I play as a mage and use ashes. Did I truly play the game?

I play as a mage and use ashes.

Did I truly play the game?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    nah, ashes break boss fights

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ashes break boss fights
      I feel sorry for every newfag here who bought into the "don't use Ashes" meme. Ashes are one of the most dynamic aspects of Elden Ring. There are ~64 unique Spirit Ashes in the game and there is an incredible amount of variety in their function, behavior, and use
      >Multiple entities vs a single entity
      >aggressive vs defensive
      >ranged vs melee
      >spell casting vs physical damage
      >High health / low damage vs low health / high damage
      >status effects vs stats
      Like, if you never used any Spirit Ashes in Elden Ring, you missed like 30% of the combat mechanics. You, literally, did not play the whole game.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Like, if you never used any Spirit Ashes in Elden Ring, you missed like 30% of the combat mechanics.
        The combat mechanics of the AI playing for you?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he missed 30% of the game
          hey man, never too late to start a fresh run

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          AI minions are based and redpilled. t. D2 summon Necro

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >why play the game when you can make an NPC play it for you?
        YDNBTG.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Any single spirit ash that doesn't just die in 2 hits is literally designed to just tank the boss while you rape them with no consequence, what "mechanics" are you missing out on here? If anything it's removing the spacing and dodging that you would normally have without ashes.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >normally
          Elden Ring is the game. The "normal" fighting aspect is using the spirit ashes.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Spacing and rolling is innate to the controls from the get go, ashes are something you unlock, so you're just objectively wrong.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You unlock spirit ashes very early in the run, so yes they are just as much part of the core gameplay as anything else.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can unlock 80% of the content early into a run, doesn't mean squat. If it's missable then it's not core gameplay.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know where you came up with that insanely arbitrary definition for what "counts" as core gameplay, but just know that it is, indeed, arbitrary with zero basis in any way shape or form.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not rocket science autist, if you aren't required to use it at the start of the game it's not "core gameplay", you're just attempting to be a gold medalist in gymnastics trying to justify the way (You) played the game out of some odd insecurities. Why are you here trying to justify all this if it didn't bother you so much when people said you played on easy mode?

                On the contrary, Ranni's quest is missable but is clearly the main quest given that all other NPC stories and endings suck utter fucking shit in comparison.

                Cool, story isn't gameplay though.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >if you aren't required to use it at the start of the game it's not "core gameplay"
                Not that anon. So that's like saying in Zelda Ocarina of Time since you don't get the ocarina at the beginning, it isn't core gameplay? You're lierally retarded.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                On the contrary, Ranni's quest is missable but is clearly the main quest given that all other NPC stories and endings suck utter fucking shit in comparison.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I knew Ganker was retarded. Just didn't realize how much.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Very nice counter argument, but yeah using that "logic" of his running around the map and getting a +10 somber stone weapon in <20 minutes is """""core gampeplay""""". It's beyond disingenuous.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                By that definition almost every single weapon, talisman, piece of armor, incantation, sorcery, ash of war, crafting or upgrade material is not core gameplay because it's all missable. This means that using anything other than the starting weapon at +0 with no flask upgrades and no talismans other than what you started with is the "normal" way to play the game, following your logic. Also leveling up and improving your stats is also missable, so leveling up is not a core mechanic and you are not playing the game normally if you level up.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >By that definition almost every single weapon, talisman, piece of armor, incantation, sorcery, ash of war, crafting or upgrade material is not core gameplay because it's all missable. This means that using anything other than the starting weapon at +0 with no flask upgrades and no talismans other than what you started with is the "normal" way to play the game, following your logic. Also leveling up and improving your stats is also missable, so leveling up is not a core mechanic and you are not playing the game normally if you level up.
                Correct. Real SoulsBourne players beat bosses with starting weapons and only rolling through every attack without levelling up.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >rolling

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sounds boring.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >realizes his arbitrary distinctions are retarded
                >decides to double down and become a stereotypical edgesouls tryhard
                love this community

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >By that definition almost every single weapon, talisman, piece of armor, incantation, sorcery, ash of war, crafting or upgrade material is not core gameplay because it's all missable. This means that using anything other than the starting weapon at +0 with no flask upgrades and no talismans other than what you started with is the "normal" way to play the game, following your logic. Also leveling up and improving your stats is also missable, so leveling up is not a core mechanic and you are not playing the game normally if you level up.
                Not really, almost all of that is revealed to you in ways that are not nearly as "missable" as not being at the church at a specific timeframe for Ranni to show up, very often through tutorials the instant you encounter them. You'd have a point here if most of the equipment and upgrades were gated behind specific triggers like that instead of being able to be plainly picked up while exploring.
                Most people don't know that the day/night cycle affects anything until they encounter death rite birds. I bet even less people know that certain "weather" affects things as well, because it is never explained to you.

                >if you aren't required to use it at the start of the game it's not "core gameplay"
                Not that anon. So that's like saying in Zelda Ocarina of Time since you don't get the ocarina at the beginning, it isn't core gameplay? You're lierally retarded.

                Dogshit example because you are literally forced to use it to beat OoT, you are not forced to use spirit ashes at any point in ER.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ashes are found in almost every nook and cranny of the game though. They're core gameplay, deal with it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And you can get them and never know how to use them if you aren't at one specific church at night, incredible. They're optional content, deal with it.

                Irrelevant, your character does not start with any of those things therefore they are missable as per the logic posted above.

                [...]
                Beating bosses is also missable, therefore not a part of core gameplay. You don't need to beat a boss in order to create a character or to start playing the game.

                They are nearly ever present and have tutorials, there's no big flashing indicator telling you to talk to Ranni at night to be able to summon spirits.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >And you can get them and never know how to use them if you aren't at one specific church at night, incredible. They're optional content, deal with it.
                Well that's not even true since you can also get them later on from the shop in the round table. Plus, you come across a LOT of them, so naturally you'd try and find out how to use them.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And it is not in any way revealed to you that you can buy it at the round table later. "Finding out about it eventually" is not core gameplay no matter how you try and spin it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If it's in the game all around you it is core gameplay. You still can't refute this.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "All around you"

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Irrelevant, your character does not start with any of those things therefore they are missable as per the logic posted above.

                >By that definition almost every single weapon, talisman, piece of armor, incantation, sorcery, ash of war, crafting or upgrade material is not core gameplay because it's all missable. This means that using anything other than the starting weapon at +0 with no flask upgrades and no talismans other than what you started with is the "normal" way to play the game, following your logic. Also leveling up and improving your stats is also missable, so leveling up is not a core mechanic and you are not playing the game normally if you level up.
                Correct. Real SoulsBourne players beat bosses with starting weapons and only rolling through every attack without levelling up.

                Beating bosses is also missable, therefore not a part of core gameplay. You don't need to beat a boss in order to create a character or to start playing the game.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So would you say that the mikiri counter is not core gameplay of Sekiro? You don't start off with it and you don't have to unlock it if you don't want.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Do you play with starter gear only too?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          slap on Shabriri's Woe and summon Latenna at a distance, then watch as she chips away the boss while you're fighting it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Summoning the shield boys while I stand behind them with the flame whip was KINO. Felt like I was some slave driver pushing the drones through battle.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        so much this
        am a souls veteran and i abused the shit out of ashes
        fuck muh honor and muh git gud
        souls games are not hard, you're just bad
        if you're against ashes you should be against leveling up and upgrading weapons

        Also ignoring the ashes system make 70% of the open world content worthless

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're right, just not for the correct reasons. Nobody should care what you used or how you played your game, but the ashes are largely pretty shit. There really is almost zero utility to them and they do almost nothing to the mechanics of any fight outside of a) jump in and tank damage to take the enemy's focus or b) hang back and shoot projectiles while occasionally taking the enemy's focus. If you used them on one boss you've used them on a dozen. Yawn.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Nobody should care what you used or how you played your game
          We absolutely should fucking care. If ashes are perceived positively, there's a good chance the next FromSoft game will contain a clutch like these instead of going back to relying on traditional grug skill-based rolling.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm pretty sure From is going to do whatever they want and not give a fuck what a bunch of Gankerirgins on a Norwegian canoe making forum think about beating their game or not. Your little crusade is cute but don't act like it matters one iota.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >“I feel like our approach to these games, not just Elden Ring, is to design them to encourage the player to overcome adversity. We don’t try to force difficulty or make things hard for the sake of it. We want players to use their cunning, study the game, memorize what’s happening, and learn from their mistakes.”
              Reminder that Miyazaki approves of beating the game by any means necessary

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Miyazaki also said multiplayer makes dark souls an RPG

                I don't think he knows what he's talking about most of the time

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >“I feel like our approach to these games, not just Elden Ring, is to design them to encourage the player to overcome adversity. We don’t try to force difficulty or make things hard for the sake of it. We want players to use their cunning, study the game, memorize what’s happening, and learn from their mistakes.”
              Reminder that Miyazaki approves of beating the game by any means necessary

              from is marketing the game as hardcore unforgiving trash just to please the low iq Gankercels and give you guys a sense of accomplishment

              Yet the game was always easy as fuck, hello summons?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I would love for someone calling Souls easy shit to show me this mythological 'real hard' or 'naturally difficult' game they are supposedly playing instead.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ninja Gaiden and Sekiro are much better examples

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                cuphead

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Halo 2 SLASO
                Pretty sure nobody has legitimately cleared Gravemind to this day without the use of exploits

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                any dmc with dmd difficulty
                every single metroidvania game
                every single Shoot 'em up game
                Super Meat Boy

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the only remotely difficult castlevania games were OoE and CoTM. Aria gave you all sorts of dumb shit to cheese the game with, harmony's just a shittier sotn, sotn lets you go from garden gnomeel fist to other busted shit really early, 70% of dawn gets completely trivialized by backdash cancelling katanas, and portrait of ruin is not only naturally easy but hilariously easy to bug out in a beneficial way with the infinite item glitch.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                OoE utterly breaks with certain Glyphs.
                Axe, then three-way fireballs and finally Nova Skelly-beam is pretty much all you need in the entire game.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Elden Ring is probably the easiest Souls title out there. The fact that you can breeze through the game without effort and with nearly any build should give an idea that this game is not as ''hardcore'' as it is.
                Friend of mine never played souls games.
                Picked up Elden ring. Did entirety of Limgrave from catacombs to caves and optional bosses.
                Killed Margit in 5 tries, Killed Godrick in 2 tries.
                And continued so on. Funny enough, he got stuck for 2 hours with mature Fallingstar beast. Because he skipped Caelid and went to Gelmir.

                Elden Ring is beside some small roadblocks a friendly game that's accessible to everyone. Just take your time, upgrade and you'll kill anyone with anything.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            HAHAHAHAHAHAH
            This bro just wants to play the same rollspam game forever and ever

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I'm pretty sure From is going to do whatever they want and not give a fuck what a bunch of Gankerirgins on a Norwegian canoe making forum think about beating their game or not. Your little crusade is cute but don't act like it matters one iota.

              >We
              gay

              Yes, actually, I actually want to play games that take skill.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >circle R1 circle R1 circle R1 circle circle circle R1 R1 circle R1
                Wow how captivating and skillful, surely this is the apex of the singleplayer experience

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, gay, a zoomie wouldn't understand.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah me too, that's why I don't use things like ashes or summons in souls games or shit like spamming prosthetics in Sekiro. The difference between us is I'm not a massive gay online about someone else playing a game differently than me, probably because I'm not stroking my little chode over some sense of superiority over a bunch of pixels on a screen like you.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pretty sure I have a bigger dick than you.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no rebuttal at all
                No worries, big guy, I accept your concession.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then you should play a different game that is actually hard

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >We
            gay

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How is that a bad thing if it's optional?
            By not using ashes, you're not watering down the gameplay from traditional formula, it's only those that are using ashes that are robbing themselves of harder fights.
            Fromsoft is pretty good about doing what they want and not cutting down the tree to save a few apples. All of the bitching about "muh too hard" over the years has only resulted in them adding tools for those bitching, not bringing down the entire experience for those that aren't.
            I see it as an almost opposite logic. By adding these ashes, now they can make harder, more unfair fights and when people complain about them cranking up the difficulty, they can point to the ashes, which will always be there as a free pass to victory for the unskilled. It could be a wonderful tool to cater to both camps.
            The only downside is that those that don't use them get spat on a lot with so many being "rewards" for dungeons and side content, but that's par for the course at this point. Most content wont give you new things for your preferred "build".

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >using ashes that are robbing themselves of harder fights
              You also do that by
              >upgrading weapons
              >using weapon arts
              >using shields
              >parrying
              >using magic or buffs
              >using jump attacks
              >using a horse
              >leveling up
              Where do you draw the line? This principle can be applied to every aspect of the game.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What does any of that have to do with anything I said?
                Feels like one sentence struck a nerve and you took personal offense.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >resulted in them adding tools for those bitching, not bringing down the entire experience for those that aren't.
                Because your take is an elitist one pretending that game is something that it is not.

                In every interview on this topic Miyazaki says that they want players to embrace freedom and give them as many tools as possible. But retards like you can’t accept that there’s no “right” way to play the game that makes you better than everyone else.

                If you didn’t do a no-hit run of every game in the series without ever leveling up - you robbed yourself of the true challenge those games can give you.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The real crutch is actually summoning other players tbh

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It really shows how piss poor the boss design in those games is if summoning an extra target with no damage completely trivializes every boss fight.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Any single spirit ash that doesn't just die in 2 hits is literally designed to just tank the boss while you rape them with no consequence, what "mechanics" are you missing out on here? If anything it's removing the spacing and dodging that you would normally have without ashes.

        You're right, just not for the correct reasons. Nobody should care what you used or how you played your game, but the ashes are largely pretty shit. There really is almost zero utility to them and they do almost nothing to the mechanics of any fight outside of a) jump in and tank damage to take the enemy's focus or b) hang back and shoot projectiles while occasionally taking the enemy's focus. If you used them on one boss you've used them on a dozen. Yawn.

        They really should have fleshed out the spirit ash system into something more of a full-on summoner/necromancer playthrough. Probably could have even woven it into the death sorceries and the lore behind the deathblight. If they bothered having factions with the demigods like other anons have brainstormed, they could even fall under Godwyn's banner. Such a missed opportunity.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sorry retard but I'd rather have more MP to use my cool looking skills and spells than spend it all to summon armored dude or random animal and watch them whack the boss

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Spirit Ashes are just a symptom of the game tacking on too much weird shit without thinking about how it actually fits into a greater whole. Like guard counters and jumping attacks and crouching. None of this is really necessary and it's just raw open world bloat to pad the game out with.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It wouldn't be so bad if all the mechanics meshed together better, but jumping attacks can trivialize the game even more than spirit ashes.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Spirit Ashes are weird because on one hand it definitely feels like the game wants me to use them, but on the other hand the amount of distraction they give the boss leaves me not quite satisfied, compared to when I was scraping though Margit and Godrick by the skin of my teeth.
        It's like they wanted to get the solo players on board with summoning (hence the HP or FP costs: to have a trade-off) but I can't say they've won me over.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >People who didn't use spirit ashes didn't play the whole game
        W-what?
        I can't...no...
        I thought I was based bros...

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It is always morally correct to use Tiche against Malenia, as in the end, it's a videogame.
          And if you're not having fun with the game after 6+ hours of trying, why are you even playing.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This.

        Souls games always had co-op, and ashes are a really fun and varied version of that.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What is this copium you sound like you're insecure because you beat game with ashes and internet guides.

        This is some next level cope ->

        It is always morally correct to use Tiche against Malenia, as in the end, it's a videogame.


        And if you're not having fun with the game after 6+ hours of trying, why are you even playing.

        I thought this place was for hardcore gamers, but it was just for noobs.
        Yes I know that one redditor used the rivers of noob to solo Malenia, but hey at least he soloed her unlike you casuals.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Breaking? You mean beating?

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, there is no shame in using the tools a game gives you.
    But there is shame in INT builds.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Playing Dex character
      >Do random dungeon
      >Get INT katana
      >Figure why the hell not
      >Focus on INT until I can use it
      >Shoot fucking beams on unsheaths

      >Find out every shitter in the world uses this weapon after I already reached lvl100 with it in mind
      Don't care, shit is too rad, and I totally understand why everyone loves it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        same, no amount of crying will make me leave my moonveil behind

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Exclusively level up Uchigatana
        >Add Bloody Slash ash of war because it easy modes everything
        >People get angry at me now for '>using Rivers of Blood'
        >Haven't even found Rivers of Blood

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    th core gameplay of this game is its combat , especially close quarter combat
    bosses AI struggles with multiple aggro and ranged attacks
    at least you got to explore the world

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >bosses AI struggles with multiple aggro and ranged attacks
      Skill issue
      You’ve gotten better than the boss - that’s the point of the game. Picking worse tools for doing that does not make you better. It’s like those retardant who beat the game on a steering wheel - no one cares.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ashes simply can't carry you through most boss fights and some fights will punish you for using spells.
    Pretty sure it's just a bait thread but play like you want to, it's all balanced in the end.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ashes can’t carry you
      Water is not wet

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ashes simply can't carry you through most boss fights
      tell that to my mimic from ng+ post mimic nerf lmao

    • 4 weeks ago
      Moose

      >Ashes simply can't carry you through most boss fights
      I literally spent all of NG+ with my Mimic carrying me through every single fight after dealing with them without any summons or cheesy methods in my first playthrough. The increased health pools and damage literally did not matter, having a summon (Especially the Mimic) is so broken even after all these patches that just spamming L2 with the Blasphemous Blade and almost never dodging while the Mimic took aggro 90% of the time even without the Shabriri talisman broke every boss. Malenia was second try compared to five hours, and I would have won in the first try if I didn't have her immediately rush me down after the cutscene while I was summoning the Mimic since I forgot it stuck you in the center of the arena.

      Just look at this crap, I even accidentally drank my empty Physick on accident and half-assedly kept spamming L2 and roll spamming like a mong because I didn't care to even think or try. There's a point where she even Scarlet Aeonia's aiming at me and then decides to redirect to the Mimic when hitting me would have killed me. The only reason the Mimic even died was because the AI kept walking into the SA.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >five hours
        jesus, how many attempts was that? I took a cool like 25 attempts and even that was only like 90 minutes.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Moose

          I didn't keep count but way more than 50. Learning to dodge into her, how to deal with some of Waterfowl (Could never dodge slash one), and the quirks of phase 1 is what got me through stuff. Even on my winning run I only won because she spammed Scarlet Aeonia four times in a row and never use Waterfowl in phase 2.

          This sometimes happens to me with bosses even if I know their movese., Isshin for example took me two tries first time on Sekiro then when I did it charmless it was like six hours and I don't know why. I once spend eight hours fighting against KH2 Sephiroth only to come back on the PS4 release and beat him first try and I don't know what I did differently because I didn't remember any of his moveset.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Isshin for example
            I find that people have their games that they click better with. I was absolute dogshit, for some reason, when playing Dark Souls 1. Every boss took me 20+ tries. Literally ever one. Bloodborne though, I 1-shot almost everything on my first playthrough. 2 attempts at most, for everything except Ebrietas whom I got down to 1% greed-dumping my stamina bar before dying because I gauged my damage wrong and then I went on full tilt and it took me all evening.

            Don't reply to tripgays

            What newfaggery is this? Who even pays attention to tripcodes? Literally didn't even notice until you pointed this out. Is this a reddit thing?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              not replying to tripfags is a classic Ganker policy to deter namefagging and encourage anonymity

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this reads like something some summerfag came up with in 2019. Sorry, I've just been around too much longer than that, I must have missed the memo.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i am the eternal 2008 summerfag, i was here before memes long forgotten

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i force anon on all posts so i don't even see names/tripcodes

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              lurk more newfag

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't reply to tripgays

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Good. Bullshit bosses like Malenia don't deserve respect.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >physick in the item slot instead of quick select
        ngmi

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >NG+
        You're proving his point.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >full armor
        >get hit once by a combo attack
        >70% HP gone
        What a shit game

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          if it's a combo attack it wasn't hit once retard. learn to use a shield if you are terrified of taking damage.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >wear medium armor
          >stack defense penalizing talismans
          >take lots of damage from the postgame superboss
          WOOOOOOW

        • 4 weeks ago
          Moose

          It's NG+ boss damage and she's considered a superboss and the hardest one in the game in general. She does far less than that on NG.

          >wear medium armor
          >stack defense penalizing talismans
          >take lots of damage from the postgame superboss
          WOOOOOOW

          >stack defense penalizing talismans
          Nah, the only thing I had that penalized defense was the Fire Scorpion Talisman and she doesn't use fire. My setup was Fap ring +2, stamina ring, Fire Scorpion, and I think the one that lowers FP on WAs? It was something to do with WAs.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Nah, the only thing I had that penalized defense was the Fire Scorpion Talisman and she doesn't use fire
            Oh no, he's retarded...

            • 4 weeks ago
              Moose

              >but increasesPhysical Damagetaken by 10%.
              Well crap, I guess I speedread, I thought it lowered fire resistance.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It also stacks multiplicatively with counter damage which is why you got chunked so hard

              • 4 weeks ago
                Moose

                Would the stab be counter even though I was walking backward? I wasn't dodging or attacking.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah it looked like you were sprinting but that was jsut the low quality of the webm

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            tripfags never fail to be the most retarded people on the platform

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >just want to play a spell caster but every game has dogshit magic

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      elden ring has some pretty good magic

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      magic is easy mode in literally every souls game barring maybe 3. and its stylish as fuck in elden ring. what are you talking about?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's less of an issue in Elden Ring (imo) than it was in Dark Souls 1. The problem not being the viability of magic but how the playstyle can trivialize fights by making it so you don't have to engage with their mechanics.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There are a lot of melee magic spells in Elden Ring that are very efficient and damaging but requires the player to actually put themselves at risk of getting hit. Some spells like carian slicer and catch flame, you can even cast while jumping.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pyromancy is pretty good in 3 save for a select few bosses and it is suffering incarnate.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        until an npc input read dodges every cast

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          than you use the stealth spells

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gravity spells are kino, Collapsing Stars and Astel Meteorite are awesome

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's time to play Dragon's Dogma.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have it backlogged on GOG but later heard there are some online issues that are handled better with Steam. Should I play it on Steam?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's time to play Dragon's Dogma.

            This looks boring as fuck

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's time to play the RPG with the best magic gameplay of all time

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >miss
        >miss
        >miss
        >hit for 1hp
        >miss

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you aint harry potter bro

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      just play skyrim

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        skyrim had the absolute worst magic in the series

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And? Still better than "EEeeeeepeeeeeewww" "EEeeeeeepeeeeeeewww" "EEeeeeepeeeeww"

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No it's not, magic in vanilla Skyrim is the worst magic system ever created for a videogame. It is literally unusable without the impact perk which turns every fight into a 20 minute long stunlock.

            at least skyrim didn't have like a dozen different tiered versions of the same spell.

            Are you retarded?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              everything is viable in skyrim, you can't just whip out flames and kill a high level enemy with 14 destruction, no.

              people also complain about it not being viable on legendary, when on legendary the highest damage you can get on a melee weapon legitimately is like ~300 without exploits. Channeled magic spells can easily do like 200+ damage a second over time. You can also pop a potion and melt even the tankiest enemies in the game almost instantly at range. So all it really is is people complaining "why can't I one shot like when I melee with one click and a low tier spell?!"

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >everything is viable in skyrim
                Not really, you can't effectively use any spell in Skyrim until you have 100% cost reduction at which point you spam your highest damage skill that triggers Impact. Before having full cost reduction you always use the second tier spell because anything else is literally useless as they require 3-5x the magicka cost for 1.5x the damage.
                >people also complain about it not being viable on legendary
                It's viable, it's just a fucking snoozefest to spend 30 minutes stunlocking legendary enemies to death before getting magicka cost reduction stacked.
                Since magic damage doesn't scale with anything in Skyrim you're literallly plinking enemies to death with useless spells until you get full cost reduction at which point you might as well just be cheating since you can just spam your strongest spell infinitely. It's objectively the shittiest magic system to ever exist and it's laughable how bad it is by default, especially when LITERALLY every single mod in existence that does anything related to magic in Skyrim fixes its issues by just... making magic damage actually scale as you level up.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I have never gotten infinite mana in skyrim with a mage and did fine, are you retarded? The game also gives you access to infinite mana potions while in combat

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >dude you don't need 0% cost if you just spam infinite potions
                Same shit, different smell.
                Doesn't change that Skyrim's magic is objectively dogshit.
                Also, you can't even say your retarded shit about how Elden Ring has 5 variants of the same spell, because Skyrim literally has 4 spells. Bolt, stream, trap, and cloak.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know I think you might be retarded, getting infinite mana is far harder than stacking a couple regen enchantments and skills and effectively having near infinite mana pretty early in the game

                I don't think you've ever actually played skyrim

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >getting infinite mana is far harder than stacking a couple regen enchantments
                No?
                It's pretty trivial to get 100% cost reduction (or something so functionally close that it might as well be 100%) for a single type of spell, you only need it for destruction.
                >and effectively having near infinite mana pretty early in the game
                Once again, same shit, different smell. You either might as well be cheating with infinite mana, or you're doiing nothing. Thank you for proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am correct in saying Skyrim's magic is dogshit.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's pretty trivial to get 100%
                >you can't effectively use any spell in Skyrim until you have 100% cost reduction, it's not viable

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, both of those things are true anon.
                That's why Skyrim's magic system is dogshit
                >b-but I don't technically have 100% reduction
                Then you have something functionally identical because Skyrim's magic system is dogshit.
                >hurr no Idon't
                Then you're doing some meme strategy equivalent to a challenge run except doing it in a game where there is no challenge in the first place.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that doesn't make any sense and you've never played the game

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I accept your concession.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I sorta kinda of have to agree there
              Magic in vanilla skyrim is absolute dogshit and incredibly boring.
              Not to speak of the fact that it makes looting items significantly harder.
              Magic becomes more fun when you install Apocalypse and Triumivate mods, alongside Ordinator/Perkus maximus.

              You can kill enemies just fine with vanilla magic but where is the enjoyment.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          at least skyrim didn't have like a dozen different tiered versions of the same spell.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            this
            elden ring is a lovely game but who cares about the same fucking spell but you need 70int to use it...

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Elden Ring has some pretty awesome spells between all the schools of magic. The only thing holding it back is the godawful spell selection system that hasn't evolved once since Demon's Souls.
      I also liked it better when magic was tied to your stamina instead of forcing a separate bar for mana into the mix

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        IIRC DS1 didn't even use stamina to cast spells, think that was DS2

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mages are not strong in Elden Ring this isn't Dark Souls 2 bro
      bleed, poison/rot, summon ashes, a few broken skills maybe but spells cost too much mana to be overpowerd
      I guess if you have a bonfire right next to the boss then it's good but throughout the game they just alright

      Play Dark Souls 2 and either go faith for lighning arrows taking off 1/5th of boss HP or go dark and have 150 casts of Dark Orb that deals about 400 damage per cast.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >if you have a bonfire right next to the boss
        As if this wasn’t the case for every boss in ER

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, everyone will tell you magic is OP but it's not.
      Soulsgames always have shit magic that triviliazes a few things, while making the rest of the game more bothersome.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You didnt beat the game but who gives a fuck?

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sorcery is fine, ashes are for fags

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A proper wizard needs his familiar

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah you just robbed yourself of most of the enjoyment though

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Enjoyment of getting fucked by 4 retarded endgame bosses for 20 hrs

      Nah

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I played double bunga bonk build and you bet I used the clone ashes

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, ashes are fun. You beat the game

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ashes aren't fun because you can only summon them in boss fights. Not letting me summon ashes just to watch them fight the already harmless fidld enemies is a crime

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can on multiple occasions though. Just activate the summoning pool statues when you see them.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >you can only summon them in boss fights.
          demonstrably and factually untrue tho?

          ??? Aren't those a multiplayer thing?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, you can summon ashes in a ton of overworld places. The Gatefront Ruins, like the first site of grace most people found upon starting the game, are a viable summoning location and you can clear out the whole of the nearby ruins with your ashes. Also tons of places in legacy dungeons let you leverage ashes.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Those are exclusively multiplayer things, not for ashes. There's definitely plenty of places you can summon ashes outside of boss fights though, like in Sellia.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >you can only summon them in boss fights.
        demonstrably and factually untrue tho?

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on for which fights you used ashes for. I use them for every shitty copypaste/ganksquad boss.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It felt dishonorable to use ashes against Horah Loux but I was sick of his anime grabs

    Malenia is made for getting tag team raped by mimic tear

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah sure, just like someone playing a game on "very easy" beat the game.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I usually get 1 shot in "very easy mode" in most games yeah

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >hurrr i dont put points in health
        >its the games fault i get 1shot

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >use ashes.
    Alright fuckers, name the most fun Ashes to play with.

    in descending order:
    >Marionette Soldiers
    >Bloodhound Knight Floh
    >Nightmaiden and Swordstress
    >Banished Knight Oleg
    >Winged Misbegotten

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Greatshield soldiers

      What are the best ashes to simulate being a necromancer?

      Skelleg Town Militia

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Greatshield soldiers
        patrician's choice. I'm also a fan of Omenkiller Rollo.

        What are the best ashes to simulate being a necromancer?

        I'll add Mausoleum Soldiers if you're more interested in a "ghosts" sort of Necromancer

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically Mimic pre nerf. I can't believe how gutted the AI has become. I'll use it on a caster build and it will just run in for melee nonstop. Does next to nothing but tank damage and potentially hold aggro.
      It used to be so fucking cool and actually put your build to use. I hate that they didn't just nerf its damage and HP to compensate instead of literally lobotomizing the AI to the point it acts like a fucking soldier of godrick.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe the mimic tear boss got automatically nerfed too, because they share the AI?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      black knife tiche

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Greatshield
      >Shabriri's Woe
      >Latenna
      M'lady.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Giant rat only
      Level faith to assist them

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    did you have fun?

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What are the best ashes to simulate being a necromancer?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Skeletal Militiamen
      >Skeletal Bandit
      >Puppets
      >Haligtree Soldiers
      >Fanged Imp
      >Clayman
      Depends on the aesthetic you're going for. Skeletons for obvious reasons, the puppets for more of a "re-animated dead individual" vibe, or imps/claymen for "animated golems".

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Greatshield soldiers

      [...]
      Skelleg Town Militia

      >Skeletal Militiamen
      >Skeletal Bandit
      >Puppets
      >Haligtree Soldiers
      >Fanged Imp
      >Clayman
      Depends on the aesthetic you're going for. Skeletons for obvious reasons, the puppets for more of a "re-animated dead individual" vibe, or imps/claymen for "animated golems".

      Don't forget Rotten Stray for that undead-dog look. Also for "golems", the Soldjars of Fortune are great.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I still want one those massive skeletons that shoot laser beams from their eyes as summon or even fucking spells like the dragon attack miracles; It would have been the coolest shit.
      I can only hope they add it in the DLC.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > tried 20+ times on Godskin Duo in Faram Azula, Level 104 - St Trina blade + 9 and Dolores +10

    I'm thinking about busting out the Mimic Tear, bros. ;_;

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just throw sleep pots at them at the beginning and then make sure to only fight one at a time, so the other stays asleep. it's cheese but it works

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just started the game, should I get myself the meteor staff and the Meteoric Ore Blade? Or would that take the fun out of playing?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just be yourself.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Meteoric Ore Blade
      >meteor staff
      If you're going INT, they're good items to get. I found the Meteor Staff around the time I was getting into Raya Lucaria and it was a nice upgrade over what I have. It's not crazy necessary though because you can get a boss weapon staff from like the second dungeon that stays very good throughout the game. Meteor Staff is more of a spell-specific weapon, as it gives a big boost to gravity magic, so if you like the way Rock Sling or whatever it's called feels, then it's a good choice. If you're using more glintstone spells, then it's fine but is surpassed by other weapons.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Just started playing
      >Already looking up things and google gaming
      Just play and stop relying on guides and wikis to know everything.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    to this day I will still summon solaire in gargoyles fight and use lightning resin unless I get a bk weapon drop which is basically a win condition. Soulschuds stay malding the game’s are easy.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you had fun, you beat the game :3

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yes you did play the game, anyone that says otherwise is coping and seething that you played it differently

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      its not playing the game if you're not interacting with it

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    On my first playthrough and use exclusively sword and board (occasionally 2 hand it) while ignoring all ranged and magic options.
    Am I truly playing the game?

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, now try modding it. I just mod the game. Let's me engage with all the enemies instead of running past them just to fight bosses. Gonna play a randomizer run soon

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >get grave scythe instantly after stormveil
    >put quickstep on it
    it's enough to make a man sick

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >reply
    >thread dies

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Absolutely not but 99% of the posters here did the same, as well as on all the previous Souls games too, so they didn't beat them either so you fit right in.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wanna explain your reasoning behind how 99% of people didn't beat the game?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ganker sucks ass at games. The only posts about ER on this board are people saying they didn't get past the first few bosses or saying "ez game" and then posting their caster builds + mimic tear/tiche.
        And not 99% in general, just on this board, but you can probably extend that to most of the players anyway since they made the game a lot more approachable than previous Souls games from the sheer amount of handouts given in it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >caster builds + mimic tear/tiche
          but those people did beat the game. objectively

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            mimic/tiche beat the game you mean

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              those people saw the credits and chose an ending. they beat the game

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, mimic and tiche saw the credits, stop trying to downplay their efforts.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                sorry I didn't realize I was talking to someone with a mental deficiency

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry, I didn't realize I was talking to someone that is visually disabled and clinically retarded.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if you couldn't realize that while talking to yourself, I dunno what anyone can do for you

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ah, so you're schizophrenic as well, my apologies for failing to notice.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                *shoots you in the head*

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                *misses because I'm literally not there in front of him*
                Medication, now.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                *teleports behind you*
                huehuehue prepare to meet your maker....
                *slash!!!*
                not that he even exists
                *sheeths sword and then your body splits where I sliced you*
                heh....nothing personnel

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they didnt interact with it, so they did not beat it

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.

    I am going to replay all of these with a magic focused build, never did one before and now it just seems really interesting to try so I actually care about all that MP/FP restoring stuff.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >AI Art
    >Ganker: you didnt make the art the AI did

    >Spirit ashes
    >Ganker: i BeAt ThE gAmE

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, why not?

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm playing my first play through as a Mage (intelligence 36) with Meteorite Wand with Rock Slang, Collapsing Stars and Great sword, what''s the best armor for mid/post game? I've been wearing whatever armor gets me the best defense but it's making me too slow. I also have a buckler shield and a Misericorde but I'm having trouble parrying attacks, should I just switch to a medium/large shield and will having lighter armor with large shield make me too slow?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Armor is almost purely aesthetic in Souls games, even the heaviest "tankiest" armor will make you live one more hit at best until you reach late game and bosses will kill you in 2 hits at most anyway. The best way to mitigate damage is using buffs/spells, cracked tears or a good shield. Parrying is nice but only viable on some enemies, you aren't going to parry a dragon for example, basically only ones that are closer to human size.
      Light armor with a greatshield is alright, the more the shield is upgraded the better it is at blocking attacks and it lets you perform guard counters which are pretty good at breaking an enemy's stance to get a riposte, so long as your equip load is under 70% of the max you will medium roll.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i like to get up close and personal with the bosses. broadsword + shield, then switch between 1H guard countering with the shield and 2H attacks with the square-off ashes of war

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, like everyone else. It's just a videogame.

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i just want more creature spirit ashes
    >bear spirit
    >flat-head ant spirit
    >white lion spirit ( with curved blade on its front paw )
    >dog T-rex spirit ( give it & the lion spirit insanely high FP cost to summon )

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no slime ashes
      I'm upset. Would be a good friend for Aurelia

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You played it exactly as intended and that's a bad thing

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sorry, but intentionally gimping your playthrough and playing "properly" doesn't get you laid. Mimic chads win again.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you're not seriously considering the male responses here to be actual women, surely?

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lol, STR fags coping with their build being shit, if INT was the harder build then STR fags would go on and on about how their superior build is the best one

    They always make themselves out to be the one and only way, no matter what, in matter what game

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    im glad miyazaki tricked all you morons into putting countless hours into a soul-less dark souls 3 DLC.

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I used many different mechanics available to me and that are encouraged by the devs to use
    >Did I truly play the game?

    Yes, and moreso than most retards who started the series at DS3.

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Spells and miracles are the best these games have seen. Enjoy yourself.

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >mage

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      more like gayge since they never stop whining and sucking each other off

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If I run past all the mobs and just kill the bosses, have I played the game completely? The bosses aren't so bad but I fucking hate lobsters, dogs and those shitty crows. I know mobs are most of the game, but I really don't like interacting with them

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The correct way is to clear out all the mobs in your first run of an area, then when you get to the boss, run past them to go straight to the boss every time.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Some mobs are obviously not playtested. Lobsters and the various other enemies that snipe you across the map were explicitly designed to be like "hehe let's just make an enemy to kill no hit runs". Unfortunately by extension of them trying to dunk on tryhards normal people get fucked by AIDS when they just want to take their time going through an area. All the awareness in the world can't prepare you for getting sniped from behind 500 feet away.
      So to answer your question: yes, since it seems like you've engaged with them at least once before.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If I run past all the mobs and just kill the bosses, have I played the game completely? The bosses aren't so bad but I fucking hate lobsters, dogs and those shitty crows. I know mobs are most of the game, but I really don't like interacting with them

        Yes, this is why I mod the game. I get to engage all enemies, and I do more than just roll. You should mod the game too

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In any other souls game I would have called you a gay, but something about the mobs in ER just aren't fun to fight at all. I think I can count on one hand the amount of mobs I actually find enjoyable to fight, the rest are either annoying or downright infuriating to deal with.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If I run past all the mobs and just kill the bosses, have I played the game completely?
      what do you think we did in previous souls games. anyone that says otherwise is just lying.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It’s way easier to run past enemies on a horse and a lot of levels in Souls games were designed to specifically catch and trap “runners”

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >were designed to specifically catch and trap “runners”
          that does not work at all lmao.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >a lot of levels in Souls games were designed to specifically catch and trap “runners”
            And none of them did it particularly well outside of DS2 where they just hard gated you

            My point is that they tried.
            If you’ve never been hit by a stray spell, ambush or an arrow while running though a mob on your 10th attempt, when you’re too tired to pay attention anymore - you’re lying.

            It may not even be a lot of damage but it can force you to waste a flask.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >a lot of levels in Souls games were designed to specifically catch and trap “runners”
          And none of them did it particularly well outside of DS2 where they just hard gated you

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Eh, you would have to memorize roll times in DS3 to get through a lot of areas. The option felt like it was there to get through the levels if you knew exactly where to go and what to do and it didn't feel like cheating because it was arguably harder to do than just clearing the level, but you saved loads of time

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >use game mechanics
    >did i play the game?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >click "see the credits ASAP" button
      >"did I beat the game?"
      Obviously not.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if you conflate seeing the credits as instantiated by a menu option, that's on you.

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is it only this game where the whole "you didn't beat the game" shit applies?
    I've seen people say the same thing about MonHun for example (eg: co-op? you didn't beat the game) and everyone just laughs and says they're wrong. What's the difference?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's just banter m8.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The difference is that souls tryhards drank too much of their own koolaid. They bought in to the "dark souls is le hard game for hardcore gamers like me" shit a little too much, now they all think they're Buts Gerserk for slamming their head against a wall until they overcome some self-imposed obstacle

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fromdrones think theyre better than other gamers because their game is harder, or something.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why is it only this game where the whole "you didn't beat the game" shit applies?
      People have been calling summoning easy mode since dark souls and it's quite literally playing the game wrong to use them.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this sounds the exact same to me as autistic screeching from Midwest gays crying about putting ketchup on a hotdog
        >nooooo you didn't REALLY have a hotdog you can't do that noooo!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The main shill of the game couldn't handle people calling the game easy so he started spamming threads with "if you do this you didn't actually beat the game" to cope with people not thinking the game was hard.

      Like when it was exposed that Radahn or whatever his name is can be soloed entirely by AI phantoms without you even having to get off your horse he started spamming that Radahn was nerfed and there was a secret version of him that only he beat that was actually hard

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      idk, but Monster Hunter is definitely the better boss battle game. feels way more engaging to play (as long as you're not HBG), combos are actually pretty cool and varied, and the bosses (monsters) all feel good to play against

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not him but the major difference is up until late game there are VERY few bosses that can kill you in just a few attacks, and upgrading armor and eating before hunts to maximize your health is considered standard even among veterans.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because from's games used to have a shared sense of struggle with the challenge. It built a community in its difficulty at points. Now there's none of that. Someone could claim Malenia is the hardest boss in fromsoft history and another person new to the game would summon ashes, bleed frost and say she's super easy.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Someone could claim Malenia is the hardest boss in fromsoft history and another person new to the game would summon ashes, bleed frost and say she's super easy.

        That was literally always the case. You didn’t notice it in earlier games because you were in a bubble.

        I went the wrong way in DS so I arrived to O&S very late and over leveled. Fight was piss easy and I could never understand what’s all the fuss is about. Souls games are very unbalanced and the difficulty is extremely uneven for every individual experience. Now even more so with a bigger world.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Because from's games used to have a shared sense of struggle with the challenge
        yeah no, every game is a cake walk after your first souls game.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Moose

      Elden Ring's not the only game people say this in, have you not been here since the DeS import threads? Using shields outside of the passive, using magic, and using summons has been considered a crutch since Demon's Souls threads.

      Shields straight up let you ignore damage and the stamina cost is barely anything on the better shields on top of letting you poke through it. It also lets you completely ignore learning a boss' moveset and lets you power on through everything. It only gets more broken as the Souls games go on. Elden Ring is by far the most broken to the point that Shield Only runs aren't even challenge runs anymore, it's a legitimate way to slaughter bosses without taking any damage.
      Magic was so broken that starting as Royalty let you beat every boss and combat encounter without even trying with the basic Soul Arrow and only got progressively more broken as the series went on with DaS1 and ER being the zenith of broken spells.
      Summons break everything the games stand for. They can handle enemies for you, drag enemies out for you, tank attacks that you would have had to deal with, and provide something to aggro for bosses while dealing damage you never earned. They also always have significantly more health than the player, typically better gear than the player, and if you're summoning online players you are literally letting people with experience in the game and potentially meta builds walk all over any challenge in it.

      People throw a fit when you use things like this and now Ashes of War because it doesn't make you learn boss movesets, doesn't make you really care about fights, doesn't actually have you learn how to fight in general, and lets you strongarm every challenge by making the bosses submit to a bunch of the mechanics that make it much easier.
      At the same time it's all arbitrary and how you play is how you play, but don't be surprised when you get talked down at for using Mortal Draw on bosses in Sekiro.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >At the same time it's all arbitrary and how you play is how you play, but don't be surprised when you get talked down at for using Mortal Draw on bosses in Sekiro.
        it always makes me laugh when loser nerds think they can talk down to anyone at all, let alone just because they play a videogame without wasting as much time as the loser nerds do. congrats on spending hours retrying the gargoyles until you got lucky in DaS1, meanwhile I used my sunbro and then actually got further in the game in that time.

  44. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This has been discussed a million times.
    Elden Ring was designed as a coop game. You can play it completely solo and learn boss patterns but many bosses are easy/hard based on which attacks they choose to use and how aggresive they are. If they act aggressive and use the bad attacks you have to wait 10-20 seconds before getting 1 attack. And if you're not overleveld you'll have to do this 60-100 times. That up to 30 minutes for a single boss fight and if you fuck up it's 1-2 hours. There are like 60 bosses in the game.
    Now sure most bosses are not that bad and you do usually get a bonfire right next to the fog gate. But to a lot of us it's just too much time spent on a game that's already very long and kinda repetitive especially since we've been playing it for 15 years now.
    Not to mention some of us only play the singleplayer as to collect items for the multiplayer and don't care about fighting AIs.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I dont think elden ring is fundamentally a co-op game, but it does have alot of shameless multiplayer hooks to nudge players into paying for an xbox or playstation sub.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are you a retard?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i have 100 hours in elden ring and never touched the multiplayer once

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No I'm calling you a retard for saying that the game has the same multiplayer features Demon's Souls had on the PS3 with free online because they want to get you to pay for online (when the primary platform for ER has free online)

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              the PC port is a hackjob and clearly not the target platform when the PS5/ Xbox SX have the superior stutter free version of the game. Not to mention they make up most of the sales like all console multiplats do.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the PC port is a hackjob and clearly not the target platform when the PS5/ Xbox SX have the superior stutter free version of the game
                >less features
                >worse performance
                >paid online
                >not the lead platorm
                Nope, sorry.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Souls was never a PC game and fromsoft are console developers first and foremost.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Souls games have been made for PC and ported to other platforms since DS2. Granted this is how basically every multiplatform game is developed since it's the easiest way to develop games but still.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >PC developer
                >two of their better games are locked on a Sony console
                Why would I expect reason here

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Demon's Souls was made before they had in-house PC development and Bloodborne was made on an engine that is explicitly developed for multiplat development, it was just released as an exclusive because it was co-developed with Sony Japan Studio. Do you even know anything about the games you're talking about?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You’re forgetting Dark Souls which was a console port.
                >Moving on, it seems Dark Souls on PC will not support any sort of user modification or editing – unlike, say, Skyrim with its creation kit. "Personally, I am interested in the concept of Mods," said Miyazaki. "However, due to our lack of experience with the PC we need more time to adapt to what PC gamers want from mods. So this time we're not doing it."

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You’re forgetting Dark Souls which was a console port.
                How am I forgetting it? You didn't mention it and my post expliictly said "since Dark Souls 2". I didn't forget shit, you just literally cannot read.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >muh main platform

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                retard

                They're ports, not PC games. Thats why their menus are shit to navigate and you'd have to be a moron to play a souls game on anything other than a Dualshock controller.

                >They're ports,
                They're developed for PC then ported to other platforms, that's how multiplatform development works. The menus and sometimes controls have been shitty because From are incompetent at designing interfaces for PC due to being console developers, but that doesn't change how mutliplatform development works.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >that's how multiplatform development works
                No it does not. It’s developed under common SDK and then adjusted for each platform accordingly.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They're ports, not PC games. Thats why their menus are shit to navigate and you'd have to be a moron to play a souls game on anything other than a Dualshock controller.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Souls has always been a console-first game, that's why it took them 10 years to finally get even slightly functioning anticheat, and they had to have it literally be given to them by a modmaker after an RCE exploit got demonstrated publicly (It wasn't even the first one either, the others just got buried because executing them was way over the head of any retard and they could just patch it into the anticheat mods).
                Speaking of mods, if from doesn't count them as a feature (because they'll ban your ass from the online if your save has anything off about it) then you can't count them as part of your excuse to call PC the lead platform.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Souls has always been a console-first game,
                Until DS2 where they moved into mutliplatform development, which means developing for PC and porting to other consoles since doing it any other way requires 10x the effort for the same returns, because tha'ts how multiplatform development tools work.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Multiplatform development and "this game is primarily designed to run on PC" are not the same thing. Morrowind is an example of the latter, as can be told by it's xbox port being a piece of shit.
                Worded a bit better, Just because a game was developed on PC and ported to other consoles afterward does not mean that the primary system it was designed for was PC. For example, Bloodborne. Can't call it a PC-first game because it only ever released on PS4, despite being developed the exact same way as the other souls games.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Multiplatform development and "this game is primarily designed to run on PC"
                Sure, but it doesn't change the fact that PC is the lead development platform.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >lead development platform
                >only way to play without stutter is on console

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Or you can play it without stutter on PC.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, it is impossible to play NG without stutter unless you already completed the game. The only “PC” config immune to it is Steam Deck, because they rolled out a specific fix that From does not bother to port to PC.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >multiplayer issues
                >constant performance issues on release
                >never fixing stutter
                >no graphical improvements over console
                >no extended hardware support
                From never cared about PC and never will.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                issues
                Just like consoles
                performance issues on release
                Just like consoles
                fixing stutter
                Just as much as consoles
                >>no graphical improvements over console
                False
                >>no extended hardware support
                True
                >From never cared about PC and never will.
                And yet it's still the lead platform for development, because that's how development works.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >multiplayer is down for the whole series for a literal year
                Business as usual on consoles
                >Multiplayer is down forever on DS1
                Business as usual on consoles
                >anti cheat crashing and issues
                Business as usual on consoles
                >KBM implementation is buggy on every launch
                >never fixing stutter
                >Just as much as consoles
                Shader compilation stutter is not present on consoles, retard
                >And yet it's still the lead platform for development, because that's how development works.
                And yet you still keep repeating things you know nothing about

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Again, lead development platform and target platform are two different things. I'm not denying that souls games were developed on PC, I'm saying that the target platform for the games is console.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm not denying that souls games were developed on PC
                Cool thanks for acknowledging that I'm correct.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >primary platform
              >he doesn’t know

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >UK

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If they act aggressive and use the bad attacks you have to wait 10-20 seconds before getting 1 attack. And if you're not overleveld you'll have to do this 60-100 times. That up to 30 minutes for a single boss fight
      Did you never find Master Hewg, what the fuck

  45. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For me? It's Dark Souls III with Champion's Ashes.

  46. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Malenia used waterfowl dance. Did she truly kill me?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Literally just fucking block the attack

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Radahn used a meteor strike. Did he truly kill me?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sounds like skill issue if you die to post-nerf Radahn meteor.

  47. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anon, you may love playing as mage even more.
    Because this dude is turning every incantation into a sorcery.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Those magma sorceries are fucking cool

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My friend, the sorceries shown in the video aren't even half of what's going to be ingame.
        I am extremely hyped to play Elden ring with sorceries.
        As my first run ever was... a weird one. I went with Strength + faith with a regenerating build.
        If there's going to be so many cool spells, willing to gave it a shot.

        Also magma sorceries are hilarious as they can stunlock enemies.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      whats the point of getting rid of incantations.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        normalfag retards (the target audience for this game) wouldn't know how to get a pyromancy flame

  48. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >souls 6
    >magic is still an afterthought
    That's how you know the game is shit.

  49. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think my first playthrough of Dark Souls 2 was a more enjoyable experience than the first playthrough of Elden Ring.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      elden ring late/end game is dogshit
      zones are miserable long corridors forcing you to do the same 3 activities you've done since the first hour of the game
      same boring enemies but with more hps

  50. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Best ash is the archer
    If you don't hold aggro boss will destroy her
    All she does is provide damage, no effects
    Literally just speeds up fights via increased damage

  51. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Did I truly play the game?
    Only if you had fun.

  52. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For me, it's a variety of builds over multiple playthroughs.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that was the zoomiest, most normiest fucking thing i have seen on this website in years. and I am not one for buzzwords.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        why? Because it shows how stupid the game is?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ?
          Jeez dude a little kneejerk there? I never mentioned anything about the game. I'm referring to the meme format stylistic choice of the video.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            so like showing how the game is easily trivialized

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Sure, whatever.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Now try using your words to explain your reasonings this time anon.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Now try using your words to explain your reasonings this time anon..

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      cringe, not killing off zoomers and getting rid of abortion are a mistake

  53. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All that matters is that you had fun 🙂

  54. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You played it sure, but you didn't beat it.
    The extent to which you didn't beat it depends on what magic and ashes specifically that you used.

  55. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Untitled-4.jpg
      Did you make this image yourself anon? It's a bad look spamming this everywhere.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Some of those takes are fucking idiotic.
      >oh wow, let me shit on people for actually liking something

      Literally the same as fags, trannies and garden gnomes hating on every living thing that dares to enjoy something they dislike.

  56. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You've played a version of it.
    Different builds have very different experiences with the game and there are fights that punish mages and ashes specifically, while they're easier for other build.
    It's not necessarily about getting good, it's about getting good at different things.

  57. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    your achievements says you beat the game.

  58. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Souls' elitism is one of the most retarded aspects of its fandom. These games are not as hard as you think they are. Gimping yourself for the sake of muh hardcore achievements is retarded and always will be. That gay with a giant dad/havel mum build ganking forestmorons will always have more fun than the average player who thinks he is an MLG pro in a game with broken multiplayer and very simplistic combat mechanics.

  59. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As fun as magic is, there's always at least one boss who just tanks it like crazy. So you're left with no choice but to invest in str or dex for a physical weapon.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Respec - kill the boss - respec back
      It’s that easy

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >switch to magma sorceries
      problem solved

  60. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What are good mods for ER for a 2nd playthrough? Any good overhauls or shit to try out?

  61. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I larp as a Shinigami and Ashes are my bankai aka when I am out of flasks.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wish we had weapons that transform you and completely change your move set for a while

  62. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. It is the developer's responsibility to balance the game.

  63. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    anything that makes the enemies lose health with zero player input or decision-making is an anti-mechanic. After the initial ash spawn there is rarely anything more to do other than wail at the enemy as fast as humanly possible. Whether or not this is "unfair" or not is irrelevant - this anti-mechanic devalues the game's own core systems, reducing the fun as a result.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >using poison or other damage over time effects is anti-mechanics
      You still have to spend an action to summon the spooky ash ghost, just as spending an action to poison/burn/whatever the enemy in any other game

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >zero player input
      You press a button
      >decision-making
      You decide to waste a whole mana bar on this

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >zero player input
      >player has to wail at the enemy
      ok

      Souls games have always had NPC and multiplayer co-op, you're outing yourself as a Souls newfag.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >anything that makes the enemies lose health with zero player input or decision-making is an anti-mechanic.
      You literally have to choose to summon, then pick a summon for the situation, then perform that action, and spend your mana/health to summon, and then you still need to play with your summon in mind with things like good positioning so you both aren't getting hit by AOE attacks. What are you talking about retard?

  64. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes you did. If you saw the credits you beat the game even if you technically played it on easy mode. What you should be asking yourself is did you have fun. That is all that matters.

  65. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I completed the game on release with a STR/FTH/ARC build (starting with flails and later switching to the vyke's spear with some dragon magic to clear trash). Now that I've got an itch to play again what build should I try for my 2nd playthrough?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      pure STR, BIG BONK

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        a ripped tomboy punchgirl might be fun now that I think about it, thanks!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you already did str/fth/arc the answer is to try int/dex. Prisoner is a good starter class, and you can go for a more niche weapon or just go crazy early with meteor staff and Moonveil. If you're sick of magic overall, go sword and board this time and focus on using a shield to block and parry, that can really change up which enemies are annoying and difficult drastically.

  66. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I played a pure mage build first time I played and had lots of fun with it.
    Now I'm playing a randomized coop game with a couple friends so I think I'm gonna either do a pure sword/shield build or unga bunga colossal weapon build for variety.

  67. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Numerous Soulsfags have told me (when I, never having played Dark Souls, decided to get Elden Ring) that the "only" way to play is to go in blind as a sword and board. I did go in blind so that if the game was as obtuse and hostile to noobs as I thought it was (it largely was) I could feel justified in my original skepticism about Fromsoft games, but I ignored their anti-magic horseshit and deliberately played as a sorcerer literally just because I knew they would seethe about it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I did the same when i started these games ages ago.
      But your friends are right. I have the most fun when not bothering with magic and just making the most of consumables when i need to be tricky.

  68. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you played more than most people did
    Ganker has a weird cuck fetish over implying that seeing more content means you played less of the game

  69. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >80 int
    >moon greatsword
    >0 spells equiped
    Time to game

  70. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Elden Ring fans are the most pretensius gamers I've met in a long time.

  71. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    elden ring sucks ass

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