fuck the completionism mindset
STR chads make her kneel.
Keep at it. I died aroun 70 or 80 times to this. Locked myself at lvl 100 and refused to use great runes or summons too. Go for runs where you try to learn something specific, don't always try to "beat" her. For example, learn how to dodge the waterfowl bullshit. Try different weapons, try different moves. Position yourself at a different distance when you expect that attack, instead of trying to dodge, move or even block. Keep at it. Second phase was easier for me, because she stays still for a couple of times and you can deal massive damage then.
Have you tried attacking her without getting hit?
just silver tear
bro
like
lmao
just silver tear and spit roast lol
Mimic is shit against Malenia, it'll barely keep her busy for 30 seconds and let you do 20% "free" damage to the phase 1 before she demolishes it.
Better to just man up and learn to properly dodge and not rollspam like a monkey.
Just give him any colossal weapon with Lion's claw and the fight will become stunlock/poise break fest. It may sucks in PvP but most enemies in PvE usually can't stand more than 2 hits before breaking poise.
this fight has no respect for the player, you should have no respect for it. summon Tiche and bust out the dual katanas.
by break point was when I realize she still heals even if you successfully avoid her attacks via i-frames. as long as her sword makes contact with your character, regardless of damage, she heals. I have no idea what they thought releasing the game with her like this
Beat her on my 4th try with mimic and double whip (so quadruple whip). I stunlocked her until second phase.
Also first whip with bleed stack and second one with frost stack.
just play aggressive and trade with her bro
heres me doing it
I beat it with a longsword and a kite shield, no summons or ashes of war. If I can do it so can you.
>shield
you didn't beat her
>no ashes of war
Sounds like as terribly boring way to play
It's not impossible. There is a pretty consistent way to dodge the blade dance. You just need ti figure it out
Summons are one of the rewards for exploring. If you use a good summon (without using a wiki to find it), you've earned it because you found it. And most summons are pretty shit.
I just came here to tell you OP, you're a loser and you should try to farm replies on reddit with your shit.
All the weakminded fools telling OP to use summons. You may beat her like that OP but will you actually FEEL like you did?
You know the answer
game says she dead
I got the achievement and her faggy sword. Just the same as some sperg who bear her RL1 unupgraded club no armor
I play stealth games. The whole concept of stealth is that when you can't defeat an enemy in direct combat, you refuse to engage on the enemy's terms and stab them in the back without giving them the chance to return fire. Every time an opponent dies because I cheated them out of their glorious duel, it doesn't just feel like victory. It feels like I outsmarted them. They wanted to play a game with rules, and I said no, then killed them in a way they don't like. I brought the gun into the sword fight, and they were stupid enough to not do the same. In Sekiro, Isshin understands this, and does exactly what I do. Honor is always only a weakness to exploit in others, never a virtue to venerate in self.
>will you actually FEEL like you did?
Hmm yes?
Just get over it and start summoning. At some point I just really stopped liking Souls bosses, so in Bloodborne I summoned for that horse guy and probably someone else, I forget what his name was. I just want to see the next areas, not fight the same guy in an arena. Also summoned for some boss in Nioh. The bosses are just something you have to do before getting to the next place, they don't usually really offer anything new or different
Malenia is broken and cheats the game's mechanics. Don't feel bad about not killing her.
>cheats the game's mechanics.
no she doesnt. lmao
based retard
wrong
No im actually smart and understand the game mechanics more than you morons or that other uidiot who made a youtube video. I wish a was stupid like you fucking animals so i wouldnt have to understand just how fucking dumb you cretinous vermin actually are because talking to you idiots is a form of fucking torture.
No you're wrong. I have tested everything myself and Malenia is a cheater.
lotta words for a dipshit in denial lmao
git gud
She actively ignores the game's rules regarding poise and stagger. She's a cheating cunt.
Not at all, a bunch of bosses have certain attacks and animations (like phase transitins) that prevent a stagger even if posture broken, you have to attack again after they reach 0 posture to initiate it for real.
Malenia does this with many of her attacks, but has the lowest posture out of many endgame bosses.
Because it would be dumb if she had more than fucking Radahn and even worse w/o this mechanics if you could chain posture break her like webm related.
You just have to do 1 extra attack after she gets to 0 posture but time it so it's not when she's in hyperarmor, not hard once you figure it out.
posted all this bullshit to still be wrong fucking KEK
Cope.
Whatever lets you scrubs cope in peace.
If they were designed with summons with mind they wouldn't be possible to beat without them. Summons are a crutch, stop coping.
You only get to claim a boss is badly designed after you've beaten it fair and square
Post a video of you beating the game level 1, unarmed, and without armor. And if you die, you have to start over. Also, you can't use flasks during boss fights. If you can't provide this evidence, then your post remains invalid. Your only other alternative is to post your body to prove the average fromdrone isn't the stereotype.
I beat every boss solo and without summons as stated earlier.
This fromdrone has completely lost it lol.
>Post a video of you beating the game level 1, unarmed, and without armor. And if you die, you have to start over. Also, you can't use flasks during boss fights. If you can't provide this evidence, then your post remains invalid.
What a retarded cope. You can use whatever you want to give you an advantage, it's not the same thing as letting the game play itself for you
Upgrading your weapons, leveling up, etc is letting the game play itself for you. You should be able to beat every boss at level 1, unarmed, and without armor. Again, if you can't post a video or a picture of your body, then you aren't getting any more yous as it'll be a form of concession. Your move.
Concession accepted
That was on PC. But at the least you've acknowledged it exists. You're more of a man than the rest of these fromdrones despite your pride not allowing you to admit your fault and copes. But still half a man regardless.
Fromdrones are a very small percentage of gamers that base their Identities around playing fromslop. Similar to homosexuals that base their Identities around anal sex. Elden Ring just allowed them to get more rabid than usual. They don't represent everyone else, moron.
accepted
>literally allows anonymous people on the internet to dictate how he plays a game he paid for
Yeah... you probably should have a nice day.
>Upgrading your weapons, leveling up, etc is letting the game play itself for you.
You're just digging a bigger hole with this silly logic. Go ahead upgrade the weapons and armor to the max, and just stand there without doing anything or touching the controller and see how well you fare.
>>boss kills me in 1-3 hits, I need to hit them 10-30 times depending on boss
Bosses also don't have healing items, they follow set patterns that can be exploited while you can move however you want and use whatever weapon you want.You have access to many different options while the boss only has a few
You set the standard, fromdrone. If you didn't beat the game at level 1, unarmed, and without armor, then you didn't beat the game. I agree it's silly logic. But it's your logic. It's fromdrone logic.
>You set the standard, fromdrone.
No, I didn't. Summons are the only thing I've been against, you're the one stretching that to mechanics that aren't autoplay.
This whole "didn't beat the game" meme literally comes from people trying to create a false equivalence between using summons and other mechanics in the game in order to feel better about how they beat the game.
>to feel better about how they beat the game.
Most of the people arguing for these arbitrary rules of "beating the game" don't actually play it.
You're no different than people that claim you didn't beat the game, and take the meme literally. They have their standard. You have yours. But both of you have arbitrary rules and spew your gayry to others. This is why fromslop produces failed games because you can never pull a population. Somebody asks for advice, and people like you come along. And players leave. Be thankful it's an open world and you fromdrones got some degree of notoriety. Fortunately, everybody that wasn't on gamefaqs back then, or normies in general, are able to see what fromdrones are like for the first time. Notice how you're in the minority now unlike the first few months of release? You're going back in the dark like after Souls2.
>boss has 30x more health than me
>boss kills me in 1-3 hits, I need to hit them 10-30 times depending on boss
bosses don't play fair so why should I?
I want a mod where instead of “I am Melina blade of miquella” she explains sneed instead
i chuckled
Use bleed, frost or takers flame you fucking gay.
Why the fuck does Ganker have such a massive shitfit over playing souls games a particular way?
With literally any other game it's fine but for some reason Souls is the "you didn't beat the game" game.
You posted this before you dumb cunt here's your (you)
> That Waterfowl attack is just impossible to dodge.
The moment she jumps to do the waterfowl dance, you run backwards. you roll towards her the moment she does the second flurry attack. Once you do that, the third time is easily avoidable.
>Second phase is just unforgivable
Just have patience and run around until there's an opening. For example the blooming attack. Once she blooms, run towards her and attack.
OP here. I fucking did it.
Congratulations man.
Is there a higher quality pic? I wanna use it as wallpaper
https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/048/702/502/large/christian-angel-melrtw150.jpg?1650709537
Just what I was looking for. Thanks, anon.
Doesn't count because you have bad fashion.
Fucking grats man. Well done.
lol
lol lol
git gud
posting a video of essentially the top 0.1% of pve players doesn't really prove anything
>posting a video of essentially the top 0.1%
Literally my first souls game and I can do the exact same thing, chud.
🙁
post proof then
Post proof
>top 0.1% of pve players
What does that mean? He's not doing anything supernatural there. What prevents you from playing like that?
the only boss I summoned for is godskin duo because fuck those guys
Just use sleeping pots.
I like fighting Godskins for their theme song alone.
Understandable. This game has some good tracks.
I just got to them today and I can already tell this is going to be the most unfun fight in the whole game after 3 attempts
ENTER
This fight is just two 1v1s if you have decent damage.
I posture broke #1 while #2 flew in then by the time they did a few attacks, I yolo'd #1.
>try fighting them a few times
>alright I'll just come back later
>15 levels later and I kill the first gargoyle before the second one can do shit
I'd rather fight 100 Valiant Gargoyles than these Godskin dipshits
Literally
I'll probably fight them a few more times and then just do that if I get annoyed in the end
it's optional, just go finish the game.
I've only summoned Mimic Tear for Mimic tear because I thought it would be funny.
it was...
Jej so do I.
I did it on my second run because I thought going naked and fighting with my fists only against the mimmick would be fun shit. Turns out it took me almost 2 hours and I just gave up in doing a fair fight in the end.
Can't wait for the DLC.
You and me.
Hope we get Miquella's mending rune for a new interesting ending.
And I can only hope to see prime Godwyn.
We're gonna get fish monster Demigod Prince of Death Godwyn, imagine the phases.
>1st Phase: Godwyn, Prince of Death
>2nd Phase: Godwyn The Golden
>3rd Phase: Godwyn of the Crucible
Also hope we get to fight the Gloam Eyed Queen with the full power of Destined Death.
and a new version of Melania is all but confirmed
Godwins spines got fly wings on them and that shit is gross.
Yeah, Godwyn got fucked up pretty badly.
Why did Ranni kill the most decent demigod there was. She doesn't even feel any remorse.
What a fucking bitch.
Miquella is pretty decent too.
True.
Maybe she was tricked. Or maybe she just needed a Demi-god killed and the Black Knives wanted it to be Godwyn but Ranni betrayed them by killing herself at the same time and then imprisoned their leader.
the dark moon cannot exist with a brighter sun
She probably needed another demigod killed to rid herself of her empyrian flesh. It's suggested that Marika might have been in on the scheme so the god queen might have personally recommend Ranni target Godwyn.
It's possible the Ranni didn't target Godwyn at all. And if Miquella really is Torrent's former master she might have connections with him also.
>Et tu, Ranni?
Kill Radahn? Who cares hes respected and feared but both his parents couldnt give ten shits. Rykard? Oh no Tanith is weeping! Ranni? Outside of talent she is a charisma void. Mohg and Morgott are Omen and either unreachable or hard to kill. Godrick? Pfft. Godwyn and Miquella were the most loved demigods but good luck getting to Miquella when Malenia is on him 24:7. Godwyn did the most. He is the only successful child of Marika/Godfrey, stopped a war between dragons and mankind, was proficient in Golden Order incantations and so on.
She could've killed Godwyn's dog shit offspring like Godrick or Godefroy.
You dont kill people who nobody will miss you kill someone whos death will create a ripple effect. The fact that Maliketh is eating Deathroot in his own misery, Marika shattered the ER and even the crazy finger crones mourn him is proof of that.
Outside of Waterfowl, Malenia is piss easy, Mohg, Fire giant and Maliketh all fucked me harder. Malenia staggers so easy it's insane.
Bro it took me 12 try with my dagger build
Oogies
I've literally never even seen her second form because the first time I beat her second phase health magically went from 100 to 0 for some reason
I literally used summon on most the boss I encounter
ENTER
Ludwig and Maria were unironically harder.
kos is easier than malenia
laurcence is harder than kos
because it's 15fps or less on 3rd phase
Yes
Malenia is overdesigned garbage we all know that. It's proof that from gave up on the design philosophy that Myazaki has to be able to solo a boss without taking damage to check if it's fair.
If you don't want to summon for her than you should overlevel and get so much damage that you can kill her before she does anything.
Even people who can do her naked no hit rune level one agree she's just badly designed with RNG mechanics like lmao fuck you I can just dodge your attack with no warning.
That's why you have to install the Reforged mod :^)
I wouldn't say overdesigned, I just think she's deliberately unfair in one particular way. Take out Waterfowl dance and her boss fight is infinitely easier.
No, she'd still be bullshit. First by basically hard countering shield builds. No other boss on from soft's line up counters one character build that hard. Next is her RNG dodge (though to be fair this is mainly bullshit BECAUSE of the lifesteal and waterfowl dance).
>Hard counter
Except shields still absolutely fuck her over.
Especially going hard on heavy shields because she doesn't do enough damage to break their guard
Ganker as usual has no idea what its talking about
>First by basically hard countering shield builds. No other boss on from soft's line up counters one character build that hard.
If you aren't a strengthlet use a shield
Malenia there’s a knee on my neck!
How many time you dies while fighting her bro
with the amount of broken shit that was in this game (when i played, maybe its since been patched) the main factor determining success or failure isnt even skill but stubborn refusal to use all the tools at your disposal. i should know, i used a holy build and refused to respec in spite of all the holy resistant bosses near the end. i still beat malenia and i think you can too but i suggest you consider that your character may be built like shit and that you might want to fix that if so
>glitch up a rock
>spam flies
ez
Holy mother of filtered
Just get a Switch bro
>Filtered
But OP did it.
I just jump bonked her with a great hammer.
Took a few tries but it worked pretty well for me.
This bitch took me a full week to beat and in the end I had to look up how to use BHS to completely skip her waterfowl, she's a retarded fight and fromsoft are morons for putting her in the game
t. 1000+ hours in ER but only beat this wretched whore once
>BHS spammer, pre-nerf
Didn't beat her for real
Yeah I know, I don't give a shit.
I also never even entered the boss room of the duo cat bossfight in Frigid outskirts despite me having played DS2 on and off for half a decade with many dozens of completed playthroughs.
I love fromsoft games but I wont bend over to retarded game design.
Skill issue.
>soulsfag elitism
Kek, no wonder Elden Ring multiplayer is dead.
What are you talking about?
I get constant invasions at nearly every level/weapon upgrade tier.
>I refuse to use spirit summons or any kind of summon
Because you're a retarded Gankertard who refuses to play the game it was designed to be played.
Not OP but summons make this fight go from impossible to easy as fuck, why even do the "wow le hard endgame boss" if you're just gonna get a cheap win?
Not defending elitist autism btw, Malenia sucks dick and if you just want to 100% the game then you're completely justified to go into CE and set her HP to 0
>Malenia sucks dick and if you just want to 100% the game then you're completely justified to go into CE and set her HP to 0
If you're disabled, why not just watch the game on twitch or yourube?
What's that supposed to mean?
Insane post, why not just agree with me then you pedantic fuck
This is a discussion forum you fucking monkey, I agree with you but that doesn't mean I can't explain to you why someone else may have a different perspective.
Use a shield for waterfowl. The first volley is the deadliest part. Block the first volley, dodge the second and third. People get tricked by the healing into thinking blocking is detrimental against her but at that point in the game you should have enough damage to outweigh her healing.
I'm willing bet that some of the new Remembrance bosses in the DLC are gonna be accessed via things left over by bosses you killed or things in their boss rooms.
>Mohg- Miquellas Cocoon
>Malenia-Scarlet Flower
>Rykard- Head being eaten by his wife
>Fortissax-Godwyn's Corpse
>Radagon- Marika's corpse
Just like the Fortissax fight we'll probably have to touch them to enter their dreams.
Honestly, she's not too awful. I do think she has way too much shit going on for how your character controls, but once you "understand" how her attacks work (aka how her waterfowl works) its not as bad.
Still a retarded move that she can use though. I actually found phase 2 super easy in comparison to phase 1.
Deenh and Tricia are the best summons for people who think summons make the game too easy. Nobody is forcing you to use the OP summons capable of soloing bosses.
Waterfowl is retarded simply because it’s basically necessary to look up how to dodge it, you’re not figuring out that convoluted bullshit on your own. if they removed waterfowl or at least nerfed it heavily Malenia would be the best boss they’ve ever made.
Just block it with a great shield lol
Yes obviously that’s the intended solution but if you want to learn to dodge it you have to look it up and that’s bullshit.
I didn't have that problem on the count of me using Bloodhound step since Rennalla.
>bloodhound step
May as well use CE, and I say that as the guy ITT advocating for the use of summons.
Nerfing or removing it would do two things. It would create an eternal e-peen contest of people who beat it before and after. Secondly it would be an admittance that they fucked up. No developer is ever going to do that. They would toss a newborn off Mt Everest before consciously admitting a foul up.
They did it to Radahn and he’s still an amazing fight that’s very challenging as long as you’re not overleveled.
If a boss has an npc summon in front of the fog door it’s balanced around summons. These games are about the story more than anything else, and summoning people for help with fights is a major part of that story.
Nothing is balanced with summons in mind, it's just "hard mode" and balanced to be fair around it.
NPC summons are the "normal mode", that's why they do x5 less damage than a regular player but have high HP, they expect the player to be doing DPS while the NPC distracts, but usually the NPC dies half way in the fight.
And player summons are the easy mode, especially early on where boss HP is low and weapon arts + elemental damage completely nuke them.
This boss took me 260 something tries, truly suifuel
The only reason I turn this game on anymore is to get summoned to help people with Malenia because I love the fight so much.
I love the androgynous look of her. Fromsoft has such great taste in design
Coolest looking boss.
This guy does stupid damage but he’s also so squishy. Took me a dozen tries because I’d get to second phase and he’d one shot me but when I ultimately beat him I think it took a total of 6 r2s.
Makes you wonder how he even beat the Godskin apostles with the full power of destined death while head had nothing but an oversized dagger. Truthfully after Consecrated snowfield and Mohgwyn palace the last 3 Remembrance bosses felt kind of too easy outside of Maliketh maybe.
I'll never understand moron gays who cut their own legs then complain they hop around.
Bruh, you're a fucking retard sped and you should stop using the internet, before your imbecility infects another
bae mindbreaks another one
>I don't get it bro, why can't I beat this boss!
>No, I refuse to use this tool (summons)
>No, I refuse to use this tool (items)
>No, I refuse to use this tool (spells)
>No, I refuse to use this tool (statuses to widdle her down)
>No, I refuse to use this tool (ashes of war (especially those that stun))
>No, I refuse to use this tool (any other build besides your outdated ds1 setup)
Then play something else. If you're so brainrotted by the "git gud" meme you refuse to use anything besides the same roll, shield, and R1 spam that got you through DS1, you're better off playing a different game.
based chads, playing the game with the tools provided and enjoying the sweet lamentations of the autistic try hard speds
Thing is she is beatable with just that, it's just your regular soul veteran's skills aren't enough anymore. I can understand the frustration, for a decade you could pretty much wing it with just rollspamming and R1ing and get through every other Souls game just by relying on your experience fighting Artorias alone. Now you have to actually learn the fight to prevail? Fuck off, the boss is cheating, if I take damage it means the game is bugged, have you SEEN my playtime? I know better how these games should be made, if my barebones playstyle was overpowered in DS1 it should carry me through every other entry and should never be countered.
>I'm stuck on this boss and I refuse to use spirit summons or any kind of summon.
Hahahaha
Lol
Lmao even
I just steamrolled everyone and everything using what were available. Had a blast. Enjoy being cucked by the tryhard mentality this place gave you.
I just watched every boss in Twitch so I had the same expirience as you 🙂
No problem. Happy to know you found some fun. I did that with Bloodborne. Kek
Played since release on and off on various characters with different builds. Beat Malenia for the first time yesterday using dual katanas. Took me like 13h total. Phase 1 was easy after a while, had to be real greedy to die. Phase 2 I just couldn't get the pace right and had to pull out Tyche after a while. Felt sad that it was over and that I couldn't 1v1 her P2. Nothing compares to the satisfaction of groking how to beat her the first time.
People that complain about roll spam or that Malenia is too hard etc. are simply retarded street shitters. She is hard, as she should be.
I did a no summon playthrough, but I got too burnt out by the time I reach her, so I just gave up.
Fighting Maliketh, Godfrey, and Radagon solo were the best part of the game for me though.
Lol get fucked nerd. I raped her with moonblade in phase 1 and she did scarlet aeonia twice in a row in phase 2 so I shoved azur star up her ass twice.
INT is the comfiest build in Elden Ring. Cool weapons, spells look better than ever, can be as unfair to the game as the game is to you. I love it.
Tbf sorcerers are a bit too strong, at least in pve. I don't even know the movesets of half the bosses. I don't even look for a build guide, I just looked up soft cap levels. On the other hand I do summon ashes, just because I can. I'm not going to cuck myself out of a game mechanic.
>Hate summoning.
>Am not gud enough to deal with the bullshit in the lategame easily on melee builds.
I guess I'll stick to sorcery for the most part until something clicks in my brain and I get better at the game.
I've been trying faith on a different character though and I'm a bit underwhelmed by my offensive incantations, what do you anons recommend? I've been using black flame, lightning spear and frenzied burst (for sniping from far away).
>I've been trying faith on a different character though and I'm a bit underwhelmed by my offensive incantations
post build and seal.
For the spell, replace black flame with Black blade or black blade incantation.
Use ancient lighting dragon strike on big bosses for insane damage.
I'm at 72 faith with erdtree seal, previously I was using godslayer seal.
I haven't gone to farum azula yet, but based on what you say the incants from there are quite good. Shame it's so late in the game.
You can get black blade in Altus.
It has a strong Ash of War that will melt Fire Giant.
Also, get Pest threads for giant boss before moving to ancient dragon lighting strike.
It's a shame that bolt of Gransax is a fucking Dex weapon for some reasons when it's an upgraded lighting spear.
I mean black knife
Wait what? She killed his bro? That's news to me.
It's hilarious how most side bossess in Elden Ring are better than final bosses in other games.
I mean if you are a contrarian gay, sure.
There are like a thousand ways to cheese this boss (the back step ash, summons, magic, vitbaby). Patience is your problem. You want to just go in and fuck it up, you have to choose your attacks. Also waterfowl is easy to dodge without any help either (when she goes up run away like hell, after the first volley dodge into the second volley and nothing will hit you then just stand still and she misses you completely for the last attack).