I haven’t played any Pokémon games since gen 4. Has there been an innovation in the games since the physical/special split? To my knowledge, that was the last meaningful change they made to Pokémon, besides maybe the Fairy type. Everything else they’ve done since gen 4 that I’m aware of has been either A.) a moronic gimmick (mega evos, type changing, etc.) B.) shitty design choices (change in art style, regional forms or C.) additions to the lore that makes it feel less like Pokémon and more like some kind of shitty fan art (ultra beasts)
Am I wrong to think this, or has something good come from Pokémon since gen 4?
I meant fan fiction, not fan art, but I guess it could be both.
Leave this franchise and board immediately.
Ignore all posts after this one.
Why? I’m thinking about getting back into Pokémon but I want to know what the consensus is post-gen 4
>has something good come from Pokemon since Gen 4?
Gen 5. This post will have guaranteed replies.
What changes did they make in gen 5 that was on par with the innovation of the physical/special split
There wasn't any meaningful change in gen 5, but it certainly didn't go downhill. Gen 5 really felt like playing Pokemon for the first time, without the nostalgia; in addition with all the QOL of 15 years. A very good experience from someone who also dropped out in gen 4
Triples were a good addition, despite how silly they seemed at first. I never got into rotation but I know people liked them too.
Gen 5 started reusable TM’s, which is one of the best quality of life changes in the entire series.
Great response, thank you. So would you say gen 5 is the culmination of everything good about Pokémon before everything starts going to shit? Or is that not a fair summation?
The 2 gen 5 games together make the pinnacle of pokemon, both focus on different aspects of the franchise, sadly the feature that let you "import" your save to the new game to get interesting stuff is hard to access nowadays
>The 2 gen 5 games together make the pinnacle of pokemon
yeah I love clicking A in front of things and not being able to explore!
Every route has a side area to explore, half of them are locked under surf but you can explore enough either way, BW2 has even more side stuff and either way the levels of the gyms are adjusted to be around your level always
Gen 5 also introduces a variable exp gain, if you are underleveled (compared to the opposing pokemon) you gain more exp, you gain less if you are overleveled
You should go outside, get some fresh air. Life is too short to be lying out of your ass trying to start drama on /vp/.
>Gen 5 really felt like playing Pokemon for the first time
pokemon wasn't a linear handholdy boring mess when I played it the first time.
Oh please. There was only ever one path you could take in Red, and so far Silver has been one of the only games that let you do gyms out of order, and that was only like 2 or 3.
>There was only ever one path you could take in Red
please play gen 1 a single time in your life, dumbass zoomer
There were absolutely no alternate paths in red/blue. Everything was locked behind events and HM gates. There was only the illusion of exploration, but ultimately there was only one way to get to each gym.
>There was only the illusion of exploration
This is monumentally better than whatever the frick Gen 5-8 does.
You clearly haven't played any gen 5-8 games, genwun boomer.
Trying to make gen 5 out to be a nugen game is peak nugenner cope
Trying to gaslight the community into thinking Gen 5 belongs in the Golden Era (Gens 1 - 4) just because it was on the same system as Gen 4 is peak nu-Genner cope.
In an alternate universe, XY was released on the DS and BW was released on the 3DS and it would've made no difference because Gen 5 has more in common with Gen 6 than with Gen 4, yet Gen 6 is the scapegoat for starting the downfall despite Gen 5 having almost everything people complain about Gen 6 for.
Ok kalostroony
Nice deflection. Frick Unova and frick Kalos. Frick everything after Gen 4. Even Sinnoh is kind of shit. Gen 4 was hard carried by the GS remakes.
>likes hoenn
Peak shit taste, barren ass gay region
>the Golden Era (Gens 1 - 4)
>gen 4 coming anywhere close to the Golden Era
>Pretending HGSS doesn't exist now
Ok, Discordtroony.
>shitty Battlefrontier instead of an remake of the modes from Stadium 2
It's not a perfect game Anon
GSC is still better
the split was a mistake
>massive numbers of Pokemon are forced to run mixed sets or go without STAB due to typing being locked into physical or special
>this was better
Explain yourself, moron.
There's nothing wrong with either of those things, and they actually encourage more creative sets alongside the versatility of physical hidden power.
On par feels like a very subjective term but off the top of my head:
-Reusable TMs
-Scrapping HMs
-IV modifiers
-Remote Box (access Boxes from anywhere)
-Open world areas
There hasn't really been any need for anything as universally gamechanging as the Phys/Spec split as that was a much-needed change and there isn't really another stat worth adding.
This is a really good response, thank you. The only one of those that sticks out to me as a problem is the box being accessible from anywhere. Seems like the “team of 6” thing is pretty moot at that point, if you can just swap them around whenever you want (I’m assuming you can’t do this during battle). Also, I was not aware TMs are reusable now, that’s really nice.
>out to me as a problem is the box being accessible from anywhere
Don't use it anywhere then.
The box is disabled in certain dungeons.
Hidden abilities too
>regional forms
These are neat
The constant desire to """""innovate""""" the games led us to 4 shitty gimmics in like 5 years
Pokémon is suffering the same fate that Paper Mario is because of “”””innovation””””
gen 4/5 was the peak of innovation. from then on, it's just as you said.
It feels like you've already made up your mind if you're discounting the addition of the fairy type so casually.
I haven’t made up my mind, I was just sharing what I already knew about post-gen4 features and my thoughts about them. That’s why I asked if there was anything I didn’t know about and what other peoples’ thoughts opinions are.
>Has there been an innovation in the games since the physical/special split?
ow encounters
>Has there been an innovation in the games since the physical/special split?
as features, OW encounters, Fairy type and Gems
wait no Gems got removed, like a bunch of shit. can you believe contests and secret bases are completely gone?
uhhh and Raids I guess got added
there's some QoL too. they got rid of HMs, TMs are now reusable, you can rename mons and relearn moves on the fly.
technically one game had Escape Rope and PC as key items but it wasn't exactly a good thing.
Also IVs somehow still exist. why did they not get rid of them I wonder.
Only good change Gen 4 did was physical/special split
Everything about the games are just shit
Gen 6 and 7 are both good btw