If it only took 7 people to kill Sin, one of them armed with a blitzball, why wasn't it done before?
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If it only took 7 people to kill Sin, one of them armed with a blitzball, why wasn't it done before?
If it only took 7 people to kill Sin, one of them armed with a blitzball, why wasn't it done before?
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No one else had a main character in their group.
They had to get inside Sin to kill Yu Yeven at its core, and they were only able to get close enough to Sin to do that because they had an airship (rare, forbidden technology) and they temporarily pacified it by singing the hymn (which only would have worked on Jecht-Sin and the party only knew would work from happening upon a few pieces of info and having Tidus in the party). Even if other prior heroes in Spira were hypothetically strong enough to do it once they got inside, like most JRPG parties the main characters were special in being the right people at the right places at the right times to gather all the info and tools needed to actually do it.
TLDR: in the absence of Tidus' existence, the Church of Yevon is correct on how to deal with the problem.
The Church was cope and Tidus & co. are a cure. Cure beats cope any day, but cope is better than nothing.
>cure
I regret to inform you that the novels are still canon. Sin's already back. Yuna's calm was SHORTER than any other, and possibly made it so Sin can never be defeated or deferred.
Meanwhile, Mika's plan wasn't elegant but it worked.
>the novels are still canon
No they are not and neither is X-2
Turns out yevon were right about forbidden machina all along, that if people dont use it and only use peaceful machina, yu yevon doesnt feel threatened and just chills in the ocean just autisticly summoning and leaving everyone alone. The al bhed genocide was justified. Sin kept the peace. Look how gay everything is in ffx2 now sin is gone.
The problem is Yevon's problem not only doesn't solve the problem, it doesn't even really work as a short-term solution. Do you know how long the Calm is on average? Less than a year. And Sin has only been "beaten" 5 times before.
Also, Yuna is a weirdo for having so many meatshields willing to die for her.
Do you think that Wakka couldn't kill a b***h with a Blitzball?
Best watch yourself when you're sleeping b.
>japshit
Not rpg
Sin stood still long enough for them to get inside thanks to the hymn.
Your mom likes my blitzball.
took a bit more than brute strength most would have just tried attacking sin from the outside
>why wasn't it done before
did you miss the part where the summoners job is about killing sin and then letting it possess a new body?
they didn't have The Protagonist, obviously
next thread
Did you know there are only four calms (excluding Yuna's) in the approximately thousand years of FFX's history between Sin's summoning and defeat?
Forty years of peace, nine hundred and sixty of Sin. Do you get why people went along with the Church now?
>Forty years of peace, nine hundred and sixty of Sin.
A calm is not a decade, it's a few months. Braska's calm is noted for being an exceptionally long one (because Jecht was holding back Yu Yevon's influence) and it wasn't even a year.
Shit, you're right. I was confusing the "it was ten years since Sin was defeated last" with the duration of the Calm. That makes the argument even more valid. The one thing I don't get is why the Fayth never tried to fill the summoners in on the score.
I'd imagine that telling summoners the deal early would have either two effects. 1. They go 'but maybe it will actually work this time though' like Braska did and continue in spite of it. Or 2. They give up on the pilgrimage because what's the point? And if they try to tell people about it, Yevon shuts them down one way or the other.
So there's really no point.
>Forty years of peace, nine hundred and sixty of Sin. Do you get why people went along with the Church now?
No, as a matter of fact it makes even less sense. All this self-flaggelation and sacrifice and it bought them those scant few years of peace? The Al Bhed had it right; find a permanent solution.
You really think that no one else tried just killing Sin? The Al-Bhed are incapable of solving the problem because they refuse to acknowledge that pyreflies are relevant to the issue.
And Yevon are incapable of solving the problem because they settled for a half-measure they used to establish a hegemony.
There is no "full measure." Sin can not be destroyed permanently, period. The novels are canon.
>why wasn't it done before?
Maybe pay attention to the game next time.
It had been done before, by many people, even teams of two. But to kill Sin permanently you had to kill Yu Yevon inside Sin, and realise you have to do it without the Final Aeon. Nobody questioned the teachings of Yevon and just believed you had to defeat Sin by going on the pilgramage and using the Final Aeon, it took an outsider like Tidus to make a summoner like Yuna to question those beliefs and find an alternative way that didn't need the summoner dying and a guarding becoming the next Sin
The thing is no one outside of the fayth and the maesters even know that Yu Yevon exists.
A story written by Westaboos about an outsider who comes in, questions a society's traditions, convinces people to go against them and causes widespread social reforms. Makes you think, huh?
Even if not for Tidus, the ghost of Jyscal would've still blown Yevon's corruption wide open.
I forget its name, but the PC version has a trainer that can buff enemy stats which can make a huge difference due to how strength works in the game.
I'm fairly certain I read that the fayth statues predated the yevon temples.
yeah they do
yu yevon exists purely to keep the dream alive
Yes but they weren't used for anything other than preserving dream zanarkand back then
I think it's implied that the summoning art was lost with Zanarkand. Bevelle was essentially white/black mages I think.
There is a 600 year gap between Yunalesca (from Zanarkand) and Gandof (who also sealed the Cactuars in stone on the thunder plains)
I imagine Gandof was more of a priest / exorcist until by chance he came across Yunalesca and rediscovered the Final Summoning technique.
Although the official timeline suggests otherwise. It's something of a plot hole if you ask me. The Yevonites claim their teaching came from Yunalesca who got them from her father. After all, she was the only one to defeat sin up to that point. But how that hand-off worked is suspicious.
Before Gandof, there were a number of other methods to defeat Sin. Including Lord Mi'han and the traitor "Omega". Omega is interesting because the Yevon Temples have no credibility at this point in time.
Reading between the lines, it seems the Temples know how and why Sin returned the first time. So they "removed" viable threats to Sin and their racketeering scheme.
There's a lot to speculate about. There's probably more written on the scenarios from earlier drafts in development than the final version.
The story pitch wasn't originally for a game, but for a series called "Seventeen". Which had a disease killing people on their 17th birthday.
Yuna would go around "curing" people, kind of like Lunafreya in FFXV. Only she'd learn that the people she worked for was the source of the disease in the first place.
>Bevelle was essentially white/black mages I think.
No, Bevelle was specifically a city that fought with machina in the ancient war.
More specifically it was magiteck. And, if you consider the novella canon, they bio-engineered the Al Bhed as a magicless slave race.
>And, if you consider the novella canon
I do not. But it would explain their spiral eyes.
Before "Yevon", Spira had a pantheon of gods. It was customary for a summoners to assume the name of one of these gods. Keeping their real identity a secret so that nobody can beckon and control their spirit after they die.
We see in FFX that unsent summoners, like Belgemine, can still summon aeons. At the end of the novella, Sin returns. Based on the new ground work that the novella created, there is implied to be some kind of necromancer resurrecting the dead. Any of the new-age summoners are vulnerable.
There's an air of taoist sorcerey behind it. Which means FFX-3 will never be published because it will likely contain Chinese criticism. Manipulating the memory of the dead to steer Socialism. Engineering inequity as a propelling dynamo.
>You shoot down Sin
Does fricking nothing, its just going to regenerate
>Shoot down sin and pursue
Okay, you are now face to face with the summon that was strong enough to bring down the previous Sin
>Fight highjacked summon
Surely that is going to go well?
>Stop summoning and defeat summon juiced to hell and back by Yu Yevon
You did bring somebody along to Send it right? Because otherwise Yu Yevon is going to regenerate, because he is juiced as hell on Fayth which he anchors. There is a reason why they let him steal all the summons
Its essentially a more complex logistic problem.
A big enough gun still requires logistics and a technological base
Sin rampages all over anything that isn't mud hut tier in logistics
The Al Bhed tried by digging up old tech, but they lack the means to create more
>Its essentially a more complex logistic problem.
And the fact that you know, even 99% of summoners don't know that Yu Yevon is a thing. Our team only knows because Maechen tells us.
Sinh'd Jetch has advantage of using yevon song as a bait and Yuna/Tidus had the help of the alpheb.
you guys made me start another playthrough
Are there any good difficulty mods for these games
There are some lacklustre 'challenge' runs, but that's it.