I just played the demo of this and it was amazing. How can it only be 2GB big? Are devs finally getting competent again?

I just played the demo of this and it was amazing. How can it only be 2GB big? Are devs finally getting competent again?

System Shock thread I suppose.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Man I must suck at making threads, nobody ever replies

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You're supposed to say the demo sucked bigly and that the game being only 2gb is a sign of it being tiny and poor quality, not say it's good.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Post barely censored rule 34 of shofar next time, then you’ll get your responses

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the last demo was 5 GB in size on my machine

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    When will the release finally come out? I'm already fricked up waiting.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      May. Until they delay it again

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It's May? I thought it was this month.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          They just delayed it like two days ago.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Jesus Christ

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        FRICK! With each postponement of the release date, there are more and more doubts that we will get something worthwhile in the final. Immersive sim is dead.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          demo was dope tho
          i think its just optimization and bugs and shit - or console versions
          nightdive isnt too big a studio

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Is there a demo version only on steam? It sucks because the game page is blocked in my country. I can't even try!

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              https://www.gog.com/en/game/system_shock_demo

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Gog also does not give access to the demo, because I am a bad Russian. Fricking Poles

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                there's 100% a ruski warez site somewhere where you can grab the demo from

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Demo is pretty good, but its performance is all over the place. Not to mention how weird melee and ranged feels.

                >Fricking Poles
                Blame your own fricking gov, moron.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Blame your government or God.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                lol ruski jebany

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >pshe-pshe

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Immersive sim
          speaking of that, the demo was the first time in AGES i actually felt like im playing that genre again.

          neither dishonored or prey could actually give me that feeling
          i guess the genre really is dead when the only games being able to really scratch that itch are the old ones

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            What about performance? What are the system requirements?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              It ran fine maxed out on my 5600/6700 system
              and it looks great visually

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >hid organic breasts of original with machinery
              boooo cowards

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >the more they work on it the worse it will get

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            gee anon everyone knows games are best when released in early access

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >the more they work on it the worse it will get
            Nah that's the opposite of what happened with last demo they released. The quality went up, spectacularly so. I can't comment on the full game though, maybe kickstarter backers can comment better on that.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >It's so good look at this cutscene
              How about you show gameplay you moronic Black person or just watch a movie instead. Show how good it looks when you hit an enemy with a weapon

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Show how good it looks when you hit an enemy with a weapon
                I just played the demo and it looks good. What are you even talking about?

                Honestly I think it lost alot when it dropped the bright lighting and banging soundtrack.

                It used to be brighter? As said I just played the demo and the game is bright pretty much everywhere.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It looks good when you swing through enemies with no reaction? Or it looks good when everything glows blue

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >It looks good when you swing through enemies with no reaction?
                But they do react? What are you talking about?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >How about you show gameplay you moronic Black person
                Go play the demo you dumb Black person homosexual. It's not like you have to pay to experience that.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I did. There aren't hit reactions. All the steam discussions are about it. You are all actual evil golems to defend this kind of shit.
                I just don't understand what compels a person to say something is good when it is so clearly not alright.
                They are still trying to add hit reactions for melee after 7 years of dev, and the game is supposed to be out this month.
                I don't know what the frick else to say. This isn't opinion this is fact you can find on their fricking website. Zooms should die end of story frick off

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                And the devs have said they will improve the hit reactions, gee maybe that's why they delayed by 2 months but you didn't like that. You're so bitter because you dropped $30 on a kickstarter 6 years ago like a moron.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                What else will they improve for 2 months? Maybe a new cutscene? Maybe new door textures? Or a restored cut enemy, just 3 more months!
                Or you know what? Just change engines again. It's all for the best right? Game will only get better. Maybe if they develop it for 100 years it will be just that much better. Glad you are here on Ganker to be so fricking insightful about how time = better, even after so long already and so many red flags.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Maybe a new cutscene? Maybe new door textures? Or a restored cut enemy
                NTa but I'll take that sure.
                >Or you know what? Just change engines again. It's all for the best right? Game will only get better. Maybe if they develop it for 100 years it will be just that much better. Glad you are here on Ganker to be so fricking insightful about how time = better, even after so long already and so many red flags.
                lmao

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Dear bitter moron, you can literally complete the entire game and see credits right now, it is content complete. All it needs is bugfixes and final polish/balancing.

                All this whining and hyperbole serves is to show what a butthurt homosexual you are.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >You are all actual evil golems to defend this kind of shit.
                >I don't know what the frick else to say.
                >Zooms should die end of story frick off
                I'm paying for a hooker at this point. Please... have sex!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Have sex! Have sex! Have sex!
                I WANT SUCCUBI ROASTIES OFF MY GAME BOARD

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >You are all actual evil golems to defend this kind of shit.
                This is autism in it's purest form, i can just imagine your chubby pig face clenching up and going red. Yeah the melee needs work, I'm not saying it's perfect. I'm saying that drastic improve from the previous builds.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah imagine typing hyperbolically on the anonymous bait board. You're right I'm having a heart attack because I called you a mean name send help

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >ou're right I'm having a heart attack because I called you a mean name
                Sounds like you were getting a little too emotional to me mate. Just seemed a little characteristic of someone who is on spectrum is all.
                >Evil golem
                Shut up you fricking moron, Jesus Christ.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Shut up homosexual israelite nobody asked

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Shut up homosexual israelite nobody asked
                Oh so you're a brain dead /misc/tard as well. Good to know about the extra level of schizophrenia included.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Its literally one boomer having a melty itt
                We should be merciful.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I just don't understand what compels a person to say something is good when it is so clearly not alright.
                Your autism doesn't reflect how other people are thinking.
                You can stand on your soap box all day crying about how the game is shit because it didnt came out when you wanted it to, or how it doesnt have that thing that you so care about.

                People like you, who actually think they're in the right and stomp and kick all day screaming, about a fricking video game of all things, are the only thing thats wrong here.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                What's wrong with pointing out massive issues in things? It's like defending marvel movies, "oh you just don't like fun"
                It's dismissive. That's fine, but dont get on your own soap box and proclaim yourself better for not complaining.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >pointing out massive issues
                Your autism makes it into a massive issue. How red is your face right now when I tell you that I literally dont care? The melee in the demo wasnt the best melee i've ever played but it was sufficient enough.
                Choke on it boomer. Day 1.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I mean without flinging 7th grade insults, how is it not a massive issue? You end up engaging in a huge amount of melee combat throughout the game, it should have received some care and attention.
                They spent time redesigning cyberspace for example, but if the enemies were missing reactions in there I think people would point that out too.

                You could tell me that you are going to suck a turd directly from an ass day 1, that doesn't affect me. I am pointing things out in case someone with more discerning tastes than you happens to read the thread

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I mean without flinging 7th grade insults
                you've been doing that since entering the thread, why stop now?
                >I am pointing things out in case someone with more discerning tastes than you happens to read the thread
                ok boomer

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Ignores perfectly reasonable question about why it's not a massive issue
                rip bozo

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                NTa but his entire point was that combat feel wasn't an issue for him
                You asking him why its not an issue is moronic.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I mean without flinging 7th grade insults, how is it not a massive issue
                If you would've said that the combat feel isn't particularly good, instead of throwing a tantrum like a 2yo or 75yo for half the thread, people would probably agree with you.

                Calling everyone a Black person or a israelite for simply enjoying a game, is not the best way to get people to say "yes I agree." I know this is Ganker and you're probably here because you can't survive a week anywhere else without getting banned, but still, think.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I find that insane doomposting gets more engagement and then I lead into discussion slowly. Opening with a thoughtful response about a game kills threads these days. Please don't get personally offended when you see the nig or gay words they are meaningless I just want to talk about games and not trannies and shit for once

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That's Ganker for you.
                >I really like this despite some shortcomings
                will get zero replies.
                best or worst thing thing ever, or even better: just a screnshot with OH NO NO NO NO, and you got yourself replies

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah I'm not specifically (you) farming, but I think that getting people a little riled up keeps them checking the thread and maybe even replying more than once. I don't mean to sound even more crazy for this stance than when I was a spastic boomer, but people are talking critically about both the originals and the remake now even with a low unique poster number.
                I do think the SSR development has been troubled and looks like a fricking mess, but I'm also going to play the shit out of it and give it a fair shot. I think the cyberspace update is especially great but I hope there isn't too much of it to get annoying.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >You end up engaging in a huge amount of melee combat throughout the game,
                So the doomposters haven't played the original game? And no, one click deleting with the laser rapier is not melee combat.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I mean, when I click that one time with the laser rapier, I hope the enemy response is satisfying

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >but it was sufficient enough.
                My take as well.

                When I played the demo last night I already knew that someone on Ganker will definitely cry over the melee not feeling weighty enough and doompost that its the end of the world. And literally here we are.

                But to me it was serviceable. After 3-4 enemies it doesn't even matter anymore. We always want games to be the very best they can be, but "good enough" is good enough.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >yeah it's not very good but it's not the worst thing I've ever experienced so I'll put up with it for hours upon hours

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Not what I said.
                Misinterpreting things on purpose is a sign on mental illness.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              looks like absolute trash

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You fricking newbies don’t know a single thing about game development. I’ll spoonfeed you. If a game is delayed constantly it means the game had shit planning and the publisher is getting pissed, meaning they aren’t really seeing results so in their mind why bother delaying if you guys are barely gonna do anything anyway. It’s almost always a sign of a bad game

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >You fricking newbies don’t know a single thing about game development.
              we have something in common then 🙂

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >It’s almost always a sign of a bad game
              literally the opposite. most of the time they turn out well. the often delayed blunders are the exception

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Ahhh yes cyberpunk the great example of a multiple delayed game that turned out literally the opposite

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                oh we cherry picking now?
                resident evil 4 was delayed multiple times and literally had 3 different game versions before.

                lets do this, this'll be fun!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                But was RE4 announced before that final version was almost complete?

                Do GTA games count? They have insane dev cycles and likely miss internal deadlines but we never know about that stuff. I think it's when games are announced too early and have to go through massive changes and delays that the public is aware of that it becomes a bad sign

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >bad sign
                Literally a meme term tho, because all that matters is whether the final game is good or not.
                Bad signs or "red flags" during development mean nothing if the game is good.
                Thats why you never hear them after a release.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You don't hear about them after release if the game does turn out good. I think people will remember the cyberpunk release for a long time. I think something like ffxv came out feeling confused in its design and that could have been predicted from the delays

                Yeah red flags don't damn a product for sure, but it's a valid reason to be skeptical

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I think people will remember the cyberpunk release for a long time
                Cyberpunk was fine on PC tho. Consolecucks got the short end of the stick but that concerns me how?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I think the issues with cyberpunk went far beyond performance. I played it stable at release too but... I mean this is a discussion for another thread really. It had major balance and design flaws that you wouldn't normally expect from a game that had so long in the oven. Unless it was only in the oven because of public delays, then you might be able to intuit that something is troubling the development.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >fine on pc
                cope cdpshill

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I loved the anime that came out from cyberpunk being successful in sales and being able to throw money on a vanity project, so im conflicted.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >b-b-but someone made a youtube video
                O no how will I recover.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You will learn eventually after getting duped over and over, zoomie. Welcome, you’re never leaving.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                > after getting duped over and over
                yeah resident evil 4 was really crap innit lmao

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You were a little child when re4 came out. I doubt your parents even let you play games then

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Bold of you to assume that anon was even alive when the game first came out. Wonder what eceleb he learned about it from

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              wanna bet about it when System Shock is released next May? what are you gonna do when turns out the game is actually really great?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            name a game with this many delays that came out good.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Immersive sim is dead.
          What rock have you been under since 2004?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >the backers work is finished
        >But mine is only beginning

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The demo is about 20% of the game

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Wrath still isn't out
    >Graven still isn't out
    >Amid Evil expansion and Xbox versions still aren't out
    >Ion Fury Aftershock still isn't out
    >Agent 64 still isn't out
    >Kingpin Remastered still isn't out
    >Sin Remaster still isn't out

    How do these companies stay afloat not putting products out for 3+ years over schedule? This shit is unprecedented and literally wouldn't happen under normal publishers in the 90/00's but today it's common practice. Are the employees just scamming the companies for wages?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Publishers put out unreasonable release date and when they finally release the finished product isn't in a manageable state they need to push the release date. Gem developing takes way more time than it did back in the 90s.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Does the dlss option not work for anyone else?
    Its greyed out for me in the settings.

    Also, they really nailed the artstyle man. The blend of modern visuals and pixels actually works.
    First five minutes I thought I cant see shit because everything is blinking and brightly colored but after some moments its no issue anymore.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I wish 2 would get the remake treatment too instead of an enhanced edition.
    I mean it still holds up, but still, seeing what ND did with SS1 makes me wish they'd tackle 2 as well

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The new enemy models look great though

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    TWO MORE MONTHS BOYS

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Was Shodan a "woman" in SS1, i dont remember by now, but it think it wasn't.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Floppy version - No female pronouns
        Cd version - Dialogue refers to Shodan in female pronouns

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        shes a robot i think

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        shes a robot i think

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          i was but it got too scary

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I hope you get medicated soon for whatever mental disorder you have.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              sorry you couldn't get immersed into the deep and rich world of system shock 1

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Not the anon, and he's probably memeing.
              But I recommended the demo to multiple people that legitimately refused because they dont like scary games.

              Even though I keep telling them that SS1 or 2 for that matter, arent actually very scary. People think they were scary because they played them when they were like 12yo originally is all.

              I mean I shat myself playing SS2 for the first time as a teen but from an adult perspective, especially after having played "proper" horror games, SS2 isnt close to being scary.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                To me SS is about eerie atmosphere. The most straight horror it has is in the audio logs and world decoration. Even the bioshock games leaned into horror harder

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yea I agree. Which is the atmosphere its supposed to have given the context of the setting and story.

                Btw, speaking of audio logs. How come nobody gets it right except SS?
                Playing the demo instantly reminded me how audio logs are supposed to be. Not that derivative slice of life "my lesbian relationship troubles" or "lets play DnD!" crap they put into all games these days.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                SS has the best audio logs of any games ever made. Everyone always thinks of the "made of worms" one and the shotgun massacre tape, but I think every single one has a ton of great world building and context for why it was recorded. Nothing feels like raw exposition for the sake of it and I appreciate that it respects the players intelligence that way

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Nothing feels like raw exposition for the sake of it and I appreciate that it respects the players intelligence that way
                Ye thats what I mean.

                I last played SS2 when it came out, and I still remember some of its audio logs vividly in terms of how haunting and, in relation to modern game audiologs, how on point they were.

                They didnt waste time and anything they told you was something relevant. Even the "side story" about two people escaping the ship, told throughout various audiologs, isnt simply a side story, but directly factors into a cutscene.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Whenever I see a thread about this I feel it's necessary to say something.
    My dad backed this on Kickstarter over a decade ago because he loved the SS games and showed them to me as a kid.
    They delay and delay the project, taking more donations the whole time, change game engines, miss deadlines, update the demo a few times, miss deadlines
    And my pops dies. He won't get to see this stupid fricking thing he wanted to play because incompetent liars didn't bother to finish the product on time. It's a Kickstarter scam and the Black folk who make it should go to jail. Just pirate it if you aren't a massive moronic cuck who let's indie devs walk all over you
    And call the devs whatever you fricking want but leave the word competent out of your mouth when you do it

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Stop making shit up

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What part is made up
        Devs are c**ts that's a fact. All this time developing it and there's still no feedback for melee combat. They said they "are working on adding it based on demo feedback".
        What did they do for all these years then?
        Where did the millions of dollars go? Certainly not to writers and voice actors since all that shit was done 25 years ago.

        They are Black folk plain and simple

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Where did the millions of dollars go?

          How much is a game developer paid monthly? How many people worked on the game? How many years did they work on it?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >How many years did they work on it
            And that's exactly the point isn't it? The dev time is unacceptable considering the state of the product. They dragged their feet, redesigned sections entirely, switches engines for no real reason, and for what?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >They dragged their feet,
              *developed the game
              >redesigned sections entirely,
              because it benefits the game
              >switches engines for no real reason,
              because it looks and runs better
              >and for what?
              to make the game better

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Why would you lick boot like this? You don't know these people or owe them anything. The development has been troubled to say the least, and pretending otherwise would be silly. Look at any discussion about the game, anywhere online and you will see cautionary tales like this. They burned a lot of good will over the years

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Why would you lick boot like this?
                >They burned a lot of good will over the years
                I'm still baffled at someone being this emotionally invested over a game coming out 2months later.
                Please, have sexual intercourse.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >2 months
                It's 5 years late you fricking mong they literally said it would be out in 2018 originally

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                and given how it looks and plays, that was a good use of the time.

                You dumbass Black person, explain how redesigning the entire games visuals twice is a good use of time and money and not just a massive mismanagement
                You think that's normal for development? You suck wiener for free Black person don't get aids on anyone when you speak your moronic nonsense

                lmao. ok boomer

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                How does it play? Show the combat.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              How many years did the kickstarter backer's money cover? (1.3 million USD)

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Acishually it's only been 7 years to remake a fully voiced and written game
              Yeah I bet they really needed to scrap all their work halfway through too, TWICE. I'm sure that was a very very good use of time and resources for development

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Tell me you have no idea how development works, without telling me.
                Actually, you've been telling us the entire time, thats kinda the joke. Thought I'd point this out beforehand.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You dumbass Black person, explain how redesigning the entire games visuals twice is a good use of time and money and not just a massive mismanagement
                You think that's normal for development? You suck wiener for free Black person don't get aids on anyone when you speak your moronic nonsense

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                >It's so good look at this cutscene
                How about you show gameplay you moronic Black person or just watch a movie instead. Show how good it looks when you hit an enemy with a weapon

                Whenever I see a thread about this I feel it's necessary to say something.
                My dad backed this on Kickstarter over a decade ago because he loved the SS games and showed them to me as a kid.
                They delay and delay the project, taking more donations the whole time, change game engines, miss deadlines, update the demo a few times, miss deadlines
                And my pops dies. He won't get to see this stupid fricking thing he wanted to play because incompetent liars didn't bother to finish the product on time. It's a Kickstarter scam and the Black folk who make it should go to jail. Just pirate it if you aren't a massive moronic cuck who let's indie devs walk all over you
                And call the devs whatever you fricking want but leave the word competent out of your mouth when you do it

                What part is made up
                Devs are c**ts that's a fact. All this time developing it and there's still no feedback for melee combat. They said they "are working on adding it based on demo feedback".
                What did they do for all these years then?
                Where did the millions of dollars go? Certainly not to writers and voice actors since all that shit was done 25 years ago.

                They are Black folk plain and simple

                This is just sad to see.
                I learned about the game existing like yesterday.
                Sucks to be you.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I am 12
                Cool frick off if you have nothing to say

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I have to say that the demo was amazing and that I already pre-ordered the game.
                Looking forward to may.
                Stay mad is what I have to say.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >switches engines for no real reason, and for what?
              Are you seriously telling people that switching from UNITY of all engines to Unreal needs an explanation and is without reason?

              Because homie u dumb as FRICK if you think any game EVER should use Unity. I feel genuinely sorry for the devs if they have to deal with clueless boomers like you in the forums all day.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think the new demo looks dramatically better than the original unity one. It's artistically different but whether it's better is purely a matter of preference.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >looks
                I dont think looks are the issue with Unity anon. More like the engine being utter garbage and if it released on Unity, 90% of the forums would complain about performance issues.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The unity demo ran better than this one though? I'm not fricking around, I don't think system shock is such an intensive script heavy game that unity wouldn't be able to handle the remake. What are the actual benefits that the game is using from unreal? Not the networking capabilities because it's single player. Not the unreal store for assets or blueprints (I hope). Is the shader caching going to be a huge help? Maybe for the RTX they want to implement or something?
                Like really I don't see why they bothered when unity would have served the project scope just fine

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                the unreal demo ran smoother on my toaster but that's probably because it had adjustable graphics options which the unity version lacked so that effects couldn't be turned off. also the unfiltered textures in ue version

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Like really I don't see why they bothered when unity would have served the project scope just fine
                yeah it's pretty bizarre. the devs also had no experience with unreal, so they had to simplify some stuff even further.
                but doesn't really matter, it looked and still looks and plays like trash cashgrab that it is.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >What part is made up
          All of it.
          Kickstarter is like six years old, so the development is pretty much five years in the making, which is normal given the scope of the game and the fact that Nightdive is like 40(at this point in time), in two teams.
          They didnt miss deadlines, as there is no such thing.
          Your pops didnt die. You never had a dad. You slithered out of the abortion bucket.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >They dragged their feet,
            *developed the game
            >redesigned sections entirely,
            because it benefits the game
            >switches engines for no real reason,
            because it looks and runs better
            >and for what?
            to make the game better

            Stephen, please show more door concept art. Please, the fans all want it.
            The extra dev time spent on a sequence of the game that last less than 10 secs was a smart move

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Stephen here, DM me on twitter and I'll send some concept art your way

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This!
      That's why I'm skeptical about this project. Each postponement of the release date is a hint that lazy scammers are engaged in the project. How many years have passed since the announcement? And enough of this nonsense about a small indie studio that doesn't even have money for stale pizza. Their investor is Tencent

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What part is made up
      Devs are c**ts that's a fact. All this time developing it and there's still no feedback for melee combat. They said they "are working on adding it based on demo feedback".
      What did they do for all these years then?
      Where did the millions of dollars go? Certainly not to writers and voice actors since all that shit was done 25 years ago.

      They are Black folk plain and simple

      >being this butthurt over your virtual toy not coming out on time
      you really need sex

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Being this excited about companies taking advantage of people
        Shalom!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What part is made up
      Devs are c**ts that's a fact. All this time developing it and there's still no feedback for melee combat. They said they "are working on adding it based on demo feedback".
      What did they do for all these years then?
      Where did the millions of dollars go? Certainly not to writers and voice actors since all that shit was done 25 years ago.

      They are Black folk plain and simple

      This!
      That's why I'm skeptical about this project. Each postponement of the release date is a hint that lazy scammers are engaged in the project. How many years have passed since the announcement? And enough of this nonsense about a small indie studio that doesn't even have money for stale pizza. Their investor is Tencent

      This is some real boomer shit.
      Getting "old man making a stink at the cash register because his voucher he used at the supermarket that used to be in this place 30years ago doesnt work here" vibes

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If your mom was raped but you got a Fortnite skin, you would cheer

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I hear you, bro. I pre-ordered it just now to honor your dad.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    No that was SS3.

    Whenever I see a thread about this I feel it's necessary to say something.
    My dad backed this on Kickstarter over a decade ago because he loved the SS games and showed them to me as a kid.
    They delay and delay the project, taking more donations the whole time, change game engines, miss deadlines, update the demo a few times, miss deadlines
    And my pops dies. He won't get to see this stupid fricking thing he wanted to play because incompetent liars didn't bother to finish the product on time. It's a Kickstarter scam and the Black folk who make it should go to jail. Just pirate it if you aren't a massive moronic cuck who let's indie devs walk all over you
    And call the devs whatever you fricking want but leave the word competent out of your mouth when you do it

    >My dad backed this on Kickstarter over a decade ago
    israelitestarter went live not even seven years ago you moron.

    Maybe your dad should've manned the frick up and not die like a b***h.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Cant wait to see how much cut content it has

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No pointless minigames

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        But it has the internet 6dof surfing stuff. And it looks amazing too

      • 1 year ago
        NightDive CEO

        Listen chud. This game is serious horror now, like System Shock 2. We don't need cringe kiddie elements like that, which is why we muted all the out of place music.
        Just look at System Shock 2 (The best game ever btw)
        It has no music and no cringe mini games. I always repl- I mean rewatch a lets play of it monthly

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          cringe

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          stupid troll you clearly have no idea about system shock 2 all you said is false

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            and yet you replied

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The devs for this are everything but competent, but clearly theyre at least not as technologically challenged as the average modern pajeet "dev". Im even almost willing to praise them for refusing to release something half baked or broken no matter how many delays it takes but their pathetically amateurish handling of the situation is what makes them look like a scammer and a joke

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yea it was great but its to be expected from Night Dive.

    After all, the studio themselves are literally SS2 modders that banded together to make SS2 more playable on modern systems.
    I didn't back it because lol@kickstarter, but I followed the development closely. And each demo update has been great. They put so much work into animations and details, if the demo is anything to go by, then this remake of a game from 1994 will be the most soulful think in ages.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      SO much lamer than the original... No music, no SHodan narration that breaks down as you hack her....

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly I think it lost alot when it dropped the bright lighting and banging soundtrack.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    For those that can't be arsed playing the demo

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      why would I watch a video of a literal who when I can just play the demo myself?
      what zoomer nonsense is this?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What did I say before the link?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Not even a longplay video
      Very homosexual

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >try enhanced edition a couple of years ago
    >enjoy it, but was just on the onset of an illness so I wasn't in the best place mentally to keep up with the hud and map design so I decided to shelve it until I get better
    >still haven't gotten better or picked the game back up
    music was sick as frick though.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >50 medical demos, all missing content
    >Multiple delays
    Blunder of the century, boys

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The average remakegay won’t have played SS1 or SSEE, probably because they see both as unplayably dated.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I just laugh thinking the average remakegay here, probably calls people zoomer for being "filtered" by a game from the early to mid 2000s

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          SS1 came out 1994 and i played it on my 486 DX2-66Mhz.
          Feels bad to be old

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    frick off israelitedive shill. you should never have changed engines because the unity demo still looks better than what you're putting out now.

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    631016675
    >Kickstarter is like six years old

    you are underage and should not be on this site.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      NTA but the kickstarter went live summer '16.

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Kickstarter Backer here. Mechanically it's very fun, unfortunately because it's still using the level design of a 30 year old game the levels themselves are very boring and feel very samey.

    Like if you ever dreamed of a Doom remake that would just be Doom 1/2 with shiny graphics this is what it feels like although obviously the combat is totally different from the OG Dos game. Still this is a niche release.

    I'd say it's a 7/10 as it stands. If you liked the medical demo then you're gonna like this but don't think this is going to be the god tier of Immersive Sims. It's not Thief, System Shock 2, or Deus Ex.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >but don't think this is going to be the god tier of Immersive Sims.
      Well SS1 wasnt that either, so duh.

      I disagree on the level design tho. Old style level design is simply the goat.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I get where you're coming from and yes it's unfair for me to say "Well this isn't anything like the games that came a decade later," It is a remake, rebuilding a classic on a entirely new frame.

        Still I was kinda hoping Night Dive would add in some new lore to give Citadel Station some more storytelling depth. Kinda like what System Shock 2 was pulling with developing Polito and Diego's son as characters who you kinda get to know albeit they're long dead when The Soldier does his thing. Or how Resident Evil 1 Remake just added so much to the lore and story.

        What's wrong with pointing out massive issues in things? It's like defending marvel movies, "oh you just don't like fun"
        It's dismissive. That's fine, but dont get on your own soap box and proclaim yourself better for not complaining.

        BTW take my word with a grain of salt since I hardly played the Demo, but I think the hit feedback on the enemies is FAR BETTER in the current beta. I can't back this up with any proof and really it doesn't matter since you're going to be waiting to play the game no matter what. But I think Night Dive fixed it and now hitting the enemies feels very good. My favorite moments in the beta is just pulling off a clean kill on a goon and seeing these robot/cyborg things fall apart. It's very satisfying to kill shit.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The part that concerns me is that after such a long time developing this game, they didn't see that as an issue at all. Yet within hours of letting people play it, it's a primary complaint. Then, they are able to fix it within weeks for the closed beta. If it's so easy, how did it take 7 years and hundreds of complaints? How is it STILL being delayed? Those are the red flags.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I suspect that Stephen Kick (CEO of Nightdive) is either a giant trustfund baby or a Bitcoin billionaire. Fricking dude doesn't remotely look or act like he's near 40 and has been running a studio that's been able to pull abandonware out of legal limbo. My point is yeah Nightdive is pretty fricking inept they're only laudable in that they actually give a shit in getting old ass windows games to work on modern hardware as opposed to GOG who will sell you games that run like utter shit.. Look at how botched the rerelease for Blood was or how even mainstream games journalists lambasted their rerelease of Westwood's Blade Runner. But anyway yeah the fact that this game should have been out at least 3 years ago shows how poorly managed they are. Still after 6 years they've made a pretty solid game and no one was ever going to remake System Shock 1. I'm only on the 3rd Level of the Remake but I'm happy.

            No you're not unfair.
            I'm just saying that SS1 wasnt an immersive sim classic anyway.
            Its a predecessor to one of the GOATs, is all.

            Yeah I wouldn't even call System Shock Remake an immersive sim, it's just that the company that made it defined the genre. Frankly I just like games where I kinda get lost in a maze and have to figure out what I'm supposed to do. That feeling good Doom levels have. System Shock Remake delivers on that.

            I just hope people aren't fooled into thinking that this game is more than it is, it's for Boomers. And real Boomers I wouldn't conflate this shit something like Dusk.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >I just hope people aren't fooled into thinking that this game is more than it is,
              Doubt it. Given that immersive sim these days, means Dishonored, Prey and Bioshock, evne zoomers thinking its gonna be the ultimate immersive sim, will get their fill.

              The level design alone puts it above those.
              Get ready for 100 threads of people crying over being attacked by the ranged cyborgs without ways of fighting back, because they haven't found the pistol or tazer yet

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah but it's a totally different type of player fantasy:
                >Boomer Shooter
                You're fricking Neo/John Wick and you get to bounce off everything and just frick all these guys up.
                >System Shock/Thief/The First Half of Deus Ex
                You're a basic b***h and you better think carefully of what you do next or the enemy is going to murder you in seconds

                I'm 100% of this if you give a normalgay who liked Dishonored this remake much less the original version they'd find themselves bored to tears.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          No you're not unfair.
          I'm just saying that SS1 wasnt an immersive sim classic anyway.
          Its a predecessor to one of the GOATs, is all.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      thank you backer

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Original Shock 1 dev time vs the Remake's

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      system shock remake enhanced edition will fix it

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      the animations and icons are already top tier
      cant wait

      • 1 year ago
        NightDive CEO

        Thank you, we cut a few enemies, weapons, and mechanics to make time for them

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          cringe

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          What enemies, weapons and mechanics were cut?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            From the most recent public demo. Still no Tranq gun, Cyborg Warrior still mysteriously absent despite being shown (Avian mutant was on the cutting board too), no more ledge vaulting and hacker's nerfed momentum

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >From the most recent public demo
              >demo
              Nevermind

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                37 medical floor demos, but they'll probably add them in the 40th

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              There is ledge vaulting (crouch+jump).
              There's several parts where you can fall down and get stuck if you don't know about it.

              Avian mutant is there

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Is this imsim gays complaining about the picking up animations again? lol. They still pretend this is fricking matters. That's not why Thi4f sucked ass, It's everything else that was shit. And it's still not a game design decision that matters.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It's always just downright bizarre how when someone points out that these needless, annoying hand animations that kill pacing are, in fact, not good, you get morons coming out of the woodworks just FUMING. They get so furious and defensive over it and I don't know why. Did you make these hand animations or something? How can you get this defensive over something so obviously bad?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          yes, you're totally the cool headed person itt, sperging out over actual animations´existing.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            NTA but he sounds way calmer than you

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              NTA but he sounds really cool actually and I think he has a big penis

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Why would I give money to people who hate me and mine? You wouldn't buy a game made by right-wingers, correct?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              based /misc/ schizo replying to literally anyone now

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Forgive me, this was meant for

                >~~*system shock))
                This shouldn't be a problem to anyone except for neo nazi scumbags like yourself. I haven't seen them inject politics into their game.

                which I assume is you, troony.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Public demo has three audio logs in a row that replay the same grab animation
          Pretty sure most games with this skip the animation after the 1st one too

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Original Shock 1 dev time vs the Remake's

          100% bait.
          Nobody can actually this butthurt over proper animations being in the game.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Nobody was butthurt about the animation being included, they were butthurt about them playing every time you picked up items and being unskippable. Also applying items, that shit changed the pace of combat. I don't even know if they have committed to doing the "only play on first pickup/use" yet.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >they were butthurt about them playing every time you picked up items and being unskippable.
              o no. not pick up animations. anything but that!! not my hecking 2 secorinos!
              oh god I hate animations so much bros. one click and its in your inventory was so much better. i hate immersion reminding me that I have arms and legs
              >this but unironically
              I KNOW RIGHT

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >they
              One schizophrenic who's been crying half the thread about irrelevant shit, and who only left the thread to grab shitty /misc/ bait is not an argument.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I am literally the schizophrenic shit poster and I'm telling you that I have never seen anyone say that the animation itself is bad, just that it plays too much and gets annoying. And using items in combat is an actual gameplay change when it stops you from doing other actions temporarily
                What I have seen is people complain that the expanded intro is a bad thing, which I don't really feel strongly about either way. I doubt it was "wasted dev time" or whatever because it's not like the animators that worked on it were neglecting things like combat tuning to get it done

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I
                Stopped reading there.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >And using items in combat is an actual gameplay change when it stops you from doing other actions temporarily
                Ganker when a remake makes things quicker: NOOOO THE LONG DELAY WAS MAKING IT MORE IMMERSIVE ITS DUMBED DOWN FOR CASUALS NOW
                Ganker when a remake makes things slower: NOOOO THE INSTAHEAL WAS PART OF THE SOUL ITS DUMBED DOWN FOR CINEMATIC MARVEL FANS NOW

                yada yada bla bla you're a huge homosexual and have no point other than change=bad, regardless of quality

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >about them playing every time you picked up items and being unskippable

              Yeah but you see they don't play every time you pick up items. Maybe that's why you're moronic.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >playing every time you picked up items
              But they don't?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Plays for every audio log

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                a shorter version though, only first time it plays a long pickup animation

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Kickstarter betagay here, I won't seeing the same animations over and over does feel dumb but uey only really happne outside of te chscenes.

          I'm starting to fall sleep I can't even fix the sentence above. Have a goof nights fellas.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >It's always just downright bizarre how when someone points out that these needless, annoying hand animations that kill pacing are, in fact, not good,
          But the animations are, in fact, good. Isn't that your issue with them to begin with?
          >that kill pacing
          >pacing
          >in an immersive sim
          Yeah I'm sure there's thousands of players who will alt+F4 when they have to endure 5 seconds of animation at the beginning of the game

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I like it. Most people do as well. You're irrelevant.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          yeah you really need a faster pace in literally the first minute of the game that's a tutorial...

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          These threads constantly prove you correct.
          I have no idea how anyone can defend this.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            probably financial and emotional investment. cognitive dissonance feels bad

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I'm an imsim gay and no we don't do that. That's just that one guy randomly shuffling his deck to find anything to b***h about, and this time he simply landed on "animations during the game's introduction".

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >STOP BEING IMMERSIVE IN MY IMMERSION SIM

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >yet another delay
    It’s gonna be trash

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >the more they work on it the worse it will get

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I just can't stand the art style of this remake. It's too fricking busy.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >It's too fricking busy.
      I thought that too at first but I got used to it really quickly and now I love it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The thing is that it doesn't look busy in the sense that it's "lived in," it looks busy like they wanted every screenshot to kind of... I don't know. If I was to put it in meme terms it would be that seeing comparisons between the original and the remake makes me think of the "Nintendo hire this man" thing.
        Like they wanted to blow everyone away with "how far we've come."

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          No I know what you mean. It literally looks "busy busy". Every wall has blinking lights etc. First moments I thought to myself that I can't even differentiate pick ups from just random tilesets. But I got used to it pretty quickly and ngl, by the end of the demo I was really in love with the visuals

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          They greebled it up

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeble

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I think part of it is they went overboard with the lighting. The game has light switches that barely do anything and are only there because the original had them. Everything has that "greebled" look to it, like an AI busied up the textures to look more sci Fi.
          I don't hate the new look but I completely know what you mean with your vague complaints. It's a hard thing to fully explain, but I think I'm on the same page

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah. It doesn't look (for lack of a better word) "real." I can understand it looking like this in terms of construction, but you're telling me that they wouldn't put some panels over all of that?
            It's hard to really explain. It looks like a tech demo or a show-off. And I can't get used to that because I'll always be somewhat aware of that.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              There was something very "lived in" about the originals to me. Maybe it was helped by the lower fidelity letting my imagination fill the gaps, but the locations in the old games just felt so tangible. Like I could imagine engineers going about their business in the halls, hanging out in break rooms, etc
              Contrasting that, the remake feels like a movie set to me. I can't imagine these spaces being lived in and not apocalyptic in the same way. I still think they look cool and function well as a Vidya level, but something feels more uncanny about it this time around and I haven't quite pinpointed why

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I know what you mean, and I think I feel the same way. It's kind of like Alien. Yeah, there was a lot of "horror" locations, but all the places people lived in and spent their time looked like normal places. It'd be like if The Thing looked like the basement of Texas Chainsaw Massacre or something. Sometimes going "ultra normal" can actually be scarier in a horror game.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >I just can't stand the art style of this remake
      Remember when they got rid of the pixelated 'retro' style graphics on a demo for the kickstarter backer until the backers complained? you can't win with the people demanding what they wanted. They wanted this in the game opposed to going more detailed. So if they were to do something more modern then there would have been backlash over it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I love the artstyle and I think the mesh between old and new works perfectly.
        But thinking thre's a israelitestarter backer out there somewhere going "I made this happen" makes me cringe beyond belief.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >But thinking thre's a israelitestarter backer out there somewhere going "I made this happen" makes me cringe beyond belief.
          You didn't follow any of the development then you fricking moron. Because it was a controversy back at the time. The kind of controversy of 'i backed this game and now I'm not getting it'

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >You didn't follow any of the development then you fricking moron
            >following development of a game
            lmao what a cuckold thing to do, only setting yourself up for unnecessary anger.
            you want until the game is out. is it good? get it. is it shit? laugh.
            simple as.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >lmao what a cuckold thing to do,
              Yeah, following something is usually associated with crowd funded games. Because AAA development aren't making them.

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Hear what went wrong with this project from Stephen Kick himself

    ?t=289

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Oy gevalt, can't wait to buy this game, am I right fellow gamers?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >~~*system shock))
      This shouldn't be a problem to anyone except for neo nazi scumbags like yourself. I haven't seen them inject politics into their game.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This post convinced me to pre-order 3 copies.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        2 shekels have been added to your account, generic shil #13536648.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Will just pirate it

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >the /misc/ schizo is back

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Funny thing is, the animations wouldn't even register to me as anything worth pointing out. Literally a complete and utter non issue.

      The fact that you even made a webm like this, really shows how terrible Ganker is in terms of crying over nothing.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Looks like a tech demo.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It literally is a demo

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    SS1 should never have been remade. the limiations of mid 90s hardware is what made it unique, there was never another game like it. in a modern engine it's just a modern game like SS2 but with a bizzarre level design. and it's clearly targeted at SS2 fans

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Congratulations on the dumbest post in the thread. I concede.
      I didn't know this was "low IQ brainlets getting attached to the first games they played" general. I apologize.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Remaking it to fix the overpowered hitscan enemies and lean abuse, maybe make some of the meme weapons and grenades a bit more useful, sounds pretty good

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Dude this game came out like 30 years ago

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Played the demo and utterly fell in love with it.
    Bit surprised by this thread screeching over random things I didnt even think about(animations? come on Ganker...) but that's par for the course.

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Everything about this remake makes me imagine it was designed with streamers and youtube in mind.
    >A thirty year old game looks like THIS now?!?! | System Shock Remake

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      nightdive studios make a lot of remakes/remasters of good games of that era, often forgotten ones so they are probably passionate about it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I would wager that the only reason most of those people on Ganker who have played System Shock only have done so because of the enhanced edition.

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Pathecic creatures of meat and bone, cuh

    Panting and sweating while they fap to her corridors

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      D-d-don’t peek at me.

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    A hard thing to deal with when it comes to remaking System Shock is that the original had no delay to anything you did. You can instantly reload or use health items. But that is balanced by you having to go with the mouse and dig through your inventory or press the reload button manually. So how do you balance this if you abandon the mouse thing.
    Though it is interesting I haven't seen anyone complain that the reload has animation and delay but they do complain about the medpatch.

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