I wanna like this but every time I start it up I hate it.

I wanna like this but every time I start it up I hate it. I just want to get to the part where I don't have to engage with the dogshit boring battle mechanics and can just enjoy the cool story. What do?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    play the sequel on PS2, it's mostly cutscenes and a little combat between them.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not a sequel.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    if you don't want to play games don't come here, just watch playthroughs like the rest of zoomers do

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    was this the shit jrpg where all you did was look at paintings?

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes it's shit.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >with the dogshit boring battle mechanics
    unfortunately you just have to deal with the dogshit boring battle mechanics.
    at least the environments are cool to walk around.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Brah, I've been in this sewer for far too long.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        oh, the sewers sucks ass.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I played it for 6 hours today. The only part that felt like a slog was the first 'dungeon' where you pilot a gear. There's an extremely long fucking hallway with nothing in it and no music. And before that, on the Aveh tank that gets attacked by Bart's pirates, I would have loved a multi-target ability.
    But it's not that bad. Typical JRPG stuff. The animations for Fei and Citan's little martial arts moves are good and it's basically satisfying to beat the shit out of random encounters.
    The story is good too, like the localization, and the anime cutscenes with voice acting.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Give it another few hours and I reckon you'll be see what I mean

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        what changes

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          More boring slogging and the mechanics grow tedious, each battle becomes another frustrating impediment to story progression without any of the release of satisfying combat.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's how it is now so I wish you'd give more detail. What mechanics? I would think the battles go faster with three party members who continually get more abilities.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Things like the attacks are always the same, the HP recovery seems imbalanced and the escape mechanic is inconsistent. The enemies aren't intriguing, I get no sense of achievement from levelling. The battles don't feel dynamic. I can only do a the same old combos, a the same old spells and heal.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    emulate and use cheats.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Better than gay Fantasy
    Takahashi really manned up here

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Come over to my house and watch me play because I am 12 hours in on a blind playthrough and I am loving it so far. Mechanics are just basic turn based stuff but combos are fun and mecha battles have fucking giant robots but the story is pretty great so far.

    I remember trying a few years ago and dropping it after 3 hours a few years ago though.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Do you have Elly back in your party by that point? Cause I don't want to take Bart around if I don't have to, he's a bitch. For that matter the whole pirates can screw off with their desert kingdom with their stupid butler. Fei hasn't complained yet about getting roped into this crap, one minute he's trying to move Weltall away from Lahan and the next minute he's being recruited to help a royal take back his thrown to find a gemstone that will show the way to a mythical mech. Darn guy still needs to grieve and he knows of at least one mysterious stranger who's overtly manipulating him to KILL GOD in his own words by putting him into situations where he gets more powerful. The last goddamned thing he needs is a god-killing mech and this coddled twerp whose name is literally an anagram for brat is up his butt and Citan isn't goddamn helping. Stupid Butler named House on the verge of holding his mouth open and forcing him to drink tea. Someone needs to help Fei and only Elly and her pussy can do it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't want to say too much but you meet Elly again and learn she's in the same situation as you and all the pressure to save a Kingdom results in Fei feeling like you do which was amazing

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bart gets his shit pushed in pretty soon.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    same. so fucking boring im still backlogging it 20 years later.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    is this some new zoomer opinion or some shit?

    i distintctly rememeber 10 years ago this fucking website ITSELF sucked this game off as the second coming of christ no game pun intended

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Different standards for JRPGs I guess. I'm impressed how many people itt are playing it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        im for it
        i used to think the game was the best in the world, but i realized the story got carried by mitsudas music that played behind it and if you muted the game its really just evangelion esque in story

        so yea

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I like it so far, I don't think it's bad. Comparing it to other jrpgs? I need to beat it first of all, and all that other stuff I played on ps1 was a long time ago, but I can already tell the story is better than lots of games.
          It's a very good example of a jrpg. Theres a meme of "end the adventure by killing god", I mean in this game the villain literally says those words that you're supposed to kill god. And then the trope of the village getting destroyed at the beginning, you've got a little twist on that too where it's Fei himself who does it. I thought that was emotionally powerful, executed well, and the exchange between him and Elly as well. It does a great job getting us invested in his character.
          So in that sense it seems like a plot that's self-conscious of what it is, and that's another marker that it's a story being executed at a pretty high level for what it is. The party members are all flawed. Their personalities come through well in the dialogue. The plot has a tight scope, with big revelations foreshadowed clearly to you if you're paying attention. Like Citan, whatever's going on with him, it's not hidden at all, it's just unclear.
          I know it has always been considered at the top of the genre because of its story. The complaints I'm seeing (and feeling) are just for typical jrpg shit like too many random encounters that are too simple. That's what I mean by standards changing. Young people don't like that as much, you can see it a lot on this site in threads complaining about turn-based systems as a whole for example.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't mind turn based combat, honestly. It's just got to many rough edges. Why do enemies stand back so that they can die? Why do I need sometimes 3 or 4 attempts to escape? Why is the sewer sequence even in the fucking game? Ugh. Seems like the story would have been better served as a fmv film tbqh.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The music is okay, I dont think it is capable of carrying though

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          There are a lot of Japanese stories based on Gnosticism

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      My opinion on the game has changed over the years.
      Back in 1998-2001 I raved about it.

      I still think the story is fantastic, one of the best in videogames. But even then it's uneven and not consistently great all the way. For people who don't understand what "pacing" is, Xenogears is a perfect example of a game that has a lot of seemingly careless, uneven pacing (in both gameplay and story). And it's true that I get bored as fuck with the gameplay. I remember back in 1998, after having being playing mostly ATB, tactical turn-based RPGs, or realtime and RTwP, I thought the simpler "CTB" style system in Xenogears was a nice change of pace. (Especially next to FF9 which has one of the shittiest ATB implementations in the FF series). But today, I just get bored. It's fun watching the animations but in general the combat is just too tedious.

      What you're seeing is that the game is unique. There's really no other game like it and it really made an impression on a lot of fans. They've probably not played the game in years nor seen much in the way of criticism for it. At some point they stuck it on their list of best games ever and it's been there ever since.

      im for it
      i used to think the game was the best in the world, but i realized the story got carried by mitsudas music that played behind it and if you muted the game its really just evangelion esque in story

      so yea

      Nah the story is good, even if the quality isn't consistent. Great characters, great conflicts, great villains, great drama, really good (if perhaps over-rated) world-building, with a very solid development of the two main characters (Fei and Elly). Plus it's full of cool mecha shit. Plot and pacing get fucky and there's a lot of pastiche and a kitchen-sink mentality with cramming in half-baked story ideas that could have used more refinement. The story is a bit morally dubious*, but kind of gets away with it. The conclusion is pretty satisfying if you can make it to the end.

      *Fei as Id has committed multiple genocides and this is just kind of forgotten by the end

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        so what your retarded ass is saying, is that its evangelion esque like the dude said?
        got it

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          only if you have autism. there are superficial similarities like mecha and a red-haired girl from not-germany and various other nods to the genre. but otherwise not similar at all.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            wouldnt autism give him the powers to deduce that?
            i think you mean retarded

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            i dont think the guy is insulting evangelion when he said it dude

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Elly is way better than Asuka.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Evangelion wasn't written by a Gnostic who feel in love with his wife during a acid co-trip.

          Better than gay Fantasy
          Takahashi really manned up here

          Takahashi has balls, but is a little too Kojima for my tastes, especially how stuff CONSTANTLY gets re-used and the autistic info bombs. At least he learned to let it go and let the rest of the company do most of the work.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm the 12 hours in guy but I'm pretty sure the religious references actually mean something whereas in Evangelion Anno just added them because they sounded cool. (Ain't nothing wrong with that either)

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >evangelion esque
          have a nice day

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I’m about 35 hours in and I’m told I’m near the second disc. There have been a few minutes where either a black screen or a still image have popped up and told me what happened instead of showing me. The combat didn’t get any better, and I like turn based RPGs. The has remained interesting, but I’m really pushing myself to get through it.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fucking lmao same
    Xenogears is such a visual novel gone rogue it's hilarious

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah this game is greater than the sum of its parts. It somehow redeems itself by the very end, despite all the shit you plow through.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >decided finally, fuck it
    >just read a summary of the story
    >kabbalah shit
    >power of love
    >earth is saved blah blah
    Yeah, overated garbage.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    As a kid I had a save at the last boss just to hear the song in the credits. Play it with fast forward and use save states in Tower of Babel. Can’t imagine anyone in 2022 playing this on original hardware.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I am playing it on original hardware in 2022. I’m not enjoying the gameplay, but I really want to see the story. I’m 40 hours in and apparently at the last area before disc 2.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I don't have to engage with the dogshit boring battle mechanics
    I don't understand why everyone has this opinion. The battle system is fucking badass

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's really boring once you get over watching the long animations.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you don't like the game you honestly don't deserve to play Ganker unless it's too modern for you. It was highly regarded in its time from people who don't even like jarpigs or FF and the staff went on to have a very successful company. You're missing something important personally if you can't stomach it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can you imagine if people complaining about it never knew you could learn combos.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can you imagine if people complaining about it never knew you could learn combos.

      There's almost no variety or balance. Almost every foot encounter is just grinding out physical attacks from each party member, one enemy at a time, over and over again. You don't get access to any AoE damage until halfway through the game when actually group up with Elly substantially. Combos are rarely practical unless an enemy counters deathblows and only deathblows. Rico is clearly not balanced at all, it seems like he was envisioned to be a slow, heavy-hitter but in fact he is just slow.

      Gear combat is similarly repetitive, most of the time just using a standard deathblow pattern to make efficient use of fuel. Elly's aerods can be extremely powerful with enough ether stat boosting and sometimes Bart's Wild Smile gives you an auto-win. But really, most battles just boil down to "weak attack, weak attack, deathblow, repeat," the only real question is whether you turn on the turbo booster or not.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This sums up my feelings quite well. There’s essentially no customization either like most of the Final Fantasy games.
        I’m at disc 2 now, and I’m excited for endless cutscenes. Not sarcasm, I’m really enjoying the story.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I’m at disc 2 now, and I’m excited for endless cutscenes. Not sarcasm, I’m really enjoying the story.
          This was my sentiment exactly back in 1998 when I played it originally. I actually enjoyed the combat well enough at first but after ~40 hours I was ready to just watch the story unfold.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I mean, the foot combat is fine. I love the sprite animation and all the cool deathblows, but dungeons are maze like, and robot battles are boring. Also some of the last few bosses have been pretty shitty. I don’t wanna spoil for the people aren’t as far as me, but one involves a robot and a tether and the other you have to fight the same 4 things twice in a row. That honestly felt like it was just wasting my time.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Decent game. Geat music and graphic

        This sums up my feelings quite well. There’s essentially no customization either like most of the Final Fantasy games.
        I’m at disc 2 now, and I’m excited for endless cutscenes. Not sarcasm, I’m really enjoying the story.

        Nailed it, combat is some of the worst in the genre. FF1, DQ1 are more fun and dynamic.

        weak attacks do 10 damage for 1 AP, medium attacks do 20 damage for 2 AP, and strong attacks do 30 damage for 3AP.

        WWWWWW = 60 damage in 6AP.
        MMM = 60 damage in 6AP
        SS = 60 damage in 6AP

        Wow! Such awesome combos, feels just like a fighting game!

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Except for rico where if you try to use his strong attacks he'll just fucking whiff.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I’m not a fan of the combat, but that’s not how it works at all. There’s a guide that explains the damage calculation on Gamefaqs well, but X attacks do 4 for the first hit to 5 times as much damage as triangle, not 3. The trade off is worse accuracy.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Oh, boy. All this stuff was apparent to me after playing for 6 hours. Well I'm still going to continue. Having Elly's area attacks should make it go faster, so should using Citan (cause speed) and speed rings, and knowing which combos have the fastest animations.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't get me wrong, as I said, I wanna like it and I'm sad that I don't, but I'm not gonna lie to myself and deny that it's a shit game play experience. The story seems cool, but it's delivered in a package which is the equivalent of someone mumbling in a foreign language with a lisp and stutter.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't really like it and I don't really like FFVII, either. I like Lunar and Front Mission and Suikoden, though.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is it really just 70 hours of Evangelion with less subtlety?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's miles above Evangelion in every way

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        See I think the game play is so trash that I prefer NGE. I'd much rather the filler of gospelgoop than trudge through the encounters of xgears

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The thing is
      Because its a video game
      You don't need filler scenes or filler episodes. That means if you have the vision and budget, the "anime" part of the plot is going to be the high quality episodes of what would be a 26 episode anime, and the combat/gameplay fills out the rest.

      Xenoblade 2 has similar ideas. But its a fucking shitty game because you basically spend the first 4 chapters without real access to gameplay mechanics, and the story is somewhat awful until chapter 7.
      That means the game has 6/10 chapters with "good" gameplay, but its more like 4 of 10 chapters because the fucking Gacha system ruins the possibility of a good setup, and the story is only good for the last 3 chapters.
      If the combat and exploration was better, it could have started being good somewhere in chapter 2, and just have been a ramp upward as it took advantage of its world building to keep going towards the batshit insane finale.
      Instead Xenoblade 2 is closer to "70 hours of EVA" than "10-15 hours of insane story + 40-50 hours of insane gameplay".

      I still need to play Xenogears, so I can't tell where it falls.
      But my experience with Monolith Software is that they take their symbolism for deeper implementations than Gainax do.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >eva
      >subtlety
      pick one

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >story
    Just go watch tv for fucks sake. The story in Xenogears isn't even explained. You need to read external sources to understand wtf happens.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      External sources aren't necessary to understand the story. There's a lot of detail not present in the game, but all the major conflicts are explained and resolved sufficiently.

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