I need more CRPGS

I always wanted to get into this genre more, 20 years ago I played BG1 and BG2 but I never really got into DND as a system. Recently I finished BG3 for the second time on tactician and I had a blast. I had to learn as I played because I never tried tabletop RPGs before. I started reading about the Pillars series or Pathfinder, but I don't know if it's something I would be into. I am way more interested in the characters and story rather than the complexity of combat. Are they any good ?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'd recommend checking out Dragon Age Origins. It has higher production values than those isometric kickstarter games and is liked for its story. Roll a human noble and kick Alistair if you want to get the good ending.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I played DAO, actually most bioware games except neverwinter nights

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Neither series has good character arcs. At least not worth spending 80h for them.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Give mass effect a go I guess? The witcher series as well (although the first ones have aged a bit, you might want skip directly to the third).
    Larian's previous games are similar combat wise and visually, somewhat, but I'd say story/companions are their weakness so probably not that.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Mass Effect
      Is a third person shooter. Fun game nonetheless but hardly CRPG
      >Witcher
      Again an action game but has some CRPG elements to it
      >

      yet to play bg3,but here is my moronic take based purely on what you said you are looking for


      >I am way more interested in the characters and story rather than the complexity of combat
      Planescape Torment, high int wis and cha for more interesting dialog choices
      Disco Elysium
      Arcanum, play as mage w/ starting hurt spell

      both PF and PoE are great for the combat and related systems first and foremost
      personally I find the writing in PF games to be subpar overall but admittedly I hate the setting and half of companions with a burning passion, so maybe that's just me
      PoE suffers from pacing issues and episodically from "walls of text" exposition
      come to think of it PF games suffer from even more severe pacing issues
      >Planescape Torment
      Agreed, the definitive CRPG
      >Disco Elysium
      Point and click adventure, ignore this
      >Arcanum
      Its real-time mode is homosexualry and you can't control a party. Passable story. Overall janky shit

      I think Pillars of Eternity is the way to go for what you are searching. It has expansive worldbuilding and a few really good companion characters and the main story has multiple layers of depth to it once you get into it. Granted, it has an issue of a slow start and even though I am very much a fan of the game, I was filtered by it initially.

      Other option would be Dragon Age Origins. I think its certainly a must-play for the genre and it would probably be easier to get into than Pillars, as it is both more cinematic and is more or a traditional hero's journey. Most of the companions are also great. And even though the sequels have issues, they are worth a playthrough if you like Origins.

      Finally, I would suggest Tyranny. Its the same engine as Pillars, but it takes some new spins in terms of gameplay that make it more fun. It had a troubled development, so it isn't as in-depth as it could be, but I still found it to be a great game over all.

      I wouldn't recomend Pathfinders initially, as the story is weaker and depth of gameplay takes centre stage. Rogue Trader is way better for story, but it suffers from the same underdevelopment problem as Tyranny, which *might* be addressed after 2 years of patches.

      >Pillars of Eternity
      Boring. Obsidian just can't write a medieval fantasy setting. OP, you will be sorely disappointed after BG3. At least combat wise is similar but otherwise hard pass on this homosexualry
      >Tyranny
      Another good suggestion OP, Obsidian's only good game really

      Play the wasteland series.

      >Wasteland
      Boring forgettable shite + really boring turn-based mode. Not tactical enough for Jagged Alliance, not fun like nu-Xcom, overall something you play through once when you're sick and have frick all to do and never touch it again

      >for OP
      Divinity OS and II are pretty good games from Larian as well, go for those OP. Turn-based but still fun

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >OP, you will be sorely disappointed after BG3
        I mean that's what I'm afraid of, I know from people who are crpgs players that bg3 is not as complex as say pathfinder, but as a whole package, cinematics, characters, the fact that every line is voiced, I don't know how could I play crpg that is not up to that standard.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The closest things that come to the standard of BG3, imo, are Witcher 3 and 2077.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >standard of BG3
            It'll take another 10 years to get something comparable, just watch. With that in mind, all the "criticism" on Ganker is just plain silly.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I know from people who are crpgs players that bg3 is not as complex as say pathfinder
          Correct, BG3 is far more complex. Pathfinder as implemented by Owlcat is 99% fluff.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're a complete homosexual and I recommend killing yourself.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yet to play bg3,but here is my moronic take based purely on what you said you are looking for
    >I am way more interested in the characters and story rather than the complexity of combat
    Planescape Torment, high int wis and cha for more interesting dialog choices
    Disco Elysium
    Arcanum, play as mage w/ starting hurt spell

    both PF and PoE are great for the combat and related systems first and foremost
    personally I find the writing in PF games to be subpar overall but admittedly I hate the setting and half of companions with a burning passion, so maybe that's just me
    PoE suffers from pacing issues and episodically from "walls of text" exposition
    come to think of it PF games suffer from even more severe pacing issues

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      but do they have great world building ? i want to be immersed in the world itself

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >great world building
        yep, this is your safest bet
        Planescape Torment
        Disco Elysium
        Arcanum

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you insist on choosing between poe and pf, go poe
        It's not remarkable in that regard, but it's good enough as far as fantasy consumer media goes
        Or maybe skip PF and play rogue trader from the same studio, it's WH
        PF world is literally boilerplate shit with no cohesion whatsoever. PF is the system, world is an afterthought

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think Pillars of Eternity is the way to go for what you are searching. It has expansive worldbuilding and a few really good companion characters and the main story has multiple layers of depth to it once you get into it. Granted, it has an issue of a slow start and even though I am very much a fan of the game, I was filtered by it initially.

    Other option would be Dragon Age Origins. I think its certainly a must-play for the genre and it would probably be easier to get into than Pillars, as it is both more cinematic and is more or a traditional hero's journey. Most of the companions are also great. And even though the sequels have issues, they are worth a playthrough if you like Origins.

    Finally, I would suggest Tyranny. Its the same engine as Pillars, but it takes some new spins in terms of gameplay that make it more fun. It had a troubled development, so it isn't as in-depth as it could be, but I still found it to be a great game over all.

    I wouldn't recomend Pathfinders initially, as the story is weaker and depth of gameplay takes centre stage. Rogue Trader is way better for story, but it suffers from the same underdevelopment problem as Tyranny, which *might* be addressed after 2 years of patches.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Poe has good moments, but is a lackluster overall.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >depth of gameplay takes centre stage
      what depth does pathfinder have? are you moronic?

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Play the wasteland series.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Check out rpgcodex's top 100 crpg list, that's pretty much all the crpgs we've got.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    PoE is pretty meh in my opinion, you can tell the first one was made purely because Obsidian needed money and created something just for the sake of it, it has no passion, even though is competently made.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't bother, every CRPG is mechanically worse than BG3 and most have worse writing to boot.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Try Might and Magic 6 and 7.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I am way more interested in the characters and story rather than the complexity of combat.
    Play PST/disco elysium and move on. You shouldn't force being interested in a genre if you don't like it's core gameplay and quite frankly I think you should just go watch anime instead of playing video games if you care more about story or whatever. Like I don't think you're aware of how alarmingly cancerous you are.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You on your period? Don't be a b***h.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Like I don't think you're aware of how alarmingly cancerous you are.

      Friendless, whiny c**t hands types this.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What I was trying to say was that I would prefer say baldur's gate 2, which has a better story, over something like icewind dale, that is mostly known for it's combat rather than the story, If the game has both of those, a great story and great/complexcombat frick yeah, no problem at all, but if the story and the world are shite, i don't really care about the combat

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's obvious what you meant. Just a game where builds and combat isn't the only thing to it.
        In that sense, even with all its story you wouldn't like Pathfinder.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But out of those two, Pathfinder and Pillars, is Pillars a better world ? I still have a soft spot for obsidian ever since the kotor 2 days, and I do admire sawyer and chris avellone, I would be willing to at least give it a go for a couple of hours and see if I like it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            See

            If you insist on choosing between poe and pf, go poe
            It's not remarkable in that regard, but it's good enough as far as fantasy consumer media goes
            Or maybe skip PF and play rogue trader from the same studio, it's WH
            PF world is literally boilerplate shit with no cohesion whatsoever. PF is the system, world is an afterthought

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Being RTWP, Pillars can be a lot of fiddling. But also you can set them to just autoattack, while you control your one main character.
            There's probably more free exploring, quests and characters to talk to in Pillars.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >What I was trying to say was that I would prefer say baldur's gate 2, which has a better story, over something like icewind dale
        Have you played iwd2? It literally has a better story than bg2.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    guild wars

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't you just love it that we all pretend OP is not another regular with carefully tuned flame war inducing post and play along like he is indeed some dude looking for game recommendations?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Any good contrarian shitposter knows that to really subvert expectations, sometimes you need to be universally polite and urbane in thread designed to get you to b***h.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just drop the genre OP. I am being 100% serious.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Uh oh, you better listen to this anon, he is 100% serious. That means he couldn't be more serious about telling you what to do.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can try Shadowrun but its presentation and quality of life are very low bar.
    It has good story though.
    Skip the first game as its bad, play the 2 games Dragonfall and Hong Kong.

    I get the feeling from your OP that you are someone who likes the Bioware style of RPGs, so in that sense you want a RPG with memorable companions, so try Planescape but its not easy to get into keep that in mind.

    Disco Elysium is a story driven game but it has no party you are stuck with Kim the entire game and there is no gameplay depth whatsoever, so approach with care.

    Betrayal at Krondor is another good story driven game

    If you want a modern game with good visuals and presentation then CRPGs are still not there quite yet, this is one of the reasons why BG3 itself blew up, because it had a standard of presentation never seen before in the genre.

    So if you want something like that you have to make concessions and settle for RPGs not CRPGs, and for that you can check out CDPR games especially the expansion they are the best character writers currently, at the same time no single RPG dev can come close to them when it come to Cinematics and Direction, they are simply top tier.

    I used to be like you, caring so much for the story but nowadays i prefer game design, world design and even aesthetics more, i still love a good story, but its not that important.
    Writing however is important, characters are important, writing in the sense of video game writing, by that i mean the way dialogue reacts to you, the choices you can make and how they influence things, those sort of things, even if you find some plot issues here and there i would take this over a well written on rails story game.

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