If you killed even one NSF "terrorist" you totally missed the point.

If you killed even one NSF "terrorist" you totally missed the point.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah, the game beats you over the head about it all the time
    also killing the men in black (and all glowies by extension) is a moral obligation

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Same with the MJ12 troopers, I always kill them.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i killed everyone because i'm not a pussy

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like you totally missed your shots.

      Killing the NSF for the first two missions is kino role playing though

      you are the real terrosists

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah that's the point. JC starts out as a proud spook but comes to the realization that he was the bad guy. It makes perfect narrative sense to kill the NSF early game

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nah, you're supposed to be a bloodthirsty brainwashed retard until you realize what's going on.

          Your brother tells you something at the bginning of the mission, go replay it rn

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah it's a clue as to what's really going on but JC would have no reason to act on it unless he were a psychic

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              low social iq

              Yeah, so, and? He tells you something, and your everyone else your entire life has been telling you the opposite. You were bred and trained to be a supersoldier.

              >trusting the gov more than your own brother

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Again, JC was literally brainwashed into being a compliant supersoldier, except they also included actual integrity in that brainwashing, so the evidence of corruption from his bosses was enough to make him turn on them.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >low social iq
                No, just being MKUltra'd for your entire life. Being a nano-auged killing machine for the first couple of missions is canon

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                JC was a clone with implanted memories, he never actually grew up with Paul

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not true, no. JC is a clone of Paul, but he grew up "normally"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then what's up with the cloning tank area in Area 51?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Gotta clone em somewhere. Also that's Alex Denton.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Remember that JC grew up with a rebellious streak. Implanted memories would never include that part of his personality

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, so, and? He tells you something, and your everyone else your entire life has been telling you the opposite. You were bred and trained to be a supersoldier.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            All he says is "we're cops, not soldiers. We're supposed to avoid unnecessary casualties". Killing people is not your job and is a supposed to be an overreach of your authority. Sure, the REAL reason he's saying it is because he's a mole for the NSF, but he's still not wrong.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The thing is, the game makes it very clear that the US Government are not the bad guys, rather that a bad group has infiltrated and taken over the system and defeating MJ12 will make the system the way it's supposed to be again. Deus Ex takes a very clear stance of "systems and organizations aren't bad, they can just be co-opted by bad people". General Carter isn't just optimistic, he's supposed to be right.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Deus Ex doesn't take a clear stance on anything, deliberately. The institutions/governments not being intrinsically bad doesn't absolve them of guilt when they are co-opted to do bad things; that's the basic thrust of guys like Tong and NSF leaders.

            Even though Manderlay can't really be trusted for speaking in good faith, he's talking about the standard belief of liberal democracy, the idea that if the people are simply educated on a subject, then there's no way they can disagree with you because you're working on the same information. Which you know, ignores that different political parties with different conclusions from the same information have always existed, but it acknowledges that it's somewhat self-contradictory.

            I think he's referring to Deus Ex coining the term "Meme War" in 2000

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I was just talking about the general sentiment in that news bulletin there.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The institutions/governments not being intrinsically bad doesn't absolve them of guilt when they are co-opted to do bad things; that's the basic thrust of guys like Tong and NSF leaders.
              It doesn't but it goes back to the old left/new left divide of the civil rights movement. The old left, which was MLK, believed in change through Reform. The new left (which if you want to know where crazy leftists today get their ideas from, it's these guys) through Stokely Carmichael belived in change through Revolution. General Carter is clearly in the reform camp, he believes if the system has gone bad then it's your obligation to remove the poison and repaie the system. Tong instead wants to burn it down.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ironic considering Carter dedicated his life to a military state with all the bombs but no sovereignty, whereas Tong built a thriving black market economy and preferred to handle conflicts non-violently via trade.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The way the story describes it, sovereignty was actually a thing when the Illuminati were running things because they believed in guiding humanity, not controlling them. Making sure we don't accidentally stray into our own destruction. Page doesn't care about any of that, he just wants power for himself. So back when Carter was a general, the US did actually stand for something. It might not be something you generally agree with but it was something.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The way the story describes it, sovereignty was actually a thing when the Illuminati were running things because they believed in guiding humanity, not controlling them.
                If you take Morgan Everett at his word

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                At his house sure, but in the Illuminati ending he has no reason to lie or bullshit you because JC is a member of the Illuminati now too, Morgan is telling you why they do what they do, the game makes it very clear they genuinely have a paternalistic view towards humanity to protect us from ourselves.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They do under him because the dude is the closest thing the modern era has to Plato's Philosopher-King, being a scientist/philosopher/artist/businessman/great thrower of parties. The game implies that DeBeers wasn't much better than Page, he just ran the group instead of trying to destroy it.

                How was sovereignty a thing if the Illuminati was still controlling public policy, all the way up to assassinating the Kennedys?

                Wasn't JFK unironically going to start a nuclear war in the DX timeline?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Wasn't JFK unironically going to start a nuclear war in the DX timeline?
                Don't remember that part, but Kennedys plural implies RFK (and possibly JFK Jr as well).

                Gotta clone em somewhere. Also that's Alex Denton.

                No there's an empty tank as well with your name on it; remember that the "The second unit will be operational in six months" line plays during a slow pan of that tank, with a person inside of it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No there's an empty tank as well with your name on it
                Yeah, you were cloned from Paul. Paul has memories of JC from all his life, so you'll have to argue that he has implanted memories as well (which there is no evidence for)
                >remember that the "The second unit will be operational in six months" line plays during a slow pan of that tank, with a person inside of it.
                That's Alex Denton. He's vat grown to maturity. As someone who never played IW for very long, does Alex have implanted memories?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah, you were cloned from Paul. Paul has memories of JC from all his life, so you'll have to argue that he has implanted memories as well (which there is no evidence for)
                If they can implant memories into one adult why not both, especially when they are clones? It's easy for Paul as the experienced one to find proof of JC's being a clone and having false memories. What's not so easy is his own self-discovery, especially when his own brother doesn't remember his parents. If you keep talking to Paul at the very first encounter on Liberty Island you can see that Paul is trying to challenge your memories from the start, with JC and Paul disagreeing on the clothing and personalities of their father.

                No the problem with the Tong ending is it's such a hilariously "temporary" solution. Sure you blew up the internet...but all the companies that made the internet are still around. Sure it'll take a couple years but they'll build an Internet 2, and now it'll be even more centralized and controlled than the current one is because they get to make it from scratch instead of having to build everything on top of the generally decentralized system that it is.

                Jefferson called for regular watering of the tree of liberty. Lenin called for permanent revolution. The absence of a one-press fix button does not negate the value of constant opposition to tyranny.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Jefferson called for regular watering of the tree of liberty.
                Jefferson wasn't exactly a man known for consistently. He's both the man who man the largest land purchase in US history without congressional approval and thus he didn't have the authority to do...and at the same time he also completely defunded the US military which means Madison was completely underprepared for the War of 1812 when it happened.
                >Lenin called for permanent revolution.
                Lenin was also a crazy person

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >He's both the man who man the largest land purchase in US history without congressional approval and thus he didn't have the authority to do...and at the same time he also completely defunded the US military which means Madison was completely underprepared for the War of 1812 when it happened.
                This is meme history and false on both fronts. Even Hamilton who despised Jefferson acknowledged that the US president making the land purchase as part of a treaty with France was kosher and that those against it were Congressional radicals. Jefferson also expanded the US navy which is how we had such quick success during the Barbary Wars; some like to nitpick Jefferson's particular selection of vessels and argue that he should have gone for larger ones (Teddy Roosevelt liked to captain hindsight that despite being a man whose only military achievement was taking a gatling gun and mowing down far-outmoded Spaniards).
                >Lenin was also a crazy person
                He actually began pushing for market reform measures before his death, he was a bit crazy but far from Mao-tier.

                >If you keep talking to Paul at the very first encounter on Liberty Island you can see that Paul is trying to challenge your memories from the start, with JC and Paul disagreeing on the clothing and personalities of their father.
                How is that an indication of implanted memories? If Paul knows, why does he never tell JC? And why would they explicitly give JC memories of being so rebellious that it was noteworthy?

                Paul and JC only meet in a professional context a few times in what is presumably approximately a 6 hour period. They're being watched constantly, especially Paul who has been on thin ice for fucking up in Hong Kong. There was no way for Paul to simply redpill JC fresh off the boat. And he does tell JC about their murky history and the nature of their parents at the first possible chance, post-defection.

                Also, I think the Deus Ex Bible has details regarding Paul And JC's life

                It's worth noting that the datacube saying JC was born in 2029 specially refers to it as an assigned birth date, not an actual birth date.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I feel like if the memories were implanted, then someone would've told you by the end of the game. JC is not the sort of person who would fall to pieces at that revelation

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >He's both the man who man the largest land purchase in US history without congressional approval and thus he didn't have the authority to do
                The federal government isn't constrained by any laws or the constitution when engaging in foreign affairs. Essentially, all this is saying is that Congress didn't want him to do it, which isn't necessarily relevant

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The federal government isn't constrained by any laws or the constitution when engaging in foreign affairs.
                The president is supposed to be required to have congressional approval in regards to anything that requires using the national budget because congress controls the country's pursestrings.

                China is MJ12 controlled in DX at that time

                No I mean the actual chinese internet irl, behind the Great Firewall.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The president is supposed to be required to have congressional approval in regards to anything that requires using the national budget
                The president basically steps in as king of america when engaging in international affairs, meaning he often doesn't need congressional approval

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No that's in a state of emergency, which congress has to declare and give him the authority

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No the president is the one who gets to make any and all declarations. Except a declaration of war, that one's on congress

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, its just in general. The ability of the English king to act as an avatar or stand-in for the total populace when conducting foreign relations was inherited by the office of the president after the revolution

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If you keep talking to Paul at the very first encounter on Liberty Island you can see that Paul is trying to challenge your memories from the start, with JC and Paul disagreeing on the clothing and personalities of their father.
                How is that an indication of implanted memories? If Paul knows, why does he never tell JC? And why would they explicitly give JC memories of being so rebellious that it was noteworthy?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Also, I think the Deus Ex Bible has details regarding Paul And JC's life

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >As someone who never played IW for very long, does Alex have implanted memories?
                No, you grew up with your parents in Chicago.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >does Alex have implanted memories?
                I think to some extent, I recall logs in the Seattle apartment with secret scientist spies referring to him at the very least being mindwiped at some point, and it relates to Billie in some way as well. But I haven't played in ages

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can listen to Nixon in the Watergate tapes and he'll sound caring and paternalistic too even with the cameras off, but the problem is that father DOESN'T always know best. The Illuminati are strongly implied to have been in control of most European affairs since at least Adam Weishaupt, if not the medieval era of the Templars, and although it is strongly suggested that the Nazis opposed them during the Cathedral level, most other European turbulence almost certainly has the Illuminati pulling levers to their advantage.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Morgan Everett was interested in 20th/21st century capitalism, basically the exact system we have now, and using that system as the foundation for a 'benevolent conspiracy' to work from the shadows and guide humanity towards the future
                It's not an ideal ending but none of the endings in Deus Ex are, IMO it's the best place to start in working towards a better future
                Sublimating yourself into helios and effectively becoming a god is the only other reasonable alternative, but then you run into the question of whether or not humanity deserves the right to self govern, in the illuminati ending they at least have some autonomy, and while Helios has no reason to lie to you about their intentions, they also have no reason to be truthful
                Tongs ending is fucking stupid and would regress society back to feudalism

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Tongs ending is fucking stupid and would regress society back to feudalism
                Tong's ending is literally the most anti-feudal of the three

                Remember that JC grew up with a rebellious streak. Implanted memories would never include that part of his personality

                Don't see that as any kind of evidence, especially since the mind game can be played both ways. Paul was the true son and the calm collected loyalist, yet he rebelled on his own. For all we know they tried some reverse psychology on JC and gave him a mindset of having outgrown his rebellious teenage years.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Tong's ending is literally the most anti-feudal of the three
                Tong literally wanted to destroy the entire global communication network and plunge humanity into a dark age so that city states would rise and the individual would gain power
                This would not work at all

                No the problem with the Tong ending is it's such a hilariously "temporary" solution. Sure you blew up the internet...but all the companies that made the internet are still around. Sure it'll take a couple years but they'll build an Internet 2, and now it'll be even more centralized and controlled than the current one is because they get to make it from scratch instead of having to build everything on top of the generally decentralized system that it is.

                I think feudalism would be the most likely outcome, but it could just as easily lead to a massive corporatocracy
                Keep in mind though, Aquinas is more than just the internet. It's basically every global system centralized into one point.
                With the illuminati and MJ12 both pretty fucked up by the end of the game, the worlds most powerful corporations have nothing since their sphere of influence would have just shrunk rapidly.
                Aquinas getting destroyed would break down communications, but more importantly, logistics. Millions, likely billions would die from the lack of food and water, and the breakdown of law would lead to a sharp, sharp rise in looting. The grey death would also be widespread, as there wouldn't be an effective way to get ambrosia out to the populace Rural communities may be unaffected, until the mass migration from inner cities starts spilling over, and suddenly those communities can't host those refugees.
                I don't think the corporations would be able to easily rebuild after that, this isn't like cyberpunks's time of the red, this is even worse

                tongs ending isn't just batshit insane, it's also insanely beneficial for the environment completely genocidal

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Tong literally wanted to destroy the entire global communication network and plunge humanity into a dark age so that city states would rise and the individual would gain power
                People, or at least preppers like Tong, would still possess their own computers and ability to create new networks quickly.

                >but they'll build an Internet 2
                Easier said than done. I think you seriously underestimate how catastrophic an affect such a thing would have on the world. Remember, the world's internet at that point was essentially a fully-fledged internet of things

                It would be trivially easy. Data hoarders become the new gold mine owners, but unlike gold, data can be quickly mined, transferred, and equallized through society.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Data hoarders become the new gold mine owners
                Gold mine owners without tools, mine carts or even tunnels.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Did you play the game? Even Smuggler, some uber-paranoid ancap cryptologist black market dude living in an abandoned underground parking garage in Hell's Kitchen, has his own private network and access to backdoors that avoid government/MJ12 snooping. Bigger guys like Tracer Tong are well-positioned to become new Napoleons, philosopher-engineer-warlords. The hydroelectric dams, oil rigs, solar panels, etc that power the systems would presumably still be mostly functional as well. While destroying the network hub would almost certainly devastate some vulnerable/unprepared people in the short run, there's no real evidence that it would cause an end to civilization.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >there's no real evidence that it would cause an end to civilization
                Never said it would. All I was implying was that it would be catastrophic enough to cause a significant upset to the balance(s) of power. It is no guarantee that an equally centralised Internet 2 would pop up in a couple of years—besides it being practically unlikely for the reasons already stated, history simply doesn't work that way.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >would still possess their own computers and ability to create new networks quickly.
                through what, Ipv4? by the time of Deus Ex, Echelon, followed by Aquinas completely replaced it. You would literally have to rebuild the entire protocol from the ground up for things to function.

                You say that but didn't the Chinese build their own separate internet, it just connects to the one everyone else uses?

                we're talking about deus ex, not real life

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >through what, Ipv4? by the time of Deus Ex, Echelon, followed by Aquinas completely replaced it. You would literally have to rebuild the entire protocol from the ground up for things to function.
                You don't think Tong and others already have their own protocols ready to roll out?
                >we're talking about deus ex, not real life
                We're talking about to-may-to, not to-mah-to

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No the problem with the Tong ending is it's such a hilariously "temporary" solution. Sure you blew up the internet...but all the companies that made the internet are still around. Sure it'll take a couple years but they'll build an Internet 2, and now it'll be even more centralized and controlled than the current one is because they get to make it from scratch instead of having to build everything on top of the generally decentralized system that it is.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but they'll build an Internet 2
                Easier said than done. I think you seriously underestimate how catastrophic an affect such a thing would have on the world. Remember, the world's internet at that point was essentially a fully-fledged internet of things

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You say that but didn't the Chinese build their own separate internet, it just connects to the one everyone else uses?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                China is MJ12 controlled in DX at that time

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not really. The MJ12 own/operate international pharmaceutical companies within China and they can use Chinese ships to smuggle goods, but it's generally stated in the game that the Premier is still independent of western financial power, and the Illuminati don't really have any major Chinese figures in control (in contrast to the multiple American and French figures).

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Keep in mind that the guy we're using as a source for that, is the 90s equivalent of a wumao because all he's spewing is CCP talking points.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not just him; the logs of the Chinese captain on the superfreighter strongly implies his daughter is being held hostage and that he's an uneasy tool of the MJ12. Maggie Chow is of course MJ12, but she's also more or less a top-dollar whore that fucked her way cinema up to the triad leaders and Bob Page. While it can be assumed she has some influence whether direct or indirect over the CCP, she's far from being the Premier. By contrast, the White House in its entirety was basically being held hostage in that cut-at-the-last-minute mission, and the game explains numerous times how most elected presidents are members of the Trilateral Commission and beholden to more powerful international influences, which would include the Illuminati and all that Templar gold.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Deus Ex Bible says China is under complete MJ12 control

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Deus Ex Bible
                Not canon
                srsly though there are some things in it that don't really make sense/aren't explicitly mentioned in the actual game, and there are also parts deliberately withheld because of Invisible War's development (implying retconning was underway while writing it). For example, the part on China...
                >Essentially untouched by world events, China has emerged as a world leader, supplanting the United States and Europe as centers of education and industry.
                >However, China has been under the control of Majestic 12 for decades -- the communist experiment in that country represented the Illuminati's first genuinely successful experiment in centralized government; Majestic 12 simply continued business-as-usual when they ousted the Illuminati's council of five. (China is a welcome change from the less successful experiment in Russia and Eastern Europe. Now, with its centralized government, huge population and near monopoly on advanced human augmentation technology, it is the model of what the world will become under secret society rule.)
                There is no "Council of Five" in the Deus Ex script, it's a Council of Twelve. Additionally, it doesn't really make sense how the MJ12 simply took over China. China is a massive command state and to control it means controlling those who give the commands. So somehow Bob Page is directly giving orders to the top Chinese leadership after he cuts out the old Illuminati power out, and nothing is affected? The writing/reasoning of the Deus Ex Bible isn't clear.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Deus Ex Bible
                >Not canon

                Yeah I mean there is some RETARDED shit too, like Mexico actively being in the process of winning a war against the US and capturing cities in Texas. Like come the fuck on.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Mexico
                Russo-Mexican Alliance*

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The contents of the actual Bible vary from church denomination to church and it took centuries for even those different canons to be settled.

                >Not canon
                It's canon, at least the broad strokes. The game we got was incomplete

                It's the canon according to Harvey Smith as he was rewriting the story to fit Deus Ex Invisible War, which was in turn used as the basis for further retcons like the aforementioned Council of Five (which is referenced in the non-canon Eidos Montreal sequels). I'll always take the actual writing in-game over the Deus Ex Bible.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It contains information that was confirmed to have existed during the development of DX1.

                https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/250533-deus-ex/faqs/51057
                Find where "of 5"/"of five" etc is mentioned even once.

                By that standard Mount Weather, the moon base etc. aren't canon either, which is false

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It contains information that was confirmed to have existed during the development of DX1.
                What does that prove? Cut content also existed during the development, doesn't make it the eminent canon. It can be used as a secondary source to some extent but where it contradicts the game, I put the game first. The idea that Harvey Smith giving an hour long interview two years after the game's release in the middle of massive retcon created with a sequel in mind is just as canon as the game itself is absurd. It'd be like taking a transcription of a prophet's speech of a book from memory to overrule the written copies of the book itself.
                >By that standard Mount Weather, the moon base etc. aren't canon either, which is false
                The moon base is run by an AI named Adam that assassinates most/all of MJ12 in the last stretch of the game and has to be either consoled or destroyed to prevent it from nuking earth. It's not canon to the actual game.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It proves that it should be accepted as canon in its broad strokes, which was exactly my original claim.
                >It'd be like taking a transcription of a prophet's speech of a book from memory to overrule the written copies of the book itself.
                And what you're doing is acting like the believer who only accepts the direct word of God, failing to recognize that all His words are immanently mediated.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Not canon
                It's canon, at least the broad strokes. The game we got was incomplete

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There is no "Council of Five" in the Deus Ex script, it's a Council of Twelve.
                You're mixing up the Illuminati and MJ12. Illuminati = Council of 5, MJ12 = Council of 12

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/250533-deus-ex/faqs/51057
                Find where "of 5"/"of five" etc is mentioned even once.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How was sovereignty a thing if the Illuminati was still controlling public policy, all the way up to assassinating the Kennedys?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not going to stand here and listen to you badmouth the greatest democracy the world has ever known.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How does a little boy get mixed up with the NSF?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he hasn't heard the dialog when you kill 100% of terrorists on the first map
        paul is not pleased

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like you totally missed your shots.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Killing the NSF for the first two missions is kino role playing though

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They all would have died either way, executed in the MJ12 prison

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm giving you ten seconds to take that back before I add you to the NSF casualties list

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Man this movie sucked

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Name a single better movie. Not even going to defend that film but you stink like a liar.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not him but Last Action Hero. Both are top 5 material tho along with Rumble in the Bronx, The Arrival, and Falling Down

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hotkinkyjo alien belly burster

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          its literally just THX1138 but worse, so I'll name that one.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          One Piece: RED

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >tread softly

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The real reason why Batman doesn't use guns.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >just step back once
        Holy shit how hard could it be

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          *just steps forward once*
          Any other great plans?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That would just make both of them more vulnerable

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Holy shit. It's a live action version of that scene in that RE movie

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nah, you're supposed to be a bloodthirsty brainwashed retard until you realize what's going on.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    but I'm not opposed to depopulation as long as I'm not the one being depopulated

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Alright fellas, it's been years, we've had good threads with Deus Ex, even the new games.

    But the thing is, you know, we're never ever getting a game like it again, yeah? It's just never going to happen.

    What I'm trying to say is - lets stop making these threads, alright? I promise I won't if you promise you won't. My soul just shatters and I feel physical pain every time I'm reminded that there will never be a game like this ever again, it fucking hurts man and I don't think my crumbling psyche can take it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      someone will probably make a cool deus ex type game soon. tom hall and warren specter were in their late 30s when they made this shit, so the people who played this game in their formative years are just now reaching the age where they could potentially compete. the zoomers also love deus ex

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        instead of making new deus ex game I am going to live deus ex (take down glowmorons and save humanity)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          jc denton... in da fresh....

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            garden gnome Cutter Denton

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you will not be alone

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >someone will probably make a cool deus ex type game soon.
        I'm surprised they haven't already. Of all the genres and games that have been shamelessly ripped off in the indie scene, I'm surprised we don't have a knockoff Deus Ex indie immersive sim game yet.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm waiting on Peripeteia, though it's not quite the same. The demo's great.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Haven't played it but I think that's what Neon Struct was going for

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Deus ex has pretty janky and annoying mechanics but the reason why it all works is because the level design is so fucking spectacular that it knocks literally anything else out of the water
      no game will ever come close to deus ex until they can figure out the secret behind it's level design, which hasn't been done and we've regressed in this as more games become boring open world titles instead of well crafted imsims

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So can't I join Majestic 12?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah you can join Majestic 12, in a body bag.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was a planned ending but the devs ran out of time

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah you can join Majestic 12, in a body bag.

      It was a planned ending but the devs ran out of time

      majestic 1488

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. It's one of the endings in the next Adam Jensen game

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The next game is probably Adam being the cause for destroying the Illuminati and being unaware that he’s been a clone helping Bob Page usurp them until it’s too late (probably because he’s still a cuck to his old gf or dumb brainwashing since the original Adam is dead). Sucks that Pages voice actor is dead. I would love to see the nsf appear too but that’s unlikely.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I used to want a stay-with-UNATCO route until I thought about it and realized there was no way to have it make narrative sense. It's just going to be a story about being a bad guy from beginning to end with no character arc.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Here's how they could have done a UNATCO/MJ12 route without requiring too many new assets/maps
        >reject Paul's offer from the get-go before the raid, he escapes with Jock, you fly directly to HQ, skipping the prison section
        >fly to HK helipad via some other pilot, MJ12's are now friendly
        >talk to the Triads, pit one against the other, oust/kill Tracer Tong
        >meet Maggie Chow in her apartment, she gets a little flirty just before Jock snipes her from his nearby apartment
        >discover Alex and Jaime had betrayed the organization, escaping with some unknown kind of help
        >track down, interrogate, and capture Dowd in NYC, gaining some new info from his compound (superfreighter mission is skipped and replaced with an exploration mission in the surrounding church area)
        >fly to Paris, clearing the catacombs in reverse, killing Chad and Nicolette together
        >get chateau access from her body, explore it together with Gunther, finally start to break the ice and become buddies
        >tower section is skipped but because you're with MJ12 the streets are now larger and more hub-like, and finding Morgan Everett is your main goal
        >you and Gunther happen upon Jaime who is in a different area from before
        >"Laputan machine"
        >finally get to Everett's place, have him and DeBeers turned over to the troops
        >fly to Vandenberg, where you first learn of Daedalus, and Alex with the help of others have substantially upgraded security, meaning you have to take on a giant robot fleet from the ground level
        >kill everyone inside, Helios merge proceeds, hologram scene includes a now-recovered Paul announcing that he has rerouted a nuke to Area 51
        >Simons is still in the Ocean Lab, you have to confront Paul yourself
        >Tong and Illuminati endings no longer available, but you can 1) kill Paul and support Page, 2) kill Page last-minute and ask for Paul's forgiveness, stating that you were only following orders, or 3) kill both and merge with Helios yourself

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Invisible war has flaws but at least you could choose to play most of the game as either a WTO glowie or Order cultist.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >you could choose to play most of the game as either a WTO glowie or Order cultist
        So Illuminati or Illuminati

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I mean you could also side with the techno-mutants and nuke the world for a store discount. That's the joke answer for the ending but what the ending actually talks about is interesting.
          You can also complete JC's plugging in to the matrix

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you got a single fact to back that up?

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why has no one done that ai thing with dues ex screenshots? deus ex would look so cool in a 90's sci fi movie aesthetic

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why wont you

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        idk how

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      probably because your IQ has to be higher than 70 to enjoy Deus Ex

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I tried playing this but it was too painfully lolbertarian.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's not lolbertarian, retard. it's an accurate depiction of the way power works. there's four options at any given point in time: destroy civilization (tracer tong), replace the old power structure with a new, worse one (bob page), keep the old shitty power structures in place (morgan everett), or gain power and use it for the benefit of all mankind (helios). A strong central authority working in the best interests of the people is not lolbertarian at all.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So is pic related an unreliable narrator thing or what?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Different anon here. What is that from, the manual? I haven't see it before. It's pretty well-written.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >only ~~*lolbert*~~ von mises objectivist gays think that the US government is capable of engaging in tyranny
          based retard

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >inferring
            I'm implying that only a lolbertarian would believe that the government would use FEMA to spread tyranny instead of, for instance, Guatemalan death squads, or Operation Gladio shit.
            >"your Friends in Government"
            This shit reads like a mid-00s political forum. You're either too young or too dumb to get the difference.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >he thinks that the shit our government has done overseas isn't going to happen / hasn't happened here
              lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You keep misrepresenting me.
                I'm saying there are multiple ways to hate "the Government." You seem to think there is exactly one.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                chapo check. you sound like a smug little gay. probably gnomish. die.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Were you asleep during 2020? “Public health” is exactly how they’ll do it, this isn’t the 1930s anymore dumbass

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I'm implying that only a lolbertarian would believe that the government would use FEMA to spread tyranny

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think he's implying, that your escape will be insufficient, european.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I can't even imagine having IQ this low. Joe Greene is a literal Fed who writes libertarian disinfo.

          Different anon here. What is that from, the manual? I haven't see it before. It's pretty well-written.

          It's from a newspaper that came with the big-box version of the Deus Ex GOTY Edition.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >libertarian disinfo
            what does this even mean? libertarians are a joke and have no power.
            speak in plain English instead of assuming that I can parse schizoidese.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Joe Greene is a self-proclaimed libertarian who associates with libertarians and mixes true conspiracy (e.g. government surveillance systems) with false/exaggerated conspiracy (little green men). He's a member of the conspiracy and writes the Midnight Sun as a tabloid to marginalize legitimate conspiracy theorists via well-poisoning. That's revealed during the final trip to NYC, about 2/3rds through the game. Taking him at face value proves you never even beat the game, let alone were capable of understanding it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, I didn't read the byline of the screenshot, my bad.
                Good to know that it is in fact an unreliable narrator-type of diagetic writing.

                I openly admitted that I hadn't beaten the game,
                here.

                I tried playing this but it was too painfully lolbertarian.

                I got 3 levels in IIRC.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah you're right in the middle of the red portion here

                I can't even imagine having IQ this low. Joe Greene is a literal Fed who writes libertarian disinfo.
                [...]
                It's from a newspaper that came with the big-box version of the Deus Ex GOTY Edition.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                heh-heh

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, it's pretty obviously libertarian, just the kind that recognizes the inescapability of the state

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          lolbertarian isn't the same as libertarian. lolbertarian is a specific strain of braindead American Libertarian Party gayry.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well it definitely wasn't that. You probably just got confused by the black comedy the game layers on the narrative

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Well it definitely wasn't that.
              Okay cool we so agree that the game is not lolbertarian.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah it's libertarian

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Never said it wasn't.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >keep the old shitty power structures in place (morgan everett)
        I don't know, weren't the Illuminati doing a decent job before Page's internal coup?

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're JC Denton, if somebody gets in your way they fuck around and find out. I do mostly peaceful runs but dude, if you're really going to enjoy the game and play it like a detective, as a think it's intended to be. Fuck that guy at that moment, shit happens.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A deus ex Ganker thread, in da fresh!

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I killed every single person who shot me

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if they saw you, you suck

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Crouching makes you slow.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Once you have the dragon tooth sword it's way easier than people think to just sweep the entire game. This was an obvious concept back in like, 2003.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A perfectly reasonable man like what the fuck.
      Me getting my non-lethals ready.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that this game was speaking out against globohomo and trannies

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      how did they know?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Even though Manderlay can't really be trusted for speaking in good faith, he's talking about the standard belief of liberal democracy, the idea that if the people are simply educated on a subject, then there's no way they can disagree with you because you're working on the same information. Which you know, ignores that different political parties with different conclusions from the same information have always existed, but it acknowledges that it's somewhat self-contradictory.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Number 1. that's terror.
    Number 2. that's terror.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think the best thing to come from Deus Ex threads is zoomers arguing about shit like how payphones worked.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What if I know what's up with the NSF but I still kill them anyway because it's efficient? I'm here to stop a global conspiracy, ~100 deaths is nothing. Also my goal is to reduce suffering, not maximize longevity, and I always kill swiftly and mercifully.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If I wasn't supposed to kill them, why give me a GEP gun?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      robots aren't people

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I thought that the game was conservative, since conservatives believe in conspiracies

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. Because the elite are against right-wingers they label their theories conspiracies

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      leftists love conspiracy theories that's why the msm feeds it to them on a daily basis

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not really partisan at all but everyone can read it to support their point of view. The NSF originally started their revolution over gun legislation but find allies among the Silhouette (clearly based on the marxist Situationists) and so on.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Silhouette (clearly based on the marxist Situationists)
        Libertarian Marxists though. Today the lines are very thick, but in most of the 19th and some parts of the 20th centuries it was common that all libertarians had a sort of big-tent opposition to the state power of the day. See the Locofocos and guys like Lysander Spooner who were early and passionate laissez-faire advocates who nonetheless made friends with labor unionists and early socialists as well. But then the government invented New Deal corporatism which united big labor, big business, and big government against small business and libertarianism became almost exclusively a right-wing identity (aside from the rare civic libertarian type).

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >tracing ""libertarianism"" back to the 19th century
          what is this revisionist gobbledemoron?
          Are you David Boas? Do you think Lincoln was a libertarian?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In what world do you live where libertarianism as a concept did not exist in the 19th century?
            >Are you David Boas?
            Who?
            >Do you think Lincoln was a libertarian?
            I don't know any other leader that won a war by privatizing so much land and industrial power, so yeah he certainly had his moments even if the protectionism and occasional free speech violation ran counter.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >became almost exclusively a right-wing identity
          I agree with you, but would like to add that the trend began long before the New Deal, the inflection point obviously being 1789. It's no accident that right-libertarians find themselves bedfellows with classical conservatives and proponents of private law society.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Member the time the left wing believed the president was a russian spy?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just mention the CIA and watch leftists go off about how they're responsible for everything. They are to far left what garden gnomes are to the far right, even though the CIA was utterly gutted and made a shadow of its former self in 1967 after the MK Ultra hearings. Admittedly, in the 12 years they actually had the power they claim to, they fucked up a lot of shit in south america, but to use them as the reason for everything now is simply false.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's the British in Afghanistan effect.
        Ask an Afghan about bad thing, they will 50/50 blame the US or the British, and they don't mean the modern British, they mean the Imperial Britain that doesn't even fucking exist any more. Because its a cultural historical lesson passed on the khyber pass that the last time the Afghans really lost to a foreign power and had to properly suffer was to them. Obviously there's a few uh...more recent examples and the UK has a fraction of the power it once had but still you want a boogeyman and there they are to your average goat-fucker.
        To be fair, the CIA really did some goofy cartoon villain shit and by its nature is naturally secretive. Fools, get someone to write a fictional book about a cool CIA agent and suddenly everyone will love you like James Bond. Because British Intelligence never does fucked up shit at all.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >To be fair, the CIA really did some goofy cartoon villain shit and by its nature is naturally secretive.
          No I don't deny that at all, I'm just saying that significantly less dangerous than they used to be.
          >Fools, get someone to write a fictional book about a cool CIA agent and suddenly everyone will love you like James Bond.
          Isn't that just the Bourne movies?

          >even though the CIA was utterly gutted and made a shadow of its former self in 1967 after the MK Ultra hearings
          Imagine believing that when no one was ever criminally charged, let alone convicted, for participation in MK Ultra, and where the government frequently granted itself immunity in civil suits, that the CIA was actually gutted.
          [...]
          Omar was the only good ending, albeit a highly nihilistic one which effectively says "In the long run none of this shit matters except surviving the apocalypse". Templar were conceptually kind of interesting but didn't make much sense considering the original game's history, and were poorly written. WTO ending was horrendous with nothing but an oblique reference to some satellite program. JClios giving everyone halos was gay.

          >Imagine believing that when no one was ever criminally charged, let alone convicted, for participation in MK Ultra, and where the government frequently granted itself immunity in civil suits, that the CIA was actually gutted.
          Gutted in terms of budget. You need money to actually do anything in government.
          >Omar was the only good ending, albeit a highly nihilistic one which effectively says "In the long run none of this shit matters except surviving the apocalypse".
          It says that, but it's important to clarify. It's more that the Omar realizing the end is coming and it can no longer be stopped. Humanity surviving is paramount because if we're gone, literally nothing else matters. Not morality, not ethics, nothing. NONE of that matters if we're all dead. We can figure the other shit when we're still walking after the bombs drop.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            404 gutting not found, looks like they experienced a sizeable downturn due to America gradually leaving various long-term wars in preference of less direct interference before exploding again under Reagan

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >even though the CIA was utterly gutted and made a shadow of its former self in 1967 after the MK Ultra hearings
        Imagine believing that when no one was ever criminally charged, let alone convicted, for participation in MK Ultra, and where the government frequently granted itself immunity in civil suits, that the CIA was actually gutted.

        I mean you could also side with the techno-mutants and nuke the world for a store discount. That's the joke answer for the ending but what the ending actually talks about is interesting.
        You can also complete JC's plugging in to the matrix

        Omar was the only good ending, albeit a highly nihilistic one which effectively says "In the long run none of this shit matters except surviving the apocalypse". Templar were conceptually kind of interesting but didn't make much sense considering the original game's history, and were poorly written. WTO ending was horrendous with nothing but an oblique reference to some satellite program. JClios giving everyone halos was gay.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The CIA is a leftist organisation now

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          more like leftism is a CIA weapon now

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah pretty much

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >prod with the prod for NSF and UNATCO troopers
    >use the GEP gun takedown to silently eliminate glow in the dark MJ12 morons
    ayup, another perfect playthrough

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i kill the nsf who was skinning the dead cat in the molepeople place. i think that's it though

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So is Deus Ex basically a shooter version of Undertale?

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Play as a pacifist the entire game
    >Arrive in P*ris
    >Kill everyone I can
    >Go back to being a pacifist

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NSF "casualties"

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The NSF are terrorists. They want people dead!
    D-d-dead
    Dead!
    Luff luff luff
    Word.
    I don't understand

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The thing is the NSF actually have no real idea what's going on besides their leader and Paul. They're mostly just raging against the machine without actually knowing what the machine is doing that's so bad. Yeah they get that the vaccine (which is less a vaccine in practice and more an antibiotic but that's neither here nor there) but have no idea that the Grey Death isn't even a virus at all, it's just tiny robots that keep multiplying. The conspiracy goes so much deeper than they think and in the end they're little more than annoyances in the grand scheme of things.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >hyup
    >hyup
    >hyup
    Why would I need to kill things that pose absolutely no threat to me?
    >*hyups behind you*
    >*batons your neck*
    >Nothing Transhumanell, normie.
    >hyups to the singularity

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Killing government agents and libertarians fills me with good feelings

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >unless you taze or gas the NSF they will do everything in their power to murder you.
    Nah I'm good.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I killed every one even that kid asking for food

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    From the Deus Ex bible
    >When Paul was 17 and J.C. was 6, it was becoming clear that Paul was a bit too unpredictable and independent for Majestic 12's tastes. Their leaders decided that J.C. should be raised in a more controlled environment, one in which the conspiracy's operatives would have direct involvement in his upbringing. To that end, they arranged to have his parents killed by a terrorist faction under Majestic 12 control. Paul was deemed expendable, and he was scheduled to die in the same attack.

    >To the surprise of the conspirators, Paul not only survived the attack that killed his parents, but also vowed to join UNATCO to avenge his parents' deaths. By this point UNATCO was nearly under the cabal's thumb, so Majestic 12 decided to let him live and work at the anti-terrorist agency, where they could keep a close eye on him. After all, Paul might be useful in the future, perhaps as a guinea pig for J.C.'s eventual nano-augmentation. Though they didn't know it at the time, letting Paul live would be their greatest mistake.

    >J.C., now a ward of the state, was sent to a special Swiss school (actually a front for Majestic 12) where his development could be more carefully controlled. The school tried to instill into J.C. an unquestioning loyalty to his superiors and a willingness to follow orders. Although the conditioning seemed to work, J.C. despised the school's rigid disciplinary style and developed a rebellious attitude that he kept hidden.

    >Paul, who was raised to adulthood by his parents, was flamboyant and happy-go-lucky, while his younger brother J.C. spent most of his childhood in Swiss schools and became serious, bitter and a little paranoid. (Score one for Nurture.)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Shortly before J.C. signed up for UNATCO, Majestic 12 felt they were ready to try nano-augmentation on Paul Denton. UNATCO agents approached Paul, telling him he was a rare candidate for an experimental procedure that would make him stronger and faster -- an augmented human being without the clunky mechanical appendages. Paul had no idea that this offer was the culmination of nearly 25 years of behind-the-scenes experiments and manipulations on his life. He agreed.

      >A few years later, J.C. also became a UNATCO agent, and was offered the same procedure. He also accepted. In both cases, the augmentations were unqualified successes.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I didnt kill it officer it was the robot patrolling the docks

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What a shame.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If it is not on the Nintendo Switch it is not a video game. Wrong board

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I tried doing a non-lethal run on my first playthrough and the game still treated me like I was killing bros

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If they killed even one Federal Agent you're totally invalidated, criminal.

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