I understand nothing about this character. Why does he want to bomb the NCR?

I understand nothing about this character. Why does he want to bomb the NCR? He acts like the Courier is a monster for delivering a package but he trained the white legs and encouraged them to genocide the New Canaanites.

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  1. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    He's a Black person

  2. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    Courier's mistake proved to him that one man can (and should) change history, this is the main takeaway of the story,
    its why the 'voice' of America are just a stockpile of nukes. It's about all the prior protagonists of the Fallout series, whos action had influenced the people around them.

    His motivations for destroying the NCR, and the Legion are separate: no future in either and to let the world begin again, without the old world burdening them.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      That's why he needs a reminder that he isn't the protagonist and that his lesson will die with him

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Courier's mistake
      What mistake? Delivering a package and the morons that wanted it being too stupid to understand it?

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        it self activated for one; its the mistake of being weak, of being a "just following orders" sort person. this is pre-player courier aka a literal NPC.

        I genuinely think you can make the case for lonesome road being some of the worst written video game media ever. Now people will say what about fanfic tier dialogue in indie/ japanese shit that doesn’t remotely resemble actual human behaviour, but hear me out. It’s like if someone vaguely competent at prose and the standard templates of writing used that skill set to create absolutely nothing somehow. You’ve got decent sounding sentences, statements that make sense on some level, the atmosphere of a coherent world, but it’s all a vague nebula over an absolute void. The result is a feeling of gravitas that becomes aggravating and nonsensical because it is gravitas that points to and underpins absolute nothingness. I’m meant to feel like the divide is extremely important, that this is all heady, weighty stuff, the culmination of the story and a ton of themes. It’s supposed to feel world shattering and engrossing, but the writing style associated with all those effects is being lathered over a giant empty space with absolutely nothing to cling to or understand in it. People say it doesn’t make sense, but it does, it’s just so fricking vacuous that their mind imagines there must be more and they’ve missed something. Ulysses is not an interesting character at all, he’s barely more than the average npc you meet in game, but he’s written as though everything he says is some sort of profound revelation and resonant of some compelling personality and history that doesn’t exist. He doesn’t like the NCR. He lived in a canyon that the player character nuked by accident. He visited the places from the other DLCs. That’s literally fricking it. There’s nothing more to him, no matter how much the forced hushed tones of his delivery indicate something far more meaningful. There is no plot, there are no characters, but it’s all presented like you’re experiencing the most impactful story ever and listening to this deeply realised fleshed our villain.

        you wouldnt get it.

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          >of being a "just following orders" sort person
          this is fricking garbage if you don't know what you're doing.
          >Nash tells the courier to take a package out to the middle of nowhere
          >No
          >"why"
          >Can't tell you, no reason. Bad juju. Don't want to just follow orders, you know
          You're an imbecile. You probably live at home and have to ring a bell for your mommy to help you go to the potty. I can't comprehend what kind of a fricking moron you are to think working for the post office and delivering a box is the equivalent of being ordered to burn and gas people

  3. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    its Chris Avelone avatar b***h about players not paying attention to quest they are completing, treating them just like a checklist to be completed

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      It's unironically this
      If you pay attention to the story Ulysses claims you did, you'll notice it has a lot of parallels with what's going on in the main game. You're delivering a package (The Platinum Chip) to an important location (Vegas) that has the potential to be greater than the NCR or Legion, yet you're motivations for doing so are shallow and you don't really seem to understand the significance of your actions (hence why you can talk him down with high rep from the NCR, Legion, or Strip, it shows you actually are committed to something)

      Ulysses trying to nuke the NCR isn't about actually trying to do anything with the world. He's just doing to prove a point to you: that the shit you do matters, and there's going to be serious fricking consequences for the entire world and history in general. If you act carelessly and without regard to the context you find yourself in, you doom everyone to a shitty future like the Divide went through

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        >He's just doing to prove a point to you: that the shit you do matters
        The ending slideshow of the game already does that though.

  4. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    I genuinely think you can make the case for lonesome road being some of the worst written video game media ever. Now people will say what about fanfic tier dialogue in indie/ japanese shit that doesn’t remotely resemble actual human behaviour, but hear me out. It’s like if someone vaguely competent at prose and the standard templates of writing used that skill set to create absolutely nothing somehow. You’ve got decent sounding sentences, statements that make sense on some level, the atmosphere of a coherent world, but it’s all a vague nebula over an absolute void. The result is a feeling of gravitas that becomes aggravating and nonsensical because it is gravitas that points to and underpins absolute nothingness. I’m meant to feel like the divide is extremely important, that this is all heady, weighty stuff, the culmination of the story and a ton of themes. It’s supposed to feel world shattering and engrossing, but the writing style associated with all those effects is being lathered over a giant empty space with absolutely nothing to cling to or understand in it. People say it doesn’t make sense, but it does, it’s just so fricking vacuous that their mind imagines there must be more and they’ve missed something. Ulysses is not an interesting character at all, he’s barely more than the average NPC you meet in game, but he’s written as though everything he says is some sort of profound revelation and resonant of some compelling personality and history that doesn’t exist. He doesn’t like the NCR. He lived in a canyon that the player character nuked by accident. He visited the places from the other DLCs. That’s literally fricking it. There’s nothing more to him, no matter how much the forced hushed tones of his delivery indicate something far more meaningful. There is no plot, there are no characters, but it’s all presented like you’re experiencing the most impactful story ever and listening to this deeply realised fleshed our villain.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      Well I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels like this made no sense. Veronica is a more interesting character than Ulysses.

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        Thats a copypasta making fun of morons like you.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, what you are describing is not a Lonesome Road problem, it is a New Vegas problem.

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        How so? The base game introduces factions with sensical and believable goals. Say what you want about Mr House, he's absolutely nothing like Ulysses.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      I was so bored by him I either didn't listen to or remember his story at all, I vaguely remember it not making a heap of sense and I only played it less than a year ago

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      I ain't reading all that.
      Ulysses isn't any worse than the mandatory 20 mins dialogue with the moronic computers in OWB

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      Brilliant post

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      meh. You got some things right but you don't get it, i don't think.

      He's just a character that's very impressed with the Courrier ( who is pretty much a demigod in his universe, let's be real) but he's tired of seeming him act like a complete moron that just does things because he can. After all, 3 out of the 4 dlcs are just "woopsies ! guess im stuck here now", two of them you are trapped because you are a curious moron.

      It's not as deep as some would say true, but it's not as shit as you think. I think most players remember Ulysses because he's a breath of fresh air in a word where you extreme actions barely have any reactions on the npcs. Plus it's also a meta joke about the players doing something in a videogame just because they fricking can. I mean, what did you do at the end of the dlcs ? Cuz i sure as hell nuked everyone to see what would happend, and the game rewarded me for it. It's a moronic way of thinking that doesn't apply to real life. You woudn't even dare visiting ground zero of a nuclear blast, yet you can do that and i'm pretty sure most players that nuked a target went to see what happend there afterwards.

      It's most definitively not the worst writing, no, not even by a long shot.

  5. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    Did you not play the DLC? His audio logs explain most of what you need to know.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      The audio logs only made it more confusing. He said technology can't solve anything but never made clear what his solution was. Dropping the bombs to start fresh? That already happened once, and nothing changed (war never changes lol).

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        >tribe gets destroyed and assimilated
        >he becomes a top agent doing the same shit to other tribes
        >when one of the tribes adopts a symbol of his old tribe he becomes disillusioned and basically leaves the conflict all together
        >finds a new place that he believes has potential outside
        >gets destroyed by bullshit
        >this is last straw and he goes to take out both sides so shit can start a new
        That’s his entire point, that’s literally why he’s doing it, how is that confusing?
        >That already happened once, and nothing changed
        It’s almost like he doesn’t get that, just like all the other characters in power and he needs to learn it and let go which is also the main theme of all the DLC.

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          >It’s almost like he doesn’t get that, just like all the other characters in power and he needs to learn it and let go which is also the main theme of all the DLC.
          This is the part that people don't get. I don't know if this issue is specific to Fallout, but it's like villains either need to be absolutely evil (the Enclave and Horrigan) or arguably justified (the Master), without arguably unjustified being an acceptable answer to people... despite the insistence that the setting is at its best when characters and factions are morally grey.

          You see this the most with Caesar. People blindly assume that because he says "Hegelian dialectic", he falls under the arguably justified category because he simply MUST be intelligent. Caesar is an arrogant moron whose stupid ass was spared execution because he had the good fortune to find one book and to turn it to his advantage. Both the means and the ends of the Legion are unjustified, there are simply better, if imperfect, solutions. It is the player's role to convince characters like Ulysses to compromise, to accept these imperfect solutions before they shoot themselves in the feet.

          I'd have to do another playthrough of LR to properly recall what Ulysses represents beyond the broad strokes, but I think

          It's unironically this
          If you pay attention to the story Ulysses claims you did, you'll notice it has a lot of parallels with what's going on in the main game. You're delivering a package (The Platinum Chip) to an important location (Vegas) that has the potential to be greater than the NCR or Legion, yet you're motivations for doing so are shallow and you don't really seem to understand the significance of your actions (hence why you can talk him down with high rep from the NCR, Legion, or Strip, it shows you actually are committed to something)

          Ulysses trying to nuke the NCR isn't about actually trying to do anything with the world. He's just doing to prove a point to you: that the shit you do matters, and there's going to be serious fricking consequences for the entire world and history in general. If you act carelessly and without regard to the context you find yourself in, you doom everyone to a shitty future like the Divide went through

          its Chris Avelone avatar b***h about players not paying attention to quest they are completing, treating them just like a checklist to be completed

          is accurate. But as far the broad strokes go, you're supposed to find fault with his doomer-ass reasoning. He's a c**t and you cross the Divide to slap him straight.

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            From my understanding Ulysses represents the people who think the answer of how to fix mankind is to just start over. Instead of trying to find a solution like you pointed out.

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            So he's moronic and that's the point? He's just there to make sure the player isn't also being moronic?

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              He's not moronic, he's just arrived at incorrect conclusions through his lived experiences and reflection on them. He's human. He just happens to be a human who bears an autistic grudge against the Courier because many of their experiences intersect in unexpected ways (the Divide, turning down the platinum chip, Elijah, the White Legs, the Think Tank, but mainly the Divide). He just wants the Courier to be more aware of the effect they have on things.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                No way man. He claims to care so much about history but doesn't seem to know the history of the world he's living in.

                Replace moronic with broken by the lesson learned from what happened to the Divide.

                >it's about Ulysses wanting you to only get involved with things you're ready to accept responsibility for

                Then why does he set the nukes up before you even get into his bunker. He seems so ready to listen to you but when you convince him he's wrong he's just like: "oh shit you're right too bad I can't stop the launch now". I'm certain of it he's moronic.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Then why does he set the nukes up before you even get into his bunker.
                Because by that point you'd already launched the Ashton nuke and repeated the same mistake Ulysses claims you made with the Divide before.

                >but when you convince him he's wrong he's just like: "oh shit you're right too bad I can't stop the launch now"
                Of course. Because the ways you talk him down all show that he was a hypocrite, that he didn't actually understand you just like he claims you didn't understand what you were doing, and that his own "package" was totally unnecessary and about to cause a disaster because of his failure to understand. You can talk him down in one of three ways
                >High faction rep, showing that you actually are committed to something and willing to accept responsibility
                >Finding all of Ulysses tapes, showing that you're willing to learn from his mistakes and know the history
                >Finding all of the ED-E upgrades, showing that you actually do try to understand the packages you deliver and that knowing what's in the old-world tech is valuable

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Do you even have a way to find out if accessing that control panel would launch the nuke beforehand?

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                The amount of people who know how technology from 200+ years ago works by the time of FNV is slim to none especially if it has to deal with the Enclave/US military.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Because the ways you talk him down all show that he was a hypocrite
                *Because the ways you talk him down all show that he was moronic

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              No he's not moronic. Dude repeatedly tells you that you can always leave the Divide, and in fact he writes it everywhere too. "You can go home Courier," you see this written all throughout LR
              LR really is more personal than that, it's about Ulysses wanting you to only get involved with things you're ready to accept responsibility for.

              At any time he probably could have grabbed ED-E and nuked the NCR on his own if he wanted to, but he only does it if you bring ED-E to him. Because once again, you're delivering a package you don't understand (ED-E) for the sole purpose of satisfying a pointless curiosity and you end up causing a disaster along the way (the Ashton silo) through your own carelessness

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                It's the same plot in all the DLCs and the main game which is great
                You show up in Zion just looking to make a quick buck and end up getting a bunch of uncontacted primitives killed while a preacher tries to explain that you're involving yourself in a conflict that is poised to ruin something great and beautiful whether it ends up being the innocence of the tribes or the beauty of the canyon
                You drop in on one of the most horrifying secret bases in the US and cause a stable situation to spiral out of control, eventually threatening the wasteland with exposure to the work of mad geniuses before you meet someone who can put the genie back in the bottle
                You stumble into a trap driven by your own curiosity and enable a megalomaniacal brotherhood elder to have his revenge and it takes the power of teamwork to bring him down
                And finally you launch a nuke just because you can't resist seeing what a button does
                Then you go back to the main plot, where a stalemate is broken because you waltz into Vegas with a platinum chip which enables a madman from the old world to take over with an army of robots unless you stop him

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Meta commentary is fricking moronic and ruins games. Obviously if I bought a DLC I will play through the DLC.
                A character taunting the player that he has a choice to leave and is only exploring an area for curiosity is fricking moronic. I want a good story, I go into an area because I paid money for it, I want the exp, I want to experience a good story.
                The game berating the player character for meta reasons isn't a good story. I don't share the same motivations as my character. The player character has no reason to go there and none of the trash addressed to him makes sense from the perspective of the player character. It's immersion breaking.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                In the case of bioshock I think it works but this dlc is probably the absolute worst possible context to do it in for the reasons you stated.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, it also falls apart if you aren't the type of player who doesn't just hurr durr your way through RPGs. Hearing a character whine because you just did quest objective when you've been taking advantage of skill checks and actually reading the dialogue up to that point in the game really pulls you out of it.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                >A character taunting the player that he has a choice to leave and is only exploring an area for curiosity is fricking moronic.
                >The player character has no reason to go there and none of the trash addressed to him makes sense from the perspective of the player character
                But that's the entire point, you really don't have a reason to be there and what Ulysses is trying to impress upon your character is that the petty whimsical attitude that lead your character to this pointless location is a problem. To the contrary I think it only makes sense from the perspective of your player character. The player himself has no way of knowing whether something is important in the Divide or not, at least not beforehand

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Dead Money is million times worse. Elijah won't shut the frick up about how "it's my greed that brought me here and it's my fault I answered the message on the radio".
                Dude, I started the DLC because it's a new content, stop guilttripping me over it. And no, I don't give a frick about the gold, I just want to leave.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Elijah doesn't guilt trip you at all and readily admits he came because he's after the treasures too
                It's God that guilt trips you, and God is a manipulative control freak psycho. Just switch him to Dog if it bothers you so much

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                There was some military game like that. I don't know why writers want to make people feel bad for playing their game.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Spec Ops the Line.
                And I listened to the devs and never played their game in the first place. I have a feeling the creator going "don't play my game" is not seeing a big picture here. That's how comicbook industry crashed and burned.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Hes not guilt tripping you at all, just berating you for your curiosity. The phrase "curiosity killed the cat" isn't a meme, sometimes you frick up and stumble into something beyond you. You heard a message on the radio, stepped into a brotherhood bunker where the first visible thing is a man's corpse with his head blown off. Even some hardcore military vet or mercenary or psychopath is going to put two-and-two together and walk the frick out. But not you, either because of brazen curiosity or moronation.

                You're the kid who did something really dumb in school and the entire class laughed because they warned you beforehand aren't you?

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, but the issue is - I bought the DLC. Of course I'm going to be curious about the new content.
                I mean I get what Avellone is trying to do here, and it works it the vacuum, but it has the same vibe as those Amazon/Netflix shows going "capitalism bad".

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                In case you haven't noticed, Elijah's the villain and is planning on genociding the entire Mojave. You're not supposed to agree with him and joining him is a bad ending unless you've modded the game

                >remote time delay trigger
                that's not even what it is. Played it recently and there is a line where the courrier clearly ask if the package just started talking as soon it got to the divide, but Ulysse explain that it had to be plugged to one of the nuke's terminal and then it started talking (still no clue why he fixates on it "talking" when every machine in the Fallout universe does).
                I guess the guys in charge of the colony wanted to have access to the huge amount of nukes for self defence/back up their new state, asked the courrier to deliver that old world tech, had no clue what to do, just plugged that bad boy in and blew themself up.
                But that's the main issue with the divide : no world building. Ulysse is on a non stop rant about how it was about to become a new nation, with clear ideals and shit, but nothing is ever explained about those people. From the little told, all I got is that it was another shithole like the thousand that exist all over the wasteland and it was trading with the outside world with the help of the courrier (and other companies I guess, you're not a fricking mule to carry food and shit).
                TLDR, shit writing, no world building

                Whatever the Divide was before it got bombed is not the point of anything that happens in LR. You don't need to know anything more about it than what Ulysses tells you.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                What the Divide was should be exactly the point. The whole fricking rambling of Ulysse is "you're careless with your action and now it's time to pay up" as in, you're delivering something that end up destroying something important, of value (to him at least) because (You) don't care and just go to point A to B.
                I don't care about metahomosexualry, i'm playing an RPG, i'm reading dialogues, pondering the right and wrong of things, i'm invested in the universe i'm influencing with my choices and the stories i'm being told (told, not the story i'm actively building to be tailor made to my liking). In the context of the universe, the Courrier was perfectly aware of his decisions at the Divide pre-nuking : some guys asked him (the Courrier, not (Me) since it all happened before the game began and my actions had any semblance of influence) to do his work which he do to travel the land or earn money to eat, so he'll do it. What happened at the Divide is in no way or shape the Courrier's fault or result of its action, it's the Divide's settlers fault for messing with old powers beyond their understanding.
                Plus when the antagonist keep pulling my leg for blowing up something different from the BULL AND BEAR, i'd like to know if it was indeed different to assert if Ulysse is brain-dead or just moronic (and given they wanted to rearm old world nukes, I guess they were no different from NCR or Legion tier moronation)

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah that's cool but you failed to illustrate what knowing more about the Divide would have added to the story.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                it would have added weight to Ulysse's speech. I can't bring myself to care about his story or motivation since everything the game give me as context just make him more moronic. Knowing what fuel him about this place is pure character develpment.
                But now that my tiredness numbed brain is thinking more about it after completing my last playthrought a few days ago, I can see why it don't matter much knowing about the Divide, but i'll stick to my point that Ulysse main point being "your actions have consequences" when in reality it was the consequences of the Divide settlers of ordering a litteral nuke button is just plain dumb

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Ulysses's speech only has as much weight as makes sense for your character. You can tell him he's full shit basically every time he talks to you, and you might be right depending on how you've played your character. Knowing more about the Divide might actually be detrimental for this reason. Ulysses is supposed to be at least partially wrong; I think a key component of the story of LR is the ambiguity, like you have no reason to believe you were involved in anything that happened in the Divide. The only evidence for it is Ulysses's word. The game providing more solid evidence would leave less room for roleplaying

                At the same time it also reflects things on a meta level whether you like it or not. The Divide as a whole is a piece of pre-war history that you can't fully comprehend, just like the in-game characters couldn't comprehend that pre-war shit is likely to kill everyone just like it already killed everyone. The mistakes of pre-war people were that they were careless about nukes, the mistakes of the Divide people is that they were careless about a civilization that was careless about nukes, the point of LR is that you should know better by now

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Oh yeah I see it now. Guess i'll enjoy the DLC a bit more now. Still think it's a massive step down to the rest of the game and DLCs.
                And meta bullshit only bother me when it's Spec Ops types, the game talks to you the player with a bullshit reasonning. The meta you portrayed is actually the kind I can enjoy, surprised I couldn't see it when playing myself. I guess Ulysse as a character really annoyed me so much I turned deaf and blind to the DLC

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                >the Courrier was perfectly aware of his decisions at the Divide pre-nuking
                False, the game is forcing a backstory on your character without your consent. You know nothing about Divide as a player.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Judging by the choices you have to respond with the actual character doesn't know anything about the Divide either and Ulysses is, in fact, probably making the whole thing up as a metaphor for your current situation

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Yes that's exactly what I said : the Courrier as a character is aware, not me the player. And since the Courrier is a player-character in an RPG, his past should be of no importance to me the player, which this DLC does the whole opposite (Well, the courrier is not aware in the DLC since he forgot everything, but at the time of the delivery, it was just his job)

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Elijah only says “you did it because you were curious or greedy” when you whine about being in the DLC. When people complain about that, acting like its forced on them, its because they didn’t realize that they blindly chose the option to ask for it. Its almost like they’re proving Avellone’s point by insisting on exhausting all the dialogue options not because of role playing, but out of some gamified obligation.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                maybe I'm just a idiot but I recently replayed NV and by extension lonesome road and the whole thing about player knowledge vs character knowledge feels like it really fricks with the lonesome road moral. like he's calling my character a murder hobo for not understanding things, but a lot of the area and items you'd need to fully understand things is shit you'd basically need to be metagaming to find anyways, like the divide specifically has some of the most bizarre, hard to navigate terrain in the entire game and finding his messages is like a fricking easter egg hunt and some of them aren't even visible because they're inside shit. I would basically already need to know everything about the area from reading guides to get his ending that acts like my courier himself actually cares. I dunno it just feels like a really odd narrative, he's both speaking directly to me but also my character specifically and none of the elements feel like they actually make any sense.
                another part of his message seems to be aggravation over the wasteland not improving under either the factions and sort of blaming me for it since I'm just fricking around and not actually working for anything, which is also a fricked up point because its literally not mine or my character's fault, this franchise is basically cursed on a developer level to never actually have real progress. like it feels like all the barking about that is directed at the player and not the writers and designers, even dumber that one of those stupid elements is from this game, specifically from THIS dlc, with those dumbfrick tunnelers who are stated to reset the wasteland again anyways which makes everything I've just done pointless too.
                like everything about the DLC is just b***hing at me for issues with the series itself that I already fricking wish didn't exist in the first place, as time goes on it just feels more and more stupid.

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              Replace moronic with broken by the lesson learned from what happened to the Divide.

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Both the means and the ends of the Legion are unjustified, there are simply better, if imperfect, solutions.
            How are the means & ends unjustified? Genuinely curious.

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            >People blindly assume that because he says "Hegelian dialectic", he falls under the arguably justified category because he simply MUST be intelligent. Caesar is an arrogant moron whose stupid ass was spared execution because he had the good fortune to find one book and to turn it to his advantage.
            What a great way to miss the point. Caesar's argument is that the NCR's internal contradictions (biggest democracy in the wasteland but was actually a dictatorship for 70 years, branhim baron political influence, failure to fully assimilate its tribes leading to disillusionment like with the khans) lead to the material conditions to the fall of the republic. The legion is merely one entity which might be the cause the subsumption of the NCR because certain criteria have been met.
            But ofc there are problems with the hegelian theory of history in itself pointed still in the 19th century, so caesars version of it is bound to trip into some crucial mistakes that he hasnt fixed.

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              And in the end it doesn't matter anymore, because the entirety of NCR got evaporated by a one Vault Tec cuck with a nuke. So the question "where is NCR going to next after Mojave" hit the wall Rian Johnson style.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                If they’re not dead expect a heavily watered down and moronic version of them, since their can’t be any power aside from the BoS that isn’t evil.

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              His issue is that the NCR isn’t a dictatorship, Tandi wasn’t an autocrat, her position relied on the senate and she had to always contend with what they wanted.

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              I'm not talking about Caesar, I'm talking about people's perception of Caesar as an antagonist. Caesar is right about many things, but he's also wrong about several critical things that call the legitimacy of the Legion as a model for civilization into question. He's supposed to be fallible, and my point is simply that people misinterpret this fallibility as a "got'cha".

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                I wonder how many people took Arcade with them to the Fort.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                I did since it’s pretty much one of the few ways that you can earn points to do his companion quest.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                You only need 2 points though. You can get one from walking up to the crashed Vertibird and one from walking into Repcon HQ.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                That I didn’t know, thank you for making me aware.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                The beauty of games back before the internet became mainstream is in a sea of millions, somebody is doing something unconventional and writing it down on a forum somewhere and more people learn about it. I'm sure nobody knew about Rauls quest parameters until it was brought up. Same thing with Lily's audio message.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Dude, NV was released in 2010.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                The web arguably went mainstream 2014-2017. Alternatively, during covid; that was the excuse to go online.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                peak zoomer Holy shit

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                14 years ago, before Facebook truly took off, before twitter, before reddit, capeshit, memes, before anybody could truly afford a variant of smartphone. Compare 2010 an era when the most controversial thing was pastel horses on forums, to now when everybody can make some handwaving tiktok shit and shitpost on Ganker from an Iphone 40.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                >end up listening to Arcade's dialogue while looking for his dialogue about the Fort
                Wow, all of his passive-aggressive, bleeding heart liberal dialogue has been overwritten in my brain with HERE WE GO

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Caesar is bad, you are bad for helping him D:<

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        >He said technology can't solve anything but never made clear what his solution was. Dropping the bombs to start fresh? That already happened once, and nothing changed (war never changes lol).
        Ulysses is on the same level as the Amazon show writers

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          >Amazon tries to ruin LOTR on 3 billion dollar budget
          >LOTR fans and normalgays turn against them its quietly forgotten
          >Amazon and Bethesda try to ruin Fallout on a budget
          >Fallout fans and normalgays are completely divided over blind praise or righteous anger, not ignoring them outright for something thats been happening under Bethesda since 2008

          This year has proven one thing, its that people who worship generic fantasy are smarter than people who play videogames about a franchise that started as unconventional, post apocalyptic scenarios.

  6. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    Seething about not being the main character.

  7. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    >I understand nothing about this character.
    >I'm mad at your blank character because he did something before becoming your blank character that you didn't know until this dlc
    there's nothing to understand, it's fricking moronic because it's forced

  8. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    dlc begging to be taken seriously. insists upon itself

  9. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    hes poorly written so hes asshurt the courier didn't magically know his package was a remote time delay trigger for some nukes a bunch of morons build their houses on top of

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      >remote time delay trigger
      that's not even what it is. Played it recently and there is a line where the courrier clearly ask if the package just started talking as soon it got to the divide, but Ulysse explain that it had to be plugged to one of the nuke's terminal and then it started talking (still no clue why he fixates on it "talking" when every machine in the Fallout universe does).
      I guess the guys in charge of the colony wanted to have access to the huge amount of nukes for self defence/back up their new state, asked the courrier to deliver that old world tech, had no clue what to do, just plugged that bad boy in and blew themself up.
      But that's the main issue with the divide : no world building. Ulysse is on a non stop rant about how it was about to become a new nation, with clear ideals and shit, but nothing is ever explained about those people. From the little told, all I got is that it was another shithole like the thousand that exist all over the wasteland and it was trading with the outside world with the help of the courrier (and other companies I guess, you're not a fricking mule to carry food and shit).
      TLDR, shit writing, no world building

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        Avelleone just wanted the revert back the clock and have a post-apocalpyse setting in his final DLC, so he cooked up THE DIVIDE so he can then nuke it without interfering with the larger worldbuilding. And then made a story around that.
        It's still a more elegant way to do it than how Todd/Amazon did it.

  10. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    >main enemies are just generic zombie men with guns
    >tunnellers are some of the laziest most shit lore in fallout
    >main villain takes an hour to say extremely simplistic boring shit
    >the forced pixar tweeness with ede
    >nobody understands what you’re even talking him out of during the end speech check or why he’s agreeing because his ideology makes no sense
    >ruins the other DLCs which constantly hijack immersion to mention him for no reason

  11. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    >Why does he want to bomb the NCR?
    He believes if he does, the NCR will be exposed to the Legion and they will be wiped out, which will also cause the Legion to be wiped out because they are a war tribe and peace will cause them to implode.
    For the Courier, that part has to be purely meta, unless they really expected you to care about something that happened off camera six years ago. It's about the consequences of doing quests and how they don't always result in a happy ending.

    Ulysses makes more sense when you consider the fact that he was supposed to be the Legion rep for the companions, the things he talks about fits into the role of the character who talks about how the evil faction ain't so bad and you shouldn't blindly trust the good guys.
    The story they had to create to make him the overarching bad guy in the DLCs is the worst part about him, as you yourself know from the fact that you don't get half the bullshit he's spewing.

  12. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like most people just dont want to read or simply know him from the memes.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      I've must've read it at least a thousand times and it just gets more pretentious with every playthrough

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      Outside of a few really dickish dialogue choices I can remember most things said in FNV, but Ulysses is just nonsensical. Which might have been the intent because some dude spray painting shit all over the West Coast about couriers and history would confuse anybody. You don't know him, but he claims to know you better than you do. You can deny anything he says as an actual dialogue option there is no option to actually lie to him. I just accept him as someone deranged who wants his ego and poor choices validated to some end goal, which includes the destruction of millions. So I kill him everytime. Even when I team up with him I do something like kicking him over the edge of The Divide or putting a bullet in his brain at the end. I just can't stand this man.

  13. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    revenge. You unwittingly carried the detonator that set off the divide. He tried to kill you first by refusing the offer for the platinum chip, then expected the Mohave or the Divide to sort you out. Now he wants to first destroy your "home" and try to kill you once it's done, though he seems prepared for you to talk him out of it.

    He's basically the consequence of your player characters "I see a button, I push it" attitude. He's what's left behind when your player character finishes whatever rampage or quest you've done.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      >You unwittingly carried the detonator that set off the divide. He tried to kill you first by refusing the offer for the platinum chip
      Where is any of this explained? Since when is the chip also a detonator? Seems completely contrived

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        >Where is any of this explained?
        Several times throughout the game you hear that there was another courier on your job who turned it down after hearing your name

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          So what specifically did the courier do that was so bad?
          Kinda seems like the writers were too lazy to come up with something definite so they hid behind vagueness

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            You brought detonator to Divide
            Ulysses didn't like it

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        The chip isn't the detonator. The delivery of the detonator to the divide is a separate incident in respect to the delivery of the platinum chip
        It is explained in the Lonesome Road DLC via dialog with Ulysses

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          >The delivery of the detonator to the divide is a separate incident in respect to the delivery of the platinum chip
          Ok so the courier accidently delivered some detonator to the divide that set off a bomb.
          Still seems needlessly vague. Why was this detonator delivered, who was beyond it? The legion? None of this is clearly spelled out for the obvious reason that the writers themselves has no idea and where you just making up bullshit.
          I played through dlc twice before and maybe there's some explanation hidden away but the fact that I can't remember it ever been clearly explained speaks to the weakness of the writing

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            from what I understand the issue is less the actual act of what you've done and the couriers lack of consideration of it. like in just mindlessly delivering a package you've caused untold destruction, not directly but as an indirect cause of mindlessly following orders.
            the DLC seems to just be a big commentary on how players just follow what quests tell them to do. how fair any of that is or if it makes any actual sense in an in-world perspective is up for debate though. the game's total jankiness makes it so trying to freeball a lot of quests is a fricking moronic idea and ultimately just makes it so you have to rigidly follow quest steps without thinking so this entire point they're trying to wax poetic on is more or less their own fault.

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              It's a commentary on people following things without understanding them. Ulysses berates you for it of course, but he also calls out the NCR and Legion for doing the same. So it's not necessarily a commentary so much as it as a character that's focused on history and is caught up in trying to make sure history doesn't repeat itself through ignorance

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                But Ulysses has a very weird take on it. NCR sent you to the Divide specifically so they can UNDERSTAND what the Navarro thingamajig does. If they remained blissfully ignorant, none of it would've happened. And yet the Bearbull man calls you out on being ignorant, therefore a tragedy happened.
                No motherfricker, the tragedy happened, because nobody wanted to STAY ignorant.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                I honestly don't remember the NCR being involved. Either way, it seems like Ulysses is more upset at you for what you're doing in the present than what he claims you did in the past; in his mind it shows you learned nothing

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                >I honestly don't remember the NCR being involved
                I don't remember it being mentioned either, but it's definitely implied
                Who else is able and willing to send something of US/Enlcave technology from Navarro to the Long 15

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Ulysses talks as if the Divide was some sort of pet project of yours, like some trading post you established that turned into a settlement. This trading post also coincidentally happened to be sitting on top of some pre-war tech. So following the story, you'd have motivation to head to Navarro and look for stuff that might make you able to take advantage of said tech

                Of course this is a sign that Ulysses is lying, because you don't know about Navarro or the Enclave when Arcade is talking about them with you, so who knows what really happened?

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                You never found that detonator in the Navarro, NCR did and they hired you to deliver it to the Divide, like you did it a thousand times already.
                As with everything Ulysses, he's saying that your created the Divide by accident (by opening them to the NCR trade) and destroyed it by accident as well.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                You asked who else was willing and able; I provided an answer

                >The Courier was a courier and carried packages
                >NOOOO MY PLAYER AGENCY

                I don't think you should take Ulysses words literally

                Yeah, I think Ulysses's entire story is made up. Your player character appears to know nothing about it and is never shown to be amnesiac otherwise.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                In several choices you admit that you delivered that package
                It's literally was an ordinary package, no different from any other

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Your player character appears to know nothing about it
                Or most likely, he doesn't care and doesn't even remember this delivery because he has done so many already. It's a literal case of "for me it was Tuesday".

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                How does the Courier not care about blowing up the town he helped establish by finding the route it's on though?

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                The Courier just didn't know
                You delivered the package and moved on
                Besides, we don't even know what Courier was thinking about Divide
                He just went back and forth and did his job

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Because he doesn't connect the dots. He doesn't care about either "creating" the settlement, because he's just delivering mail and isn't directly responsible, or about destorying it, because he's just delivering mail and isn't directly responsible. It's like being a shop attendant and selling some lady you vaguely know a toaster. They you hear she died. Oh, well, a shame, but it's not like it's your business. Then few months later you realize her husband hired assassins to kill you, because the toaster you sold her exploded, killing her.
                That's Lonesome Road in a nutshell.

                Fricking kek, bros. This is from the same guy who wrote The Nameless One?

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Because he doesn't connect the dots. He doesn't care about either "creating" the settlement, because he's just delivering mail and isn't directly responsible, or about destorying it, because he's just delivering mail and isn't directly responsible. It's like being a shop attendant and selling some lady you vaguely know a toaster. They you hear she died. Oh, well, a shame, but it's not like it's your business. Then few months later you realize her husband hired assassins to kill you, because the toaster you sold her exploded, killing her.
                That's Lonesome Road in a nutshell.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                ulysses works off the assumption your courier is purely neutral and just does whatever asked of them. basically the second you actually do anything purely good and check back in on the person afterwards it completely breaks his logic, like for example if you rushed into the tops, killed benny, took the chip, then handed it over to house everything from that point forward is purely the courier doing shit AFTER his job was finished of his own free will. ulysses logic doesn't really work in that case, which is why if you have a high faction rating you can kind of bullshit your way though his shit. the biggest issue with him is that you basically need to have all his tapes and a massive speech score to prove to him you actually do care, which considering that you're basically at the end of the game when you should encounter him is utter bullshit, that absolutely nothing leading to this point really mattered and it was just some collectathon and a bullshittily high skill check that convinced him.
                I think his core idea is interesting but the game doesn't really have enough freedom to make it work properly, you basically could've spent the entire game doing nothing but helping people but he'll still give you the big spiel about how you're an butthole who doesn't think about anything

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                There are actually 4 ways you can talk Ulyssess down: by having enough faction rep, by having enough speech, by finding all the tapes or by finding all the ED-E upgrades.
                Also, Ulyssess is a homosexual that's obssessed with an idea that one man can change a course of history and he's latching onto you, because you once changed the history he cares about.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                We hear nothing of the Courier's personal level of investment though. Was the Courier the Mayor, the potentate, an elected official, a soldier protecting it or even a merchant? No, just somebody passing by and delivering things to them. For all we know, they did it to 4 other towns along the West Coast from Nevada to Oregon or even Montana.

                This guy said it in a better way.

                Because he doesn't connect the dots. He doesn't care about either "creating" the settlement, because he's just delivering mail and isn't directly responsible, or about destorying it, because he's just delivering mail and isn't directly responsible. It's like being a shop attendant and selling some lady you vaguely know a toaster. They you hear she died. Oh, well, a shame, but it's not like it's your business. Then few months later you realize her husband hired assassins to kill you, because the toaster you sold her exploded, killing her.
                That's Lonesome Road in a nutshell.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Framing it that way actually made what was said click for me. Thanks, anon.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                >We hear nothing of the Courier's personal level of investment though
                That’s up to the player, you can decide whether you delivered the package and just forget whether due to it being insignificant/head trauma or if Ulysses is just a schizo blaming you for something someone else did.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                >The Courier was a courier and carried packages
                >NOOOO MY PLAYER AGENCY

                I don't think you should take Ulysses words literally

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                If I'm expecting a package and some butthole opens it beforehand because of moral curiosity I'm going to be upset. The commentary is shit because the job the Courier is subscribed to doesn't involve personal input.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                >It's a commentary on people following things without understanding them.
                >In a game that is largely single objective based and you can ignore context completely.
                >All of the inciting events for this commentary take place before the events of the game and you have to accept them on faith.
                >Oh, also the game is about letting go.
                >In a game focused on scrounging, collecting, and hoarding as much as you can.
                >DLC using this as its big sticking point also allows you to exploit the game and take the gold anyway.
                Chris Avellone is the biggest hack in gaming.

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            It was the detonator from Navarro. NCR couldn't make sense of it and send it to people from the Divide (who at that point was a proto-NCR state anyway) to study it, because it had some Hopeville markings on them. The Divide people studied it so hard it blew them up.

  14. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    He hates the old world most of all because it destroyed everything. The NCR is trying to bring back the old world in every up and down. He doesn't really like the legion as a personal thing because his tribe was betrayed but he's not super upset about it. He expects them to suffer from the same overexpanding problems of the NCR if they win tho which is entirely possible after Joshua accidentally an entire generation of recruits.

  15. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    I just view him as someone who's gone mad because of nearly being killed by a nuclear bomb and the subjugation of his tribe

  16. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    Obsidian ''writing''
    >bro, a guy delivered a chipperino?
    >frick that guy, I will now go into a dangerous fenced off area full of world ending new mutants
    >and I'll spray paint some shit on the entrance
    >gee, I hope the amnesiac courier who has no idea who I am and what my problem is finds some spray paint on a random door in the desert
    >aha, the courier fell into my a trap and walked through the door
    >now I will tell him about the bear and the bull and the bear and the bull
    >this will make him so mad he will go into the dangerous area to seek me out so I can talk to him in person
    >finally, after 10 hours of gameplay shooting building sized mutants you have arrived, now I will talk to you...here it is, my great philosophy.......both sides are........le bad
    >gets shot in the face and dies
    Bravo

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      >too moronic to argue like a human being
      >can only give reductive irony poisoned
      This is why you morons always fail.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      >i saw a tribe braiding their hairs, changing their way of speaking and painting their faces to emulate me

      Because he doesn't connect the dots. He doesn't care about either "creating" the settlement, because he's just delivering mail and isn't directly responsible, or about destorying it, because he's just delivering mail and isn't directly responsible. It's like being a shop attendant and selling some lady you vaguely know a toaster. They you hear she died. Oh, well, a shame, but it's not like it's your business. Then few months later you realize her husband hired assassins to kill you, because the toaster you sold her exploded, killing her.
      That's Lonesome Road in a nutshell.

      top kek. this is actually an accurate summary of what nv-gays think is good writing.

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think you have much of a leg to stand on.

  17. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    You shouldn't care about this, because nothing that happens on the West Coast matters anymore.

  18. 5 days ago
    Anonymous
  19. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    Ulysses is like Kreia or Ravel. He's projecting his own issues onto the player to the point player has to point out the obvious. It's one of Avellone's signature tricks that he's been doing since Torment.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      You hit the nail on the head. Ulysses is Kreia but he isn't a companion choice or Jedi mind linked to you so the "I know you" shit completely falls apart because the player doesn't know what the frick he's talking about nor gives a shit.

  20. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    1. He's Schizo. 2. He's a tribal. 3. He joined the Legion.

    None of these are condusive to good societal traits. He was tamed for a tiny bit, then went nuts when his hometown was destroyed. I think they should have made it a legion x NCR fight that caused it to blow, thus making him want to take them all down. And to make it clear post-game DLC content, with your faction sending you off to save us.

  21. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    Equating game choices to RL choices is always dumb. It's no more intelligent than some basic "you killed the evil generic bandit npc, but oh no! bandit npc babies you've orphaned! you nasty gamer you, you've fallen into my tricky little trap!"
    It's the domain of writers who really think they're more clever than you and they're just annoying.

  22. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    Why people don't understand the courier and Ulysses had sex?
    It's the only thing that makes sense as why is he acting the way he is.
    Pretty sure some of the tapes even indirectly suggest that if you pay attention.

  23. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    His voice was too tryhard, maybe obsidian had watched too many anime

  24. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    he's black and angry

  25. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    You, the Courier, carried packages through Divide without realising their meaning
    You unknowingly created Divide and destroyed it
    Just like he carried the flag of the old world on his back without realising its true meaning which eventually saved his life
    Now he wants to destroy NCR because he believes that Legion will destroy itself without his help, he wants to destroy everything
    He's fatalist
    But he doesn't mind being proven wrong and even in the event of his death he wishes you to realise the true meaning of the flag you stand for and go into the future with your head held high
    Now that I think about it, he's not even a villain. He's just trying to prevent you from making the same mistakes he did. He doesn't want you to blindly follow the flag

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      Post more art or your best save file will get corrupted.

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous
      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        no
        I delete all my saves after each playthrough

  26. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    Avellone is a moronic edgy hack

  27. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    >I don't understand Ulysses
    >An entire thread of people with walls of text arguing about what Ulysses was even about
    New Vegas proves to be a masterpiece once again

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      More like trash because it was written so poorly that nobody can even agree on what this fricking guy's deal was

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        >I need developers to explicitly and directly tell me what I should think about this character

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          no, dumbass. "what you think of the character" is what comes AFTER you understand the character's motivations and actions. nobody can even get that far with Ulysses because he was written by a hack. that's why these threads are ALWAYS like this one. and somehow this is considered a good thing when new vegas does it because, oh wow look at how much we can "discuss"!

  28. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    Do you guys want to discuss Fallout 4 and the Institute instead?

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      Sure I'd be down, it'd be more interesting than dragging more tired BGS whining into the thread like some colossal fricking homosexual

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      GO AWAY EMIL YOU RUINED FALLOUT SHOW! RUINED IT!

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      the fact that theres so much shit people can discuss in NV versus absolutely nothing of note in fo4 is so damning for 4. like the best anyone in a 4 thread can come up with is the idea nate/nora could've been a synth the whole time, but not only is that theory disproved multiple times within the games even if it was true 4's narrative is so stupid that the MC being a robot wouldn't even make a difference.

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        The only part of 4 I desire to discuss if the fact the main protag is rail roaded into to everything and everyone's bullshit, even when becoming overboss it sounds fun as hell on paper but in execution it's lame and fizzles out really quick and with no ending achievable via being the bandit king it just makes it even more hollow and ends up making you a shit ton of useless cash

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        He dresses up a lot of his talk in fanciness but he's really just pissed that you blew up the Divide and wants to get revenge. You can convince him not to, I think the way you convince him not to if you listened to his holotapes is by telling him that he's contradicting himself by saying that technology is not the solution and then trying to use the nukes to blow other things up.
        I think what he also wants to blow up depends on your faction allegiance, but your allegiance depends on how good your relations are with most factions. If you're working for House but you have an Idolized reputation with the NCR then the game considers that you're siding with the NCR.

        That's because most people are aware that the factions suck and aren't well-written. The Institute is responsible for most of the Commonwealth being shit by completely fricking up any attempts at creating a government (killed every representative that got together to form one), by raiding settlements with synths (University Point), by replacing people with synth infiltrators for and by being singlehandedly responsible for the massive super mutant populations by kidnapping people and using FEV on them, and you're still supposed to "give them a chance" because your character's son is their leader and he is very personally invested in your character becoming the director, which is a very shitty cop-out by trying to emotionally blackmail the player into giving a reason to side with the objectively bad guys without just saying "yeah we're the bad guys, frick it" like Caesar's Legion did (and even then they WERE supposed to be more fleshed out, but New Vegas didn't have a lot of development time). And then the Brotherhood of Steel rolls around and they absolutely hate synths because... uh... TECHNOLOGY ABUSE! As they carry a giant robot with eye lasers and mini-nukes around, and also frick any unique characterization they received in Fallout 3. And the Railroad are oh look there's the word limi

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      the fact that theres so much shit people can discuss in NV versus absolutely nothing of note in fo4 is so damning for 4. like the best anyone in a 4 thread can come up with is the idea nate/nora could've been a synth the whole time, but not only is that theory disproved multiple times within the games even if it was true 4's narrative is so stupid that the MC being a robot wouldn't even make a difference.

      Any discussion of Fallout 3/4 ends with
      >It doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it and any possible explanation is stupid and creates even more plot holes
      >REEEEEEE troony troony troony troony

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      I'm afraid I wouldn't understand

  29. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    >be a simple mailman
    >deliver a letter to a person's house, because it's my job
    >said letter apparently was a bomb and blew up the neighborhood
    >this is somehow all my fault and not the company's for failing to properly do a security check or tell me the package was dangerous
    >some dude wants to kill me over tjis and keeps talking about bulls. I guess he's what you call a cuck?
    >meet the dude in person
    >no idea what the frick he's saying, but he's got some cool stuff
    >blow his head off and take his loot
    >go back home

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      Lesson learned, people who do their jobs are buttholes.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      its a shame theres no 1 int option where Ulysses realizes you really have no fricking clue whats happening and this big elaborate set up was for a literal moron, and he just fricking kills himself on the spot

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        If that was FO2, that absolutely would've been an option.
        >WITHIN THE STORMS OF THE DIVIDE THE BULL AND THE BEAR ENTER HEADFIRST IGNORANT OF WHO THEY ARE WALKING THE ROAD THAT DOESN'T LEAD TO A ROAD WHO ARE YOU WHO DO NOT KNOW YOUR HISTORY
        >...guh?
        And then Ulysses realizes he's been ranting entire novels worth of dialogue to some INT 1 moron who doesn't even comprehend alphabet.

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          In Arcanum, you can get to the city of mages who've been expecting you for millenia and they are all baffled at how you could be an idiot.
          >Uhghuh? Huh?
          >[The old, wizened figure appears startled.] You are an imbecile! This was not foreseen!
          and
          >wait, you are an idiot. How can this be? How can you be an idiot?

          The real treasure though is one of the villains who you can meet only if you are on the evil path and requires you to murder a village full of innocent people. He's fully voiced and absolutely loses it if you can barely speak

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            moron runs need to make a comeback. That shit was too good. Unfortunately, everybody's pushing full voice acting now, so our only hope is in AI.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      reminder that the courier also delivered tons of packages to the Divide when it was a settlement, which helped it to prosper in the first place. i'm sure there's some wicked sick platitude about knowing your own history that makes this rape of your player agency seem really cool, actually.

  30. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    He's a character in a new vegas dlc.

  31. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    He’s just a schizo

  32. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    BEARBULLBEARBULLBEARBULBEARBULLBEARBULLBEARBULL

  33. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    He's an extremely traumatized spearchucker who did terrible shit and has seen the world he loved get nuked to oblivion by a single mailman-- and it wasn't even the mailman's fault

  34. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    The writers didn't know what his point was either. Every new playthrough I do LR first so I can plug this moron ASAP. Thanks for the duster, loser

  35. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    fallout after 1 is all terrible, play fallout 1 and ignore the shitquels

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      Fallout 1 fricking sucks. Shit combat and no content.

  36. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    >Caesar and Vulpes are responsible for Ulysses tribe being destroyed from an identity and cultural perspective as well as a population based one since the dissenters were killed and their bodies placed alongside a bridge (if I'm remembering)
    >he doesn't try to kill them directly

    This is a bigger plothole than anything else in the game. Sure it can't happen for story reasons but they could've made up some excuse. Graham expected Ulysses and I doubt he had any real hand in the Twisted Hairs destruction.

  37. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    I'm sick of seeing this goddamn image

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      It's weird seeing without Fallout New Vegas thread in the subject and the post saying
      >What the frick was his problem?

  38. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    >character stares into the screen and fully explains their motivations and ideology to the player for 40 minutes
    >people to this day still don’t understand

    You know I’m not even surprised new vegas fans couldn’t read left to right on a fricking chalkboard

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Bear bull two heads both the same becoming one lessons learned

      He talks like a r/philosophy luker with a labotomy, can you really be surprised people didn't understand?

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      I can understand morons that doesn't mean I agree with them or tolerate them or can suppress my desire to euthanize them.

  39. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    I don't have a problem with characters berating me, as long as I get to kill them.
    Frick your essential npcs Todd

  40. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    I don't see what's so difficult to understand. Ulysses is a consequence of the action Courier unwittingly comitted once and plays into that "one man can unwillingly change the course of history" theme.
    The only issue is that the Courier made this action offscreen and with no player input, but I guess making the player commit an unwilling act of destruction and then building an entire DLC around it would be a b***h to program.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      >The only issue is that the Courier made this action offscreen
      I don't like it either, but it does reinforce this feeling of "Huh, I don't remember doing that." in both the Courier and the player. Maybe that was the goal on a meta level.

  41. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    Ulysses is a moron. His beef should be with whoever sent the package not knowing what it would do, not the person who delivered it. The whole DLC feels like he's grasping at straws to try and pin the blame on someone he can actually reach, even though you're basically a 3rd party to the the events of the divide. The only reason people even still talk about him is because he was written as an annoying pseud who uses a million words to say absolutely fricking nothing.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      He's projecting, because remember, he's a courier as well and he was the one who found Vegas and informed Caesar about it.
      So just as you unwittingly blew up the Divide, Ulysses unwittingly kickstarted the NCR-Legion war. So that's why he's giving this whole "Couriers like us can change history, can't they Courier?" spiel.

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        This faction affinity is totally fricked, because it's virtually impossible to get the Yes Man affinity, because the game considers that "neutral towards every single faction" and you fricking well know that's now how faction affinity in the Yes Man route works. I think there is a mod that fixes that, that tracks your affinity AND faction quest progress to have a clearer picture.

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          Meant for

          He doesn't want to bomb the NCR, he wants to bomb whichever faction out of NCR and Legion you have the most affinity with. It's usually NCR because it's hard to get the Legion affinity without going full Roman.
          The reason why he wants to do it is because he is seething at you for unknowingly destroying the Divide.

  42. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    FENCE SITTERS WILL BE SHOT
    AND WHERE THEIR CORPSE LANDS WILL BE THEIR DECISION

  43. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    He doesn't want to bomb the NCR, he wants to bomb whichever faction out of NCR and Legion you have the most affinity with. It's usually NCR because it's hard to get the Legion affinity without going full Roman.
    The reason why he wants to do it is because he is seething at you for unknowingly destroying the Divide.

  44. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    I replayed that DLC few times at least and actually went through patiently reading and listening everything there is and still have no fricking idea what that Black person was about. Shit feels completely random to me and make 0 sense.

  45. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    He's the hero of schizophrenic eslgays everywhere

  46. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    Ulysses hate on the Courier is much like boomer's hate on Torrent protocols. They don't understand that a Torrent is just a method of transport for files. Just like the Courier is just a method of transport for parcels. Ulysses is genuinely upset that people are working and the outcome of their work is the socio-economic environment of the divide.

  47. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    I like there is an option to always say that you have no idea of what's he talking about. I am not the courier you're looking for

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      It's kinda weird to base a fully-fledged DLC on a delusional obsessive stalker.

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