I know this isn't the worst game in the franchise, but frick if it's not the one I hate the most.

I know this isn't the worst game in the franchise, but frick if it's not the one I hate the most.
>after the two Adventure games did well, Sonic Team decides it's time to reinvent the wheel
>makes every level a ridiculous bloated mess where some take upwards of 8 minutes for no reason
>entire levels of nothing but rails over bottomless pits
>random-ass bobsled parts that function totally differently from the rest of the game, get hit 3 times and you die
>need to play the game four times through for the last story, but three of the playthroughs are just different difficulties
And to top it all off, getting away from Heroes is a b***h. Seaside Hill was getting spammed everywhere for years, and Heroes is straight up the last time a third of its cast was ever playable. Man, frick this game.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This was the first game I replayed where I went through the whole "game you liked as a kid, but hate as an adult"

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i hate it because it was the first game i bought with my own money, at full price, and i forced myself to play through it because of it.
    we went from genesis to ps1 to PS2 so i hadn't played any sonic games since 3&K. i had seen adventure and heard nothing but praise for it in gaming mags earlier, and thought it looked awesome and surely heroes would be too? lolnope. thx for the 50 bucks, kid

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone hated the fact the friends levels played differently.
      Everyone wanted it to be more like retro based genesis presentation after the two adventure games (I dunno why either).
      Everyone wanted longer fast paced levels.
      So they literally made longer fast paced levels.

      Did you play the PS2 one? That's why you hate it, that version isn't worth playing.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >i hate it because it was the first game i bought with my own money, at full price, and i forced myself to play through it because of it.

      Dude I had the same exact story. Bought mine for GameCube with my precious 50 dollars I had saved up. It was so bad it put me off of paying full price for games still 20 years later.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >i hate it because it was the first game i bought with my own money, at full price, and i forced myself to play through it because of it.

      Dude I had the same exact story. Bought mine for GameCube with my precious 50 dollars I had saved up. It was so bad it put me off of paying full price for games still 20 years later.

      Are you all me?

      Everyone hated the fact the friends levels played differently.
      Everyone wanted it to be more like retro based genesis presentation after the two adventure games (I dunno why either).
      Everyone wanted longer fast paced levels.
      So they literally made longer fast paced levels.

      Did you play the PS2 one? That's why you hate it, that version isn't worth playing.

      >Did you play the ps2 one? That's why you hate it, that version isn't worth playing.
      I had the PS2 version, I didn't hate it though. Just felt a bit hard for some levels(that fricking casino).

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Heroes was THE game that taught me as a child that just because a game I liked was good, does not mean that games in the same series would automatically be good.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. I remember when I first played this game I was astonished it was part of the same franchise as Adventure 2: Battle. I have never liked Heroes.
      This all happened when I was 8, btw. Even back then I thought it was trash.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It only had a year of dev time. Maybe it could have been decent with just a bit more. SA2 had about 18 months iirc.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i got this game for one of my birthdays and had to pretend to like it in front of friends + family and never forgave it for that

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the two Adventure games did well, Sonic Team decides it's time to reinvent the wheel
    The Adventure games got a lot of criticism though. Rightfully so, since they're shit. Heroes was even worse, though.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's kino.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah it basically said "what if we take the different playstyles and force EVERY level to be about all of the styles!"
    Annoying as shit because the good stuff isn't just self contained it is crammed in with garbage.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They should have done it like Donkey Kong Country where you can choose what playstyle you want at any time, but make it possible to clear the levels no matter what playstyle you choose.

      Ages ago I made this illustration to show how you could have every character being able to clear all obstacles, but while maintaining the theme of having cooperation and teamwork being great.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The worst thing about this post is that, despite replaying SA1/2 a ton, I never realized this before now. The game needs to justify its team mechanics by littering each stage with gimmicks that generally MUST be engaged with.

      In SA2, hourglasses are a gimmick in Death Chamber and Pyramid Cave. They open doors after you hit them.
      In Heroes, hourglasses would need you to use the tornado jump to flip them, so only your speed character could do it. And they'd be in almost every level.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its one of the best with the best ost

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SA2 was a crazy fricking game, I get wanting to take a step back from the government killings and the angst

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s weird how much you Sonicgays hate this particular game in a series with more trash games than good ones despite Heroes being the only 3D game that even attempted to capture the tone of the original games

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Oh my God is that a checkerboard pattern?
      >Holy shit it's just like the genesis games!
      I wish I could hate you to death

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Frick off, Adventure 2 was about as far as you could get from the originals in terms of aesthetics and it managed to be a great game. Frick, I think the mech stages are more accurate to Genesis-style levels than what Heroes has anyways, with its bloated long-ass levels loaded with a dozen gimmicks each.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Adventure 1 is much closer to the genesis games, it feels like a natural progression
        Hereos was specifically made to appeal to a younger audience which is why they constantly yap about teamwork and friendship

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because the only people that shit on it are Adventumorons and the classicgays that feel betrayed that, yes, a real attempt to make modern Sonic classic Sonic was wasted by not also copying over the fricking gameplay, the entire appeal of classic Sonic at all. It's like making a cake with zero filling, it's literally just a shell of icing on top that falls apart the second you touch it.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's zoomer kino. Only people who can't let go of the Genesis era hate it.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >some take upwards of 8 minutes
    Isn't team dark's version of mystic mansion close to 20 minutes?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're probably thinking of eggmanland in unleashed.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wrong, that's on average 60 fricking mins. 1. Fricking. Hour. To get a B rank.
        30 mins is the expected time for a A rank. Minimum.

        He's right, Team Dark naturally takes 10+20 mins per zone the further into the game you go.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    as my first 3d sonic game i loved it. a lot of good memories with this game. soundtrack is nostalgic as hell.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Heroes has 10/10 music and art style

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >where some take upwards of 8 minutes for no reason
    I can't think of a single level I Heroes that takes 8 minutes

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >getting away from Heroes is a b***h
    They still reuse the art style and did so only 4 months ago with Dream Team.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hated this shit too, I was high off of sonic adventure 2, purchased it on release, and was instantly disappointed. god the trio mechanic fricking ruined this fricking game.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I could never hate my first Sonic game

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >all these people liked fricking Sonic Adventure 2 more than Heroes
    I hope you're all just trolling.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >liked SADX as a kid
    >didn't like SA2B
    >never bothered with most of the other 3D sonic games
    so which ones are actually worth playing?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Generations, Frontiers, maybe Project 06.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Generations, though large chunks of it are 2D. That's about it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Generations
      Unleashed Day stages (Generations mod is fine)
      P-06
      Colors (Not Ultimate)
      Heroes is not too bad I think but if you're gonna play it, get a 100% save file then do this play order: Team Sonic -> Team Dark -> Last Story -> Super hard
      If you liked what you played after doing all that then do team chaotix

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's already been said twice but it bears repeating: Sonic Generations. Even then half of the levels aren't that good but the ones that are good feel great.
      Also Heroes was my first 3D Sonic game after playing some of the Genesis ones and while it's not perfect I enjoyed it more than the Adventure games. Shadow the Hedgehog was my favorite 3D game in the series as a kid and I'll maintain it plays slightly better than Adventure.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if this is the game you hate the most you probably haven't played most of the ones that came after or in recent years lil homie

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Heroes isn’t worse than 06 or Forces or whatever, I just hate it more for being such a giant drop in quality from the Adventure games.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's the game where Sonic crossed the point of no return. They never reached SA2's level of quality again and it's not like SA2 was a masterpiece in the first place.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm glad Heroes is finally getting the hate it deserves

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Heroes is fine though.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the soundtrack is great, a continuation of the Adventure style. the idea of having the characters team up is cool too. but the actual game is just not fun and it's also hard to control.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Some of the stages were pretty fun, and I like the sheer number of characters. It was possible to gofast, though I will admit that some of the later stages really force you to slow down and fight, which I didn't like. Bosses were HP sponges and generally lame to fight as well.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Bosses were HP sponges and generally lame to fight as well.
      Tell me about it. I've been on a Sonic kick lately and I just did Egg Albatross.
      >Genesis bosses mostly need 8 hits to beat, CD's need far fewer and there are a few that need more
      >Adventure bosses average around 3-4 hits, with the final bosses taking 6
      >Egg Albatross has 105 HP split across three phases

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just wait until you reach Egg Emperor. It's grueling.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I only ever was able to beat it using a Thunder Shoot trick where you rush level 3 then do crazy shit with the control stick. Never once beat it regularly.

          What world am I living in where shit on Heroes yet praise 06?

          One was the followup to SA2, the other was the followup to Shadow.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Agreed on SA2. Hell, getting all 180 emblems in it gave me a new appreciation for it, to where I’d say it’s a 9 or 10/10.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What world am I living in where shit on Heroes yet praise 06?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People have replaced the real Sonic 06 in their mind with Project 06. And since Project 06 is good they think that means Sonic 06 was good too.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sonic isn't praised for quality, but "what I think Sonic SHOULD be like".
      That's the blackpilling, Sonictards are autistic furries with zero standards. Heroes is still shit because of it's gameplay, but Sonicgays hate it for it's tonal dissonance from the Adventure tone.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All the Takashi Iizuka games from 1998-2007.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      As you can see, Iizuka didn't work on 06 and Secret Rings.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Heroes is the only time sonic felt epic and I enjoyed playing the other character groups

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It is pretty crazy that Sonic Heroes did a much better job being a globe trotting adventure with doomsday on the clock than Sonic World Adventure

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    First 4 levels are absolutely the best level design in the Sonic franchise. It's such a shame the following levels are so bad that it ruins Heroes as a whole.

    Bingo Highway could have been the single best level in any Sonic game but the controls are so fricked it absolutely ruins the stellar concept and level design. I'm still mad almost 20 years later.

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SHIT ROCK

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      NYYUUUHH

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I liked Heroes the couple of times I played it back in 2004 or whenever. Don't really have a reason to revisit it. The one I can't stand is Sonic & Knuckles. 1, 2, 3, CD, all good games. S&K was the one I just had to shut off halfway through because I was done with it. Maybe Sandopolis filtered me, but it's not like the previous 2 zones were doing it for me either.

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    LET'S BLAST THROUGH WITH SONIC SPEED!

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can't say I HATE the game, but man do I agree with the flaws.
    I guess the reason I liked it was because it was the first Sonic game I actually followed the development and marketing of.
    Music is still great too.

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Frick you, this game gave us the first mainstream appearance of Team Chaotix

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I mostly enjoyed it as a kid, but it is a deeply flawed game at best.

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I had fun. There are animal creatures in it, one of them says "shit rock". It's pretty funny.

    >B-b-but it ruined the franchise!
    They're kids games bro.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>B-b-but it ruined the franchise!
      Nah, that was, and forever will be 06. That's when every started their "Sonic had a rough transition to 3D" and what lead to SoA marketing with the Meta era up until the 2020s.

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That png of the otter eating the watermelon sums it up for me. Playing through Heroes for the first time was sheer misery, and repeat playthroughs still get frustrating at points, but when you're more knowledgeable and used to the game and you get into the flow, it's really fun.

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >7 minutes into the level
    >Sonic refuses to snap onto a grind rail, literally just slides off of it
    >falls into the bottomless pit that makes up 99% of the stage
    Lol frick me.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      refuses to snap onto a grind rail, literally just slides off of it
      Man everything about that rail canyon stage was pure ass.

      >game launches you on to some rails
      >there's a bug/chance where the game have you miss the landing and fall to your death

      At least Shadow's game fixed the rail grinding.

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hate this game because it's literally what 3D Sonic should be objectively no matter how hard and how much storygays mald, except the gameplay was complete unplayable goyslop. The only game the entire series to play worse than this is Lost World and Forces. (I discount Shadow because it's "his" game).

    All it needed to be was S3K in 3D gamplay wise and it would be the objective "Mario 64 of Sonic" Sonic game. The game that set the standard for both 2D and 3D Sonic. We wouldn't even need the fricking moronic classic Sonic split had Sonic been this game from day one in 1998 instead of that cancerous Japanese slop they thought Sonic should have been just because they hate real plaftormers and Japbugmen only likes RPGslop.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It has some of the best music of any sonic game and I have fond memories playing it as a kid.
    But yeah, I can agree the gameplay was a bit lacking.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    its not that your taste is bad
    its that humans are always nostalgic for things they experienced during their formative years
    heroes was widely lauded as a fricking terrible sonic and a terrible buggy game when it released
    no one ever rated it above a 7/10 in terms of being a sonic game, and it suffered from many of the general same complaints as all 3D sonic did

    but the older gen z experienced it while they were infants so theyre partial to it
    thats just how nostalgia works
    also, so many shittier sonic games followed it, so that caused people to really reevaluate their standards and give it more of a charitable review

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >random-ass bobsled parts that function totally differently from the rest of the game
    I will forever hate complaints like this. homosexuals that are obsessed with top to bottom cohesion to the point that everything has to be insufferably on the nose instead only end up sounding like picky children, but they're convinced they know the key to game design both in marketing and as a packaged piece of art. The bobsled sections should be disliked because they don't do much, not that they're different.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >8 minutes into a level
      >gameplay suddenly drastically shifts, you die, you lose nearly 10 minutes of progress by starting over or eat the E rank
      Frick you for not engaging with any idea past the surface level. It isn't just that they're different. They suck ass even conceptually.

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hope the movie is a lot more shounen than the other ones.
    Maybe Jeff made the other ones more kid friendly to get any kids watching hooked on it for when they became teenagers and now the target demographic for shounen

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