I wanted to replay redemption again and wanted to ask. Are there any mods for this game that are worthwhile to install? Also, I've seen some VN on steam; are any of them interesting to snoop in?
I was not aware there are mods for Redemption. I liked the story of original but dungeons were so tiring and repetitive.
If anyone know a good story-oriented mod for Redemption, I'd like to ask the same thing.
Dunno about redemption mods I only ever used some patches to fix the UI. The VNs are quite shitty, but the create your own adventure games are quite good, I'd rank them like this: >1. Parliament of Knives: Pure Camarilla intrigue kino, you can barely tell what is true and needs more than one playthrough to piece together the whole scheme. 5 playable clans: Ventrue, Toreador, Nosferatu, Lasombra and Malkavian (last two are DLC). Also has kindred-sister "incest". >2. Night Road: Adventure through the desert as a Courier during second inquisition raids, you can hoard quite a bit of power and even diablerize a methuselah. Lots of available clans though some of them are locked behind DLC I think.
3. Out for Blood: Hunter story, you are a human coming back to your hometown while strange happenings are about. You can choose to join the supernatural, study it or hunt it down. Sad thing is that it is quite linear but has some interesting stuff like a True Faith mechanic.
There's another one but I didn't play it because it has very bad reviews.
0 expectations (including release) is the best advice I can give. The only mistake I make is still believing I'll somehow get to hear new music from Rik
>a good video game
Good combat, good story, good graphics, good characters. Unlike to get this, but it's possible. You'd have to be stupid to expect this though. >a good VTMB successor
Basically impossible because VTMB has a unique atmosphere that is almost impossible to replicate, combined with charming characters with facial animations that were a decade ahead of the curve.
>a good video game
Good combat, good story, good graphics, good characters. Unlike to get this, but it's possible. You'd have to be stupid to expect this though. >a good VTMB successor
Basically impossible because VTMB has a unique atmosphere that is almost impossible to replicate, combined with charming characters with facial animations that were a decade ahead of the curve.
Its not impossible to replicate, what happens is that vidya devs are retarded and dont understand what people like about the game they are making a sequel of
Bring the Bloodlines 1 devs from the past using time travel and hand them a blank check and don't let them interact at all with the outside world until the game is done
https://i.imgur.com/sg2XG4s.png
I want be be obedient for Mommy.
I will give TCR this much, it can't be easy to prepare trailers and marketing material for this game. On top of the pressure, if they show a trailer focused on the non-combat aspects, people will say it's just going to be another TCR walking sim. If they post a combat orientated trailer, everyone is going to complain it won't have the RPG/dialogue/social elements that everyone loved in 1.
to be filled with as man own the chuds characters and dialogs as possible
You have to join the anarchs
they are always the good guy
the camarilla are always bad as as the sabbat
you cannot play as ventrue
big bad is a donald trump references
It's either going to be a really bad mess or boring forgettable slop. The biggest aspects of the original were the writing and the incredibly strong 2000s gothic edge atmosphere. The writer of the first game left because new people didn't like his "unprogressive" writing style that doesn't pander to gays, trans, feminists, and SJWs alike. Modern devs also just can't into strong edgy gothic atmosphere, aesthetic, and style.
>The writer of the first game left because new people didn't like his "unprogressive" writing style that doesn't pander to gays, trans, feminists, and SJWs alike.
Mitsoda? Lol. He vouched for an actual feminist caught in gamergater hysteria to join as his senior narrative designer. He's a cuck, it just didn't show as much back then. And he was also not the sole writer, a lot of things including the main plot were already in place when he came in. Chad Moore (one of the Interplay guys who worked on Fallout) had already written some stuff for the game.
You briefly see the model from behind in the trailer, and it's the same as . It's possible they made a few changes, but it could just the lighting and angle.
Some people like the shadow manipulating social darwinist ruthless pragmatist clan.
This is Ganker, all you need to do to get someone interested in a faction is to make them cold and pragmatic and suddenly you've got all of the anons drooling over them and going "wow they're so gritty and intelligent and no-nonsense just like me."
She got her peace and happiness with her one true love in the end, so maybe not the most. Definitely the least deserving of it, though.
Redemption is the game that truly made me hate Tzimisce. That dumb motherfucker Vudkolak actually thought he could eat one Antediluvian let alone all of them. Total Tzimisce death.
only issue with them is that they are a bit pricey but i think a text adventure game on steam isn't crazy and night road is well written, if laden with typos
I wanted to replay redemption again and wanted to ask. Are there any mods for this game that are worthwhile to install? Also, I've seen some VN on steam; are any of them interesting to snoop in?
Night Road is great, genuinely 10/10 and hits the Bloodlines feel. Parliament of Knives is great, some routes feel less fleshed out than others but it’s interesting. Out for Blood is from the Hunters’ side of view and a little cringy but if you can deal with it there’s good content there. Sins of the Sires and Coteries of New York blow ass
>just did the Red Salon scenario and found out her daughter is real, and she's actually Leysha's sire
Fittingly for a Malkavian, that's fucking nuts. Somehow I keep getting the worst outcomes in her scenarios first, so I wind up immediately replaying that level because I feel so bad for her. This crazy bitch is giving me feelings I never expected I would rediscover in these Final Nights.
Halsey's real name is Juliette. She was embraced by Richard first, because she fell ill during a voyage. I can't remember what Leysha's real name is, but anyway, Halsey/Juliette ended up embracing her accidentally, I think. One of those "things got out of hand" situations.
For quite a few years, Richard has been fucking with Leysha and Halsey's memories to keep her under control, and keep them thinking that Halsey is Leysha's childe, when it's actually the opposite way around.
IIRC, Halsey is actually a lot more powerful psychically than Leysha, capable of inflicting great harm against human subjects from a distance, and Richard hid that fact. Iverson, who is a desperate, cowardly bitch, schemes to kill Halsey in the hopes it will amplify Leysha's predictive abilities, but Richard is too fond of Halsey, and hides her deep inside the Red Salon, where the missing Quentin King is also held prisoner.
I really like Swansong's plot. I just wish there were more people I could discuss it with.
Also, a lot of people miss that Richard is hiding in a hidden room in the SAD base. Keep an eye out for oddly dead end corridors when playing as Leysha. There's a door hidden there.
But that's not a plot twist at all, the bio for Halsey states that Richard is her sire and Leysha's bio doesn't list a sire so if you put one and two together the answer is obvious
>the bio for Halsey states that Richard is her sire
No it doesn't. This is Halsey's initial bio. The twist about the reversed siring and the true nature of Richard's relationship to the pair isn't added until after the twist is revealed.
All the bios are like this. They have the initial, sometimes false information, and then they're updated if you find information contrary to it.
However, there's a pretty big hint in the fact that Halsey's generation is 11th while Leysha's is 12th. But most players, especially newcomers to VTM, aren't going to pick up on that. Just as they're not going to understand the significance of the weird conversation fake Halsey has about childe and sires.
Another huge, huge hint that something isn't right is if you look at Halsey's stat sheet right at the start of the game. She's supposed to be the much weaker of the pair, the helpless little child Malk who has to Obfuscate constantly, but she has maxed out Dominate. (That explains her ability much later in the game to force SAD soldiers to kill themselves when she's upset.)
But again, most people miss this. It's hiding the truth in plain sight.
Another huge, huge hint that something isn't right is if you look at Halsey's stat sheet right at the start of the game. She's supposed to be the much weaker of the pair, the helpless little child Malk who has to Obfuscate constantly, but she has maxed out Dominate. (That explains her ability much later in the game to force SAD soldiers to kill themselves when she's upset.)
But again, most people miss this. It's hiding the truth in plain sight.
Another huge, huge hint that something isn't right is if you look at Halsey's stat sheet right at the start of the game. She's supposed to be the much weaker of the pair, the helpless little child Malk who has to Obfuscate constantly, but she has maxed out Dominate. (That explains her ability much later in the game to force SAD soldiers to kill themselves when she's upset.)
But again, most people miss this. It's hiding the truth in plain sight.
You can do some limited modding of Swansong, but Unreal is such a pain.
I misremembered, Richard's bio lists Halsey as his childe
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Curious. How far into the game is that bio version? I hope the dev didn't accidentally break the unlock order. I remember one time they patched the game and then all the item descriptions were in French for a week. They fucking suck at QA.
3 weeks ago
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This screenshot is right after the prologue, took it during Galeb's mission at Moore's place (still playing the game fresh and new)
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Interesting. I'm gonna look through old build footage, and check if it was always like this, or if they messed something up.
It feels like it should have pretended his childe was Leysha originally, then switched to Halsey when the twist was revealed.
It reminds me of the XBLA version of Perfect Dark which unlocks the Carrington HQ computers early, revealing all the twists ahead of time.
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This is the kind of jank that pisses me off about Swansong. Did you know that all the DLC bonus items have negative effects? They raise suHispanicion. But because BigBadWolf fucking suck at coding those negative effects don't render in the inventory menu. It's some kind of error with line counts or line breaks. Did they ever fix this? No.
I do have a feeling that the EGS exclusivity created a situation where a lot of bugs that would ordinarily get reported in detail on Steam were not reported. You actually see this with other EGS games. There's far less detailed bug reports because EGS doesn't have Steam-like forums.
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It always confused me how Malks could run a city or have any permanent stable power structure. Reading this about how they 'arranged' this or that I feel like these insane freaks could fuck up a cup of coffee.
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Quentin King got deposed fairly quickly because he fucking sucked.
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Not every malk is totally insane. Even just in VTMB, look at Therese and Jeanette, hell even Grout wasn't cripplingly crazy. They all have some shade of madness but so did a lot of rulers historically.
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Most Malks are not Fishmalk like the player character can be
I thought that might have been the case, but if you find all of the files in the Salon you can help Leysha put the pieces together at the end of that level.
I actually really like that twist. A lot of players were going to immediately guess the more obvious twist that Halsey isn't real. But having a second layer to the twist where the real Halsey is psychically communicating with Leysha through dreams -- that's why Leysha keeps dreaming of that long corridor not only subverts expectation, but it allows for a somewhat satisfactory outcome. I think that if the game's big twist had been that Halsey was dead and Leysha was nuts it would have come across as mean spirited. That said, it's a great story concept that I wish belonged to a more polished game.
Halsey's real name is Juliette. She was embraced by Richard first, because she fell ill during a voyage. I can't remember what Leysha's real name is, but anyway, Halsey/Juliette ended up embracing her accidentally, I think. One of those "things got out of hand" situations.
For quite a few years, Richard has been fucking with Leysha and Halsey's memories to keep her under control, and keep them thinking that Halsey is Leysha's childe, when it's actually the opposite way around.
IIRC, Halsey is actually a lot more powerful psychically than Leysha, capable of inflicting great harm against human subjects from a distance, and Richard hid that fact. Iverson, who is a desperate, cowardly bitch, schemes to kill Halsey in the hopes it will amplify Leysha's predictive abilities, but Richard is too fond of Halsey, and hides her deep inside the Red Salon, where the missing Quentin King is also held prisoner.
I really like Swansong's plot. I just wish there were more people I could discuss it with.
Also, a lot of people miss that Richard is hiding in a hidden room in the SAD base. Keep an eye out for oddly dead end corridors when playing as Leysha. There's a door hidden there.
>Leysha's visions are Halsey's dreams
That makes so much sense, I can't believe I didn't catch it sooner. >Also, a lot of people miss that Richard is hiding in a hidden room in the SAD base. Keep an eye out for oddly dead end corridors when playing as Leysha. There's a door hidden there.
Thanks, I'll be sure to catch that bro.
FUCK THE TREMERE. Something I notice is that most people don't seem to talk about the Gemini League, or the Hartford Chantry. They are the Tremere equivalent of the Camarilla, and they're assholes, and fuck them forever.
I think the reason most people aren't aware of them is that the Gemini League are from the Dark Colony source book from the 90s. And outside of that they've only appeared in VTM Swansong and VTM Swansong's Boston by Night reference book. But they're the missing piece of the puzzle that establishes the Tremere as a dangerous element with political ambitions, and not just a bunch of random stuck-up wizards.
>doing the elevator puzzle >the pieces keep moving on their own after I put them in place
FUCKING WIZARDS
I did not feel the slightest bit of regret when the Nosferatu I freed slaughtered the bastards.
I actually really like that twist. A lot of players were going to immediately guess the more obvious twist that Halsey isn't real. But having a second layer to the twist where the real Halsey is psychically communicating with Leysha through dreams -- that's why Leysha keeps dreaming of that long corridor not only subverts expectation, but it allows for a somewhat satisfactory outcome. I think that if the game's big twist had been that Halsey was dead and Leysha was nuts it would have come across as mean spirited. That said, it's a great story concept that I wish belonged to a more polished game.
Because back when the game was made, all of the vampires believed that the world was actually ending. The Camarilla believed that the Sabbat was about to break the Masquerade and declare all-out war on humanity and the Sabbat believed that the Antediluvians were on the verge of waking up and bringing about the apocalypse.
And even in V5, vampires are facing an existential threat in the form of the Second Inquisition, which might be able to wipe out vampires before too long.
Around the time of Bloodlines they were doing Gehenna scenarios that actually ended the whole universe in the lore, a big thing where all the WoD settings came together for the reset of the whole universe. White Wolf flip flops between if everything was reset after or if this is a whole new continuity
considering their powers are listed as plot devices it'd probably take cain smacking them down to stop them
i remember reading some of them can do shit like turn into miniature stars to survive the actual sunlight
they were losing their magick over time and their life prolonging stuff werent working well anymore if i remember and then tremere's gay boyfriend came up with the idea of vampirism without calculating the losing their magick powers part
Mage wasn't written or conceptualized when the Tremere were created. They started as an Ars Magicka reference because several of the creators of VtM worked on Ars Magicka.
>take a series with character creation >remove it and replace it with a predefined genderswapped geralt wannabe
Fucking retarded. I hate these walking sim retards so fucking much. Should've kept character creation. Dumbasses. Probably gonna be some bitch with a dumbass name like Daika Likslit.
Wait a minute. While Bloodlines 2 is going to have some form of character creation, there are plenty of VtM games without character creation. Why do people pretend it's some unusual thing. Like, you're a fixed character in the VNs. You're a fixed character in Redemption. You're a set of fixed characters in Swansong.
FUCK THE TREMERE. Something I notice is that most people don't seem to talk about the Gemini League, or the Hartford Chantry. They are the Tremere equivalent of the Camarilla, and they're assholes, and fuck them forever.
I think the reason most people aren't aware of them is that the Gemini League are from the Dark Colony source book from the 90s. And outside of that they've only appeared in VTM Swansong and VTM Swansong's Boston by Night reference book. But they're the missing piece of the puzzle that establishes the Tremere as a dangerous element with political ambitions, and not just a bunch of random stuck-up wizards.
It was kinda weird for me to play VTM Redemption as a top 3 childhood game but I never even touched bloodlines until I was 28 or so. I honestly didn't even know it existed until I came to Ganker. The Berserker Axe was the best one in the game by the way, from both stats and aesthetics perspectives.
Guys, guys. I have an insane suggestion. What if someone, say, me, remade VTM Swansong as a relatively straightforward VN? Like, you'd have the same story, same choices, same interesting twists, same puzzles, but it was Renpy and used renders and recorded animations from the game.
After all, people make enough jokes about Swansong looking like a WEG already.
Big titty redhead milf and the goth turkish gf were so fucking good. I hate that the game and those models were scrapped. Fucking retarded paradox mongoloids. This Chink Room shit just screams goyslop from what i've seen on their youtube channel. They seem like one of those "Vidya is art, so let me make the game unfun and focus on forcing you the player to sniff my farts and low IQ philosophy for the entirety of the game". VTMB was all about kino worldbuilding, soulful fun comedic but also heartfelt characters, and sexy vampire bitches. I don't care about VTM tabletop slop, I just want to explore a city like Santa Monica again and listen to Deb's radio station.
>redhead milf
That's her in op's pic. The lighting is off, so her hair looks darker. Chinese Room has already said that they're reusing assets that Hardsuit created. We also see one of Hardsuit's Nosferatu models in the trailer.
Hey, if Cain and Abel, Adam and Eve and all Biblical stuff actually happened in WoD, how old is the earth? Is it really only 6000? We know dinosaurs existed. Did Cain live with the dinosaurs?
A ton of WoD lore is unclear or contradicts itself. By design I think, makes it more mysterious and if the game goes in that direction it gives the DM some wiggle room to decide the truth of the matter for himself.
The point being that we don't really know shit about Cain for sure.
There's a passage in D:tF where a demon explains the last 13 billion years and Creation and Eden.
I wish I had it on hand, I remember it being neat when I read it.
It's supposed to be vague and not set in stone. There are some vampires who say that the literal biblical story is true and some who say that vampires evolved in a 100% darwinian way
A ton of WoD lore is unclear or contradicts itself. By design I think, makes it more mysterious and if the game goes in that direction it gives the DM some wiggle room to decide the truth of the matter for himself.
The point being that we don't really know shit about Cain for sure.
Especially since there was a world before this one...
>When did that leak?
Ex-Hardsuit level/world artist accidentally listed a bunch of screenshots and videos on his artstation page. When he noticed he quickly pulled them, but not before some people downloaded them. There were three video files, IIRC, but I only got two of them. They paint a rather unflattering view of the game, work in progress or no work in progress.
Can you post the rest I never got to see them before they were pulled down
I will post the full video files in a while, but not tonight. I'm not being a jerk or anything. It's 2 in the morning where I am and I'll probably just dump them on MEGA or something, and link them in future VTM threads.
>When did that leak?
Ex-Hardsuit level/world artist accidentally listed a bunch of screenshots and videos on his artstation page. When he noticed he quickly pulled them, but not before some people downloaded them. There were three video files, IIRC, but I only got two of them. They paint a rather unflattering view of the game, work in progress or no work in progress.
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I will post the full video files in a while, but not tonight. I'm not being a jerk or anything. It's 2 in the morning where I am and I'll probably just dump them on MEGA or something, and link them in future VTM threads.
Genuinely I’m at a loss for how it took so long for Paradox to shut it down. Their response to each missed milestone was to cut main members of the team with no new additions and then they still let it go on for another half a year
Paradox thought their only options were throwing more money at Hardsuit vs cancelling the highest profile VTM game. Apparently Sumo's offer came as quite a surprise to Paradox.
There's been some insinuation that Sumo offered to help fund the rebooted development under The Chinese Room, which encouraged Paradox to give it the green light.
>When did that leak?
Ex-Hardsuit level/world artist accidentally listed a bunch of screenshots and videos on his artstation page. When he noticed he quickly pulled them, but not before some people downloaded them. There were three video files, IIRC, but I only got two of them. They paint a rather unflattering view of the game, work in progress or no work in progress.
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I will post the full video files in a while, but not tonight. I'm not being a jerk or anything. It's 2 in the morning where I am and I'll probably just dump them on MEGA or something, and link them in future VTM threads.
I notice nobody seems to post footage of the Hardsuit leaks. Maybe because they didn't download the videos before they were delisted?
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Mitsoda personally pitched for THIS??
I'm happy he got fired this is fucking garbage
>remember ocean house hotel? >remember Damsel? >remember Mitsoda as the TV guy?
Jesus fucking christ they went hard on the bloodlines 1 nostalgia glasses shit. If this game was just going to be Mitsoda sucking everyone off with fanservice member berries I'd rather play the chink version, at least they have some vision
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And Mr. Damp, the serial killer vampire, was probably going to turn out to be Vandal Cleaver, the receptionist at the blood bank from the first game.
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Wasn't he a ghoul?
3 weeks ago
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he was a famous Nirvana vocalist
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Being a ghoul doesn't prevent you from turning into a vampire later. Although the serial killer was a toreador iirc, if anyone turned Vandal it would probably be Tourette so he'd be a malk (fits his already slightly insane personality)
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This is allegedly Damp in the Malkavian clan introduction video.
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Yeah, he was Therese Voerman's ghoul. According to Wesp, Damp was a returning character from the first game. He's also a Malkavian, like Voerman.
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He was actually the star player of Zanarkand Abes.
This version looks like shit, and I don't think the TCR will be able to develop a sequel to Bloodlines, Paradox and WW are breathing down their necks, there is no way they this game is going to be good, I'm expecting one of these points. >hyper serious sad story >muh vampirism sad >no fun allowed world building because of V5 >no peculiar or interesting characters like, Yukie, Jack, Goldmen, Mandarin, Mr. Ox, Lu Fang or Larry, because no one is allowed to be happy in world of darkness, everyone must be depressed and sad all the time >shitty gameplay even compared to the Bloodlines >licensed whiny SSRI music >shitty RPG mechanics >ranged weapons are going to be shit and boring, no rocket launchers, no grenade launcher, .50 anti materiel rifles, flamethrowers, WW2 firearms, or western firearms >melee weapons are going to be shit and boring, no severed limbs, chainsaws, katanas, whips or katars >no interaction with exotic clans, like True Brujah, Samedi, Baali, or Kiasyd >no interaction with other splats, like the technocracy, mummy, changelings, werewolves, mages, prometheans, or demons >the game will be sanitized for modern audiences
B2 is going to be shit.
There was that video from their shill Outstar were she showed her steam profile with something like a couple of dozen hours on VTMB2.
That was before that whole cancelation drama, so it was hardsuit "working" game build.
Damn I hope that shit will be leaked one day like StarCraft shooter or something. I would love to see that junk myself.
>When did that leak?
Ex-Hardsuit level/world artist accidentally listed a bunch of screenshots and videos on his artstation page. When he noticed he quickly pulled them, but not before some people downloaded them. There were three video files, IIRC, but I only got two of them. They paint a rather unflattering view of the game, work in progress or no work in progress.
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I will post the full video files in a while, but not tonight. I'm not being a jerk or anything. It's 2 in the morning where I am and I'll probably just dump them on MEGA or something, and link them in future VTM threads.
Hot damn this looks FUCKING awful. WoD games are never ever on the cutting edge of graphics or anything but this is genuinely very early 2010s character models and environments at BEST. I can't believe Paradox let this project limp on like this for so long. Bobby K would have fed these queers to the woodchipper *years* sooner.
There were only two clips as far as I know, both are archived on the wayback machine, pure video links are
https://web.archive.org/web/2oe_/http://wayback-fakeurl.archive.org/yt/img/7wJAcfyMc0g
https://web.archive.org/web/2oe_/http://wayback-fakeurl.archive.org/yt/img/Q-PSujRJi-A
Good job. I could have sworn there was a third, tiny clip. But anyway, the part I do regret was not being able to scrape all the environment art screenshots.
>this looks fun as fuck.
It has interesting ideas, but the combat is complete dogshit. And it has a very disjointed vibe that is still present in the 2020 trailer footage. I think the game simply never came together properly. The story was a point of contention between Paradox and Hardsuit.
It will be fascinating to see how much of this stuff is cannibalized for the new version.
There was a post way back around the time of TCR taking over where someone posted about how the files Paradox was getting from Hardsuit were all completely disconnected like they did every random level first as vertical slices, and there were no working central hubs. I was inclined to believe it because it was just technical shit rather than “here’s how Mitsoda personally killed the game with his leather gloves”
They definitely had a bunch of hubs build, but I suspect the hubs were just half finished test maps. The E3 2019 footage looks so empty and unfinished. An empty map with poorly animated NPCs walking around does not a good hub make.
The gameplay was pretty ok; Gears of War+Diablo worked surprisingly well. But the first game was rough as fuck... The sequel fixed the bad stuff (stats, bullet sponginess, builds etc.) in the expansion and was/is as good as that type of game can be.
But it still lacked anything even resembling the atmosphere and ambience the first game had...
The game has been rebooted by a new studio and they are very confident in their Q4 2024 release window. It's not going to be the Bloodlines 2 you necessarily expected, but based on the trailer and based on the interviews with the dev team it will probably be a pretty good game that knows its limitations and doesn't go full retard scope-wise.
what's 'the scope' then? i don't expect a vampire "life" sim, that would be too good to be real and not something video game devs can pull off with all the technology in the world these days. all i want is a couple hub worlds, tons of side quests, and interesting people to talk to that doesn't somehow refer to 21st century american sociopolitical movements or ideologies in the writing. they're vampires, they don't fucking care about that shit. is all of that too much scope?
>21st century american sociopolitical movements or ideologies in the writing. they're vampires, they don't fucking care about that shit
I could imagine our elder being dumbstruck about this shit and it would be a funny moment but instead he won't give two shits while talking to they/them.
Hardsuit were a team in Seattle making a game set in Seattle. The Chinese Room are a team in Brighton making a game where they imagine what Seattle must be like.
>making a game where they imagine what Seattle must be like.
honestly i prefer that, it feels more fitting for a wod game to have a kind of fictionalized exaggerated version of a city than a local's view of it
Hardsuit were a team in Seattle making a game set in Seattle. The Chinese Room are a team in Brighton making a game where they imagine what Seattle must be like.
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I like the look of these. Not as striking as the original but better than most.
We don't really know. The Hardsuit version didn't have playable Gangrel or Nosferatu, presumably saving at least the latter for a dlc. The Chinese Room version of the game is more influenced by V5 than the Hardsuit one, and in V5, the Gangrel and Brujah are no longer members of the Camarilla, and the Assamites and Lasombra have joined the Camarilla.
>in V5, the Gangrel and Brujah are no longer members of the Camarilla, and the Assamites and Lasombra have joined the Camarilla.
Irrelevant when you're playing a recently awoken elder.
If I remember the word was the 2020 version was going to have the VTMB clans minus Nosferatu and Malkavian. I believe Malk was hinted as going to be DLC like the scumbags modern vidya devs are especially Paradox.
I would much rather have even less ordinary clans, getting rid of either ventrue or toreador wouldn't be that big of a deal since they occupy the same niche.
Brujah is already there for punk hobo vibes and malk is for freaks.
Give as ex sabbat elder from lasombra or tzimisce for really different experience.
Use seduction lines with jeanette but don't give her the amulet, be professional with therese and give her the amulet. Have high persuasion and pick the correct lines.
It's always us vs them with vampires.
Technically ventrue, toreador and tremere forming Camarilla could be called an alliance, same with lasombra and tzimisce for Sabbat.
back in roman empire days ventrue toreador and some malks were kinda allied in running the empire from the vampire side of it, now its mostly the camarila ones (ventrue and i guess toreador) with tremere
back in roman empire days ventrue toreador and some malks were kinda allied in running the empire from the vampire side of it, now its mostly the camarila ones (ventrue and i guess toreador) with tremere
Toreador, Ventrue and Tzimisce were allied in Constantinople (three methuselahs no less) sad that dream fell apart but was may be.
The OG alliance is Ventrue-Toreador, but as another anon said in another thread the Ventrue are starting to prefer the company of the Tremere over the Toreador, which is making the Toreador approach the new Camarilla Lasombra.
The same way a nosferatu walking around is a masquerade violation. There's nothing criminal per se, but it's creepy if its not Halloween night. I like the idea of this
also, the more masquerade vialotion the more vapire hunters should be on your back? I dunno
That's how VTMB already worked, it's just that 99% of players never saw vampire hunters spawn because it's pretty hard to get masquerade violations unless you do it intentionally.
Yeah I think it would need to be mission thing aka if you choose the bloody option in luxurious penthouse you might need to figure how to clean yourself before exiting (unless you jump off the roof or some shit)
>there are people that unironically want the old storyline of being a thinblood and diablerizing your way towards vampirehood
Isn't diablery a huge fucking deal that usually end up in blood hunts?
>V5 changing things
I'm not too familiar with the thinblood changes, what did they retcon? From what I recall thinbloods were barely vampires and generally suck
They killed and retcon a bunch of concepts because they hated how some players were playing their game. >Sabbat and every elder vampire magically disappeared from the world >Tremere got nuked by the CIA, now there are two sects of Tremere >The whole world united against vampires >Camarilla started offering diablerize as a reward for thinbloods
Its a shitshow
>Are the two sects of Tremere just Antitribu?
IIRC from the screenshots, one of the sect ruled by a self titled feminist tremere vampire, believes herself to be the rightful leader of the pyramid, not sure about the other one. >So the Masquerade doesn't exist anymore?
There are multiple countries and organization working alongside each other to hunt down vampires around the world, because the nosferatu triggered something related to 9/11 on the CIA honeypot network. >Weren't they the faction that's anti diablerie?
White Wolf is retarded.
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>White Wolf is retarded
New White Wolf. It's not the same people that did previous editions. In fact 90% of the devs for WoD5 are from the same Swedish LARP group.
Not him but >nuked half of the setting
Not really. >So the Masquerade doesn't exist anymore?
It is. It's just that now CIA and subsidiaries posses limited amount of information on vampires but are well aware they exist and so formed Second Inquisition to hunt them.
If they had full knowledge then Masquerade would be over. >diablery
Camarilla was always anti diablery as a way to protect elders as it exists as whole to protect and serve elders.
You could always get away with diablery in some cases. Not sure about them offering diablery for thinbloods as a reward, iirc Camarilla decided to eradicate thinbloods because of SI.
I always play unarmed so I'm used to the stagger I just don't like how the claws swing. Always seem to hit nothing and leave me open. At least I have fortitude.
>all these people talking about being a thinblood and diablerizing an elder like it's an easy thing
IIRC isn't it hard as fuck to diablerize vamps from a higher gen let alone an elder? Also wouldn't your soul get taken over or something? Happened to Saulot and Tremere
if a thinblood diablerize a like a 12th gen, they will probably be fine, excluding the fact anyone who can see auras would kill them
diablerizing an elder? nah you fucked for good
I just can't imagine any situation where a thinblood could diablerize an elder without getting bodyjacked. Hell it's just weird seeing how diablerize just seem to as a super common thing when it's a huge deal.
>hard as fuck to diablerize
Yup, it's close to impossible depending on the elder generation, only 1 step removed kindred has a slight chance of diablerie.
>Also wouldn't your soul get taken over or something?
Yes if the diablerie fails even a just a bit, IIRC from the books you need shit ton of success in order to diablerize without facing the elder soul inside you and it's harder since the elder in question is far more powerful than you are.
A full perfect diablerie means the soul was completely eradicated out of existence so nothing remains to haunt the perpetrator.
Fucking love Christof
I played redemption years ago but as the time passes I grow to appreciate it more and more
Kind of strange how people are starting to get into it when it was almost never brought up decades ago
Well I wanted to play unarmed but the protean power sucks my ass. I still want to play gangrel though because I haven't played it before. And I hate guns to that leaves melee.
Just power through it. I don't know I was able to do fine at 5dot protean. The only thing that was annoying was stagger.
If you are categorically about to ditch it then go into animalism as it gives ranged attacks.
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I'll keep trying with protean then. It seemed like a good combo with fortitude I'm just having trouble with hitting stuff. I'll try to get used to it.
>all the women in the game keep thirsting for Christof and aren't even subtle about it >his response to that is MUH ANEZKA
that man has the will of steel
Yeah. Etrius us actually baffled because he was convinced this was some grand power play by the elder vampires against the Tremere, but no, it's just one random dude that doesn't even know what Tremere are, being autistic about some nun.
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I like how Christof's autism and sheer faith are so powerful they basically warp reality and leave regular vampires baffled as to what just happened.
yeah
it's great to have an idealized character like him in the cynical modern times
even after everything that happened to him, he kept his faith in God and love for Anezka (unless you purposefully chose to be a dick) to the point he even managed to make his mentor Wilhelm, a Sabbat vampire, start believing in Jesus
because... MY MAN CHRISTOF WAS A REAL bro WHO NEVER GAVE INTO THE VAMPmoron CURSE!!! HE STAYED A TRUE MAN OF GOD UNSHAKABLY TIED TO HIS HUMANITY AND NEVER GAVE IN FUCKING gay AS VAMPIRES!!!!
i don't care about v5 lore that much but her surviving redemption and the giovanni purge and resurfacing in modern nights just like my headcanon did warm my heart a bit
The ending felt rushed, but it was pretty cool nonetheless. The atmosphere was good, and that's literally all that matters. It even referenced Redemption which means that somebody who worked on it gave a fuck
What are the "main" patches for Bloodlines, at this point? I know the community has started to splinter, so Wesp's patch isn't the only one, but I don't know how many exist or what there names are.
Don't know if it's good. Just played bloodlines a few days ago with UP. If I get an itch for replaying in the future I'll try it out. So i'ts up to you
Something about them not being able to be satiated with a bit of human blood anymore. After all that time they'd need to drain tons of other vampires to stop being hungry. It's essentially a frenzy but from one of the most powerful vampires you'll ever see.
said which is true one waking would cause others to wake and eventually you get the real bad ones and eventually they will start fighting apocalyptic war as their interest clash.
Lasombra and The Eldest (Tzimisce) were giga assholes, so the Sabbat is willing to assume they're all like that. Zappy (also an asshole) murdered most of his own clan when he woke up so more reinforcement there.
Arikel the Toreador Antediluvian doesn't do much but sleep and hold orgies on Crete. The secret issue is even a single Antediluvian can be an existential threat.
IIRC even just methuselahs can start being scary to other vampires. Over time they morph into something that's to a vampire what a vampire is to a human. And antediluvians are an even more extreme version of that.
Honestly it depends on the Ante. Gangrel? They're in the earth eating entire cities
The eldest? Too busy in their 500IQ keikaku while being sludge in the sewers of new york
Salurbi? Too busy going Edmond Dantes on fucking EVERYONE who's ever dared to screw with him.
Toreador Ante is busy hanging around greece last I checked
Ravnos? tricked the entire world and is probably doing crazy shit while they're 'dead'
Nossie Ante is too busy killing his own clan to give a shit about anyone else
I forget about the rest.
The canon ending according to V5 is naturally the Anarch ending, because Anarchwank. Or the Anarch ending with the elements of Lone Wolf, aka you do all the dirty work deposing a prince for Nines and then fuck off like a cuck, while he takes over LA instead.
I want to play VTMB for the first time, but I'm a bit unsure about the different patches. What are the differences between the unofficial patch and true patch gold? I thought about getting the GOG version and then the unofficial patch, but should I do something else?
>it comes with 9.something unofficial patch
The one on moddb is 11.4., is it fine to just get that on top of the GoG version? I assume it just overrides what it needs to.
Maybe get unpatched version if you plan to patch it?
There's no point in newer patch as bugs were fixed long ago, author is dicking around.
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>There's no point in newer patch as bugs were fixed long ago, author is dicking around.
I didn't know that, thanks. It's just that when you see that something like a patch has a newer version available it feels like you should get that one by default, so I was wondering.
>three vertical lines
It's certainly not the mark shown at the end. The black of the symbol on her neck is too stark, compared to the soft shadows, so I doubt it's a shadow being cast by something else in the room. Probably a tattoo.
No, Keui-jin and Kindred are two different species entirely.
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There are mentions of some unlucky bitch from japan that got embraced by 1 tremere randomly. Also there's a powerful I think tzimisce in Tokyo.
Kuei-jin are not vampires. If you embraced a moron, you'll get a vampire moron.
>Skelter says it's bullshit that the Camarilla can decide to kill you for breaking a rule >in the same breath he then asks me to kill someone for the Masquerade he seconds ago told me he didn't care about
Anarchs are fucking stupid
Were Therese and Jeanette originally two separate people and one of them adopted the other's personality after they got turned or was it always just a schizo girl
Schizo girl. Sexual abuse victims often flip between wanting to be pure and clean like Therese and trying to find a way to let the trauma make them feel good instead of hurt like Jeanette.
A schizo. From their conversation you can more or less piece together the history, Therese was the original and her dad fucked her as a kid. She developed the Jeanette persona as a way to cope, a horny girl that's very much into sex. Eventually he probably killed her dad when he tried to have sex with her and she hadn't switched to Jeanette. Some time after that she got embraced by a malk which sent her mental illness into overdrive and created two completely separate people in her mind.
I take everything Therese/Jeannette says about her past with a slab of salt, there is a chance she invented everything in her mind to cope with her mental illness.
Schizo girl. Sexual abuse victims often flip between wanting to be pure and clean like Therese and trying to find a way to let the trauma make them feel good instead of hurt like Jeanette.
IIRC the eventual explanation for malk hidden knowledge was that the subconscious of all malks is connected, if one knows something they all know it on some subconscious level.
If the speculationaons were right about HSL's story, and I'm right about TCR not throwing out as much as they claim, it could very well be Lilith.
Given the Beckoning in V5 lore, "Antediluvian" is the most obvious answer, though, a little like how "diablerie" was the obvious answer to the "clan selection" system for HSL's version.
>Lilith >gen 2
Anon.....
HSL always insisted that they "didn't want to spoil" how you would select clan, so I always took that to mean you use a special snowflake, "unique" method of powering up, with Lilith being the woman in the green dress and directly intervening. Yeah, if the voice is player-listenable (as opposed to an informed plot element) and is specifically female, I'll take that as a sign it's the woman in green's script from HSL being ported into TCR.
No, if anything she embraced Caine. Lilith was already running around doing weird spooky shit when Caine found her, and Caine was just a dude who couldn't die when they met. She took him in since the dude was practically starving to death.
Caine eventually wanted powers like hers, and so she did some weird ritual and fed him some of her blood. Caine was then visited by 3 Archangels who told him to repent now and he would be forgiven, his soul going to heaven. He told them to fuck off each time, and each time he was given a curse. Sunlight, Fire, feeding on blood. He immediately learned the physical disciplines and Lilith taught him Dominate, Presence, and Auspex.
They broke up because Caine stopped having sex with her because he was DBZ powerleveling.
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Ohhhh so basically she's super magic and doesn't have vampire weaknesses but has vampiric powers. That's cool as shit.
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Probably. Lilith is a huge question mark. Mage claims she was an ancient proto super Mage, there's a Gehenna scenario all about her where she's got her own template which is basically Vampire+ and the players can become that if they side with her. Some lore says her powers came from Lucifer teaching her magic.
My favorite Lilith lore is her personal curse. Caine has to watch his descendants murder each other the way he murdered his brother. Lilith, who never gave any love, will never be loved by anyone. Even her worshippers can't truly love her, they just want her power.
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She's more of an immortal super mage. Adam was a retard and she did nothing wrong btw
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time to die bahari!
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>basically she's super magic
She was one of the first exiled by God due to the rebellion
She is more of a Demon than a human tho.
Caine's curse is just God's curse upon him and his "children" for the murder of his brother and refusal to submit but the use of vitae as "fuel" for magic was taught by Lillith according to the lore
>Really like the idea of loss of fertility/virility as an aspect of the curse on par with sunlight/no eating food/frenzy. >Find the idea of vampires going to extremes to regain fertility (something that offers them no advantage in the jyhad) and possibly even succeeding to be equally fascinating. >Terrified people will think I've just got a pregnancy fetish.
No, not really. It doesn't get me hot and bothered but having children is something very important to many people on a fundemental level, so having it removed from them against their will can always create a powerful emotional story.
You're posting anonymously, fellow pregchad. You don't need to use such guarded language. You could have just said >Terrified people will know I've got a pregnancy fetish
I wonder how the elder thing is going to be handled. Have we been asleep for 30 years and have to acclimate to the difference between the 90s and the 2020s, or have we been asleep for a few hundred years have and have to through a much more severe culture shocks into a completely alien world
Except the player would be familiar with the world but no the supernatural aspects, while the character would be familiar with the supernatural goings on but not the modern world.
Because the woman-in-green character was probably cut, but aspects of her script and plot relevance have probably been kept, with at least some of it being merged with Lou "Former Prince of Seattle" Grand(e).
that's my wife
You should wait for the rest of her to be released. If the game is woke, she might be handicapped bbw on a wheelchair.
>she might be handicapped bbw on a wheelchair.
Hot
>she might be handicapped bbw on a wheelchair.
Any chance she'll be turned into an alligator as well?
wani wani
Hell yeah
I wanted to replay redemption again and wanted to ask. Are there any mods for this game that are worthwhile to install? Also, I've seen some VN on steam; are any of them interesting to snoop in?
I was not aware there are mods for Redemption. I liked the story of original but dungeons were so tiring and repetitive.
If anyone know a good story-oriented mod for Redemption, I'd like to ask the same thing.
Dunno about redemption mods I only ever used some patches to fix the UI. The VNs are quite shitty, but the create your own adventure games are quite good, I'd rank them like this:
>1. Parliament of Knives: Pure Camarilla intrigue kino, you can barely tell what is true and needs more than one playthrough to piece together the whole scheme. 5 playable clans: Ventrue, Toreador, Nosferatu, Lasombra and Malkavian (last two are DLC). Also has kindred-sister "incest".
>2. Night Road: Adventure through the desert as a Courier during second inquisition raids, you can hoard quite a bit of power and even diablerize a methuselah. Lots of available clans though some of them are locked behind DLC I think.
3. Out for Blood: Hunter story, you are a human coming back to your hometown while strange happenings are about. You can choose to join the supernatural, study it or hunt it down. Sad thing is that it is quite linear but has some interesting stuff like a True Faith mechanic.
There's another one but I didn't play it because it has very bad reviews.
Thanks for the recs. I'm going to wait for a sale and grab them. Did you hear anything good about the new york ones?
the new york ones are very good, kino intrigue
Night Road is great but the other ones do not even approach its kino levels. Seriously, play it.
The only big mod Redemption ever got was an unofficial patch meant exclusively for multiplayer.
Someone is remaking it in Skyrim
why does it look like that russian town mode in morrowind lol
I CANNOT BEST YOU
I YIELD, I YIELD
NEVER SHOULD OF COME HERE
i haven't played the mod but i've seen people recommend age of redemption
https://www.nexusmods.com/vampireredemption/mods/6
What does this game need to be even somewhat passable?
atmosphere that's at least ok
0 expectations (including release) is the best advice I can give. The only mistake I make is still believing I'll somehow get to hear new music from Rik
if it has amazing character creation, i will play it even if it is shitty beyond repair otherwise
They already put Hokuto no Ken shit in
It's already a masterpiece
what's an IAD
IAO, it's the second inquisition, basically glowie hunters
That depends on what you want it to pass as.
>a good video game
Good combat, good story, good graphics, good characters. Unlike to get this, but it's possible. You'd have to be stupid to expect this though.
>a good VTMB successor
Basically impossible because VTMB has a unique atmosphere that is almost impossible to replicate, combined with charming characters with facial animations that were a decade ahead of the curve.
yep, anyone expecting a good successor sets himself for a bad ride
its still real to me damn it
I honestly expect it won't release, that way, paradax won't fuck me again. The simply cannot hurt me anymore
Its not impossible to replicate, what happens is that vidya devs are retarded and dont understand what people like about the game they are making a sequel of
How would you replicate the spirit and soul of VTMB?
>Good combat, good story, good graphics, good characters.
This is already a higher bar than VTMB itself
The entire dev/writing teams getting high on LSD for an entire week while playing the first game and listening to 90s classics nonstop.
A blood sacrifice to the muses that birthed the first game
Honestly good writing could carry it for me.
good music and good areas. hopefully they don't try to force the open world meme and just let you fast travel
Bring the Bloodlines 1 devs from the past using time travel and hand them a blank check and don't let them interact at all with the outside world until the game is done
I will give TCR this much, it can't be easy to prepare trailers and marketing material for this game. On top of the pressure, if they show a trailer focused on the non-combat aspects, people will say it's just going to be another TCR walking sim. If they post a combat orientated trailer, everyone is going to complain it won't have the RPG/dialogue/social elements that everyone loved in 1.
Atmosphere and good writing. There's a chance they deliver, they fired the libtard first team
Well for starters, not going for the New World of Darkness lore, even fuckin' Chronicles of Darkness is better than that.
to be filled with as man own the chuds characters and dialogs as possible
You have to join the anarchs
they are always the good guy
the camarilla are always bad as as the sabbat
you cannot play as ventrue
big bad is a donald trump references
It's either going to be a really bad mess or boring forgettable slop. The biggest aspects of the original were the writing and the incredibly strong 2000s gothic edge atmosphere. The writer of the first game left because new people didn't like his "unprogressive" writing style that doesn't pander to gays, trans, feminists, and SJWs alike. Modern devs also just can't into strong edgy gothic atmosphere, aesthetic, and style.
>The writer of the first game left because new people didn't like his "unprogressive" writing style that doesn't pander to gays, trans, feminists, and SJWs alike.
Mitsoda? Lol. He vouched for an actual feminist caught in gamergater hysteria to join as his senior narrative designer. He's a cuck, it just didn't show as much back then. And he was also not the sole writer, a lot of things including the main plot were already in place when he came in. Chad Moore (one of the Interplay guys who worked on Fallout) had already written some stuff for the game.
So they actually managed to salvage this project somehow?
still 1 more year for potential release. After previous supposed release I have 0 hopes (just to avoid being hurt again)
more characters need fat fucking honkers
looks like a man
You briefly see the model from behind in the trailer, and it's the same as . It's possible they made a few changes, but it could just the lighting and angle.
meant for
>hiding the milkers from us
not a good sign, chief
The model quality with Hardsuit was all over the place. A lot of the characters seemed to have varying builds of varying quality.
>Tits not big enough to see from behind.
It's over
It's over. Millions must be diablerized.
Look at Swan Song or whatever the name was, she was in it and she looked like shit
Different buxom redhead. Also, everyone looked like shit in Swansong.
>this guy rides to a bar
>morphs back into a human form
>walks up and slaps your girlfriend's ass
>dat ass is two times bigger now
What do you do?
Ew.
I literally want to exterminate every tzimichud from existence
u jelly
disgusted
do fujos really
Order him a drink as a thanks
>meat bicycle? Fuck it, meat SPORTBIKE
That looks cool as fuck
>tfw no tzimisce mommy that lets me take a break from the stress of life by just being her chair for a day
He looks happy.
>yaoi hands
Ask him to slap my cock.
It will be good, Ganker.
Most likely not.
No.
It will be interesting, that's all we can be reasonably sure of as of now.
why are there skibidi toilets in the corners?
I 100% agree with last tier
>furry
>nossie
>garden gnomemere
NGMI
why is lasombra so high up
Some people like the shadow manipulating social darwinist ruthless pragmatist clan.
This is Ganker, all you need to do to get someone interested in a faction is to make them cold and pragmatic and suddenly you've got all of the anons drooling over them and going "wow they're so gritty and intelligent and no-nonsense just like me."
Because they are the best clan, obviously.
For me it's the shadow tentacles. Pretty sure it is for everyone else too.
because lasombra is literally me
erm you forgot Salubri
>Toreador above anything
Go back to playing the Sims flower boylover
t. Nosfeshit
>ventrue not in S tier
shit list. Objectively strongest clan.
lmao
if you ever want to see insecurity just look at a ventrue fan
*tells u to have a nice day while being immune to all damage*
nothin personnel, mongrel
I CAN FIX HIM
imagine a bj from that thing
She did, though.
did anezka suffer the most out of all VTM games characters?
She got her peace and happiness with her one true love in the end, so maybe not the most. Definitely the least deserving of it, though.
Redemption is the game that truly made me hate Tzimisce. That dumb motherfucker Vudkolak actually thought he could eat one Antediluvian let alone all of them. Total Tzimisce death.
here's your returning elder
personally I'd love it
muh dick
>can teach advanced disciplines to brujah and sells you ancient tomes
I can see that
>homosexual
blame the planetvampire people who kept harrassing wesp about it
are those vtm book-games any good? like vampire night road and parliament of knives?
Night of Road is okay. Personally because its goes on about how the Second Inquisition fucked shit uo
if that ones "okay" then which of them is "great"
Night of Road look like a literal text game. How tf did they pull this off. I'd rather read a book.
The idea for story sounds good though.
only issue with them is that they are a bit pricey but i think a text adventure game on steam isn't crazy and night road is well written, if laden with typos
To be fair. second person pov is a headache to read
>pricey
Julian a shit
Anarchs a shit
Camarilla forever
yeah night road and parliament of knives is great
Night Road is great, genuinely 10/10 and hits the Bloodlines feel. Parliament of Knives is great, some routes feel less fleshed out than others but it’s interesting. Out for Blood is from the Hunters’ side of view and a little cringy but if you can deal with it there’s good content there. Sins of the Sires and Coteries of New York blow ass
Give gangrel tomboy childhood friend
>Tremere nerd tardwrangling Grangel gf
night road didn't have the car ryan gosling drove in drive bros...
What engine will this game use, I hope it's not unreal slop
unreal 5
>just did the Red Salon scenario and found out her daughter is real, and she's actually Leysha's sire
Fittingly for a Malkavian, that's fucking nuts. Somehow I keep getting the worst outcomes in her scenarios first, so I wind up immediately replaying that level because I feel so bad for her. This crazy bitch is giving me feelings I never expected I would rediscover in these Final Nights.
Wut? Wasn't she just a dead daughter of hers?
Halsey's real name is Juliette. She was embraced by Richard first, because she fell ill during a voyage. I can't remember what Leysha's real name is, but anyway, Halsey/Juliette ended up embracing her accidentally, I think. One of those "things got out of hand" situations.
For quite a few years, Richard has been fucking with Leysha and Halsey's memories to keep her under control, and keep them thinking that Halsey is Leysha's childe, when it's actually the opposite way around.
IIRC, Halsey is actually a lot more powerful psychically than Leysha, capable of inflicting great harm against human subjects from a distance, and Richard hid that fact. Iverson, who is a desperate, cowardly bitch, schemes to kill Halsey in the hopes it will amplify Leysha's predictive abilities, but Richard is too fond of Halsey, and hides her deep inside the Red Salon, where the missing Quentin King is also held prisoner.
I really like Swansong's plot. I just wish there were more people I could discuss it with.
Also, a lot of people miss that Richard is hiding in a hidden room in the SAD base. Keep an eye out for oddly dead end corridors when playing as Leysha. There's a door hidden there.
But that's not a plot twist at all, the bio for Halsey states that Richard is her sire and Leysha's bio doesn't list a sire so if you put one and two together the answer is obvious
>the bio for Halsey states that Richard is her sire
No it doesn't. This is Halsey's initial bio. The twist about the reversed siring and the true nature of Richard's relationship to the pair isn't added until after the twist is revealed.
All the bios are like this. They have the initial, sometimes false information, and then they're updated if you find information contrary to it.
However, there's a pretty big hint in the fact that Halsey's generation is 11th while Leysha's is 12th. But most players, especially newcomers to VTM, aren't going to pick up on that. Just as they're not going to understand the significance of the weird conversation fake Halsey has about childe and sires.
Another huge, huge hint that something isn't right is if you look at Halsey's stat sheet right at the start of the game. She's supposed to be the much weaker of the pair, the helpless little child Malk who has to Obfuscate constantly, but she has maxed out Dominate. (That explains her ability much later in the game to force SAD soldiers to kill themselves when she's upset.)
But again, most people miss this. It's hiding the truth in plain sight.
>that character
OOOOOOUUUUH ToT
You can do some limited modding of Swansong, but Unreal is such a pain.
I misremembered, Richard's bio lists Halsey as his childe
Curious. How far into the game is that bio version? I hope the dev didn't accidentally break the unlock order. I remember one time they patched the game and then all the item descriptions were in French for a week. They fucking suck at QA.
This screenshot is right after the prologue, took it during Galeb's mission at Moore's place (still playing the game fresh and new)
Interesting. I'm gonna look through old build footage, and check if it was always like this, or if they messed something up.
It feels like it should have pretended his childe was Leysha originally, then switched to Halsey when the twist was revealed.
It reminds me of the XBLA version of Perfect Dark which unlocks the Carrington HQ computers early, revealing all the twists ahead of time.
This is the kind of jank that pisses me off about Swansong. Did you know that all the DLC bonus items have negative effects? They raise suHispanicion. But because BigBadWolf fucking suck at coding those negative effects don't render in the inventory menu. It's some kind of error with line counts or line breaks. Did they ever fix this? No.
I do have a feeling that the EGS exclusivity created a situation where a lot of bugs that would ordinarily get reported in detail on Steam were not reported. You actually see this with other EGS games. There's far less detailed bug reports because EGS doesn't have Steam-like forums.
It always confused me how Malks could run a city or have any permanent stable power structure. Reading this about how they 'arranged' this or that I feel like these insane freaks could fuck up a cup of coffee.
Quentin King got deposed fairly quickly because he fucking sucked.
Not every malk is totally insane. Even just in VTMB, look at Therese and Jeanette, hell even Grout wasn't cripplingly crazy. They all have some shade of madness but so did a lot of rulers historically.
Most Malks are not Fishmalk like the player character can be
I thought that might have been the case, but if you find all of the files in the Salon you can help Leysha put the pieces together at the end of that level.
>Leysha's visions are Halsey's dreams
That makes so much sense, I can't believe I didn't catch it sooner.
>Also, a lot of people miss that Richard is hiding in a hidden room in the SAD base. Keep an eye out for oddly dead end corridors when playing as Leysha. There's a door hidden there.
Thanks, I'll be sure to catch that bro.
>doing the elevator puzzle
>the pieces keep moving on their own after I put them in place
FUCKING WIZARDS
I did not feel the slightest bit of regret when the Nosferatu I freed slaughtered the bastards.
the elevator puzzle
>>the pieces keep moving on their own after I put them in place
They actually fixed that. It was a super annoying bug.
I actually really like that twist. A lot of players were going to immediately guess the more obvious twist that Halsey isn't real. But having a second layer to the twist where the real Halsey is psychically communicating with Leysha through dreams -- that's why Leysha keeps dreaming of that long corridor not only subverts expectation, but it allows for a somewhat satisfactory outcome. I think that if the game's big twist had been that Halsey was dead and Leysha was nuts it would have come across as mean spirited. That said, it's a great story concept that I wish belonged to a more polished game.
Why are they called Final Nights if the world is (afaik) not ending?
humanity is on the verge of waking up, and the inquisition is destroying vamps in droves i think
Because back when the game was made, all of the vampires believed that the world was actually ending. The Camarilla believed that the Sabbat was about to break the Masquerade and declare all-out war on humanity and the Sabbat believed that the Antediluvians were on the verge of waking up and bringing about the apocalypse.
And even in V5, vampires are facing an existential threat in the form of the Second Inquisition, which might be able to wipe out vampires before too long.
They were. Gehenna happened and the setting was ended.
They brought it back later, so the name just stuck even though it makes zero sense.
Around the time of Bloodlines they were doing Gehenna scenarios that actually ended the whole universe in the lore, a big thing where all the WoD settings came together for the reset of the whole universe. White Wolf flip flops between if everything was reset after or if this is a whole new continuity
what would happen is multiple antediluvians woke up simultaneously?
like 2 or 3 of them at once?
The end of the world as we know it.
so the technocracy won't just nuke them in 2 seconds?
considering their powers are listed as plot devices it'd probably take cain smacking them down to stop them
i remember reading some of them can do shit like turn into miniature stars to survive the actual sunlight
Lots of bad things... or nothing. At least one is already awaken and nothing happened, but Arikel is actually a nice gal so the world got lucky.
There's no way they will delay it again right? cant wait until fall 2024 bros, which clans do you want in
The Chinese Room said in an interview that they've only started the marketing cycle because they're absolutely confident in the release window.
Fall 2024 is the 20th anniversary of the first game so I don't think they'll change that date.
Marco Pierre White?
You can drink blood and serve Caine....or not. It's your choice.
>My dear old sire always used to use noble blood, but if you don't have any you can use hooker, or rat. There's no recipe.
Unless you're Ventrue, in which case, enjoy your very strict diet for the foreseeable future.
So Tremere used to be mages before they turned themselves into vampires?
Isnt that a nerf?
mages arent immortal
Classic monkey paw. No one thought they are going to lose access to their magic.
In a number of ways, but there were benefits. The whole theme of the Tremere is hubris.
They can be, it's just eventually they'll tire of life or fall into Quiet.
they were losing their magick over time and their life prolonging stuff werent working well anymore if i remember and then tremere's gay boyfriend came up with the idea of vampirism without calculating the losing their magick powers part
Mage wasn't written or conceptualized when the Tremere were created. They started as an Ars Magicka reference because several of the creators of VtM worked on Ars Magicka.
>take a series with character creation
>remove it and replace it with a predefined genderswapped geralt wannabe
Fucking retarded. I hate these walking sim retards so fucking much. Should've kept character creation. Dumbasses. Probably gonna be some bitch with a dumbass name like Daika Likslit.
Did they say it doesnt have CaC or did they just use female pronouns?
>female pronouns
>retard doesn't know what pronouns are
You can choose your clan so it's not that defined.
Wait a minute. While Bloodlines 2 is going to have some form of character creation, there are plenty of VtM games without character creation. Why do people pretend it's some unusual thing. Like, you're a fixed character in the VNs. You're a fixed character in Redemption. You're a set of fixed characters in Swansong.
You realize you also had a predefined background as the Fledgling, right? Low gen newblood who had a vampire lover that embraced you?
>voice in the head
diablerie bros we knew
Watched the trailer.
Combat gameplay looked like shit.
FUCK THE TREMERE. Something I notice is that most people don't seem to talk about the Gemini League, or the Hartford Chantry. They are the Tremere equivalent of the Camarilla, and they're assholes, and fuck them forever.
I think the reason most people aren't aware of them is that the Gemini League are from the Dark Colony source book from the 90s. And outside of that they've only appeared in VTM Swansong and VTM Swansong's Boston by Night reference book. But they're the missing piece of the puzzle that establishes the Tremere as a dangerous element with political ambitions, and not just a bunch of random stuck-up wizards.
no one cares about swansong, swansongtard.
So, what is preventing mages from traveling back in time and preventing Cain's deed?
Paradox, God, the ST.
You can with enough dots, but you'll just create a splinter timeline. WoD will continue, outside of your new World of Sunshine.
It was kinda weird for me to play VTM Redemption as a top 3 childhood game but I never even touched bloodlines until I was 28 or so. I honestly didn't even know it existed until I came to Ganker. The Berserker Axe was the best one in the game by the way, from both stats and aesthetics perspectives.
my pronoun? tzimiscechad
SKIBIDI BIB BIB BIB, SKIBIDI BOP BOP BOP, SKIBIBDI BIP, SKIBIDI BOP, SKIBIDI SCHNIPSCHNIPSCHNIP
>announcement trailer was only 9 days ago
what the fuck, it feels like it's been a month already
Guys, guys. I have an insane suggestion. What if someone, say, me, remade VTM Swansong as a relatively straightforward VN? Like, you'd have the same story, same choices, same interesting twists, same puzzles, but it was Renpy and used renders and recorded animations from the game.
After all, people make enough jokes about Swansong looking like a WEG already.
Big titty redhead milf and the goth turkish gf were so fucking good. I hate that the game and those models were scrapped. Fucking retarded paradox mongoloids. This Chink Room shit just screams goyslop from what i've seen on their youtube channel. They seem like one of those "Vidya is art, so let me make the game unfun and focus on forcing you the player to sniff my farts and low IQ philosophy for the entirety of the game". VTMB was all about kino worldbuilding, soulful fun comedic but also heartfelt characters, and sexy vampire bitches. I don't care about VTM tabletop slop, I just want to explore a city like Santa Monica again and listen to Deb's radio station.
>redhead milf
That's her in op's pic. The lighting is off, so her hair looks darker. Chinese Room has already said that they're reusing assets that Hardsuit created. We also see one of Hardsuit's Nosferatu models in the trailer.
Is it really? She looks different to me, hair color aside. I hope the turkish goth gf will be in at least.
>ME SUUUCKYY SUCCKKYYY YOU ROOONG TIMEEE ROOONGGG TIMEEEEEEE
How do people see her as asian what the fuck
>people
Literally one blind retard who can't differentiate between Lou and new chick.
Hey, if Cain and Abel, Adam and Eve and all Biblical stuff actually happened in WoD, how old is the earth? Is it really only 6000? We know dinosaurs existed. Did Cain live with the dinosaurs?
A ton of WoD lore is unclear or contradicts itself. By design I think, makes it more mysterious and if the game goes in that direction it gives the DM some wiggle room to decide the truth of the matter for himself.
The point being that we don't really know shit about Cain for sure.
There's a passage in D:tF where a demon explains the last 13 billion years and Creation and Eden.
I wish I had it on hand, I remember it being neat when I read it.
Where was it in the book? I'll try to find it.
I'm not sure if it's the core book or a splat, and my PDFs are on another computer, or I'd look myself. Might be better to ask /wod/.
It's supposed to be vague and not set in stone. There are some vampires who say that the literal biblical story is true and some who say that vampires evolved in a 100% darwinian way
Especially since there was a world before this one...
fixed a bit
I notice nobody seems to post footage of the Hardsuit leaks. Maybe because they didn't download the videos before they were delisted?
man i can't wait for this game
what's a hardsuit leak?
Can you post the rest I never got to see them before they were pulled down
When did that leak? The only gameplay footage I've seen is from E3 2019.
Hardsuit is the company that was working on it before Chinese Room was handed the project.
>When did that leak?
Ex-Hardsuit level/world artist accidentally listed a bunch of screenshots and videos on his artstation page. When he noticed he quickly pulled them, but not before some people downloaded them. There were three video files, IIRC, but I only got two of them. They paint a rather unflattering view of the game, work in progress or no work in progress.
I will post the full video files in a while, but not tonight. I'm not being a jerk or anything. It's 2 in the morning where I am and I'll probably just dump them on MEGA or something, and link them in future VTM threads.
Genuinely I’m at a loss for how it took so long for Paradox to shut it down. Their response to each missed milestone was to cut main members of the team with no new additions and then they still let it go on for another half a year
Paradox thought their only options were throwing more money at Hardsuit vs cancelling the highest profile VTM game. Apparently Sumo's offer came as quite a surprise to Paradox.
There's been some insinuation that Sumo offered to help fund the rebooted development under The Chinese Room, which encouraged Paradox to give it the green light.
starefield strikes again
i like the part where he punches the guy and the part where he drinks his blood
These are better with sound:
Pac-Tower (Ocean House): https://vimeo.com/834465967
Contact: https://vimeo.com/834466015
Enjoy.
Thanks anon
I'm praying TCR can deliver a miracle
>remember ocean house hotel?
>remember Damsel?
>remember Mitsoda as the TV guy?
Jesus fucking christ they went hard on the bloodlines 1 nostalgia glasses shit. If this game was just going to be Mitsoda sucking everyone off with fanservice member berries I'd rather play the chink version, at least they have some vision
And Mr. Damp, the serial killer vampire, was probably going to turn out to be Vandal Cleaver, the receptionist at the blood bank from the first game.
Wasn't he a ghoul?
he was a famous Nirvana vocalist
Being a ghoul doesn't prevent you from turning into a vampire later. Although the serial killer was a toreador iirc, if anyone turned Vandal it would probably be Tourette so he'd be a malk (fits his already slightly insane personality)
This is allegedly Damp in the Malkavian clan introduction video.
Yeah, he was Therese Voerman's ghoul. According to Wesp, Damp was a returning character from the first game. He's also a Malkavian, like Voerman.
He was actually the star player of Zanarkand Abes.
This version looks like shit, and I don't think the TCR will be able to develop a sequel to Bloodlines, Paradox and WW are breathing down their necks, there is no way they this game is going to be good, I'm expecting one of these points.
>hyper serious sad story
>muh vampirism sad
>no fun allowed world building because of V5
>no peculiar or interesting characters like, Yukie, Jack, Goldmen, Mandarin, Mr. Ox, Lu Fang or Larry, because no one is allowed to be happy in world of darkness, everyone must be depressed and sad all the time
>shitty gameplay even compared to the Bloodlines
>licensed whiny SSRI music
>shitty RPG mechanics
>ranged weapons are going to be shit and boring, no rocket launchers, no grenade launcher, .50 anti materiel rifles, flamethrowers, WW2 firearms, or western firearms
>melee weapons are going to be shit and boring, no severed limbs, chainsaws, katanas, whips or katars
>no interaction with exotic clans, like True Brujah, Samedi, Baali, or Kiasyd
>no interaction with other splats, like the technocracy, mummy, changelings, werewolves, mages, prometheans, or demons
>the game will be sanitized for modern audiences
B2 is going to be shit.
>Steam cheevo pops during the Contact video
Huh.
There was that video from their shill Outstar were she showed her steam profile with something like a couple of dozen hours on VTMB2.
That was before that whole cancelation drama, so it was hardsuit "working" game build.
Damn I hope that shit will be leaked one day like StarCraft shooter or something. I would love to see that junk myself.
It jarring how bad the facial animations.
Hot damn this looks FUCKING awful. WoD games are never ever on the cutting edge of graphics or anything but this is genuinely very early 2010s character models and environments at BEST. I can't believe Paradox let this project limp on like this for so long. Bobby K would have fed these queers to the woodchipper *years* sooner.
There were only two clips as far as I know, both are archived on the wayback machine, pure video links are
https://web.archive.org/web/2oe_/http://wayback-fakeurl.archive.org/yt/img/7wJAcfyMc0g
https://web.archive.org/web/2oe_/http://wayback-fakeurl.archive.org/yt/img/Q-PSujRJi-A
Good job. I could have sworn there was a third, tiny clip. But anyway, the part I do regret was not being able to scrape all the environment art screenshots.
Can't help with that, looked up the guy's actual website where he posted this stuff and it wasn't archived during that period it seems.
I did manage to grab three screenshots, but they're just from the underground, nothing special.
>quest compass
I don't like how plasticy and artificial it looks. Everything is too clean.
It's all very low detail
the duality of man
i agree that the graphics look plasticy and everything is generally too clean, but i was enjoying the guy swinging his hammer more
this looks fun as fuck. but is it going to be entirely different now that it's being made by other people?
>this looks fun as fuck.
It has interesting ideas, but the combat is complete dogshit. And it has a very disjointed vibe that is still present in the 2020 trailer footage. I think the game simply never came together properly. The story was a point of contention between Paradox and Hardsuit.
It will be fascinating to see how much of this stuff is cannibalized for the new version.
There was a post way back around the time of TCR taking over where someone posted about how the files Paradox was getting from Hardsuit were all completely disconnected like they did every random level first as vertical slices, and there were no working central hubs. I was inclined to believe it because it was just technical shit rather than “here’s how Mitsoda personally killed the game with his leather gloves”
They definitely had a bunch of hubs build, but I suspect the hubs were just half finished test maps. The E3 2019 footage looks so empty and unfinished. An empty map with poorly animated NPCs walking around does not a good hub make.
Paradox could also be code for "the few White Wolf old guard who still work for Paradox," who have been put in charge of the World of Darkness IP.
as a vtmb fan i dont really care if the combat is mediocre
What the fuck was that random slowmo when he started going through the window
Genuinely looks jankier than og Bloodlines
It reminds me of Postal 4, in a bad way.
Mitsoda personally pitched for THIS??
I'm happy he got fired this is fucking garbage
>game takes place during a snowstorm
Bury the whole city in snow, I need more games set in winter time.
imagine just chilling in your heaven while it's snowing outside
What game? Looks comfy.
its chinese room's bloodlines 2
hopefully the next VTMB
kek had the same reaction doesn't look like a scary vampire game in the slightest
I have yet to find another game as comfy as The Division. Yeah the gameplay sucks but the environments were amazing.
The gameplay was pretty ok; Gears of War+Diablo worked surprisingly well. But the first game was rough as fuck... The sequel fixed the bad stuff (stats, bullet sponginess, builds etc.) in the expansion and was/is as good as that type of game can be.
But it still lacked anything even resembling the atmosphere and ambience the first game had...
i'm playing the original game for the first time and wow what an experience this is.
wait
is it over?
is this game doomed?
No we're back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX_kez_xwJs&ab_channel=MyBeardIsGrowing
The game has been rebooted by a new studio and they are very confident in their Q4 2024 release window. It's not going to be the Bloodlines 2 you necessarily expected, but based on the trailer and based on the interviews with the dev team it will probably be a pretty good game that knows its limitations and doesn't go full retard scope-wise.
what's 'the scope' then? i don't expect a vampire "life" sim, that would be too good to be real and not something video game devs can pull off with all the technology in the world these days. all i want is a couple hub worlds, tons of side quests, and interesting people to talk to that doesn't somehow refer to 21st century american sociopolitical movements or ideologies in the writing. they're vampires, they don't fucking care about that shit. is all of that too much scope?
>21st century american sociopolitical movements or ideologies in the writing. they're vampires, they don't fucking care about that shit
I could imagine our elder being dumbstruck about this shit and it would be a funny moment but instead he won't give two shits while talking to they/them.
we're so fucking back
i need to watch these new trailers
Every Unreal game looks exactly the same and has the same shitty non-animations.
is it going to be an unreal engine game....
Yes. Everything uses UE nowdays.
nyooooooo it's so overrrrrr
Hardsuit were a team in Seattle making a game set in Seattle. The Chinese Room are a team in Brighton making a game where they imagine what Seattle must be like.
Good, they can use their imagination to make something a lot more compelling than the dreary reality.
>making a game where they imagine what Seattle must be like.
honestly i prefer that, it feels more fitting for a wod game to have a kind of fictionalized exaggerated version of a city than a local's view of it
slight max payne vibes
fixed
I like the look of these. Not as striking as the original but better than most.
honestly what they need is a shithole filter
the chinese room aren't chinese devs? and here i thought we would get a good game without pozz
Chinks are even worse at writing than western devs.
Pozz is government and corporate policy but it isn't fascist don't get it twisted mmkay
Nah
Chinese devs are for Mage game with Xianxia inspiration
>Chinese devs are for Mage game with Xianxia inspiration
Ugh, just give Chinese deva old KotE license, they will do a good job with that.
I'd rather the chinks take their own stab at chinese spooky rather than have to work the hot garbage that is KotE.
chinks can’t write
Imagine the smell of a Tzimisce den.
So are there only the same clans as in 1?
Perhaps or maybe less.
We don't really know. The Hardsuit version didn't have playable Gangrel or Nosferatu, presumably saving at least the latter for a dlc. The Chinese Room version of the game is more influenced by V5 than the Hardsuit one, and in V5, the Gangrel and Brujah are no longer members of the Camarilla, and the Assamites and Lasombra have joined the Camarilla.
>in V5, the Gangrel and Brujah are no longer members of the Camarilla, and the Assamites and Lasombra have joined the Camarilla.
Irrelevant when you're playing a recently awoken elder.
If I remember the word was the 2020 version was going to have the VTMB clans minus Nosferatu and Malkavian. I believe Malk was hinted as going to be DLC like the scumbags modern vidya devs are especially Paradox.
I think Malk was supposed to be available at launch since Hardsuit released a Clan video for them before getting pulled off the project
Who else wants Gangrel and Nosferatu to be playable? ;_;
i wish gangrel would be playable but it looks like they are dlc, if they stayed with the same preorder plans
I would much rather have even less ordinary clans, getting rid of either ventrue or toreador wouldn't be that big of a deal since they occupy the same niche.
Brujah is already there for punk hobo vibes and malk is for freaks.
Give as ex sabbat elder from lasombra or tzimisce for really different experience.
what are the requirements for saving Jeanette and Therese again? Isn't it just 4 persuation, be polite to Therese and don't give Jeanette the amulet?
Use seduction lines with jeanette but don't give her the amulet, be professional with therese and give her the amulet. Have high persuasion and pick the correct lines.
do you know how many points into seduction you need?
Dunno check the wiki, I always played toreador so I always had high seduction and never had to worry about checking.
It's 2 apparently so I'm good. Thanks anon.
are any of the clans in alliances? how does this all work
Ventrue-Tremere are only example that springs to mind maybe Salubri-Assamites during baali wars in the absolute dawn of history.
It's always us vs them with vampires.
Technically ventrue, toreador and tremere forming Camarilla could be called an alliance, same with lasombra and tzimisce for Sabbat.
back in roman empire days ventrue toreador and some malks were kinda allied in running the empire from the vampire side of it, now its mostly the camarila ones (ventrue and i guess toreador) with tremere
Toreador, Ventrue and Tzimisce were allied in Constantinople (three methuselahs no less) sad that dream fell apart but was may be.
The OG alliance is Ventrue-Toreador, but as another anon said in another thread the Ventrue are starting to prefer the company of the Tremere over the Toreador, which is making the Toreador approach the new Camarilla Lasombra.
I think I would like a mechanic that you need to get blood cleaned up after fighting, otherwise, if someone sees you it`s a masquerade violation.
If anything, NPC should call a police. How being covered in blood is a masquerade violation?
Sucking blood out of NPC is another story tho.
It could potentially be since government/civilians might look into it and discover something more.
The same way a nosferatu walking around is a masquerade violation. There's nothing criminal per se, but it's creepy if its not Halloween night. I like the idea of this
also, the more masquerade vialotion the more vapire hunters should be on your back? I dunno
That's how VTMB already worked, it's just that 99% of players never saw vampire hunters spawn because it's pretty hard to get masquerade violations unless you do it intentionally.
It's 2020s Seattle, blood everywhere/on your person is nothing unusual to passerbys.
as cool as that sounds, i feel it would get quite annoying after a while
Yeah I think it would need to be mission thing aka if you choose the bloody option in luxurious penthouse you might need to figure how to clean yourself before exiting (unless you jump off the roof or some shit)
is the white wolf wiki any good? i want to read up on stuff
yes, good source of condensed info
bros... I'm in love
Same.
>tfw you see her blowing some random guy behind the church bar
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Always give her and the chick in the black dress the succ
Who?
>same model as the ocean hotel ghost
and?
It's set in 2020 so I hope we get to visit the CHAZ and the retard Brujah anarchs trying to recreate Carthage there.
>2020
oh fuck they are gonna mention COVID arent they
>the Kuei Jin tried to infect western vampires through their food
>camarila have gay blood farm camps in chechnya
>kuei jin have a world spread virus
what do werewolves contribute to fuck with humans?
School shootings
Werewolves don't fuck with humans they just fuck humans
Furries
>there are people that unironically want the old storyline of being a thinblood and diablerizing your way towards vampirehood
Isn't diablery a huge fucking deal that usually end up in blood hunts?
Yes. Diablerie is gay af
Yeah
I feel like being a Caitiff would've been a good middle ground tho
V5 changed the rules to make the game about how important thinbloods are, and about sadness.
>V5 changing things
I'm not too familiar with the thinblood changes, what did they retcon? From what I recall thinbloods were barely vampires and generally suck
They killed and retcon a bunch of concepts because they hated how some players were playing their game.
>Sabbat and every elder vampire magically disappeared from the world
>Tremere got nuked by the CIA, now there are two sects of Tremere
>The whole world united against vampires
>Camarilla started offering diablerize as a reward for thinbloods
Its a shitshow
Most of the v20 shit was done to simplify the game and make it more like VTR. And there were always multiple sects of Tremere.
but I thought they went back on VTR and made it more complicated because it was too streamlined and soulless
I meant v5. And yes that's what they did, then they immediately followed that up by incorporating a bunch of design elements from VTR into VTM.
saulot is just in progress of discarding another clan after making use of it.
>shit changes
How in the fuck is it any better when they pretty much nuked half of the setting?
>CIA nuking Tremere
So the Masquerade doesn't exist anymore? Are the two sects of Tremere just Antitribu?
>Camarilla offering diablery
Why the fuck did they start doing that? Weren't they the faction that's anti diablerie?
>Are the two sects of Tremere just Antitribu?
IIRC from the screenshots, one of the sect ruled by a self titled feminist tremere vampire, believes herself to be the rightful leader of the pyramid, not sure about the other one.
>So the Masquerade doesn't exist anymore?
There are multiple countries and organization working alongside each other to hunt down vampires around the world, because the nosferatu triggered something related to 9/11 on the CIA honeypot network.
>Weren't they the faction that's anti diablerie?
White Wolf is retarded.
>White Wolf is retarded
New White Wolf. It's not the same people that did previous editions. In fact 90% of the devs for WoD5 are from the same Swedish LARP group.
Not him but
>nuked half of the setting
Not really.
>So the Masquerade doesn't exist anymore?
It is. It's just that now CIA and subsidiaries posses limited amount of information on vampires but are well aware they exist and so formed Second Inquisition to hunt them.
If they had full knowledge then Masquerade would be over.
>diablery
Camarilla was always anti diablery as a way to protect elders as it exists as whole to protect and serve elders.
You could always get away with diablery in some cases. Not sure about them offering diablery for thinbloods as a reward, iirc Camarilla decided to eradicate thinbloods because of SI.
SI?
>CIA
It's not the CIA tho, it's multiple intelligence agencies worldwide + the vatican + spec ops groups from multiple countries
It would be silly to repeat the same character as the first game.
Does the Unofficial Patch already come with the game?
Don't remember
in gog version
I cannot fucking hit anything with these gangrel claws
KWAB
>he fell for furry meme
Get ready to also be staggered by literally any, even empty handed attacks.
I always play unarmed so I'm used to the stagger I just don't like how the claws swing. Always seem to hit nothing and leave me open. At least I have fortitude.
why she got freckles?
>all these people talking about being a thinblood and diablerizing an elder like it's an easy thing
IIRC isn't it hard as fuck to diablerize vamps from a higher gen let alone an elder? Also wouldn't your soul get taken over or something? Happened to Saulot and Tremere
if a thinblood diablerize a like a 12th gen, they will probably be fine, excluding the fact anyone who can see auras would kill them
diablerizing an elder? nah you fucked for good
I just can't imagine any situation where a thinblood could diablerize an elder without getting bodyjacked. Hell it's just weird seeing how diablerize just seem to as a super common thing when it's a huge deal.
>hard as fuck to diablerize
Yup, it's close to impossible depending on the elder generation, only 1 step removed kindred has a slight chance of diablerie.
>Also wouldn't your soul get taken over or something?
Yes if the diablerie fails even a just a bit, IIRC from the books you need shit ton of success in order to diablerize without facing the elder soul inside you and it's harder since the elder in question is far more powerful than you are.
A full perfect diablerie means the soul was completely eradicated out of existence so nothing remains to haunt the perpetrator.
very insightful actually
Holy shit almost nonone likes Toreadors lmao
jealousy is a disease get well soon xoxo
>Brujah comment on Ravnos
LMFAO
>caring about clan stuff
you need to go back
Touch my shit and rip out your fucking heart, Eurotrash
Based Brujah
Where do you even pirate Night Road and the other text based WoD games? They seem very low demand.
dauphong on piratebay
thank you
i wish i could play as Lasombra in vtmb2, i want to be a catholic edgy ventrue with shadow powers and no reflection
what is Vampire: The Masquerade – Redemption?
i have only ever heard of bloodline
Shitty 3rd person diablo wannabe with a surprisingly good story.
it's a mediocre game with an interesting story
just watch the walkthroughs on youtube or something
Fucking love Christof
I played redemption years ago but as the time passes I grow to appreciate it more and more
Kind of strange how people are starting to get into it when it was almost never brought up decades ago
>Kind of strange how people are starting to get into it when it was almost never brought up decades ago
walkthroughs on youtube
does anyone have a screen of the end of the game where Christof gives that big victory speech TELL THEM CHRISTOF something something
should I just ignore protean and focus on melee weapons if I want to go melee
Nah proteanmaxx
>melee
Might as wel go play brujah instead.
but I already did I don't want to play the same clan twice
Why play melee gangrel if they literally have unarmed focused discipline?
Well I wanted to play unarmed but the protean power sucks my ass. I still want to play gangrel though because I haven't played it before. And I hate guns to that leaves melee.
Just power through it. I don't know I was able to do fine at 5dot protean. The only thing that was annoying was stagger.
If you are categorically about to ditch it then go into animalism as it gives ranged attacks.
I'll keep trying with protean then. It seemed like a good combo with fortitude I'm just having trouble with hitting stuff. I'll try to get used to it.
I've bought Werewolf: Earthblood.
It's not that bad.
>Christof said no to this
what was his malfunction?
cute nun
she was so painfully into him its not even funny
The Toreador chick was even more into him. And yet he still was only fixated on the nun.
>all the women in the game keep thirsting for Christof and aren't even subtle about it
>his response to that is MUH ANEZKA
that man has the will of steel
Even Etrius makes fun of his autism.
didn't Christof burn down his chantry after that?
it's all fun and games until you piss off Christof
Yeah. Etrius us actually baffled because he was convinced this was some grand power play by the elder vampires against the Tremere, but no, it's just one random dude that doesn't even know what Tremere are, being autistic about some nun.
I like how Christof's autism and sheer faith are so powerful they basically warp reality and leave regular vampires baffled as to what just happened.
they dont make men like this anymore
yeah
it's great to have an idealized character like him in the cynical modern times
even after everything that happened to him, he kept his faith in God and love for Anezka (unless you purposefully chose to be a dick) to the point he even managed to make his mentor Wilhelm, a Sabbat vampire, start believing in Jesus
autism
because... MY MAN CHRISTOF WAS A REAL bro WHO NEVER GAVE INTO THE VAMPmoron CURSE!!! HE STAYED A TRUE MAN OF GOD UNSHAKABLY TIED TO HIS HUMANITY AND NEVER GAVE IN FUCKING gay AS VAMPIRES!!!!
He already had a girl he was in love with.
i don't care about v5 lore that much but her surviving redemption and the giovanni purge and resurfacing in modern nights just like my headcanon did warm my heart a bit
>Nosferatu: uggos
>Toreador: arthoes
>Tremere: asshole wizards
>Ventrue: giga-chads
>Brujah: commies
>Gangrel: schizos
>Tzimisce: evil retards
>Lasombra: giga-brads
>Ravnos: hobos
>Banu Haqim: hypocrites
>Malkavian: literal schizos
>Hecata: necromancers
>Salubri: druids
>Caitiff: poors
>Followers of Set: cultists
Which way, Gankerros?
Tremere of course
I wouldnt call salubri druids but I take it. Take me to the forest.
Assamite without Isl*** shit.
Hunters gonna hunt
Have anyone played this?
yeah
it's disappointing
The ending felt rushed, but it was pretty cool nonetheless. The atmosphere was good, and that's literally all that matters. It even referenced Redemption which means that somebody who worked on it gave a fuck
What are the "main" patches for Bloodlines, at this point? I know the community has started to splinter, so Wesp's patch isn't the only one, but I don't know how many exist or what there names are.
Use gog version and don't bother.
the only other patch that could possible be considered a "main" patch is true patch gold and calling it a main patch is being extremely generous.
https://www.nexusmods.com/vampirebloodlines/mods/197
Don't know if it's good. Just played bloodlines a few days ago with UP. If I get an itch for replaying in the future I'll try it out. So i'ts up to you
>Don't know if it's good.
Started playing with it today. Haven't left Santa Monica yet but it's going well. No bugs yet
That's great to hear. Then I'll put it on my to-do list. Thank you for your respone kindred anon
handsome art style
wish i had a goth gf that would talk to me all day about vtm (i don't know anything)
what makes people so sure an antediluvian would even start genociding motherfuckers the minute it woke up
They usually wake up uber thirsty
generally vampires come out of torpor hungry, now imagine being hungry for thousands of years
Something about them not being able to be satiated with a bit of human blood anymore. After all that time they'd need to drain tons of other vampires to stop being hungry. It's essentially a frenzy but from one of the most powerful vampires you'll ever see.
even if we ignore what
said which is true one waking would cause others to wake and eventually you get the real bad ones and eventually they will start fighting apocalyptic war as their interest clash.
Lasombra and The Eldest (Tzimisce) were giga assholes, so the Sabbat is willing to assume they're all like that. Zappy (also an asshole) murdered most of his own clan when he woke up so more reinforcement there.
Arikel the Toreador Antediluvian doesn't do much but sleep and hold orgies on Crete. The secret issue is even a single Antediluvian can be an existential threat.
IIRC even just methuselahs can start being scary to other vampires. Over time they morph into something that's to a vampire what a vampire is to a human. And antediluvians are an even more extreme version of that.
So which Antediluvian is confirmed to be in Torpor and which is awake?
Honestly it depends on the Ante. Gangrel? They're in the earth eating entire cities
The eldest? Too busy in their 500IQ keikaku while being sludge in the sewers of new york
Salurbi? Too busy going Edmond Dantes on fucking EVERYONE who's ever dared to screw with him.
Toreador Ante is busy hanging around greece last I checked
Ravnos? tricked the entire world and is probably doing crazy shit while they're 'dead'
Nossie Ante is too busy killing his own clan to give a shit about anyone else
I forget about the rest.
>an awakened elder at odds with the voice in their head
Uh guys
Will we get an off hand mention of the fledgling in the sequel
maybe
they have to call it bloodlines for a reason
If independent is the canon ending, what would the canon clan be? I'm guessing Brujah or Toreador
dunno why everyone drools over independent ending, i think fledgling being a ventrue and opening it after killing lacroix fits better
Lone Wolf it is a dumb ending once you realize you are the unwitting pawn to the Anarchs even in that scenario.
The canon ending according to V5 is naturally the Anarch ending, because Anarchwank. Or the Anarch ending with the elements of Lone Wolf, aka you do all the dirty work deposing a prince for Nines and then fuck off like a cuck, while he takes over LA instead.
It's simple. All you will get is some flavor text that there was some poor retard in the middle of LA shit show couple years ago and nothing else.
I like the idea of the canon ending being a malkavian that everyone ended up ignoring because they're a broken mess.
Canon ending should be Malk, Independent, Opened It.
For maximum funny.
when am i going to get turned into a vampire and then staked in the middle of my sleep
I want to play VTMB for the first time, but I'm a bit unsure about the different patches. What are the differences between the unofficial patch and true patch gold? I thought about getting the GOG version and then the unofficial patch, but should I do something else?
just get the gog version it comes patched
It comes with the unofficial patch or some other?
it comes with 9.something unofficial patch
the kueijin don't exist
>it comes with 9.something unofficial patch
The one on moddb is 11.4., is it fine to just get that on top of the GoG version? I assume it just overrides what it needs to.
you can finish the game perfectly start to finish with the gog patch just play it
Maybe get unpatched version if you plan to patch it?
There's no point in newer patch as bugs were fixed long ago, author is dicking around.
>There's no point in newer patch as bugs were fixed long ago, author is dicking around.
I didn't know that, thanks. It's just that when you see that something like a patch has a newer version available it feels like you should get that one by default, so I was wondering.
->
Will the girls in 2 measure up to the original?
my wife already looks so cute 🙂
does she have retarded tattoo or is that the mark in the trailer.
>three vertical lines
It's certainly not the mark shown at the end. The black of the symbol on her neck is too stark, compared to the soft shadows, so I doubt it's a shadow being cast by something else in the room. Probably a tattoo.
Ugly chink
rude
we don't know
TKD
Total Keui-jin Death
Are all asian vampires Keui-jin?
Kuei-Jin aren't vampires, so no.
No, Keui-jin and Kindred are two different species entirely.
There are mentions of some unlucky bitch from japan that got embraced by 1 tremere randomly. Also there's a powerful I think tzimisce in Tokyo.
Kuei-jin are not vampires. If you embraced a moron, you'll get a vampire moron.
>Skelter says it's bullshit that the Camarilla can decide to kill you for breaking a rule
>in the same breath he then asks me to kill someone for the Masquerade he seconds ago told me he didn't care about
Anarchs are fucking stupid
Yes, yes they are.
If anyone wants the full lexicon
Were Therese and Jeanette originally two separate people and one of them adopted the other's personality after they got turned or was it always just a schizo girl
Always crazy, even before embrace.
Schizo girl. Sexual abuse victims often flip between wanting to be pure and clean like Therese and trying to find a way to let the trauma make them feel good instead of hurt like Jeanette.
A schizo. From their conversation you can more or less piece together the history, Therese was the original and her dad fucked her as a kid. She developed the Jeanette persona as a way to cope, a horny girl that's very much into sex. Eventually he probably killed her dad when he tried to have sex with her and she hadn't switched to Jeanette. Some time after that she got embraced by a malk which sent her mental illness into overdrive and created two completely separate people in her mind.
I take everything Therese/Jeannette says about her past with a slab of salt, there is a chance she invented everything in her mind to cope with her mental illness.
explain??
Probably commissioned by Therese after she was already grown up.
the weird art style suggests to me it's supposed to be a "real" photo and not a painting
it always seemed to me more like there were actually two and the other went insane when one of them died somehow
that's not really consistent with things in the game that are explicitly photos. plus she already has a connection to the art world.
Maybe it's actually a picture of her Sire and not her father, Therese sees herself as a twin children.
when do you get Heather? is it after the boat?
Yea, she'll be standing outside of Lacroixs tower
I need a hot vampire lady to manipulate the shit out of me
Guys what if the voice in our head is an Antedeluvian or Lillith or something?
Could be your original personality and you have amnesia, like the nameless one or Harry
IIRC the eventual explanation for malk hidden knowledge was that the subconscious of all malks is connected, if one knows something they all know it on some subconscious level.
If the speculationaons were right about HSL's story, and I'm right about TCR not throwing out as much as they claim, it could very well be Lilith.
Given the Beckoning in V5 lore, "Antediluvian" is the most obvious answer, though, a little like how "diablerie" was the obvious answer to the "clan selection" system for HSL's version.
Lilith makes the most sense since she's gen 2 and you wouldn't need to account for clan stuff so I'm gonna bet on that if the voice is female.
>Lilith
>gen 2
Anon.....
HSL always insisted that they "didn't want to spoil" how you would select clan, so I always took that to mean you use a special snowflake, "unique" method of powering up, with Lilith being the woman in the green dress and directly intervening. Yeah, if the voice is player-listenable (as opposed to an informed plot element) and is specifically female, I'll take that as a sign it's the woman in green's script from HSL being ported into TCR.
isn't lilith gen 2? i thought she was embraced by cain or something. i'm not super informed on the lore. sorry.
Lilith was Adam's first wife and a kind of mentor/lover to Cain in the lore. I don't think she was ever embraced though
No, if anything she embraced Caine. Lilith was already running around doing weird spooky shit when Caine found her, and Caine was just a dude who couldn't die when they met. She took him in since the dude was practically starving to death.
Caine eventually wanted powers like hers, and so she did some weird ritual and fed him some of her blood. Caine was then visited by 3 Archangels who told him to repent now and he would be forgiven, his soul going to heaven. He told them to fuck off each time, and each time he was given a curse. Sunlight, Fire, feeding on blood. He immediately learned the physical disciplines and Lilith taught him Dominate, Presence, and Auspex.
They broke up because Caine stopped having sex with her because he was DBZ powerleveling.
Ohhhh so basically she's super magic and doesn't have vampire weaknesses but has vampiric powers. That's cool as shit.
Probably. Lilith is a huge question mark. Mage claims she was an ancient proto super Mage, there's a Gehenna scenario all about her where she's got her own template which is basically Vampire+ and the players can become that if they side with her. Some lore says her powers came from Lucifer teaching her magic.
My favorite Lilith lore is her personal curse. Caine has to watch his descendants murder each other the way he murdered his brother. Lilith, who never gave any love, will never be loved by anyone. Even her worshippers can't truly love her, they just want her power.
She's more of an immortal super mage. Adam was a retard and she did nothing wrong btw
time to die bahari!
>basically she's super magic
She was one of the first exiled by God due to the rebellion
She is more of a Demon than a human tho.
Caine's curse is just God's curse upon him and his "children" for the murder of his brother and refusal to submit but the use of vitae as "fuel" for magic was taught by Lillith according to the lore
I hope there isn't a big bad, and the story is just about a bunch of vampires fucking each other over.
I would be shocked if there's no third act reveal of at least one ultra jyhad power player. Bloodlines had fucking Caine himself.
The Caine "reveal" is vague and only happens with a Malkavian character. We only know the writers intended for him to be Caine because of game files.
sex with Samantha
someone post the picture of Lou from behind
>ridiculous hips
>no ability to give birth
There is no greater curse
>killed all salubri elders capable of turning her into human/revenant
you reap what you sow
I'll find a way
>Really like the idea of loss of fertility/virility as an aspect of the curse on par with sunlight/no eating food/frenzy.
>Find the idea of vampires going to extremes to regain fertility (something that offers them no advantage in the jyhad) and possibly even succeeding to be equally fascinating.
>Terrified people will think I've just got a pregnancy fetish.
Do you have a pregnancy fetish?
No, not really. It doesn't get me hot and bothered but having children is something very important to many people on a fundemental level, so having it removed from them against their will can always create a powerful emotional story.
You're posting anonymously, fellow pregchad. You don't need to use such guarded language. You could have just said
>Terrified people will know I've got a pregnancy fetish
Jesus christ the voice acting for the cops on the dane is awful. Did the patch add this? I don't remember there being this many cops either.
The cop you talk to when you first board the Dane was always in the game, if that's the one you're talking about.
man that skimbibble terlit shits getting weird.
I WILL REACH GOLCONDA
I WILL MAKE PACTS WILL DEMONS
I WILL MASTER ALL PATHS OF THAMATURGY
AND I WILL DO ALL THIS TO GET LOU PREGNANT
I wonder how the elder thing is going to be handled. Have we been asleep for 30 years and have to acclimate to the difference between the 90s and the 2020s, or have we been asleep for a few hundred years have and have to through a much more severe culture shocks into a completely alien world
probably the latter so both the character and the (new) player are shocked in their own way
Except the player would be familiar with the world but no the supernatural aspects, while the character would be familiar with the supernatural goings on but not the modern world.
Predict the licensed soundtrack
Why did Lou steal Lilith's veil?
god ordered the world so that toreador have more sex appeal
Praise be the almighty
Because the woman-in-green character was probably cut, but aspects of her script and plot relevance have probably been kept, with at least some of it being merged with Lou "Former Prince of Seattle" Grand(e).
This setting is a untapped goldmine
Paradox should borrow the rights to HBO or something to a new tv show
Lou saved Bloodlines 2
Truly they found the key.
if a certain show didnt make vampires lame in the mainstream's eyes...